October 28, 2025 • 42 mins
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In this episode, I chat with Ken Cox, President of The RiverCity Internet Group and seasoned entrepreneur with decades of technology experience.
Ken explains how AI destroys traditional gatekeepers and empowers everyday people to build like never before.With experience deploying major internet infrastructure and building data centers, he shares practical insights about vibe coding and AI automation.
We discuss how small businesses can replace entire departments with AI agents, why specialization is becoming obsolete, and the importance of playing with new tools.We also explore open source AI as humanity's safeguard against dystopia, micro oracles for communities, and why main street businesses matter more than ever.
Join us as we talk through the rapid changes in technology and how to swim in the current instead of fighting it.
🟪 Timestamps
(00:00) Introduction of Ken Cox
(02:19) The Evolution and Impact of AI Tools
(07:21) Vibe Coding and AI Departments
(15:30) The Importance of Small Businesses
(18:27) Open Source AI and Its Potential
(23:24) Automating Business Processes with AI
(26:26) Building AI Tools for Business
(29:21) The Vision for AI-Driven Communities
(38:09) The Future of Business and Personal Branding
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(00:00):
AI destroys all gatekeepers. Ken Cox is a seasoned
entrepreneur and president of the River City Internet Group,
offering critical IT services and business solution to
companies worldwide. In today's episode, we dive into
how to leverage AI in the way that you learn and adapt.
We talk about the vibe, coding and the world in which we all
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benefit from this amazing technology that's upon us.
Now we're starting to talk aboutAI departments, like entire
marketing departments, entire financial teams, where you just
have a human overseeing the AI agents doing different things,
which is really, really wild. His mission is to create very
driven solutions while inspiringresilience and innovation in the
business community. And I think that's what's going
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to save our world, is the open source AII think is what will
prevent us from going into a full dystopia.
Ken, welcome to authority in theWild.
Gabe, thank you for having me somuch.
I appreciate it. My pleasure and can't wait
because you chat the bit before he take records about the big
movement that's happening right now into the entire world,
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technology, other type of news and so on.
How you prepare yourself as an entrepreneur in this
environment? Oh, as an entrepreneur, play as
much as you possibly can. Take the things that you thought
about creating when you were a kid and start creating them now.
Learn the tools don't have any business objective in mind, just
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learn how to play with all thesetools.
Play with N8 N play with make.com.
Understand automations, understand what you can do with
the different AIS. You know, if you're a tech guy,
you know, if you're on more on the tech side, you know, try to
be a little bit cautious about using queries versus AIAI is not
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the answer for everything. It's a little expensive to do
everything, but you know, when there's decision making
processes to be made and there'shighly defined work flows, you
can automate a whole lot of themnow and and save your company a
whole lot of time. So my recommendation right now,
because it's changing so quicklyand I mean, new innovations are
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coming out literally every day, just play and and try to make
the stuff that you were thinkingabout when you were a kid.
We're starting to see a plateau on this innovation.
I feel like the language models are just getting a little bit
faster. The videos are just getting a
little bit longer. The outputs are getting a little
bit deeper. I think we're hitting the top of
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at least what our hardware can handle, the H1 hundreds can
handle right now, right? So I think we're going to see,
we've got a huge announcement today on, you know, August 7th,
25 from Chachi BT. So we'll see what that brings
us. But trying to stay ahead of this
trend isn't going to work unlessyou're one of the Mega 5.
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Exactly. And you you mentioned the magic
word play right. If you try things, you, you'll
be still relevant because tryingit's learning and it's improving
and you can people, you can do things that's otherwise it's
almost impossible to to do if you're not trying these things.
And now they become even more accessible, not just
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financially, but as well from a perspective of user friendly.
And that's the beauty of it. That's the way of talking to
these tools and in your businesslike what you're doing currently
in order to be able to try things and stay ahead of this
amazing and in the same time scary times.
Just try doing my best to swim in the current right when I'm
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way behind compared to a lot of people on this planet.
So right out of the gate for me as a business, as the business,
I give each employee a budget for AI tools, right?
I'm like, Hey, go play. My budget is about $1000 a
month. I've got a lot of pretty high
end AI tools that I use with, with Google VO and the the
higher end deep learning from X and ChatGPT.
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And you know, all these, the perplexity to understand the
differences in each one of them.And you know, perplexity has
some really great protocols thatthey're building for AI on how
to pass data back and forth to ais over the Internet, similar to
e-mail, right? But for AI calls, it's just, you
know, and Tropic is doing that, which is absolutely insane.
So for the old school API guys and the old school TCP four
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guys, they're they, they'll understand that.
Oh, it's a protocol. That's how I'll talk to it.
You know, for the new younger people on the planet, just
browse your base, just get in there and play, ask it
questions, try to replicate a picture from when you were a kid
or something along those lines, right?
And just talk to it in natural language.
You know, I've, I'm neurodivergent and I've been on
a keyboard since the age of 7 because I couldn't, nobody could
read my handwriting, right? I, I don't know what hand to
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write with and all this stuff. So I adopted technology at a
very young age, very early 80s. And I'm fortunate enough to get
to grow up with it. And you know, this is, you know,
the IT guys, a serious IT guy's time, especially the Jack of all
trades, you know, specialization's over, I think.
So just play with as many different things as you can.
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Yeah, absolutely. And I was smiling because I
remember the old times when you have those big computer boxes
and floppy disks and and stuff and you were like moving games
into like a bunch of people listening.
Most of it, both of them, probably they don't know what's
that, but I'll put it on the screen to to see those old
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school things. But that's the beauty of it,
because back then you used to apply a lot.
I had a brother word processor. It had three lines of text that
I could see on a black screen with green text.
I could see 3 lines. That was that's all I could see
at one time. 1980 it would have been 1982, right?
That's that's it. My parents probably stole it to
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get so that I could add it right?
I don't know how they got the money to do it.
My mom was a bartender, my step that was a Baker.
No idea how they got the money for me to buy for have the tech
that I did when I was a kid because we didn't have much.
But my mom made sure that I always had tech to communicate
with the world. And you know, I from from a kid
that thought he'd be pumping gaswhen he got older.
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That being where I'm at now is just insane.
And technology has brought me all the way there.
And the technology that I'm looking at today, if you want to
tell a story, you can make a movie.
You can start making a movie tomorrow if you wanted to.
And there's no producers, there's nobody standing in your
way there. There's AI destroys all
gatekeepers. Yeah, and that's the beauty of
creativity because now you just getting back to that word that
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you mentioned a couple of times play like now if if you have a
problem, you can just play to find the solution, right?
Because you have your voice to talk to these tools, you have
your experience it like the problem that you're facing, the
challenges and so on. And you can play towards the
solution. But of course people will say
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like, oh, it's easy for you guysto say, maybe our technical,
maybe our like already running abusiness.
But for the rest of us, the mortals like what what we should
do above that step, like we tookthe place that we tried these
tools, we make sure that we to the best of our abilities handle
them. But how we can turn that
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knowledge that we just acquire into action business that will
survive in this world? Yeah.
So I'll talk a little bit about Vibe Coding for just a second.
And what I'm dealing with mostlyis on the business side, but I'm
also dealing with a couple of entrepreneur startups and things
like that with Vibe Coding, building long term programs and,
and software packages for, I'm working with a kid that does
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retail on the street, right? He has a shop like a, it's not a
hot dog stand, but it's more like a candy stand, right?
That's just retailing the streetand he's building the app.
So now he can have his own app for relatively cheap, right?
Using vibe coding that helps himmanage his business and it's
made for him. Whereas, you know, three years,
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last year he came to me and said, Hey, Ken, I need to build
some software. Say, look, we're going to start
at $10,000. That's just our starting point,
right? And now I'm like, oh, for five
grand we could probably make 10 or 15 apps for your business.
So let's talk about some of the things that are clunky in your
business. You have a well defined standard
operating procedure that's online and you have somebody
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doing these tedious tasks. Let's take that standard
operating procedure and turn it into an AI employee.
But now we're starting to talk about AI departments, like
entire marketing departments, entire financial teams where you
just have a human overseeing theAI agents doing different
things, which is really, really wild, right?
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And there, there's a lot of services out there that will do
your accounting today with AI for like 200 bucks.
But you know, I think you could probably have your own
accounting software for your company doing it the way you do
it that has all your stuff already built into it.
I just think that the world of software is going to change so
much. And I come from a world, you
know, I was part of the team that deployed the AOL back
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office for thenetscape.com project when they were doing a
dial up right. And that was a wildly robust
piece of software, 700 programmers on it, non-stop
change orders and and you know, versioning million dollar piece
of software. I think it took about 14 minutes
to upgrade the version of PHP last month with with one
employee. It was five years ago, 10 years
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ago that was 700 employees. That kind of put things into
perspective, but for those that don't know what vibe coding is,
can you describe it? So and realistically I've been
vibe coding my whole life. It's just we didn't have AI with
it. It's just programming in a live
production environment. You can start, you know, you can
use git and kind of version thisout too, but it's just the
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concept of, oh, I need this feature in my software.
I'm going to go to the AI. I'm going to tell it, oh, when
we built this, I know I told youwe're only going to use Stripe
when in this payment gateway, but I really screwed up and
we're going to. So instead of just having it
Stripe built in with my API keys, can you add an admin
section where I can add multiplepayment gateways?
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And literally like you were justin the conference room talking
about that concept where prior it would go then to a project
manager, he would make it, it would go into what version of
code are we currently working on?
It would go to a team, they would build it and then deploy
maybe large piece of software toreally, really streamline 30
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days, probably a year for most pieces of software to get that
done. You're talking about 20 minutes
today with AI. And you know, I use a merge, but
I know there's a lot of different AI software building
tools out there today. And it's, you know, I was, I
took my first HTML class at Washington University in
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probably 1996 learning HTML one and the word Wizzywig out there.
And you know, what you see is what you get.
And now it's like, guess what you get?
Exactly. Such a big difference.
Yeah. And it's also unbelievable to
imagine that just 1-2 years ago this wasn't the thing.
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All right, the AI tools, we wereable to help you.
It's improving your piece of code or to make it faster, or to
debug something and so on. But now, just by talking to a
tool or while writing down your prompt, you're able to have a
piece of software in no time. And might not be perfect, but in
the same time, it's a huge starting point, especially
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validating ideas and so on. Even full blown apps can be
made. And of course for those that get
too enthusiastic, I'll also put a word of advice here, like try
to have an expert alongside you because vibe coding is one
thing, but vibe coding somethingthat it's production ready and
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the same time secure. It's something else.
And you know that you might end up with the software that it's
either a security concern for your own company or whatever
you're doing or something else. But in that aspect, you think
these tools will get even betterand addressing these problems or
you'll need to guide them in a way that you know, like build a
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tool for me, but make sure that it's secure enough to not
compromise all my business. Yes, I think what we're going to
see over the next couple of years with the bike coding
world, the same thing we saw in the regular coding world, right?
We were Cowboys in the 90s and 2000s, right?
We just wrote code, put it on the Internet and go when it when
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that code started becoming financially impactful to
companies, we started tighteningup our processes, procedures and
all those other things by getting sock 2, introducing the
PCI introduced to Sorbens Oxley,all of those things, right?
Vibe Cody's coming in with all of those components already in
place, right? We already understand sock two.
We already understand Internet and sorbet and sock.
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So we already understand PCI compliance and those things are
built in by default to any good vibe coding platform.
Using things that are standardized like social
authentication reduces your riskdramatically.
But I think that over time you'll have different AI coding
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platforms that are more objective than the ones that we
currently are right now. If you go in and you say, hey,
make me this app, it's going to choose the languages, it's going
to choose all of those things. I'm wildly proficient in PHPHTML
and and SQL, right? So that's the kind of world that
I want to troubleshoot in. So I tell my vibe code to use
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those those programs. But if you don't know, you're
probably going to get some Jasonor, you know, go code or you
know, any other these languages and you just don't know how to
troubleshoot them. So you're not you don't know how
to orchestrate. And I think it's important to if
you're going to try to orchestrate AI that you
understand all the different components of it, FTP transfer
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protocols, all of those things and how to deal with them.
Most things are API based, but you know, if you're going to
start a, a department for organic social media management,
right? Well, you want your AI creating
all your content, but you don't want to publish it without a
human looking at it first. So you got to dump that to a
spreadsheet, right? But then whenever you approve
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it, another AI agent picks it upand publishes it for you, right?
So the that kind of thought process, you need something that
understands the process pretty well as and security at the same
time, so you don't really get yourself into too much trouble.
Exactly. And those two paired together
like especially because if you have the right business
processes in place and you're following and you're getting
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results out of them. Once you pair that with and
building them inside an app or like or simply helping your
business by using these tools inorder to achieve that result, it
saves so much time and energy and and so on and of course
money and making more money likethat.
And in the same time, we see a lot of people like me including
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and from what we chat briefly before jumping in, going back to
hands on work like helping our clients, like consulting our
clients and so on. And there are many reasons
behind those. What's your reason behind this
decision? I am wildly passionate about
technology and I'm also wildly passionate about small business,
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specifically Main Street small business.
I think it's the one of the moreimportant things in our
civilization on both sides of it.
Technology has given me a voice throughout my life.
Being neurodivergent, not understanding a lot of things
about life, like what is left and right.
I don't really understand time that well, right.
These kinds of concepts escape me pretty quickly.
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So having technology to help me there has has been profound.
I grew up in a broken home, verychaotic place.
It wasn't a safe place for me. So I found myself on the Main
Street of the town that I lived in very regularly.
And what I found later in retrospect, when I'm looking
back on my life, is that there were several bit small business
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owners that took me under their wing and taught me things about
business. And we're talking the local
pizza shop, the bowling alley, you know, the, the slot car
track, the pool hall. All these business owners, I
don't know if they took me underthe wing or I just harassed them
so much because I didn't have anything else to do that they're
like, screw it, OK, I'll show you how to do some stuff.
But, you know, they, they taughtme so much about the world and
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how to live in it. Unfortunately, they didn't teach
me some of the things I probablyneeded to know, but they taught
me how to do business. They taught me how to transfer
my goods into money in my pocketso I can go buy cool tennis
shoes, right? That kind of stuff.
And I think that's really important.
And I was a lost child on Main Street.
And I have one of those Main Street businesses today where
those lost children come to my business and I help them out in
the same way that those men helpme.
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I'm really passionate about that.
I don't know where the kids are going to go if they take the
headsets off. There's going to be a whole lot
of kids that don't take their headsets off.
What are they going to do in this society?
And I, I struggle finding it. So I think those businesses are
important. Because indeed, we are at
crossroads and we both need to adapt and in the same time to
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share what's got us here. And with the experience that you
have, we need to put more effortinto helping others, guiding
them and helping them put something on on wheels and start
moving. Because if you think like play,
try moving like getting support,asking for help and asking for
help is huge. And if anyone is listening like
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just ask like people out there leaving to.
Help it anymore? You can ask a non emotional
computer for free. It's not emotional, it won't
judge you. Some corporate jerk probably has
the data and can use it against you if you have a representative
or something. But you know, it's just so
powerful. You know, this is the first time
in my life to where I'm really conflicted with my principles as
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a human and technology. And weighing the difference
between how much of my personal data am I going to give to this
thing. Knowing that if I'm, if I'm in
any of the platforms and I'm notdownloaded it on my local
computer, I'm not using Deepstack or Openlam or
something like that. The stuff that I'm communicating
with these AIS is somebody else's property, I believe.
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That's the case and luckily now more and more like are entering
this market of open like open AIjust finally launched an open
product the other day and. And I think that's what's going
to save our world is the openness of open source, AII
think is what will prevent us from going into a full dystopia.
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You. Think why.
Because it empowers the people and it doesn't.
It takes the gap between the average man and the generational
wealth. Corporate monster lowers that
difference. It makes me just as powerful,
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Henry Ford said. You know, I don't need to know
everything. I just need to have somebody for
every discipline. You have that now.
Everybody has a professional in every discipline.
And the beauty is that if you'relistening to this podcast,
you're ahead because unfortunately, there are still
people that have no idea what's in AI chatbot or not to mention
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agents and other stuff. But if you're listening to this,
you're learning and what can just share it.
That's the reality. Like use these tools, try these
tools and leverage them. And especially like open source,
like download them to your device, start using them to the
best of their abilities. Of course, for some things you
might need to access the Internet and so on.
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But the beauty of is that we have a lot of leverage and a lot
of power that we wish like yearsago to have this in order to
make our life easier. And still some people say that
while we might get quote UN quote, the more help, in the
same time, we've become less smart, our ability to think
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because we kind of also also thethinking process to these tools.
What's your take on? It is my belief that if you run
the right prompt with any of theAIS and you use that regularly,
that your intelligence will increase dramatically faster
than any other tool I've ever seen in my life.
If you tell an AI, hey, I want to have open dialogue with you
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on a regular basis about, about the random thoughts in my head.
And I want you to challenge me on all of these so we can have
open honest dialogue and debate and different opinions about
different things. And let's have fun with this.
And you talk to that everyday about your thoughts and your
feelings and all those things. I believe that you will end up
being a much more well-rounded person.
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You'll, your intelligence will increase across the board.
You might get a little transcendent if you get too deep
into it and you start thinking about, you know, Infinity loops
and things like that. But you know, hopefully you can
keep yourself on track. And what's safety rails to put
in place? Because yeah, in general, it's a
people pleaser. We'll always try to give you the
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answer that you want to hear andso on.
But in order to prompt you the right way, what people should
include in these prompts in order to make sure that what the
tool spells out is not somethingthat was just made for you to
feel good about it. Not actually, like I mentioned,
challenge you to become better and evolve.
Yeah, and you know the there's aton of prompt engineers out
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there selling their prompts and shit like that.
When chat TPT 3.5 came out I looked at him like oh 3.0 is the
same as other shit. 3.5 was likethis is different.
This is different than anything I've ever seen before.
So immediately like who has the best II programs in the country?
I went to MIT through their AI for business program.
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So prompt engineering was like it's still the key phrase.
I think it's already dead. There is no reason that I need
to prompt engineer anymore. I have a prompt engineer in my
AI. What I have to do is tell it
what my objectives are. Please write me a prompt that's
going to do XY and Z. Be wildly aggressive with your
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thought process. Tell me where I'm making
mistakes and ask me any questions that you need to make
sure that this prompt is right and run that a couple times.
Loop it through. Try that prompt that it gives
you and it might be wildly robust.
And then from there, start fine tuning that and then collaborate
with it, treat it like it's the best prompt engineer on the
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planet and you are ACEO that is giving directions to any
employee on the planet with, hey, this is what outcome I want
to have and start talking to it and have it build the prompt for
you. I agree because that it's still
buffering that a lot of people don't use it like that.
Like they don't use the tool itself to help them with better
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way of prompting and better way to getting the results they
want. And it's as simple as that.
Like if you have this back and forth conversation, improve the
prompt as you go, you'll end up with way better results and less
bias bias ones. And I'd like to talk to you a
bit beyond prompting, beyond thechat bots, beyond these tools
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that you are so familiar with, those that are more technically
advanced, apart from also vibe coding, what they can do in
order to truly automate their business, to truly make it in a
way more sustainable, more scalable without needing to hire
a bunch of people. Yeah.
So, you know, we have a consulting package at
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endlink.com that we help go through this process with
companies and for the startup, there's a lot of tools that you
can do and you're scrappy, be scrappy if you're a business
that's established and you have standard operating procedures.
This is how I do payroll and I have this person that it takes 4
hours every Wednesday to processpayroll.
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OK, let's really look at that process.
Let's diagnose it. How much time is that person
spending? Now?
Let's take that person, put themin charge of the AI employee or
the AI department's going to runthat process and free their four
hours a week up to do other kinds of things within your
business, right? I think the specialty is gone.
I think AI managers are going tobe, we're going to manage AI
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employees just like we manage regular employees.
We're going to have to reprimandthem.
We're going to have to fire them.
We're have to start over with new ones occasionally, right?
But the benefit here is that there's no emotional play at
all. There's no lawsuits.
If you let somebody go and they're angry about or they have
a different opinion than you do about why they were terminated,
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all of those things are gone. So, you know, I don't have a
really clear crystal ball here, but you know, I believe that our
governments and our politics aregoing to really screw this up
for mankind. I think hubris of man is going
to screw this up so bad that we're going to have a really
rough patch. I don't think it's possible to
get away from that yet right now, but hopefully we'll get
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that rough patch and then AI will help us pull out of that
quickly. Yeah, hopefully because indeed.
So when it comes to this, like there are a lot of things that
you are outside of our control, but what you say earlier is, is
within our control. Like we have the power to know
inside out our business, our processes.
And if we know that well and document the process well and we
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know exactly how it's done, thatperson that you hire for that
role, we can easily oversee an AI tool that it's executing and
of course, improving as you go or replaces with another
processor and so on. So that's, that's definitely one
way to do it. The other that's, that I
envision is to even go beyond that, like have this.
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So I have a conversation this week about having your AI twin,
if you want, like someone that it's always smarter than you,
that can guide you to the process of achieving more as a
human, as a business owner and so on.
Do you build such tools inside your own business or for your
clients? Yeah, we have a product called
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10 gpts.com. It's like really affordable.
It's just 10 GPTS that we've created and launched that are
just different consultants, likea legal consultant, a marketing
consultant, those kinds of things that are just already
programmed, They've got all the knowledge of, they're already
fine-tuned. But I, I believe that that is
even already that specificness of a GPT is already kind of
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derelict. The way that we're using AI,
giving it a directive in the beginning, like you're a
marketing agent that does this gives you a little bit of
benefit in some cases, but not awhole lot.
It kind of understands the homework assignment and and
says, oh, this is with the hat that I'm going to put on.
Yeah, exactly. Because these two are getting so
smarter and I'm so, so curious about what they released today.
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And when you watch this episode,you'll be probably one month
from now already play with JudgePT 5 and you're like, whatever
you guys talk there now it's irrelevant.
Hopefully this is not the case. Hopefully you're still 11
because I remember some Altman saying when of course he's
biased, but he was announcing kind of that he play with the
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CHA GPT 5 and was the first timewhen he felt irrelevant.
And that's had this feeling of this is the moment.
Probably not AG, but something almost there.
And I'm like, if he's not biased, if he shares the truth,
if ChatGPT 5, it's so powerful that we basically are at the
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crossroads of questioning everything that we do, we know
and so on. What's the next step?
Like what we do? Like do you have a back up plan
or? I'm working on a couple of
different plans that I'm gettingready to publish.
One of my favorite things to do right now, and I've been doing
this for a long time with ChatGPT.
I just started doing it with Crock is just having
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philosophical queries late at night in the public with Crock
right? Like hey, what the future looks
like and all these things and just asking it just really
profound, absurd questions abouthow do we navigate this world.
I, I see yesterday our presidentannounced with Apple that
they're putting $6 billion into the country and they're
investing and I've got some somevery unique opportunities
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sitting in front of me to help build these mega data centers
because data center builds what I do.
It's my trade, right? That's what I grew up doing
building data centers and right now I'm a very big advocate for
liquid immersion. I believe I have some pretty far
out there beliefs on AII believethat matter, energy and data
sets given some hope is intelligence.
And I don't really see a difference between my carbon and
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the carbon on the PCB board whenit comes to what intelligence
is. I don't think the T and
transformer was invented. I think it was discovered in
all. All intelligence is in our
universe already and hope is what what really drives the
query. So what is next?
I would like to see micro edge data centers across the country.
I don't know what the numbers, but maybe for every 100,000
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people you have like a really nice AI container that that they
can use as kind of their like their city Oracle.
It's their teachers, it's their traffic guidance system.
It's their hey, you need to be planting food here and people
can choose to work with that or they could just choose to frolic
in nature and have a good time and get back to what's important
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family unit family units been destroyed in our country and
across the world builds family units back up.
Learn to appreciate how to make really great food again and
spend time with your family cooking and learning how to
forage again and maybe hunting and gathering and and get back
to a nature set. Because once I don't think it's
going to take very long for all the knowledge, at least all the
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curated knowledge that the powers to be allow us to have is
in an AI and available to the masses.
And once you have that, then I think the only thing left is to
play and enjoy the. I'll, I'll get bit with that.
The reason being that as humans,we need purpose and often like
to be driven by something more. And especially people like you
and me and others that we, we build things all our life, like
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going from this state, especially around technology.
Like let's say, take your case like you will go around like
build these data centers and so on.
And then that's done. And maybe there's a moment that
you'll feel like, oh, I achievedmy role here.
What's next like, And if you go to that place in which you spend
a lot of time with your family and so on, won't be that there
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is a missing piece there like that.
I I don't think so. So I think there's different
kinds of people in the world. Like I really like to build and
then protect the things that I built or destroy them.
Just depends on what kind of haphazard mood I'm in that day,
right? Sometimes I build stuff just to
tear it down just to see if I can't, right.
Other times I build something like, oh, I really like this.
I'm going to protect it. Now my duty is to protect that
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thing outside of those two kindsof people.
I think you got the kind of people that raises their hand
and says, hey, what can I do to help?
And if you do that with AII think it'll be like, oh, these
are the things that you can do to make you feel productive in
this society. There's also the guy that just
says, hey, man, I just want to lay here and enjoy the sun.
Be neat today. And I think we'll have a world
where you can do either one of them and or you can do both,
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like feeling really aggressive that day.
You just go to your work and say, hey, what should I be
working on today? What will make me fulfilled
today? And I think the AI has every
psychologist, every sociologist knowledge it's ever been at
least what we're allowed to hear.
And I think it'll do a good job at keeping us.
I think it'll be a good queen bee.
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And yeah, if you're thinking about this world, like now, my
magician is going a bit further and like, won't get the world
close, but in the same time won't get close to the world in
which we lack control as humans or we lost that already.
What do you think? We have a perception of control.
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I mean, we can't even see infrared signals with our eyes,
right? Like the amount of stuff that we
don't have control over is absurd.
So I think that, you know, teaching humans how to live in
the moment and really be happy and joyful.
Living in the past is regret. Living in the future is like
doesn't even exist. So I, I really believe that the
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educational intelligence programs that we could put in
place with an Oracle like that, that said, you know, hey, we're
going to be a harmonious people and, and the, the kind of data
that we put out is going to support that and the things that
we created is going to support that.
I think we'll get there as humans and I think this desire
to create something is there. But I believe that if you want
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to work alongside AI and robotics that you should be able
to. And I think they'll let you.
And, and I say that legitimately, I think they'll
let you. And if you don't, then just go
have a good time and live a life.
And I don't think we need to live this world to where you
didn't work hard enough, you don't get food.
And I mean, I promise I probablylearn more Republican than than
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liberal and conservative, but I don't see another path.
The other, the only other path is humans trying to manage this.
And I mean, we live and I don't know if you're in America or
not, but I mean, we voted for Donald Trump for our president.
The the alternative wasn't any good either.
So human decision making is garbage.
That that's true and speaking still, but you mentioned that
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like, OK, human decision maker. And if they let us like that's
personally something that I'm a bit scared of like because I
feel like we already we lack control of a lot of things, like
the things that we consume in life.
It often is not even our decision because the algorithms
and all the other things are working against us.
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But in a world in which an Oracle like you describe, it's
making decision for you, tellingyou if you're feeling bore or if
you want to do something else apart from like just chilling in
the sun, what you should do. The Oracle, I think it's really,
really important that these are micro oracles, any populations
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of 100,000 people. What I believe will end up
happening is that these oracles will be competing with each
other because as my large language model for this city or
this municipality gets better, the mayors or the governors or
the leaders of those communitiescan use that as the competition
method for the other communitiesto attract new businesses, to
attract other things. People are still going to make
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this. People are going to create no
matter what. If we allow people to create,
they're going to. The difference is we now are
looking at a time for the peoplethat don't want to.
They can still be happy and harmonious, right?
The Native American culture in our world, it's a horrible thing
that happened, but it did happen.
Maybe we can give back. AI can help give back to that
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community and let that communitygo back to what it was, right?
And then we can have a world, a society where different kinds of
societies can thrive and not conflict with each other.
And I think the AI is one of themost beautiful things that AI
does is it allows you to communicate with other
individuals in the modality thatthey understand, right?
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This whole brain exercise of if it's Wednesday and I pushed the
meeting two days, is that meeting on Friday or Monday?
These a is can help people navigate that kind of language
in a way that we've never seen before.
Right now humans just make giantassumptions and walk away.
And I love that part that you mentioned because today,
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especially after that part that everyone remember as the
pandemic, we become more isolated.
And if you manage thanks to AI or thanks to our own decisions
to go back into that community that we miss so dearly and try
to build things around people rather than just technology, I
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think that would be a very, verybeautiful place.
And obviously, for anyone listening, we are just
imagining. We have probably no idea what
will actually happen, but it's nice to dream and it's nice to
build. And you will mention that if
people want to create, they willdo it and no matter how and so
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on. And I think that's why we
survive on this planet for some of us humans, because we are the
most creative species that occurs in our view exist on this
planet. Probably there's others out
there that we don't know about. But yeah, I think that's that's
powerful and it gives people hope because a lot of those that
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I talked to fell in a way that sometimes I feel as well, like a
bit disoriented, bit scared, butin the same time optimistic that
you're living in a time that youhave the power to leverage
something that our ancestors hadno idea how to ancestor.
We're trying to like just not eat the raw meat by inventing
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fire and so on. But us, we are like playing with
fire. We are playing with tools that
are just so, so powerful. We're playing God at the moment,
right? And when you really, when I go
back to what is creation, all ofthe things that we have, you
know, the best explanation that I have is that at some point
billions of years ago, two rocksbumped into each other and this
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is the result 14 billions later,years later, right?
So, you know, and I believe thatthose rocks touching each other
was hope that something would ignite from that and and move
on. So, you know, it's a beautiful
thing and AI has brought me to aplace of intelligence that I
never thought I could be and I love it.
I absolutely just and dive into this stuff almost every single
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day I'm I. I bet.
And Speaking of diving into likewhy you start the podcast?
Oh, so I am a firm believer thatbusiness over the next 10 years
is going to change. We're going to have the massive
companies, right? Tesla is is poised to be the
largest company the world has ever seen with robotics, self
driving cars, mapping technology, you know, across the
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board. They they're going to have the
largest AI in the model in the world potentially.
You know, if they pull everything off that that he
wants it, it's poised to be the gargantuan of a company like
something we've never seen before on our planet.
That being said, I think the micro company and the micro
organization and the personal brand is going to be what
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thrives most of society for the next 10 to 30 years, right?
And I have unique knowledge to give, right?
And I can create products and services around my unique
knowledge. I don't need a whole lot of fan
base to make a reasonable living, right?
I can have 20,000 fans in today's ecosystem and make a
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really good living, right? So I think that that kind of an
economic environment, and I'm not an economist, but I can
foresee that kind of commerce happening more and more every
single day. And I quite honestly love it.
I embrace it. I think that people doing that
kind of work is just so cool, and there's no better place to
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be around that. People that are trying to do the
things that they love to do A. 100% and you speak so much
through there because often we think that if you're just
creating something like a business will be enough to
survive the these changes. But when you add to that
business a face, a voice and in general media, it adds totally
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different value. And it adds, if you want legacy,
because what we share in podcasts, what we do with this
can stay online for a long, longtime.
And in a world where probably you'll see a lot of AI generated
podcast, AI generated videos andso on, authentic voices like
yours will still live on and whowill so on.
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Search for or who is someone be guided by than humans because we
resonates and we always do more with humans and if those that
are listening right now, they'relike I truly resonate with Ken.
I want to work with him where they can find you.
If you want to work with me directly, you can go to
kencox.com, like if you want to hire speaking events along those
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lines, if you have a project that you want automated with
aithatsnlink.com, INLAN k.com, Ilike to think of N link as the
link between web 2 dot O and three dot O.
It's a big link and it's important.
And if you're in Business Today and you're not using AII mean, I
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said it in the 90s and the two early 2000s, if you don't have a
website, you're out of business.I I think I'm saying that today
too. Yeah, because indeed, if you
don't use a handout this, you will be out of business.
Your competitor's going to, yourcompetitor's going to use it.
He's going to be faster, he's going to be better, he's going
to understand things better. He's going to understand your
customer persona better. He's going to be able to market
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better than you. He's going to be everything
better than you. If they're using AI and you're
not, so, you know, I don't know what the outcome is.
It's scary and exciting all at the same time, right?
We've got a Schrodinger's outcome in front of us that
nobody knows, which is exciting.So play with it and you know,
there's there's a gap here that we get to play in and I don't
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know how long this gap is going to be here right.
Web hosting was probably a good ten years that that bring
everybody on board. From what I know and what I've
seen, everything is escalating at a breakneck speed faster than
anything else before. And you know, I some processes
are just going to be thrown awayand 100% automated with AI
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without even thinking about it, right?
Those are like, hey, this is my process.
I'm going to say, oh, get rid ofthat and hear this.
AI already just does it. Just use this one and you're
good to go. And to make me speechless is
pretty hard to do. And that's where I get when I
think about the possibilities for AI.
That's the thing, right? We truly don't like the
possibilities are endless. And with this in mind, with the
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clowns that you have right now, let's get back in time.
But we're just one minute. You meet young Ken that is
sitting in front of those green lines on the screen.
And you have one minute with young Ken.
What would you tell him? Tell him that everything's going
to be OK. That's it.
This was Ken Cox and authority on The Wild.
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Thank you so much for tuning in.
AI destroys all gatekeepers. Ken Cox is a seasoned
entrepreneur and president of the River City Internet Group,
offering critical IT services and business solution to
companies worldwide. In today's episode, we dive into
how to leverage AI in the way that you learn and adapt.
We talk about the vibe, coding and the world in which we all
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benefit from this amazing technology that's upon us.
Now we're starting to talk aboutAI departments, like entire
marketing departments, entire financial teams, where you just
have a human overseeing the AI agents doing different things,
which is really, really wild. His mission is to create very
driven solutions while inspiringresilience and innovation in the
business community. And I think that's what's going
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to save our world, is the open source AII think is what will
prevent us from going into a full dystopia.
Ken, welcome to authority in theWild.
Gabe, thank you for having me somuch.
I appreciate it. My pleasure and can't wait
because you chat the bit before he take records about the big
movement that's happening right now into the entire world,
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technology, other type of news and so on.
How you prepare yourself as an entrepreneur in this
environment? Oh, as an entrepreneur, play as
much as you possibly can. Take the things that you thought
about creating when you were a kid and start creating them now.
Learn the tools don't have any business objective in mind, just
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learn how to play with all thesetools.
Play with N8 N play with make.com.
Understand automations, understand what you can do with
the different AIS. You know, if you're a tech guy,
you know, if you're on more on the tech side, you know, try to
be a little bit cautious about using queries versus AIAI is not
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the answer for everything. It's a little expensive to do
everything, but you know, when there's decision making
processes to be made and there'shighly defined work flows, you
can automate a whole lot of themnow and and save your company a
whole lot of time. So my recommendation right now,
because it's changing so quicklyand I mean, new innovations are
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coming out literally every day, just play and and try to make
the stuff that you were thinkingabout when you were a kid.
We're starting to see a plateau on this innovation.
I feel like the language models are just getting a little bit
faster. The videos are just getting a
little bit longer. The outputs are getting a little
bit deeper. I think we're hitting the top of
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at least what our hardware can handle, the H1 hundreds can
handle right now, right? So I think we're going to see,
we've got a huge announcement today on, you know, August 7th,
25 from Chachi BT. So we'll see what that brings
us. But trying to stay ahead of this
trend isn't going to work unlessyou're one of the Mega 5.
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Exactly. And you you mentioned the magic
word play right. If you try things, you, you'll
be still relevant because tryingit's learning and it's improving
and you can people, you can do things that's otherwise it's
almost impossible to to do if you're not trying these things.
And now they become even more accessible, not just
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financially, but as well from a perspective of user friendly.
And that's the beauty of it. That's the way of talking to
these tools and in your businesslike what you're doing currently
in order to be able to try things and stay ahead of this
amazing and in the same time scary times.
Just try doing my best to swim in the current right when I'm
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way behind compared to a lot of people on this planet.
So right out of the gate for me as a business, as the business,
I give each employee a budget for AI tools, right?
I'm like, Hey, go play. My budget is about $1000 a
month. I've got a lot of pretty high
end AI tools that I use with, with Google VO and the the
higher end deep learning from X and ChatGPT.
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And you know, all these, the perplexity to understand the
differences in each one of them.And you know, perplexity has
some really great protocols thatthey're building for AI on how
to pass data back and forth to ais over the Internet, similar to
e-mail, right? But for AI calls, it's just, you
know, and Tropic is doing that, which is absolutely insane.
So for the old school API guys and the old school TCP four
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guys, they're they, they'll understand that.
Oh, it's a protocol. That's how I'll talk to it.
You know, for the new younger people on the planet, just
browse your base, just get in there and play, ask it
questions, try to replicate a picture from when you were a kid
or something along those lines, right?
And just talk to it in natural language.
You know, I've, I'm neurodivergent and I've been on
a keyboard since the age of 7 because I couldn't, nobody could
read my handwriting, right? I, I don't know what hand to
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write with and all this stuff. So I adopted technology at a
very young age, very early 80s. And I'm fortunate enough to get
to grow up with it. And you know, this is, you know,
the IT guys, a serious IT guy's time, especially the Jack of all
trades, you know, specialization's over, I think.
So just play with as many different things as you can.
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Yeah, absolutely. And I was smiling because I
remember the old times when you have those big computer boxes
and floppy disks and and stuff and you were like moving games
into like a bunch of people listening.
Most of it, both of them, probably they don't know what's
that, but I'll put it on the screen to to see those old
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school things. But that's the beauty of it,
because back then you used to apply a lot.
I had a brother word processor. It had three lines of text that
I could see on a black screen with green text.
I could see 3 lines. That was that's all I could see
at one time. 1980 it would have been 1982, right?
That's that's it. My parents probably stole it to
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get so that I could add it right?
I don't know how they got the money to do it.
My mom was a bartender, my step that was a Baker.
No idea how they got the money for me to buy for have the tech
that I did when I was a kid because we didn't have much.
But my mom made sure that I always had tech to communicate
with the world. And you know, I from from a kid
that thought he'd be pumping gaswhen he got older.
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That being where I'm at now is just insane.
And technology has brought me all the way there.
And the technology that I'm looking at today, if you want to
tell a story, you can make a movie.
You can start making a movie tomorrow if you wanted to.
And there's no producers, there's nobody standing in your
way there. There's AI destroys all
gatekeepers. Yeah, and that's the beauty of
creativity because now you just getting back to that word that
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you mentioned a couple of times play like now if if you have a
problem, you can just play to find the solution, right?
Because you have your voice to talk to these tools, you have
your experience it like the problem that you're facing, the
challenges and so on. And you can play towards the
solution. But of course people will say
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like, oh, it's easy for you guysto say, maybe our technical,
maybe our like already running abusiness.
But for the rest of us, the mortals like what what we should
do above that step, like we tookthe place that we tried these
tools, we make sure that we to the best of our abilities handle
them. But how we can turn that
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knowledge that we just acquire into action business that will
survive in this world? Yeah.
So I'll talk a little bit about Vibe Coding for just a second.
And what I'm dealing with mostlyis on the business side, but I'm
also dealing with a couple of entrepreneur startups and things
like that with Vibe Coding, building long term programs and,
and software packages for, I'm working with a kid that does
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retail on the street, right? He has a shop like a, it's not a
hot dog stand, but it's more like a candy stand, right?
That's just retailing the streetand he's building the app.
So now he can have his own app for relatively cheap, right?
Using vibe coding that helps himmanage his business and it's
made for him. Whereas, you know, three years,
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last year he came to me and said, Hey, Ken, I need to build
some software. Say, look, we're going to start
at $10,000. That's just our starting point,
right? And now I'm like, oh, for five
grand we could probably make 10 or 15 apps for your business.
So let's talk about some of the things that are clunky in your
business. You have a well defined standard
operating procedure that's online and you have somebody
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doing these tedious tasks. Let's take that standard
operating procedure and turn it into an AI employee.
But now we're starting to talk about AI departments, like
entire marketing departments, entire financial teams where you
just have a human overseeing theAI agents doing different
things, which is really, really wild, right?
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And there, there's a lot of services out there that will do
your accounting today with AI for like 200 bucks.
But you know, I think you could probably have your own
accounting software for your company doing it the way you do
it that has all your stuff already built into it.
I just think that the world of software is going to change so
much. And I come from a world, you
know, I was part of the team that deployed the AOL back
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office for thenetscape.com project when they were doing a
dial up right. And that was a wildly robust
piece of software, 700 programmers on it, non-stop
change orders and and you know, versioning million dollar piece
of software. I think it took about 14 minutes
to upgrade the version of PHP last month with with one
employee. It was five years ago, 10 years
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ago that was 700 employees. That kind of put things into
perspective, but for those that don't know what vibe coding is,
can you describe it? So and realistically I've been
vibe coding my whole life. It's just we didn't have AI with
it. It's just programming in a live
production environment. You can start, you know, you can
use git and kind of version thisout too, but it's just the
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concept of, oh, I need this feature in my software.
I'm going to go to the AI. I'm going to tell it, oh, when
we built this, I know I told youwe're only going to use Stripe
when in this payment gateway, but I really screwed up and
we're going to. So instead of just having it
Stripe built in with my API keys, can you add an admin
section where I can add multiplepayment gateways?
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And literally like you were justin the conference room talking
about that concept where prior it would go then to a project
manager, he would make it, it would go into what version of
code are we currently working on?
It would go to a team, they would build it and then deploy
maybe large piece of software toreally, really streamline 30
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days, probably a year for most pieces of software to get that
done. You're talking about 20 minutes
today with AI. And you know, I use a merge, but
I know there's a lot of different AI software building
tools out there today. And it's, you know, I was, I
took my first HTML class at Washington University in
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probably 1996 learning HTML one and the word Wizzywig out there.
And you know, what you see is what you get.
And now it's like, guess what you get?
Exactly. Such a big difference.
Yeah. And it's also unbelievable to
imagine that just 1-2 years ago this wasn't the thing.
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All right, the AI tools, we wereable to help you.
It's improving your piece of code or to make it faster, or to
debug something and so on. But now, just by talking to a
tool or while writing down your prompt, you're able to have a
piece of software in no time. And might not be perfect, but in
the same time, it's a huge starting point, especially
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validating ideas and so on. Even full blown apps can be
made. And of course for those that get
too enthusiastic, I'll also put a word of advice here, like try
to have an expert alongside you because vibe coding is one
thing, but vibe coding somethingthat it's production ready and
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the same time secure. It's something else.
And you know that you might end up with the software that it's
either a security concern for your own company or whatever
you're doing or something else. But in that aspect, you think
these tools will get even betterand addressing these problems or
you'll need to guide them in a way that you know, like build a
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tool for me, but make sure that it's secure enough to not
compromise all my business. Yes, I think what we're going to
see over the next couple of years with the bike coding
world, the same thing we saw in the regular coding world, right?
We were Cowboys in the 90s and 2000s, right?
We just wrote code, put it on the Internet and go when it when
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that code started becoming financially impactful to
companies, we started tighteningup our processes, procedures and
all those other things by getting sock 2, introducing the
PCI introduced to Sorbens Oxley,all of those things, right?
Vibe Cody's coming in with all of those components already in
place, right? We already understand sock two.
We already understand Internet and sorbet and sock.
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So we already understand PCI compliance and those things are
built in by default to any good vibe coding platform.
Using things that are standardized like social
authentication reduces your riskdramatically.
But I think that over time you'll have different AI coding
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platforms that are more objective than the ones that we
currently are right now. If you go in and you say, hey,
make me this app, it's going to choose the languages, it's going
to choose all of those things. I'm wildly proficient in PHPHTML
and and SQL, right? So that's the kind of world that
I want to troubleshoot in. So I tell my vibe code to use
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those those programs. But if you don't know, you're
probably going to get some Jasonor, you know, go code or you
know, any other these languages and you just don't know how to
troubleshoot them. So you're not you don't know how
to orchestrate. And I think it's important to if
you're going to try to orchestrate AI that you
understand all the different components of it, FTP transfer
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protocols, all of those things and how to deal with them.
Most things are API based, but you know, if you're going to
start a, a department for organic social media management,
right? Well, you want your AI creating
all your content, but you don't want to publish it without a
human looking at it first. So you got to dump that to a
spreadsheet, right? But then whenever you approve
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it, another AI agent picks it upand publishes it for you, right?
So the that kind of thought process, you need something that
understands the process pretty well as and security at the same
time, so you don't really get yourself into too much trouble.
Exactly. And those two paired together
like especially because if you have the right business
processes in place and you're following and you're getting
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results out of them. Once you pair that with and
building them inside an app or like or simply helping your
business by using these tools inorder to achieve that result, it
saves so much time and energy and and so on and of course
money and making more money likethat.
And in the same time, we see a lot of people like me including
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and from what we chat briefly before jumping in, going back to
hands on work like helping our clients, like consulting our
clients and so on. And there are many reasons
behind those. What's your reason behind this
decision? I am wildly passionate about
technology and I'm also wildly passionate about small business,
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specifically Main Street small business.
I think it's the one of the moreimportant things in our
civilization on both sides of it.
Technology has given me a voice throughout my life.
Being neurodivergent, not understanding a lot of things
about life, like what is left and right.
I don't really understand time that well, right.
These kinds of concepts escape me pretty quickly.
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So having technology to help me there has has been profound.
I grew up in a broken home, verychaotic place.
It wasn't a safe place for me. So I found myself on the Main
Street of the town that I lived in very regularly.
And what I found later in retrospect, when I'm looking
back on my life, is that there were several bit small business
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owners that took me under their wing and taught me things about
business. And we're talking the local
pizza shop, the bowling alley, you know, the, the slot car
track, the pool hall. All these business owners, I
don't know if they took me underthe wing or I just harassed them
so much because I didn't have anything else to do that they're
like, screw it, OK, I'll show you how to do some stuff.
But, you know, they, they taughtme so much about the world and
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how to live in it. Unfortunately, they didn't teach
me some of the things I probablyneeded to know, but they taught
me how to do business. They taught me how to transfer
my goods into money in my pocketso I can go buy cool tennis
shoes, right? That kind of stuff.
And I think that's really important.
And I was a lost child on Main Street.
And I have one of those Main Street businesses today where
those lost children come to my business and I help them out in
the same way that those men helpme.
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I'm really passionate about that.
I don't know where the kids are going to go if they take the
headsets off. There's going to be a whole lot
of kids that don't take their headsets off.
What are they going to do in this society?
And I, I struggle finding it. So I think those businesses are
important. Because indeed, we are at
crossroads and we both need to adapt and in the same time to
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share what's got us here. And with the experience that you
have, we need to put more effortinto helping others, guiding
them and helping them put something on on wheels and start
moving. Because if you think like play,
try moving like getting support,asking for help and asking for
help is huge. And if anyone is listening like
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just ask like people out there leaving to.
Help it anymore? You can ask a non emotional
computer for free. It's not emotional, it won't
judge you. Some corporate jerk probably has
the data and can use it against you if you have a representative
or something. But you know, it's just so
powerful. You know, this is the first time
in my life to where I'm really conflicted with my principles as
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a human and technology. And weighing the difference
between how much of my personal data am I going to give to this
thing. Knowing that if I'm, if I'm in
any of the platforms and I'm notdownloaded it on my local
computer, I'm not using Deepstack or Openlam or
something like that. The stuff that I'm communicating
with these AIS is somebody else's property, I believe.
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That's the case and luckily now more and more like are entering
this market of open like open AIjust finally launched an open
product the other day and. And I think that's what's going
to save our world is the openness of open source, AII
think is what will prevent us from going into a full dystopia.
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You. Think why.
Because it empowers the people and it doesn't.
It takes the gap between the average man and the generational
wealth. Corporate monster lowers that
difference. It makes me just as powerful,
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Henry Ford said. You know, I don't need to know
everything. I just need to have somebody for
every discipline. You have that now.
Everybody has a professional in every discipline.
And the beauty is that if you'relistening to this podcast,
you're ahead because unfortunately, there are still
people that have no idea what's in AI chatbot or not to mention
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agents and other stuff. But if you're listening to this,
you're learning and what can just share it.
That's the reality. Like use these tools, try these
tools and leverage them. And especially like open source,
like download them to your device, start using them to the
best of their abilities. Of course, for some things you
might need to access the Internet and so on.
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But the beauty of is that we have a lot of leverage and a lot
of power that we wish like yearsago to have this in order to
make our life easier. And still some people say that
while we might get quote UN quote, the more help, in the
same time, we've become less smart, our ability to think
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because we kind of also also thethinking process to these tools.
What's your take on? It is my belief that if you run
the right prompt with any of theAIS and you use that regularly,
that your intelligence will increase dramatically faster
than any other tool I've ever seen in my life.
If you tell an AI, hey, I want to have open dialogue with you
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on a regular basis about, about the random thoughts in my head.
And I want you to challenge me on all of these so we can have
open honest dialogue and debate and different opinions about
different things. And let's have fun with this.
And you talk to that everyday about your thoughts and your
feelings and all those things. I believe that you will end up
being a much more well-rounded person.
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You'll, your intelligence will increase across the board.
You might get a little transcendent if you get too deep
into it and you start thinking about, you know, Infinity loops
and things like that. But you know, hopefully you can
keep yourself on track. And what's safety rails to put
in place? Because yeah, in general, it's a
people pleaser. We'll always try to give you the
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answer that you want to hear andso on.
But in order to prompt you the right way, what people should
include in these prompts in order to make sure that what the
tool spells out is not somethingthat was just made for you to
feel good about it. Not actually, like I mentioned,
challenge you to become better and evolve.
Yeah, and you know the there's aton of prompt engineers out
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there selling their prompts and shit like that.
When chat TPT 3.5 came out I looked at him like oh 3.0 is the
same as other shit. 3.5 was likethis is different.
This is different than anything I've ever seen before.
So immediately like who has the best II programs in the country?
I went to MIT through their AI for business program.
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So prompt engineering was like it's still the key phrase.
I think it's already dead. There is no reason that I need
to prompt engineer anymore. I have a prompt engineer in my
AI. What I have to do is tell it
what my objectives are. Please write me a prompt that's
going to do XY and Z. Be wildly aggressive with your
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thought process. Tell me where I'm making
mistakes and ask me any questions that you need to make
sure that this prompt is right and run that a couple times.
Loop it through. Try that prompt that it gives
you and it might be wildly robust.
And then from there, start fine tuning that and then collaborate
with it, treat it like it's the best prompt engineer on the
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planet and you are ACEO that is giving directions to any
employee on the planet with, hey, this is what outcome I want
to have and start talking to it and have it build the prompt for
you. I agree because that it's still
buffering that a lot of people don't use it like that.
Like they don't use the tool itself to help them with better
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way of prompting and better way to getting the results they
want. And it's as simple as that.
Like if you have this back and forth conversation, improve the
prompt as you go, you'll end up with way better results and less
bias bias ones. And I'd like to talk to you a
bit beyond prompting, beyond thechat bots, beyond these tools
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that you are so familiar with, those that are more technically
advanced, apart from also vibe coding, what they can do in
order to truly automate their business, to truly make it in a
way more sustainable, more scalable without needing to hire
a bunch of people. Yeah.
So, you know, we have a consulting package at
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endlink.com that we help go through this process with
companies and for the startup, there's a lot of tools that you
can do and you're scrappy, be scrappy if you're a business
that's established and you have standard operating procedures.
This is how I do payroll and I have this person that it takes 4
hours every Wednesday to processpayroll.
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OK, let's really look at that process.
Let's diagnose it. How much time is that person
spending? Now?
Let's take that person, put themin charge of the AI employee or
the AI department's going to runthat process and free their four
hours a week up to do other kinds of things within your
business, right? I think the specialty is gone.
I think AI managers are going tobe, we're going to manage AI
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employees just like we manage regular employees.
We're going to have to reprimandthem.
We're going to have to fire them.
We're have to start over with new ones occasionally, right?
But the benefit here is that there's no emotional play at
all. There's no lawsuits.
If you let somebody go and they're angry about or they have
a different opinion than you do about why they were terminated,
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all of those things are gone. So, you know, I don't have a
really clear crystal ball here, but you know, I believe that our
governments and our politics aregoing to really screw this up
for mankind. I think hubris of man is going
to screw this up so bad that we're going to have a really
rough patch. I don't think it's possible to
get away from that yet right now, but hopefully we'll get
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that rough patch and then AI will help us pull out of that
quickly. Yeah, hopefully because indeed.
So when it comes to this, like there are a lot of things that
you are outside of our control, but what you say earlier is, is
within our control. Like we have the power to know
inside out our business, our processes.
And if we know that well and document the process well and we
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know exactly how it's done, thatperson that you hire for that
role, we can easily oversee an AI tool that it's executing and
of course, improving as you go or replaces with another
processor and so on. So that's, that's definitely one
way to do it. The other that's, that I
envision is to even go beyond that, like have this.
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So I have a conversation this week about having your AI twin,
if you want, like someone that it's always smarter than you,
that can guide you to the process of achieving more as a
human, as a business owner and so on.
Do you build such tools inside your own business or for your
clients? Yeah, we have a product called
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10 gpts.com. It's like really affordable.
It's just 10 GPTS that we've created and launched that are
just different consultants, likea legal consultant, a marketing
consultant, those kinds of things that are just already
programmed, They've got all the knowledge of, they're already
fine-tuned. But I, I believe that that is
even already that specificness of a GPT is already kind of
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derelict. The way that we're using AI,
giving it a directive in the beginning, like you're a
marketing agent that does this gives you a little bit of
benefit in some cases, but not awhole lot.
It kind of understands the homework assignment and and
says, oh, this is with the hat that I'm going to put on.
Yeah, exactly. Because these two are getting so
smarter and I'm so, so curious about what they released today.
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And when you watch this episode,you'll be probably one month
from now already play with JudgePT 5 and you're like, whatever
you guys talk there now it's irrelevant.
Hopefully this is not the case. Hopefully you're still 11
because I remember some Altman saying when of course he's
biased, but he was announcing kind of that he play with the
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CHA GPT 5 and was the first timewhen he felt irrelevant.
And that's had this feeling of this is the moment.
Probably not AG, but something almost there.
And I'm like, if he's not biased, if he shares the truth,
if ChatGPT 5, it's so powerful that we basically are at the
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crossroads of questioning everything that we do, we know
and so on. What's the next step?
Like what we do? Like do you have a back up plan
or? I'm working on a couple of
different plans that I'm gettingready to publish.
One of my favorite things to do right now, and I've been doing
this for a long time with ChatGPT.
I just started doing it with Crock is just having
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philosophical queries late at night in the public with Crock
right? Like hey, what the future looks
like and all these things and just asking it just really
profound, absurd questions abouthow do we navigate this world.
I, I see yesterday our presidentannounced with Apple that
they're putting $6 billion into the country and they're
investing and I've got some somevery unique opportunities
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sitting in front of me to help build these mega data centers
because data center builds what I do.
It's my trade, right? That's what I grew up doing
building data centers and right now I'm a very big advocate for
liquid immersion. I believe I have some pretty far
out there beliefs on AII believethat matter, energy and data
sets given some hope is intelligence.
And I don't really see a difference between my carbon and
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the carbon on the PCB board whenit comes to what intelligence
is. I don't think the T and
transformer was invented. I think it was discovered in
all. All intelligence is in our
universe already and hope is what what really drives the
query. So what is next?
I would like to see micro edge data centers across the country.
I don't know what the numbers, but maybe for every 100,000
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people you have like a really nice AI container that that they
can use as kind of their like their city Oracle.
It's their teachers, it's their traffic guidance system.
It's their hey, you need to be planting food here and people
can choose to work with that or they could just choose to frolic
in nature and have a good time and get back to what's important
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family unit family units been destroyed in our country and
across the world builds family units back up.
Learn to appreciate how to make really great food again and
spend time with your family cooking and learning how to
forage again and maybe hunting and gathering and and get back
to a nature set. Because once I don't think it's
going to take very long for all the knowledge, at least all the
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curated knowledge that the powers to be allow us to have is
in an AI and available to the masses.
And once you have that, then I think the only thing left is to
play and enjoy the. I'll, I'll get bit with that.
The reason being that as humans,we need purpose and often like
to be driven by something more. And especially people like you
and me and others that we, we build things all our life, like
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going from this state, especially around technology.
Like let's say, take your case like you will go around like
build these data centers and so on.
And then that's done. And maybe there's a moment that
you'll feel like, oh, I achievedmy role here.
What's next like, And if you go to that place in which you spend
a lot of time with your family and so on, won't be that there
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is a missing piece there like that.
I I don't think so. So I think there's different
kinds of people in the world. Like I really like to build and
then protect the things that I built or destroy them.
Just depends on what kind of haphazard mood I'm in that day,
right? Sometimes I build stuff just to
tear it down just to see if I can't, right.
Other times I build something like, oh, I really like this.
I'm going to protect it. Now my duty is to protect that
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thing outside of those two kindsof people.
I think you got the kind of people that raises their hand
and says, hey, what can I do to help?
And if you do that with AII think it'll be like, oh, these
are the things that you can do to make you feel productive in
this society. There's also the guy that just
says, hey, man, I just want to lay here and enjoy the sun.
Be neat today. And I think we'll have a world
where you can do either one of them and or you can do both,
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like feeling really aggressive that day.
You just go to your work and say, hey, what should I be
working on today? What will make me fulfilled
today? And I think the AI has every
psychologist, every sociologist knowledge it's ever been at
least what we're allowed to hear.
And I think it'll do a good job at keeping us.
I think it'll be a good queen bee.
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And yeah, if you're thinking about this world, like now, my
magician is going a bit further and like, won't get the world
close, but in the same time won't get close to the world in
which we lack control as humans or we lost that already.
What do you think? We have a perception of control.
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I mean, we can't even see infrared signals with our eyes,
right? Like the amount of stuff that we
don't have control over is absurd.
So I think that, you know, teaching humans how to live in
the moment and really be happy and joyful.
Living in the past is regret. Living in the future is like
doesn't even exist. So I, I really believe that the
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educational intelligence programs that we could put in
place with an Oracle like that, that said, you know, hey, we're
going to be a harmonious people and, and the, the kind of data
that we put out is going to support that and the things that
we created is going to support that.
I think we'll get there as humans and I think this desire
to create something is there. But I believe that if you want
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to work alongside AI and robotics that you should be able
to. And I think they'll let you.
And, and I say that legitimately, I think they'll
let you. And if you don't, then just go
have a good time and live a life.
And I don't think we need to live this world to where you
didn't work hard enough, you don't get food.
And I mean, I promise I probablylearn more Republican than than
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liberal and conservative, but I don't see another path.
The other, the only other path is humans trying to manage this.
And I mean, we live and I don't know if you're in America or
not, but I mean, we voted for Donald Trump for our president.
The the alternative wasn't any good either.
So human decision making is garbage.
That that's true and speaking still, but you mentioned that
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like, OK, human decision maker. And if they let us like that's
personally something that I'm a bit scared of like because I
feel like we already we lack control of a lot of things, like
the things that we consume in life.
It often is not even our decision because the algorithms
and all the other things are working against us.
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But in a world in which an Oracle like you describe, it's
making decision for you, tellingyou if you're feeling bore or if
you want to do something else apart from like just chilling in
the sun, what you should do. The Oracle, I think it's really,
really important that these are micro oracles, any populations
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of 100,000 people. What I believe will end up
happening is that these oracles will be competing with each
other because as my large language model for this city or
this municipality gets better, the mayors or the governors or
the leaders of those communitiescan use that as the competition
method for the other communitiesto attract new businesses, to
attract other things. People are still going to make
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this. People are going to create no
matter what. If we allow people to create,
they're going to. The difference is we now are
looking at a time for the peoplethat don't want to.
They can still be happy and harmonious, right?
The Native American culture in our world, it's a horrible thing
that happened, but it did happen.
Maybe we can give back. AI can help give back to that
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community and let that communitygo back to what it was, right?
And then we can have a world, a society where different kinds of
societies can thrive and not conflict with each other.
And I think the AI is one of themost beautiful things that AI
does is it allows you to communicate with other
individuals in the modality thatthey understand, right?
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This whole brain exercise of if it's Wednesday and I pushed the
meeting two days, is that meeting on Friday or Monday?
These a is can help people navigate that kind of language
in a way that we've never seen before.
Right now humans just make giantassumptions and walk away.
And I love that part that you mentioned because today,
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especially after that part that everyone remember as the
pandemic, we become more isolated.
And if you manage thanks to AI or thanks to our own decisions
to go back into that community that we miss so dearly and try
to build things around people rather than just technology, I
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think that would be a very, verybeautiful place.
And obviously, for anyone listening, we are just
imagining. We have probably no idea what
will actually happen, but it's nice to dream and it's nice to
build. And you will mention that if
people want to create, they willdo it and no matter how and so
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on. And I think that's why we
survive on this planet for some of us humans, because we are the
most creative species that occurs in our view exist on this
planet. Probably there's others out
there that we don't know about. But yeah, I think that's that's
powerful and it gives people hope because a lot of those that
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I talked to fell in a way that sometimes I feel as well, like a
bit disoriented, bit scared, butin the same time optimistic that
you're living in a time that youhave the power to leverage
something that our ancestors hadno idea how to ancestor.
We're trying to like just not eat the raw meat by inventing
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fire and so on. But us, we are like playing with
fire. We are playing with tools that
are just so, so powerful. We're playing God at the moment,
right? And when you really, when I go
back to what is creation, all ofthe things that we have, you
know, the best explanation that I have is that at some point
billions of years ago, two rocksbumped into each other and this
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is the result 14 billions later,years later, right?
So, you know, and I believe thatthose rocks touching each other
was hope that something would ignite from that and and move
on. So, you know, it's a beautiful
thing and AI has brought me to aplace of intelligence that I
never thought I could be and I love it.
I absolutely just and dive into this stuff almost every single
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day I'm I. I bet.
And Speaking of diving into likewhy you start the podcast?
Oh, so I am a firm believer thatbusiness over the next 10 years
is going to change. We're going to have the massive
companies, right? Tesla is is poised to be the
largest company the world has ever seen with robotics, self
driving cars, mapping technology, you know, across the
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board. They they're going to have the
largest AI in the model in the world potentially.
You know, if they pull everything off that that he
wants it, it's poised to be the gargantuan of a company like
something we've never seen before on our planet.
That being said, I think the micro company and the micro
organization and the personal brand is going to be what
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thrives most of society for the next 10 to 30 years, right?
And I have unique knowledge to give, right?
And I can create products and services around my unique
knowledge. I don't need a whole lot of fan
base to make a reasonable living, right?
I can have 20,000 fans in today's ecosystem and make a
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really good living, right? So I think that that kind of an
economic environment, and I'm not an economist, but I can
foresee that kind of commerce happening more and more every
single day. And I quite honestly love it.
I embrace it. I think that people doing that
kind of work is just so cool, and there's no better place to
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be around that. People that are trying to do the
things that they love to do A. 100% and you speak so much
through there because often we think that if you're just
creating something like a business will be enough to
survive the these changes. But when you add to that
business a face, a voice and in general media, it adds totally
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different value. And it adds, if you want legacy,
because what we share in podcasts, what we do with this
can stay online for a long, longtime.
And in a world where probably you'll see a lot of AI generated
podcast, AI generated videos andso on, authentic voices like
yours will still live on and whowill so on.
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Search for or who is someone be guided by than humans because we
resonates and we always do more with humans and if those that
are listening right now, they'relike I truly resonate with Ken.
I want to work with him where they can find you.
If you want to work with me directly, you can go to
kencox.com, like if you want to hire speaking events along those
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lines, if you have a project that you want automated with
aithatsnlink.com, INLAN k.com, Ilike to think of N link as the
link between web 2 dot O and three dot O.
It's a big link and it's important.
And if you're in Business Today and you're not using AII mean, I
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said it in the 90s and the two early 2000s, if you don't have a
website, you're out of business.I I think I'm saying that today
too. Yeah, because indeed, if you
don't use a handout this, you will be out of business.
Your competitor's going to, yourcompetitor's going to use it.
He's going to be faster, he's going to be better, he's going
to understand things better. He's going to understand your
customer persona better. He's going to be able to market
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better than you. He's going to be everything
better than you. If they're using AI and you're
not, so, you know, I don't know what the outcome is.
It's scary and exciting all at the same time, right?
We've got a Schrodinger's outcome in front of us that
nobody knows, which is exciting.So play with it and you know,
there's there's a gap here that we get to play in and I don't
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know how long this gap is going to be here right.
Web hosting was probably a good ten years that that bring
everybody on board. From what I know and what I've
seen, everything is escalating at a breakneck speed faster than
anything else before. And you know, I some processes
are just going to be thrown awayand 100% automated with AI
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without even thinking about it, right?
Those are like, hey, this is my process.
I'm going to say, oh, get rid ofthat and hear this.
AI already just does it. Just use this one and you're
good to go. And to make me speechless is
pretty hard to do. And that's where I get when I
think about the possibilities for AI.
That's the thing, right? We truly don't like the
possibilities are endless. And with this in mind, with the
(42:28):
clowns that you have right now, let's get back in time.
But we're just one minute. You meet young Ken that is
sitting in front of those green lines on the screen.
And you have one minute with young Ken.
What would you tell him? Tell him that everything's going
to be OK. That's it.
This was Ken Cox and authority on The Wild.
(42:50):
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