July 17, 2025 • 19 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
No, that's a great background, All right.
Well, we're messing withbackgrounds and that's that's
okay.
I like your brick wall.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Studio 54.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, we're using Riverside today, and so it's a
little bit different than Zoomand we're trying to get used to
it.
So welcome everybody.
We're going to talk aboutthings that therapists wish they
knew earlier in their careers.
And, jennifer, you have adifferent perspective because
you're early in your career butyou are working with potential
(00:41):
supervisors and this is in Texasand people have to be licensed
five years to be a supervisor.
So you're at least interactingwith people later in their
careers and you know you'regetting to know them, and I am
later in my career, so I cangive that perspective too.
(01:02):
So too.
So what's your first thoughtwhen you think about that?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I think a lot of what I hear is when they were first
starting out, trying to balanceshould I go into private
practice?
Should I go into communitymental health?
You know, should I try and cramall these hours in at once and
just not really figuring outwhere their niche was and how to
(01:34):
kind of focus on that and buildout from there so that they
could potentially market toassociates later on or grad
students, just kind of that likecram it all in at once sort of
thing?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, so you don't think they're really thinking
ahead about supervision, likeall the business part that goes
with it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, I think a lot of people, because it's five
years down the road, they likebreathe a sigh of relief after
they get fully licensed and theydon't start planning for.
Is this a path I want to take?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, yeah.
No, that makes sense, Becausenobody talks about becoming a
supervisor when you're a brandnew licensee.
So it's not like you'rethinking of that as your next
step or anything like that.
It's just sort of like, oh, oh,I found this course online.
Or oh, I found this, this cando the next thing that I do.
Yes, I mean, you're notthinking.
(02:37):
Well, you probably are thinkingabout becoming a supervisor and
what that will look like.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
But a lot of people in my shoes aren't.
They're just trying to keeptheir head above water right now
and they don't think what's thewhat's my end game, what's the
long term?
But they don't think aboutburnout.
They don't think about do Iwant to see, you know, 35
clients a week from here untilI'm 80.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I think that's one thing, because when you start
out, you're so excited aboutseeing clients and if, if
somebody is listening to this orwatching this and you're a
consumer of therapy, as as weall should be, um, this might
shock you a little bit, becausewhen we start off as counselors,
of course we're like, ah, giveme more clients, give me more
clients.
But I don't know how many yearsin I started looking at my
(03:34):
schedule and being like, oh mygosh, I can't see all these
people.
And I remember there was thismoment I was having dinner with
my husband at a restaurant and Ijust was eating my food.
I wasn't talking or interacting.
I felt like I had like thethousand yard stare and he's
like what's wrong?
I'm like I had a full calendartoday.
(03:57):
I had a full day of clients.
You know we call it burnout.
We call it, you know, jobstress or I mean whatever you
want to call it.
I don't think we really let newcounselors know the vicarious
trauma that you're going toencounter.
(04:17):
You know, I mean it's, it'sreal right.
I mean you're yeah, I just sawsomebody walk through your wall.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
That was cool.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Thank you, rylan.
Like a Harry Potter moment.
We just went through the wall.
Can you picture now thevicarious trauma?
Well, you can, because you'reyou have a law enforcement
background.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So this is yeah and it's a.
It's a lot.
You know you talk about yourcomment about the full calendar.
People don't realize when theycome from other professions or
even working like a Chick-fil-Aor retail from 8am to 4pm, solid
(05:08):
Like I can get up and go to thebathroom if I need to stretch
my legs or you know, a coworkercomes in and talks to you, but
if you have eight clients in aday, you are.
You are bouncing from oneclient to the next with really
no break and people don't talkabout that.
They don't realize that.
It was funny because I wastalking to a girl who teaches at
my daughter's dance studio.
(05:29):
She was so excited because allthese parents want private
lessons with their kids with her.
She's just stacking thatcalendar.
I said just because there's 12hours in a day doesn't mean you
need to schedule 12 privates.
She just looked at me and saidyou're going to get burned out.
You can't sustain that.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Wait, you got to say that again because it blanked
out.
Oh sorry, Uh-oh Hold on.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I don't know if this is my internet or yours, hold up
.
It says my internet.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Is it yours or mine?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Is it yours.
It says it's mine.
Can you hear me?
No?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I can barely make it out.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
It's really windy here today.
I'm going to try to go toanother room.
It's me.
We're going to travel, yep.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
All right.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
We are resumed.
Okay, it's like I told her justbecause there's 12 hours in the
day doesn't mean you need toschedule 12 different private
lessons, and I think that holdstrue for any Take your glasses
off.
Oh sorry, it's okay.
Um, I it's like I told her justbecause there's 12 clients in
the day, I mean 12 hours in theday, doesn't mean you need to
schedule 12 private lessons.
(07:14):
And I think it holds true foranybody, especially counselors,
because you know we're we'rehaving to hold space for 12
different people and theirtrauma and their past and what's
going on, and I mean that'sexhausting.
I mean it would be exhaustingto do that for four hours a day
and much less schedule 12clients back to back.
It's definitely not sustainable.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, I don't think people understand early in their
careers that they're ever justgoing to get tired of hearing it
, and it's not what clientsthink.
So, clients, if you'relistening to this, it's not that
we're sitting there going, ohmy gosh, would this person shut
up?
It's.
It's not that I mean we're inthis job because we love it.
We're in this job because we'retrained to listen and it's
(07:59):
almost uncontrollable, like whenI listen to someone.
I'm a really good listener andit's actually like a skill I'm
really good at.
So it's not that we're tired ofyour story, it's just that when
we go home it's hard to putyour story away, right?
So it's.
It's like collecting things,like everybody collects things
(08:22):
they love, and then one day youlook in that corner of your
house and you're like, oh shit,look at all the stuff I've
collected and it's you know I'mhoarding trauma oh my gosh,
that's gonna be the title ofthis trauma hoarders.
yeah, that, okay, that'll.
Alarm, sorry, alarm went off,went off.
(08:42):
But there's no way easily forus to get rid of trauma.
And you know it's actuallyclients, because I know there
are a lot of people out therethat are they're either looking
(09:07):
for reasons to go to therapy orthey're looking for reasons to
not go to therapy, right?
So if they're listening to avideo or a podcast like this one
, they're like aha, I knew theyhated listening to us.
Well, no, no, we don't.
You're also not harming us,right?
I mean, just because we arehaving some vicarious trauma or
(09:27):
we're not able to drop the storyimmediately when we get home,
it doesn't mean you're hurtingus clients.
It just means that we needtherapy too.
Right, and you know that'sprobably something that
professors talk to students.
I don't know, did yourprofessors, or do your
professors I mean, you've gotyour master's degree, you're
(09:49):
working on your PhD Do yourinstructors ever say, hey, you
guys, don't forget, you need toget therapy too.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Sometimes, you know, I think in some programs it was
more like oh, you know,therapists need therapy, you
know you need to be in therapy,and it almost came across as
like uh, there was somethingwrong with you and that's why
you needed to make sure.
And then some professors did abetter job of explaining you're
(10:17):
carrying a lot of weight aroundand you can't, you know, like if
, if I have a bad day, I cancall my friend and be like hey,
susie, I had a crap day andunload on her.
But if my client shares thisGod awful thing that happened to
them, I stuck with it.
(10:38):
It's going to become baggage Icarry around with me, unless so.
So some professors did a betterjob of explaining that is your
opportunity to to offload someof what you've picked up that
you can't call your best friendand be like oh my God, this
crazy thing happened today intherapy.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
So and that's the other thing too.
So people who clients out there, potential clients a lot of
people think that we, we do, wejust call it a therapist and go,
oh my gosh, guess what?
Guess what we heard today.
Or guess what happened today.
We don't do that.
We have a little thing calledconfidentiality we have.
(11:15):
We are governed by federal lawslike HIPAA, and depending on
what state you're in or whatyour license is, you're governed
by that as well.
So it's layer upon layer uponlayer of confidentiality.
We are the keepers of secrets.
I mean we don't wear collars,but we're priests.
I mean we keep your secrets.
(11:37):
That is, I told my kids that Iremember when I was younger and
I was changing careers andbecoming a counselor, and
they're like what is that I'mlike?
Well, I'm a professional secretkeeper, and so I can't just
come home and tell my husband,oh my gosh, guess what happened
today.
Or I can't just call my bestfriend and say, oh my gosh, what
happened today?
Here's what happened today.
So, yeah, I mean it's funnythough you say some professors
(12:01):
do a better job than others,I'll never forget I was in this
class and I loved my program.
I went to Sam Houston StateUniversity go Bearcats.
And I had this wonderfulprofessor and I was talking
about how when I watch a movie,so when I'm in a theater and
this happens at home too I findit very, very difficult to
(12:23):
disconnect from the story on thescreen, like I can't go to
scary movies, I just can't.
I.
And I told him one of thetricks and I'm telling the whole
class this right Cause, that'swhat you do in counseling
classes you just bury your soul.
That's what you do incounseling classes, you just
bury your soul.
So I told them I I take my eyesoff the screen and I'll look at
(12:49):
the curtains or the walls orthe little sconces for the
lights, and that helps medisconnect from the story.
And I remember he just lookedat me and he went uh, kate, you
need therapy.
And I was like oh shit, Iovershared.
Oh no, kate, you need therapy.
And I was like oh shit, Iovershared.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Oh no, yeah, it puts you, it makes you feel this, you
kind of get an it like why?
And it makes you so to theprofessors that did a good job
of saying no, this is why Ireally, really genuinely
appreciate that, because nobodywants to go to counseling class
and be like, oh, you're a headcase, go get some therapy, sorry
(13:27):
.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Well, and those of you who are listening and you're
not in Texas Well, in Texas,associates can now start their
own private practice.
Associates can now start theirown private practice.
And so I got I don't know ifyou can tell, but I just got the
most amazing haircut I did.
It's wonderful and I lovehairstylists because of their
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business model.
So I'm sitting in the chair andI'm picking the person's brain
because she's one of the ownersof the shop and she's telling me
all about how they traineverybody, from the staff to the
most experienced cutter, haircutter, hairstylist how to do
business.
And so I think one of thethings that they don't tell us
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early in our career is you'regoing to have to know a little
bit about business, and I knowthat's like if you're again, if
you're a client, you'relistening to this going what
Y'all don't know how to dobusiness?
No, no, we don't Not at all.
I mean, when you startedworking for me and you started
(14:38):
learning all this stuff, I mean,is it were you kind of
surprised by the number ofpeople who didn't know business,
or what we were teaching them?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
A thousand percent, I'm still surprised.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Okay, well, don't know, or they don't think they
know, or what we're teachingthem.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
The people that don't know.
And there I feel like there'sgroups of people.
There's people who think theyknow and they don't know, and
then there's people who don'tknow and aren't interested in
knowing.
And then there's people whodon't know and it's just
completely beyond their frame ofreference because in graduate
school they don't talk to youabout that.
(15:18):
They push you to go tocommunity mental health.
Go to, you know, intensiveoutpatient programs, go to like
residential treatment centers,because you're new, you don't
know what you're doing, you'vegot to get your hands dirty to
get your hours.
And so by the time somebodygets the point where, okay, I
(15:41):
don't need to schlep through themud of 50 clients a week, I
need to shift, they have no ideawhat they're doing.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, yeah, and I'll take it from the perspective of
the other end People who havebeen in a career in agency work
or hospitals or schools, andthey think, oh, I'm going to
retire and go into business, andit's like, oh, but you haven't,
you know, and it's, it's not.
I mean, it's like a lemonadestand, right, I mean that's what
(16:12):
we call it in the Facebookgroup.
Every Wednesday, we open thelemonade stand so people can
post all their businesses in thethread, you know, and it's a
lemonade stand, is an exchange,right, you give me money, I give
you lemonade, and justsomething as simple as okay,
I've got to collect money.
At the end of this hour there'sso many pieces, pieces and
(16:35):
parts of that.
And, yeah, those, those of youwho are listening, I have no
idea that we don't know this, wedon't know this, we don't know
any of this.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well, even for me, because I started working for
the state of Texas at 19 yearsold.
So the state of Texas said youcome to work at this time and
you leave work at this time andyou take lunch at this time and
this is who your healthinsurance is and this is how
many hours of vacation we'regoing to give you and this is
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how many hours of holiday.
And I did that for 15, 16 years.
That was my entire life.
Like I knew, on the first ofthe month the state of Texas was
going to put my paycheck in myaccount, I didn't have to say,
hey, state of Texas, um, I knowwe just had a really rough
conversation and you poured alot out and you may be broke,
(17:27):
but I need you to pay me.
And that is a huge part of thisbusiness component is we have
rapport with this client and nowwe have to tell them they owe
us money, because it's not afriendship, it's not a mutual
relationship.
There is an exchange ofservices and it makes people
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very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It's asking for money is harder than you think.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so,asking for money.
You mentioned something that Iexperienced early on, which was
paying taxes.
Right, because when you workfor a company, they just take
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your taxes out.
Well, I didn't know, I had totake my own taxes out, and that
was a fun lesson to learn at theend of that year.
And then there were those peopleI mean you had done business
before, you didn't just work forthe state of Texas.
I mean you had, you had sidehustles that you had done before
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.
So you did know how.
You do know how to do business.
So that's the other thing too.
We've got people who, early intheir they're early in their
second career or they're earlyin their third career, they've
been a realtor or they've beenan airline pilot or right.
I mean they do know how to dothis, and so they're kind of on
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the spectrum.
Okay, I know how to do business,but do I know how to take care
of myself?
Do I know how to market theseservices that are intangible?
Right, we can't put counselingon a shelf and polish them and
dust them every day and makethem pretty.
How do we showcase that on awebsite.
How do we help peopleunderstand what it is and how
(19:17):
many sessions do you need anyway?
I mean, those kinds of thingsare just not taught and, again,
that might surprise people.
I meet so many people who think, well, I have to have weekly
sessions, right.
Like I don't know.
I don't know if you need weeklysessions, right.
I mean that's part of an intake.
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There's an assessment process,there's a treatment planning
phase.
All of these things are verybusiness related, because we
can't project based on yourperson or your interview or your
assessment.
We can't necessarily say, okay,I need you for 10 sessions, I'm
going to hit the button andwe're just going to get paid for
that.
(19:58):
I mean, so this businesscomponent isn't paid for, that I
mean.
So this business componentisn't run by some person in a
corporate office somewhere.
We are the corporate office,right, so we've got to make
these business decisions.
So, yeah, super fun stuff andpeople who are later in your
career.
I would love to hear from youguys.
If anybody wants to makecomments, don't forget to post
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in the comments and clicksubscribe.
Don't forget to do that.
And, jennifer, thank you.
Next video y'all tune in, lookfor what you do and do.
Therapists need therapy.
Watch the next video and you'llsee.
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Do therapists need therapy?
Watch the next video and you'llsee.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Okay, where's?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
your little cut thing .
Yeah, really, I have to giveyou another link, but we'll see
I'm going to hit stop.
No, that's a great background, All right.
Well, we're messing withbackgrounds and that's that's
okay.
I like your brick wall.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Studio 54.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, we're using Riverside today, and so it's a
little bit different than Zoomand we're trying to get used to
it.
So welcome everybody.
We're going to talk aboutthings that therapists wish they
knew earlier in their careers.
And, jennifer, you have adifferent perspective because
you're early in your career butyou are working with potential
(00:41):
supervisors and this is in Texasand people have to be licensed
five years to be a supervisor.
So you're at least interactingwith people later in their
careers and you know you'regetting to know them, and I am
later in my career, so I cangive that perspective too.
(01:02):
So too.
So what's your first thoughtwhen you think about that?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I think a lot of what I hear is when they were first
starting out, trying to balanceshould I go into private
practice?
Should I go into communitymental health?
You know, should I try and cramall these hours in at once and
just not really figuring outwhere their niche was and how to
(01:34):
kind of focus on that and buildout from there so that they
could potentially market toassociates later on or grad
students, just kind of that likecram it all in at once sort of
thing?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, so you don't think they're really thinking
ahead about supervision, likeall the business part that goes
with it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, I think a lot of people, because it's five
years down the road, they likebreathe a sigh of relief after
they get fully licensed and theydon't start planning for.
Is this a path I want to take?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, yeah.
No, that makes sense, Becausenobody talks about becoming a
supervisor when you're a brandnew licensee.
So it's not like you'rethinking of that as your next
step or anything like that.
It's just sort of like, oh, oh,I found this course online.
Or oh, I found this, this cando the next thing that I do.
Yes, I mean, you're notthinking.
(02:37):
Well, you probably are thinkingabout becoming a supervisor and
what that will look like.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
But a lot of people in my shoes aren't.
They're just trying to keeptheir head above water right now
and they don't think what's thewhat's my end game, what's the
long term?
But they don't think aboutburnout.
They don't think about do Iwant to see, you know, 35
clients a week from here untilI'm 80.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I think that's one thing, because when you start
out, you're so excited aboutseeing clients and if, if
somebody is listening to this orwatching this and you're a
consumer of therapy, as as weall should be, um, this might
shock you a little bit, becausewhen we start off as counselors,
of course we're like, ah, giveme more clients, give me more
clients.
But I don't know how many yearsin I started looking at my
(03:34):
schedule and being like, oh mygosh, I can't see all these
people.
And I remember there was thismoment I was having dinner with
my husband at a restaurant and Ijust was eating my food.
I wasn't talking or interacting.
I felt like I had like thethousand yard stare and he's
like what's wrong?
I'm like I had a full calendartoday.
(03:57):
I had a full day of clients.
You know we call it burnout.
We call it, you know, jobstress or I mean whatever you
want to call it.
I don't think we really let newcounselors know the vicarious
trauma that you're going toencounter.
(04:17):
You know, I mean it's, it'sreal right.
I mean you're yeah, I just sawsomebody walk through your wall.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
That was cool.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Thank you, rylan.
Like a Harry Potter moment.
We just went through the wall.
Can you picture now thevicarious trauma?
Well, you can, because you'reyou have a law enforcement
background.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So this is yeah and it's a.
It's a lot.
You know you talk about yourcomment about the full calendar.
People don't realize when theycome from other professions or
even working like a Chick-fil-Aor retail from 8am to 4pm, solid
(05:08):
Like I can get up and go to thebathroom if I need to stretch
my legs or you know, a coworkercomes in and talks to you, but
if you have eight clients in aday, you are.
You are bouncing from oneclient to the next with really
no break and people don't talkabout that.
They don't realize that.
It was funny because I wastalking to a girl who teaches at
my daughter's dance studio.
(05:29):
She was so excited because allthese parents want private
lessons with their kids with her.
She's just stacking thatcalendar.
I said just because there's 12hours in a day doesn't mean you
need to schedule 12 privates.
She just looked at me and saidyou're going to get burned out.
You can't sustain that.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Wait, you got to say that again because it blanked
out.
Oh sorry, Uh-oh Hold on.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I don't know if this is my internet or yours, hold up
.
It says my internet.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Is it yours or mine?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Is it yours.
It says it's mine.
Can you hear me?
No?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I can barely make it out.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
It's really windy here today.
I'm going to try to go toanother room.
It's me.
We're going to travel, yep.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
All right.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
We are resumed.
Okay, it's like I told her justbecause there's 12 hours in the
day doesn't mean you need toschedule 12 different private
lessons, and I think that holdstrue for any Take your glasses
off.
Oh sorry, it's okay.
Um, I it's like I told her justbecause there's 12 clients in
the day, I mean 12 hours in theday, doesn't mean you need to
schedule 12 private lessons.
(07:14):
And I think it holds true foranybody, especially counselors,
because you know we're we'rehaving to hold space for 12
different people and theirtrauma and their past and what's
going on, and I mean that'sexhausting.
I mean it would be exhaustingto do that for four hours a day
and much less schedule 12clients back to back.
It's definitely not sustainable.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, I don't think people understand early in their
careers that they're ever justgoing to get tired of hearing it
, and it's not what clientsthink.
So, clients, if you'relistening to this, it's not that
we're sitting there going, ohmy gosh, would this person shut
up?
It's.
It's not that I mean we're inthis job because we love it.
We're in this job because we'retrained to listen and it's
(07:59):
almost uncontrollable, like whenI listen to someone.
I'm a really good listener andit's actually like a skill I'm
really good at.
So it's not that we're tired ofyour story, it's just that when
we go home it's hard to putyour story away, right?
So it's.
It's like collecting things,like everybody collects things
(08:22):
they love, and then one day youlook in that corner of your
house and you're like, oh shit,look at all the stuff I've
collected and it's you know I'mhoarding trauma oh my gosh,
that's gonna be the title ofthis trauma hoarders.
yeah, that, okay, that'll.
Alarm, sorry, alarm went off,went off.
(08:42):
But there's no way easily forus to get rid of trauma.
And you know it's actuallyclients, because I know there
are a lot of people out therethat are they're either looking
(09:07):
for reasons to go to therapy orthey're looking for reasons to
not go to therapy, right?
So if they're listening to avideo or a podcast like this one
, they're like aha, I knew theyhated listening to us.
Well, no, no, we don't.
You're also not harming us,right?
I mean, just because we arehaving some vicarious trauma or
(09:27):
we're not able to drop the storyimmediately when we get home,
it doesn't mean you're hurtingus clients.
It just means that we needtherapy too.
Right, and you know that'sprobably something that
professors talk to students.
I don't know, did yourprofessors, or do your
professors I mean, you've gotyour master's degree, you're
(09:49):
working on your PhD Do yourinstructors ever say, hey, you
guys, don't forget, you need toget therapy too.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Sometimes, you know, I think in some programs it was
more like oh, you know,therapists need therapy, you
know you need to be in therapy,and it almost came across as
like uh, there was somethingwrong with you and that's why
you needed to make sure.
And then some professors did abetter job of explaining you're
(10:17):
carrying a lot of weight aroundand you can't, you know, like if
, if I have a bad day, I cancall my friend and be like hey,
susie, I had a crap day andunload on her.
But if my client shares thisGod awful thing that happened to
them, I stuck with it.
(10:38):
It's going to become baggage Icarry around with me, unless so.
So some professors did a betterjob of explaining that is your
opportunity to to offload someof what you've picked up that
you can't call your best friendand be like oh my God, this
crazy thing happened today intherapy.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
So and that's the other thing too.
So people who clients out there, potential clients a lot of
people think that we, we do, wejust call it a therapist and go,
oh my gosh, guess what?
Guess what we heard today.
Or guess what happened today.
We don't do that.
We have a little thing calledconfidentiality we have.
(11:15):
We are governed by federal lawslike HIPAA, and depending on
what state you're in or whatyour license is, you're governed
by that as well.
So it's layer upon layer uponlayer of confidentiality.
We are the keepers of secrets.
I mean we don't wear collars,but we're priests.
I mean we keep your secrets.
(11:37):
That is, I told my kids that Iremember when I was younger and
I was changing careers andbecoming a counselor, and
they're like what is that I'mlike?
Well, I'm a professional secretkeeper, and so I can't just
come home and tell my husband,oh my gosh, guess what happened
today.
Or I can't just call my bestfriend and say, oh my gosh, what
happened today?
Here's what happened today.
So, yeah, I mean it's funnythough you say some professors
(12:01):
do a better job than others,I'll never forget I was in this
class and I loved my program.
I went to Sam Houston StateUniversity go Bearcats.
And I had this wonderfulprofessor and I was talking
about how when I watch a movie,so when I'm in a theater and
this happens at home too I findit very, very difficult to
(12:23):
disconnect from the story on thescreen, like I can't go to
scary movies, I just can't.
I.
And I told him one of thetricks and I'm telling the whole
class this right Cause, that'swhat you do in counseling
classes you just bury your soul.
That's what you do incounseling classes, you just
bury your soul.
So I told them I I take my eyesoff the screen and I'll look at
(12:49):
the curtains or the walls orthe little sconces for the
lights, and that helps medisconnect from the story.
And I remember he just lookedat me and he went uh, kate, you
need therapy.
And I was like oh shit, Iovershared.
Oh no, kate, you need therapy.
And I was like oh shit, Iovershared.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Oh no, yeah, it puts you, it makes you feel this, you
kind of get an it like why?
And it makes you so to theprofessors that did a good job
of saying no, this is why Ireally, really genuinely
appreciate that, because nobodywants to go to counseling class
and be like, oh, you're a headcase, go get some therapy, sorry
(13:27):
.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Well, and those of you who are listening and you're
not in Texas Well, in Texas,associates can now start their
own private practice.
Associates can now start theirown private practice.
And so I got I don't know ifyou can tell, but I just got the
most amazing haircut I did.
It's wonderful and I lovehairstylists because of their
(13:52):
business model.
So I'm sitting in the chair andI'm picking the person's brain
because she's one of the ownersof the shop and she's telling me
all about how they traineverybody, from the staff to the
most experienced cutter, haircutter, hairstylist how to do
business.
And so I think one of thethings that they don't tell us
(14:16):
early in our career is you'regoing to have to know a little
bit about business, and I knowthat's like if you're again, if
you're a client, you'relistening to this going what
Y'all don't know how to dobusiness?
No, no, we don't Not at all.
I mean, when you startedworking for me and you started
(14:38):
learning all this stuff, I mean,is it were you kind of
surprised by the number ofpeople who didn't know business,
or what we were teaching them?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
A thousand percent, I'm still surprised.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Okay, well, don't know, or they don't think they
know, or what we're teachingthem.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
The people that don't know.
And there I feel like there'sgroups of people.
There's people who think theyknow and they don't know, and
then there's people who don'tknow and aren't interested in
knowing.
And then there's people whodon't know and it's just
completely beyond their frame ofreference because in graduate
school they don't talk to youabout that.
(15:18):
They push you to go tocommunity mental health.
Go to, you know, intensiveoutpatient programs, go to like
residential treatment centers,because you're new, you don't
know what you're doing, you'vegot to get your hands dirty to
get your hours.
And so by the time somebodygets the point where, okay, I
(15:41):
don't need to schlep through themud of 50 clients a week, I
need to shift, they have no ideawhat they're doing.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, yeah, and I'll take it from the perspective of
the other end People who havebeen in a career in agency work
or hospitals or schools, andthey think, oh, I'm going to
retire and go into business, andit's like, oh, but you haven't,
you know, and it's, it's not.
I mean, it's like a lemonadestand, right, I mean that's what
(16:12):
we call it in the Facebookgroup.
Every Wednesday, we open thelemonade stand so people can
post all their businesses in thethread, you know, and it's a
lemonade stand, is an exchange,right, you give me money, I give
you lemonade, and justsomething as simple as okay,
I've got to collect money.
At the end of this hour there'sso many pieces, pieces and
(16:35):
parts of that.
And, yeah, those, those of youwho are listening, I have no
idea that we don't know this, wedon't know this, we don't know
any of this.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well, even for me, because I started working for
the state of Texas at 19 yearsold.
So the state of Texas said youcome to work at this time and
you leave work at this time andyou take lunch at this time and
this is who your healthinsurance is and this is how
many hours of vacation we'regoing to give you and this is
(17:06):
how many hours of holiday.
And I did that for 15, 16 years.
That was my entire life.
Like I knew, on the first ofthe month the state of Texas was
going to put my paycheck in myaccount, I didn't have to say,
hey, state of Texas, um, I knowwe just had a really rough
conversation and you poured alot out and you may be broke,
(17:27):
but I need you to pay me.
And that is a huge part of thisbusiness component is we have
rapport with this client and nowwe have to tell them they owe
us money, because it's not afriendship, it's not a mutual
relationship.
There is an exchange ofservices and it makes people
(17:49):
very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It's asking for money is harder than you think.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so,asking for money.
You mentioned something that Iexperienced early on, which was
paying taxes.
Right, because when you workfor a company, they just take
(18:13):
your taxes out.
Well, I didn't know, I had totake my own taxes out, and that
was a fun lesson to learn at theend of that year.
And then there were those peopleI mean you had done business
before, you didn't just work forthe state of Texas.
I mean you had, you had sidehustles that you had done before
(18:34):
.
So you did know how.
You do know how to do business.
So that's the other thing too.
We've got people who, early intheir they're early in their
second career or they're earlyin their third career, they've
been a realtor or they've beenan airline pilot or right.
I mean they do know how to dothis, and so they're kind of on
(18:55):
the spectrum.
Okay, I know how to do business,but do I know how to take care
of myself?
Do I know how to market theseservices that are intangible?
Right, we can't put counselingon a shelf and polish them and
dust them every day and makethem pretty.
How do we showcase that on awebsite.
How do we help peopleunderstand what it is and how
(19:17):
many sessions do you need anyway?
I mean, those kinds of thingsare just not taught and, again,
that might surprise people.
I meet so many people who think, well, I have to have weekly
sessions, right.
Like I don't know.
I don't know if you need weeklysessions, right.
I mean that's part of an intake.
(19:38):
There's an assessment process,there's a treatment planning
phase.
All of these things are verybusiness related, because we
can't project based on yourperson or your interview or your
assessment.
We can't necessarily say, okay,I need you for 10 sessions, I'm
going to hit the button andwe're just going to get paid for
that.
(19:58):
I mean, so this businesscomponent isn't paid for, that I
mean.
So this business componentisn't run by some person in a
corporate office somewhere.
We are the corporate office,right, so we've got to make
these business decisions.
So, yeah, super fun stuff andpeople who are later in your
career.
I would love to hear from youguys.
If anybody wants to makecomments, don't forget to post
(20:20):
in the comments and clicksubscribe.
Don't forget to do that.
And, jennifer, thank you.
Next video y'all tune in, lookfor what you do and do.
Therapists need therapy.
Watch the next video and you'llsee.
(20:42):
Do therapists need therapy?
Watch the next video and you'llsee.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Okay, where's?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
your little cut thing .
Yeah, really, I have to giveyou another link, but we'll see
I'm going to hit stop.
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