May 13, 2025 • 39 mins
When Camilla Thompson woke up in hospital after collapsing with sepsis, the doctor told her something chilling: "If you'd gone to bed last night instead of coming here, you likely would have slipped into a coma." Two days earlier, she'd been at work, pushing through fatigue and dismissing symptoms while juggling motherhood and a demanding corporate career.
This wake-up call was just one chapter in Camilla's journey to becoming a biohacking expert. From postpartum depression that conventional medicine couldn't address to discovering her family home was riddled with toxic mold that was making them ill, Camilla's path reveals why so many women struggle to find answers to their health challenges within traditional healthcare systems.
In this eye-opening conversation, Camilla shares accessible, practical biohacking strategies specifically designed for busy women. Forget the expensive gadgets and complicated protocols pushed by "tech bros" – these are real-world solutions for women juggling multiple responsibilities while trying to reclaim their energy and vitality. Learn why women need different approaches to sleep optimization, nutrition, and stress management, and discover simple five-minute hacks that can transform how you feel (including why a spoonful of honey before bed might be the sleep solution you've been searching for).
Perhaps most importantly, Camilla addresses the martyrdom mindset that keeps so many women from prioritizing their health. "We get stuck in survival mode," she explains, "running on cortisol and adrenaline, putting everyone else first." But what if the most revolutionary act is simply putting yourself at the top of your to-do list? Your health – and everything else in your life – might just transform as a result.
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Jo (00:03):
Welcome to Balance and Beyond, the podcast for
ambitious women who refuse toaccept burnout as the price of
success.
Here we're committed toempowering you with the tools
and strategies you need toachieve true balance, where your
career, relationships andhealth all thrive and where you
have the power to define successon your terms.
I honor the space you'vecreated for yourself today, so
(00:25):
let's take a breath and diveright in.
Welcome to Balance and Beyond.
Today, I'm joined by CamillaThompson, who is a trailblazer
in biohacking, an executivecoach and the author of Biohack
Me Me, and also one of us, a mumof two with a burnout story and
(00:47):
a health story.
So today she's here to help usunderstand what is actually
going on with our bodies and howwe can, as women, really step
into our best lives, which, ofcourse, includes best health and
energy.
Welcome, Camilla, thank you,it's wonderful to be here.
Health and energy.
Welcome, Camilla.
Thank you, it's wonderful to behere.
Why don't we start off?
(01:12):
You've had an interestingjourney that mimics that of many
of women who are listening tothis podcast and come into our
world.
Why don't you tell us a littlebit about where did your journey
towards biohacking begin?
Camilla (01:19):
Yes.
So look, there's sort of threekey pivotal points in my life
that sort of put me on this path.
But I guess it started at avery young age.
I grew up with a mom who was abit of a hippie, very
progressive thinker.
She, you know, our house waslow tox, no chemicals, food came
from local farms.
We weren't allowed sugar.
So we were, you know, I reallyset my blueprint for health from
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an early age.
Obviously I rebelled a lot whenI was a teenager and ate Maccas
and all the rest of it and lotsof sugar and alcohol, all those
things.
But I came back to that, sothat was always been instilled
and my mom taught me so much.
And it's funny there's so manythings that are coming out in
the last couple of years thatshe was talking about, you know,
20, 30, 40 years ago.
(02:02):
So yeah, that's where it allsort of started for me.
I call her the OG biohackerbecause she was.
She's one of the originals.
But look, there's sort of threethings that happened when I had
my first son, ollie, in London.
He's 22 now.
I had an awful labor, two days,very traumatic.
They couldn't get him out, youknow, suction caps, forceps.
(02:23):
His poor little head was somisshapen I had two epidurals,
pethidine.
He was stuck.
So we ended up going with aspinal tap, which shouldn't work
, then a general anesthetic andthen I went under general.
I went under general and had anemergency cesarean section.
So it was two days of hell.
Apparently I sounded likesomething from the Exorcist,
(02:44):
according to some of my friends.
But eventually we got him outand he was healthy, thank God,
because his heart rate had gonedown and stuff as well.
So it was a bit of a panic toget him out.
But I thought I'd had a caraccident.
I had no idea I'd had a babyand they sort of said, oh,
(03:05):
you've had a beautiful baby boyand I hadn't held him for hours.
So our bonding was reallystrained.
It was London, it was miserable,it was winter.
I didn't recover very well andI just got more and more
depressed and I was crying a lotand Ollie had colic and he was
crying.
He was really unsettled.
His poor little head was somisshapen and ended up getting
craniosacral therapy on him whenhe was a little bit older
because I was so worried aboutthe damage to his head.
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But um, we were both struggling.
Anyway, we moved to Australiawhen he was a year old and I
didn't really know anyone here.
So then I was suddenly inanother country with a baby and
my partner working all the time.
So I got diagnosed withpostnatal depression quite late,
um, and so 22 years ago therewasn't the support that there is
now and there wasn't't theconversations that we have now
and that that community tosupport you.
(03:47):
Like I did feel very alone.
I got put on some SSRIs to helpwith the depression, but they
didn't really work for me.
I think I was on the wrong onesand again they've developed
them so much now, whereas backin the day they weren't.
You know, I was on the wrongone.
(04:08):
So I came it because I it, Iput on lots of weight, I
couldn't get out of bed, like itwas just it wasn't a good time.
I was already feeling so crapand then it was sort of
compounding this sort of lostall joy and hope and and um, it
was really tough.
So I came off the SSRIs and hada complete breakdown like my
emotions, like I couldn't stopcrying.
I ended up finding myselfwalking into a Chinese Buddhist
place in Rose Bay, anacupuncture guy, and he sort of
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sat there and held my hands andI sobbed and I was like I don't
know what to do and he just laidme on this bed and he jabbed
loads of needles on me, gave methese black and these funky sort
of herbs, and I kept comingback and, week after week, I got
better and I started healingand I started getting in nature
and I started eating better andI could get out of bed in the
morning and I just I found joyand you know, we managed to heal
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um.
I realized that this, you know,my little boy needed his mom
and I'd been so, you know,distant, just trying to.
You know, I felt like I feltlike a complete failure as a mom
, like I was like, why is thisnot working?
You know, I was 26, 27 yearsold, felt young, I was just like
this.
I'm not good at this, um, so itwas a really tough time.
(05:14):
So, anyway, that was my firstexperience with some traditional
Chinese medicine and learningother ways to heal the body.
Um, I guess another one is Iworked in corporate media for
many years and, realperfectionist, pushed myself
really hard, juggling two youngboys.
I'd left my partner at the time.
So I was in massively insurvival mode, having to
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financially support two boys onmy own for a good couple of
years, and I just pushed reallyhard.
I was the only really.
One other person had childrenin the agency and I was the only
other person with young kids,so I was overcompensating.
It's like you know I'm justbecause I'm a mom doesn't mean I
can't do what you guys do.
I'll just superwoman.
So push, push, push had to bethe best.
You know terrible perfectionism, you know I've worked on that
(06:00):
so much over the years of thosefeelings of not feeling good
enough and what I was, you knowthe overcompensation to achieve
all the time to give you thosefeelings of worth and suffering
from high functioning anxiety.
So on the outside I was likesuperwoman power, I've got this,
I'm all over this, I'm highperforming.
And on the inside I was, youknow, just crippled with self
(06:22):
doubt and anxiety and, you know,really negative inner critic.
So this resulted in me justworking too much.
I knew I wasn't feeling verywell but I just kept going to
work, push, push, push and Iwent into a fever at work, went
to the doctors and they werelike you've got a kidney
infection.
Here's some antibiotics Within24 hours.
(06:44):
If you don't feel any better,come back well within 24 hours.
I was in A&E and I woke up inA&E the next day in the ward and
they said you know, you've youhad sepsis.
And he said if you'd gone tobed?
The doctor said if you'd goneto bed last night, you possibly
well potentially would have goneinto a coma because you were
that sick.
Two days before that I'd beenat work.
(07:04):
Really bad wake-up call.
Jo (07:09):
I read.
Camilla (07:10):
Dr Libby's book, the Rushing Woman in hospital and I
was like, ah, she's written thisbook for me.
Every page.
I was like this is me.
What have I done to myself?
What have I?
Why have I been doing this?
And so disconnected from my bodyand how I was feeling and my
intuition that something waswrong, I was blaming on full
moons and Mercury was inretrograde, I was like I feel
(07:31):
really heavy.
No, you're actually ill, you'vegot an infection, but anyway.
So that was a big wake up calland that sort of got me onto a
path.
I started working in mentalhealth and well-being.
I set up a business business.
I co-founded it with my exbusiness partner and, yeah, I
guess my final thing that got meinto biohacking, which we share
(07:52):
here in common, is mold.
So eight years living in mold inRose Bay um, funnily enough,
they think that I got really badafter I had the sepsis and that
the mold got in because my weak, my immune system, was so
weakened.
But yeah, I spent years goingback and forth to doctors,
immune system issues, my eyes toswell up and weep.
(08:14):
I was constantly dehydrated,creaking bones like an old woman
, anxiety through the roof, andjust felt like, yeah, just felt
terrible all the time, like Iwas on a permanent hangover and
I wasn't drinking.
So eventually I was sort oflike in bed, wasn't well?
One of my friends came over tomy house and she'd been working
(08:34):
in mold remediation for quite awhile in Sydney and she said,
camilla, you've got moldeverywhere.
It was in my bed, it was in mybedside cabinets.
We'd had water damage in acupboard.
It had spread like it was.
We had an old house.
It was in every room.
It was in my home office hadblack mold all hidden.
It was hidden everywhere andnot everyone was sick in the
(08:57):
house.
My younger son had healthissues, but my older son was
fine and my husband.
So yeah, it was really hard towork out what was going on there
and that our home was making ussick.
So, conventional medicine theydon't know about mold GPs.
Unfortunately it's not theirfault.
They've had no training.
(09:17):
They don't know how to diagnose, they don't know how to treat.
So you have to take control ofyour health and you have to
start doing things as you knowto heal your body, because no
one else is going to do it foryou and there's no magic drug
that's going to work to fix it.
So that's what kind of got meinto doing loads of crazy
different biohacking stuff totry and get well from mold.
So yeah, that's kind of mystory as to why I'm here Amazing
(09:42):
Thanks for sharing.
Jo (09:44):
And Kimberley and I were talking before this podcast.
I realized I think I'm also abiohacker.
I've got this gadget and I dothis and, wow, I just it's an
identity I'd never, I guess,given to myself, and I know you
had a similar journey.
It was just these things tendto start incrementally.
You don't wake up one day andgo I'm a biohacker as a woman.
You go with I've got thisproblem, I need to solve it, I
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need to be well.
Camilla (10:13):
And then we start taking steps right.
Yeah, and it's so hard being awoman because there's so many
other factors, so it's verydifficult, like hormones, like
you know, stress levels, themental load, all those invisible
loads we're carrying, and it'svery hard to pinpoint what's
making you sick, or if you'rejust tired or you know.
I mean I've got gas litcompletely by doctors who said
it's all in your head.
You know, even a kinesiologistsaid to me oh, I think you're
just choosing to be sick.
(10:33):
And I was like why would Ichoose to be sick?
I don't want to be sick.
So it's really hard.
And my husband didn't believeme for ages and the hat we found
mold in the house.
He was still not convinced thatthat was what was wrong with me
until we got the bloods and Iwas like here it is in black and
white.
He couldn't believe it.
So it's it's very lonely timeas well when you're.
(10:56):
You kind of don't have acommunity.
I think there's some greatgroups now and communities you
can join, so you feel part ofsomething which has its
positives and negativessometimes it is.
Jo (11:07):
I think you put your finger on something there.
As women, we're so used topushing through and putting
ourselves last that it isdifficult to know.
Am I just not tough enough?
Do I just need to suck it upand?
Uh, you know, just try a littlebit harder and if, when I get
through the list, then I'll bookthat doctor's appointment.
That's a prevailing thought,unfortunately, amongst many
(11:29):
women listening to this podcast.
Camilla (11:31):
We always deprioritize ourself and I think the one
thing that when I had thatsignificant burnout with sepsis,
I was just determined that I'dbe the top of my to-do list
every day and I was like there'sno way that I'm putting work in
front of my health, my children, you know, and I missed out on
time with my kids because I wasworking all the time and you
(11:52):
know, and we get stuck insurvival mode as women and we're
just so used to running oncortisol and adrenaline and our
body is just yeah, it's a lot.
And then our immune system isimpacted every month with our
hormones more to immune, morewomen suffer from mold issues
because of our immune system.
Jo (12:12):
I mean, it does happen to men, but not as frequently it's
just interesting for context, wealso sold our house because of
a mold issue.
And my husband also didn't thinkit was that much of a deal, big
deal.
Okay, I hear that all the time.
Yeah, I was the one he's like.
You're just being a bitdramatic, you know I would every
.
We had black mold growing inour wardrobe, which was right
near our bedroom, and mydaughter was constantly sick.
(12:34):
All the family had healthissues and no one could put a
finger on it.
And it was only when I went andjust like this is going to cost
a fortune, but I came and got amold assessment done because it
was after Sydney gets a lot ofrain.
I was after one of thoseperiods of rain like, okay, we,
we have to do something aboutthis.
I'm just going to get someonein and see if there's a problem.
And it turns out my daughter'sbedroom was branded
(12:58):
uninhabitable.
Camilla (12:58):
Yes, same as my humans yeah, same as my sons.
It was so bad, the readingswere so high.
Within 24 hours we were told wecouldn't live in our house.
You had to, we had to get outand everything we owned was
contaminated.
So it's like going through anatural disaster you lose your
home, all your belongings, butyou're also sick, like it's.
It's really traumatic.
(13:19):
Um, I came up with PTMD, whichis post-traumatic mold disorder,
and I'm like it's a thing andyou know we've been through it,
but it's yeah.
Jo (13:28):
Well, we then and there decided to sell our house.
It was like we were going torenovate and as part of the
renovations I've gone.
Well, if we've got mold, let mefind out how to rectify it when
we do the renovation so I canfix it.
But it was going to be upwardsof two hundred thousand dollars
to put in the fans and refit.
It was in the air conditioningvents and and I've gone.
I don't, I'm not paying that.
I could buy a new house withthat money.
(13:50):
So, literally within the spaceof two hours, like we have to
leave this house.
Camilla (13:54):
Oh, and your daughter it's.
And I just, I felt suchincredible guilt as well with my
son because, um, the school wassaying, oh, he's not
concentrating in class, and thefootball, his football team, was
saying he's just not runninglike he used to, he's not
focused, he's not, as you know,he doesn't seem to be as active
and energized as he used to be,and he kept getting sores on his
lips.
And, um, I just thought I don'tknow what.
(14:16):
I thought I, I just because itnot all of us were sick.
And this is the thing like, only25 of the population had the
gene, the mold gene, which isthe hla, dr or dq part of the
celiac um sequence, genesequence, and that means we
can't get rid of mold.
So it means we inhale it and we, and that means we can't get
rid of mold, so it means weinhale it and we just can't bind
it and get rid of it.
And so my son and I both havethat and but my, you know, you
(14:41):
just don't know it's so hard,your home is making you ill and
what are?
It's such a scary, it's so veryfearful.
Like I, I spent years living infear, going to people's houses
and thinking I was going to getsick again.
Jo (14:52):
I don't know if you had a similar experience, but yeah, we
sold our house and we'reactually headed to a clinic in
Norway I've mentioned this toyou before where I was sick of
all our issues here.
My husband had a Rolodex ofspecialists and no one was
actually getting to the core ofit.
It's like stuff.
This I'm not taking.
One daughter couldn't getdiagnoses or anything.
(15:12):
So I knew that this clinic inNorway was very much an
intuitive hit.
We're going to Norway.
This we literally.
I actually sent my husband anddaughter the first week after
lockdown, after borders opened.
I sent them to Norway notknowing anything about the
clinic, just knowing where theyhad to go.
And then this was anotherintuitive hunch At I had to go.
And then this was anotherintuitive hunch at the end of
(15:34):
2022, we'd actually booked atrip to Thailand and I said we
need to go to Norway.
My husband's gone, we've justpaid for Thailand.
We're not going to Norway, likewe need to go to Norway.
And that trip saved all of ourlives and my there's a pretty
good chance my husband wouldn'tbe here right now if we hadn't
gone and worked out while wewere down how sick was he.
So so he was, he was mold stuff, but his was a whole range of
other things.
He had heart issues, digestiveissues, insulin issues,
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inflammation issue, you name itbut the mold was just
exacerbating and taking anyability for his immune system to
heal himself of his otherchallenges.
So we actually never let thekids go back in.
After we left and went toNorway and had red light therapy
and a whole range of healingson a range of different things,
we never let the kids come backinto the house and I went back
in with a mask to clean it forsale.
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So same I had.
Camilla (16:23):
I had to do everything.
I had to go through all of ourstuff and try and save what I
could.
But I mean there's pictures ofme in full hazmat and masks and
having to go back in and we hadto leave our cat at the house
for a bit because we couldn'trehouse the cat, because we had
nowhere to live and our catlived on its own for a little
while but I had to go and feedher every day.
(16:43):
But it was like going back intothat house and it was and just
realizing that you were livingin that environment.
I was working in it all dayfrom home and then sleeping in
it literally in my bed and it'sthere's a sense of relief that
you finally know what's wrongwith you.
But you know it's the cost.
Like I mean, I know I spenttens of thousands trying to get
well, that was money that wedidn't actually have.
(17:06):
Like a lot of it was on, youknow, credit cards and then
paying it off and all thesupplements and the treatments
and I'm privileged that I coulddo that.
There's so many people livingin social housing and disability
housing and retirement homesand people that can't afford to
heal themselves.
It's a crisis.
Jo (17:26):
So where would you recommend somebody start?
Whether they're dealing withmold issues or they're just
exhausted at bottom where youwere, whether it's still
recovering from childbirth orjust complete burnout, there's a
million and one pieces ofadvice out there.
If you're thinking aboutsomeone who's overwhelmed, where
would you suggest they start?
Camilla (17:46):
Look, I mean I'm a big being a biohacker.
We're all about data and we'reall about testing, and so my
thing would be to get the righttesting done.
So to if you think you mighthave mold, you've been living in
mold or you might have beenexposed to mold, is to do a
urine test.
The blood tests are okay, butthe urine test is more reliable,
so I would look at doingdifferent testing that you can
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do to find out what's going on.
Unfortunately, you can't dothis stuff for your GP, so again
you're in that situation whereyou have to pay for a functional
doctor or a naturopath, but ithas to be key is finding out
what's going on with you.
Jo (18:23):
What if there's?
Maybe they don't suspect mold,if they're just, you know,
exhausted.
Like what other biohacks wouldyou suggest?
Because you know people talkabout cold therapy, they talk
about sleeping more, they talkabout supplements, like what?
What's the kind of generic,kind of biohacking tips?
Camilla (18:37):
Well, I think it's.
I've got my biohacking basics,so I've got just a bit of a
framework.
So I think it's focusing onthose foundational pieces and
going okay.
So let me look at all of thesefoundations and I'll talk about
them in a minute and let mereally sort of put as much as I
can into optimize each of thoseareas, and if you still feel
like crap afterwards, thenyou're probably going to go.
Okay, I need to go.
(18:57):
I mean, I would suggest gettingfull bloods done anyway and
getting a really good bloodpanel and hormone panel for
women, like the Dutch test isamazing.
Unfortunately, if you go to thedoctors and just get bloods,
you're not going to get a goodhormone panel.
So, dutch test.
So, again coming back totesting, but if you, if you
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can't do the testing and youjust go, okay, I just need to
start with stuff.
Obviously, sleep is number one.
That's when we repair, weregenerate, that's when the body
has a chance to, you know, dowhat it needs to do so that we
can heal.
So I think that's key.
Don't compromise your sleep.
Have it as a non-negotiable.
You know we're so distractednow.
We've got Netflix and Stan andall these things that are, you
know, keeping us from going tobed at a decent time because
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we're like just one more episodeor we're on our phone scrolling
, having a non-negotiable goingto bed at a decent time so you
can get a good sleep.
I was reading some research theother day actually about the
length of sleep and going tosleep.
I know we always used to say anhour before midnight is what
you need for better sleep, butthere is actually some science
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behind that on the differentstages of sleep and when, as we
know, we go into REM and deepand all these different stages
of sleep and different thingshappen at those different stages
.
So really trying to get tosleep by about 10, 10.30 is
ideal.
You know, going to bed at 9,9.30 and then up early to rise
is ideal, but that depends onyour chronotype, like some
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people are night owls and that'snot gonna work for them, right?
So again, it's being intuitiveand using bio-individuality on
what works for you and what yourrhythm is.
But sleep is number one.
Some good hacks around sleep aremagnesium.
If you're not taking magnesium,it's an absolute winner.
We absorb it better orally orthrough cream, and through our
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feet is actually, randomly, thebest place.
Get someone to rub magnesiumcream on your feet place.
Get someone to rub magnesiumcream on your feet, but Epsom
salt baths, things like that andyou can get some really good
night magnesium.
You know powders, ethicalnutrients, bioceticals those
guys do some pretty good onesthat you can get over the
counter in a little bit of waterand that's really going to help
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with your nervous system andsleep and restless leg and all
that kind of stuff.
Most of us are magnesiumdeficient, so it's a bit of a
no-brainer magnesium.
I like things like, you know,silk eye mask or an eye mask.
It's just a way of training thebrain as well that it's time to
sleep.
As soon as you put that mask on, you kind of rewire your brain
and it's a signal to go to sleep.
(21:26):
So also it's great for wrinkles, which is good.
It sort of rewires and signalsto the brain it's time for sleep
and it helps block the light.
So that's a really great hackfor sleeping and not expensive.
I've got a honey hack as well.
So when we're sleeping ourbrain is still really active.
You know, we think we're justsort of dead to the world, but
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we're not.
The brain's going, all sorts isgoing on and it uses glycogen
from our liver as its energysource to keep firing up and
doing what it's doing, and oftenit's at two, three am.
That glycogen store is gone andso we wake up.
We've got surges of cortisol,adrenaline.
But also the brain is lookingfor an energy source.
So honey actually tricks andmimics the glycogen.
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So it's got to be good qualityraw honey or manuka honey, but a
spoonful of honey.
The brain will use that as anenergy source.
So I have clients that aresleeping through the night just
from taking honey before bed.
Yeah, so if you're fasting likethen, maybe do it after dinner.
It's good for people the sweettooth, because it curbs that
(22:30):
sweet tooth.
Um, there's got to be decent,like raw honey, not not the
squeezy cheap stuff, becausethat'll it after dinner.
It's good for people with asweet tooth because it curbs
that sweet tooth.
There's got to be decent, likeraw honey, not the squeezy cheap
stuff, because that'll justsend your blood glucose through
the roof.
Do not do that, please.
But yeah, so that's a reallygreat hack.
So your honey, your magnesium,eye masks, breath work, so that
really good yoga, diaphragmaticbreathing that actually flushes
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out cortisol and, you know,sends messages to the body.
It's time to sleep, rest, digest, you're safe.
Parasympathetic nervous systemactivates that vagus nerve.
So that's really important isto have those beautiful rituals.
And also, reading a book beforebed reduces our stress by 68%
if we read for at least sixminutes.
So definitely worth reading abook, one chapter, before bed
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rather than being on your phoneand whatever else.
So prioritize sleep.
Nutrition is absolutely key,like if you're feeling crap.
The chances are you're notgetting enough nutrients and
you're not fueling your bodywith the right kind of foods.
So doing a bit of a food auditis good, like what are you
eating every day?
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You're getting enough of thosegood fats which you know?
Our brain is fat, our bodyneeds fat.
So avocados, olive oil, goodextra virgin olive oil,
macadamias, walnuts you know allthat kind of stuff, that fatty
fish and making sure we'regetting enough fiber and we're
getting good quality protein andour veggies, obviously.
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So just making sure if you'refueling your body with the right
foods.
That is step one, you know is.
Is that?
So sleeping well and eatingwell and gut health really
important?
Often if we're feeling sluggish, low energy, even anxious and
not good, like our gut healthhas something going on with our
microbiome.
(24:18):
Again, you can test that.
But if you haven't got thefunds to test it, I think just
doing making sure you're eatingprebiotic foods, take probiotics
for a month and then stop.
Just make sure you're gettingthat good bacteria into your gut
is really important and that'sobviously linked.
Take probiotics for a month andthen stop just make sure you're
getting that good bacteria intoyour gut is really important
and that's obviously linked toour mental health as well there
are so many kind of pieces ofadvice out there.
Jo (24:42):
A lot of the, I guess and I think this is part of our
discussion where you said youknow a lot of you didn't think
you're a biohacker, becauseoften they are older white men
who lead very differentlifestyles and or they're you
know elite athletes who areolympians and they're the ones
saying this is how you biohackto get that gold medal.
But when you're a woman withtwo kids working full-time it
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can be hard to step into that.
Where do you think biohackinghas sort of let women down or
where is the advice not landed?
Camilla (25:11):
yeah, look, 100, and I think this is something I've
been trying to talk about alittle bit in the media here in
Australia is it's this very maletech bro, millionaires,
billionaires, spending millionsa year to reverse their age.
And you know, it's fascinatingwhat they're doing, the Brian
Johnson's of this world Like.
It is absolutely fascinating,but it's completely not
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accessible and unrealistic forjust us normal people so, and
particularly women, right,because we're juggling so many
multiple responsibilities andall these invisible loads as
well.
And most studies have been doneon men and a lot of the studies
have been done on women, havebeen done on very weird groups
of women over a certain age'snot really translatable, um,
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doesn't really translate to tous.
So we are not little men, um,which we have been referred to a
lot in the past.
So I think it's for women.
It's about intuition.
You know, I look back to me whenI'm working in my burnout story
and how I had no intuition.
I was completely disconnectedfrom my body, I didn't realize I
was sick.
How I had no intuition.
I was completely disconnectedfrom my body, I didn't realize I
was sick.
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How did I not know that?
How was I blaming mercury andretrograde for feeling heavy,
anyway.
But I think just really gettingstuck into your own body and
being intuitive is important.
But women have been let downbecause, you know, fasting can
look different for womendepending on their cycle.
Ice baths, you know, if womenare running high cortisol in
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certain parts of their cycle,like it's not advisable for them
to be doing that.
So I think we can't just goboldly ahead and just follow
what mainstream kind of men aretelling us to do.
There are some wonderful womenin the US that are kind of
championing biohacking for women, and I've got a beautiful
colleague that I work with, azraup in the Gold Coast, who's got
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a brand called Biohack Her andshe specifically targets women.
I talk about women in my bookas well, and I talk about
biohacking for men and women anddifferent generations as well,
because it looks different forthe millennials and the gen z's
and gen x and the boomers.
So, um, yeah, I think for womenwe really need to.
Hormones is key.
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I think a lot of us have gotdisrupted hormones because the
amount of stress we're under isimpacting our cortisol levels.
It's impacting, you know, whichis impacting our estrogen, our
progesterone, and we're alsoexposed to 168 chemicals a day
on average women, which isinsane.
Yeah, so that's disrupting ourwhole endocrine system, so our
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hormones.
So there's a reason why womenare not feeling great.
So that's why biohacking is soimportant for women, because we
have to stand up and takecontrol.
We need to be empowered tofight, particularly for things
like perimenopause, where you gointo a gp and they tell you
everything's fine I thishappened to me last year.
I went in and said here are mysymptoms I'm ropeable, I feel
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like someone's burgled my body.
I don't even know who I amanymore I'm crying for days on
end, like I.
Just this is horrendous, likenight sweats and, you know,
anxiety through the roof, mychest pumping, waking up in the
night like I was gonna have aheart attack.
Something's not right.
Go to the gp, do your bloods.
Everything's fine, come back insix months, but if you haven't
had a period, I'm like no, no,no, something's not right, you
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know, and you have to fight.
It's insane.
So I think, for women, we'vegot to find our voice and if
something doesn't feel right, weneed to absolutely explore that
and we need to, you know, getsupport and get community
support if we can, you know,talk to other women and find out
, you know, how we can supporteach other.
Jo (28:44):
It's definitely a big part.
I know myself and many otherwomen that have had either
ourselves or family have hadunusual, let's say, symptoms or,
you know, outside of theconventional system.
You know I've had children thatbroken arms.
Really easy you can see it'sbroken, do an x-ray, put it back
together and you're done.
But too often women's they'renot click cut, they're not
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cookie cutter and everybody'sjourney is so unique.
So you're right, we do have tomake sure we've got the energy
and I know for so many womenlike I just don't have the
energy for that.
I don't have the time to find,I don't have the time to ask
questions and go to specialist,start for specialist, where, if
a woman's feeling that way,going whether it's, you know,
I'm being in all my GP aroundperimenopause huge issue, or
(29:26):
I've got issues that I'm justbeing, you know, passed from
doctor to doctor, apart fromfinding a community and reading
your book, what else would yousuggest?
Camilla (29:34):
they do look.
I think finding a women'sspecialist, naturopath or
functional doctor is reallyimportant.
So you do need someone to findout what's going on like.
I think there's so manyinvisible threats to women, so
really important that we do tryand find someone that can help
us.
Like Australian MenopauseCentre were amazing for me, I
(29:55):
think there's um wellfam isanother one.
There's some great places thatwe can go to, but and also just
finding and asking friends ifthey do have a decent gp, like
there are some some really greatgps out there that actually are
a bit more curious and a bitmore open to exploring other
stuff.
But ultimately we shouldn't.
You know, I've got this with alot of my girlfriends who are
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over 40 now and some who areover 50, but who are like, oh, I
feel so old, I've got no energy.
You know, I feel crap and it'slike we shouldn't.
We shouldn't like there's.
You know, yes, there's going tobe days of the month where we
don't feel amazing, you know,with our cycle and what's going
on, but most of the time weshouldn't.
If we're eating right, we'resleeping right, we're exercising
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, you know we're, we've got theright mindset, we're not going
into martyrdom, and this isanother thing.
You know, as moms, we can bemartyrs, like, well, there's no
time for me, how am I going todo that when I've got to do that
?
And it's like we have toprioritize time for ourselves.
We have to not be the victim.
I was a victim for many years.
You know why is this allhappening to me?
(31:00):
And you know, I've reframed allthat now and I'm like, well,
this was a gift actually,because it's you know, this is
now my story, and I think, aswomen, we can become martyrs,
especially when we've got kids,that we don't have time for
ourselves and we just have tomake that happen, whatever that
looks like.
You know, I, when my kids wereyounger, my lunch break was
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sacred.
I had one hour.
I couldn't do anything beforework or after work, and my one
hour I would always go for awalk.
You know, I'd go for a walkaround Centennial Park or I'd go
and do something for myself inthat one hour.
I took that lunch hour and thatwas my way of self-care.
So it's just finding time,prioritizing time.
We can spend an hour scrollingon our phone or we could go and
(31:48):
do something a little bit morepositive.
Jo (31:51):
Yeah, I completely agree, and I don't have enough time.
I think would be the number onecomplaint of women who were
feeling burnt out and exhausted.
And I challenged any one ofthem and I said you don't have
enough time?
Give me your phone, let's openup the screen time app together
and see how much time you'reactually spending there.
And then they start going intoa ball and going don't do that,
(32:13):
so there is time.
Camilla (32:20):
I love it.
Joey, that is awesome.
I am actually going to stealthat now.
I'm going to nick that.
That is brilliant.
But it's so true and it's likethree hours 27 minutes on your
phone and it's like, well, therewas clearly time to do other
stuff.
I talk about biohacking,stacking or habit stacking and
trying to find ways that.
I talk about biohacking,stacking or habit stacking, and
trying to find ways that you canstill do stuff yourself,
whether or not.
It's like you know runningwhilst you're pushing your
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jogging, whilst you're pushingyour pram, or going on a bike
ride with your kids, or doingsomething where you're also
getting a benefit.
You're hanging out with yourkids but you're also getting
some exercise.
Or you know walking meetingwhere you can go.
Actually, let's just jump on aphone call for half an hour and
we can walk and talk and thenyou feel like you've had some
exercise.
So I think we just for women, wehave to be much more kind of
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alert onto where are thesesudden pockets of time that we
can take and we just have totake them and go.
No, I'm gonna I'm actuallygonna do something for myself,
but you know the amount of womenI speak to.
I'm like, when was the lasttime you had a massage?
You know when was the last timeyou did something for yourself
and I talk about self-careSaturdays or self-care Sundays
once a month, take half a day,half a self-care Saturday, half
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a self-care Sunday, whicheverday works, you know if you've
got to get someone to help withthe kids or your partner can
support you, or whatever, andtake, even if it's two, three
hours, just to say, once a monthI am off and I'm doing a
self-care Saturday.
So we just have to haveboundaries.
Jo (33:41):
You've got to be stronger yeah, I'm with you on the
martyrdom thing.
That's a very big trend wherepart of the reason that women
don't put themselves firstwhether it's not going to the
doctor, not investing inthemselves, not allocating the
time is because they thinkeveryone else is more important.
(34:03):
So the more we see thiscontinual trend, the more you
put yourself first, whetherthat's investing in a naturopath
, your health, your wellness,your mindset, your emotional
health finding a coach, whateversupport it is that you need,
then everything's just betterand I'm sure everybody's got the
best instead of coaching isgreat.
Camilla (34:23):
You know, like I've coached a lot of women who are
high achievers um, you know, bigjobs haven't been able to find
time for themselves.
But once you start doing anaudit through your diary and
your life and I, you know, Iwant to know every single thing
they do, from the moment theywake up to the moment they go to
bed, and we're looking at okay,well, how do we layer something
in, how do we find where we canpop some hacks in so we can do
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it?
It is possible, but it's hard,like particularly single moms if
you've got kids and you don'thave family support.
You know it is really tricky.
But when you're in arelationship and it's a man and
a woman or a woman and a woman,whatever it is, man and man you
can support each other.
You know, there's no reason whyyou have to carry all the loads
and often women will say, well,if I don't do it, no one else
will, or I do it better, or it'seasier if I do it myself, so
(35:09):
you don't allow other people todo stuff, and it's like,
actually, just, you know, backoff a bit and let someone else
step in, and then you can createsome space for yourself Singing
from the same song sheet I do.
Jo (35:20):
When you come into my program, you do a time audit and
we have a load on the mentalload.
We have an entire mode on themental load.
So this should all sound veryAbsolutely Well.
Camilla, thank you for joiningus today.
I think some beautiful hintsand tips for women and really
important messages around notbeing the martyr around.
(35:43):
You know some really basic,cost-effective, time-effective
hacks they can do.
If you could leave everyonewith one parting hack, that's,
let's say, can fit within a fiveor ten minute window while
you're waiting to pick up thekids, or you know, when you'd
ordinarily just pick up yourphone, what's one thing you'd
love to leave them if they wantto do this one thing, so I'll
give you one thing, and then Iforgot to mention something else
(36:05):
which might be good as well,but, um, so my one thing is my
plant hack.
Camilla (36:09):
So plants need sunshine , vitamin d, they need water,
hydration and they need air inorder to thrive and grow, and so
do we as humans.
So just five minutes of sitting, getting a bit of sunshine,
doing a bit of breath work,drinking some water and
hydrating properly, that isgoing to help charge your
battery back up.
(36:29):
So just taking five minutes nophones, no screens, and just
having five minutes just to bein your body and connecting with
your senses, it is literallylike a recharge.
So, yeah, that I think isreally important is just taking
five minutes of stillness.
Benefit if you can get a bit ofvitamin D and hydration.
And a good hack with hydrationas well is to add a bit of
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Celtic sea salt into your water.
Our bodies are like the ocean,so we actually respond really
well to water and salt, but likesaline drips when we were
dehydrated or we need to gethydration that way.
So just Celtic sea salt isprobably one of the best salts.
You can just put a sprinkle inyour water bottle and it's going
to help you hydrate a bitbetter.
(37:12):
And the last thing I was goingto say, if any, I am doing a
retreat for women in Septemberin Bali, which is a biohacking
retreat.
So if anyone is into all ofthis and they want a bit of a
reset, it's a Revivo Wellness,which is stunning and new to do
it.
So, yes, and it will be allthings women and hormones and
biohacking.
We're doing all the testing.
They've got a longevity clinicthere, so it's a good place to
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start.
If you want to, yeah, go andlearn all of this and actually
set up a bit of a plan amazing.
Jo (37:41):
So, apart from the retreat, where else can they find out
more information about you andyour book and, uh, your story
and how you help people?
Camilla (37:47):
oh, okay so wwwbiohackmecomau is my website.
You can get a free biohackingguide on there.
So if you go on the website,just whack in your details and
you'll get a full guide.
You can also see a link for mybook on there.
It's on Amazon on pre-order andpre-sale at the moment, so it's
a good time to buy.
And yeah, I do
Jo (38:06):
one-on-one
Camilla (38:06):
coaching programs as well.
A bit like you and mine are allaround sort of called
Supercharge your Life, so it'svery much about future-proofing
your health and longevity andhealth span Beautiful.
Jo (38:16):
Well, we'll put all the links to those in the show notes
.
Go and grab your biohackingguide.
And I guess, a word of warningwatch out for some of that bro
stuff and make sure you'regetting things that are relevant
for women and for your life.
So, camilla, thank you forjoining us.
Bring on the feminine energyAwesome.
Thanks for coming.
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let's take a breath and diveright in.
Welcome to Balance and Beyond.
Today, I'm joined by CamillaThompson, who is a trailblazer
in biohacking, an executivecoach and the author of Biohack
Me Me, and also one of us, a mumof two with a burnout story and
(00:47):
a health story.
So today she's here to help usunderstand what is actually
going on with our bodies and howwe can, as women, really step
into our best lives, which, ofcourse, includes best health and
energy.
Welcome, Camilla, thank you,it's wonderful to be here.
Health and energy.
Welcome, Camilla.
Thank you, it's wonderful to behere.
Why don't we start off?
(01:12):
You've had an interestingjourney that mimics that of many
of women who are listening tothis podcast and come into our
world.
Why don't you tell us a littlebit about where did your journey
towards biohacking begin?
Camilla (01:19):
Yes.
So look, there's sort of threekey pivotal points in my life
that sort of put me on this path.
But I guess it started at avery young age.
I grew up with a mom who was abit of a hippie, very
progressive thinker.
She, you know, our house waslow tox, no chemicals, food came
from local farms.
We weren't allowed sugar.
So we were, you know, I reallyset my blueprint for health from
(01:42):
an early age.
Obviously I rebelled a lot whenI was a teenager and ate Maccas
and all the rest of it and lotsof sugar and alcohol, all those
things.
But I came back to that, sothat was always been instilled
and my mom taught me so much.
And it's funny there's so manythings that are coming out in
the last couple of years thatshe was talking about, you know,
20, 30, 40 years ago.
(02:02):
So yeah, that's where it allsort of started for me.
I call her the OG biohackerbecause she was.
She's one of the originals.
But look, there's sort of threethings that happened when I had
my first son, ollie, in London.
He's 22 now.
I had an awful labor, two days,very traumatic.
They couldn't get him out, youknow, suction caps, forceps.
(02:23):
His poor little head was somisshapen I had two epidurals,
pethidine.
He was stuck.
So we ended up going with aspinal tap, which shouldn't work
, then a general anesthetic andthen I went under general.
I went under general and had anemergency cesarean section.
So it was two days of hell.
Apparently I sounded likesomething from the Exorcist,
(02:44):
according to some of my friends.
But eventually we got him outand he was healthy, thank God,
because his heart rate had gonedown and stuff as well.
So it was a bit of a panic toget him out.
But I thought I'd had a caraccident.
I had no idea I'd had a babyand they sort of said, oh,
(03:05):
you've had a beautiful baby boyand I hadn't held him for hours.
So our bonding was reallystrained.
It was London, it was miserable,it was winter.
I didn't recover very well andI just got more and more
depressed and I was crying a lotand Ollie had colic and he was
crying.
He was really unsettled.
His poor little head was somisshapen and ended up getting
craniosacral therapy on him whenhe was a little bit older
because I was so worried aboutthe damage to his head.
(03:26):
But um, we were both struggling.
Anyway, we moved to Australiawhen he was a year old and I
didn't really know anyone here.
So then I was suddenly inanother country with a baby and
my partner working all the time.
So I got diagnosed withpostnatal depression quite late,
um, and so 22 years ago therewasn't the support that there is
now and there wasn't't theconversations that we have now
and that that community tosupport you.
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Like I did feel very alone.
I got put on some SSRIs to helpwith the depression, but they
didn't really work for me.
I think I was on the wrong onesand again they've developed
them so much now, whereas backin the day they weren't.
You know, I was on the wrongone.
(04:08):
So I came it because I it, Iput on lots of weight, I
couldn't get out of bed, like itwas just it wasn't a good time.
I was already feeling so crapand then it was sort of
compounding this sort of lostall joy and hope and and um, it
was really tough.
So I came off the SSRIs and hada complete breakdown like my
emotions, like I couldn't stopcrying.
I ended up finding myselfwalking into a Chinese Buddhist
place in Rose Bay, anacupuncture guy, and he sort of
(04:32):
sat there and held my hands andI sobbed and I was like I don't
know what to do and he just laidme on this bed and he jabbed
loads of needles on me, gave methese black and these funky sort
of herbs, and I kept comingback and, week after week, I got
better and I started healingand I started getting in nature
and I started eating better andI could get out of bed in the
morning and I just I found joyand you know, we managed to heal
(04:54):
um.
I realized that this, you know,my little boy needed his mom
and I'd been so, you know,distant, just trying to.
You know, I felt like I feltlike a complete failure as a mom
, like I was like, why is thisnot working?
You know, I was 26, 27 yearsold, felt young, I was just like
this.
I'm not good at this, um, so itwas a really tough time.
(05:14):
So, anyway, that was my firstexperience with some traditional
Chinese medicine and learningother ways to heal the body.
Um, I guess another one is Iworked in corporate media for
many years and, realperfectionist, pushed myself
really hard, juggling two youngboys.
I'd left my partner at the time.
So I was in massively insurvival mode, having to
(05:36):
financially support two boys onmy own for a good couple of
years, and I just pushed reallyhard.
I was the only really.
One other person had childrenin the agency and I was the only
other person with young kids,so I was overcompensating.
It's like you know I'm justbecause I'm a mom doesn't mean I
can't do what you guys do.
I'll just superwoman.
So push, push, push had to bethe best.
You know terrible perfectionism, you know I've worked on that
(06:00):
so much over the years of thosefeelings of not feeling good
enough and what I was, you knowthe overcompensation to achieve
all the time to give you thosefeelings of worth and suffering
from high functioning anxiety.
So on the outside I was likesuperwoman power, I've got this,
I'm all over this, I'm highperforming.
And on the inside I was, youknow, just crippled with self
(06:22):
doubt and anxiety and, you know,really negative inner critic.
So this resulted in me justworking too much.
I knew I wasn't feeling verywell but I just kept going to
work, push, push, push and Iwent into a fever at work, went
to the doctors and they werelike you've got a kidney
infection.
Here's some antibiotics Within24 hours.
(06:44):
If you don't feel any better,come back well within 24 hours.
I was in A&E and I woke up inA&E the next day in the ward and
they said you know, you've youhad sepsis.
And he said if you'd gone tobed?
The doctor said if you'd goneto bed last night, you possibly
well potentially would have goneinto a coma because you were
that sick.
Two days before that I'd beenat work.
(07:04):
Really bad wake-up call.
Jo (07:09):
I read.
Camilla (07:10):
Dr Libby's book, the Rushing Woman in hospital and I
was like, ah, she's written thisbook for me.
Every page.
I was like this is me.
What have I done to myself?
What have I?
Why have I been doing this?
And so disconnected from my bodyand how I was feeling and my
intuition that something waswrong, I was blaming on full
moons and Mercury was inretrograde, I was like I feel
(07:31):
really heavy.
No, you're actually ill, you'vegot an infection, but anyway.
So that was a big wake up calland that sort of got me onto a
path.
I started working in mentalhealth and well-being.
I set up a business business.
I co-founded it with my exbusiness partner and, yeah, I
guess my final thing that got meinto biohacking, which we share
(07:52):
here in common, is mold.
So eight years living in mold inRose Bay um, funnily enough,
they think that I got really badafter I had the sepsis and that
the mold got in because my weak, my immune system, was so
weakened.
But yeah, I spent years goingback and forth to doctors,
immune system issues, my eyes toswell up and weep.
(08:14):
I was constantly dehydrated,creaking bones like an old woman
, anxiety through the roof, andjust felt like, yeah, just felt
terrible all the time, like Iwas on a permanent hangover and
I wasn't drinking.
So eventually I was sort oflike in bed, wasn't well?
One of my friends came over tomy house and she'd been working
(08:34):
in mold remediation for quite awhile in Sydney and she said,
camilla, you've got moldeverywhere.
It was in my bed, it was in mybedside cabinets.
We'd had water damage in acupboard.
It had spread like it was.
We had an old house.
It was in every room.
It was in my home office hadblack mold all hidden.
It was hidden everywhere andnot everyone was sick in the
(08:57):
house.
My younger son had healthissues, but my older son was
fine and my husband.
So yeah, it was really hard towork out what was going on there
and that our home was making ussick.
So, conventional medicine theydon't know about mold GPs.
Unfortunately it's not theirfault.
They've had no training.
(09:17):
They don't know how to diagnose, they don't know how to treat.
So you have to take control ofyour health and you have to
start doing things as you knowto heal your body, because no
one else is going to do it foryou and there's no magic drug
that's going to work to fix it.
So that's what kind of got meinto doing loads of crazy
different biohacking stuff totry and get well from mold.
So yeah, that's kind of mystory as to why I'm here Amazing
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Thanks for sharing.
Jo (09:44):
And Kimberley and I were talking before this podcast.
I realized I think I'm also abiohacker.
I've got this gadget and I dothis and, wow, I just it's an
identity I'd never, I guess,given to myself, and I know you
had a similar journey.
It was just these things tendto start incrementally.
You don't wake up one day andgo I'm a biohacker as a woman.
You go with I've got thisproblem, I need to solve it, I
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need to be well.
Camilla (10:13):
And then we start taking steps right.
Yeah, and it's so hard being awoman because there's so many
other factors, so it's verydifficult, like hormones, like
you know, stress levels, themental load, all those invisible
loads we're carrying, and it'svery hard to pinpoint what's
making you sick, or if you'rejust tired or you know.
I mean I've got gas litcompletely by doctors who said
it's all in your head.
You know, even a kinesiologistsaid to me oh, I think you're
just choosing to be sick.
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And I was like why would Ichoose to be sick?
I don't want to be sick.
So it's really hard.
And my husband didn't believeme for ages and the hat we found
mold in the house.
He was still not convinced thatthat was what was wrong with me
until we got the bloods and Iwas like here it is in black and
white.
He couldn't believe it.
So it's it's very lonely timeas well when you're.
(10:56):
You kind of don't have acommunity.
I think there's some greatgroups now and communities you
can join, so you feel part ofsomething which has its
positives and negativessometimes it is.
Jo (11:07):
I think you put your finger on something there.
As women, we're so used topushing through and putting
ourselves last that it isdifficult to know.
Am I just not tough enough?
Do I just need to suck it upand?
Uh, you know, just try a littlebit harder and if, when I get
through the list, then I'll bookthat doctor's appointment.
That's a prevailing thought,unfortunately, amongst many
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women listening to this podcast.
Camilla (11:31):
We always deprioritize ourself and I think the one
thing that when I had thatsignificant burnout with sepsis,
I was just determined that I'dbe the top of my to-do list
every day and I was like there'sno way that I'm putting work in
front of my health, my children, you know, and I missed out on
time with my kids because I wasworking all the time and you
(11:52):
know, and we get stuck insurvival mode as women and we're
just so used to running oncortisol and adrenaline and our
body is just yeah, it's a lot.
And then our immune system isimpacted every month with our
hormones more to immune, morewomen suffer from mold issues
because of our immune system.
Jo (12:12):
I mean, it does happen to men, but not as frequently it's
just interesting for context, wealso sold our house because of
a mold issue.
And my husband also didn't thinkit was that much of a deal, big
deal.
Okay, I hear that all the time.
Yeah, I was the one he's like.
You're just being a bitdramatic, you know I would every
.
We had black mold growing inour wardrobe, which was right
near our bedroom, and mydaughter was constantly sick.
(12:34):
All the family had healthissues and no one could put a
finger on it.
And it was only when I went andjust like this is going to cost
a fortune, but I came and got amold assessment done because it
was after Sydney gets a lot ofrain.
I was after one of thoseperiods of rain like, okay, we,
we have to do something aboutthis.
I'm just going to get someonein and see if there's a problem.
And it turns out my daughter'sbedroom was branded
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uninhabitable.
Camilla (12:58):
Yes, same as my humans yeah, same as my sons.
It was so bad, the readingswere so high.
Within 24 hours we were told wecouldn't live in our house.
You had to, we had to get outand everything we owned was
contaminated.
So it's like going through anatural disaster you lose your
home, all your belongings, butyou're also sick, like it's.
It's really traumatic.
(13:19):
Um, I came up with PTMD, whichis post-traumatic mold disorder,
and I'm like it's a thing andyou know we've been through it,
but it's yeah.
Jo (13:28):
Well, we then and there decided to sell our house.
It was like we were going torenovate and as part of the
renovations I've gone.
Well, if we've got mold, let mefind out how to rectify it when
we do the renovation so I canfix it.
But it was going to be upwardsof two hundred thousand dollars
to put in the fans and refit.
It was in the air conditioningvents and and I've gone.
I don't, I'm not paying that.
I could buy a new house withthat money.
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So, literally within the spaceof two hours, like we have to
leave this house.
Camilla (13:54):
Oh, and your daughter it's.
And I just, I felt suchincredible guilt as well with my
son because, um, the school wassaying, oh, he's not
concentrating in class, and thefootball, his football team, was
saying he's just not runninglike he used to, he's not
focused, he's not, as you know,he doesn't seem to be as active
and energized as he used to be,and he kept getting sores on his
lips.
And, um, I just thought I don'tknow what.
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I thought I, I just because itnot all of us were sick.
And this is the thing like, only25 of the population had the
gene, the mold gene, which isthe hla, dr or dq part of the
celiac um sequence, genesequence, and that means we
can't get rid of mold.
So it means we inhale it and we, and that means we can't get
rid of mold, so it means weinhale it and we just can't bind
it and get rid of it.
And so my son and I both havethat and but my, you know, you
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just don't know it's so hard,your home is making you ill and
what are?
It's such a scary, it's so veryfearful.
Like I, I spent years living infear, going to people's houses
and thinking I was going to getsick again.
Jo (14:52):
I don't know if you had a similar experience, but yeah, we
sold our house and we'reactually headed to a clinic in
Norway I've mentioned this toyou before where I was sick of
all our issues here.
My husband had a Rolodex ofspecialists and no one was
actually getting to the core ofit.
It's like stuff.
This I'm not taking.
One daughter couldn't getdiagnoses or anything.
(15:12):
So I knew that this clinic inNorway was very much an
intuitive hit.
We're going to Norway.
This we literally.
I actually sent my husband anddaughter the first week after
lockdown, after borders opened.
I sent them to Norway notknowing anything about the
clinic, just knowing where theyhad to go.
And then this was anotherintuitive hunch At I had to go.
And then this was anotherintuitive hunch at the end of
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2022, we'd actually booked atrip to Thailand and I said we
need to go to Norway.
My husband's gone, we've justpaid for Thailand.
We're not going to Norway, likewe need to go to Norway.
And that trip saved all of ourlives and my there's a pretty
good chance my husband wouldn'tbe here right now if we hadn't
gone and worked out while wewere down how sick was he.
So so he was, he was mold stuff, but his was a whole range of
other things.
He had heart issues, digestiveissues, insulin issues,
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inflammation issue, you name itbut the mold was just
exacerbating and taking anyability for his immune system to
heal himself of his otherchallenges.
So we actually never let thekids go back in.
After we left and went toNorway and had red light therapy
and a whole range of healingson a range of different things,
we never let the kids come backinto the house and I went back
in with a mask to clean it forsale.
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So same I had.
Camilla (16:23):
I had to do everything.
I had to go through all of ourstuff and try and save what I
could.
But I mean there's pictures ofme in full hazmat and masks and
having to go back in and we hadto leave our cat at the house
for a bit because we couldn'trehouse the cat, because we had
nowhere to live and our catlived on its own for a little
while but I had to go and feedher every day.
(16:43):
But it was like going back intothat house and it was and just
realizing that you were livingin that environment.
I was working in it all dayfrom home and then sleeping in
it literally in my bed and it'sthere's a sense of relief that
you finally know what's wrongwith you.
But you know it's the cost.
Like I mean, I know I spenttens of thousands trying to get
well, that was money that wedidn't actually have.
(17:06):
Like a lot of it was on, youknow, credit cards and then
paying it off and all thesupplements and the treatments
and I'm privileged that I coulddo that.
There's so many people livingin social housing and disability
housing and retirement homesand people that can't afford to
heal themselves.
It's a crisis.
Jo (17:26):
So where would you recommend somebody start?
Whether they're dealing withmold issues or they're just
exhausted at bottom where youwere, whether it's still
recovering from childbirth orjust complete burnout, there's a
million and one pieces ofadvice out there.
If you're thinking aboutsomeone who's overwhelmed, where
would you suggest they start?
Camilla (17:46):
Look, I mean I'm a big being a biohacker.
We're all about data and we'reall about testing, and so my
thing would be to get the righttesting done.
So to if you think you mighthave mold, you've been living in
mold or you might have beenexposed to mold, is to do a
urine test.
The blood tests are okay, butthe urine test is more reliable,
so I would look at doingdifferent testing that you can
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do to find out what's going on.
Unfortunately, you can't dothis stuff for your GP, so again
you're in that situation whereyou have to pay for a functional
doctor or a naturopath, but ithas to be key is finding out
what's going on with you.
Jo (18:23):
What if there's?
Maybe they don't suspect mold,if they're just, you know,
exhausted.
Like what other biohacks wouldyou suggest?
Because you know people talkabout cold therapy, they talk
about sleeping more, they talkabout supplements, like what?
What's the kind of generic,kind of biohacking tips?
Camilla (18:37):
Well, I think it's.
I've got my biohacking basics,so I've got just a bit of a
framework.
So I think it's focusing onthose foundational pieces and
going okay.
So let me look at all of thesefoundations and I'll talk about
them in a minute and let mereally sort of put as much as I
can into optimize each of thoseareas, and if you still feel
like crap afterwards, thenyou're probably going to go.
Okay, I need to go.
(18:57):
I mean, I would suggest gettingfull bloods done anyway and
getting a really good bloodpanel and hormone panel for
women, like the Dutch test isamazing.
Unfortunately, if you go to thedoctors and just get bloods,
you're not going to get a goodhormone panel.
So, dutch test.
So, again coming back totesting, but if you, if you
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can't do the testing and youjust go, okay, I just need to
start with stuff.
Obviously, sleep is number one.
That's when we repair, weregenerate, that's when the body
has a chance to, you know, dowhat it needs to do so that we
can heal.
So I think that's key.
Don't compromise your sleep.
Have it as a non-negotiable.
You know we're so distractednow.
We've got Netflix and Stan andall these things that are, you
know, keeping us from going tobed at a decent time because
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we're like just one more episodeor we're on our phone scrolling
, having a non-negotiable goingto bed at a decent time so you
can get a good sleep.
I was reading some research theother day actually about the
length of sleep and going tosleep.
I know we always used to say anhour before midnight is what
you need for better sleep, butthere is actually some science
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behind that on the differentstages of sleep and when, as we
know, we go into REM and deepand all these different stages
of sleep and different thingshappen at those different stages
.
So really trying to get tosleep by about 10, 10.30 is
ideal.
You know, going to bed at 9,9.30 and then up early to rise
is ideal, but that depends onyour chronotype, like some
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people are night owls and that'snot gonna work for them, right?
So again, it's being intuitiveand using bio-individuality on
what works for you and what yourrhythm is.
But sleep is number one.
Some good hacks around sleep aremagnesium.
If you're not taking magnesium,it's an absolute winner.
We absorb it better orally orthrough cream, and through our
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feet is actually, randomly, thebest place.
Get someone to rub magnesiumcream on your feet place.
Get someone to rub magnesiumcream on your feet, but Epsom
salt baths, things like that andyou can get some really good
night magnesium.
You know powders, ethicalnutrients, bioceticals those
guys do some pretty good onesthat you can get over the
counter in a little bit of waterand that's really going to help
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with your nervous system andsleep and restless leg and all
that kind of stuff.
Most of us are magnesiumdeficient, so it's a bit of a
no-brainer magnesium.
I like things like, you know,silk eye mask or an eye mask.
It's just a way of training thebrain as well that it's time to
sleep.
As soon as you put that mask on, you kind of rewire your brain
and it's a signal to go to sleep.
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So also it's great for wrinkles, which is good.
It sort of rewires and signalsto the brain it's time for sleep
and it helps block the light.
So that's a really great hackfor sleeping and not expensive.
I've got a honey hack as well.
So when we're sleeping ourbrain is still really active.
You know, we think we're justsort of dead to the world, but
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we're not.
The brain's going, all sorts isgoing on and it uses glycogen
from our liver as its energysource to keep firing up and
doing what it's doing, and oftenit's at two, three am.
That glycogen store is gone andso we wake up.
We've got surges of cortisol,adrenaline.
But also the brain is lookingfor an energy source.
So honey actually tricks andmimics the glycogen.
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So it's got to be good qualityraw honey or manuka honey, but a
spoonful of honey.
The brain will use that as anenergy source.
So I have clients that aresleeping through the night just
from taking honey before bed.
Yeah, so if you're fasting likethen, maybe do it after dinner.
It's good for people the sweettooth, because it curbs that
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sweet tooth.
Um, there's got to be decent,like raw honey, not not the
squeezy cheap stuff, becausethat'll it after dinner.
It's good for people with asweet tooth because it curbs
that sweet tooth.
There's got to be decent, likeraw honey, not the squeezy cheap
stuff, because that'll justsend your blood glucose through
the roof.
Do not do that, please.
But yeah, so that's a reallygreat hack.
So your honey, your magnesium,eye masks, breath work, so that
really good yoga, diaphragmaticbreathing that actually flushes
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out cortisol and, you know,sends messages to the body.
It's time to sleep, rest, digest, you're safe.
Parasympathetic nervous systemactivates that vagus nerve.
So that's really important isto have those beautiful rituals.
And also, reading a book beforebed reduces our stress by 68%
if we read for at least sixminutes.
So definitely worth reading abook, one chapter, before bed
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rather than being on your phoneand whatever else.
So prioritize sleep.
Nutrition is absolutely key,like if you're feeling crap.
The chances are you're notgetting enough nutrients and
you're not fueling your bodywith the right kind of foods.
So doing a bit of a food auditis good, like what are you
eating every day?
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You're getting enough of thosegood fats which you know?
Our brain is fat, our bodyneeds fat.
So avocados, olive oil, goodextra virgin olive oil,
macadamias, walnuts you know allthat kind of stuff, that fatty
fish and making sure we'regetting enough fiber and we're
getting good quality protein andour veggies, obviously.
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So just making sure if you'refueling your body with the right
foods.
That is step one, you know is.
Is that?
So sleeping well and eatingwell and gut health really
important?
Often if we're feeling sluggish, low energy, even anxious and
not good, like our gut healthhas something going on with our
microbiome.
(24:18):
Again, you can test that.
But if you haven't got thefunds to test it, I think just
doing making sure you're eatingprebiotic foods, take probiotics
for a month and then stop.
Just make sure you're gettingthat good bacteria into your gut
is really important and that'sobviously linked.
Take probiotics for a month andthen stop just make sure you're
getting that good bacteria intoyour gut is really important
and that's obviously linked toour mental health as well there
are so many kind of pieces ofadvice out there.
Jo (24:42):
A lot of the, I guess and I think this is part of our
discussion where you said youknow a lot of you didn't think
you're a biohacker, becauseoften they are older white men
who lead very differentlifestyles and or they're you
know elite athletes who areolympians and they're the ones
saying this is how you biohackto get that gold medal.
But when you're a woman withtwo kids working full-time it
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can be hard to step into that.
Where do you think biohackinghas sort of let women down or
where is the advice not landed?
Camilla (25:11):
yeah, look, 100, and I think this is something I've
been trying to talk about alittle bit in the media here in
Australia is it's this very maletech bro, millionaires,
billionaires, spending millionsa year to reverse their age.
And you know, it's fascinatingwhat they're doing, the Brian
Johnson's of this world Like.
It is absolutely fascinating,but it's completely not
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accessible and unrealistic forjust us normal people so, and
particularly women, right,because we're juggling so many
multiple responsibilities andall these invisible loads as
well.
And most studies have been doneon men and a lot of the studies
have been done on women, havebeen done on very weird groups
of women over a certain age'snot really translatable, um,
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doesn't really translate to tous.
So we are not little men, um,which we have been referred to a
lot in the past.
So I think it's for women.
It's about intuition.
You know, I look back to me whenI'm working in my burnout story
and how I had no intuition.
I was completely disconnectedfrom my body, I didn't realize I
was sick.
How I had no intuition.
I was completely disconnectedfrom my body, I didn't realize I
was sick.
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How did I not know that?
How was I blaming mercury andretrograde for feeling heavy,
anyway.
But I think just really gettingstuck into your own body and
being intuitive is important.
But women have been let downbecause, you know, fasting can
look different for womendepending on their cycle.
Ice baths, you know, if womenare running high cortisol in
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certain parts of their cycle,like it's not advisable for them
to be doing that.
So I think we can't just goboldly ahead and just follow
what mainstream kind of men aretelling us to do.
There are some wonderful womenin the US that are kind of
championing biohacking for women, and I've got a beautiful
colleague that I work with, azraup in the Gold Coast, who's got
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a brand called Biohack Her andshe specifically targets women.
I talk about women in my bookas well, and I talk about
biohacking for men and women anddifferent generations as well,
because it looks different forthe millennials and the gen z's
and gen x and the boomers.
So, um, yeah, I think for womenwe really need to.
Hormones is key.
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I think a lot of us have gotdisrupted hormones because the
amount of stress we're under isimpacting our cortisol levels.
It's impacting, you know, whichis impacting our estrogen, our
progesterone, and we're alsoexposed to 168 chemicals a day
on average women, which isinsane.
Yeah, so that's disrupting ourwhole endocrine system, so our
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hormones.
So there's a reason why womenare not feeling great.
So that's why biohacking is soimportant for women, because we
have to stand up and takecontrol.
We need to be empowered tofight, particularly for things
like perimenopause, where you gointo a gp and they tell you
everything's fine I thishappened to me last year.
I went in and said here are mysymptoms I'm ropeable, I feel
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like someone's burgled my body.
I don't even know who I amanymore I'm crying for days on
end, like I.
Just this is horrendous, likenight sweats and, you know,
anxiety through the roof, mychest pumping, waking up in the
night like I was gonna have aheart attack.
Something's not right.
Go to the gp, do your bloods.
Everything's fine, come back insix months, but if you haven't
had a period, I'm like no, no,no, something's not right, you
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know, and you have to fight.
It's insane.
So I think, for women, we'vegot to find our voice and if
something doesn't feel right, weneed to absolutely explore that
and we need to, you know, getsupport and get community
support if we can, you know,talk to other women and find out
, you know, how we can supporteach other.
Jo (28:44):
It's definitely a big part.
I know myself and many otherwomen that have had either
ourselves or family have hadunusual, let's say, symptoms or,
you know, outside of theconventional system.
You know I've had children thatbroken arms.
Really easy you can see it'sbroken, do an x-ray, put it back
together and you're done.
But too often women's they'renot click cut, they're not
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cookie cutter and everybody'sjourney is so unique.
So you're right, we do have tomake sure we've got the energy
and I know for so many womenlike I just don't have the
energy for that.
I don't have the time to find,I don't have the time to ask
questions and go to specialist,start for specialist, where, if
a woman's feeling that way,going whether it's, you know,
I'm being in all my GP aroundperimenopause huge issue, or
(29:26):
I've got issues that I'm justbeing, you know, passed from
doctor to doctor, apart fromfinding a community and reading
your book, what else would yousuggest?
Camilla (29:34):
they do look.
I think finding a women'sspecialist, naturopath or
functional doctor is reallyimportant.
So you do need someone to findout what's going on like.
I think there's so manyinvisible threats to women, so
really important that we do tryand find someone that can help
us.
Like Australian MenopauseCentre were amazing for me, I
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think there's um wellfam isanother one.
There's some great places thatwe can go to, but and also just
finding and asking friends ifthey do have a decent gp, like
there are some some really greatgps out there that actually are
a bit more curious and a bitmore open to exploring other
stuff.
But ultimately we shouldn't.
You know, I've got this with alot of my girlfriends who are
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over 40 now and some who areover 50, but who are like, oh, I
feel so old, I've got no energy.
You know, I feel crap and it'slike we shouldn't.
We shouldn't like there's.
You know, yes, there's going tobe days of the month where we
don't feel amazing, you know,with our cycle and what's going
on, but most of the time weshouldn't.
If we're eating right, we'resleeping right, we're exercising
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, you know we're, we've got theright mindset, we're not going
into martyrdom, and this isanother thing.
You know, as moms, we can bemartyrs, like, well, there's no
time for me, how am I going todo that when I've got to do that
?
And it's like we have toprioritize time for ourselves.
We have to not be the victim.
I was a victim for many years.
You know why is this allhappening to me?
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And you know, I've reframed allthat now and I'm like, well,
this was a gift actually,because it's you know, this is
now my story, and I think, aswomen, we can become martyrs,
especially when we've got kids,that we don't have time for
ourselves and we just have tomake that happen, whatever that
looks like.
You know, I, when my kids wereyounger, my lunch break was
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sacred.
I had one hour.
I couldn't do anything beforework or after work, and my one
hour I would always go for awalk.
You know, I'd go for a walkaround Centennial Park or I'd go
and do something for myself inthat one hour.
I took that lunch hour and thatwas my way of self-care.
So it's just finding time,prioritizing time.
We can spend an hour scrollingon our phone or we could go and
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do something a little bit morepositive.
Jo (31:51):
Yeah, I completely agree, and I don't have enough time.
I think would be the number onecomplaint of women who were
feeling burnt out and exhausted.
And I challenged any one ofthem and I said you don't have
enough time?
Give me your phone, let's openup the screen time app together
and see how much time you'reactually spending there.
And then they start going intoa ball and going don't do that,
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so there is time.
Camilla (32:20):
I love it.
Joey, that is awesome.
I am actually going to stealthat now.
I'm going to nick that.
That is brilliant.
But it's so true and it's likethree hours 27 minutes on your
phone and it's like, well, therewas clearly time to do other
stuff.
I talk about biohacking,stacking or habit stacking and
trying to find ways that.
I talk about biohacking,stacking or habit stacking, and
trying to find ways that you canstill do stuff yourself,
whether or not.
It's like you know runningwhilst you're pushing your
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jogging, whilst you're pushingyour pram, or going on a bike
ride with your kids, or doingsomething where you're also
getting a benefit.
You're hanging out with yourkids but you're also getting
some exercise.
Or you know walking meetingwhere you can go.
Actually, let's just jump on aphone call for half an hour and
we can walk and talk and thenyou feel like you've had some
exercise.
So I think we just for women, wehave to be much more kind of
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alert onto where are thesesudden pockets of time that we
can take and we just have totake them and go.
No, I'm gonna I'm actuallygonna do something for myself,
but you know the amount of womenI speak to.
I'm like, when was the lasttime you had a massage?
You know when was the last timeyou did something for yourself
and I talk about self-careSaturdays or self-care Sundays
once a month, take half a day,half a self-care Saturday, half
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a self-care Sunday, whicheverday works, you know if you've
got to get someone to help withthe kids or your partner can
support you, or whatever, andtake, even if it's two, three
hours, just to say, once a monthI am off and I'm doing a
self-care Saturday.
So we just have to haveboundaries.
Jo (33:41):
You've got to be stronger yeah, I'm with you on the
martyrdom thing.
That's a very big trend wherepart of the reason that women
don't put themselves firstwhether it's not going to the
doctor, not investing inthemselves, not allocating the
time is because they thinkeveryone else is more important.
(34:03):
So the more we see thiscontinual trend, the more you
put yourself first, whetherthat's investing in a naturopath
, your health, your wellness,your mindset, your emotional
health finding a coach, whateversupport it is that you need,
then everything's just betterand I'm sure everybody's got the
best instead of coaching isgreat.
Camilla (34:23):
You know, like I've coached a lot of women who are
high achievers um, you know, bigjobs haven't been able to find
time for themselves.
But once you start doing anaudit through your diary and
your life and I, you know, Iwant to know every single thing
they do, from the moment theywake up to the moment they go to
bed, and we're looking at okay,well, how do we layer something
in, how do we find where we canpop some hacks in so we can do
(34:45):
it?
It is possible, but it's hard,like particularly single moms if
you've got kids and you don'thave family support.
You know it is really tricky.
But when you're in arelationship and it's a man and
a woman or a woman and a woman,whatever it is, man and man you
can support each other.
You know, there's no reason whyyou have to carry all the loads
and often women will say, well,if I don't do it, no one else
will, or I do it better, or it'seasier if I do it myself, so
(35:09):
you don't allow other people todo stuff, and it's like,
actually, just, you know, backoff a bit and let someone else
step in, and then you can createsome space for yourself Singing
from the same song sheet I do.
Jo (35:20):
When you come into my program, you do a time audit and
we have a load on the mentalload.
We have an entire mode on themental load.
So this should all sound veryAbsolutely Well.
Camilla, thank you for joiningus today.
I think some beautiful hintsand tips for women and really
important messages around notbeing the martyr around.
(35:43):
You know some really basic,cost-effective, time-effective
hacks they can do.
If you could leave everyonewith one parting hack, that's,
let's say, can fit within a fiveor ten minute window while
you're waiting to pick up thekids, or you know, when you'd
ordinarily just pick up yourphone, what's one thing you'd
love to leave them if they wantto do this one thing, so I'll
give you one thing, and then Iforgot to mention something else
(36:05):
which might be good as well,but, um, so my one thing is my
plant hack.
Camilla (36:09):
So plants need sunshine , vitamin d, they need water,
hydration and they need air inorder to thrive and grow, and so
do we as humans.
So just five minutes of sitting, getting a bit of sunshine,
doing a bit of breath work,drinking some water and
hydrating properly, that isgoing to help charge your
battery back up.
(36:29):
So just taking five minutes nophones, no screens, and just
having five minutes just to bein your body and connecting with
your senses, it is literallylike a recharge.
So, yeah, that I think isreally important is just taking
five minutes of stillness.
Benefit if you can get a bit ofvitamin D and hydration.
And a good hack with hydrationas well is to add a bit of
(36:52):
Celtic sea salt into your water.
Our bodies are like the ocean,so we actually respond really
well to water and salt, but likesaline drips when we were
dehydrated or we need to gethydration that way.
So just Celtic sea salt isprobably one of the best salts.
You can just put a sprinkle inyour water bottle and it's going
to help you hydrate a bitbetter.
(37:12):
And the last thing I was goingto say, if any, I am doing a
retreat for women in Septemberin Bali, which is a biohacking
retreat.
So if anyone is into all ofthis and they want a bit of a
reset, it's a Revivo Wellness,which is stunning and new to do
it.
So, yes, and it will be allthings women and hormones and
biohacking.
We're doing all the testing.
They've got a longevity clinicthere, so it's a good place to
(37:37):
start.
If you want to, yeah, go andlearn all of this and actually
set up a bit of a plan amazing.
Jo (37:41):
So, apart from the retreat, where else can they find out
more information about you andyour book and, uh, your story
and how you help people?
Camilla (37:47):
oh, okay so wwwbiohackmecomau is my website.
You can get a free biohackingguide on there.
So if you go on the website,just whack in your details and
you'll get a full guide.
You can also see a link for mybook on there.
It's on Amazon on pre-order andpre-sale at the moment, so it's
a good time to buy.
And yeah, I do
Jo (38:06):
one-on-one
Camilla (38:06):
coaching programs as well.
A bit like you and mine are allaround sort of called
Supercharge your Life, so it'svery much about future-proofing
your health and longevity andhealth span Beautiful.
Jo (38:16):
Well, we'll put all the links to those in the show notes
.
Go and grab your biohackingguide.
And I guess, a word of warningwatch out for some of that bro
stuff and make sure you'regetting things that are relevant
for women and for your life.
So, camilla, thank you forjoining us.
Bring on the feminine energyAwesome.
Thanks for coming.
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