Ep 207 - 'Feisty one you are!' The derby does not disappoint as Bears battle hard but Bath are a bit better - Bears Beyond The Gate

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SPEAKER_03 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Finn Russell and you're listening to Bears
Beyond the Gate podcast.

SPEAKER_02 (00:09):
You're listening to Bears Beyond the Gate, the
Crystal Bears podcast by FiveFans Four Fans with three
friends who love to love thegame and all things better.
In this episode we discussed the4015 defeat array.
A really compacted match withkey moments and momentum wings

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decided the result.
It was a proper mix-up and nodoubt reminiscent of Lee's
formative years growing up inVinnywood.
After the first Prem block offixtures, we listed in sixth
position with three wins out offive, and having already played
two of the more difficult awaygames.
As we enter the Prem Cup andonto Autumn International
Period, what does the next monthhold in store for us?

(00:52):
All this and more, I'm Pete, andI'm joined as usual by Miles and
Lee for a cheeky beer and a bitof rugby banter.
Well boys, we are in ourspiritual home.
It used to be the spiritual homeused to be your flat, didn't it?
And look where we are now.
I mean, as Tom Taton said, itwas like walking into the talk
sports studios.
We're all we've got headphoneson, we've got our like our

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microphone stands.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14):
It's it's quite intimate as well with the
lighting, isn't it?
I know we I mean for us, yeah,because none of us can really
see that well.
So it's it's a little bit toointimate lighting, but it's uh
it's it's a lovely setting,isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 (01:25):
And as and is as it's becoming known as the only
rugby podcast in a lock-in.
Yes.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31):
So we are as I think with a certainly smelly beer
carpet to match.

SPEAKER_04 (01:36):
Absolutely love it, just for those of Vienna flight.

SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
Of course.
And if there are any newlisteners joining us this week,
what we're talking about is thefact that we're at the Bristol
Beer Factory Taproom Studio Bar.
It is one of our it's theproduct of a massive sponsorship
deal that we have with theBristol Beer Factory.
They let us use their toilet,their toilets, and uh they trust
us to lock up and we mentionthem constantly.

SPEAKER_04 (02:02):
And I always get my money's worth of the toilets,
didn't I?

SPEAKER_02 (02:05):
Yeah.
Why wouldn't you?
Quality of the beer anyway.
Anyway, we digress.
So um, yeah, big game, big gameon Saturday.
It was the last game in thisblock.
Um, we all kind of had slightlydifferent match experiences.
So um Miles, where did you watchthe game?

SPEAKER_01 (02:19):
Uh on TV at home, just around the corner.

SPEAKER_02 (02:22):
Are you telling me that the the Duchess was away
again for a weekend?

SPEAKER_01 (02:26):
Partially, she I I feel a bit bad.
I told her I was gonna get homewith the kids and watch the game
from the start.
She rang me, and I still hadn'tand I'd missed the start of the
game.
Bust her gut, and I didapologise and was home 20
minutes later.

SPEAKER_02 (02:39):
What are you apologising for, Miles?
If she wants to watch the game,she could have come home.

SPEAKER_01 (02:44):
She did, she was away working, bless her, and I I
dragged well, let's see, uh thechildren have dragged me into
flipping the city centre to youknow waste half a day shopping.
I thought Miles was apologizingfor busting her gut, but I
obviously read that wrong.
Anyway, then we then then yeah,then we enjoyed each other's
company and and watch it onplayback and we watched the

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whole game together.

SPEAKER_04 (03:06):
So it's still better than my viewing.

SPEAKER_01 (03:08):
Yeah, so absolutely, mate.

SPEAKER_04 (03:09):
I had a an absolute nightmare.
Saturday, I I would I knew I wasgoing into work, but I thought,
well, it was one of those dayswhere I thought I'd probably be
finished by two o'clock, home bythree, showered, and a couple of
beers in front of me watchingthe game.
Um disappointed Miles didn'tinvite me around to his, but uh
there we go.
Well, in your overalls, not achance, mate.

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But uh yeah, I had a nightmare.
I had a I had a an afternoon ofliterally watching filler and
paint dry.
So um yeah, I I missed I missedthe whole game, um which seemed
to last for about a weekendanyway.
But um uh so I'm I'm relying onYouTube to fill me in with the

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in the gaps.
I I watched the highlightsobviously.

SPEAKER_02 (03:54):
I'm sure you'll be fine.
Um and then myself, I I managedto uh to get a ticket for the
game boys.
I actually went down.
Um it was uh well I was kind ofon pod media duties, okay, which
is a bit of a new thing.
Um it it sounds great, butbasically I I was in the worst
seat right in the corner uh withno cover and got absolutely

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soaked.
So that Bath Rugby looked afteryou then.

SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
Not really looked after, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (04:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (04:20):
When we're going back there again.
Well, I mean the only good thingwas actually we sorry to but we
should mention that, right?
This is a big thing for me.
A lot of the Bath supporters aresaying, where are the Bristol
fans?
Where are the Bristol fans?
Well, I'll tell you where theBristol fans were, they weren't
spending their hard-earned moneygoing to that shit all of a

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ground scaffolding to to sit ona bit of scaffolding in the
ring.
So if any Bath fans arelistening, Tommy Debs, I know
you'll be listening, probablyLloyd as well.

SPEAKER_02 (04:52):
Um we were watching it oh, apart from Pete, we were
watching it at home, watchingpaint dry, apart from me and
also Debs and Big Jim.
I do something.

SPEAKER_01 (05:03):
I I I I'm not entirely sure I ever want to pay
my hard-earned money to go andsit at the wreck and watch a
game.
But under the currentnon-stadium, I'm with you.

SPEAKER_02 (05:11):
I feel like I have to go devil's advocate here
because somebody did mentionthis to me.
Is is but the flip that roundand say, shouldn't money not be
an object if you want to go andsupport your team?

SPEAKER_04 (05:22):
And uh we we've all got season tickets.
So season cards, I should say.
So I think we do pay our money.
I mean you're just not gonnagive it to them.

SPEAKER_02 (05:30):
Yeah, I suppose you could argue you could target
Bath, you could save your money,you know, over the year.

SPEAKER_01 (05:36):
We went to you know proper rugby cub last week,
didn't we?

SPEAKER_02 (05:38):
I lost her and enjoyed it.
I mean, this is the thing,supporting a team is is uh well
I hate to say this becausethat's their strap line, it's
through thick and thin, isn'tit?
But um through through recessionand boom and bust if it comes
with with Brahm.
Anyway, let's move on, boys.
So we all we all saw the game inslightly different ways.
And as I said last week,slightly controversially, and
Lee got you got the hump with melast week.

(06:00):
What I meant was when you'rethere watching it live, it's
kind of different when you watchit on telly because you don't
really know.
I mean, I missed quite a lot ofstuff, but what I did get was
the kind of feel of the the themomentum, in a way, and the way
and then obviously I did I didactually watch watch replay of
it today and then filled in afew gaps um in the dry.

(06:22):
In the dry, yeah.
Um so I think the first questionI'm gonna come come to you,
Miles, is let's just go back afew days.
We did speculate last week inthe pod about what the the
lineup was gonna be.
We we kind of assumed Bath wouldhave a really strong one, um,
but we had a bit of a discussionabout what we thought our lineup
would be.
So when the the team sheets didcome out um on Thursday, um what

(06:45):
were your thoughts?

SPEAKER_01 (06:46):
Um I I think we uh correctly speculated that Genji
would be back in, wouldn't he?
For sort of uh slightly odd HIA,but he was back in and I think
we thought that potentiallyBates and Carrington had had a a
week break for HIA, and andother than that, I don't think
there was any other controversyor much different in the sort of
team sheets we we we guessed, Idon't think.

SPEAKER_02 (07:08):
I mean we we there was one controversy, well a
personal one, a pod one, wasthat there was no sign of uh
Dunny.

SPEAKER_01 (07:15):
Yeah.
We had no well, I had noabsolutely no idea why.
I absolutely agree.

SPEAKER_04 (07:18):
Well, none of us did, do we?
No, and then we subsequently,yeah.
Um I mean we now we know in youknow in hindsight he's been he's
injured, he's got a a peckinjury.
Something like that.

SPEAKER_02 (07:28):
I mean he was on the he was on the unavailable list
on the website, and that alwaysmeans that you're injured, yeah,
or you're on international duty,and and we know that that's not
the case, although he should be.
He should be, but um so he'sobviously got he's he's got some
sort of injury, we don't knowthe extent of it.
Um, but it's probably if he'sgonna get injured, it's not a
bad time to get injured becausewe've got a four-week break now.

SPEAKER_04 (07:49):
He would have been gutted personally, though,
because I I well we all know100% he would have been wanting
to be out on that pitch, and andI mean we know the F causing
some that in that semi-final wasabsolutely phenomenal.
The amount of punch-ups on thatpitch as well.
That was pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 (08:06):
Could have been a few more, could they?
He's I know, and also I meanlet's uh in all seriousness as
well.
I mean, the the effort we knowhe made to get fit for the start
of the season, I mean theInstagram reels were uh but
yeah, so I'm sure let's fingerscrossed that he'll be back fit
as a fiddle to compete for hisplace again.

(08:27):
Um so yeah, so I don't know, wasthere anything you thought, Lee?
Was there any s I mean it wasn'tthe back line the only
discussion?
Lua tour for me.

SPEAKER_04 (08:35):
Yeah, Lua Tua.
And and I I did kind of feelnothing against Santi Grandona,
but I kind of lure to Bath Awayis a game where you do want
Captain Superman.
Yeah, it's just that kind oflevel-headedness, you know, just
just in the right place at theright time.
Um, but obviously he was injuredand he couldn't play.

SPEAKER_02 (08:56):
Um and we'll we'll probably discuss Santi's
performance anyway.
And actually, when you thinkabout it, last year was his
debut, wasn't it?
And he scored two tries.
So in some ways it was probablyquite good that uh Grandona was
um uh was there, but yeah, we'lltalk a bit about him.
I mean, for me, the only thingI'd say is we did have a
discussion about Moroni.
I think I was saying, oh, theythey might rest him because

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bloody glad they didn't.
It might he might be on a onegame on, one game off contract.
But to be fair, uh Miles, youwere the one that was pushing
him, saying I think you knowhe'll start at 13 again, and uh
and he did, and he had anotherhe went another full 80.
He did, yeah, um and playedwell.

SPEAKER_01 (09:35):
Yeah, and you've probably figured this out, but
the the influence he had on thegame was just out of this world,
so yeah.
Even if we did question it, Ithink we'll all eat eat humble
pie and say flipping it was heneeded at the weekend.

SPEAKER_02 (09:47):
And I suppose the only other thing I would say was
that um we had bath bites on thepod or rich Matt Price Bath
Bite.
Sorry, yeah, yeah.
And um he he sent me a WhatsAppmessage through the week saying
that he was working with Genji'sdad, Rich Genj, and Genji's dad
had told him that Genji wasgoing to be on the bench.

SPEAKER_04 (10:09):
Good lad.

SPEAKER_02 (10:10):
Yeah, good lad.
And then obviously, when hewasn't on the bench, and he'd
obviously bar fights probablytold all his mates he he got
stitched up right and proper.
So let's have a massive, amassive uh shout out to Rich
Genj.

SPEAKER_04 (10:26):
That's class, isn't it?
I love it.

SPEAKER_02 (10:27):
He's gone Daniel Glenn Oll tactics route or
unless the other narrative isthat maybe Genji was on the
bench and rang his dad to say,Can't believe it, I'm on the
bench.
And then a minute half an hourlater he was off the bench
because he got into Pat's officeand said, This is not
acceptable, Pat.
So yeah, anyway.
Um, yeah, I mean it I think youknow, when we looked at their

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line out, I mean they we didsuggest that they'd put in their
strong side, and looking attheir line out, they had Ubano,
Dunn, DeTois, DeToy, sorry, backagain.
They had Rue Maloney, Bayliss,Pepperine.
I think they pretty much hadtheir first choice eight coming
out Spencer, Russell, Redpath,Lawrence, Con Signer, Carreras,
Arundel.

(11:10):
It was just it's just name aftername after name after.
And they don't even look at thebench, it just gets worse,
doesn't it?
The bench was you know, many,many other sides.

SPEAKER_01 (11:19):
Well, I think they have like 14 out of the first
starting 15 internationals ofsome some degree.
I mean, yeah, I mean that's justBath, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 (11:27):
But the point is, I mean, we knew that was gonna
happen because it doesn't makeit any easier when you see those
names listed.
And I think I think the realitywas I felt that there might be a
you know a bit of trepidation.
I you knew it was gonna be atough, tough ask, of course.
But I thought that my ththoughts were, you know, we had
some confidence from thatGloucester game, the forwards

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had played well.
We know that the one area wehaven't really got that many
injuries were the forwards.
So if the forwards could getreally stuck in um on grass, on
grass, and and not on, you know,and and again it's it's it's
probably easier to get stuck inon grass, then you know who
knows what would happen.
And um, when I got down theground, I suddenly remembered
our our mate Dave Atwoodprobably be there, um, and I

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thought well he might it'd beinteresting to see what he
thinks because obviously youknow he has split loyalties,
although we do suspect that thatit's not a 50-50 split though,
Lee, is it?

SPEAKER_04 (12:19):
No, I every time I listen to Dave, and we all love
him to bits, don't we?
We're all agreed, but he's he healways seems I don't know, 5248
Bath.

SPEAKER_01 (12:31):
Cover under his bar and get a nice warm lap around.

SPEAKER_02 (12:33):
And I'm sure he'd probably admit it, yeah, and
he'd probably say they've paidhim more money over his career.
So yeah, he's Bristol and andand he did play for England when
he was playing for Bath.
So he does owe him a little bit,but he was born in Bristol.
I know, I know.
So anyway, Dave um very kindlyum well actually I I texted him
when I was at the ground andsaid, Are you at the bar?

(12:54):
I might pop over because youyou'd be interested to see what
you think.
And anyway, I then got aWhatsApp saying actually I've
I'll he said I've sent you all avoice note because I was sort of
sorting out the bars andeverything, and actually it was
quite interesting because hesent that he'd seen the the team
arrive.
Um and he said, Oh and soanyway, I thought, well, let's
uh let's play Dave's um voicenote.

(13:18):
I did tweet it out actually likeabout a half an hour before the
game, so some people might haveheard this already.
But I thought it was actuallyquite a nice way to start the
game.
So here's what Dave said.

SPEAKER_00 (13:28):
Hi Pete, I have got both the uh both the bars there,
but unfortunately uh I um um I'mnot there at the minute.
Um but I thought I'd give you alittle voice note sound bite and
uh see who use it.
I just as I was I was justsetting the bars up, just as I
was leaving the wreck andwalking out, uh I passed all of
the Bristol lot coming in.

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Um Pat and the lads, umWoolley's broken nose leading
the charge, uh very stoic faces,but uh a little bit of bounce, a
little bit of confidence, niceto see from the lads.
So um obviously in uh inreasonable spirits.
Um it's gonna be a rough onetoday, I think.
Obviously, Bath reeling from theuh the loss last weekend up at
Wellford Road, they are gonna beout for blood.

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Um Bristol obviously gonna behappy with that uh result up at
uh up at Gloucester, how thatwent.
Um, so the I would say the uhthe momentum might be with um
with Bath on this one.
Um it's certainly gonna be atough ask, but a great
experience, and certainly forsome of the young guys, people
like Sam Worsley, this is uh ahell of an environment to to cut

(14:33):
your teeth.
So um hopefully, uh hopefully itwon't uh pan out as as brutal
for Bristol fans, but um I'mhoping uh it'll be a crack of a
game.

SPEAKER_02 (14:44):
Okay, so uh yeah, I mean Dave always very very
astute, very eloquent, isn't it?
Very erudite, yeah.
And and actually he gave me abit of confidence because he
said that the boys look focused,he said they you know it's
clearly going to be a toughgame, but they'll come with
confidence.
He said Woolley was lookingfocused with his broken nose.
Um so yeah, and this was thiswas like this is a guy that had

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seen they he knows these boys, alot of these boys, and you know,
he could get the vibe from them.
So yeah, um, and to be fair,Miles, he was kind of right
because within one minute wescored we scored the fastest try
of the premiership this season.
So uh do you want to do you wantto comment on on what happened?

SPEAKER_01 (15:24):
Uh I think I've missed that uh the revovo,
wasn't it?
Absolute absolute class.
Was it 49 seconds?
Something like that.
But was that the fastestpremiership try ever?
Well it maybe, maybe obviouslyclearly this season.
Um, but um sorry, um it wasabsolute, you know, absolutely
brilliant out on the wing, um uhand pure class, and it it's

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absolutely silenced direct fromwhat I heard on the television.

SPEAKER_02 (15:50):
But but more importantly, what I was trying
to get at, and you're absolutelyright, it was a good finish, but
why did we get the ball?
Can you remember?
No, okay.
Well, Lee can't remember becauseit's it's alright.
So shall I tell everyone?
Go on, every everyone's theregoing.
What happened was straight fromthe kickoff, Yanssi van Rensberg
charged down Finn Russell.
Of course, Finn Russell.
And of course, the question, andyou can answer this question,

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Lee, even though you didn't seeit.
Do you think that the chargedown was because of Finn
Russell's slightly laxadaisicalattitude to life, or was it
because of Yansy Van Rensburg'sboundless energy?

SPEAKER_04 (16:28):
I think it's probably a cross between the
two, but but having said that,obviously the boys were fired up
right from the start, right fromthe kickoff.
That was that was pretty obviousif you watched the game or you
didn't, and um I um I personallythink that it was uh it was a
case of Jansey's gone out there,he's you know, he's he's he's

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taking on the sheep, you knowwhat I mean?
He's rounding up the cow, cattleon the on the ranch.
And um yeah, I I just I thinkand the thing is that I think
that will we will talk aboutthis a bit more, but I think it
was a lot of that right from thekickoff.
We've done that a lot thisseason.

SPEAKER_01 (17:07):
That's not the first time, because you remember he's
done that at Ashton Gate wherehe actually scored himself by
charging down the kickoff,didn't he?

SPEAKER_02 (17:12):
Yeah, and I think I think you make a really good
point actually, Lee, is that itit was good it as an away fan
there, it was exciting becausewe we were pumped and it and you
know we knew from that moment onI knew we were gonna give it an
absolute massive shot.

SPEAKER_04 (17:24):
And there's no better way to silence the the
the wreck, is there, thanscoring that early.

SPEAKER_02 (17:29):
And actually, uh Russell got charged down a
couple of times in the firsthalf.
Um he did play quite well afterthat, I've got to say.
But annoying.

SPEAKER_04 (17:36):
Yeah, he's a quality operator.

SPEAKER_02 (17:38):
So we we got possession early on.
Unfortunately, it was right atthe opposite end of the ground
where I was watching.
Oh, okay.
And then actually, we kind of wedid a couple of pick and goes
and then quickly got it out.
And and actually the the um passfrom Moroney, he was kind of
well under pressure, he kind ofthrew it with his eyes shut, and
it it landed in front of a bigpallet and then sort of did a
little bounce forward and he ranonto it and straightened the

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corner.
So it was a it was a really goodtry, and then unfortunately,
despite having kicked seven in arow at Gloucester, Sam uh missed
it by by a touch, but it was ait was a nice conversation.

SPEAKER_01 (18:10):
I can't like you because we were 5-0 up when we
after one minute.

SPEAKER_02 (18:13):
So we're following, you know, we're brilliant.

SPEAKER_04 (18:15):
You know, we I mean and I should say I was I did
have the um notifications, thescore notifications on my phone.
So at that point, I'm like yourgame off.
That's a nice start.

SPEAKER_02 (18:25):
Yeah, so we go up, and then actually we carry on
the momentum and we we're we'repumping uh you know, we we get
big possession, and then then ofcourse, inevitably buff um score
no miles, they don't scorestraight away.
So are you ready to answer?
Are you ready to answer thisquestion?
Are you gonna come to you?

SPEAKER_01 (18:42):
I don't know, because I thought it was
yesterday.
He's got cheese on his top.
So that's all washed off then.

SPEAKER_02 (18:47):
We we are under the pump and it very soon after,
like minutes after, we're we'redefending our line.
And of course, you're thinking,well, this is inevitable.
Barf are gonna score, pick andgo, power play.
Um but we we actually defend itreally well and we clear it.
And annoyingly, Miles, they doscore.

SPEAKER_01 (19:06):
Do you remember what happened?
Well they're annoyingly good.
I think Miles Reed just pickedup the ball from the back of a
ruck, that's not what happened.
Well, I don't know.
Pepper ended up scoring, didn'the?

SPEAKER_02 (19:16):
Yeah, Pepper scored and he took it well.

SPEAKER_01 (19:18):
No, what happened was we cleared it.

SPEAKER_02 (19:21):
It there was quite a fortunate bounce.
Finn Russell picked it up.
Finn Russell popped it to JoeCochrane Sigar, who hit it at
pace.
He then got tackled and heoffloaded from the floor to
Miles Reed, who picked actually,to be fair to him, picked it off
his toes.
Then he was the one that ranthrough, drew the man, drew El
Zaldi, and passed it.

SPEAKER_04 (19:41):
I reckon actually Miles Reed might be the
opposition player that I hatemost in the whole league.

SPEAKER_02 (19:48):
Why do you hate him?

SPEAKER_04 (19:49):
I d just because he's so good.

SPEAKER_02 (19:52):
Anyway, we'll come back to Reed because he did
cause a little bit of a scufflelater on.
So uh a point I'm trying tomake, Miles, was that it was or
both of you was reallyfrustrating because we'd done
really well, we'd actually wonthe ball back in the place where
we wouldn't expect to win itback, which was against
forwards, and then kind ofconceded the try.
Yeah, that was just a bit itjust felt a bit cheap.

(20:13):
Um so you know it was it waskind of then I thought uh five
all, you know, we're this isgonna be a long afternoon.
It felt like it.
Um and then you know, we we butthen we kept at it.
Um I think 16 minutes we had amassive break into their um 22.
I think Morone, I think uhMarmion broke, Moroni Fitz pop
broke, and then Pepper made alast-itch tackle and then got a

(20:36):
penalty for hold for you knowfor us holding on.
And I I looked at it, and itliterally, this is why I don't
like him.
Literally, I didn't think therewas any clear release in the
tackle whatsoever.
Um, so that was a bitfrustrating.
Um, but then 19 minutes later,in and I think three minutes
later, Moroni did a turnover onCarreras, which I thought was
quite was quite apt.
So Carrera got isolated,Moroni's on it.

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Now, here's my question to you,Lee.
Yeah, what do you think Moronisaid to Carrera's while they
were grappling on the floor?
International teammates, what doyou reckon?

SPEAKER_04 (21:07):
I kill you.

SPEAKER_02 (21:10):
Well, something like that, yeah.
Do you remember what happenedoff that one?
I'll give you a clue, Marmion.
What did he do?

SPEAKER_04 (21:20):
Miles being being interrogated.
Pete can't go to a game again,can he?
That's not what just becauseyou've been there and you've
seen it and you've done it.
I'm never walking a Saturdayagain.

SPEAKER_01 (21:35):
I just I've just discorded through the boring
bit.

SPEAKER_04 (21:37):
Sorry for trying to earn a cross from my family,
Pete.

SPEAKER_02 (21:40):
I've just I've just it's not you, I'm not blaming
you.
Yeah, you've got an excuse.
I've just thinking all thelisteners out there saying, Did
they actually watch this game atall that we're talking about?
Tell you what, and I'll give youa better question afterwards.
So it was a quick tap and gofrom Marmion.
So we had a quick tap and go, hethen grubbered it.
Um, and actually Calavetti wasthrough, and the ball bounced
again the wrong way.
Calavetti tried to kick it andmissed it because it was a

(22:02):
complete air shot.
Uh, we got the ball and then wegot a penalty uh for side entry,
and and then on the back of thatthere was the we went blind, and
that was when um uh Spencerknocked it on.
The ref then went back for theside entry and they didn't
appear to look at Spencer'sknock on.
Now, my my argument was we thenscored with Gabs.

SPEAKER_04 (22:22):
And it still wasn't brought back in the city.
Well, it was a yellow, it was apotato it was a yellow card.

SPEAKER_02 (22:26):
We had it like a we had a two-man overlap.
Just because he's Ben Spencerand he's at baff doesn't mean
that he was you think, oh well,he was trying.
It's like it's like when yougive a penalty away for handball
in football and saying, Oh, thedefender was doing his best, but
he still stuck his hand out, andand also those those one-handed
ones, I mean, generally they area yellow card straight away.

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And when you're in your own 22with a two-man overlap.
So the point is we then scoredfrom Gabs, and that was
controversial because it lookedlike a dummy throw.
So, and then the irony was BenSpencer was arguing with moaning
about that about a dummy throw,and I was thinking, mate, you're
lucky to be on the pitch to evenargue.
Exactly.
So, Miles, what do you thinkabout that whole situation?
You tell me what you thought.

SPEAKER_01 (23:03):
Well, I yeah, I think you're right.
I think I was sort of likefollowed the sort of leader of
the the comms, and there was ansort of accident or knocking in
the air, nothing he could havedone.
But you're right, in the in theletter of the law he did try and
sort of tap it, didn't he, withno attempt to sort of grab it.
Anyway, it transpired that wescored a try from it, so I guess
we can't argue too much.

(23:24):
Do you not think that's amassive turning point?

SPEAKER_04 (23:26):
Yeah, I'm about to see in the game is really
difficult for me to say.
From the facts that werepresented before me, my lord.
Yeah, I mean, Spencer goes offfor 10 minutes, then
potentially, like I know wescored from that incident.

SPEAKER_01 (23:41):
We get more.

SPEAKER_04 (23:42):
Yeah, yeah.
Potentially we score more.
And then going into the youknow, going into that second
half, maybe we've got a bigleap.
I I maybe I'm just clutching it,straws.

SPEAKER_02 (23:52):
I think, but I mean, we all know that rugby's about
moments, momentum is massive.
I don't know, and thenobviously, very quickly, I mean,
then they did score throughLawrence.
That's quite a good try.
Finn Russell, little chipthrough.
Yeah, Lawrence scores, thenthere's a massive scuffle.
Tempo loses his rag, gets Fitzand Spencer and says, Look, and
I on comms, I I then when Ilistened to it, he said, look,

(24:14):
if that happens again, peopleare leaving the pitch.
But then we find out that thenthey score seven points and then
they get a penalty on therestart.
So I'm there thinking at thegame, like, why's that?
Why have they got because I knowI saw Finn Russell kick it into
touch, and I'm thinking, why ishe kicking the ball?
It should be us kicking theball.
Anyway, it turns out thatElisalde had had done some

(24:36):
afters on Lawrence, but you knowwhy he did after Lawrence
because Lawrence got up andthrew his head and laughed at
him.
It's like and like the TMO yeah,I did.
I saw that TMO like said, Oh, itthis was all started by by White
15.
And I was like, it wasn'tstarted by White 15, it was
started by blue and white 13.

(24:56):
He's an arrogant twat.

SPEAKER_04 (24:58):
We never got that in in Hotcliff uh school
playground, you know, we wouldin North West.
It was there was never thatthere's there was never an
umpire or uh referee judging,you know, or rug people, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (25:10):
So I suppose what this is leading, let's get a
question that the more generalquestion, Miles, because you you
you know, because you allegedlywatched the game, but but I get
I get it that you aren't thatyou were obviously having to
deal with your kids trying tocook them tea and whatever.
Let's talk about tempo a littlebit.
I mean, we don't like to talkabout refs and officiating, but
I think it's worth mentioning itbecause I thought it was a it

(25:30):
was quite a difficult game forhim to officiate because it was
especially the weather comes in,there's a lot going on, there
was a lot of chirping going on,a lot of scrapping, and he was
already saying, Stop telling mewhat like there were people
shouting at him, and I heard himsay I could hear him because the
atmosphere was so flat after thefirst ten minutes because we
scored that I could hear theplayers shouting, they're

(25:51):
screaming for offside pepper,like a little petulant schoolboy
was like screaming, oh, he'slying on the ball.
What's your thoughts on theofficiating?
Because he has been he's beengiven some pelters elsewhere for
for certain decisions, but weshould mention it.
We but he you know, we've talkedabout the the Spencer thing, but
it is an officiating team.

(26:12):
So, I mean, like what's yourbalanced thoughts?

SPEAKER_01 (26:15):
Well, listen, it it it's you know, uh a high tempo,
high energy, quite literally,high literally uh derby match.
I mean, it was inevitable, youknow, and the two teams
absolutely detest each other.
So I I think it was going to bea tough gig for Tempo to manage
anyway, and lo and behold, onthe day, um you could argue an

(26:38):
outsider's point of view,because we were watching on the
TV that uh at points that thethe game lost control of the
game later on, more so than inin but did he though?

SPEAKER_02 (26:48):
Well, I think he carded, but you say later on.

SPEAKER_01 (26:52):
Yeah, alright, but well, I think when he got to 85,
90 minutes, that it was justfarcical.

SPEAKER_02 (26:59):
Why you can't stop a game just because it's like it's
gone beyond 80 minutes.
I I I don't know, Lee, you dumpin, you want to say something.

SPEAKER_04 (27:06):
I just thought was Tempo the right guy to referee a
game like that.
I I can kind of see where Milesis coming from.
For me, maybe a Christoph Ridleywould have been that kind of
just slightly cooler head whowould have just said, look,
lads, for God's sake, you justpack it in.
Yeah, just calm it down.
You know, it's a game of rugby,let's get on with it.

(27:27):
Tempo's very hot-headed.

SPEAKER_02 (27:28):
I mean, we all know, like you're right, but he did
get a bit pissy at times withthe players.
Um, I mean, do you think theplayers were playing up to the
narrative of the derby as well,a little bit?
To me, some of that scrappinglooked a little bit
premeditated.

SPEAKER_04 (27:44):
I think it might Miles is hitting the nail on the
head.
I think Bath and Bristol hateeach other.
As a Bristolian, right, as a kidfrom a council state, Genji hit
the nail on the head the otherday when he said it is it's
literally a class war, andthat's exactly how I see it.
We know loads of brilliant BAFsupporters, right?
But there is the element, thebody bashing element of BAF

(28:10):
support that I just can't stand.
I personally cannot stand them,and they're just so up their own
horses.
I this is the game I always wantto win.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (28:20):
And I think I think you're both right.
I mean, I think Tempo had atough game, there's no doubt
about it.
And he did he did make but Ithink he did disallow two of
their tries as well.
You've got to remember that.
And I mean, I know that was theTMO help.
And you know, he did reverse apenalty.
So going back, you know, whenthere was a scrap and Miles Reed
pushed.

SPEAKER_04 (28:38):
Well, it it sounded like he was equally kind of
inconsistent on both sides.
So it was you can't seeeverything.
We remember the the Sarris teamthat were like, you know, the
that they did that chiefs.
I mean, how how straight movedChiefs to watch at times?

SPEAKER_02 (28:53):
I think if we yeah, and I think you're right, you're
actually right about do theyactually think about refs, who's
gonna ref games because refs allhave different personalities,
and that's a good thing becausethey're they're not all robots,
and maybe you're right, maybethere is a debate on was he the
right person.
The one thing we could sayactually is that the Spencer
thing was debatable, but I thinkthe TMO has to come in on that.

SPEAKER_03 (29:13):
I don't agree with that.

SPEAKER_02 (29:13):
But they're meant to be a team, aren't they?
Yeah, agreed.
Um, and it was like they justdidn't seem to have a
conversation, right?
So, anyway, let's move onquickly.
So we're 15-19 down at halftime.
I mean, Miles, what you know,what what was you must have been
quite happy, I would havethought.
15-19, actually quitedisappointed that we were
behind, I would have thought.

SPEAKER_01 (29:28):
Well, absolutely, I think you know, we were um you
know, 5-0 up, five, you know,five all 12-5 up, um, and then
to go in sort of 19-15 down.
I was just very disappointed.
It just sort of felt a littlebit against the run of play.
Probably only based on, to befair, the first 22 minutes, but
uh I felt that Bath were alreadygetting the ascendancy, and it

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would be quite a tough secondhalf to really sort of not
necessarily turn it around, butkeep Bath at bay, knowing what
what was to come with theirbench.
But quietly confident that wecould keep within a try at half
time.

SPEAKER_04 (30:05):
See, that's the difference between Miles
watching the game on TV, youwatching it live, I've been
getting score notification.
So I'm thinking at halftime,1915, we're only four points
down.

SPEAKER_01 (30:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (30:16):
But I have no concept of the game that you've
watched to get, you know what Imean?
So for me, I'm thinking, oh,actually, we're only four points
down at half time.
We're in this game.

SPEAKER_01 (30:26):
I guess we're I guess for the yeah, they scored
two quick tries, four minutesapart, leading up to half time.
Yeah, going in, you know, umhead above shoulders, thinking
and confidence.
I thought it it the second halfis gonna is gonna be very tight.

SPEAKER_04 (30:42):
So for you guys, momentum had swung then.
Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_02 (30:46):
I I don't I hate to say it, and I was actually
proved wrong for about 20minutes.
I I felt that those the the thered path tribe, particularly,
and so that was a direct resultof that scuffle, and actually
that was a bit of a killer blowbecause it was against the
runner play, and I but I justfelt I did feel at the time, I
thought you know, our forwardshave put in a massive shift this

(31:08):
first half.
We can't expect all of them tocarry on the same, and and we
know that some of them are gonnahave to.
Rubio, Low Grandona are probablygonna go the full 80, Batley's
gonna go the full 80.
You know, I is our bench up tothis, and this is no disrespect
to the bench.
I've just say relative to whattheir bench was, and so I was
quite I felt a little bitdepressed at halftime.

(31:28):
I thought, again, it felt likethat semi-final, we should have
been ahead, and we we justdidn't take the chances we had.
And a couple of times we justmade a couple of decisions that
you know, get getting ourselvesisolated.
There was one where Fitsi went,we had a quick line out, Fitzy
broke, popped a matter, it wasit looked good, but then Matter
got enveloped, and then Ubanogot up, you know, got his hands

(31:50):
on the ball, and he just thinkthat we that we didn't need to
do it at that point.

SPEAKER_04 (31:53):
That's happened a few times this season, and the
way we play, we are open toplayers getting isolated, and I
think we have to work on that.
Yeah, coaching.

SPEAKER_01 (32:02):
You could get away with that with maybe a couple of
teams, but you're absolutelyright.
When you're going just a pairdown the other end of the field,
uh you're right, it wasinevitable that we're going to
get isolated.

SPEAKER_02 (32:12):
I think I think it's credit to us that it wasn't
until the 62nd minute, I mean,we that we in the end the kind
of strength and the power camethrough.

SPEAKER_04 (32:20):
And I mean I just ask, what was the like from 40
minutes to 60 minutes, what wasthe game?

SPEAKER_02 (32:26):
We were under pressure, we were under a lot of
things.

SPEAKER_04 (32:28):
So we were just literally scored twice.

SPEAKER_02 (32:32):
Ethereum scored twice, and both of them were
were chalked off.
Tempo had to run the wholelength of the wreck to the one
screen at the other end, andthen Josie Mourinho and he twice
he then embarrassingly had tosay to the whole stadium, there
was a clear knock-on.
Like you're thinking, but youwere right there, you didn't see
it.
I think the first one was Detoyknocked it on picking and

(32:53):
driving.
The second one that Lawrencescored, but there'd been a knock
on in the rug.
Knock on in the ruck.
Now, my question to you, Lee,which didn't matter whether
you're there or not, is when awhen a team knocks on when
they're being you know whenthey're being defended against,
is that just bad luck or is itgood defending?

SPEAKER_04 (33:12):
I would say it's good defending because it is the
pressure.
I mean these are professionalrugby players, they don't knock
on willy-nilly, do they?
They if there's a knock-on, it'sbeen forced generally.

SPEAKER_01 (33:24):
I mean you're right.
I think we should commendBristol that you know, two out
of two tries, they had suchpressure against us, and our
defence was so good that it wasI I mean, admit they were
marginal, but they were clearknock-ons.
Um and I was bored stiff by thatpoint by bars pick and go, pick
and go, pick and go.
But hats off to the Bristolboys.
Uh they put enough pressure onthat both were disallowed.

SPEAKER_02 (33:46):
Um but then after eventually, I think what
happened was 61 minutes, Genjiand Ogre went off.
They'd put massive shifts, theycan't do that, and then and then
they emptied their bench, andthen you know, they did then
finally score.
I think it was a chip uhLawrence um Russell, little
cross kick to Big Joe.

SPEAKER_01 (34:04):
We had Gwandana sent off at sixty.
Yeah, we were then down.
We were down one man.
I mean, by but by that point, Ithink we'd had eight eight
penalties against in a row.
We were under the pump, underthe pump.

SPEAKER_02 (34:14):
It was it was it it was kind of frustrating, but it
wasn't frustrating in a bad way.
It was like we we basicallyemptied the water.
We'd emptied the well, yeah,we'd done everything we could.
A lot of things had gone againstus, and yeah, I mean ultimately
they won 49.

SPEAKER_04 (34:29):
Well, I mean, we should say that I mean they
scored two tries in the lastwhat couple of minutes, yeah.
So, really, that game, you takeit take away the two tries.
What was that?
They're both converted tries,yeah, yeah.
So that's 14 points off of 40.
So we'd 26.
26-15 was a bad score.
I mean, against a BAF team wherewe've got what 19 now injuries

(34:50):
in our squad.
And uh I mean that's um likewe've got a squad of what 38
players this year.
No, I think that's half oursquad injured for Christ's sake.

SPEAKER_02 (34:58):
Yeah, and I think I think um I mean the only
downside was Closker went offwith a looks like an upstream
that's not good.
Everyone else seemed to be okay,so it was a glorious defeat.

SPEAKER_01 (35:08):
There was a lot of good stuff in there, and uh
yeah, that scoreline doesn'trepresent the the massive effort
that the boys put in.
I mean, it was you know, it wasflipping feisty, but if that's
not a derby match is againstBath, isn't it?
And I'd expect nothing less.
A massive valiant effort fromthe Bristol boys.
Um and I'm just yeah, I'mabsolutely gutted that 40-15 to

(35:29):
an outsider just looks like abit of a jrubbing, doesn't it?
So yeah, and I'm gonna reflectthat.

SPEAKER_02 (35:34):
I don't care because ignorant people will think that,
but anyone who knows anythingabout rugby and reads the
reports will probably know thatthat you know Bristol I think I
think a lot of teams will lookat that and think, you know,
we've got to be wary ofBristol's pack.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They you know they'll there'llbe other teams.
I mean Gloucester will tell you,yeah, Tigers will tell you,
Chiefs will tell you, they're nomugs.

SPEAKER_04 (35:53):
No, and I'll I'll tell you another thing that's
really impressed me already thisseason, only five rounds in, is
the togetherness.
I know you get that with asmaller squad, I'm appreciating
that, but they fight for eachother, and that's something that
kind of grit.
I think we've got to big up theArgentinians for bringing that
into the into the squad.

SPEAKER_02 (36:14):
Well that m moved me on nicely to what I was gonna
finish off with just to wrap itup.
Individual performances.
Is there anyone you want tomention from from your your kind
of variable watching on telly?

SPEAKER_01 (36:27):
I thought you know, inevitably um Jancy van Rensberg
put in an absolute sh absoluteshift.
Yeah, again, eight out of tenminutes.
Eight out of ten, you know,block blocking kicks by Finn
Russell, attacking.
Um, and and and you know,someone we said might need a
rest this week, Maroni.
I mean, that's gotten to be an11 out of 10.

(36:47):
I feel like you've got a bit ofman.
I I have got a bit of I've got aI've got to eat some humble I
ate some Marone.
I ate some humble apple andblackcurrant pie for tea with
custard, but flipping it, was Iglad he is absolutely plucking
chinder at the weekend.

SPEAKER_02 (37:01):
There's some chat that they'd he'd only on a
really short contract.

SPEAKER_01 (37:04):
Well, Pat said he'd like to keep it.

SPEAKER_02 (37:07):
I'd say get the money out, so would I.

SPEAKER_01 (37:09):
I mean, the the the class that he put in, the shift
at the weekend was through theroof.

SPEAKER_04 (37:13):
We seen him for Tigers, didn't we?
He was just he was brilliant,wasn't he?
He was always really consistentagainst us.

SPEAKER_02 (37:19):
I'd add both of the Argentines, Rubiolo, Grandona,
they do add a lot of heft, andRubiolo.
I mean, he's he's even Dunnysaid he was a beast, didn't he?
And he was him and Pepper wenthead to head a few times, and
that was quite good to see.
And then I think Elizalde, hewhilst he probably feels a bit
disappointed about you knowletting the team down for that

(37:39):
restart.
I really like you know what, wehaven't said this for a long
time.
But I love the cut of his chip.
Yeah, I knew you could say that.

SPEAKER_04 (37:47):
I agree, and also I mean these guys are that they're
they're integrating into thesquad as well, so they'll only
get better.

SPEAKER_01 (37:55):
Yeah, I think yeah, you're right.
El Zalde he didn't look out ofplace at all.
I mean, he gives us anotheroption, he's got a huge left
boot, hasn't he?
And I thought his slightmisdemeanour that's got an
infringement was you know parthe course against Bar.
But I thought he had a prettydecent game.
And um if someone throws a ballat your head, you're gonna
retaliate.

SPEAKER_02 (38:13):
I mean, all he did, I mean his knee throw a stake
back at his foot.
I mean the irony was that he theirony was that the when the
Lawrence, it was arrogant,actually, it was hubris.
It was hubris.
Genji saw it, and he came in,and actually I'd say if anyone
did a bit more, it was Genji onhis own bloody England teammate.

(38:34):
And Ellis Alde was just kind ofhe reacted to you know I just
thought it was disrespectful.
It's disrespectful.

SPEAKER_04 (38:39):
Are we are you boys gonna talk about the scrap at
the end then?
Well, quickly, I quite likethat.

SPEAKER_02 (38:45):
Yeah, I liked it.
So basically, they're on theline, there's a big picture.
Come in together.
Underhill scores, Fitz gets upto get out of the ruck just to
go behind the line and pusheshim, yeah, and it and then they
all pile in.
And the thing, I think thereason Tempo got upset about it
was because they kept on pilingin, and it's such a small goal
area there that they wereliterally spilling over into the

(39:06):
crowd.
And I think that is constantly,you know, whatever you say, that
that has got to be a red linethat you're starting to go into
the crowd, and there were someold guys in there, anyway.
So then what happened was theyweren't.
I think Tempo had to go and looknot only to check the try was
good, but also to check what thehell had happened.
So there was a long wait, and ofcourse, it's right on that short
area, everyone's baying, and I'dI'd move round to there, so I

(39:28):
was like, You were baying aswell, were you?
We're all wondering what thehell's going on, and then he
comes back and he basically saystry's good, um, but you and you
and um Ben Grondona, yeah,yellow card, but Bristol gonna
get a penalty from the restart.
And then, of course, the pointis when you get a penalty, it
doesn't matter if it's in thered, you keep playing until it's

(39:50):
a knock-on or it goes out ofplay.
And it didn't, we got a penalty,they then got a penalty, they
carried on play, we got the ballback, and then it intercepted to
Arundel, he scored, and theneventually that was the end of
the game.
It was farcical in the sensethat it just all happened at
that time, but I don't thinkTempo personally did anything
wrong.

SPEAKER_04 (40:07):
The reason I bring it up is because for me,
something like that is it's aderby game.
It's the the tensions obviouslyit was going throughout the
game, the whole 80 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 (40:17):
Yeah, it was.

SPEAKER_04 (40:18):
Could he because could Tempo not have just said,
look, lads, it's the end of thegame, just like knock on the
head.

SPEAKER_02 (40:24):
What we're talking about, the farce here.
So what are you saying wasfarcical, Miles?
Because you said it wasfarcical.
So what are you farcical yellowsor farcical that carried on
going to the 90 minutes?
Because it that's the rule.
The game was done.
But it isn't done, it's donewhen the ball is out.
Yeah, yeah.
But it wasn't, but it was likeit was a it was a restart
penalty.
Okay, but the game we have aline out, we get possession.

SPEAKER_01 (40:44):
Okay, but it resulted in We didn't choose to
put it out.
It resulted in us losing anothertry.
I know, but that's not fast.

SPEAKER_04 (40:51):
That's our fault, though, isn't it?
It's not fast.
We should have kicked it out.

SPEAKER_01 (40:54):
We should have kicked it out.
That's my point.
We should have flipped andkicked it out and instead of
persisting and then gettinganother intercept try.
The situation was a fast cycle,but we you know, it it now looks
like you know, we got schooledby that score line by a silly
decision at the end that we keptgoing.
Um I'm sorry, it's personalopinion, and we flipping didn't
need to.

SPEAKER_02 (41:12):
Yeah, no, I agree with 100% agree with you.
We should have kicked out, weshould have kicked it out.
But what I'm saying is that youcan't just stop a game because
it's like 85th minute.
You the ref has to wait for thegame to stop.

SPEAKER_04 (41:22):
And the point I was trying to make is tempo just
what didn't you just say likethe cards thing is knocked on
the edge, yeah.
You're right.
But the commentary as well, Ilistened to the obviously the
highlights were out.
Commentary was like, oh no, thishas gone, you know, this has
gone too far on our speech, it'sit's disgraceful.
It's a rugby match, mate.
It's Bristol back.

(41:42):
Did he not see anything in the80s?
Hell no, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 (41:45):
Anyway, right, let's knock it on the head because
we're we're going around incircles.

SPEAKER_01 (41:48):
But we're yellow card ourselves.

SPEAKER_02 (41:49):
Yeah, so we always like to fit in a little bit of
listener comment.
So we're gonna quickly runthrough it.
I think most of them are gonnacover it, but I always feel it's
like nice to do it.
So we've had a few newbies thisweek.
So, first off, um we had umwhere are we?
Here we are.
We had our first contributionvia WhatsApp to my own personal
WhatsApp is my my colleagueactually, Morgan, Mr.

(42:12):
Baylon.

SPEAKER_01 (42:13):
Oh, someone got your number.

SPEAKER_02 (42:14):
Yeah, but he so I had a personal comment and I
said I'd I'd read it out, and hewas quite chuffed.
So he said, and he was watchingit on tell, he was literally he
was actually watching it ontelly, yeah, right.
Not like my old.
So he said, This has been anunbelievable performance.
He's a Bristol lad.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This has been an unbelievableunbelievable performance,
considering considering themitigating factors.

(42:34):
You can tell he's a historyteacher.
Yeah, um, defence wasincredible.
Worsley more than held his ownversus the overrated Russell.
Oh, nice.
Argentinians were supreme withstrength in contact.
Bath is so good at making theruck picture so chaotic that
it's almost impossible toreferee.
And Tempest has very much gothad very much got lost in the

(42:54):
whole storm.
So I think you know he's coveredcovered a few things we've
mentioned.
So cheers, Morgan.
Um, and then Andrew Pearsonemailed me.
Andrew Pearson's the guy thatgot us when he said that his
shirt hadn't turned up for sixweeks.
So he is him, he's a email.
Oh, he's got his shirt.
No, he still hasn't.
But he said he's got over it.
But anyway, he wrote, he said,What a great effort from the
Bears today.

(43:15):
Really proud of their effort allround.
Where Bath get their money fromto manipulate the salary cap, I
don't know.
Cannot wait to get them toAshton Gate when we are fully
loaded.
Yeah, always bear country, giantoak.
That's his name.
He's it's his nickname is GiantOak, Andrew Pearson.
And then we had uh regulars,Nick Howell.
He said, We would have loved thewin, but the boys played their

(43:36):
hearts out.
That's a good first set withdefeats away to Sarisenbaf, who
will be top four at the end ofthe season.
Plenty of reason to be cheerful.
And then we had a new guy onTwitter, Richard Hedges.
I think he's new.
He said the effort was immensetoday.
All the players who are out, andwe pushed a full strength bath
all the way.
Personally, I cannot wait forMay the 30th return match with
all our players back in fires.

SPEAKER_04 (43:57):
That's a couple of listeners saying the return lake
are return lake.

SPEAKER_02 (44:01):
Oh man, I'm already the juices are flowing.
Exactly.
Um, we then also had a commentfrom somebody called Tony, was A
at Asarzby 14411.
And he said you'll get top 10,fair play.
Anyway, I then did some I didn'tinvestigation and he was a BAF

(44:21):
supporter.
So I thought I was gonna saywhat an idiot, but then I
actually looked at some of histweets and he'd been quite
complimentary about us againstGloucester.
So I thought, fair play.

SPEAKER_04 (44:29):
I mean, and and all you know, all sell and done,
right?
We we should saycongratulations, BAF.
Yeah, right.
They deserve to win.

SPEAKER_02 (44:36):
They're a great side, they deserve to win, and
you know, as much as we debateit and having said that, Debs
came in, Debs from K Town, shesaid we came with fight, we gave
our all, we go again.
But then she came in with asecondary tweet about half an
hour later.
One more time Bants with thecrowd.

(44:57):
She said, Public school boyidiot yesterday, offside, sir,
all day, sir.
How many times, sir?
Me, I've got a sharpie, sir.
Can I have an extension on myessay, sir?
Then she said, It was all justBants.
So Deb's got stuck in in the inthe east stand, as she always
does, as she always does, sowhen I'm bant, and then Huge

(45:17):
Sweed.
He came in.
So Tango Tango Romeo Son.
Tango Romeo had got involvedwith some comments last time.
Huge Swede has come in, but hehas sent me the shortest,
sweetest summary ever, and itgoes like this Bath battled.

(45:37):
Oh sorry, start again.
Goes like this Bears battled,Bath better.
Oh, I oh I like that.
Good one.
Love it in Sweet and then TheSwede is back, and then it takes
us quickly on to our poetryclub.
I feel like Hambleys.
We had two first timers.

(45:58):
So at CycleFan Anthony Baxter.
This is his first time.
Do you like champagne?
And it was a very quick um uh itwas a quick short acrostic.
So listen carefully, boys.
Go so proud of the team today.
Officials were poor, defendingwas brilliant, international
pack bath, two tries unfair,return for effort.

(46:20):
Sod it?
Two tries unfair return foreffort.
Yeah, sod it.
So I read that.
You know what they say aboutpoetry, it's all about how you
read it, and I got thatcompletely wrong.
Two tries is unfair.
Two tries, yeah.
Okay, and then we had JP Holden.
I've never come across two PHolden.

SPEAKER_04 (46:38):
Mate, that's a good quote.

SPEAKER_02 (46:39):
And this is quite this is a single acrostic, and
it goes like this boring,attritional, rugby focus.
Yeah.
Bath Bax Overlooked ruinsentertainment.
Bore Bears Response Inspiressupporters.
Briz.
Passionate, resilient, immensedefensive effort, pride.

(47:04):
Bears bore sorry, bath bore,Briz pride.
Nice one, JP.

SPEAKER_04 (47:10):
Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_02 (47:11):
Um massive friend of the pod, Gerald Wood.
Oh in his retirement has beenpenning a bit of palatry.
Yeah, he's been looking for thefive.
He's been looking after the lit,then 100%.
Um, and here it goes.
Again, it's quite a long one,but short, so listen up.
Fearless, inspired leadership,thunderous tackles, zeal for all

(47:31):
90 minutes.
That's the first word.
Yeah, heart and soul amidsthandbags galore, resolute as the
Bath Bomb squad arrived, drivingthe team in the thick of the
action, navigating tempestuousrefereeing.
Nice one, John.
Glory earned in defeat.
Miles You got it, Lee?

SPEAKER_04 (47:50):
No, nowhere near it.
Fitz Harding.
Ah, nice.
He was we didn't mention, didwe?
But he was again immense.
Yeah, because you didn't ask mewhat what players that on the
ratings.
Oh, I see on the ratings.
Fitz Harding and um Calavettiwere were the yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (48:07):
But controversially, only one Hambley has submitted a
poem.
Is it Robin?
It's not Robin, it's Hammy.
Well, right rare rang now and hehas said, got it to lose, but
the better team won.
Here's my non-rhyming SSS.
He got a bit of Hambly.
Yeah, because you got you mixedthem out on his brother from

(48:28):
Christmas.
Here we go, you ready?
So it goes like this derby winwas not ours this week,
intensity was good, but notenough.
Realistic it was going to bedifficult, evidently squad depth
made a difference, stupidsquabbles did not help us,
excited for players to return.
Can't dispute, have a greatBath, have a great squad, Ogre

(48:51):
scored again, never say neversay dire attitude from the lads.
Defence was at times was good,hard fought game at times,
amazed with some of theofficiating, lots of time left
before we say season over,forget about it and we move on.
We're three and two.

SPEAKER_01 (49:06):
Dire second half.

SPEAKER_02 (49:08):
Dire second half.

SPEAKER_04 (49:09):
I didn't know that was an acrostic.
I thought it was just too much.
A non-rhyming poem.

SPEAKER_02 (49:14):
That's what you told me.
It's a non-rhyming acrostic.
So, boys, we've got to crack onquickly.
We've just done it.
So we we've dealt with that.
I mean, we've got no prem game.
We've got Prem Cup and AutumnInternational.
We're having a week off nextweek.
Um we we'll see, we haven'tdecided yet.

SPEAKER_01 (49:30):
We'll probably got a pre- We only got a Prem Cup,
have we?

SPEAKER_02 (49:34):
I mean, I might go to that.
It's Friday night at the gate,it's on the season card, so I
might I've paid for it.
So I'm probably gonna go acouple of AOBs before we finish.
Um, first one, it was mentionedon Rugby Pass.
So in and the FizzlerConfidential, there was a little
sentence that put fear into ourhearts, and it said James Dunn

(49:56):
has been approached byHarlequins.

SPEAKER_04 (49:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (49:59):
So what do we think about that, boys?

SPEAKER_04 (50:01):
Well, I mean, this one's summed up quite short and
sweet.
Um James Dunn is a Bristol Bearsplayer, he's a Bristol Bears
fan, and if Bristol pay him themoney that he's deserved, he
will stay at Bears.
Yeah.
I have no doubt whatsoever aboutthat.

SPEAKER_02 (50:22):
And also he's the only player that comes on.

SPEAKER_04 (50:24):
We need him, but we do we we've always said Pat
Lamb's always said abouthomegrown players.
Well, we've got one right there,and actually we've got a
cornerstone now.
We've got we've got Dunny, we'vegot Batley, and we've got Joe
Owen coming up now.
I mean, that's three really topquality operators, and we need
to keep them, yeah, all three ofthem, yeah, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 (50:46):
So I'm sure these things in the papers are always
rumours, but I mean, wheneveranyone's contract is up, there's
always rumours, but I I Itotally endorse what you say.
Dunny needs to stay at Bristol,and whatever that takes, he has
to stay at Bristol because hehe's got 50 over 50 appearances,
and he's he's a Bristol boy, andyou know, also he's a bloody

(51:09):
good player.
Well, we need him.

SPEAKER_04 (51:12):
We're five rounds in now.
I know he missed the the thebath game, but actually, those
first four rounds, he's been oneof the best players.

SPEAKER_01 (51:19):
And he's had both shoulders, he's superhuman, he's
had both shoulders done.
He's you know, yeah, came on thepod, he's come back earlier than
expected and put in blindingperformances, obviously,
unfortunate injury, but youknow, Bristol bears through and
through.
We should be biting our bitinghis hand off to keep him at
Bristol.

SPEAKER_04 (51:39):
And I'm not just saying that it's like because we
we love Dunny, I'm not sayingthat for that reason, actually
like father to son sort of love.
On a cold hearted basis, like weneed him.
We absolutely need him.

SPEAKER_02 (51:53):
Okay next thing women, the women, it's been a
long time.
Great weekend, they start theircampaign next weekend, next
weekend.

SPEAKER_01 (52:02):
CWR started this weekend, yeah.
But they had the bye.
Yeah, bye.

SPEAKER_02 (52:05):
So I know there's been a sort of cup cup
competition that we got to thesemis, didn't we?
Yeah, that's it.
Um but the big the big guns areback, the the roses are back.
Um are they playing?
Second of November, no tigers,tigers, tigers away, I think it
is.
So yeah, we'll we'll we'll keepa track of of the women's game.
Me and Miles might go and watcha few like we did before.
We enjoyed it and and that.

(52:26):
And um, and then finally, justlast thing came in, they
announced the England squad.
And whilst this is a BristolBears pod, I think we need to
recognise well done again forGenji for getting into the
England squad, holding literallythe only Bristol Bear in there.
Um, my comment is three hookershave been picked Luke
Cowandicke, yeah, Theo Dan, andJamie George Lee.

(52:50):
What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_04 (52:51):
Well, I'll tell you what I think about that.
Gabe Ogre.
That's what I think about that.
It's an absolute farce thatOgre's not in that team.

SPEAKER_02 (53:00):
It's one of the jobs of a hooker is to throw the ball
in straight and accurately allthe time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just checking.
Jamie George does that, but he'sabout 50.
But Luke Cowendicki and Theo Danare definitely variable with
their darts.

SPEAKER_04 (53:14):
Absolutely.
I mean, they they they are asinconsistent as me trying to
trying to hit a ball's eye.

SPEAKER_02 (53:19):
And how many tries has Gabs Ogre scored this this
term?

SPEAKER_04 (53:23):
To me, mate, is a no-brainer, but it does go along
with the same ethos of I thinkSteve Borswick has definitely
got something against Bears.
Like, I know you two mightdisagree, but I I genuinely do
feel can I can there's anothercheck.

SPEAKER_01 (53:38):
Well, we know why.
Don't lie, Buck! Don't lie!Anyway, Miles.
There's a bit more criteria.
Um, does the does the playerthat should be picked have
played every single minute ofthe first five games of the
premiership?
I reckon so.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (53:52):
Have the others?
And I wonder what his line outsuccess rate is.
And has one of them been sentoff and then had his red card
rescinded?
No.
So Theo Dan, I I quite likeTheodan, but he's not the
finished article.
Omre looks like the finishedarticle to me.

SPEAKER_04 (54:06):
I mean, I do feel we need to be banging on this door
a little bit more because it'salmost like if we don't make a
point of this, like it will itwill never get mentioned.

SPEAKER_02 (54:17):
And I mean I get it, there are lots of good players
in in England, and that's reallygood for English rugby.
And I you know I disagree.
But but they've thrown thatBlooming, they've thrown that
winger and the Saracens wingerin, he's now in that squad.
Now, I watched the game againstSaints on Friday night.

SPEAKER_01 (54:33):
Isn't that clear, yeah?

SPEAKER_02 (54:34):
He didn't do anything, and the reason he does
anything because he wasn'tplaying at home on a plastic
pitch where the ball bounces tenfoot in the air.
Freeman scored four tries.
I mean, it was very telling thatFreeman showed what real class
is.
Yeah.
And I mean the guy's good, butwhy are you throwing him into a
senior squad when, like, if Iwas Joe Carpenter at sale, I'd

(54:54):
be gutted that I'm not in thatsquad.

SPEAKER_04 (54:56):
This is but it's it's ridiculous that we're even
talking about someone who'swho's made his debut.
I don't know.
Admittedly, probably the bestdebut ever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But then throwing him in into anEngland squad is ridiculous.
It's just it's it's actuallydisrespectful to a lot of other
players who've been around thecircle.

SPEAKER_02 (55:11):
And let the kid grow.
Yeah.
And and he did.
I mean, all Saints did was.
I mean, he can't grow much, hesaid.
No, he can't grow, can he?
And and Saints, I mean, Saintsproved that all you've got to do
is just you know, you shut himdown.
They they they put him underpressure, he did nothing.
And that's exactly whatinternational teams are gonna
do.

SPEAKER_04 (55:29):
My old mate Andy Moore, I think he won a few quid
on that.
Did he?
Good luck.

SPEAKER_02 (55:33):
Well, I just think I I think it's I mean, in some
ways it's it's a you know, it'sgood because we then then don't
lose loads of players, but it'sit's just not good for Bristol.

SPEAKER_01 (55:42):
Disrespectful, isn't it, to the players that are week
in, week out playing out oftheir skin, you know, um like
like Ogro.

SPEAKER_02 (55:48):
I tell you who else I'd be, and this has nothing to
do with Bristol, and this is thefinal thing.
I'll tell you what also I'd beannoyed, Gus War.
So Rafi Quirk gets into theEngland squad, and Gus War is
the number one at sale.

SPEAKER_01 (56:00):
Yeah, and he's a proper pro you literally missed
like one match in the lasthundred.

SPEAKER_04 (56:06):
Yeah, it it kind of just I don't know, it doesn't
feel right, does it?

SPEAKER_02 (56:10):
It doesn't feel right.
It I just don't understand Iknow anyway, right, it's not a
pod.
Right.
I've on that note.
Have we got anything we haven'twe finished on quite a negative
there?
Let's finish off a positivethree from five, ten minutes
into that Tigers game.
We I don't think we would haveexpected three from five given
what happened.
No, no, no.
Another positive, we've got afew weeks, Grace now, where we

(56:30):
can get players back fit, and wehave got a few games that we've
got um we've got a Prem Cupgame, we've got extraway, and
then we've got the Argentinagames.
Let's hope that that is a goodgame and is done right, not the
Queensland Reds Queensland Redsthing from last season.
But we are under a bit ofpressure with players, it's got
really kind of feel like it isgoing down that same road.

(56:53):
Anyway, I'm gonna be there,having a glass of Malbec and a
and a nice steak, and uhcelebrating yet again Bristol's
connection with Argentinianrugby.
So, on that note, I thinkeverybody have a great week,
stay safe, and up the road.

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