What if your home could heal you?
Interior designer and brand strategist Katie Breidenbach is here to talk about how your physical space can shape your creativity, energy, and mental clarity. From staging a penthouse on a whim (and accidentally landing her biggest client yet) to reclaiming a dark basement as a safe cocoon during a hard season, Katie shares how she uses design to support the life she wants to live—and helps others do the same.
In this episode, we talk about:
✨ Why your closet might reveal more about your mental state than you think
✨ The Faces Behind the Spaces movement and designing beyond aesthetics
✨ The real difference between a beautiful room and a meaningful one
✨ How to declutter with purpose and reclaim your space during transitions
✨ What Omaha + Phoenix are getting right (and wrong) when it comes to design, community, and sober social options
We also nerd out on the psychology of space, ADHD piles, and how intentional design could transform everything from your living room to psychedelic therapy clinics.
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OK, I have The Universe Has Yourback cards.
Gabby Bernstein is one of my thing, one of my podcasts.
I became obsessed with when I first started listening to
podcasts like five years ago. And I'm not really like a cards
girly, but like my cousin gave me these cards.
Actually, before I started listening to Gabby Bernstein,
she just like gave these for me as a random Christmas gift.
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But I like to pull one usually, like weekly.
So I'm gonna close my eyes. I'm gonna pull from the metal.
This feels right and this is crazy.
I'm not kidding. I pulled this earlier.
When I accept the love of the universe as my primary teacher,
I will always be guided back to the light.
I love it. I love that.
Maybe that'll also speak to someone listening today.
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With that, let's jump in. And you might not have
recognized that voice. We started this a little bit
differently today. We're going to be getting into
something that I've actually been really wanting to talk
about on the podcast. And it is your space and having
your space fuel your well-being,fuel your creativity.
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And today's guest is somebody who knows a lot about that.
Katie Brendenbach is an interiordesigner and brand strategist
who specializes in event production, marketing and
design, and on the personal sideknows a lot about releasing
control, letting things go, opening yourself up to growth.
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She worked as a conference eventproducer before moving to
Arizona to advise a startup design build firm redefine its
brand and design approach. Katie's journey with autoimmune
conditions has deepened her belief in the power of
intentional spaces to really enhance your well-being.
Through Katie Noel Studio, she blends her love for vintage
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sourcing, rich textures, Moody tones.
I'm obsessed with her style and aesthetic to really create
spaces that reflect her clients personalities and really evolve
with them overtime. Right now, she's focused on her
Midtown penthouse in Omaha, NE that she staged on a whim before
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it was even listed. Katie, we need to get into the
story because as I was reading this, I was like, OK, I need the
full story. Circle right now today too,
because like the final big shipment of furniture for the
penthouse is like coming in today, which is like crazy
because like it was not supposedto be today.
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It was supposed to be end of week, but we'll get into that.
And OK, another thing I'm reallyexcited to talk to talk about is
you're launching Faces Behind the Spaces, which is a series on
your social media, your online presence, and you want to turn
it into a podcast. And I am a podcast girly, so I
love this idea, but let's just jump right in.
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Thank you so much for coming on the Becoming Obsessed podcast.
Where do you want to start? Want to start with the
penthouse? Want to start with the faces
behind spaces? Let's jump in.
So the faces behind the spaces hasn't officially launched yet,
but I noticed as someone who obviously follows a lot of
interior designers and is in that world that you would see a
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lot of the spaces and they're beautiful, gorgeous.
Obviously everyone that is in that has an eye will make
something look great because they are intentional and they
have the craft. But one thing I noticed just
from my own personal experience is that I never saw the people
living in the spaces that they were designing for.
And that is a lot of people don't realize interior designers
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like our number one job really is like we are detectives
because we are using our clientseveryday life and like the most
intimate personal setting that they use to go home and be
themselves and reconnect with themselves or fuel themselves or
just be lazy or be power. Whatever they use it for is like
their own little portal to becoming who they want to become
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or who they are. And it's just interesting
because you see these spaces andlike people see it and they're
like, oh, that's that certain style or that Smith century
modern or that's little Tulum vibes or whatever they want to
like follow. But there's so much more behind
it and so much more behind the client's story of why we create
certain spaces. Like some of the first projects
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I've been working on before I even like officially became an
interior designer was like, not how I would design my space or
not exactly my style. And the story behind why we
became or why that space became what it was had so much to do
with the, the people that we that I was designing for.
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And so I've been very intentional with launching my
business just because it's been in the last, like it hasn't even
been a full year yet. It's been a year since I went to
interior design school in Portland back in January 2024.
I just got this click and it wasone of those like pings from the
universe. God, that like this is something
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that you love to do because a lot of my, my first job ever was
actually communications and writing.
And so I worked at a a Fortune 500 financial industry firm,
which is like not my Forte at all, but I wrote a lot of good
stories about the associates that worked there.
And a lot of it was like the NewYork Marathon.
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What was their journey behind why they decided to do the New
York Marathon? Because we had a lot of
associates in New York City. And then another thing, which
was crazy was when they were going, when we were going over
to working from home because of COVID, was interviewing
branches. Each was TD Ameritrade and they
have like little branches. So they weren't technically part
of like the big corporate officeand branches are smaller because
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they meet with clients. So it was like a totally new
direction that they were going in.
And I supported leadership that supported branches.
So I was going to be interviewing them on how they
were like basically starting a whole new way of doing their job
and their space had so much to do with that.
So it's like little pings from past roles too that always kind
of aligned with like where I'm at right now.
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But anyway, that's where I kind of am like wow, my first
project, which leads into the penthouse story, I just had
gotten done with design school and I was just on fire,
obviously, but I still didn't have any of my trade accounts
opened yet. I still had no idea how I was
going to run my own business. Like I just, I had so much
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experience in past roles and like, you know, gaining my
getting my promotion, so I understood how the logistics of
it all worked. But doing it for yourself is a
completely different ball game, as you probably know.
And I have a very close family friend who lives in a midtown
penthouse. And he kind of served as like
one of the first safe spaces andsafe people for me and my mom
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and that. And at that point of our lives,
because we had just moved to Omaha and he was an architect
and he's someone like, he's likemy dad.
He's like my second dad kind of.And he was going out of town the
weekend that I was getting back and I had all these ideas for
his penthouse. Cause I've been doing an
interior. I was always doing interior
design before I actually decidedto make it my career.
So I was always like, you live in one of the coolest places in
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Omaha. Like let me help you 'cause I
just love this. Before I even knew I was gonna
make it like my full time job. And so he happened to leave that
weekend and I was like, I just want to like move a few things
around, like let me just kind ofhelp you here.
And he trusted me. So I like went in and like
literally completely redesigned his office, his guest room and
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then his bathrooms, as well as like his main great room.
He already had some great furnitures.
He is an architect and he had a good mid century style type of
he knew his style, I should say.So I did that and I was like,
wow, this, this just confirmed that I'm making the right
choice. I called up my friend who's a
photographer and was like, hey, I just did this on a whim.
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I was kind of on the fence, likeif I was going to go apply for
another role that was similar tomy past roles and do interior
design on the side. And I was like, no, I'm going
all in. Even if I don't know what I'm
doing. I'm just surrendering, letting
go. And so that turned out being
like one of my favorite shoots that I've had so far.
And when we were going over the photos and I was creating my
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website because that's what I used to do too.
I used to do branding and marketing and create websites.
I was showing the owner of the penthouse the photos.
And then I was like, gosh, I just like wanna use.
I wish I could just use the other side, 'cause it was on the
penthouse. There's his unit and then
another unit. And I am familiar with that
other unit. So it was actually Warren
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Buffett's secretary and she was moving one time and I didn't see
her, but she had this like date sale type, but she let people in
that unit in the building come in, buy her stuff.
So I saw that place and it was totally different than his.
I had the same structural background.
And I just wish I could go in there because I knew no one was
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in there. And he was like, well, it's
actually empty right now and it's been unlocked.
I have been helped like showing people the unit, but no one's
really aware of that. It's even open.
And I was like, hmm, so it's an it's open and it's completely
cleared out. So maybe I'll go and dabble and
see what I can do. And this was a few months down
the road. I already worked on like a few
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smaller scale projects, but I wanted this unit because I loved
it and it was something that I could start from scratch.
But keep in mind too, it wasn't like I was having clients
usually pay for white glove delivery.
They pay for all the furnishing.So that's not coming out of my
pocket. But I didn't have any of that.
So this was everything that was going into this unit was going
to be done by me and only by me.And so I ended up doing it and I
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took a week to just like not even a floor plan.
Usually you make a floor plan before and you make a mood board
and you do all of that. And I already know I'm I I.
Part of my in your head it's already.
In my head, and I'm just going to flow with what I got and a
lot of it was a lot of vintage source items, furniture that I
had used in other projects, but I wanted to make it look
completely brand new. And I did it.
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I decided and did it. And maintenance came up one day
when we were like in the photo shoot and they're like, what are
you doing? And I was like, I'm so and so's
interior designer over here, andwe were potentially gonna change
things up on that side of the unit.
So we're just getting this briefly.
It'll be out of here in a second.
I'm like, Oh no, we like what you did with the place.
Yeah, like looks great. So.
But still, this is probably not the right way to go about
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things, but what there's no right or wrong way when you're
pursuing your dreams, right? And so I did a photo shoot for
that. And then a few weeks later, I
was told that someone that I knew through the person that was
moving in there was going to move in there.
He saw the photos and was like, I want to move in there.
So he moved in there and hired me as his interior designer.
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And it was just a full circle moment because I had so many 1.
You can't like I was like, am I like breaking in right now?
Like this is kind. Of yeah, I feel like, am I
breaking the law? Yeah, I'm like, is this, I'm
like, should I be telling the story?
But I think it's like the universe just guiding me.
I'm like, that's just what are the coincidences of that
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happening? And it's been my biggest project
so far. And like I mentioned, literally
today is going to be one of our last big shipments coming in.
And it's been the process and the dream of doing the full
thing of working with my trade accounts that I've been going
to. I traveled to North Carolina and
Vegas to set up accounts with certain wholesale trade vendors
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so my clients can get furniture that normal clients couldn't
find. If they went into, they could
probably find a Nebraska Furniture Mart or they could
probably go and search. But I also gave my clients like
a 20% discount off of brand new stuff.
So they would not be getting theprices and they would also not
be getting it as soon as well assourcing something where they
would probably not even imagine them having it.
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I don't know the materials or they don't know how to even
rearrange their furniture. So many people think it needs
everything needs to be up against a wall and it's like,
no, that's actually not what youwant.
You want it to feel breathable. Obviously in some situations,
like I live in a one bedroom apartment, I have to have my
couch up against a wall unless it's going to be floating in the
middle of nowhere and there's noflow with that.
But it's just, it was an opportunity for me to really
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prove to myself that like if I wanted to get the clients and if
I wanted to do the work and get the portfolio of my dreams, that
I was going to have to do thingsa little differently.
I love hearing all this. We've been able to see each
other a handful of times, but I really don't feel like I've
gotten your story. And I wanna go back to what you
started with, which is you can tell a designer I want mid
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century modern or I want a Tulumvibe and that's what you see
online. But I love the idea of really
understanding how that's shaped for a specific person and
lifestyle. I have some friends and I go to
their house and I'm like, this is a museum.
I could spend hours in here justmoseying around.
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Every time I come, there's something new to kind of look
at. And it just feels like them in a
way that I've been to some homesthat are like, they look like an
interior design designer came and set them and no one ever
stepped foot in there again. You know what I mean?
It doesn't feel like it has thatpersonality, even if it's quote
UN quote pretty. And I love this idea of being a
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detective and going into a client's lifestyle and
personality and pulling out what's going to fit for them to
make their life more of what they want it to be when they're
at home. Well, I am trying to make my
niches pushing my clients out-of-the-box and not and like
creating something that's something where they step in and
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they're like, this doesn't even feel like me, but I feel like a
lot of people are so secure and safe with what they've always
been around. And so they like, think they
like what they like and they don't even know why they like
it. So I really try to like dig deep
on like, OK, so you say you like, let's say this, this piece
of furniture, this chair, Why doyou like this chair?
Like, is it the, is it because it's comfortable?
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Is it because you, it's been around since you've gotten your
first place out of college? And it's really asking those
questions. And that's one thing that I
think has always been my strength in all my roles was I
always ask questions. And my problem, which I mean is
the strength was I could always identify what could be better.
And this was a profession where they literally hire you to tell
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you what could be better versus like me just saying, hey, this
is how this could be better. And then being like, I don't
want to hear it. We already have too much on our
plate. Like let's not get into that.
And I was like, well, this is perfect because I could do this
all day. And not in a way of like over
making everything perfect, but making everyone feel aligned
with who they are. Like I said, like I think
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specifically with interior design, how I knew that it was
something that I wanted to pursue was because I looked back
in my 20s, I'm 30 now and that'skind of a big milestone.
And each place that I moved intowas like a new journey or a new,
maybe not even an up level sometimes.
Like sometimes I ended up in a basement and I didn't want to be
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in that dark basement, but I hadto make it feel like me and I
would like use that basement as my like little cocoon before I
fluttered into my next big era. But if I didn't make it feel not
like a dungeon. And like really like there was a
certain basement that I moved into with my good friend at the
time who she was just recently divorced and she had a 5 year
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old and the basement was just not finished because she had
bought the the house with her then husband.
I was not for sure if I wanted to sign a lease in Omaha 'cause
I was kind of transitioning jobsthen at that point too.
But we both just kind of knew that it was divine timing for me
just move in there. And we completely transformed
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that basement and ended up becoming so cute as one of the
cutest places I've ever stayed in because I had like a whole
basement to myself. But we had to completely RIP out
the like gross blue carpet. And it's funny because we
thought we were going to have todo flooring, paint all of it,
but we just ripped out that carpet and the paint looked
normal, like the everything looked great.
Like you just you would be surprised by like 1.
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Change can change so much. And so I think specifically
going back to your point of a lot of people try to like, say
they like a certain style and half the time they like say that
style, but they don't even know what that includes, like what
era that, what that even became or what materials even follow
under that certain style. And so I try to be very, I don't
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want to like say like design forDummies, but I try to articulate
that in a way where they don't even know what style they're
talking about. And I try to like, I honestly
learned that in my past roles too, because like I said, my
first job was working in finance.
I didn't know anything about finance, like about trading,
about retail, institutional, blah, blah, blah, like the
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industries I was supporting. But it was my job to create
communications for the associates to speak to clients
in a way where like these clients have no idea what
they're talking about. So I was able to like understand
the importance of communicating in a way for everyone to
understand versus the people that are specialized in that
industry. You have moved around a lot like
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I have. And so I'm envisioning as you're
talking about the basement and these different places, I'm just
picturing all the places that I've also moved to and lived in.
And so often I feel like becausesomething is so temporary, I
don't really put as much effort in.
But even being in a place for a year is a long time to be in a
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space. I'm really curious as you have
moved, you went to school in Portland.
I know you lived in Arizona, you're back in Omaha, you've
been in all these spaces. How do you start to be like, OK,
let's just figure out what this space can do and is going to do
for my life in this time period and start to incorporate
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different aspects. And like you said, sometimes you
got to pull out the carpet. Sometimes maybe it's not as big
or it's a bigger project. But how do you personally like,
start to envision that space andsee an unfinished basement and
make it into a cozy cocoon? Yeah.
Well, I think, I mean, even in this place that I'm moving in.
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So here I am like afraid of commitment apparently lease as
well. But I moved into this place
because my friend was moving to Thailand, so I took over her
lease. And so it's a short term lease
and right away, so she had left some stuff because she moved to
Thailand. She left like some of the
furniture and I completely transformed the space by
literally just like rearranging furniture.
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Like I would say that's like step one.
And that was kind of like alwaysmy hint and how I wanted to be
an interior designer because anytime that I was stressed out or
I just like felt like I needed to like completely get rid of
all my things and buy a whole new, like a, buy a whole new
piece of art, a whole piece of new furniture.
Couldn't afford that at the time, which is funny.
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That's how I really got into like vintage sourcing too,
because I was like, I'm changingmy style so much.
That's just like who I am. I started actually like my very
first like job in high school was working in fashion and doing
fashion merchandising. And I knew that if I wanted to
continue a lifestyle where I wasevolving, my space was evolving
with who I was at that time, I needed to be creative.
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So I think one, the first thing I really like to do when I move
into a space is declutter what no longer serves me.
And that's hard for me because Ione, like I mentioned you
mentioned in my bio, like I struggle.
I have autoimmune like I have anautoimmune condition and I have
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type 1 diabetes which I know that's like not relative what
I'm saying, but I also have ADHDand so.
When I feel over stimulated by so much, I'm like freeze, freeze
mode. And that also like my mental
state also effects my hormonal state, which like type 1
diabetes is like a hormonal autoimmune condition.
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And I noticed when I was moving into these spaces and I felt
like so overwhelmed and everything felt so cluttered.
I like wasn't optimizing to the best of my ability.
So the step one would be decluttering.
I think for becoming, you know, if you want to become some have
a place that you become impulsedwith is to get rid of the things
that no longer really serve you,which is, you know, I even I was
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in Arizona this last week and I had a lot of my stuff still
there and a lot of my are a lot of furniture there, but I didn't
need it because I had furniture here And I really like had to
have like a a little like momentwith myself of like this served
its purpose. And I used a lot of that stuff
to actually help my friend design her new home there.
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And so it's, it's a lot of understanding that like there's
years of consuming and then there's years of purging and
then you get to that space. And I feel like at that point,
if you have a good sense of trust with yourself, you know
what actually is something you want and what is something
you're just holding on to because you feel like you
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should. Yeah, on becoming obsessed.
Talk a lot about shedding your sheds.
And so sometimes you're gonna shed those sheds that are
couches and furniture and whatever decor.
But I relate so much to the ADHDside of that and ADHD piles,
sometimes they just, you have these piles.
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And it really is something I've noticed and learned through
research that your visual space does affect your mental space.
And so it's to me, this very strong visualization and
association that when my ADHD piles start to get out of
control, that's a symptom of where my brain is.
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And by even taking a day to justdeep clean, I actually did that
this last weekend. I've been slowly moving into my
partner's space. And so I needed more drawer
space. So we got that organized, got
the ADHD piles and then it was like, OK, and now we're going to
deep clean the whole bedroom andget all the dust bunnies off the
fan and out from under the couch.
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And it was such, this moment of seeing the pile get bigger than
it usually is was such a signal that my internal being wasn't
where I wanted it to be. And one way that I fixed that or
helped my mental was by clearingout the space.
And So what you're saying, and that's why I love that you're on
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this podcast and that we get to talk about this, because I
really do think there's a strongconnection with your physical
space and your internal well-being.
I'm curious when you're working with clients and even in your
own experience, like how you're helping to use the space to
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create it in a way that it's going to lead their well-being
and lean into their lifestyle. Yeah, I mean, it's funny you say
that Like you see the piles in same 100%.
If I really want to have like anhonest look with my internal
well-being, I look inside of my closet.
That's where we're at right now.That's what my brain looks like
inside my head right now. Secret.
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Part of my brain where that's like decluttered obviously, like
we all have our space that we want to make look great for
everyone that comes around it. But the secret parts of our
space like our little closet areas when you know how how I
know how I'm feeling. But it's interesting because I
will say. Each.
Client is so different in terms of how they decide to open up
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with how they operate on a day-to-day level.
Specifically with the penthouse project.
Both of them are males, so there's not a lot of
conversation about feelings and how what potentially is
something that they could optimize in their life because
they just want to have it look nice and that's the way it is.
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So when it comes to something where I know that they're not
going to really open up deeply, I want to know about times in
their life where they felt a certain way and why they felt
that way. So he had opened up about he
went to, he lived in Portland, OR Seattle, somewhere in Oregon,
and he loved going for walks across the street because it was
so green at this park and the mountains saw the mountains in
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the background. And he was like, but I felt most
alive when I was in Miami. And so I just take those little
clues and I'm like, OK, well, I'm one, I'm designing an
office. So I don't want to make the
office feel like he's partying in Miami.
So we'll probably gravitate towards more of the materials
and colors of living in Oregon and Portland.
But he also has this like his bedroom and that's somewhere
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where you can also relax, but also somewhere where it's like
it's a very large bedroom. So it's like his bedroom area.
And then he has like a little relaxation area, a little mini
office over there. So that's where we can
incorporate more fun colors because that's really who you
are and that's for you. So just asking those questions
is really important. But when I think specifically
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for my clients lifestyle, let's say they do have the condition
and or they have something whereit's not easy for them to talk
about, but they know that it needs to be an important part of
their day-to-day in their space.It's just really giving them
that opportunity to be vulnerable.
And I think that's my strength is shedding the light on my
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conditions cuz in my early 20s it was something I wanted to
never bring up. I just felt at first it was
embarrassing even though it's like not embarrassing at all.
Most of us have some type of neuro diverting problem.
Not problem. I find it as a gift now.
But even with my my type 1 diabetes, I I can look back and
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I remember when I was diagnosed I lived in a smaller town in
Nebraska. So I remember being diagnosed in
this like just off awful cold room.
And I was like getting the worstnews in my life.
But I just was like, this is what I was 13.
But then I was in an ambulance and they took me to the
Children's Nebraska Children's Hospital and the floor and the
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room was decorated and a little bit more cozy.
And it just made me feel like I don't know what this next thing
in my life is going to be, but Ifeel like I can like breathe a
little bit more. And I remember in that moment,
that was such a defining moment.And it was such a small little
detail that stuck with me that always was kind of in my
subconscious when like some big things were going on in my life
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and I knew that I needed to makemy space feel OK, to make me
feel OK. And I just being vulnerable and
telling people my own story is probably my gift a little bit.
Some designers were never taughtthat approach.
It's not like I was taught that approach.
It's just how I kind of ended uphere.
It's important that at the end of the day, we all remember, we
all kind of feel the same emotions and feel the same
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feelings and we all have our unique, I like to say cross like
crosses that we that we bear to help us realize that our pain is
actually something that can create really amazing things in
our life. I think your home can be a
catalyst for that for sure. It makes me think of Michael
Pollan. I don't know if you're familiar
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with him. He's a journalist slash author,
and he has a book, How to ChangeYour Mind with Psychedelics.
And he really goes into the history of psychedelics and how
they were originally used in research.
And then of course, the, you know, sixties, 70s, they were
super villainized and really taken out of research.
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And a lot of it was kind of a race.
And one of the reasons that the government wasn't allowing or
funding research with certain psychedelics like psilocybin was
because the government was like,OK, we're going to try and
reproduce these studies. And when they would reproduce
these, like clinical trials and studies, they didn't get the
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same results. And the explanation, looking
back, the reason they didn't getthe same results and didn't get
positive results was because these original trials would have
these psilocybin sessions in a room that was like had religious
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images on the wall and plant images and was like in this like
cozy space. And then when the government did
the trials, it was like brick cylinder basements, nothing on
the walls like white coat. And the set and setting is
really the the terms they use for these studies too.
But because the setting was so abrasive, it impacted the mental
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experience, like the trip, the actual experience of the
patient. And So what you're saying isn't
just like, Oh yeah, that's nice experience.
It's like, no, science shows us that that that has a real
impact. And it's so funny because, yeah,
we can talk about it for our ownlives.
But I'm thinking of anyone who is like a service provider or
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professional. Maybe if there's a doctor
listening, put up a nice little,bring some fresh flowers into
the room, do something so that it's not as sterile because like
you said, that impacts so much of your experience, especially
when you're receiving life changing news.
Yeah, that is, I need what was that book called?
I need to like, I need to read that, I need to dig into that.
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It's called. Thing.
Yeah, it's How to Change Your Mind with Psychedelics by
Michael Pollan. Huge plug.
He's been my favorite author journalist since I was in
college. He started as a food journalist,
so he has some popular books called like The Omnivores
Dilemma, like a handful of books, and then he came out with
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this one and now he has a secondbook that is Your Mind on Plants
and it talks about caffeine and what caffeine does to your brain
and body and other drugs as well.
So yeah, I would definitely get it to listen.
That's something I I I see in myfuture.
I haven't done a project like that yet but I know in Omaha
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Academy clinics are becoming thenext thing to help with really
severe any mental. Yeah, like PTSD and.
Depression, anxiety, all of those things.
And I just think having an optimized space would just
completely enhance that experience for clients,
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especially regarding literally what you're talking about right
now. So and I and I, I've never done
that, but I would be life changing for a lot of people.
And maybe eventually down the road I'll try to.
I'm like, hey, your brain creates a reality, so let's make
it the best place ever to be. Yeah, two things there.
And I love We're about to go down a tangential rabbit hole,
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but I was in Phoenix a couple weeks ago and there was
literally a sign, just a normal,you know how you're driving and
it's like dentist. There is one that was like
ketamine clinic. And I was like, what?
OK, interesting. Just straight up sign, walk in,
book yourself an appointment. But there is a podcast that I
love called Radiolab. It's by NPR and they had an
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episode and now I won't be able to remember what it's called.
Oh Nope, it's not coming to me. But the episode talked about it
had this research doctor on and it was talking about how they
are using things like MDMA and psilocybin to open up critical
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periods, which in terms of our brain, a critical period is when
you learn how to use motor skills, when you learn social
skills, these points in our lifewhere your brain is open to
learning and then it basically shuts down and it's harder to
learn. So a great example of this is
motor skills and being able to use your hands and move.
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And when you have a stroke, it'sso hard to get that motion and
that the ability to move back because this critical period is
closed. And so they're now using this
research that shows like psilocybin can help open up
these critical periods and hoping to use that research to
be able to help stroke patients.They're they're not there yet to
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prove that it helps after a stroke, but that's the direction
they're going, which is really interesting to watch.
I love that and I think that themore I I understand people's
concerns with obviously some people here psychedelics and
they're like, I'm not wanting toget out of my mind, get out of
this world to like feel better. But I think it's really just
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tapping into our heart space, Speaking of our card, as when I
accept the love of the universe as my primary teacher, I'll
always be guided back to the light.
We obviously have our ego be such a huge part of what
protects us. I think that was like a huge
thing in my 20s, I realized was these like harsh inner voices or
inner critics about who I am or what I was doing or the certain
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role I thought I needed to play in order to be accepted, in
order to be loved was really just like blocking all of that.
And the minute that you kind of understand like, oh, this isn't
me, like I'm going to, I'm not like, it is me.
They're parts of me. And I like, I learned that a lot
in therapy. I've been in therapy for, I
mean, probably six or seven years now.
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And I learned about internal family systems.
And that's funny. I go to my therapist's office
and I'm like, oh, did you get a new, like, did you get a new
piece of furniture or did you get a new piece of art?
Do you guys need help with that?But I think that if people
understood like, I think I've never done ketamine and I but I,
from what I understand, it's really being able to feel those
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feelings without having your brain kind of take control of
how to narrate that. You know, that certain situation
of like, let's say you had a stroke or something really
traumatic happened to you and your childhood that, you know,
obviously made it harder for youto Start learning.
There's just so much good comingout from that.
And I'm like really excited to see that even become more of a
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topic in Omaha, NE because I think we're kind of like the
smaller city that gets kind of looked over.
People think like we're, you know, in the middle of nowhere.
So let's stick with our conservative values and do
things the way they've always been.
But I really have seen since moving back to Omaha, this kind
of becoming a new city where people are open to new ideas and
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innovative ways of making our lives better and us healthier.
That's something that I was kindof sad at first leaving Arizona
because I did move there and I saw how everyone looked so
healthy. Like even like, like my first
yoga class I went to like there were mostly people like in their
50s and 60s I remember. And I was like, you guys look
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how like, you look more in shapethan I do.
I think like, and I wasn't having that experience here in
Omaha. But then I came back and
obviously my mom has women with voices.
And one of the first talks that I went to when I moved back was
someone talking about her ketamine experience and how it
completely changed her life after her being on
antidepressants and doing all the things that we've been told
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to do for so long. And so that's another reason why
I'm like, OK, I feel I feel at ease and I feel excited for, you
know, the future of what's what's going to be showing, like
what's going to be shed the light, what's how the light is
going to be shed on these issueshere in Omaha, I guess.
Yeah. I think there's a lot of groups
too that are starting to, you know, utilize a safe space for
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people to talk about it more too.
There's so much in what you justsaid one if anyone is listening
instead of me going down a 20 minute rabbit hole about the
history of why psychedelics werevillainized.
The government like coding structure that allows for
opioids and not psychedelics hasway more to do with money and
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race and class than it does withthe danger of the drug and the
level of addiction you can experience.
So instead of me butchering all of that, go read Michael
Pollan's book. What?
I think there's something on Netflix too about it.
Yeah, Michael Pollan actually. His book was made into a Netflix
show or series or episode. He also has a series called
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Cooked that is on Netflix, and it speaks to the evolution of
how humans discovered you could cook food over fire.
You could bake food and have thegases in it.
And it's like this evolutionary discovery, which is really cool.
Yeah, that's awesome. But when it comes to Omaha,
something that I talk about so much is there is this
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perspective that like, Oh yeah, you know, something is great.
So we probably don't have it in Omaha or like, I've never heard
of that. So we probably don't have it in
Omaha without ever looking for it.
And almost anything that you wish is here is here.
You just have to actually look for it.
And people aren't great about, you know, making it easy to find
here. I will say that.
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But I'm curious, since you've really moved back to Omaha,
you're talking about your kind of new perspective on it.
I'm obsessed with Omaha. I love it.
So I would love to hear what your.
Kind. Of perspective or reintegration
into Omaha, How that's gone? Yeah.
That's such a good question because I think like I said last
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week, I was just in Arizona and so obviously there's some
bittersweet feelings that ariseswith it.
I'm glad I'm actually going to be in Omaha like for good right
now 120° there for three months.But I think specifically with
Omaha, I, you said a lot of people don't look for it.
And I think that's so true. And it's crazy because even if
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you go to cities like Phoenix oreven like beautiful surrounding
areas of like like Sedona, for example, you'll hear, you'll
hear people say why they don't like it.
Like I was just in Arizona and Iwas staying since I didn't,
don't live at the place I used to live.
It was a Gilbert. I was staying at a place in Mesa
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and I wasn't as familiar. So they're like the little, like
little smaller towns around Phoenix, Scottsdale area.
And I asked a girl that I was checking out of the store with
like a good hiking area. And she was like, I don't go.
I don't go for walks, I don't gohiking.
I don't go outside. I'm like what?
Like you? You're like, you're literally in
the best place for it. And it's like the perfect like,
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and I was just like dumbfounded a little bit and like not
judging, but just like how, how do we take something like I feel
like the one thing obviously Omaha isn't the top city of is
nature and mountains and really unique trails.
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I mean there I know there's trails and what not, but
obviously it's weather permitting and what not.
So I think that was just like something that was crazy to me.
And then I come back here and one thing I really love about
Omaha and like my new area is the Gene Leahy Mall park Center.
I was like, there's so many people out here and there's like
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parks like that all around Arizona and like I would go
there and there would be like hardly anyone out there and it's
just crazy. I think the main reason I moved
to Arizona for the, you know, the brief time that I was able
to was because of consistent weather before I got to be
crazy, 100° temps. And then that was like really
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the only big thing that stood out.
And obviously there's. It's bigger, it's a new
opportunity. I interior design.
It's interior design is big everywhere, but like Scottsdale
market is a whole nother level. That was a great part of my
journey because I feel like I can use a lot of what I
experienced there and learn there and bring it to Omaha,
which might not be, you know, that might not.
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I haven't seen that here. And so I'm excited to kind of
implement what I learned there in my own work, but specifically
in Omaha too, like there's so much growth and you also find
community to do it with. And I think a lot of people
assume if you're living in a bigcity that you automatically will
find that community. They a lot of from my own
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personal experience, obviously, I didn't live there for years
and years to build something huge, but no one really had like
a community. And I think specifically when I
look back in my like points in my life when I was, you know,
going through big transitions orI wasn't as happy was because I
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wasn't kind of making the effortto be a part of a certain
community. And it's really important to to
be around people who have your same values and your same
morals. And from my experience, when I
had been in bigger cities, it was very much about the scene
and very much about what you were doing and who you were
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doing it with, even if those people around you didn't make
you feel like your best self. And I know that's, you know,
that's everywhere, but I think here it was a lot easier to be
around genuine, open minded, light hearted individuals.
And it just felt, it just feels safe.
But it also feels like I can grow and I can expand,
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especially like so before I moved to Arizona, I lived alone
in Millwork Commons. I had an apartment there and
that was just starting to be developed.
And I was like kind of bummed. Like there was like some like,
Dang it, like of course I move here now.
All these things are being builtaround this apartment because my
apartment was one of the first apartments to be built but down
there. But I think what they're doing
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over there is just like so incredible and like the the vibe
and the aesthetic and the designof the entire place is so
intentional. And you feel like you're not in
a small town in Nebraska. Let's just say that.
And I think now I live in LittleBohemia and I love this area and
it's developing really fast and I'm so excited to see how that
grows. But there's so many areas where
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you can explore and have a certain vibe and not a lot of
people I think realize that. Omaha specifically, even from
when I first moved here, I, whenI graduated college, it was
2017. Like it was always like, OK,
well, if we want to have this vibe, we'll go to Benson.
If we want to have this vibe, we'll go to Blackstone.
If we want to have this vibe, we'll go to Exarban.
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And I was like, huh, that's likea really cool concept that we
can even talk about that. I know like obviously Omaha
doesn't have like a really big city life, more or less like big
club scene, which is like, I'm, I'm not, I'm 30 now.
I don't really need that. But I think for the most part,
like when it comes to how you want to like build and create a
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life for yourself, is you going out there and like showing up.
And a lot of people assume they moved to a bigger city and like
all of that's going to fall intoplace and maybe it will for them
too. And there's, and there's nothing
wrong with leaving and coming back.
I actually think there's some really great, I found great
purpose in that in my story. And I don't know if I'll be here
forever, but I know it'll alwaysbe like a piece of home for
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sure. Could talk about Omaha all day
long, and I do. Are you from you?
Grew up here your whole life. Yeah, Katie, thanks for asking.
I am from Omaha. I went to Central High School,
so the downtown high school, foranyone listening who doesn't
know what it looks like, look itup.
It's gorgeous. And they just put this huge
addition on, which is really cool.
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They basically built a new performing arts and library, and
they have now they have a sunrise club where they'll go to
the library, watch the sunrise over downtown Omaha.
And I'm like, wow, I wish I had that in high school.
But then I went to university inTulsa, OK, which is really,
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really strangely almost It's probably the most similar city
to Omaha you could find. This is so crazy you're saying
that. I'm sorry to interrupt.
My friend came here. Well, her, well, it's my best
friend and her boyfriend came here and that's when I lived in
Millwork Commons and he like waslooking and he's like, I feel
like I'm in Tulsa and I was like, what?
What's I never like? I don't know anything about
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Tulsa. So that's so interesting because
he like, I'm going to tell him this later that you said this.
That's crazy. No, it's seriously, you never
would have thought that before Iwent.
But both Tulsa and Omaha, they're about the same size.
Omaha now is with the metro. We broke a million people.
So we are officially a million, a million person city.
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Tulsa's a little bit smaller, but both are the blue dot in
their states, so a lot more liberally minded.
Both are really big on art, a huge art scene, a lot of support
for the arts. I know in Omaha we maybe don't
always think that, but compared to a lot of places that we
really do have good support and Tulsa's similar.
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And what's interesting is the difference to me almost is that
Tulsa is a little bit more progressive and their government
has almost been more supportive of small business and
entrepreneurship for a little bit longer than which has been
really interesting. Both have thriving
entrepreneurship communities, business incubators.
Both have universities within them that are a big part of the
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city, but not the city exists just for them like Lincoln NE
are still there. And then just the layout as well
is so similar. You have these kind of art
districts. You have like Exarbin, Benson,
Little Bohemia downtown and Tulsa is the same.
You have like Cherry Street, these different neighborhoods
that all feel very distinct fromeach other, but they're really
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accessible. And then you also have W Omaha,
literally South Tulsa, which is West Omaha and it feels like
completely separated to me. I'm like Omaha is downtown.
It's east of 90th. Everything W Omaha couldn't even
be Omaha. It's so removed from what I
think of as Omaha. And that's kind of how Tulsa is
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as well. It's just so similar and plug
for Tulsa. One last thing I'll say that is
the most sad and interesting part is in the early 1900s, it
was Black Wall Street in Tulsa. And so it was the most wealthy
thriving black community in the US by my understanding.
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And they always called it the Tulsa race riots and now Tulsa
race massacres because it was a massacre and they burned down
the the neighborhoods and Black Wall Street.
And so again, it's that kind of like core of like Omaha and
Tulsa, both have so much more diversity in parts of it and a
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lot of really successful minority communities that have
not always been supported or have really been suppressed in
different ways, which I think adds to the richness and the art
and and just so much of the culture.
And again, why I say it's like WOmaha, South Tulsa feel so
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separated from like the the inner city or like this proper
city. So anyway, I could talk about
this forever, but it is. Even when you mentioned the
history that I remember learningmore about the history of Omaha
and I forgot what it was called,there was a movie about it about
how Omaha put segregated lines of this you can live here and
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you can live here. And it's just so interesting.
About how our redlining, yeah, was really strong there like the
more. You know, and I'll say I lived
briefly in WO as at some points in my life, both temporary
points and there's like obviously some strengths to West
Omaha for sure. But definitely, I feel like if
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you are in your 20s or 30s, it'sprobably more beneficial for you
to kind of explore this side of town.
This is where I I love this so much.
And like I said, I can talk about Omaha for days, but when
you mention that Omaha doesn't have the club culture, the
nightlife scene, I think Tulsa is similar in this way as well.
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Where if you're in New York, Chicago, you have so many like
childless, single or even married couples that are into
their 30s, forties, 50s, whatever.
And in Omaha, because Nebraska as a whole is so like nuclear
family focused, you just have a lot less people who don't need
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child care to go out. And I don't think we have enough
people going out to support a like weekly ongoing nightlife.
Yeah. That's my hot take.
I almost happened to nightclub in 2019 with some friends and
then COVID happened so thank Godwe didn't but no.
Well, hey, maybe 20/20/25 is like the year of like shit
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blowing up. Sorry, I just sorry about that.
But I'm like, is it going to be a year maybe to do that
honestly? Yeah, I'm out of that game.
I'm good on it, but I'll throw some events I'm here for.
I'm here for the events. And I think that's where, yes, I
think that's where Omaha thrivesis You get a lot of people going
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out on certain days or showing up for one off or events that
happened recurringly. But it's really hard for a bar
to keep their scene going throughout the year, week after
week. Well, a lot of kind of time back
into are psychedelic conversation.
I think a lot of people are starting to turn to sober
socials. And.
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Or more ways of connecting that don't involve you completely,
completely getting out of your mind, which is great.
And I think that's great that some people are starting to feel
like they can actually still be themselves and have just as much
fun without having to completelyhate themselves the next day
from feeling hungover. Katie, OK, this is actually
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hilarious. I just, you were like, yeah,
it's your time to open a nightclub.
And then I'm like, no. And then you're saying that
literally yesterday I was driving by a bar that has a
patio. It's super nice out.
I was like, I want to go sit at the bar's patio and not drink.
And I was talking about opening a non alcoholic.
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I don't know if you've ever had cane euphorics, the drink.
Yeah. Like, what if it was all like
cane euphorics and neurotropics and these drinks that make you
feel happy, but they are non alcoholic.
I would love to go there. And Nick was like, you might be
the only one there. And I was like, OK, well, I
think I could find enough peopleto come.
Well, I think you could definitely, definitely make that
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work. Yeah, like a sober club, Like a
sober lounge, Yeah. There was a sober lounge in
downtown briefly. I know because I'm an event
there. I forgot what it was called.
It was off Leavenworth, yeah. But I don't know if the
location, like downtown's great,but it wasn't like by any other
bars. So I think maybe putting it in a
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place where there's other bars and then you kind of like walk
past, you're like, oh, maybe I want to use this first going
here. And granted, like there's
nothing wrong with going to the bar still not having a good
cocktail. Like I still will always love a
good foodie drink experience, but I just think it's really
cool that this is actually something people are excited
about versus like what you're doing.
Like, I just did a steel house tour yesterday actually, and.
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With the young professionals. Yeah, yeah.
And I didn't know that we that that we that they have NA
tequila, gin, whiskey. I didn't even know there was NA
options for that. But they have like craft
cocktails specifically for NA. And I was like, oh, that's
pretty cool for a concert venue.Usually it's just like you have.
Like a soda. Yeah, your Wells well drinks and
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then some beer and wine, but. Well, that's my biggest thought
on it is when I don't drink whenI'm out at a bar and I'm not
drinking alcohol, it's all stilllike so often it's like so
sugary or it's all these things I that are like, I'd rather put
tequila in my body than whateverthat thing is.
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And so it's this middle ground of like, how can we incorporate
things that like make you feel good but aren't just trigger
dairy, you know, mocktails. Trust me I'm type 1 diabetic.
I know exactly what you mean. I like have not experienced the
array of yummy drinks out. I mean, I could have them, but
sometimes I'm just like, is it worth it?
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Yeah, well, let's get into our last round of questions.
And since we're talking about fun drinks, what drinks are you
obsessed with lately? Alcohol, non alcohol, cocktail,
whatever. But what is your go to,
especially as the weather is turning nice?
Currently in my fridge that I'veliterally gone through a pack
since I've got it from Costco. I have like 4 left is I think
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they're called Ollie Pop. Oh yes.
The probiotic sodas, I didn't I,I love carbonation.
I, I will say I'm not like a bigpot person, but I do love a good
diet. Doctor Pepper.
And then I realized I was havinglike one a day and I was like, I
don't want to be that person. So I switched over to this and I
love it. I love flavored.
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I'd like I, I try to drink a lotof water.
I know we are told that that's important, but when it's
flavored, I do drink it more. I'm like, I think that's another
ADHD thing where we're stimulated by census.
Sometimes I need it, sometimes Ineed like I have my water bottle
here. I try to take drink like 60 to
90 oz a day, but I love a can. I love something.
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At the end of the day. It's like you want to grab wine,
but I don't need the alcohol. I just want a fun little drink.
Doing that too, I was noticing and I love red wine.
Like that's my weakness. Probably a little bit, but I was
like, it's easy to drink one glass and then you have three.
And then that wasn't my intention with grabbing.
Yeah, wine. There's people I follow on
TikTok that do like nighttime cocktails type thing and they do
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like beet juice with a little. And I'm like, oh, I want to get
into that. Now that I have like my place
finally settled in, I want to start experience.
I haven't done that yet, but I want to start experiencing more
with that nice nighttime cocktail to get you all warm and
sleepy before bed and have it taste great too when I'm doing
my nightly journal. Yes, I love it.
Let's talk about food in Omaha and in Phoenix or Arizona.
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What food? What places are you obsessed
with? I love food so much.
Specifically I think downtown Omaha has so many good options.
I just ate at M's pub Sunday andhad seared tuna salad and it was
a seared steak Sissy tuna with salad and I was like this is
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like the best tuna I've ever hadlike this This is wild but I
love Cleo downtown now that is. Just top of my list.
My tummy but also fills my interior design heart.
So it's just you. You would love it.
I know that is Cleo is top of mylist.
Anytime somebody's like let's gosomewhere, I'm like Cleo.
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Yeah. I love it.
Give me potatoes and a cocktail and I am happy for the rest of
my life. Yeah, and the serving, I mean, I
didn't, we did all little happy hours, so I haven't had like a
full spread there yet. But just exactly to my point of
why design is so important is when the design and the
aesthetic and the mood and the food all collab together, you
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are just in for a treat. And that was one of my first
places I came and went to and I moved back to Omaha and I was,
my heart is happy. Like there's options like this
here, but also like going back. I've heard like a lot of my
friends, there was a phase wherethey all moved to Denver.
Like they all got up and moved to Denver and it was satisfying
for for me to hear that they like missed the food in Omaha.
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And it's hard because sometimes I even I'm like, if someone
wants to go to dinner, I'm like,but where do we want to go?
You think of that, but then you're like, OK, wait.
Now being back down here too, I think completely changes it as
well because it's like all my favorite restaurants are down in
this area in Phoenix. OK.
I will say they're especially inScottsdale.
Their restaurants are incredible.
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And a lot of the reason of that too is because of the lifestyle
and the design and the experience that they upheld.
I what was the last place I had that was so good?
I also lived in, I lived in Gilbert.
So there's a downtown Gilbert. So it's kind of like a smaller
little area where you could go out and you don't feel like you
like have to dress to the nines or like you're out on the town
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for the whole night. But there is, it's
unfortunately, it's kind of likea chain.
But I still love it as Postino'sand they have the best.
And it's like all of the charcuterie boards.
I love the concept of like the different type of like breads
you can get and then it's just wine or beer that you choose
from and it's simple but just sogood.
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And just, I've never been let down by that.
So and it's just like definitelymy type of vibe.
It's like things that I normallyI try to go places that I
normally don't buy or cook for myself.
Like I don't really cook Mediterranean food like Leo's
Mediterranean, even though I probably like that's something I
should dabble into because it's so good for you.
And I'm not thinking of like unique bruschetta boards or
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creating this like amazing saladthat I I would have no, like I
just wouldn't know what ingredients to buy to make that
certain dressing and whatnot. But I think any place that has
great food but also a great aesthetic obviously aligns with
what makes me happy and what I become obsessed with.
I also love gather downtown. Love the food there.
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I love, Oh my gosh, what's it called?
It's a little wine, La Bouvette.Yes, especially now that it's
summer, there's nothing like sitting out on the little patio
with like, a glass of wine, a cheese board.
OK, I was going to ask phone. It's so.
Cute and the food I got the. Best burger ever there.
So good. Yeah, they never miss.
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Sometimes I. Will say I don't love the
calling through a phone thing because sometimes I push the
button and I'm like hello, who is anyone there going to take my
order? But I their food has never
missed for me, their desserts, their cocktails.
I just feel like you step in andyou're like in a whole nother.
Like 50s Niner Universe. I love it.
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It just feels like to be a win, like have a whole different
perception of like where you areis like, count me in.
Yeah, in Phoenix, in the Melrose.
District. Have you ever been to Valentine?
I have it, girl. OK.
It is my favorite. Restaurant My partner and I's
favorite restaurant not only in Phoenix but maybe in the US Like
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every time we're there we every time we go to Phoenix, we
basically go to the Valentine OK, I need to note that because
I know I'm very. Excited to be back in Omaha, but
I do see myself going back up toArizona quite a bit a little bit
too. And part of that too is with my
job, the whole another reason why.
I chose interior design was because of how you can be so
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flexible and you can take on projects really anywhere in the
world. Obviously you need to go on site
like a few times to visit the space and check on updates and
whatnot if they're doing a remodel.
But I do love like Southwest a good like I I love Spanish style
homes. I love like warm textured
colors. So like, I want to do
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hospitality projects and I thinka lot of those will probably be
in that area in the future. Or maybe I just create, recreate
that here in Omaha somewhere. And Speaking of that, Katie, how
can people connect with you? Work with you?
Yeah. So my my website is WWW.
Dot Katie noelstudio.com so you can go on my website, fill out a
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contact form if you're curious of wanting ideas.
I do consultations. I don't just do full scale
design. I can even do E virtual
packages. So if you already want to use
the furniture that you already have in your space and just need
to rearrange in a different way that you're not really for sure
how or like utilizing, you know,a different piece of furniture
in a different room. That's a great option.
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And then Katie Noel studio is myInstagram and Facebook as well.
And I just, I launched that in October, November.
And it's crazy 'cause I love social media so much.
I kind of use it just as my own journal, which I know a lot of
people are like, it's kind of weird, but it's bad.
That's how we should be using itas a marketer.
I'm like this is the one and only way to use it.
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Yeah, and I know I need to get better at posting more.
I know, we hear it all the time.No, you don't.
Thank you. I'll ask as your official.
Marketer. Friend.
And say no, you don't, we can chat about that later.
OK, Perfect. Thank you.
Love it Katie. Thank you So.
Much I started becoming obsessedin the beginning because it's
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such a good excuse for me to hang out with my friends and
have these conversations. And I always wanted to just
record the normal natural conversations I would have with
people. And so this has made me so happy
that we've not only really talked about how to have your
space help your Wellness, but also all the other things.
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And just crushing on Omaha and Phoenix.
I love to. Yeah.
So thank you so much for having me.
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We love when you help get the word out about becoming obsessed
because it helps us help more people build a life that they
truly love. All right y'all, now let's go
get obsessed.
OK, I have The Universe Has Yourback cards.
Gabby Bernstein is one of my thing, one of my podcasts.
I became obsessed with when I first started listening to
podcasts like five years ago. And I'm not really like a cards
girly, but like my cousin gave me these cards.
Actually, before I started listening to Gabby Bernstein,
she just like gave these for me as a random Christmas gift.
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But I like to pull one usually, like weekly.
So I'm gonna close my eyes. I'm gonna pull from the metal.
This feels right and this is crazy.
I'm not kidding. I pulled this earlier.
When I accept the love of the universe as my primary teacher,
I will always be guided back to the light.
I love it. I love that.
Maybe that'll also speak to someone listening today.
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With that, let's jump in. And you might not have
recognized that voice. We started this a little bit
differently today. We're going to be getting into
something that I've actually been really wanting to talk
about on the podcast. And it is your space and having
your space fuel your well-being,fuel your creativity.
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And today's guest is somebody who knows a lot about that.
Katie Brendenbach is an interiordesigner and brand strategist
who specializes in event production, marketing and
design, and on the personal sideknows a lot about releasing
control, letting things go, opening yourself up to growth.
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She worked as a conference eventproducer before moving to
Arizona to advise a startup design build firm redefine its
brand and design approach. Katie's journey with autoimmune
conditions has deepened her belief in the power of
intentional spaces to really enhance your well-being.
Through Katie Noel Studio, she blends her love for vintage
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sourcing, rich textures, Moody tones.
I'm obsessed with her style and aesthetic to really create
spaces that reflect her clients personalities and really evolve
with them overtime. Right now, she's focused on her
Midtown penthouse in Omaha, NE that she staged on a whim before
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it was even listed. Katie, we need to get into the
story because as I was reading this, I was like, OK, I need the
full story. Circle right now today too,
because like the final big shipment of furniture for the
penthouse is like coming in today, which is like crazy
because like it was not supposedto be today.
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It was supposed to be end of week, but we'll get into that.
And OK, another thing I'm reallyexcited to talk to talk about is
you're launching Faces Behind the Spaces, which is a series on
your social media, your online presence, and you want to turn
it into a podcast. And I am a podcast girly, so I
love this idea, but let's just jump right in.
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Thank you so much for coming on the Becoming Obsessed podcast.
Where do you want to start? Want to start with the
penthouse? Want to start with the faces
behind spaces? Let's jump in.
So the faces behind the spaces hasn't officially launched yet,
but I noticed as someone who obviously follows a lot of
interior designers and is in that world that you would see a
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lot of the spaces and they're beautiful, gorgeous.
Obviously everyone that is in that has an eye will make
something look great because they are intentional and they
have the craft. But one thing I noticed just
from my own personal experience is that I never saw the people
living in the spaces that they were designing for.
And that is a lot of people don't realize interior designers
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like our number one job really is like we are detectives
because we are using our clientseveryday life and like the most
intimate personal setting that they use to go home and be
themselves and reconnect with themselves or fuel themselves or
just be lazy or be power. Whatever they use it for is like
their own little portal to becoming who they want to become
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or who they are. And it's just interesting
because you see these spaces andlike people see it and they're
like, oh, that's that certain style or that Smith century
modern or that's little Tulum vibes or whatever they want to
like follow. But there's so much more behind
it and so much more behind the client's story of why we create
certain spaces. Like some of the first projects
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I've been working on before I even like officially became an
interior designer was like, not how I would design my space or
not exactly my style. And the story behind why we
became or why that space became what it was had so much to do
with the, the people that we that I was designing for.
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And so I've been very intentional with launching my
business just because it's been in the last, like it hasn't even
been a full year yet. It's been a year since I went to
interior design school in Portland back in January 2024.
I just got this click and it wasone of those like pings from the
universe. God, that like this is something
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that you love to do because a lot of my, my first job ever was
actually communications and writing.
And so I worked at a a Fortune 500 financial industry firm,
which is like not my Forte at all, but I wrote a lot of good
stories about the associates that worked there.
And a lot of it was like the NewYork Marathon.
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What was their journey behind why they decided to do the New
York Marathon? Because we had a lot of
associates in New York City. And then another thing, which
was crazy was when they were going, when we were going over
to working from home because of COVID, was interviewing
branches. Each was TD Ameritrade and they
have like little branches. So they weren't technically part
of like the big corporate officeand branches are smaller because
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they meet with clients. So it was like a totally new
direction that they were going in.
And I supported leadership that supported branches.
So I was going to be interviewing them on how they
were like basically starting a whole new way of doing their job
and their space had so much to do with that.
So it's like little pings from past roles too that always kind
of aligned with like where I'm at right now.
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But anyway, that's where I kind of am like wow, my first
project, which leads into the penthouse story, I just had
gotten done with design school and I was just on fire,
obviously, but I still didn't have any of my trade accounts
opened yet. I still had no idea how I was
going to run my own business. Like I just, I had so much
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experience in past roles and like, you know, gaining my
getting my promotion, so I understood how the logistics of
it all worked. But doing it for yourself is a
completely different ball game, as you probably know.
And I have a very close family friend who lives in a midtown
penthouse. And he kind of served as like
one of the first safe spaces andsafe people for me and my mom
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and that. And at that point of our lives,
because we had just moved to Omaha and he was an architect
and he's someone like, he's likemy dad.
He's like my second dad kind of.And he was going out of town the
weekend that I was getting back and I had all these ideas for
his penthouse. Cause I've been doing an
interior. I was always doing interior
design before I actually decidedto make it my career.
So I was always like, you live in one of the coolest places in
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Omaha. Like let me help you 'cause I
just love this. Before I even knew I was gonna
make it like my full time job. And so he happened to leave that
weekend and I was like, I just want to like move a few things
around, like let me just kind ofhelp you here.
And he trusted me. So I like went in and like
literally completely redesigned his office, his guest room and
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then his bathrooms, as well as like his main great room.
He already had some great furnitures.
He is an architect and he had a good mid century style type of
he knew his style, I should say.So I did that and I was like,
wow, this, this just confirmed that I'm making the right
choice. I called up my friend who's a
photographer and was like, hey, I just did this on a whim.
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I was kind of on the fence, likeif I was going to go apply for
another role that was similar tomy past roles and do interior
design on the side. And I was like, no, I'm going
all in. Even if I don't know what I'm
doing. I'm just surrendering, letting
go. And so that turned out being
like one of my favorite shoots that I've had so far.
And when we were going over the photos and I was creating my
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website because that's what I used to do too.
I used to do branding and marketing and create websites.
I was showing the owner of the penthouse the photos.
And then I was like, gosh, I just like wanna use.
I wish I could just use the other side, 'cause it was on the
penthouse. There's his unit and then
another unit. And I am familiar with that
other unit. So it was actually Warren
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Buffett's secretary and she was moving one time and I didn't see
her, but she had this like date sale type, but she let people in
that unit in the building come in, buy her stuff.
So I saw that place and it was totally different than his.
I had the same structural background.
And I just wish I could go in there because I knew no one was
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in there. And he was like, well, it's
actually empty right now and it's been unlocked.
I have been helped like showing people the unit, but no one's
really aware of that. It's even open.
And I was like, hmm, so it's an it's open and it's completely
cleared out. So maybe I'll go and dabble and
see what I can do. And this was a few months down
the road. I already worked on like a few
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smaller scale projects, but I wanted this unit because I loved
it and it was something that I could start from scratch.
But keep in mind too, it wasn't like I was having clients
usually pay for white glove delivery.
They pay for all the furnishing.So that's not coming out of my
pocket. But I didn't have any of that.
So this was everything that was going into this unit was going
to be done by me and only by me.And so I ended up doing it and I
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took a week to just like not even a floor plan.
Usually you make a floor plan before and you make a mood board
and you do all of that. And I already know I'm I I.
Part of my in your head it's already.
In my head, and I'm just going to flow with what I got and a
lot of it was a lot of vintage source items, furniture that I
had used in other projects, but I wanted to make it look
completely brand new. And I did it.
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I decided and did it. And maintenance came up one day
when we were like in the photo shoot and they're like, what are
you doing? And I was like, I'm so and so's
interior designer over here, andwe were potentially gonna change
things up on that side of the unit.
So we're just getting this briefly.
It'll be out of here in a second.
I'm like, Oh no, we like what you did with the place.
Yeah, like looks great. So.
But still, this is probably not the right way to go about
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things, but what there's no right or wrong way when you're
pursuing your dreams, right? And so I did a photo shoot for
that. And then a few weeks later, I
was told that someone that I knew through the person that was
moving in there was going to move in there.
He saw the photos and was like, I want to move in there.
So he moved in there and hired me as his interior designer.
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And it was just a full circle moment because I had so many 1.
You can't like I was like, am I like breaking in right now?
Like this is kind. Of yeah, I feel like, am I
breaking the law? Yeah, I'm like, is this, I'm
like, should I be telling the story?
But I think it's like the universe just guiding me.
I'm like, that's just what are the coincidences of that
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happening? And it's been my biggest project
so far. And like I mentioned, literally
today is going to be one of our last big shipments coming in.
And it's been the process and the dream of doing the full
thing of working with my trade accounts that I've been going
to. I traveled to North Carolina and
Vegas to set up accounts with certain wholesale trade vendors
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so my clients can get furniture that normal clients couldn't
find. If they went into, they could
probably find a Nebraska Furniture Mart or they could
probably go and search. But I also gave my clients like
a 20% discount off of brand new stuff.
So they would not be getting theprices and they would also not
be getting it as soon as well assourcing something where they
would probably not even imagine them having it.
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I don't know the materials or they don't know how to even
rearrange their furniture. So many people think it needs
everything needs to be up against a wall and it's like,
no, that's actually not what youwant.
You want it to feel breathable. Obviously in some situations,
like I live in a one bedroom apartment, I have to have my
couch up against a wall unless it's going to be floating in the
middle of nowhere and there's noflow with that.
But it's just, it was an opportunity for me to really
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prove to myself that like if I wanted to get the clients and if
I wanted to do the work and get the portfolio of my dreams, that
I was going to have to do thingsa little differently.
I love hearing all this. We've been able to see each
other a handful of times, but I really don't feel like I've
gotten your story. And I wanna go back to what you
started with, which is you can tell a designer I want mid
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century modern or I want a Tulumvibe and that's what you see
online. But I love the idea of really
understanding how that's shaped for a specific person and
lifestyle. I have some friends and I go to
their house and I'm like, this is a museum.
I could spend hours in here justmoseying around.
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Every time I come, there's something new to kind of look
at. And it just feels like them in a
way that I've been to some homesthat are like, they look like an
interior design designer came and set them and no one ever
stepped foot in there again. You know what I mean?
It doesn't feel like it has thatpersonality, even if it's quote
UN quote pretty. And I love this idea of being a
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detective and going into a client's lifestyle and
personality and pulling out what's going to fit for them to
make their life more of what they want it to be when they're
at home. Well, I am trying to make my
niches pushing my clients out-of-the-box and not and like
creating something that's something where they step in and
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they're like, this doesn't even feel like me, but I feel like a
lot of people are so secure and safe with what they've always
been around. And so they like, think they
like what they like and they don't even know why they like
it. So I really try to like dig deep
on like, OK, so you say you like, let's say this, this piece
of furniture, this chair, Why doyou like this chair?
Like, is it the, is it because it's comfortable?
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Is it because you, it's been around since you've gotten your
first place out of college? And it's really asking those
questions. And that's one thing that I
think has always been my strength in all my roles was I
always ask questions. And my problem, which I mean is
the strength was I could always identify what could be better.
And this was a profession where they literally hire you to tell
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you what could be better versus like me just saying, hey, this
is how this could be better. And then being like, I don't
want to hear it. We already have too much on our
plate. Like let's not get into that.
And I was like, well, this is perfect because I could do this
all day. And not in a way of like over
making everything perfect, but making everyone feel aligned
with who they are. Like I said, like I think
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specifically with interior design, how I knew that it was
something that I wanted to pursue was because I looked back
in my 20s, I'm 30 now and that'skind of a big milestone.
And each place that I moved intowas like a new journey or a new,
maybe not even an up level sometimes.
Like sometimes I ended up in a basement and I didn't want to be
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in that dark basement, but I hadto make it feel like me and I
would like use that basement as my like little cocoon before I
fluttered into my next big era. But if I didn't make it feel not
like a dungeon. And like really like there was a
certain basement that I moved into with my good friend at the
time who she was just recently divorced and she had a 5 year
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old and the basement was just not finished because she had
bought the the house with her then husband.
I was not for sure if I wanted to sign a lease in Omaha 'cause
I was kind of transitioning jobsthen at that point too.
But we both just kind of knew that it was divine timing for me
just move in there. And we completely transformed
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that basement and ended up becoming so cute as one of the
cutest places I've ever stayed in because I had like a whole
basement to myself. But we had to completely RIP out
the like gross blue carpet. And it's funny because we
thought we were going to have todo flooring, paint all of it,
but we just ripped out that carpet and the paint looked
normal, like the everything looked great.
Like you just you would be surprised by like 1.
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Change can change so much. And so I think specifically
going back to your point of a lot of people try to like, say
they like a certain style and half the time they like say that
style, but they don't even know what that includes, like what
era that, what that even became or what materials even follow
under that certain style. And so I try to be very, I don't
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want to like say like design forDummies, but I try to articulate
that in a way where they don't even know what style they're
talking about. And I try to like, I honestly
learned that in my past roles too, because like I said, my
first job was working in finance.
I didn't know anything about finance, like about trading,
about retail, institutional, blah, blah, blah, like the
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industries I was supporting. But it was my job to create
communications for the associates to speak to clients
in a way where like these clients have no idea what
they're talking about. So I was able to like understand
the importance of communicating in a way for everyone to
understand versus the people that are specialized in that
industry. You have moved around a lot like
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I have. And so I'm envisioning as you're
talking about the basement and these different places, I'm just
picturing all the places that I've also moved to and lived in.
And so often I feel like becausesomething is so temporary, I
don't really put as much effort in.
But even being in a place for a year is a long time to be in a
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space. I'm really curious as you have
moved, you went to school in Portland.
I know you lived in Arizona, you're back in Omaha, you've
been in all these spaces. How do you start to be like, OK,
let's just figure out what this space can do and is going to do
for my life in this time period and start to incorporate
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different aspects. And like you said, sometimes you
got to pull out the carpet. Sometimes maybe it's not as big
or it's a bigger project. But how do you personally like,
start to envision that space andsee an unfinished basement and
make it into a cozy cocoon? Yeah.
Well, I think, I mean, even in this place that I'm moving in.
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So here I am like afraid of commitment apparently lease as
well. But I moved into this place
because my friend was moving to Thailand, so I took over her
lease. And so it's a short term lease
and right away, so she had left some stuff because she moved to
Thailand. She left like some of the
furniture and I completely transformed the space by
literally just like rearranging furniture.
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Like I would say that's like step one.
And that was kind of like alwaysmy hint and how I wanted to be
an interior designer because anytime that I was stressed out or
I just like felt like I needed to like completely get rid of
all my things and buy a whole new, like a, buy a whole new
piece of art, a whole piece of new furniture.
Couldn't afford that at the time, which is funny.
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That's how I really got into like vintage sourcing too,
because I was like, I'm changingmy style so much.
That's just like who I am. I started actually like my very
first like job in high school was working in fashion and doing
fashion merchandising. And I knew that if I wanted to
continue a lifestyle where I wasevolving, my space was evolving
with who I was at that time, I needed to be creative.
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So I think one, the first thing I really like to do when I move
into a space is declutter what no longer serves me.
And that's hard for me because Ione, like I mentioned you
mentioned in my bio, like I struggle.
I have autoimmune like I have anautoimmune condition and I have
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type 1 diabetes which I know that's like not relative what
I'm saying, but I also have ADHDand so.
When I feel over stimulated by so much, I'm like freeze, freeze
mode. And that also like my mental
state also effects my hormonal state, which like type 1
diabetes is like a hormonal autoimmune condition.
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And I noticed when I was moving into these spaces and I felt
like so overwhelmed and everything felt so cluttered.
I like wasn't optimizing to the best of my ability.
So the step one would be decluttering.
I think for becoming, you know, if you want to become some have
a place that you become impulsedwith is to get rid of the things
that no longer really serve you,which is, you know, I even I was
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in Arizona this last week and I had a lot of my stuff still
there and a lot of my are a lot of furniture there, but I didn't
need it because I had furniture here And I really like had to
have like a a little like momentwith myself of like this served
its purpose. And I used a lot of that stuff
to actually help my friend design her new home there.
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And so it's, it's a lot of understanding that like there's
years of consuming and then there's years of purging and
then you get to that space. And I feel like at that point,
if you have a good sense of trust with yourself, you know
what actually is something you want and what is something
you're just holding on to because you feel like you
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should. Yeah, on becoming obsessed.
Talk a lot about shedding your sheds.
And so sometimes you're gonna shed those sheds that are
couches and furniture and whatever decor.
But I relate so much to the ADHDside of that and ADHD piles,
sometimes they just, you have these piles.
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And it really is something I've noticed and learned through
research that your visual space does affect your mental space.
And so it's to me, this very strong visualization and
association that when my ADHD piles start to get out of
control, that's a symptom of where my brain is.
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And by even taking a day to justdeep clean, I actually did that
this last weekend. I've been slowly moving into my
partner's space. And so I needed more drawer
space. So we got that organized, got
the ADHD piles and then it was like, OK, and now we're going to
deep clean the whole bedroom andget all the dust bunnies off the
fan and out from under the couch.
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And it was such, this moment of seeing the pile get bigger than
it usually is was such a signal that my internal being wasn't
where I wanted it to be. And one way that I fixed that or
helped my mental was by clearingout the space.
And So what you're saying, and that's why I love that you're on
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this podcast and that we get to talk about this, because I
really do think there's a strongconnection with your physical
space and your internal well-being.
I'm curious when you're working with clients and even in your
own experience, like how you're helping to use the space to
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create it in a way that it's going to lead their well-being
and lean into their lifestyle. Yeah, I mean, it's funny you say
that Like you see the piles in same 100%.
If I really want to have like anhonest look with my internal
well-being, I look inside of my closet.
That's where we're at right now.That's what my brain looks like
inside my head right now. Secret.
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Part of my brain where that's like decluttered obviously, like
we all have our space that we want to make look great for
everyone that comes around it. But the secret parts of our
space like our little closet areas when you know how how I
know how I'm feeling. But it's interesting because I
will say. Each.
Client is so different in terms of how they decide to open up
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with how they operate on a day-to-day level.
Specifically with the penthouse project.
Both of them are males, so there's not a lot of
conversation about feelings and how what potentially is
something that they could optimize in their life because
they just want to have it look nice and that's the way it is.
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So when it comes to something where I know that they're not
going to really open up deeply, I want to know about times in
their life where they felt a certain way and why they felt
that way. So he had opened up about he
went to, he lived in Portland, OR Seattle, somewhere in Oregon,
and he loved going for walks across the street because it was
so green at this park and the mountains saw the mountains in
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the background. And he was like, but I felt most
alive when I was in Miami. And so I just take those little
clues and I'm like, OK, well, I'm one, I'm designing an
office. So I don't want to make the
office feel like he's partying in Miami.
So we'll probably gravitate towards more of the materials
and colors of living in Oregon and Portland.
But he also has this like his bedroom and that's somewhere
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where you can also relax, but also somewhere where it's like
it's a very large bedroom. So it's like his bedroom area.
And then he has like a little relaxation area, a little mini
office over there. So that's where we can
incorporate more fun colors because that's really who you
are and that's for you. So just asking those questions
is really important. But when I think specifically
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for my clients lifestyle, let's say they do have the condition
and or they have something whereit's not easy for them to talk
about, but they know that it needs to be an important part of
their day-to-day in their space.It's just really giving them
that opportunity to be vulnerable.
And I think that's my strength is shedding the light on my
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conditions cuz in my early 20s it was something I wanted to
never bring up. I just felt at first it was
embarrassing even though it's like not embarrassing at all.
Most of us have some type of neuro diverting problem.
Not problem. I find it as a gift now.
But even with my my type 1 diabetes, I I can look back and
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I remember when I was diagnosed I lived in a smaller town in
Nebraska. So I remember being diagnosed in
this like just off awful cold room.
And I was like getting the worstnews in my life.
But I just was like, this is what I was 13.
But then I was in an ambulance and they took me to the
Children's Nebraska Children's Hospital and the floor and the
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room was decorated and a little bit more cozy.
And it just made me feel like I don't know what this next thing
in my life is going to be, but Ifeel like I can like breathe a
little bit more. And I remember in that moment,
that was such a defining moment.And it was such a small little
detail that stuck with me that always was kind of in my
subconscious when like some big things were going on in my life
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and I knew that I needed to makemy space feel OK, to make me
feel OK. And I just being vulnerable and
telling people my own story is probably my gift a little bit.
Some designers were never taughtthat approach.
It's not like I was taught that approach.
It's just how I kind of ended uphere.
It's important that at the end of the day, we all remember, we
all kind of feel the same emotions and feel the same
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feelings and we all have our unique, I like to say cross like
crosses that we that we bear to help us realize that our pain is
actually something that can create really amazing things in
our life. I think your home can be a
catalyst for that for sure. It makes me think of Michael
Pollan. I don't know if you're familiar
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with him. He's a journalist slash author,
and he has a book, How to ChangeYour Mind with Psychedelics.
And he really goes into the history of psychedelics and how
they were originally used in research.
And then of course, the, you know, sixties, 70s, they were
super villainized and really taken out of research.
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And a lot of it was kind of a race.
And one of the reasons that the government wasn't allowing or
funding research with certain psychedelics like psilocybin was
because the government was like,OK, we're going to try and
reproduce these studies. And when they would reproduce
these, like clinical trials and studies, they didn't get the
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same results. And the explanation, looking
back, the reason they didn't getthe same results and didn't get
positive results was because these original trials would have
these psilocybin sessions in a room that was like had religious
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images on the wall and plant images and was like in this like
cozy space. And then when the government did
the trials, it was like brick cylinder basements, nothing on
the walls like white coat. And the set and setting is
really the the terms they use for these studies too.
But because the setting was so abrasive, it impacted the mental
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experience, like the trip, the actual experience of the
patient. And So what you're saying isn't
just like, Oh yeah, that's nice experience.
It's like, no, science shows us that that that has a real
impact. And it's so funny because, yeah,
we can talk about it for our ownlives.
But I'm thinking of anyone who is like a service provider or
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professional. Maybe if there's a doctor
listening, put up a nice little,bring some fresh flowers into
the room, do something so that it's not as sterile because like
you said, that impacts so much of your experience, especially
when you're receiving life changing news.
Yeah, that is, I need what was that book called?
I need to like, I need to read that, I need to dig into that.
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It's called. Thing.
Yeah, it's How to Change Your Mind with Psychedelics by
Michael Pollan. Huge plug.
He's been my favorite author journalist since I was in
college. He started as a food journalist,
so he has some popular books called like The Omnivores
Dilemma, like a handful of books, and then he came out with
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this one and now he has a secondbook that is Your Mind on Plants
and it talks about caffeine and what caffeine does to your brain
and body and other drugs as well.
So yeah, I would definitely get it to listen.
That's something I I I see in myfuture.
I haven't done a project like that yet but I know in Omaha
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Academy clinics are becoming thenext thing to help with really
severe any mental. Yeah, like PTSD and.
Depression, anxiety, all of those things.
And I just think having an optimized space would just
completely enhance that experience for clients,
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especially regarding literally what you're talking about right
now. So and I and I, I've never done
that, but I would be life changing for a lot of people.
And maybe eventually down the road I'll try to.
I'm like, hey, your brain creates a reality, so let's make
it the best place ever to be. Yeah, two things there.
And I love We're about to go down a tangential rabbit hole,
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but I was in Phoenix a couple weeks ago and there was
literally a sign, just a normal,you know how you're driving and
it's like dentist. There is one that was like
ketamine clinic. And I was like, what?
OK, interesting. Just straight up sign, walk in,
book yourself an appointment. But there is a podcast that I
love called Radiolab. It's by NPR and they had an
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episode and now I won't be able to remember what it's called.
Oh Nope, it's not coming to me. But the episode talked about it
had this research doctor on and it was talking about how they
are using things like MDMA and psilocybin to open up critical
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periods, which in terms of our brain, a critical period is when
you learn how to use motor skills, when you learn social
skills, these points in our lifewhere your brain is open to
learning and then it basically shuts down and it's harder to
learn. So a great example of this is
motor skills and being able to use your hands and move.
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And when you have a stroke, it'sso hard to get that motion and
that the ability to move back because this critical period is
closed. And so they're now using this
research that shows like psilocybin can help open up
these critical periods and hoping to use that research to
be able to help stroke patients.They're they're not there yet to
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prove that it helps after a stroke, but that's the direction
they're going, which is really interesting to watch.
I love that and I think that themore I I understand people's
concerns with obviously some people here psychedelics and
they're like, I'm not wanting toget out of my mind, get out of
this world to like feel better. But I think it's really just
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tapping into our heart space, Speaking of our card, as when I
accept the love of the universe as my primary teacher, I'll
always be guided back to the light.
We obviously have our ego be such a huge part of what
protects us. I think that was like a huge
thing in my 20s, I realized was these like harsh inner voices or
inner critics about who I am or what I was doing or the certain
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role I thought I needed to play in order to be accepted, in
order to be loved was really just like blocking all of that.
And the minute that you kind of understand like, oh, this isn't
me, like I'm going to, I'm not like, it is me.
They're parts of me. And I like, I learned that a lot
in therapy. I've been in therapy for, I
mean, probably six or seven years now.
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And I learned about internal family systems.
And that's funny. I go to my therapist's office
and I'm like, oh, did you get a new, like, did you get a new
piece of furniture or did you get a new piece of art?
Do you guys need help with that?But I think that if people
understood like, I think I've never done ketamine and I but I,
from what I understand, it's really being able to feel those
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feelings without having your brain kind of take control of
how to narrate that. You know, that certain situation
of like, let's say you had a stroke or something really
traumatic happened to you and your childhood that, you know,
obviously made it harder for youto Start learning.
There's just so much good comingout from that.
And I'm like really excited to see that even become more of a
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topic in Omaha, NE because I think we're kind of like the
smaller city that gets kind of looked over.
People think like we're, you know, in the middle of nowhere.
So let's stick with our conservative values and do
things the way they've always been.
But I really have seen since moving back to Omaha, this kind
of becoming a new city where people are open to new ideas and
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innovative ways of making our lives better and us healthier.
That's something that I was kindof sad at first leaving Arizona
because I did move there and I saw how everyone looked so
healthy. Like even like, like my first
yoga class I went to like there were mostly people like in their
50s and 60s I remember. And I was like, you guys look
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how like, you look more in shapethan I do.
I think like, and I wasn't having that experience here in
Omaha. But then I came back and
obviously my mom has women with voices.
And one of the first talks that I went to when I moved back was
someone talking about her ketamine experience and how it
completely changed her life after her being on
antidepressants and doing all the things that we've been told
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to do for so long. And so that's another reason why
I'm like, OK, I feel I feel at ease and I feel excited for, you
know, the future of what's what's going to be showing, like
what's going to be shed the light, what's how the light is
going to be shed on these issueshere in Omaha, I guess.
Yeah. I think there's a lot of groups
too that are starting to, you know, utilize a safe space for
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people to talk about it more too.
There's so much in what you justsaid one if anyone is listening
instead of me going down a 20 minute rabbit hole about the
history of why psychedelics werevillainized.
The government like coding structure that allows for
opioids and not psychedelics hasway more to do with money and
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race and class than it does withthe danger of the drug and the
level of addiction you can experience.
So instead of me butchering all of that, go read Michael
Pollan's book. What?
I think there's something on Netflix too about it.
Yeah, Michael Pollan actually. His book was made into a Netflix
show or series or episode. He also has a series called
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Cooked that is on Netflix, and it speaks to the evolution of
how humans discovered you could cook food over fire.
You could bake food and have thegases in it.
And it's like this evolutionary discovery, which is really cool.
Yeah, that's awesome. But when it comes to Omaha,
something that I talk about so much is there is this
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perspective that like, Oh yeah, you know, something is great.
So we probably don't have it in Omaha or like, I've never heard
of that. So we probably don't have it in
Omaha without ever looking for it.
And almost anything that you wish is here is here.
You just have to actually look for it.
And people aren't great about, you know, making it easy to find
here. I will say that.
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But I'm curious, since you've really moved back to Omaha,
you're talking about your kind of new perspective on it.
I'm obsessed with Omaha. I love it.
So I would love to hear what your.
Kind. Of perspective or reintegration
into Omaha, How that's gone? Yeah.
That's such a good question because I think like I said last
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week, I was just in Arizona and so obviously there's some
bittersweet feelings that ariseswith it.
I'm glad I'm actually going to be in Omaha like for good right
now 120° there for three months.But I think specifically with
Omaha, I, you said a lot of people don't look for it.
And I think that's so true. And it's crazy because even if
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you go to cities like Phoenix oreven like beautiful surrounding
areas of like like Sedona, for example, you'll hear, you'll
hear people say why they don't like it.
Like I was just in Arizona and Iwas staying since I didn't,
don't live at the place I used to live.
It was a Gilbert. I was staying at a place in Mesa
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and I wasn't as familiar. So they're like the little, like
little smaller towns around Phoenix, Scottsdale area.
And I asked a girl that I was checking out of the store with
like a good hiking area. And she was like, I don't go.
I don't go for walks, I don't gohiking.
I don't go outside. I'm like what?
Like you? You're like, you're literally in
the best place for it. And it's like the perfect like,
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and I was just like dumbfounded a little bit and like not
judging, but just like how, how do we take something like I feel
like the one thing obviously Omaha isn't the top city of is
nature and mountains and really unique trails.
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I mean there I know there's trails and what not, but
obviously it's weather permitting and what not.
So I think that was just like something that was crazy to me.
And then I come back here and one thing I really love about
Omaha and like my new area is the Gene Leahy Mall park Center.
I was like, there's so many people out here and there's like
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parks like that all around Arizona and like I would go
there and there would be like hardly anyone out there and it's
just crazy. I think the main reason I moved
to Arizona for the, you know, the brief time that I was able
to was because of consistent weather before I got to be
crazy, 100° temps. And then that was like really
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the only big thing that stood out.
And obviously there's. It's bigger, it's a new
opportunity. I interior design.
It's interior design is big everywhere, but like Scottsdale
market is a whole nother level. That was a great part of my
journey because I feel like I can use a lot of what I
experienced there and learn there and bring it to Omaha,
which might not be, you know, that might not.
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I haven't seen that here. And so I'm excited to kind of
implement what I learned there in my own work, but specifically
in Omaha too, like there's so much growth and you also find
community to do it with. And I think a lot of people
assume if you're living in a bigcity that you automatically will
find that community. They a lot of from my own
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personal experience, obviously, I didn't live there for years
and years to build something huge, but no one really had like
a community. And I think specifically when I
look back in my like points in my life when I was, you know,
going through big transitions orI wasn't as happy was because I
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wasn't kind of making the effortto be a part of a certain
community. And it's really important to to
be around people who have your same values and your same
morals. And from my experience, when I
had been in bigger cities, it was very much about the scene
and very much about what you were doing and who you were
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doing it with, even if those people around you didn't make
you feel like your best self. And I know that's, you know,
that's everywhere, but I think here it was a lot easier to be
around genuine, open minded, light hearted individuals.
And it just felt, it just feels safe.
But it also feels like I can grow and I can expand,
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especially like so before I moved to Arizona, I lived alone
in Millwork Commons. I had an apartment there and
that was just starting to be developed.
And I was like kind of bummed. Like there was like some like,
Dang it, like of course I move here now.
All these things are being builtaround this apartment because my
apartment was one of the first apartments to be built but down
there. But I think what they're doing
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over there is just like so incredible and like the the vibe
and the aesthetic and the designof the entire place is so
intentional. And you feel like you're not in
a small town in Nebraska. Let's just say that.
And I think now I live in LittleBohemia and I love this area and
it's developing really fast and I'm so excited to see how that
grows. But there's so many areas where
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you can explore and have a certain vibe and not a lot of
people I think realize that. Omaha specifically, even from
when I first moved here, I, whenI graduated college, it was
2017. Like it was always like, OK,
well, if we want to have this vibe, we'll go to Benson.
If we want to have this vibe, we'll go to Blackstone.
If we want to have this vibe, we'll go to Exarban.
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And I was like, huh, that's likea really cool concept that we
can even talk about that. I know like obviously Omaha
doesn't have like a really big city life, more or less like big
club scene, which is like, I'm, I'm not, I'm 30 now.
I don't really need that. But I think for the most part,
like when it comes to how you want to like build and create a
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life for yourself, is you going out there and like showing up.
And a lot of people assume they moved to a bigger city and like
all of that's going to fall intoplace and maybe it will for them
too. And there's, and there's nothing
wrong with leaving and coming back.
I actually think there's some really great, I found great
purpose in that in my story. And I don't know if I'll be here
forever, but I know it'll alwaysbe like a piece of home for
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sure. Could talk about Omaha all day
long, and I do. Are you from you?
Grew up here your whole life. Yeah, Katie, thanks for asking.
I am from Omaha. I went to Central High School,
so the downtown high school, foranyone listening who doesn't
know what it looks like, look itup.
It's gorgeous. And they just put this huge
addition on, which is really cool.
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They basically built a new performing arts and library, and
they have now they have a sunrise club where they'll go to
the library, watch the sunrise over downtown Omaha.
And I'm like, wow, I wish I had that in high school.
But then I went to university inTulsa, OK, which is really,
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really strangely almost It's probably the most similar city
to Omaha you could find. This is so crazy you're saying
that. I'm sorry to interrupt.
My friend came here. Well, her, well, it's my best
friend and her boyfriend came here and that's when I lived in
Millwork Commons and he like waslooking and he's like, I feel
like I'm in Tulsa and I was like, what?
What's I never like? I don't know anything about
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Tulsa. So that's so interesting because
he like, I'm going to tell him this later that you said this.
That's crazy. No, it's seriously, you never
would have thought that before Iwent.
But both Tulsa and Omaha, they're about the same size.
Omaha now is with the metro. We broke a million people.
So we are officially a million, a million person city.
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Tulsa's a little bit smaller, but both are the blue dot in
their states, so a lot more liberally minded.
Both are really big on art, a huge art scene, a lot of support
for the arts. I know in Omaha we maybe don't
always think that, but compared to a lot of places that we
really do have good support and Tulsa's similar.
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And what's interesting is the difference to me almost is that
Tulsa is a little bit more progressive and their government
has almost been more supportive of small business and
entrepreneurship for a little bit longer than which has been
really interesting. Both have thriving
entrepreneurship communities, business incubators.
Both have universities within them that are a big part of the
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city, but not the city exists just for them like Lincoln NE
are still there. And then just the layout as well
is so similar. You have these kind of art
districts. You have like Exarbin, Benson,
Little Bohemia downtown and Tulsa is the same.
You have like Cherry Street, these different neighborhoods
that all feel very distinct fromeach other, but they're really
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accessible. And then you also have W Omaha,
literally South Tulsa, which is West Omaha and it feels like
completely separated to me. I'm like Omaha is downtown.
It's east of 90th. Everything W Omaha couldn't even
be Omaha. It's so removed from what I
think of as Omaha. And that's kind of how Tulsa is
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as well. It's just so similar and plug
for Tulsa. One last thing I'll say that is
the most sad and interesting part is in the early 1900s, it
was Black Wall Street in Tulsa. And so it was the most wealthy
thriving black community in the US by my understanding.
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And they always called it the Tulsa race riots and now Tulsa
race massacres because it was a massacre and they burned down
the the neighborhoods and Black Wall Street.
And so again, it's that kind of like core of like Omaha and
Tulsa, both have so much more diversity in parts of it and a
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lot of really successful minority communities that have
not always been supported or have really been suppressed in
different ways, which I think adds to the richness and the art
and and just so much of the culture.
And again, why I say it's like WOmaha, South Tulsa feel so
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separated from like the the inner city or like this proper
city. So anyway, I could talk about
this forever, but it is. Even when you mentioned the
history that I remember learningmore about the history of Omaha
and I forgot what it was called,there was a movie about it about
how Omaha put segregated lines of this you can live here and
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you can live here. And it's just so interesting.
About how our redlining, yeah, was really strong there like the
more. You know, and I'll say I lived
briefly in WO as at some points in my life, both temporary
points and there's like obviously some strengths to West
Omaha for sure. But definitely, I feel like if
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you are in your 20s or 30s, it'sprobably more beneficial for you
to kind of explore this side of town.
This is where I I love this so much.
And like I said, I can talk about Omaha for days, but when
you mention that Omaha doesn't have the club culture, the
nightlife scene, I think Tulsa is similar in this way as well.
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Where if you're in New York, Chicago, you have so many like
childless, single or even married couples that are into
their 30s, forties, 50s, whatever.
And in Omaha, because Nebraska as a whole is so like nuclear
family focused, you just have a lot less people who don't need
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child care to go out. And I don't think we have enough
people going out to support a like weekly ongoing nightlife.
Yeah. That's my hot take.
I almost happened to nightclub in 2019 with some friends and
then COVID happened so thank Godwe didn't but no.
Well, hey, maybe 20/20/25 is like the year of like shit
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blowing up. Sorry, I just sorry about that.
But I'm like, is it going to be a year maybe to do that
honestly? Yeah, I'm out of that game.
I'm good on it, but I'll throw some events I'm here for.
I'm here for the events. And I think that's where, yes, I
think that's where Omaha thrivesis You get a lot of people going
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out on certain days or showing up for one off or events that
happened recurringly. But it's really hard for a bar
to keep their scene going throughout the year, week after
week. Well, a lot of kind of time back
into are psychedelic conversation.
I think a lot of people are starting to turn to sober
socials. And.
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Or more ways of connecting that don't involve you completely,
completely getting out of your mind, which is great.
And I think that's great that some people are starting to feel
like they can actually still be themselves and have just as much
fun without having to completelyhate themselves the next day
from feeling hungover. Katie, OK, this is actually
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hilarious. I just, you were like, yeah,
it's your time to open a nightclub.
And then I'm like, no. And then you're saying that
literally yesterday I was driving by a bar that has a
patio. It's super nice out.
I was like, I want to go sit at the bar's patio and not drink.
And I was talking about opening a non alcoholic.
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I don't know if you've ever had cane euphorics, the drink.
Yeah. Like, what if it was all like
cane euphorics and neurotropics and these drinks that make you
feel happy, but they are non alcoholic.
I would love to go there. And Nick was like, you might be
the only one there. And I was like, OK, well, I
think I could find enough peopleto come.
Well, I think you could definitely, definitely make that
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work. Yeah, like a sober club, Like a
sober lounge, Yeah. There was a sober lounge in
downtown briefly. I know because I'm an event
there. I forgot what it was called.
It was off Leavenworth, yeah. But I don't know if the
location, like downtown's great,but it wasn't like by any other
bars. So I think maybe putting it in a
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place where there's other bars and then you kind of like walk
past, you're like, oh, maybe I want to use this first going
here. And granted, like there's
nothing wrong with going to the bar still not having a good
cocktail. Like I still will always love a
good foodie drink experience, but I just think it's really
cool that this is actually something people are excited
about versus like what you're doing.
Like, I just did a steel house tour yesterday actually, and.
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With the young professionals. Yeah, yeah.
And I didn't know that we that that we that they have NA
tequila, gin, whiskey. I didn't even know there was NA
options for that. But they have like craft
cocktails specifically for NA. And I was like, oh, that's
pretty cool for a concert venue.Usually it's just like you have.
Like a soda. Yeah, your Wells well drinks and
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then some beer and wine, but. Well, that's my biggest thought
on it is when I don't drink whenI'm out at a bar and I'm not
drinking alcohol, it's all stilllike so often it's like so
sugary or it's all these things I that are like, I'd rather put
tequila in my body than whateverthat thing is.
(53:06):
And so it's this middle ground of like, how can we incorporate
things that like make you feel good but aren't just trigger
dairy, you know, mocktails. Trust me I'm type 1 diabetic.
I know exactly what you mean. I like have not experienced the
array of yummy drinks out. I mean, I could have them, but
sometimes I'm just like, is it worth it?
(53:28):
Yeah, well, let's get into our last round of questions.
And since we're talking about fun drinks, what drinks are you
obsessed with lately? Alcohol, non alcohol, cocktail,
whatever. But what is your go to,
especially as the weather is turning nice?
Currently in my fridge that I'veliterally gone through a pack
since I've got it from Costco. I have like 4 left is I think
(53:51):
they're called Ollie Pop. Oh yes.
The probiotic sodas, I didn't I,I love carbonation.
I, I will say I'm not like a bigpot person, but I do love a good
diet. Doctor Pepper.
And then I realized I was havinglike one a day and I was like, I
don't want to be that person. So I switched over to this and I
love it. I love flavored.
(54:11):
I'd like I, I try to drink a lotof water.
I know we are told that that's important, but when it's
flavored, I do drink it more. I'm like, I think that's another
ADHD thing where we're stimulated by census.
Sometimes I need it, sometimes Ineed like I have my water bottle
here. I try to take drink like 60 to
90 oz a day, but I love a can. I love something.
(54:35):
At the end of the day. It's like you want to grab wine,
but I don't need the alcohol. I just want a fun little drink.
Doing that too, I was noticing and I love red wine.
Like that's my weakness. Probably a little bit, but I was
like, it's easy to drink one glass and then you have three.
And then that wasn't my intention with grabbing.
Yeah, wine. There's people I follow on
TikTok that do like nighttime cocktails type thing and they do
(54:59):
like beet juice with a little. And I'm like, oh, I want to get
into that. Now that I have like my place
finally settled in, I want to start experience.
I haven't done that yet, but I want to start experiencing more
with that nice nighttime cocktail to get you all warm and
sleepy before bed and have it taste great too when I'm doing
my nightly journal. Yes, I love it.
Let's talk about food in Omaha and in Phoenix or Arizona.
(55:22):
What food? What places are you obsessed
with? I love food so much.
Specifically I think downtown Omaha has so many good options.
I just ate at M's pub Sunday andhad seared tuna salad and it was
a seared steak Sissy tuna with salad and I was like this is
(55:42):
like the best tuna I've ever hadlike this This is wild but I
love Cleo downtown now that is. Just top of my list.
My tummy but also fills my interior design heart.
So it's just you. You would love it.
I know that is Cleo is top of mylist.
Anytime somebody's like let's gosomewhere, I'm like Cleo.
(56:03):
Yeah. I love it.
Give me potatoes and a cocktail and I am happy for the rest of
my life. Yeah, and the serving, I mean, I
didn't, we did all little happy hours, so I haven't had like a
full spread there yet. But just exactly to my point of
why design is so important is when the design and the
aesthetic and the mood and the food all collab together, you
(56:23):
are just in for a treat. And that was one of my first
places I came and went to and I moved back to Omaha and I was,
my heart is happy. Like there's options like this
here, but also like going back. I've heard like a lot of my
friends, there was a phase wherethey all moved to Denver.
Like they all got up and moved to Denver and it was satisfying
for for me to hear that they like missed the food in Omaha.
(56:47):
And it's hard because sometimes I even I'm like, if someone
wants to go to dinner, I'm like,but where do we want to go?
You think of that, but then you're like, OK, wait.
Now being back down here too, I think completely changes it as
well because it's like all my favorite restaurants are down in
this area in Phoenix. OK.
I will say they're especially inScottsdale.
Their restaurants are incredible.
(57:08):
And a lot of the reason of that too is because of the lifestyle
and the design and the experience that they upheld.
I what was the last place I had that was so good?
I also lived in, I lived in Gilbert.
So there's a downtown Gilbert. So it's kind of like a smaller
little area where you could go out and you don't feel like you
like have to dress to the nines or like you're out on the town
(57:30):
for the whole night. But there is, it's
unfortunately, it's kind of likea chain.
But I still love it as Postino'sand they have the best.
And it's like all of the charcuterie boards.
I love the concept of like the different type of like breads
you can get and then it's just wine or beer that you choose
from and it's simple but just sogood.
(57:52):
And just, I've never been let down by that.
So and it's just like definitelymy type of vibe.
It's like things that I normallyI try to go places that I
normally don't buy or cook for myself.
Like I don't really cook Mediterranean food like Leo's
Mediterranean, even though I probably like that's something I
should dabble into because it's so good for you.
And I'm not thinking of like unique bruschetta boards or
(58:14):
creating this like amazing saladthat I I would have no, like I
just wouldn't know what ingredients to buy to make that
certain dressing and whatnot. But I think any place that has
great food but also a great aesthetic obviously aligns with
what makes me happy and what I become obsessed with.
I also love gather downtown. Love the food there.
(58:36):
I love, Oh my gosh, what's it called?
It's a little wine, La Bouvette.Yes, especially now that it's
summer, there's nothing like sitting out on the little patio
with like, a glass of wine, a cheese board.
OK, I was going to ask phone. It's so.
Cute and the food I got the. Best burger ever there.
So good. Yeah, they never miss.
(58:57):
Sometimes I. Will say I don't love the
calling through a phone thing because sometimes I push the
button and I'm like hello, who is anyone there going to take my
order? But I their food has never
missed for me, their desserts, their cocktails.
I just feel like you step in andyou're like in a whole nother.
Like 50s Niner Universe. I love it.
(59:19):
It just feels like to be a win, like have a whole different
perception of like where you areis like, count me in.
Yeah, in Phoenix, in the Melrose.
District. Have you ever been to Valentine?
I have it, girl. OK.
It is my favorite. Restaurant My partner and I's
favorite restaurant not only in Phoenix but maybe in the US Like
(59:41):
every time we're there we every time we go to Phoenix, we
basically go to the Valentine OK, I need to note that because
I know I'm very. Excited to be back in Omaha, but
I do see myself going back up toArizona quite a bit a little bit
too. And part of that too is with my
job, the whole another reason why.
I chose interior design was because of how you can be so
(01:00:03):
flexible and you can take on projects really anywhere in the
world. Obviously you need to go on site
like a few times to visit the space and check on updates and
whatnot if they're doing a remodel.
But I do love like Southwest a good like I I love Spanish style
homes. I love like warm textured
colors. So like, I want to do
(01:00:25):
hospitality projects and I thinka lot of those will probably be
in that area in the future. Or maybe I just create, recreate
that here in Omaha somewhere. And Speaking of that, Katie, how
can people connect with you? Work with you?
Yeah. So my my website is WWW.
Dot Katie noelstudio.com so you can go on my website, fill out a
(01:00:45):
contact form if you're curious of wanting ideas.
I do consultations. I don't just do full scale
design. I can even do E virtual
packages. So if you already want to use
the furniture that you already have in your space and just need
to rearrange in a different way that you're not really for sure
how or like utilizing, you know,a different piece of furniture
in a different room. That's a great option.
(01:01:07):
And then Katie Noel studio is myInstagram and Facebook as well.
And I just, I launched that in October, November.
And it's crazy 'cause I love social media so much.
I kind of use it just as my own journal, which I know a lot of
people are like, it's kind of weird, but it's bad.
That's how we should be using itas a marketer.
I'm like this is the one and only way to use it.
(01:01:28):
Yeah, and I know I need to get better at posting more.
I know, we hear it all the time.No, you don't.
Thank you. I'll ask as your official.
Marketer. Friend.
And say no, you don't, we can chat about that later.
OK, Perfect. Thank you.
Love it Katie. Thank you So.
Much I started becoming obsessedin the beginning because it's
(01:01:49):
such a good excuse for me to hang out with my friends and
have these conversations. And I always wanted to just
record the normal natural conversations I would have with
people. And so this has made me so happy
that we've not only really talked about how to have your
space help your Wellness, but also all the other things.
(01:02:10):
And just crushing on Omaha and Phoenix.
I love to. Yeah.
So thank you so much for having me.
This was fun. If you're still with us, if
you're listening. Connect with us, let us know.
Send me a voice note on Instagram at Becoming Obsessed
Pod and let me know the Flavourites in your city.
Let me know if you're visiting Omaha or Phoenix and we'll send
(01:02:32):
you our favorites. And if this could help somebody
in your network, post it on yourstory, send them a text.
We love when you help get the word out about becoming obsessed
because it helps us help more people build a life that they
truly love. All right y'all, now let's go
get obsessed.
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