September 12, 2025 • 47 mins
Today on Becoming Obsessed, we explore how to find purpose and satisfaction in your career with Angela McKay. Angela is a career intuitive vocation coach who helps purpose-driven professionals create soul-led careers and meaningful change. In this episode, Angela shares her journey from over 25 years in HR to building her own coaching business, and offers practical advice for anyone feeling stuck or ready for a new chapter.
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It is no secret that I want you to live a life you love, a life
that you're obsessed with. And honestly, that starts with
loving the life you're currentlyliving.
Because what if the problem wasn't the relationship or the
job? What if the problem was you?
Yeah, we're going to go there, so stay with me.
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I'm not blaming you, But we're going to get into how we can
actually look at our career and see if we're unhappy because of
the way we're thinking about it,the way we're showing up, or if
we're unhappy because we're on the wrong path and we need to
make a change. Today I am joined by Angela
McKay, a career intuitive vocation coach who is ICF
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certified, a certified Mind Rebel coach, and a certified
Bitty Tarot advisor. Angela has more than two decades
of experience as an HR professional and now she helps
purpose driven professionals find and create satisfaction in
their careers through her signature method, Soul LED
career. Angela, welcome to becoming
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obsessed. Thank you so much.
I'm so happy to join you here. I am so excited to talk to you
because this is something that Ijust feel has shaped my life so
much. I grew up hearing people
complain about their jobs for decades at a time and never
really taking ownership of making that change or getting in
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a different job or looking at itdifferently.
And you know, I understand jobs are hard, running a business is
hard, a career is hard. But at the same time, I learned
that I didn't want to spend my time complaining and I wanted to
find out how I can take control and take ownership.
You know the thing we spend the most hours doing our work.
And that's why I'm an entrepreneur.
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That's why I started this podcast.
And so you are like my perfect guest to dig into this more and
have the actual like professional and experience of
helping people do this. But I really want to start with
your own change from being in HR, being in professional roles
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and I assume corporate over to having your own business and
kind of what that transition wasand what the Catalyst event was
for you to be like, OK, let's take control and do something
new here. OK, buckle up.
I was with an organization for over 25 years, so I really grew
up in that organization. I was still in college when I
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was there. I was there after I graduated
college, having my family and everything.
There was just always something there for me to do.
I was really great at pointing at what it is that I wanted to
do and just making it mine, which that sounds so simple, but
there's a lot of power in pointing at something that you
want making yours. And I took for granted that that
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was an ability of mine that not everybody shares.
So that's part of what I incorporate into what I do now.
But I found myself on the HR track of the organization.
I love people communications, advocating for people, creating
programs that look at the different life stages and the
different experiences that people have.
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As I was going along that HR leadership journey, there was
just something that started to feel a little bit more
disconnected for me. And by that time, once you've
sunk that much time into your career and you've built your
life around, that's a dreadful feeling to get because you don't
know what to do next. Your skill set seems very
specific. You certainly don't want to
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start over because you like yourhouse, you like the clothes that
you're putting on. You don't want to have to scrap
all of that. So there was a very pivotal
moment when I was in my HR leadership track that it's
actually my freebie now called the Career Compass.
I never knew it was going to be my freebie later in life.
It's just what I needed in that moment.
And I started a list beside me. Everything that I did throughout
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the day, big or small, I wrote it on that list on basically a
like or dislike category. And then I think it was about a
week that I did that. And at the end of the week, I
just went through the likes to see if there was a theme there.
And every like had to do with A1on one interaction where it
helps people to navigate where it is that they wanted to go or
what it is that they needed to do or what their next step would
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be. Most of those situations I had
no business knowing like the specifics of it, the expertise
portion of it, but I was able tohelp them to talk through that
space. What that allowed me to do was
start like tapping into this thing we call purpose.
People find that they want to find this purpose outside of
them, but it's really an internal thing.
It's based on the most natural strengths that you're here with,
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that you're born with, the lightthat you have to shine that
creates this impact. It's so natural to you that it's
hard for you to see that you're using it, and then it's having
an impact on people. So that was my first glimpse
into what that purpose was and Ijust knew that if I started
doing more, I would like my workbetter.
Even if it wasn't all of my work, I would like my work
better if I did more of that wasvery intentional on my part to
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do that. I didn't know that was coaching
at the time. Like I didn't label that as
coaching, but that became a theme ongoing.
So there was a point in time where a colleague reached out to
me and said there's this coach she's offering pre session,
would you like 1? And it was an immediate yes.
And it was a yes for two reasons.
One, I wanted the session and two, I instantly knew like I
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want to be a coach, I want to dowhat she's doing.
So I met with her and I was going to talk to her about the
future of my HR career. And it wasn't long before I was
talking to her about how I fulfill this I want to be a
coach thing. And I did that while I was
working my full time job. I got my coaching education
while I was working my full timejob.
I implemented a coaching programinto the company I was working
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for. So there's a lot of work that I
did before I made that so-calledbig leap that people say from my
full time job and into entrepreneurship.
It's not the big leap that people think it is or it doesn't
have to be. And I think that's what I like
to drive home is it doesn't haveto be the scary thing where you
turn your life upside down. There's so much that you can do
in between to be preparing yourself for what it is that you
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want. It makes me think of my friend
Megan Hale. She just did an Instagram Live
with me and the Creative Law Shop, one of my companies, and
we were talking to somebody in the comments who was like, hey,
I'm just getting started. And she was like, you know what?
1 great thing you can do to takefinancial pressure off of your
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business. Have a part time job, have
something else that you enjoy that you can do part time that
ends when you kind of leave the building.
And like you're saying, you don't have to make a change like
2 feet in jumping off a Cliff hoping that the net appears.
You can climb down, you can climb up, you can take a piece
at a time. And I think so often doing what
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you did, where it's like, let's actually just where do I start?
Make a list. What do I like doing in my
current role, in my current job,business career?
How do I just do more of that and help maybe do less of the
things that you tried? Absolutely.
There's also what that process does.
So I say that I help people to revive the careers that they've
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built. And some people might interpret
that as stay stuck where you are, like we're just going to
make good of this thing. Absolutely not.
That's why I emphasize that there's a world of possibility
between settling and quitting, and that's what we're going to
play with. Because when you are where you
are and you want something else,that want for the something else
becomes really strong and it makes you really dislike where
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you are because it's not that thing that you want.
However, when you move into yournext opportunity with that
energy of desperation or haste, you're likely not going to make
the best decision for you because the energetic intention
of that move is not aligned withan energetic intention that
actually feels good. You're running away from where
you are, from where you are. You can start doing the work of
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not only doing more of what you like.
So that was that first exercise,but then starting to identify
what is it that I might want to know more of or learn about or
get experience with so that you can treat where you are like
this vast playground. A possibility basically to start
testing things that you do or don't like.
To Start learning, to start engaging so that you're more
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like calling that next thing into you rather than running
towards it. That's a completely different
energetic signature. Well, and I love that too
because it goes into this kind of philosophy that I believe we
share of if you aren't taking care of what's inside 1st and
the way that you're kind of perceiving the world around you
and taking ownership of what's in front of you, I really
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believe that any change you make, you're just going to
transfer your unhappiness with you.
I come from a digital nomad background, and we'd all, you
know, go travel the world. And a lot of people, we'll do
it. And they're like, OK, if I leave
this country, I leave all my problems and unhappiness behind.
They're still inside you. So they kind of come with you.
And I just love what you're saying is we're not going to
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stay stuck, but we can still take a breath, take a pause, re
evaluate and treat it like a playground so that we can make
that next step or that next leapalmost out of a place of, yeah,
this is right, instead of, well,I got to be anywhere but where I
am right now. Yeah, you take yourself with you
wherever you go. So that's a majority of work
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that we're doing is just that deep transformational work
because as much as people don't want to hear it, largely what
holds them back from what they want and where they want to go
with themselves. Sure, there are external factors
that might work to kind of hold you down, but still in every
situation that you are in, you have a choice that you can make.
So there's always this personal power and personal sovereignty
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that you have to be making a decision in any situation that
you're in. It's the easy road to say I
can't because and then point to anything that's outside of you.
That's the excuse that holds youback, because sometimes it's
easier to complain than to do the thing that you really want
to do. But the discomfort of staying
where you are will just compoundif you don't start taking the
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steps towards what it is that you actually want.
It's so easy for us to sit here and say this stuff, but I know
how hard it can be. I'm sure you know, from your own
experience, too, of making change is hard and scary.
And when I was, like, a teenager, I decided I was going
to be different than everybody else.
And I was like, I am going to love uncertainty.
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And I am so good at change. And I just would tell myself
this over and over. And then I think in the last
four or five years, I've been like, OK, that actually wasn't
true. And I can have more grace with
myself and not, you know, you kind of deconstructed as well.
I want us to get a little bit more granular or tangible.
And, yeah, it's hard. And like, it is easier to just
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complain than it is to take ownership over it, especially if
you haven't built that skill setor seeing other people do that.
Because a lot of times we just see the complacency and we don't
understand the ownership. It's kind of what this podcast
is, is to like secretly just implant in everybody's brain.
They can have ownership over it.But when you're working with
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your clients, what are some of the first steps or exercises or
conversations you're having to help kind of like retrain this
brain pathway or this idea of, OK, maybe you can take ownership
or you can look at this differently.
How do those conversations go? So in that first phase of work,
there's three things that come to mind that we're working on
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pre will right away. One, it's an exercise.
It's been around forever. A lot of people use it, but it's
the wheel of life. So within the wheel of life,
there's just the different slices in this circle of those
areas of your life that it's representing.
So your relationship, your finances, your job, your
passions, your parenting, just all those main areas.
And we do that just to take an overall inventory because there
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are times where you are focused on one part of your life being
quote UN quote bad. But when we take that overall
inventory, sometimes it's highlighted for us that it's not
just that one area where there'sanother area where if we put our
focus there, increasing and satisfaction within that takes
your sight off of that thing youthought was miserable.
What comes to mind is I had an entrepreneur who thought that
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she was going to have to quit the business that she was
running. The business was successful.
Her heart wasn't in it anymore. Her passion for it seemed to
have gone completely out. Wasn't long that we were working
together that we discovered thatthe health and nutrition factor
of her life was actually where it was.
So she cleaned up the health andnutrition.
She felt outstanding. The work wasn't a problem
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anymore. So the light had gone out.
But it wasn't in the area of herlife that she thought that it
was that regained. So we start with that wheel of
life just to take inventory. Boundaries, boundaries,
boundaries, boundaries, energetic boundaries.
The majority of people that I work with have some element to
them of fixing, healing, helping, saving others.
Perfectionism is a lot of times what that looks like.
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Wanting things to go well, not wanting people to feel badly,
not wanting to be perceived badly.
There is a lot that falls into the bucket of fixing, helping,
healing, saving. And when we're doing that, we're
completely we lacking boundariesfor ourselves and we're
disrespecting the boundaries of anybody else.
We're also taking from them the growth experience that they are
meant to have. So I talk a lot about the human
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experience. We are all here on our separate
pathways. We don't know what's in store
for ourselves and we certainly don't know what's in store for
others. So to try to stand in the way of
their growth is to prevent them from following the pathway that
they are here to explore and to evolve in.
So fixing, healing, helping, saving, we're need to take
responsibility for our own energy, how we feel, what we
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want, speaking for that huge lesson.
And it's like the one that we come back to time and time and
time again. Because whenever you start to
feel rocky, it's usually a boundary that needs to be
addressed. And then one of the biggest
transformations is I work with people on their mind, body, soul
alignment. So when you were that mind is
open to the wisdom of your soul or your higher self or your
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intuition, whatever folks are comfortable expressing that as.
When your mind is open to that wisdom, then it can logically
think through what you need to do in alignment with what it is
this meant for you. Your body can be on board
creating tangibly those things that your mind produces like
it's this just completely open, funnel and flow.
However, there are three lenses through which I see that you see
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the world through and 1 is fear,lack and scarcity.
The other is defensiveness, eco judgement and control.
And the last is wisdom, clarity and love.
Those first two lenses are the ones that most people are
walking around, seeing the worldthrough and making their
decisions from. So when you're thinking about
what you want to do in your career, you're in fear, lack,
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scarcity, defensiveness, ego, judgement, and control.
Wisdom, clarity, and love is theharder one to source, especially
if you're not familiar with whatit sounds like.
So we work to personify actuallythose three lenses so that you
can see them as something outside of you to be able to
kind of communicate with and to work with that wisdom, clarity
and love when you were inside ofthat persona.
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That is when that mind, body, soul channel is clear.
When you're those first two, something is blocking the flow
of what's happening there. Like that's really the deeper
internal transformational work that we are doing.
And what it helps people to do is start to become empowered to
make the decisions that are bestfor them.
There are a lot of reasons that we don't make the decisions that
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are best for us. And in fact, sometimes we trick
ourselves into saying me making the best decision for them is
actually the best decision for me.
If it's not best for you, it's not best for you.
Yeah. It is something I talk about a
lot on this podcast too, is those nudges and the what ifs
and those moments where it's like, OK, do I chase that?
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And I'm like, if you got a what if?
If something's calling to you, go find out.
But at the same time, I love howyou're framing it as how do we,
before we make the decision, getto a place where we feel
confident in where that voice iscoming from?
Is it coming from that fear, that scarcity, that need of
control? Or is it coming from like, OK,
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I'm feeling love, abundance, kind of clear headed.
I've been working through some of the stuff and seeing where
the voice or the nudge comes from and being able to then
decide, like you're saying, OK, where are we making this
decision out of? If somebody is really, I don't
want to say unfamiliar with, butmaybe unfamiliar with or feeling
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like they just can't get to that, like love, abundance, that
kind of third silo that you weretalking about, how do you even
start to move into that headspace and full body
alignment? Oh gosh, there's so much that's
based in honesty, and honesty can be really difficult to
source with ourselves. But when we start talking about
mind, body, soul alignment and just intuition in itself, we
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like to make intuition more complicated than it is.
We like to think that it's this voice that we hear and it comes
in really clearly and all of a sudden we have this, aha.
And I think again, in our human experience, it's just one of the
things that we desperately want is for it to be so clear.
But like, life isn't clear. Even your clearest vision, as
you start walking towards it becomes different.
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It morphs as you go along your path.
On the side of intuition, I generally advise people to start
becoming just in tune with theirbody.
What is being communicated to them through their body, right
down to what aches and pains do you have?
What is your reaction when you hear something like how did your
body receive that? How is that sitting with you?
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The decisions that are best for you come with this energetic
signature of, and this comes from my coaching school and
their framework. But if it scares your mind and
stirs your soul, it's the right step.
So if you've got scares your mind and scares your soul, like
we're probably looking and not the right thing, but if it
scares your mind and stores yoursoul, then you know you've
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sourced that uncomfortable thingto do as a human that is right
for the soul of the human. So when it comes to that
honesty, like I said, when you're working through kind of
sitting in a moment and asking, like if I were 100% honest with
myself right now, what is it that I need?
What it is it that I would want?What support would I ask for?
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Just like 100% honest, just sit with yourself and knows, allow
yourself to be totally honest about that, which is hard
because we filter ourselves evenwhen we're alone and no one can
hear our thoughts. And then just really tune into
what your body is communicating to you about that.
This body that we have and all of its senses is what intakes
everything around us. When it intakes that
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information, it sends it to yourmind and your mind then
determines what it is that you feel from that.
So that's the cycle that we're looking to break up a little
bit. Is that automatic?
That's happening because it's based on everything in your life
that has happened up into that point, and we're looking to
create something new. It reminds me of a trick that my
mom always taught me when I had to make a decision that is
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basically it doesn't matter which one you choose, choose one
and sleep on it. The next day I'll either be
like, Yep, OK, great, that's theright decision, or I'll find
myself trying to redecide again and it doesn't feel like I've
actually decided because it isn't the right decision.
And this is something I've seen actually, there's some really
popular podcasters I used to listen to.
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One of them would tell the storyabout how it took four months
for him to decide what medical school to go to.
And I'm like, no, it didn't. You just didn't allow yourself
to make the decision for four months because you didn't want
the answer. But when we're coming back to
the same question, even though we've made a decision, but that
decision isn't sticking, isn't sitting in our body, that's one
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of the signals to me, the catalyst for this podcast was a
huge breakup I went through about 3 years ago.
Where I was doing this for yearsof making a decision and then
always coming back to it of OK, I'll stay and coming back to it.
And it just never was sitting right.
And eventually the relationship ended and it was like, OK, you
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know, I could have listened to myself a bit sooner, whatever
that journey was that I needed. But it's this full body like
you're saying, full body alignment of OK, is it just your
brain that's kind of scared and hesitant and being too logical,
but it feels good in your soul or it feels right in your body.
OK, just make a decision and then wake up in the morning and
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see how you feel. Has really helped me through
some of those. I love that advice from your
mom. I think it's fantastic,
especially the waking up in the morning and then Yep.
And then that's the direction you're going.
There is still that hesitation. Like two things come up for me
when you say that is like the then what?
You just take like a tiny actionstep.
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So once you've made the decision, you just take a tiny
action step again, I think we like to relate that making the
decision to like this big thing and now everything has to change
or, or whatever it is, you just you take one small step.
So even if that thing that you decided is I want to do a 180
pivot on my career, Wow, that's scary.
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It feels true, but that's scary and I can't do that.
OK, well then just Google something today, like just look
up something about that thing that you were thinking and see
what's out there. How might you walk down that
path? What are the skills that
crossover between those two thatmaybe you already have going for
you that could be translated into something completely
different? Who's somebody that's doing
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that, that you could just sit and have coffee with and talk to
him about how they got there, what they like about it, what
they don't like. There's a lot that you can do
that doesn't disrupt your life, that allows you to start really
entertaining that thing that youare being pulled towards.
The other thing that came up is in relation when we talk about
how we really don't know the long term vision.
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We set one, we walk towards it, but we can really only plot the
like next 1-2 or three steps in front of us.
We start walking that direction.We learn about ourselves, we
learn more about that vision, wepivot as we go.
But the difference is, is that you're walking towards something
that you want while also knowingthat you cannot have what you
want in a vice grip because that's just not how this works
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with your mom's advice. There's one that I use all the
time that sounds so trivial, butif I'm trying to decide
anything, and this is from what earrings I put on or what I need
to do, I say, OK, so this decision, if the time is even, I
pick this one. If the time is odd, I pick this
one. And then I look at my watch.
It's odd that it's this, those smaller things, great, like that
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just keeps me moving. I'm no longer like thinking
about that thing that really doesn't matter.
I've picked it. I've gone about my business.
When you do that process, you'llnotice how you react to it.
If you have that all feeling after you look, it's like, OK,
you didn't want the ones that were on even you wanted the ones
that weren't odd. So pick the ones that aren't odd
and move about your business. It gives us something to react
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to. The way that this all works is
like action is what allows us the clarity to figure out what
we want. So those little action steps and
having something that we react to allows us more clarity on
what it is that we really do or don't want.
So just paying attention to the oh or kind of feelings that we
get. Again, it comes down to this
body thing that's happening. But yeah, I just, I look at my
watch, Otter even, and then moveupon my day.
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I love that. Well, and it's like when you put
those two things together of what do I want?
What is like the next thing I'm moving towards, you know, you
can even say, OK, in six months I want to have this progress
towards it or in a year and you figure it out, like you said,
OK, this next step, what's my reaction?
And let the path appear opposed to trying to see the whole path
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before you take a first step. It's a very common way of
looking at this or people talk about it like this a lot.
And I love it because to me it makes so much sense of just take
the next straight step. Just head in that direction and
maybe the thing you think you want is actually going to get
you to this other thing that is a fit.
And you don't have to know that right now.
We just have to move in that direction.
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What you said is actually biggerthan you just presented because
again, like here I am and here Iwant to be.
There's a lot in between where you are and where you want to
be. If we think of it in the way of
this vision that you have over here, whatever that is that you
want, there is a version of you that already exists in that
vision. She has already done all of the
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growth, all of the evolving thatneeded to happen for her to be
there. That's not where you are.
You haven't experienced any of those things.
And it's not just a matter of jumping from here to there.
There are a lot of things along that path that to you might not
make sense to getting there, butthey're not going to make sense
to you. Again, that's not how this
works, but it's the thing that you need to confront in order to
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get to that place. When we have a challenge in
front of us, an obstacle, a thing we didn't want, we like to
see that as something that is inour way and or signaling that
we're going the wrong way. Those don't have to be true.
You have to make peace with those so-called obstacles.
They're not in your way. They are the thing that you need
to do to get to that place that you want to go.
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So in every single day when we have challenge, and we will have
challenge every single day, if we stop calling it that thing
that's in my way and start calling it OK, this is the thing
that I'm doing today. You completely change your
perspective on it. You take that big heavy power
out of it that you gave it, and instead it's just the thing that
you're doing today. If we take that dramatic
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emphasis out of it, it becomes alot more palatable as we go
along towards that vision. Well, and I think of really
tangible examples of this is like if you do want a promotion
or you want to kind of horizontally transfer into a new
role and it's like, OK, maybe it's a new skill set you need.
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And so it's everyday I'm just becoming more like that person.
And it's this act of becoming and kind of just the human
experience of doing and of beinga little bit more each day I'm
gonna be in a class and learn this job a little bit more, this
new skill set I want. Or with this podcast, I'm like,
OK, before I knew what I wanted this podcast to be, I just knew
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I wanted one. And I knew I would never have
the answer for what it was untilI was recording episodes, until
I was posting them and having more conversations.
And so I still don't know what the end point of this is, but
it's not about that as much as the doing the being, and just
the kind of like weekly muscle of recording and editing and
posting and seeing what parts ofthe conversation really resonate
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with people. Yeah, I know that, like people
hate hearing that. It's not the destination, it's
the journey, but it's true. I said I would point at things I
wanted and that's the direction I would go in my corporate
career. And there was one of them that I
applied for a position and I really, really wanted it and
came down to me and one other person and the other person got
it. So of course it doesn't feel
good. We see that as failure.
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But ultimately what I did get was another position.
It was brand new to the company.They hadn't had it before.
So I got to Trailblaze, which isone of my favorite things to do.
I found. And that position let me a whole
new skill set that I didn't have.
And the next time that that other position came open, I
applied and I got it. Like it offered me just so much
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maturity and growth. So how on earth was that
failure? How on earth was that failure?
So it just so it's a show, it really is the journey.
So those things you don't get that feel like failure, let
yourself be with that feeling. Part of the program that I do
like, we are acknowledging and processing emotions because
those introspective high achieving professionals I work
with, we need to lean on the introspective because in their
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career they've had to lean on the high achieving far too much.
So we really have to see what are we actually feeling about
something and acknowledge that. So you get to be with that, but
then you get to decide, OK, now what next?
What do I get to do next? So then we're back in that.
Here's my situation. Not exactly what I wanted, but
again, I always have a choice asto what it is that I'm going to
do. I'm looking at my bookshelf here
because there's a book, The 2nd Mountain by David Brooks.
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Oh, I've heard of it. OK, I keep thinking of this and
I was like didn't want to just look over mid conversation.
But this book talks about what happens when you have climbed
the ladder, followed your dreams.
You're at the top of the mountain now what?
Because the destination doesn't satisfy us for more than a split
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second. It really is kind of the
journey. And even in your own story that
you were telling us at the beginning of this conversation
of having the corporate and thenyou're like, I've spent 20 plus
years building this career. I don't want to have to change
it, but maybe the process is over and you've reached the
final destination there. And that's not the final
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destination of your story, your life, your growth.
And this book really talks aboutthat.
And David Brooks shares examplesof people, super high achieving
CEO's of company who loved theircareer, loved their life.
They felt like everything was working.
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They become CEO and now all of asudden they're unhappy and their
relationships are suffering and the company and all of these
pieces because they now don't have that thing to strive for or
they've reached the success and it's OK.
Well, now there's only more to want again.
And kind of having that lack of clarity and everything you're
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saying reminds me so much of this conversation in this book
because it is a reminder that it's not the career, it's not
the job you're in, it's you and what you're getting out of it
and what you're putting into it.And you working with these high
achieving professionals who I assume some of them have reached
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maybe the top of their career and are in this place, this
second mountain of OK, now what now?
Where does my purpose take me now?
What do I want since I've done it all on the career front?
I was writing down notes and so you were talking because when
we're super focused on career and we get to that point in
career, like you're saying they're at the top and now
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they're in the now what Even if that means a pivot, there's this
automatic thinking we have of OK, so then everything I built,
I'm throwing it away. I have to start over.
I've really got to breakdown that automatic thinking because
just like a book has many, many chapters, we have many, many
chapters. So everything that we do builds
us to where we are. So even though so-called
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failures or wrong paths, whatever it is, there's actually
no such thing. It's just building the human
that we are and it's building the life that we have.
So if we've been super focused on career and achieving, we're
going to get stuck in the now what because we've already
achieved the so-called top. You could look for that same
position at a bigger company. You could do all of those
things, but the hyper focus on the one area is actually what is
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going to cause you more issues than anything else.
Typically in high achievers and typically hitting that peak, we
don't always get there by payinga lot of attention to who we are
and what we want. We get there by following the
rules and showing up at the way that people want us and putting
ourselves in a position to receive that promotion and
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performing in the way that we need to.
It's generally very conditioned from outside of us as to what
needs to be done to get to that place.
So that wheel of life exercise that I had talked about, that's
why we start there. It's like, OK, great, killed it
in career and now you feel stuckagain.
Like what about any other area of your life that we could be
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looking to be more aware of or depending on their language,
optimize, like whatever it is that we want to do?
Like there's so much more that we could be looking at.
When I work with people on purpose, Really what your
purpose is, is to just rediscover your ever evolving
self and integrating that personinto the world.
There's this cycle, that hero's journey that you go on where you
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leap, you go to hell and back, you learn about yourself, you
come up with that insight. And then there's this process of
this new version of you. You have to integrate her into
the world. And that can be really
vulnerable because she integrates into the world
differently than the version of you did before.
Which means that you either havepeople that adapt to that or you
have people that don't, or environments and situations that
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adapt to that or they don't. So that's in purpose, but
because that's so big and you can't quite put your hands
around it, I actually work with people on creating what I call a
purpose statement. So mine is written over here and
it says my purpose is to use my empathy and intuitive
understanding to transform individuals via self discovery
one by one, creating a ripple effect in the world.
I love one-on-one. I love this like process of what
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I feel is almost like infiltration.
So if I can't change something from the top, I'm going to work
one-on-one with people and we'rejust going to keep putting them
in the places and creating the change.
So the more folks that we have in these corporate spaces that
are aware of themselves and respect that a whole human is in
the workplace and that not one part of us has checked at the
door, the more understanding, inclusive, relatable, empathetic
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these places are going to be. And we can finally function as
humans within a workplace ratherthan this hustle that we got to
along the growth starting with that whole industrialization.
I could go off there, but I won't.
What I will say bringing it backis that with that purpose
statement, you can use it at work, You can use it in
parenting, you can use it in relationship, you can use it
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talking to somebody in a grocerystore line.
Like I said, it's just somethingthat's really natural to you and
you'd have a hard time shutting it off if you tried.
So it's like if we really used it in career, and I'm going to
put a question mark on that because a lot of them at the top
of their game haven't really used it in career.
So there's a whole Nother Ave. where we could go of how we're
actually showing up at work and what we want to do differently,
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but also any other area. How do we want to engage that in
all of these other spaces to make our life just more full?
Well, and I love that you call that out because this is
something I'm very aware of in the entrepreneurship space.
And anybody that I'm learning from, I'm always very observant
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of the fruits of their life. So somebody who is the most
visible on social media seems tohave the largest company, the
largest following. I'm always looking for those
cues of are they actually? Because personally, I know that
the more you show up on social media, the less you're probably
showing up in your real life. Some people have it optimized
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and automated really well. Most of us don't.
I mean, based on movies and just, you know, general culture.
We see this a lot in who's sitting in the C-Suite and how,
yeah, you might have pushed so hard, high achieving and then
you get there and you're like, OK, well, the rest of my life
doesn't look the way I want it to.
Or I've now pushed in this career in this company that
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maybe I don't, my values don't actually align with and I was on
this ladder and yeah, where is the mission statement?
Where is the value statement? One question I love coming back
to, I started doing this this year.
What would my 90 year old self say?
Like when my 90 year old self islooking at 29 year old Teresa,
what is she saying? How would she make that
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decision? And what would she wish she
would have done? I always love these little
tricks of like, OK, if your lifewas a movie, what would you do?
That was how I got through my early 20s, and that's why I
traveled everywhere. So it was like, OK, well, the
script writers wouldn't write mesitting on a couch in my dorm.
And so these little tricks again, to kind of shake us out
of our life and get back to thatkind of intuition, that kind of
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who are we really and what are we really here for?
What did your 90 year old self say to you?
Oh, she's like right now, actually I'm like, this is my
last summer to be in my 20s and I am going to enjoy it.
That is what she's saying. We will never be in our 20s
again. 29 often feels like, oh, I'm almost 30, I'm getting
older. I have to be mature, I have to
figure it out. And that's not what my 29 or my
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20s are about. We're going to be in our 20s for
the last time. I went to the men's College
World Series. I'm going to Italy for a month
later this year. I'm trying to get to the pool as
much as possible, and I'm also working really, I don't want to
say hard, but very strategicallyrunning three companies.
I just started a local podcast network in Omaha to get
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podcasters together. In some ways full steam ahead,
but knowing that my work life full steam ahead is still 50%
not 100% and I'm spending 50% really living and enjoying and
prioritizing being young, which I think my 90 year old self will
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be younger than I am today. That's the goal.
But still really not getting caught up in the timeline.
The age. I think my 30s will be better
than my 20s. Whoever gets scared of their
30s, I think I tried to fight against that as well.
But that is what she's watching.The last year of my 20s being
like, girl, you better enjoy it.We will never be 29 again.
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If I think about mine, so I'm 45, I'm halfway there to her and
I've never had trouble turning any certain age.
And that's for a darker reason. I lost a lot of people young.
I saw a lot of young people pass.
And it put it into perspective for me, like way too early that
each year I get is a year that Iget.
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And that was especially true when I saw parents who had lost
their child, like I still get tobe here and like what they
wouldn't give to watch their children age just one more year.
So like I have a lot of peace with age and I'm really grateful
for it. Like my 90 year old self, when
you said that one, she's saying like, I'm 90.
So nothing you're going through is the thing that's going to end
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you. So maybe don't take it so
seriously. We're there like chill.
Out we made it past. We're still living.
Good. And then there's two things that
come up for me is 1 it'll likelycome up later. 2 is I've started
pushing past some of the perfectionism.
That's always the thing that creeps up for me is
perfectionism. So it'll slow me down on
something that I thought to do. So I've been doing a lot more of
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just like pushing go on part of it and then catching up so that
like I can't give myself the excuse not to as hard and
pressed go. So something's depending on me.
And also it's I'm especially feeling it now because when it
comes summertime, I really like to sink into summer.
I really like to slow down and the evenings are longer and
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there's time to be with my family and just really enjoy
what this is actually all about.And she's giving me full
permission because again, she's 90.
So slowing down didn't hurt her any.
She's good. I'm just like, OK, if you want
to be with summer, just be with summer in whatever way that you
can. Don't worry about what the slow
down does. Instead, understand that the
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slow down is what helps you speed up.
I love it. Our 90 year old selves sound
amazing. I love her.
I can't wait to hang out with them.
Yeah. For two days, again, it puts it
in perspective of, OK, I could work four more hours tonight and
get a little bit more done or perfect something and I could do
that all summer. And then I look back and I don't
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remember my last summer in my 20s.
I got the work done. And again it goes back to who do
I learn from and what is the fruit of their labor?
And often the loudest voices arethe easiest to learn from.
And they are pushing past their summer evenings.
And I'm very cautious to not feel like that's the advice I'm
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letting sink in. That's the coaching that I'm
getting and trying to, again, just be aware and reconstruct
the way that I'm choosing to live out that purpose statement
to show up. And even if I'm 10% less
productive, 50 percent, 80% lessproductive in a day, great.
Amazing. That's by our own definition,
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and it's just not true. Yeah, let's get into the last
series of questions, which are the obsession questions.
And since we are talking about summer, I want to know what
you're obsessed with in summer. How are you spending those slow,
long light filled evenings and days?
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Yeah, there's Richie Patio. So my partner, my husband, poor
him because there's sometimes like just these thoughts come
out of nowhere and then he's along for a ride with me.
When I was sitting there the oneday I was like, I want to make
our patio a witchy patio. Of course, he at first he's
like, what does that mean? So like it really doesn't mean
anything big. But like we ended up with like
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this little sort of fire pit thing and chairs.
We have two raised beds of just fruit, vegetable herbs, sort of
things that were taken care of. We have some pots that started
from seeds. So we're seeing what happens
with those tomato plants. This beautiful Fern I called his
name is Stan. I'm actually awful with plants,
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but there's a bunch up here thathave kept alive and it's all
experimental. So again, not going for
perfection. We're just going to do the thing
and then I'll catch up and see how it goes.
But we have those like all of that that's down and around.
I'm going to string some lights up above and it's just this
little sanctuary. And I've loved doing this since
I was little. Like I've always loved just
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creating little spaces for me tobe that are like have been
arranged by me and are just exactly what I want.
And they don't have to be pretty.
They're just, they're mine and they're comfortable and they're
like this little escape from everything around me.
Like that has remained true my entire life.
So this is just another little space that I'm creating that we
can just be in. It sounds when you say like a
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witchy patio, I think of it, it almost in my head feels like a
ritual is the word that's comingup, where it's just having that
space where you go to at a certain time of day and yeah,
you get to sit around the fire pit and it becomes this slow,
enjoyable kind of ritual. I love routine, ritual, and
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rhythm. Like all of those things.
They're just they haul off theirdifferent way of thriving, but
that's what it feeds into. You're right.
I will say if you are, I don't want to say bad at taking care
of plants or you want low maintenance plants.
My sister has a company called Bumbling Bee Natives and sells
native wildflowers. That's what I put in the pots.
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So the things from seed are all like native to our area.
Because it's funny you say that.That's one of these specific
things that I told my husband islike, I want native plants.
I want this to be like, it belongs because we do so much
like curating of lawns and all these things that don't belong
there. And when we think of like the
big wildfires I had in California, part of the problem
was a lot of the plants that arethere that are not native to the
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area that weren't conditioned tobe able to take any sort of heat
or element like that. There are things that are to be
native to the space that we're in.
Well, I'll send you a link to her business.
She, I don't know any of the technical language, but like
seeds, germinates them so that you get this kind of like small
plant that you can put into the ground.
But yeah, it's been really fun. She started that three years ago
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and I always plug it whenever I can.
Oh, please do 'cause I mean, it's not by chance that this
conversation come up like we endup on native plants.
No, I was meant to hear about itso.
Yeah, no, I love it. I went to vote in the mayoral
election and somehow even then was like telling the volunteers
there about native plants and they're like, we were just
talking about milkweeds. It is gaining a lot of traction
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I think as well. And so it's fun to see all the
people who care and are like, let's get natives, let's get
more pollinators, let's do this.I love that she's doing that.
I wanna know when it comes to coaches, educators, podcasts,
maybe even just entertainment, what's filling your cup these
days? You know, and I did not expect
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this answer to come up, we have been talking just before we got
started that I up leveled my credential from ACC to PCC with
an ICF. It's not an easy process.
It's lots of hours of coaching. It's a 3 hour proctored exam,
lots of education. However, sinking back into that
process of learning all the technicalities of coaching,
which I hadn't forgotten but hadnot had to immerse myself in so
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deeply, it fueled me again just for the purity of coaching.
People often understand coachingto be a, they tell you what to
do or give you advice or consultkind of position.
And it's not, it's one that really holds a really true space
for the person that you're speaking to.
And you're just navigating the conversation in such a way that
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it's like pulling out these pieces of wisdom from the person
themselves. Because when the wisdom comes
from within you, you actually integrate it into your life
because you had all the sparks that made that and you know that
it's true to you. It wasn't given to you by
somebody else. We get advice from plenty of
places. It was just sinking back into
the true who are of coaching andwhat it is to be present for
somebody in that moment that I didn't expect it to fill me up
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because you're studying for a proctored exam.
But it there's something about the basics of anything that
going back into the basics just has this really solid grounding
foundation to it. And it's so nice in today's
world of 32nd everything to go into depth again and really
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deepen the knowledge and the experience of going into it.
So I can see how, especially when it's something that you
truly love and you truly see an impact on, it feels really good.
Yeah, I love it. How can people work with you and
just stay in your world? Absolutely.
So I'm primarily on Instagram and LinkedIn as Angela McKay or
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Angela McKay LLC Real easy to find me website is
angelamckayllc.com. I try to keep it real simple,
not so creative in that aspect. I foundational programs are so
LED career. It's a four month transformation
or career catalyst, which is a one month, 28 day intensive.
So when people don't know which one, I always have a free
consult to connect with somebodyto figure out which path would
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be better for them. Other single services as well,
including tarot readings like you mentioned with the Biddy, I
integrate tarot into the work that I do.
People have the option, whether it's included or not.
Had anyone say no, because people are pulled into my world
for a certain reason. And tarot is not a predictive
tool. It's just used to gain
perspective. It opens up pathways that
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perhaps our minds aren't thinking about to give us
something to consider as we're going forward.
So I integrate that. Usually I have events classes to
lead an aligned career. They want the easiest place to
get started. Just download my freebie Career
Compass on the front page and that's that exercise that'll
help you just get that glimmer into purpose so that you can
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start taking charge of your career in a way that feels good
for you. The smallest, easiest level.
Amazing. Thank you so much for coming on
Becoming Obsessed. I love that I get to have an
episode that's for my 9 to fivers as well because I feel
like so often I'm like guys, I promise I don't hate 9 to 5.
It just isn't my path. I don't talk about it.
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So I love that we got to bring this experience to Becoming
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life that they love to. All right y'all, let's go get
obsessed.
It is no secret that I want you to live a life you love, a life
that you're obsessed with. And honestly, that starts with
loving the life you're currentlyliving.
Because what if the problem wasn't the relationship or the
job? What if the problem was you?
Yeah, we're going to go there, so stay with me.
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I'm not blaming you, But we're going to get into how we can
actually look at our career and see if we're unhappy because of
the way we're thinking about it,the way we're showing up, or if
we're unhappy because we're on the wrong path and we need to
make a change. Today I am joined by Angela
McKay, a career intuitive vocation coach who is ICF
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certified, a certified Mind Rebel coach, and a certified
Bitty Tarot advisor. Angela has more than two decades
of experience as an HR professional and now she helps
purpose driven professionals find and create satisfaction in
their careers through her signature method, Soul LED
career. Angela, welcome to becoming
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obsessed. Thank you so much.
I'm so happy to join you here. I am so excited to talk to you
because this is something that Ijust feel has shaped my life so
much. I grew up hearing people
complain about their jobs for decades at a time and never
really taking ownership of making that change or getting in
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a different job or looking at itdifferently.
And you know, I understand jobs are hard, running a business is
hard, a career is hard. But at the same time, I learned
that I didn't want to spend my time complaining and I wanted to
find out how I can take control and take ownership.
You know the thing we spend the most hours doing our work.
And that's why I'm an entrepreneur.
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That's why I started this podcast.
And so you are like my perfect guest to dig into this more and
have the actual like professional and experience of
helping people do this. But I really want to start with
your own change from being in HR, being in professional roles
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and I assume corporate over to having your own business and
kind of what that transition wasand what the Catalyst event was
for you to be like, OK, let's take control and do something
new here. OK, buckle up.
I was with an organization for over 25 years, so I really grew
up in that organization. I was still in college when I
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was there. I was there after I graduated
college, having my family and everything.
There was just always something there for me to do.
I was really great at pointing at what it is that I wanted to
do and just making it mine, which that sounds so simple, but
there's a lot of power in pointing at something that you
want making yours. And I took for granted that that
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was an ability of mine that not everybody shares.
So that's part of what I incorporate into what I do now.
But I found myself on the HR track of the organization.
I love people communications, advocating for people, creating
programs that look at the different life stages and the
different experiences that people have.
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As I was going along that HR leadership journey, there was
just something that started to feel a little bit more
disconnected for me. And by that time, once you've
sunk that much time into your career and you've built your
life around, that's a dreadful feeling to get because you don't
know what to do next. Your skill set seems very
specific. You certainly don't want to
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start over because you like yourhouse, you like the clothes that
you're putting on. You don't want to have to scrap
all of that. So there was a very pivotal
moment when I was in my HR leadership track that it's
actually my freebie now called the Career Compass.
I never knew it was going to be my freebie later in life.
It's just what I needed in that moment.
And I started a list beside me. Everything that I did throughout
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the day, big or small, I wrote it on that list on basically a
like or dislike category. And then I think it was about a
week that I did that. And at the end of the week, I
just went through the likes to see if there was a theme there.
And every like had to do with A1on one interaction where it
helps people to navigate where it is that they wanted to go or
what it is that they needed to do or what their next step would
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be. Most of those situations I had
no business knowing like the specifics of it, the expertise
portion of it, but I was able tohelp them to talk through that
space. What that allowed me to do was
start like tapping into this thing we call purpose.
People find that they want to find this purpose outside of
them, but it's really an internal thing.
It's based on the most natural strengths that you're here with,
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that you're born with, the lightthat you have to shine that
creates this impact. It's so natural to you that it's
hard for you to see that you're using it, and then it's having
an impact on people. So that was my first glimpse
into what that purpose was and Ijust knew that if I started
doing more, I would like my workbetter.
Even if it wasn't all of my work, I would like my work
better if I did more of that wasvery intentional on my part to
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do that. I didn't know that was coaching
at the time. Like I didn't label that as
coaching, but that became a theme ongoing.
So there was a point in time where a colleague reached out to
me and said there's this coach she's offering pre session,
would you like 1? And it was an immediate yes.
And it was a yes for two reasons.
One, I wanted the session and two, I instantly knew like I
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want to be a coach, I want to dowhat she's doing.
So I met with her and I was going to talk to her about the
future of my HR career. And it wasn't long before I was
talking to her about how I fulfill this I want to be a
coach thing. And I did that while I was
working my full time job. I got my coaching education
while I was working my full timejob.
I implemented a coaching programinto the company I was working
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for. So there's a lot of work that I
did before I made that so-calledbig leap that people say from my
full time job and into entrepreneurship.
It's not the big leap that people think it is or it doesn't
have to be. And I think that's what I like
to drive home is it doesn't haveto be the scary thing where you
turn your life upside down. There's so much that you can do
in between to be preparing yourself for what it is that you
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want. It makes me think of my friend
Megan Hale. She just did an Instagram Live
with me and the Creative Law Shop, one of my companies, and
we were talking to somebody in the comments who was like, hey,
I'm just getting started. And she was like, you know what?
1 great thing you can do to takefinancial pressure off of your
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business. Have a part time job, have
something else that you enjoy that you can do part time that
ends when you kind of leave the building.
And like you're saying, you don't have to make a change like
2 feet in jumping off a Cliff hoping that the net appears.
You can climb down, you can climb up, you can take a piece
at a time. And I think so often doing what
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you did, where it's like, let's actually just where do I start?
Make a list. What do I like doing in my
current role, in my current job,business career?
How do I just do more of that and help maybe do less of the
things that you tried? Absolutely.
There's also what that process does.
So I say that I help people to revive the careers that they've
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built. And some people might interpret
that as stay stuck where you are, like we're just going to
make good of this thing. Absolutely not.
That's why I emphasize that there's a world of possibility
between settling and quitting, and that's what we're going to
play with. Because when you are where you
are and you want something else,that want for the something else
becomes really strong and it makes you really dislike where
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you are because it's not that thing that you want.
However, when you move into yournext opportunity with that
energy of desperation or haste, you're likely not going to make
the best decision for you because the energetic intention
of that move is not aligned withan energetic intention that
actually feels good. You're running away from where
you are, from where you are. You can start doing the work of
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not only doing more of what you like.
So that was that first exercise,but then starting to identify
what is it that I might want to know more of or learn about or
get experience with so that you can treat where you are like
this vast playground. A possibility basically to start
testing things that you do or don't like.
To Start learning, to start engaging so that you're more
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like calling that next thing into you rather than running
towards it. That's a completely different
energetic signature. Well, and I love that too
because it goes into this kind of philosophy that I believe we
share of if you aren't taking care of what's inside 1st and
the way that you're kind of perceiving the world around you
and taking ownership of what's in front of you, I really
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believe that any change you make, you're just going to
transfer your unhappiness with you.
I come from a digital nomad background, and we'd all, you
know, go travel the world. And a lot of people, we'll do
it. And they're like, OK, if I leave
this country, I leave all my problems and unhappiness behind.
They're still inside you. So they kind of come with you.
And I just love what you're saying is we're not going to
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stay stuck, but we can still take a breath, take a pause, re
evaluate and treat it like a playground so that we can make
that next step or that next leapalmost out of a place of, yeah,
this is right, instead of, well,I got to be anywhere but where I
am right now. Yeah, you take yourself with you
wherever you go. So that's a majority of work
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that we're doing is just that deep transformational work
because as much as people don't want to hear it, largely what
holds them back from what they want and where they want to go
with themselves. Sure, there are external factors
that might work to kind of hold you down, but still in every
situation that you are in, you have a choice that you can make.
So there's always this personal power and personal sovereignty
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that you have to be making a decision in any situation that
you're in. It's the easy road to say I
can't because and then point to anything that's outside of you.
That's the excuse that holds youback, because sometimes it's
easier to complain than to do the thing that you really want
to do. But the discomfort of staying
where you are will just compoundif you don't start taking the
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steps towards what it is that you actually want.
It's so easy for us to sit here and say this stuff, but I know
how hard it can be. I'm sure you know, from your own
experience, too, of making change is hard and scary.
And when I was, like, a teenager, I decided I was going
to be different than everybody else.
And I was like, I am going to love uncertainty.
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And I am so good at change. And I just would tell myself
this over and over. And then I think in the last
four or five years, I've been like, OK, that actually wasn't
true. And I can have more grace with
myself and not, you know, you kind of deconstructed as well.
I want us to get a little bit more granular or tangible.
And, yeah, it's hard. And like, it is easier to just
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complain than it is to take ownership over it, especially if
you haven't built that skill setor seeing other people do that.
Because a lot of times we just see the complacency and we don't
understand the ownership. It's kind of what this podcast
is, is to like secretly just implant in everybody's brain.
They can have ownership over it.But when you're working with
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your clients, what are some of the first steps or exercises or
conversations you're having to help kind of like retrain this
brain pathway or this idea of, OK, maybe you can take ownership
or you can look at this differently.
How do those conversations go? So in that first phase of work,
there's three things that come to mind that we're working on
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pre will right away. One, it's an exercise.
It's been around forever. A lot of people use it, but it's
the wheel of life. So within the wheel of life,
there's just the different slices in this circle of those
areas of your life that it's representing.
So your relationship, your finances, your job, your
passions, your parenting, just all those main areas.
And we do that just to take an overall inventory because there
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are times where you are focused on one part of your life being
quote UN quote bad. But when we take that overall
inventory, sometimes it's highlighted for us that it's not
just that one area where there'sanother area where if we put our
focus there, increasing and satisfaction within that takes
your sight off of that thing youthought was miserable.
What comes to mind is I had an entrepreneur who thought that
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she was going to have to quit the business that she was
running. The business was successful.
Her heart wasn't in it anymore. Her passion for it seemed to
have gone completely out. Wasn't long that we were working
together that we discovered thatthe health and nutrition factor
of her life was actually where it was.
So she cleaned up the health andnutrition.
She felt outstanding. The work wasn't a problem
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anymore. So the light had gone out.
But it wasn't in the area of herlife that she thought that it
was that regained. So we start with that wheel of
life just to take inventory. Boundaries, boundaries,
boundaries, boundaries, energetic boundaries.
The majority of people that I work with have some element to
them of fixing, healing, helping, saving others.
Perfectionism is a lot of times what that looks like.
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Wanting things to go well, not wanting people to feel badly,
not wanting to be perceived badly.
There is a lot that falls into the bucket of fixing, helping,
healing, saving. And when we're doing that, we're
completely we lacking boundariesfor ourselves and we're
disrespecting the boundaries of anybody else.
We're also taking from them the growth experience that they are
meant to have. So I talk a lot about the human
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experience. We are all here on our separate
pathways. We don't know what's in store
for ourselves and we certainly don't know what's in store for
others. So to try to stand in the way of
their growth is to prevent them from following the pathway that
they are here to explore and to evolve in.
So fixing, healing, helping, saving, we're need to take
responsibility for our own energy, how we feel, what we
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want, speaking for that huge lesson.
And it's like the one that we come back to time and time and
time again. Because whenever you start to
feel rocky, it's usually a boundary that needs to be
addressed. And then one of the biggest
transformations is I work with people on their mind, body, soul
alignment. So when you were that mind is
open to the wisdom of your soul or your higher self or your
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intuition, whatever folks are comfortable expressing that as.
When your mind is open to that wisdom, then it can logically
think through what you need to do in alignment with what it is
this meant for you. Your body can be on board
creating tangibly those things that your mind produces like
it's this just completely open, funnel and flow.
However, there are three lenses through which I see that you see
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the world through and 1 is fear,lack and scarcity.
The other is defensiveness, eco judgement and control.
And the last is wisdom, clarity and love.
Those first two lenses are the ones that most people are
walking around, seeing the worldthrough and making their
decisions from. So when you're thinking about
what you want to do in your career, you're in fear, lack,
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scarcity, defensiveness, ego, judgement, and control.
Wisdom, clarity, and love is theharder one to source, especially
if you're not familiar with whatit sounds like.
So we work to personify actuallythose three lenses so that you
can see them as something outside of you to be able to
kind of communicate with and to work with that wisdom, clarity
and love when you were inside ofthat persona.
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That is when that mind, body, soul channel is clear.
When you're those first two, something is blocking the flow
of what's happening there. Like that's really the deeper
internal transformational work that we are doing.
And what it helps people to do is start to become empowered to
make the decisions that are bestfor them.
There are a lot of reasons that we don't make the decisions that
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are best for us. And in fact, sometimes we trick
ourselves into saying me making the best decision for them is
actually the best decision for me.
If it's not best for you, it's not best for you.
Yeah. It is something I talk about a
lot on this podcast too, is those nudges and the what ifs
and those moments where it's like, OK, do I chase that?
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And I'm like, if you got a what if?
If something's calling to you, go find out.
But at the same time, I love howyou're framing it as how do we,
before we make the decision, getto a place where we feel
confident in where that voice iscoming from?
Is it coming from that fear, that scarcity, that need of
control? Or is it coming from like, OK,
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I'm feeling love, abundance, kind of clear headed.
I've been working through some of the stuff and seeing where
the voice or the nudge comes from and being able to then
decide, like you're saying, OK, where are we making this
decision out of? If somebody is really, I don't
want to say unfamiliar with, butmaybe unfamiliar with or feeling
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like they just can't get to that, like love, abundance, that
kind of third silo that you weretalking about, how do you even
start to move into that headspace and full body
alignment? Oh gosh, there's so much that's
based in honesty, and honesty can be really difficult to
source with ourselves. But when we start talking about
mind, body, soul alignment and just intuition in itself, we
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like to make intuition more complicated than it is.
We like to think that it's this voice that we hear and it comes
in really clearly and all of a sudden we have this, aha.
And I think again, in our human experience, it's just one of the
things that we desperately want is for it to be so clear.
But like, life isn't clear. Even your clearest vision, as
you start walking towards it becomes different.
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It morphs as you go along your path.
On the side of intuition, I generally advise people to start
becoming just in tune with theirbody.
What is being communicated to them through their body, right
down to what aches and pains do you have?
What is your reaction when you hear something like how did your
body receive that? How is that sitting with you?
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The decisions that are best for you come with this energetic
signature of, and this comes from my coaching school and
their framework. But if it scares your mind and
stirs your soul, it's the right step.
So if you've got scares your mind and scares your soul, like
we're probably looking and not the right thing, but if it
scares your mind and stores yoursoul, then you know you've
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sourced that uncomfortable thingto do as a human that is right
for the soul of the human. So when it comes to that
honesty, like I said, when you're working through kind of
sitting in a moment and asking, like if I were 100% honest with
myself right now, what is it that I need?
What it is it that I would want?What support would I ask for?
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Just like 100% honest, just sit with yourself and knows, allow
yourself to be totally honest about that, which is hard
because we filter ourselves evenwhen we're alone and no one can
hear our thoughts. And then just really tune into
what your body is communicating to you about that.
This body that we have and all of its senses is what intakes
everything around us. When it intakes that
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information, it sends it to yourmind and your mind then
determines what it is that you feel from that.
So that's the cycle that we're looking to break up a little
bit. Is that automatic?
That's happening because it's based on everything in your life
that has happened up into that point, and we're looking to
create something new. It reminds me of a trick that my
mom always taught me when I had to make a decision that is
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basically it doesn't matter which one you choose, choose one
and sleep on it. The next day I'll either be
like, Yep, OK, great, that's theright decision, or I'll find
myself trying to redecide again and it doesn't feel like I've
actually decided because it isn't the right decision.
And this is something I've seen actually, there's some really
popular podcasters I used to listen to.
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One of them would tell the storyabout how it took four months
for him to decide what medical school to go to.
And I'm like, no, it didn't. You just didn't allow yourself
to make the decision for four months because you didn't want
the answer. But when we're coming back to
the same question, even though we've made a decision, but that
decision isn't sticking, isn't sitting in our body, that's one
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of the signals to me, the catalyst for this podcast was a
huge breakup I went through about 3 years ago.
Where I was doing this for yearsof making a decision and then
always coming back to it of OK, I'll stay and coming back to it.
And it just never was sitting right.
And eventually the relationship ended and it was like, OK, you
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know, I could have listened to myself a bit sooner, whatever
that journey was that I needed. But it's this full body like
you're saying, full body alignment of OK, is it just your
brain that's kind of scared and hesitant and being too logical,
but it feels good in your soul or it feels right in your body.
OK, just make a decision and then wake up in the morning and
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see how you feel. Has really helped me through
some of those. I love that advice from your
mom. I think it's fantastic,
especially the waking up in the morning and then Yep.
And then that's the direction you're going.
There is still that hesitation. Like two things come up for me
when you say that is like the then what?
You just take like a tiny actionstep.
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So once you've made the decision, you just take a tiny
action step again, I think we like to relate that making the
decision to like this big thing and now everything has to change
or, or whatever it is, you just you take one small step.
So even if that thing that you decided is I want to do a 180
pivot on my career, Wow, that's scary.
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It feels true, but that's scary and I can't do that.
OK, well then just Google something today, like just look
up something about that thing that you were thinking and see
what's out there. How might you walk down that
path? What are the skills that
crossover between those two thatmaybe you already have going for
you that could be translated into something completely
different? Who's somebody that's doing
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that, that you could just sit and have coffee with and talk to
him about how they got there, what they like about it, what
they don't like. There's a lot that you can do
that doesn't disrupt your life, that allows you to start really
entertaining that thing that youare being pulled towards.
The other thing that came up is in relation when we talk about
how we really don't know the long term vision.
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We set one, we walk towards it, but we can really only plot the
like next 1-2 or three steps in front of us.
We start walking that direction.We learn about ourselves, we
learn more about that vision, wepivot as we go.
But the difference is, is that you're walking towards something
that you want while also knowingthat you cannot have what you
want in a vice grip because that's just not how this works
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with your mom's advice. There's one that I use all the
time that sounds so trivial, butif I'm trying to decide
anything, and this is from what earrings I put on or what I need
to do, I say, OK, so this decision, if the time is even, I
pick this one. If the time is odd, I pick this
one. And then I look at my watch.
It's odd that it's this, those smaller things, great, like that
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just keeps me moving. I'm no longer like thinking
about that thing that really doesn't matter.
I've picked it. I've gone about my business.
When you do that process, you'llnotice how you react to it.
If you have that all feeling after you look, it's like, OK,
you didn't want the ones that were on even you wanted the ones
that weren't odd. So pick the ones that aren't odd
and move about your business. It gives us something to react
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to. The way that this all works is
like action is what allows us the clarity to figure out what
we want. So those little action steps and
having something that we react to allows us more clarity on
what it is that we really do or don't want.
So just paying attention to the oh or kind of feelings that we
get. Again, it comes down to this
body thing that's happening. But yeah, I just, I look at my
watch, Otter even, and then moveupon my day.
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I love that. Well, and it's like when you put
those two things together of what do I want?
What is like the next thing I'm moving towards, you know, you
can even say, OK, in six months I want to have this progress
towards it or in a year and you figure it out, like you said,
OK, this next step, what's my reaction?
And let the path appear opposed to trying to see the whole path
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before you take a first step. It's a very common way of
looking at this or people talk about it like this a lot.
And I love it because to me it makes so much sense of just take
the next straight step. Just head in that direction and
maybe the thing you think you want is actually going to get
you to this other thing that is a fit.
And you don't have to know that right now.
We just have to move in that direction.
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What you said is actually biggerthan you just presented because
again, like here I am and here Iwant to be.
There's a lot in between where you are and where you want to
be. If we think of it in the way of
this vision that you have over here, whatever that is that you
want, there is a version of you that already exists in that
vision. She has already done all of the
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growth, all of the evolving thatneeded to happen for her to be
there. That's not where you are.
You haven't experienced any of those things.
And it's not just a matter of jumping from here to there.
There are a lot of things along that path that to you might not
make sense to getting there, butthey're not going to make sense
to you. Again, that's not how this
works, but it's the thing that you need to confront in order to
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get to that place. When we have a challenge in
front of us, an obstacle, a thing we didn't want, we like to
see that as something that is inour way and or signaling that
we're going the wrong way. Those don't have to be true.
You have to make peace with those so-called obstacles.
They're not in your way. They are the thing that you need
to do to get to that place that you want to go.
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So in every single day when we have challenge, and we will have
challenge every single day, if we stop calling it that thing
that's in my way and start calling it OK, this is the thing
that I'm doing today. You completely change your
perspective on it. You take that big heavy power
out of it that you gave it, and instead it's just the thing that
you're doing today. If we take that dramatic
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emphasis out of it, it becomes alot more palatable as we go
along towards that vision. Well, and I think of really
tangible examples of this is like if you do want a promotion
or you want to kind of horizontally transfer into a new
role and it's like, OK, maybe it's a new skill set you need.
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And so it's everyday I'm just becoming more like that person.
And it's this act of becoming and kind of just the human
experience of doing and of beinga little bit more each day I'm
gonna be in a class and learn this job a little bit more, this
new skill set I want. Or with this podcast, I'm like,
OK, before I knew what I wanted this podcast to be, I just knew
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I wanted one. And I knew I would never have
the answer for what it was untilI was recording episodes, until
I was posting them and having more conversations.
And so I still don't know what the end point of this is, but
it's not about that as much as the doing the being, and just
the kind of like weekly muscle of recording and editing and
posting and seeing what parts ofthe conversation really resonate
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with people. Yeah, I know that, like people
hate hearing that. It's not the destination, it's
the journey, but it's true. I said I would point at things I
wanted and that's the direction I would go in my corporate
career. And there was one of them that I
applied for a position and I really, really wanted it and
came down to me and one other person and the other person got
it. So of course it doesn't feel
good. We see that as failure.
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But ultimately what I did get was another position.
It was brand new to the company.They hadn't had it before.
So I got to Trailblaze, which isone of my favorite things to do.
I found. And that position let me a whole
new skill set that I didn't have.
And the next time that that other position came open, I
applied and I got it. Like it offered me just so much
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maturity and growth. So how on earth was that
failure? How on earth was that failure?
So it just so it's a show, it really is the journey.
So those things you don't get that feel like failure, let
yourself be with that feeling. Part of the program that I do
like, we are acknowledging and processing emotions because
those introspective high achieving professionals I work
with, we need to lean on the introspective because in their
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career they've had to lean on the high achieving far too much.
So we really have to see what are we actually feeling about
something and acknowledge that. So you get to be with that, but
then you get to decide, OK, now what next?
What do I get to do next? So then we're back in that.
Here's my situation. Not exactly what I wanted, but
again, I always have a choice asto what it is that I'm going to
do. I'm looking at my bookshelf here
because there's a book, The 2nd Mountain by David Brooks.
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Oh, I've heard of it. OK, I keep thinking of this and
I was like didn't want to just look over mid conversation.
But this book talks about what happens when you have climbed
the ladder, followed your dreams.
You're at the top of the mountain now what?
Because the destination doesn't satisfy us for more than a split
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second. It really is kind of the
journey. And even in your own story that
you were telling us at the beginning of this conversation
of having the corporate and thenyou're like, I've spent 20 plus
years building this career. I don't want to have to change
it, but maybe the process is over and you've reached the
final destination there. And that's not the final
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destination of your story, your life, your growth.
And this book really talks aboutthat.
And David Brooks shares examplesof people, super high achieving
CEO's of company who loved theircareer, loved their life.
They felt like everything was working.
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They become CEO and now all of asudden they're unhappy and their
relationships are suffering and the company and all of these
pieces because they now don't have that thing to strive for or
they've reached the success and it's OK.
Well, now there's only more to want again.
And kind of having that lack of clarity and everything you're
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saying reminds me so much of this conversation in this book
because it is a reminder that it's not the career, it's not
the job you're in, it's you and what you're getting out of it
and what you're putting into it.And you working with these high
achieving professionals who I assume some of them have reached
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maybe the top of their career and are in this place, this
second mountain of OK, now what now?
Where does my purpose take me now?
What do I want since I've done it all on the career front?
I was writing down notes and so you were talking because when
we're super focused on career and we get to that point in
career, like you're saying they're at the top and now
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they're in the now what Even if that means a pivot, there's this
automatic thinking we have of OK, so then everything I built,
I'm throwing it away. I have to start over.
I've really got to breakdown that automatic thinking because
just like a book has many, many chapters, we have many, many
chapters. So everything that we do builds
us to where we are. So even though so-called
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failures or wrong paths, whatever it is, there's actually
no such thing. It's just building the human
that we are and it's building the life that we have.
So if we've been super focused on career and achieving, we're
going to get stuck in the now what because we've already
achieved the so-called top. You could look for that same
position at a bigger company. You could do all of those
things, but the hyper focus on the one area is actually what is
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going to cause you more issues than anything else.
Typically in high achievers and typically hitting that peak, we
don't always get there by payinga lot of attention to who we are
and what we want. We get there by following the
rules and showing up at the way that people want us and putting
ourselves in a position to receive that promotion and
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performing in the way that we need to.
It's generally very conditioned from outside of us as to what
needs to be done to get to that place.
So that wheel of life exercise that I had talked about, that's
why we start there. It's like, OK, great, killed it
in career and now you feel stuckagain.
Like what about any other area of your life that we could be
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looking to be more aware of or depending on their language,
optimize, like whatever it is that we want to do?
Like there's so much more that we could be looking at.
When I work with people on purpose, Really what your
purpose is, is to just rediscover your ever evolving
self and integrating that personinto the world.
There's this cycle, that hero's journey that you go on where you
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leap, you go to hell and back, you learn about yourself, you
come up with that insight. And then there's this process of
this new version of you. You have to integrate her into
the world. And that can be really
vulnerable because she integrates into the world
differently than the version of you did before.
Which means that you either havepeople that adapt to that or you
have people that don't, or environments and situations that
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adapt to that or they don't. So that's in purpose, but
because that's so big and you can't quite put your hands
around it, I actually work with people on creating what I call a
purpose statement. So mine is written over here and
it says my purpose is to use my empathy and intuitive
understanding to transform individuals via self discovery
one by one, creating a ripple effect in the world.
I love one-on-one. I love this like process of what
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I feel is almost like infiltration.
So if I can't change something from the top, I'm going to work
one-on-one with people and we'rejust going to keep putting them
in the places and creating the change.
So the more folks that we have in these corporate spaces that
are aware of themselves and respect that a whole human is in
the workplace and that not one part of us has checked at the
door, the more understanding, inclusive, relatable, empathetic
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these places are going to be. And we can finally function as
humans within a workplace ratherthan this hustle that we got to
along the growth starting with that whole industrialization.
I could go off there, but I won't.
What I will say bringing it backis that with that purpose
statement, you can use it at work, You can use it in
parenting, you can use it in relationship, you can use it
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talking to somebody in a grocerystore line.
Like I said, it's just somethingthat's really natural to you and
you'd have a hard time shutting it off if you tried.
So it's like if we really used it in career, and I'm going to
put a question mark on that because a lot of them at the top
of their game haven't really used it in career.
So there's a whole Nother Ave. where we could go of how we're
actually showing up at work and what we want to do differently,
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but also any other area. How do we want to engage that in
all of these other spaces to make our life just more full?
Well, and I love that you call that out because this is
something I'm very aware of in the entrepreneurship space.
And anybody that I'm learning from, I'm always very observant
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of the fruits of their life. So somebody who is the most
visible on social media seems tohave the largest company, the
largest following. I'm always looking for those
cues of are they actually? Because personally, I know that
the more you show up on social media, the less you're probably
showing up in your real life. Some people have it optimized
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and automated really well. Most of us don't.
I mean, based on movies and just, you know, general culture.
We see this a lot in who's sitting in the C-Suite and how,
yeah, you might have pushed so hard, high achieving and then
you get there and you're like, OK, well, the rest of my life
doesn't look the way I want it to.
Or I've now pushed in this career in this company that
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maybe I don't, my values don't actually align with and I was on
this ladder and yeah, where is the mission statement?
Where is the value statement? One question I love coming back
to, I started doing this this year.
What would my 90 year old self say?
Like when my 90 year old self islooking at 29 year old Teresa,
what is she saying? How would she make that
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decision? And what would she wish she
would have done? I always love these little
tricks of like, OK, if your lifewas a movie, what would you do?
That was how I got through my early 20s, and that's why I
traveled everywhere. So it was like, OK, well, the
script writers wouldn't write mesitting on a couch in my dorm.
And so these little tricks again, to kind of shake us out
of our life and get back to thatkind of intuition, that kind of
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who are we really and what are we really here for?
What did your 90 year old self say to you?
Oh, she's like right now, actually I'm like, this is my
last summer to be in my 20s and I am going to enjoy it.
That is what she's saying. We will never be in our 20s
again. 29 often feels like, oh, I'm almost 30, I'm getting
older. I have to be mature, I have to
figure it out. And that's not what my 29 or my
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20s are about. We're going to be in our 20s for
the last time. I went to the men's College
World Series. I'm going to Italy for a month
later this year. I'm trying to get to the pool as
much as possible, and I'm also working really, I don't want to
say hard, but very strategicallyrunning three companies.
I just started a local podcast network in Omaha to get
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podcasters together. In some ways full steam ahead,
but knowing that my work life full steam ahead is still 50%
not 100% and I'm spending 50% really living and enjoying and
prioritizing being young, which I think my 90 year old self will
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be younger than I am today. That's the goal.
But still really not getting caught up in the timeline.
The age. I think my 30s will be better
than my 20s. Whoever gets scared of their
30s, I think I tried to fight against that as well.
But that is what she's watching.The last year of my 20s being
like, girl, you better enjoy it.We will never be 29 again.
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If I think about mine, so I'm 45, I'm halfway there to her and
I've never had trouble turning any certain age.
And that's for a darker reason. I lost a lot of people young.
I saw a lot of young people pass.
And it put it into perspective for me, like way too early that
each year I get is a year that Iget.
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And that was especially true when I saw parents who had lost
their child, like I still get tobe here and like what they
wouldn't give to watch their children age just one more year.
So like I have a lot of peace with age and I'm really grateful
for it. Like my 90 year old self, when
you said that one, she's saying like, I'm 90.
So nothing you're going through is the thing that's going to end
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you. So maybe don't take it so
seriously. We're there like chill.
Out we made it past. We're still living.
Good. And then there's two things that
come up for me is 1 it'll likelycome up later. 2 is I've started
pushing past some of the perfectionism.
That's always the thing that creeps up for me is
perfectionism. So it'll slow me down on
something that I thought to do. So I've been doing a lot more of
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just like pushing go on part of it and then catching up so that
like I can't give myself the excuse not to as hard and
pressed go. So something's depending on me.
And also it's I'm especially feeling it now because when it
comes summertime, I really like to sink into summer.
I really like to slow down and the evenings are longer and
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there's time to be with my family and just really enjoy
what this is actually all about.And she's giving me full
permission because again, she's 90.
So slowing down didn't hurt her any.
She's good. I'm just like, OK, if you want
to be with summer, just be with summer in whatever way that you
can. Don't worry about what the slow
down does. Instead, understand that the
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slow down is what helps you speed up.
I love it. Our 90 year old selves sound
amazing. I love her.
I can't wait to hang out with them.
Yeah. For two days, again, it puts it
in perspective of, OK, I could work four more hours tonight and
get a little bit more done or perfect something and I could do
that all summer. And then I look back and I don't
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remember my last summer in my 20s.
I got the work done. And again it goes back to who do
I learn from and what is the fruit of their labor?
And often the loudest voices arethe easiest to learn from.
And they are pushing past their summer evenings.
And I'm very cautious to not feel like that's the advice I'm
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letting sink in. That's the coaching that I'm
getting and trying to, again, just be aware and reconstruct
the way that I'm choosing to live out that purpose statement
to show up. And even if I'm 10% less
productive, 50 percent, 80% lessproductive in a day, great.
Amazing. That's by our own definition,
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and it's just not true. Yeah, let's get into the last
series of questions, which are the obsession questions.
And since we are talking about summer, I want to know what
you're obsessed with in summer. How are you spending those slow,
long light filled evenings and days?
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Yeah, there's Richie Patio. So my partner, my husband, poor
him because there's sometimes like just these thoughts come
out of nowhere and then he's along for a ride with me.
When I was sitting there the oneday I was like, I want to make
our patio a witchy patio. Of course, he at first he's
like, what does that mean? So like it really doesn't mean
anything big. But like we ended up with like
(40:45):
this little sort of fire pit thing and chairs.
We have two raised beds of just fruit, vegetable herbs, sort of
things that were taken care of. We have some pots that started
from seeds. So we're seeing what happens
with those tomato plants. This beautiful Fern I called his
name is Stan. I'm actually awful with plants,
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but there's a bunch up here thathave kept alive and it's all
experimental. So again, not going for
perfection. We're just going to do the thing
and then I'll catch up and see how it goes.
But we have those like all of that that's down and around.
I'm going to string some lights up above and it's just this
little sanctuary. And I've loved doing this since
I was little. Like I've always loved just
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creating little spaces for me tobe that are like have been
arranged by me and are just exactly what I want.
And they don't have to be pretty.
They're just, they're mine and they're comfortable and they're
like this little escape from everything around me.
Like that has remained true my entire life.
So this is just another little space that I'm creating that we
can just be in. It sounds when you say like a
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witchy patio, I think of it, it almost in my head feels like a
ritual is the word that's comingup, where it's just having that
space where you go to at a certain time of day and yeah,
you get to sit around the fire pit and it becomes this slow,
enjoyable kind of ritual. I love routine, ritual, and
(42:14):
rhythm. Like all of those things.
They're just they haul off theirdifferent way of thriving, but
that's what it feeds into. You're right.
I will say if you are, I don't want to say bad at taking care
of plants or you want low maintenance plants.
My sister has a company called Bumbling Bee Natives and sells
native wildflowers. That's what I put in the pots.
(42:38):
So the things from seed are all like native to our area.
Because it's funny you say that.That's one of these specific
things that I told my husband islike, I want native plants.
I want this to be like, it belongs because we do so much
like curating of lawns and all these things that don't belong
there. And when we think of like the
big wildfires I had in California, part of the problem
was a lot of the plants that arethere that are not native to the
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area that weren't conditioned tobe able to take any sort of heat
or element like that. There are things that are to be
native to the space that we're in.
Well, I'll send you a link to her business.
She, I don't know any of the technical language, but like
seeds, germinates them so that you get this kind of like small
plant that you can put into the ground.
But yeah, it's been really fun. She started that three years ago
(43:21):
and I always plug it whenever I can.
Oh, please do 'cause I mean, it's not by chance that this
conversation come up like we endup on native plants.
No, I was meant to hear about itso.
Yeah, no, I love it. I went to vote in the mayoral
election and somehow even then was like telling the volunteers
there about native plants and they're like, we were just
talking about milkweeds. It is gaining a lot of traction
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I think as well. And so it's fun to see all the
people who care and are like, let's get natives, let's get
more pollinators, let's do this.I love that she's doing that.
I wanna know when it comes to coaches, educators, podcasts,
maybe even just entertainment, what's filling your cup these
days? You know, and I did not expect
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this answer to come up, we have been talking just before we got
started that I up leveled my credential from ACC to PCC with
an ICF. It's not an easy process.
It's lots of hours of coaching. It's a 3 hour proctored exam,
lots of education. However, sinking back into that
process of learning all the technicalities of coaching,
which I hadn't forgotten but hadnot had to immerse myself in so
(44:25):
deeply, it fueled me again just for the purity of coaching.
People often understand coachingto be a, they tell you what to
do or give you advice or consultkind of position.
And it's not, it's one that really holds a really true space
for the person that you're speaking to.
And you're just navigating the conversation in such a way that
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it's like pulling out these pieces of wisdom from the person
themselves. Because when the wisdom comes
from within you, you actually integrate it into your life
because you had all the sparks that made that and you know that
it's true to you. It wasn't given to you by
somebody else. We get advice from plenty of
places. It was just sinking back into
the true who are of coaching andwhat it is to be present for
somebody in that moment that I didn't expect it to fill me up
(45:11):
because you're studying for a proctored exam.
But it there's something about the basics of anything that
going back into the basics just has this really solid grounding
foundation to it. And it's so nice in today's
world of 32nd everything to go into depth again and really
(45:31):
deepen the knowledge and the experience of going into it.
So I can see how, especially when it's something that you
truly love and you truly see an impact on, it feels really good.
Yeah, I love it. How can people work with you and
just stay in your world? Absolutely.
So I'm primarily on Instagram and LinkedIn as Angela McKay or
(45:52):
Angela McKay LLC Real easy to find me website is
angelamckayllc.com. I try to keep it real simple,
not so creative in that aspect. I foundational programs are so
LED career. It's a four month transformation
or career catalyst, which is a one month, 28 day intensive.
So when people don't know which one, I always have a free
consult to connect with somebodyto figure out which path would
(46:13):
be better for them. Other single services as well,
including tarot readings like you mentioned with the Biddy, I
integrate tarot into the work that I do.
People have the option, whether it's included or not.
Had anyone say no, because people are pulled into my world
for a certain reason. And tarot is not a predictive
tool. It's just used to gain
perspective. It opens up pathways that
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perhaps our minds aren't thinking about to give us
something to consider as we're going forward.
So I integrate that. Usually I have events classes to
lead an aligned career. They want the easiest place to
get started. Just download my freebie Career
Compass on the front page and that's that exercise that'll
help you just get that glimmer into purpose so that you can
(46:55):
start taking charge of your career in a way that feels good
for you. The smallest, easiest level.
Amazing. Thank you so much for coming on
Becoming Obsessed. I love that I get to have an
episode that's for my 9 to fivers as well because I feel
like so often I'm like guys, I promise I don't hate 9 to 5.
It just isn't my path. I don't talk about it.
(47:17):
So I love that we got to bring this experience to Becoming
Obsessed and if you are still hanging out with us, we want to
know. Send me a voice note on Becoming
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if there is a kind of sticky point in your career that you're
working through. Reach out to Angela and send
(47:40):
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