When Life Falls Apart, Your Greatest Evolution Begins - with Geoff Rupp - Becoming Your Warrior

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Becoming your Warrior podcast.
This is the place where you getto feel inspired and empowered
to step into your very best life.
Have you ever been thrown acurveball so big it completely
reshapes your life?
That is exactly what happenedto a dear friend of mine, jeff

(00:23):
Rupp, who is joining us ontoday's episode.
Jeff and I have known eachother for nearly 20 years, and
about a decade ago Jeff wasdiagnosed with cancer and also
made redundant from his 20 plusyear career in television, and
this was a huge turning point inhis life, not only in his
health, but also how he wasliving, led him down a path to

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go and study in India, and henow teaches other people how to
heal themselves, how to comeinto alignment with their bodies
, using Vedic meditation,himalayan breathwork and Vedic
astrology.
This is a two-parter.
There is so much gold in hereand I know you are just going to
love Jeff's wisdom.

(01:08):
Jeff, welcome to the Becomingyour Warrior podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Thanks, Emma.
Thanks for having me.
It's great to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's good to have you here.
We have known each other areally long time.
I think it's good to have youlike.
We have known each other areally long time, like eight.
I think it's now what's?
2007?
We met when we were working atnetwork 10.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, um so a long, long time ago um, so I was
remembering you coming in whenyou first came in.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Oh, really a little person.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, you're in the newsroom.
Right, you're in the news.
Yeah, I was in the newsroom fora couple years.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah it's so long ago , now so long ago.
But I guess I want to start offwith a big question, which is
what has been the biggestobstacle or challenge that you
have faced in your life and howdid you get through it?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, I would say it was probably when I had a cancer
diagnosis when I was 39.
And also at that time, likebeing made redundant.
And then, you know, six monthslater, so basically like in
February, I finally had cancer,six months later I was made
redundant.
And then, you know, at thatparticular time in my life, I
really felt that the sky wasfalling.
You know, I didn't really knowwhat was going to happen and I

(02:23):
think that that my meditationpractice and you know, those
that I had at that particulartime, was really what led me to
where I was going, because Iended up doing Ayurvedic
medicine and all that kind ofstuff as well, which was really
all part of Vedic meditation, orthe Vedas, you know, with the
Vedic knowledge that's allaround, and it's really changed
the course of my whole life yeah, it's incredible.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
I mean, that is for for most people, I think, just
getting a cancer diagnosis iswell and truly enough.
But um, you know, I rememberobviously that was when all the
redundancies were happening aswell.
So I mean how you kind of said,like you felt like the sky was
falling.
What was that like for you atthat time in your life when this

(03:07):
double whammy got?
Yeah, you know, I think it washard.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
It was hard in the way that obviously I had, you
know, my health that I had tolook after, because up until
that point I probably hadn'tbeen that healthy.
I wasn't managing a sportschannel.
Then, you know, I was head ofsport for channel 10 and then I
was, um, also, my dinners werecanapes and beer most nights,
you know, and going to eventsmost weekends and sitting in a

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box seat and also, you know,alcohol and, you know, just not
eating properly.
Really, um, I think that it wasactually more when I lost my
job and my phone stopped ringingand no one cared who I was
anymore because I couldn't gettheir sport on TV or, you know,
even their program when I was inprogramming at Channel 10 and

(03:51):
that stuff as well, I think that.
I didn't quite realize thatpeople only liked me for what I
could do for them.
And so, you know, when theemail stopped and the phone
stopped ringing and that kind ofstuff, I started to wonder,
like who am I?
I didn't actually know who Iwas because I, up until that

(04:13):
point in my life, I'd had atelevision career since I was,
since I left school.
So, you know, when you workedin tv, it was always considered
to be, you know, even though weknow from working behind the
scenes, just like a normal job,like any job.
Um, it has a glamour moments,um.
But I think that that's wasprobably the biggest crux.
It was like I didn't.

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I realized at that particularpoint in time that I did not
know who I was when I wasn'tJeff Rupp TV guy, and so, yeah,
and that was like a thing now,and I also was very, very
mindful of the fact that Ithought I do want to be Jeff
Rupp cancer guy, right?
That was the reason why, Ithink you might remember, around
that time I didn't really tellvery many people that I had

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cancer, like I didn't really.
I literally told a small groupof people and, um, and my
parents, obviously, my family,they were new.
But I didn't really tell anyoneelse because I didn't really
want empathy and I also didn'treally want for it to be
something that was going tostart defining who I was, and I
don't.

(05:15):
I mean, that was something Ijust didn't.
Actually it wasn't.
I did do it consciously, but itwas also something that I just
felt that I needed to do becauseI didn't want to make it into
like a thing.
It was like all of those thingslike combined together where it
was like, but the first bigpart was really discovering who
I was.
That was probably the hardestpart, because I really almost
had to start again and go okay,well, if I'm not that person and

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it was interesting listening tomy language actually because
you, when people you know, youmeet people all the time and
then you forget that people golike oh what do you do?
and we're all kind of defined byour job and I used I remember
like hearing myself say oh, Iused to work at channel 10 and I
used and I did this and I usedto do this, you know, and um,
that's when it's veryinteresting to see, because

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that's when I was like Iremember consciously thinking as
well, I need to change my story, like I need need to work at
what, who am I and what do I do?
Because it doesn't reallymatter what the job is that I do
, but it was very interestingthat that was the thing that
defined me and actually Isuppose, having a very prominent
role, it made that egoic partof my life stronger until it was

(06:22):
taken away.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
And then I thought, yeah, yeah, I need to do
something about that yeah, Ireally get that because it's
like, even now, even though I'm,you know, really as far away
from TV, I still do a little bitof wellness role.
But it's.
It's really interesting, thatstory, because I think when you
say that you work in TV, peopleare automatically very
fascinated in you, aren't they?

(06:44):
It's kind of, you know, youkind of go, oh, like I produce
TV shows and everyone's like, oh, which one you know?
And it's like, and it's an easyconversation starter.
So when you meet people, peopleare very interested in you.
So I really understand thatlike separation from that.
But so for you, it's kind oflike you know, that egoicic
thing and I understand this aswell of even saying, oh well, I

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used to, you know, run sportschannels.
I mean, I guess, going throughwhat we would now call that's a
bit of an ego.
Well, it's an ego death, isn'tit?
yeah, yeah, yeah and and so whatwas your process of going
through that ego death, and whatkind of tools or resources did
you use to to move forward fromthat or be in the now, I should

(07:31):
say.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, I think that it was definitely a meditation.
I was lucky that I was alreadyhad Vedic meditation, which was
like my meditation technique.
I tried lots of other differenttechniques but that was
something that when I was evenhead of sport, then I used to
actually use it as my stressmanagement technique, like I had
gone and and learned it and itwas something that I just did
religiously every day and I youknow cause I used to meditate on

(07:53):
planes, cause I flew a lot andall that stuff.
It just became this beautifultool that I had in my life that
I really felt helped me a lot.
And so, um, when the job partof it got taken away, I almost
like doubled down on themeditation part of it as well,
because I realized, like, withall the knowledge that I had,
you know about vedic meditationand vedic knowledge about, you

(08:13):
know, happiness is within youand even the show I'm going to
say access the ground is withinyou.
Um, irony, um, you know,because it is that you get told
all those things.
But it was also about how do Itap into that bliss state, how
do I do that stuff?
And I really understood as wellthat I, I think, from you know,
doing a few courses and likeall that stuff as well, was

(08:34):
understanding like, okay, I needto work out who I am at my core
when I'm not anything else orwhat just makes me happy, and I
think that that was likedefinitely part of it.
Meditation was definitely amassive part for me of like, um,
my life.
I definitely doubled down onmeditation during that
particular period of my life,like I made sure I did my 20
minutes twice a day, but a lotof times I did you know there

(08:55):
are other practices you can addon like I definitely doubled
down because I found that thatstarted to um tune me into
myself and then, because I hadthe cancer as well, I I also did
this whole protocol where I didlike no alcohol, no dairy, no
sugar, no meat.
You know I was doing Bikram yogaevery day when Bikram yoga was
like a thing.
But Bikram yoga was greatbecause it was like, uh, you

(09:16):
sweat.
I love sweating when I was likeworking out, but it was also a
sweat thing where I could tastemy sweat every day and I knew
like, oh, every morning I usedto go at six o'clock and do a
Bikram yoga class and I wouldalways taste my sweat during the
class.
So I knew like, oh, is it sweet, which means I'm alkaline, or
is it salty, which means I'macidic?
So if it was like salty, I'd golike, oh, I need to put more
greens in me today or I need tobe really mindful about what I'm

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putting into it was sweet.
I thought like, oh, okay, I'mgood today, so stuff like that,
you know.
And then I think that, because Idid know alcohol and dairy and
sugar and meat and all thatstuff, during that particular
time I was very clean, like youknow, I think the cancer, having

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lost my job, doing all thislike was almost like the perfect
storm in a way of likesomething that was pushing me
somewhere else.
I needed to go and um, and ittuned me into myself.
I think when you're like eatingreally clean and you're doing
things like that as well, likeyour, my vibration, obviously
that I understand.
Now my energy levels weredifferent.
I was able to almost likeintuitively, start to understand

(10:21):
like, oh, this is the directionthat I need to move in.
So I think that it was more likewe call it charm and aversion.
When I'm teaching meditationnow, like you know, do you
follow charm what feels good orif something, if you're moving
in a direction that feels notthat good, then stop.
And you know if you, my teacherhernando always says like you
know, if you just change yourcourse like one degree, you get

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a whole new destination you knowif you're heading in a certain
direction, like you know, changecourse, whole new destination.
That's why we all haveopportunities every day to make
different choices in our lifewith what we're doing as well.
You know, we can choose to be avictim, or choose to do certain
things and see things incertain ways, or we can choose
to take a different approach andsee what happens.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
you know, like and I think that's the beautiful part
of life- yeah, absolutely, and Ithink there's a really
beautiful quote by a teacherthat I've studied under, which
is his name is Peter Krohn, andit's life will present you with
the people and circumstances toshow you where you're not free.
And so it's just that you knowlife is going to happen and it's

(11:33):
just about your involvementthrough it, like how you evolve
through it and whether, yeah,just like you said, whether
you're in that victim mindset orwhether you can actually see
that this is a mirror and whatare you going to do with this?
You know, what are you going todo with this lesson.
So, what are you going to dowith this lesson?
So, um, so tell me a little bitabout I mean, first of all, I
just just you know, cause I knowpeople will be interested.
Obviously you're cancer freenow, which is incredible, um,

(11:55):
and your approach was you know,I know you, you used Ayurveda,
but you also used Westernmedicine as well.
What was the next stage of yourjourney from there, from the
operation, from healing yourself?
Where did that take you next?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Well, it took me because I ended up going back
into television.
Like I took some time off.
I was lucky that I'd been atChannel 10 for 10 years by that
stage.
So I got a redundancy packageand stuff like that as well,
which worked out in my favor,which was great.
Got a redundancy package andstuff like that as well, which
worked out in my favor, whichwas great.
So it gave me time to be ableto take a bit of time off.
Like I said, I felt that skywas falling.
But actually when you inhindsight, when you look back on
it, you can go like, oh, thatwas a godsend that I actually

(12:34):
was able to leave during thattime and then concentrate just
on my health.
You know, and I ended up goingto foxtel six months later, like
when I went back and I was likehead of the entertainment
channels there I was lookingafter on demand as well.
But I remember, like you know,when I first went back in there,
I definitely had a differentapproach.
It was very interesting, like II wasn't looking at as

(12:55):
something that was going todefine me as well.
I was definitely much moreconscious of going like oh, this
is just what I'm doing as afunding mechanism to, like you
know, do my job and I and Istill enjoyed it.
I still enjoyed working intelevision.
I still enjoy that stuff, but Ididn't have the same.
I realized there was thepassion that was like inside of
me.
So I thought my only way out isout.
And I had also because of mycancer journey with Ayurveda and

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meditation and I'd seen how toreally change my life and I'd
met so many other people whoselives that had changed.
It was something that I thoughtI really wanted to move into
the wellness space.
But I definitely had a fearinside of me of going.
Well, how do I leave 300 granda year and go to like zero?
Because that's literally what Ihad to do.
So it was like, but, um,eventually the drive was like a

(13:40):
little bit stronger, I supposewhere I decided one day that,
like I, a few things werehappening at work as well, where
it was very interesting, where,you know, I had some problems
with some staff, and then I washaving like problems with other
managers and like, but it wasalmost like a way, where I was,
I was awake enough to understandthat like nature's trying to
like push me out.
This is happening because ithasn't happened before, and now

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all of a sudden it's happening,you know, but in a way it was
like the shaking of the applecart of like someone going like
oh, you need to like dosomething.
Like you're hanging.
I was hanging on because I waslike almost more afraid of like
what happens after what I wasn'tdoing when I take a leap of
faith and go like well, this iswhat happens.
But then one day I'd had enough, actually, where I'm feeling
like this is not serving me, andI feel stressed in my body

(14:26):
because I was starting not tosleep properly at night and I
was thinking like actually, Ijust need to get out because
this is showing me that, like Ipromised myself I wasn't going
to do this again and I so I left, I literally went in and I quit
and they said if you do this,you'll burn every bridge.
Like you know, I'll make sureyou never work in television
ever again.
It was like a very heated thingand I actually said to them you

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know what I've decided.
I don't want to do this anymore.
So, like, burn up every bridge,blow it up, I don't care.
Like I said, you all should bedoing me a favor because, like,
I don't actually want to do thisanymore, so it doesn't matter.
Like I've done everything I'vewanted to do in television, plus

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like a hundred other thingsthat I didn't even know I wanted
to do.
So I said, like it's okay, Ifeel like it was over, and I
literally like left that job anda few months later, I was in
India for five months, likestudying to become a Vedic
meditation teacher, because Iknew that you know, when you do
the Vedic meditation teachertraining, it's like you know you
do these things called roundsand you do like 14 hours of
meditation a day over threemonths, and you know it's, um, a
really intensive program.
But, um, I remember at that timefeeling like I didn't want to

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be anywhere else, but that wasalso, you know, me moving into a
new space and I had to put astring in my bow.
I thought, if I'm going toactually like start moving into
that area which is what I wantedto be in that wellness,
spiritual kind of like you knowarea then I had to create a
modality that I could teach ordo, something that was going to

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start opening the door or startpushing me in that direction so
that I could start doing that.
So I went and did that and then, you know, it's very
interesting, like even justtalking about taking a leap of
faith as well.
You know, in the vedicworldview of how we look at life
, it's about, you know, naturelikes it when you actually take
a leap of faith and you dosomething.

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That's that's, you know, justtrusting that everything's going
to be fine and we actually getsupport from nature that we
don't realize happens and wealways overthink things go well,
how am I going to get the moneyto be able to do whatever I
need to do?
And when I get back?
And you know, and at thatparticular point of my life as
well, I had other debts and Ihad other things and I literally
used the money that I had leftover to like make myself debt

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free, but it didn't leave like alot of um money left in the
bank.
So the first test that I had togive myself was going like,
okay, I I'm just going to go toIndia do this thing, even though
my parents everyone's tellingme, like, what are you doing?
You're crazy.
Like you know, you should betrying to get another job and I
was getting offered things aswell, like.
But I was like, no, I'm goingto go and do this.

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And, um, you know, I went toIndia.
I did it not knowing what wascoming on the at the other side,
but I think that you know, wedon't know where it's coming.
But I feel like that's what weneed to do in terms of like,
taking leaps and understandingthat nature is always going to
support us, and that's whatmeditation gives you as well.
It gives you that deep trust ofgoing like okay, I just need to

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trust that it's going to be fun,because you know what, if we
really zoom out and look at thebig timeline of our lives, when
we go through all the ups anddowns that we've been through,
it's always worked out wemight've had tough times, but
we've learned about ourselves.
So you know, we're only herefor one purpose anyway evolution
.
There's no other purpose.
Evolution, expansion, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Can we go?
Can we go back?
Cause that was.
I mean so much and it's so funny, as you're telling that story
like I'm reliving it, but frommy perspective.
Like I'm reliving it but frommy perspective, like I remember
you being like you're not goingto hear from me for five months.
I remember you driving your carup to your mom's.
I remember you coming back andus all being like Jeff's back
and you were like I'm up in, youknow, the far north of

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Queensland driving down.
So it's actually really sweet.
It's like a little bit of avisit down memory lane.
But can we just go back to Iguess you know that decision to
go to India and really justexplaining, like what Vedic you
know?
We've talked about certainwords that are obviously very
specific to Indian culture, likeAyurveda.

(18:16):
You know Vedic meditation, um,and also I know obviously you do
Vedic astrology as well.
So can you talk to me, I guess,about what is Vedic meditation
and why did you want to go andstudy that for five months?
What's the difference betweenthat and say traditional or TM

(18:38):
meditation?

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Well, with Vedic meditation, if we drum it all
the way down, just do one tothree things.
Like you can normally putmeditation into three buckets.
There's like concentrationtechniques, where you might
concentrate on your breath or acandle or something.
And then there's contemplationtechniques, which are guided
meditations or, you know,thinking about things.
And then there's transcendingtechniques, which is using a

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mantra, so Ved mantra.
So Vedic meditation falls intothe into the mantra side as a
5,000, over 5,000 year oldtechnique.
We use a mantra which is like abija mantra.
So bija means seed in Sanskrit.
So you use a seed mantra.
Um, you don't say them out loud,they're not things like I am
love or that stuff.
They're actually sounds whichare vibrational matches to your

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physiology and to nature, kindof.
You know that exists indimensions of nature, and so it
causes your mind, your egoicmind can't actually latch on to
any meaning for that thing, soit causes it to go from active
thinking mind down to thisbeautiful place of transcendence
or that inner bliss state thatresides in all of us.
And you know the other twotechniques.

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You know they've been lobbed inas meditation, but really
they're mindfulness techniques.
They're not really meditation.
Like you know, people say that,oh, I meditate every day, but
they listen to a guidedmeditation app, and there's
nothing wrong with that as well.
It's very good for rewiringyour brain and it's very good
for putting you into a relaxedstate and giving you.
But, at their mindfulnesspractices, like meditation, like

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transcendental meditation,meditation, vedic meditation,
they all come from the same bodyof knowledge.
You know the um, a transcendingtechniques.
They use mantras, uh, and youknow the uh.
There's other different typesof techniques as well, which
also use like different mantrasand things like that as well,
like this suffer meditation,which is also what ananda does,
but actually the mantras are thesame.

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You know the mantras that weuse are because everything, all
knowledge, exists inconsciousness.
So you know the differentrishis or the different teachers
that came through, like myrishi maheshogi was the tm guy
and you know that he was the onethat died and then, like,
pretty much, vedic meditationcame from the TM side when my
teacher, tom at the time, likeyou know, broke away and created

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Vedic meditation when TM becamea trademark name.
Now we have Vedic meditation,we have Transcendental
Meditation and all that stuff aswell.
But it all comes from MahavishyaMahesh Yogi, so it all stems
from the same body of knowledge,you know, going from Guru Dev
actually.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
So with Vedic meditation the mantra is like
you know.
You said that, you just say inyour head.
So it's not like an om, it'snot like you know, it's specific
to individuals.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, so mantras can come in different.
So a lot of times we use japamantras.
So japa mantras are mantrasthat we say out loud.
It's like om, om, namah,shivaya, like hari, om, all
those types of like you know,hari, krishna, like all those
kind of ones.
You can say them out loud oryou can actually say them
internally, but they're nottranscending technique mantras,

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right?
So the bija mantras are acertain set of mantras that are
designed basically, you know,they're actually sounds which
are the essence of devas or,like you know different.
Um, you know, we've got likeshiva and shakti and ganesh and
like all those kind of likedeities that exist in the hindu
tradition.
Um, you know, and they're notlike gods, but they're actually
like beings that exist in otherdimensions, you know, and if you
actually really do certainpractices, you can have the

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experience of that being.
But also the sounds that cometo them aren't actually the
names of those gods either.
They're actually the essence ofwhat they represent, like, for
example, yeah, yeah, likelakshmi is the goddess of
abundance and sadhna swati isthe goddess of knowledge and
ganesha is the river obstaclesand shiva is the destruction
operator and also creation.
So it's like you know thiswhole beautiful um thing.

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Like you know, some techniquesteach you like, oh, they don't
have any meaning.
When you start releasing stressfrom the nervous system and you
start understanding what thispractice actually does, it
starts to expand your awarenessinto, like so many different
aspects where you don't realizethat you're reacting to
everything that's happening toyou in your life instead of
responding to everything that'shappening to you in your life.
Like it gives you this likemuch bigger sense of calm.

(22:57):
You understand normally whenthings happen to you.
You don't really sweat thesmall stuff so much anymore.
Like you just kind of like havea much more ability.
You don't really get as sick asmuch because you're you know,
90% of all disease comes fromstress in the nervous system.
When you're doing a dailypractice which is releasing
stress from the nervous system,like you're just a lot healthier
.
You also know what to put intoyour mouth, like when I was

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doing my cancer journey.
If we can go back to that, likewhen I was doing my cancer
journey, if we even go back tothat, like when I was meditating
a lot more, like I almost knewwhen I came out every day like
what I had to eat.
My body was actually cravingcertain things and I was going
like, oh, today I need to eatmore spinach and I need to eat
like more.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
And because you were so tuned into it.
You were like, oh, like, whereasnormally you just like jump up,
get in the rat race, jump inthe car at 6, 30, throw whatever
coffee and all that stuff inand not be in tune with your
body, but because you're wakingup with that practice can can
you talk to me, because I thinkthis is something that I go
through and maybe other peopleexperience as well like, just

(23:56):
like you said, when you, whenyou're going, when you have that
daily practice, when you wakeup in the morning, you've got
that 20 minutes of of meditationor whatever your, your practice
is right, what is it?
Do you think that makes peoplego into like that place of like
resistance towards it?
Like you know, if I said tosomebody who's never done to
meditation before and I was like, oh you know, like meditation's

(24:19):
so great and these are thebenefits like and I'm saying
this for myself as well likethere's periods in my life where
I meditate every morning andthose periods of my life are the
happiest days of my life, butsomething will happen and I
slide away from it and then it'salmost like harder to get back
on the train.
What do you think that's about?

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I think that sometimes, like, meditation does
make you feel good.
So you going like, oh, this isreally great.
And then, when we're feelinggood, we think that, oh, okay,
it did its job, like this iswhere I am.
And then, and then all of asudden, like obviously the you
know, because we build up, we'remeditating, we're building up
adaptation energy, so it's like,you know, we're getting rid of

(25:02):
the stress of the nervous system.
We might have a few thingshappen to us, but we've still
got like a battery, like I liketo think of it like a battery.
So we've got this beautifulbattery power, that kind of like
is happening and you know.
But when we stop meditating,the battery starts like going
down in power.
Then most of the times, then wehit this bit and we start
reacting to life instead ofresponding to life again, and

(25:23):
then we go like, oh, actually Iwas feeling better when I was
meditating every day.
So we do things like that.
So I think that's why aconsistent 20-minute twice-a-day
practice is a perfecthouseholder technique, because
you're always continuallyfilling up your battery so that
you're not getting to that pointagain where you're doing it.

(25:44):
It's not a tactic to help youget through a a certain period.
It's like something that you do, like cleaning your teeth, you
know, and if you do it everysingle day as a practice.
When it's, then it's not apractice anymore, like, for me,
meditation isn't something thatI have to really think about.
Like I get up in the morning, Ilike go to the bathroom, I have
a drink of water and Iliterally sit on this couch,

(26:04):
like pretty much in the cornerwhere I'm sitting now, and I
meditate there.
You know, like that's the firstthing I do, without do not pass
go, do not look at my phone, donot do anything, just do that.
You know, like that way therelike sets me up.
I go into this beautiful state.
Because if you can do it in themorning when you first wake up
as well, you can normally getback into that transcendent
state quickly, because thatmantra kind of drops you off in

(26:25):
that space between waking andsleeping and sleeping and
dreaming.
So it's like in normal peoplewho don't meditate, you pass
through that slot within threeseconds.
But if you meditate, it's kindof dropping you off there.
So your mind has this memory oflike oh, I know this place.
So if you don't distractyourself with anything when you
first get up, you can normallygo to that space pretty quickly.
But you're doing it alwayssitting up on a chair so you're

(26:45):
still conscious of the soundsand that are around you and
stuff like that, but then you'renot.
Yeah, when you don't do itconsistently, then it's just
like anything like.
It's like if you were a tennisplayer and you were a pro tennis
player and then you juststopped training because, like,
you just did tournaments but youdidn't actually do the thing.
It's the same thing.
You just start losing it, soit's not anything.

(27:06):
But if you can incorporate itinto your daily routine like
yesterday afternoon was anothergood example I had to go and do
all the stuff in the morning.
I was coming out, I had to doyou know, I do astrology
readings as well and I had to dothis reading at like three
o'clock but I was feeling liketired and I thought I don't like
doing readings with people whenI'm tired, so I feel a
responsibility for that.
But it was like two o'clock andI thought, oh, it's actually
not till three, so that's great.

(27:27):
So I went and sat down and Imeditated for half an hour and
then I came out of that and Iwas like you know, because that
20 minutes or half an hour thatI did is equal to three to five
hours of, like deep rest, youknow.

(27:48):
So it's always really good to dothat, but you don't realize,
like, how, how much, um, howthis beautiful tool that you
have in your tool belt, once youhave it, can really help you,
like navigate different parts ofyour life.
You don't lay down and have asleep or whatever.
Like you just sit down andclose your eyes and, you know,
go inward and start tapping intothat beautiful heart-centered
awareness and it starts helpingyou in so many different areas
of your life.
That's why I really love it,because it really I watch it
change people's lives every week.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
But yeah, it almost seems to me that it's kind of
like when you're meditating,you're so tapped into source
every day and that's why youfeel good, right.
You're just not in thatresistance anymore.
And when I've stopped, from myexperience, I feel like it's
like my ego is kind of likegoing Nat, stay over here, Like
don't meditate, because you knowthis is where we stay.

(28:31):
We stay in this world of thehuman experience, which is like
scarcity and separation, and youknow you've got limitations
here.
And it's so interesting, assoon as you meditate, it's just
like this vibration lifts, lifts, like you just are open to way
more possibilities.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
So well the egoic mind is.
You know the egoic mind isdesigned.
We need the egoic mind, youknow.
But the thing is we don't wanthim to be the driver, and the
egoic mind is designed to keepus.
It wants to stay safe, so itkeeps us in the ever-repeating
no one of life.
That's how we kind of likedescribe it.
We just love going around in acircle, like you know.
We wake up, we go to work, wecome home and cook dinner, we

(29:10):
watch the block, we go back homeDo you know what I mean?
Like and then, yeah, then we goto sleep, and then on Tuesdays
we do tennis, and then on likeFridays, we might go for a drink
with our friends and just kindof live for the weekend.
But when we're meditating theegoic mind gets disrupted.
It doesn't like the fact thatwe meditate, because he starts
to lose control and he startsgetting moved to like the

(29:30):
passenger seat of life.
And but you know, when we'remeditating regularly, even now,
I still get it Like I still havethat voice that goes like don't
bother doing your practicetoday, you know, it's okay.
You did an extra 10 minutesthis morning, like don't bother
doing the afternoon one, do youknow I mean, but it's true, like
it does come and like, but onlybecause like it doesn't want to

(29:52):
lose control.
It wants to keep you in theever repeating non, the safe,
the thing that we consider safe.
It's the same way of liketaking leaps, like I did when I,
like you know, went to go tolearn to become a teacher and
stuff like that.
It's the same thing if welisten to that mind and if you
really think about it.
This is I had a conversationwith someone about this
yesterday.
I was about, um, when someonegoes like there's two people

(30:13):
inside of me, and I was like,yeah, there's like two.
Like who do you talk to whenyou're talking to yourself?
Do you know what I mean?
You're actually talking to youregoic mind, actually, that's
what you're talking to.
You know it's almost like yourspirit or like someone, is like
talking to, like your soul, islike talking to the other driver
, and you've got to be able tosay like wait, get out of that
seat, that's my seat you know,and I think that um that's what

(30:33):
happens.
I feel like the egoic mindtricks you into thinking like,
no, you don't need to do itbecause you're feeling really
good now.
But actually, if youconsistently keep doing it, it
just gets better yes, right,rather than always like going
backwards and forwards andbackwards and forwards, and
backwards and forwards.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
It's like you just keep going forwards yeah, and I
think the egoic mind is is, youknow, that's with all the love
and compassion and for it in theworld, because it essentially
is just a a collection of yourexperiences of life.
So there's a lot of like innerchild stuff in there as well,
and so that's why it's likereally important, I think, not

(31:09):
to hate the ego and be like oh,I just want to kill my ego.
It's like you can't.
No one's going to kill theirego.
Everyone's got an ego.
Even the dalai lama has an ego.
He has an identity right.
So, um, but it's just um.
It's just like even that voicewhen, when you like, say, you
start like a meditation practiceor you start like a health plan

(31:30):
or you go to the gym, thereason that you will sabotage
yourself is the ego.
It's not any other reason itwill be.
Old stories are like you've hityour goal, okay, let's go and
smash some pizza and fat coke.
You know's like.
The ego is like cool, we did it, okay, let's just, and that's
all that happens.
So whenever anyone says to meabout sabotage or anything like

(31:53):
that, I'm just like it's.
There's just a story in yourego that is happening and you
can I know from my ownexperience, like you can be in
the driving seat when you aremeditating and when you have
that daily practice.
And it's about, like notbeating yourself up if you like
miss the daily practice, likeonce or twice, but just

(32:14):
recognizing if you let it go fortoo long, you will start to
slip, you'll start to slide downand that's the ego that's
getting you to slide back.
A hundred percent, yeah it yeah,trying to take control back and
you're like no, you're notgonna win no, you're not get
over here.
Come on in the loving embrace,come over here, but as your soul
, I'm just gonna cuddle you andthen let's go where we're meant

(32:36):
to be going so that's right.
So we we touched a little bit onvedic astrology as well.
So what, what is vedicastrology like?
If I was coming to you and Iwas like jeff, you know, I've
heard you do this vedicastrology thing, you know with a
lot more respect, but what,what?
How would you explain it to me?

Speaker 2 (32:56):
well, you know, that was the other thing as well.
I was going to say, like youknow, when I put that first
string in my bow of like um,vedic meditation teacher, then I
realized like, oh, I can't justdo like one thing.
Then I learned himalayan breathwork with anand and did like my
200 hour yoga teacher training,all that stuff as well, using
kriya and that stuff, and then Iended up I've always been
interested in astrology, likefrom a really young age and then

(33:17):
um, and I think that then Iwent and learned how to do vedic
astrology.
So with vedicic astrology, howit's different from Greek and
Western astrology is that welook at what star sign was
actually rising on theeasternmost horizon when you
were born, because that givesyou a much bigger flavour of
what your life is like.
So it's like what sign wasactually coming up on the

(33:38):
horizon at the time that youwere born.
And if you look at Greek andWestern astrology, it mainly
looks at what sign your sun wasin, not actually what sign was
coming off.
So that invading astrology isknown as your rising sign or
ascending sign, and that's theone that really determines your
personality in this lifetime.
Like I've had lots of peoplewho've done like western
astrology readings and I go like, oh, this is actually a rising

(33:59):
sign.
They go like, oh, I thought itwas this.
And you're like, oh, it'sactually this.
And then you tell them and golike, oh, that actually sounds
much more like me.
And um, you know, we'reconnected to the planets by the
chakra system of the body, solike saturn's the root chakra,
jupiter's the second chakra,mars is the third, venus is the
heart, mercury's the throat, andthen sun and moon.
And there's also two othershadow planets in vedic
astrology which are the northnode and the south node of the

(34:22):
moon, but they're known as rahuand k2.
So the mythology goes that theshort version is that when the
gods were giving up the immortalnectar to live forever, um,
this dragon stuck into the lineand the dragon was like I want
some of that and they're likeyou can't have any, you're a
dragon.
But as he was drinking theimmortal nectar, they sliced him
in half and so the head went toone end of the chart and the
tail went to the other.
So they always aspect eachother in the chart, but the tail

(34:44):
, which is k2, represents whatpast life karma you came into
work on in this lifetime and thehead represents expansion into
what you're supposed to be doing.
So if you don't work on whatyou came into work on, then
sometimes you're always chasingsomething, never feeling
satisfied because you're just ahead with no body.
But if you do work on what youcame in to work on, then you can
like ride the head of thedragon for like full expansion

(35:05):
into your Dharma.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Okay, I've got so many questions.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, but with Vedic astrology it's like you really
helped you understand.
It's like the blueprint of yourlife.
Wherever there's 12 houses,which are the 12 star signs, it
really, wherever the planets are, in which house, which is which
sign, determine, like how theenergy of that particular
planet's like going to play outin your life.
And uh, and each houserepresents a different part of

(35:31):
your life, like family you wantinto siblings, like korea, like
mom, dad, you can see the wholelife in there, and so you know
it shows you the blueprint of,like what you're supposed to be
doing for your life, like whatenergies you've played with,
whether they're low valueenergies or high value energies,
and then it's, and then thechoices that you make in your
life determine how the karmaplays out.

(35:51):
Are you choosing the high value?
You're choosing the low value,and I think that you know, in
vedic astrology as well, we alsohave nakshatras, which are like
the little 27 littleconstellations that go around.
So if anyone ever reads like myfull moon posts on Instagram and
stuff like that as well, like Italk about the nakshatra that
the full moon is in, becausethat in each sign there's like

(36:13):
two and a half nakshatras, sothere's like other little tiny
signs, like Sagittarius and youknow, cancer and all that kind
of stuff they're actually knownas Bani and, like you know,
revati and stuff like that samething, like the archer or a
lotus or like whatever, likejust made in the stars, and and

(36:34):
then we also have the datasystem, which is like, um,
certain planets sit over yourchart for certain periods of
time, and so you might havejupiter for 16 years and
saturn's 19 years and you havemoons 10 years and stuff like
that as well.
But when they change signs likethat's when something big shift
happens, because it's normallymoving to a different house, so
a different house in your areaof your life gets lit up.

(36:55):
And that's the part that Ireally love the most.
When I do, I kind of do it atthe end of the reading, when I
go to people, like what happenedin june of 1994 and I was like
oh my god, that's when Idivorced my husband and, like
you know well, that's when I hadmy first child, or that's when
I moved to new york.
You know, and then go, oh, yeah,then what happened in like you
know, like 16 years after that,you know, like, when you oh,

(37:16):
that's when I, you know, decidedthat I wanted to change my
career and do something else.
But it's because, like, andwhen you tell them the exact
dates of, like when thingshappen, they'll go like, wow,
you know, it really makes peoplelike understand, um, understand
that there's like, definitelyyou know, certain areas, like we
all have, like, a certain pathwe're all here for, for

(37:38):
evolution, but we're actuallyevery single person that's alive
and breathing also has apurpose we're all part of, like
this one big beautiful living,breathing, you know, and and, uh
, we all have to understand thatwe all have a purpose, like you
know, and that, um, and thisreally helps you navigate.
That that's what I really love.
It's like this beautifulscience that helps you really

(38:00):
navigate your chart and I I'dprobably do two or three
readings a day most days, andit's been, um, something that I
never thought that that wouldbecome, the thing that I was
probably well known for, youknow, like it was something that
I was doing as part of acoaching program that I thought
like, oh, when I coach someone,if I just look at their chart,
they won't have to tell mewhat's wrong with them, because
I'm already going to know.
Yeah, and with astrology youcan look at different periods of

(38:24):
your life and there's likeharder periods and bits when the
apple cart gets shook and but alot of times it's trying to
move you like I'll give you anexample like when I actually
look at my chart, I was able tolike, after I'd studied it, I
was able to go back to go like,okay, well, what was happening
when I had cancer and I lost myjob and all?
that stuff and I was goingthrough this like seven and a
half year period called sadasati.

(38:44):
Sadasati means seven and a half, but it was actually like a
time in my life when, when I seeit happen on any person's life
fact, most people who getreadings from me are either in
the beginning of that period,the middle of that period or the
end of that period.
Like that's the majority of it,because people are going like
my life's been turned upsidedown.
I need time to understand what'sgoing on, and it's very
interesting because when I lookback at mine, I was going like,

(39:05):
oh, that was actually right orhappened right at the beginning
of that seven and a half yearperiod.
And when you think about it, itwas actually really almost like
seven years from the time, likeI had it, went through it like
went back to work at Foxtel,went to India, did whatever, and
then my life changed.
And you know, and that's notgoing like oh, then I was like
fully, it's almost like one bookof my life closed.

(39:25):
Like which was that book?
And now I?
It wasn't like a chapter, itwas like a whole new version of
like me and um and the personthat I was meant to step into.
But I had to have that wholeexperience to understand myself
on this side of it.
You know cause?
I find that when I teachmeditation, or if I even do
reading, sometimes to helppeople understand things, I
teach in story form.

(39:45):
As you can tell, I'm Geminiascendant, so I Mercury is my
the Lord of my ascendant, soit's all about communication and
talking.
So sometimes I just can't shutup, but it's like, you know, um,
yeah, that's part of the thingso, yeah, that's like in a
nutshell, I suppose.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
So I mean just to just to sort of nut it all down,
because there is, I mean itsounds like, and the way that
I'm perceiving it is like whenyou look at somebody's chart,
it's almost like you know you'relooking at their sun, their
moon, they're ascending, youknow they're rising, and it's
almost like that is theblueprint, it's almost like the
crown of their head, right,that's coming through and that

(40:26):
is the blueprint.
And so, based upon your time ofbirth, your date of birth,
obviously, whatever's going onwith the planets at the time.
Time of birth, your date ofbirth, obviously, whatever's
going on with the planets at thetime is that what?
determines our karma.
Do you think that in terms yeah, okay, so can we talk about
time that we normally look at.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Like you know, obviously we don't really know
whether the nurse wrote it downon your first breath, but I mean
with it, it's only within 51.30, yeah so it's like you know, we
first breath to last breath,because obviously the first
thing we do when we come intothe spell is take a breath, and
then the last thing we do istake a breath, and actually
that's the time when we alsodisconnect from the mother as
well as when we take our firstbreath, you know.
So that's when we're likeindependent, the soul is like in

(41:14):
the, and then you know,depending on where the planets
are like, we definitely bringthrough karma from other
lifetimes as well.
You know, and so you can see,because that depends on what
house K2 is in.
So if we look at what househe's in, then we can go like, oh
okay, like it might be aboutthat.
Sometimes, like, for example,if K2 is in the fifth house,
fifth house is like children,like your children in this
lifetime.
So if k2s in the fifth house,fifth house is like children,

(41:38):
like your children in thislifetime.
So if this planet's in thathouse, like normally, if people
haven't even had kids yet, I'mthinking like, oh, that person's
gonna have two kids, gonna havea boy and a girl.
Like, if they haven't, if Idon't know anybody, someone's
gonna go like do you have a boyand a girl?
And they're like, yes, do youknow what I mean?
Like it's like that because youcan see that.
Or do you have two boys and um,but there's other things, like
if k2 is in there, which is likethe past life planet.
A lot of times it means thatyou had lots of kids already in
your previous lifetime and, uh,your dharma in this lifetime is

(42:00):
actually maybe not to havechildren and and so if you want
to have children, it's almostlike a choice.
But a lot of times when I'mfinding people that are going
through ivf, for example andthings like that as well, like
they have K2 in the fifth house.
So if you want to have,children.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
They've had children in a previous lifetime?

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah, that means like they've kind of been like had
lots of children before, um, buta lot of times if they want to
have children in this lifetime,you still can, because we have
the power of choice.
But the difference is is thatyou have to, you know, because
some people will have it there,but they've had kids anyway.
But if you look at like whenthey had them, it was actually
when the transit of k2 washappening you can actually look
during certain you know, becauseplanets sit in our chart for a

(42:42):
certain period of time and theother ones are always like
moving around.
So if you can find the windowof opportunity of like when it
is that you could pull through achild, then that's it.
But a lot of times with peoplethat have that, they're like
people of the world, likethey're like living in ashrams
or they're like you know,they're like the world's their
family and like it's veryinteresting Like you end up

(43:03):
finding like a lot of peoplelike that, or just sometimes
it's just part of like, you know, the role of having children
isn't really part of like whatthey're here for in this life,
you know.
But if they wanted to have thatexperience, they can have it.
It's just all about finding thewindow and, you know, I
definitely see lots of people onIVF, for example, who do that.
But if they can see anastrologer, a lot of times it

(43:25):
can help them a lot Because youcan go like oh, actually you
should try to do it during thiswindow of time, you know, in
this window of time you know,like I mean I don't it's not
something that I advertise to dothat, because I don't want that
pressure before to help themwho I've never been doing ivs
where.
Just try this window, like Idon't know.
Like you know you can just tryanything.
I mean like, but if you canhave a look and go like well,

(43:46):
you know what, this is actuallythe best window that you should
try, I feel like you know whynot try to line it up with you
know?

Speaker 1 (43:51):
yeah, I'm actually really curious now because I've
had my reading done and I'mobviously I don't have children,
um, and biologically I yeah,I'm just turned 46, so I'm not
really in that um arena of ofgoing through that.
But there's always this likelittle question in the back of
my mind where I'm like, will Iadopt?
Well, I've always had this ideaof being a mum, but I also

(44:14):
think it could be a mum to manysituation.
You know, like I've got verymaternal energy.
I, you know, love taking careof people and maybe I'll just
create something different.
But I'm definitely going tolook into that because, um, yeah
, that'd just be interestingjust to see if the adoption or
other options are available.

(44:35):
But, yeah, very interesting.
I didn't realize you could seeall that.
And what do you find peoplecome to you the most for for
astrology readings?
Is it because they're goingthrough a heartbreak and they
just want to know it's going tobe okay?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
People definitely do it in relationships because they
do relationship readings, orthey go like when should I be
looking if I'm going to get okay?
Like people definitely do it inrelationships because I do do
relationship readings, or theygo like when should I be looking
if I'm gonna get into one again?
Um, korea, definitely, you know.
I kind of like have um and thenand current transits is good,
because I think most people now,like you know lots of people
who've had a reading alreadydefinitely like to have another

(45:11):
one.
A lot of times when I do theirfirst initial reading, I'll
often do like I'll add on a bitof current transit stuff to go
like okay, in the next sixmonths.
Like this is probably what youshould be concentrating on,
because I can give you remediesand all that stuff as well.
Like we've got all mantras thatall the planets have mantras.
Like you know, there'sdifferent breathwork to activate
the chakra system of the body,because we're connected to the

(45:33):
planets by the chakra.
So it's about how do we alignour energy so that we can tap
into the highest value of likewhat's coming in and uh.
And I remember I had this onegirl who would like I taught her
to meditate a while ago andthen she just got this reading.
I don't really know much abouther life, but I knew she had
three kids and stuff and um, shecame into the, she was in the
room, in her room, and we weredoing this reading but like
halfway through I was tellingher about, oh, you've got like

(45:54):
Rahu in your house with thefather.
I was going like you know, it'slike um.
I said it looks like he leftyour life when you were two.
And she's like, oh, yeah, hedid leave when I was two.
I said, but he's, I feel, toyour life probably.
I said he probably will comeback.
She's like, oh, he's trying tocome back now.
And I was like, oh, really.

(46:14):
And she's like, yeah, like he'sback in my life.
She says, but I don't, um, Iwant nothing to do with him.
And I was like why?
And she's like, oh, because heleft us and we were two.
And I said, oh, but you'veactually got this other thing
where your mom was supposed toplay birth roles in your life
she has son in her house with inthe fourth house, which is also
the house of mother.
I said like she's like that.
So she was actually supposed tobe the mother and the father,

(46:34):
cause son also represents ourfather.
And I said so she was supposedto actually play both roles in
your life.
And they said but I said yourdad's like coming back into your
life now because there's stillsomething that's not finished
actually.
So, um, you know you can't justdismiss it.
And she's going like, no, Idon't want him in my life.
He's trying to meet hisgrandchildren and all this kind
of stuff.
And I was going like how didyou think I knew that he left

(46:56):
when you were two.
And she goes yes, how did youknow that?
And I was like, well, it's here, like it's in the chart.
He wasn't supposed to be thereand your mom was supposed to
raise you and now he's supposedto come back.
I said but you can't k a lot oftimes with people's
relationships in their life,they forget that their parents
are the first relationship thatthey have and that actually
they're the ones who birthed youinto this earth and created you

(47:18):
and you chose them to be yourparents, for whatever reason.
And, um, you know, as long aswe can see them in, that we
don't have to be best friendswith them, but as long as we can
see them in a state ofconsciousness where we go like,
oh, they just did, did what, howthey knew best, and you know.
But I still love them forbringing here all.
Always think about everyonewith love, because you want to
take it into another lifetime tohave to work it out.
Yeah, and so her mother wasknocking on the door after a

(47:39):
while because we'd been like anhour and a half, nearly two
hours, like in this reading, and, um, because she needed to go
out.
But the daughter was like goaway.
I'm like you know, because wereally went deep onto this whole
thing, because she asked me alot of questions about it and
whatever.
I feel like she had a reallygood understanding and I felt
like I was breaking through, soI gave her more time and, um,
she ended up leaving, that weleft and she was happy.

(48:00):
But two days later I got anemail from the mother and the
mother said I don't know who youare, but I just had to thank
you because, um, I asked mydaughter for your email because,
like um, you know, I wasknocking on the door.
First of all, I wanted toapologize for being rude and
trying to make her stop.
She goes.
But I was looking after thekids while she was having that
reading with you and, um, Ineeded to go somewhere.

(48:21):
She goes.
But the person who went intothat room and the person that
came out of that room was acompletely different person.
She said because for the lastlike year since her father's
been back in our lives, likehe's been trying to come over to
, like, meet his grandkids he'snever met his grandchildren.
And, um, yeah, we've beentrying to do something, but she
won't have a bar of it.
She goes.
But as soon as she came out ofthat room, she told me to call

(48:42):
her father and ask him to comeover for dinner that night.
And he's already been over fordinner two nights in a row now
and he's already met hisgrandchildren.
And she said so.
I just wanted to thank you forputting our family back together
and I just really I'm just sograteful for, like, whatever you
said.
I don't even know what you said, or did I know, I don't care.
I just wanted to say thank youto you for for for doing that

(49:03):
for us yeah, so you know, I mean, it was just things like that.
sometimes, if you can have anunderstanding of like.
That's why I love that example,because I thought it gives you
a beautiful understanding of howwe need to look at what choices
we make we need to look at, youknow, things, people can change
and things can happen andsometimes things come around.
It is all about we make choices.
Our choices determine how thekarma plays out.

(49:25):
You know, had she not had thatreading, she might still not
have anything with her dadbecause she was holding onto
something that had happened whenshe was two years old.
But actually what happened whenshe was two was supposed to
happen so can I ask a question?

Speaker 1 (49:39):
so it's almost like and I please correct me on this
but it's almost like thatblueprint that we come in with.
You know that time, the planets, everything, the way it's
aligned, that's almost like whatyou're seeing is kind of I
don't know if I want to call itfate, or it's like what you're
seeing is kind of I don't knowif I want to call it fate or
it's the karma on it's, it's thefate on, you know, with the

(49:59):
Dharma.
Okay, so what is Dharma?
Just explain Dharma.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Dharma is like your life's purpose.
It is like the life that youwere meant to live, you know.
So you can definitely see theups and downs, you can see where
the challenges are coming in,you can see the time periods
when the challenges are comingin, and then you know, it's the
choices that you make thatdetermine how the karma plays
out.
Are you choosing a high valueof that planet when that's

(50:24):
transiting through that samething, or are you choosing a low
value of that planet, like youknow?
And so it's about if you knowwhat the high value and low
value is and you can go like, oh, I feel like this, I need to be
reaching for that.
But that's when, like, anintegrated practice comes in,
where, like meditation helps youtap into yourself.
So you know, when you're makingdecisions about things that are
you know, you need to have anintegrated practice.

(50:46):
It's not just one thing, likeif you meditate, you have an
astrological chart and then Iteach, you know breath work and
stuff like that as well, whichis also about aligning the
energy systems of the body aswell.
I feel like you know, I feellike if we have an integrated
practice, then you can you usewhatever modalities you need,
like to be able to, like youknow, understand your journey

(51:08):
through time.
We're just really journeyingthrough time, you know.
So it's like this beautifulthing, but it's like
understanding yourself, likefrom all aspects, like really
helps you to make betterdecisions in what you're doing
yeah, absolutely, and I feellike I know we've spoken about
this before.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
It's kind of like that macro.
I feel what you do and whatyour work is and your gifts are
is allowing people to see thatmacro level like that.
You know, even in that exampleyou just gave about that girl
with her relationship with her,you know her dad.
It's like you've allowed her tokind of see no, this is, this
is the way your mom's life wasmeant to go, this is the way

(51:47):
your dad's, he, was meant toleave.
It's this macro level, on ahuman level, we're on, we're on
the micro level, right?
So this is where the blame gameis, and like, and, and I'm, I'm
, you know, obviously beingreally aware that there are some
horrific things that someparents do and maybe that they
don't deserve to be in your life, and I know you touched on that

(52:08):
.
But it's about, even if youcan't love and honor them for
who they are, it's about havingthat gratitude for the fact that
, through them, you came to behere, and then this is where
your life begins, right.
But even in that experience,she got to understand that on a
human level, on the micro level,she was angry towards her dad.

(52:31):
She was in the human experience, the ego experience of having
this anger and he's you know heleft us all that hurt.
But I think what you did is youallowed her to see the micro
level, the overarching biggerpicture, which is this is the
way it was meant to be.
What are you going to do withthis?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
What's your choice?

Speaker 1 (52:52):
And I think this is the game of the human game or
the soul game.
It's kind of like the soulunderstands why all this is
orchestrated and I feel that'swhat you're doing is allowing
people to see that bigger soulenergy picture.
Um, but yeah, it's very hard.
I mean, I I've been stuck inthe human game for a very long

(53:15):
time only only, even though Ithought I was, I was like, yeah,
I'm so connected to source,like all the time and I totally
know what's going on, and thenyou just slip backwards
sometimes.
Well, in my experience, I youknow, I slip out of it, I slip
into the ego game and I sort ofcan feel myself going into that
blame game.
So it's like I think it's allpart of it, though, but it into
the ego game and I sort of canfeel myself going into that
blame game.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
So it's like I think it's all part of it, though, but
it's all.
When we do that, it's designedto teach us lessons.
Yeah, the difference is is likewe're really just consciousness
, having an experience through abody.
Right, we're not really when we, when we die, like we just drop

(53:57):
the body and our consciousnessactually remains, but it's
actually like how much can youraise your state of
consciousness so that you canreally have the full experience
of what is actually here?
Yeah, hell is actually reallylike the ever-repeating known of
life.
How many lifetimes have youcome back and gone around and
around and around in a circleand like yeah, and not actually
done any evolutionary processyou know I
feel like, if, like if youunderstand that you're only here
for evolution and that your jobreally is to have a good life

(54:19):
but also upgrade yourself asmuch as you can by doing
practices and doing things.
There's a reason why they'vebeen around for thousands of
years.
If you read, potentially, yogasutras or you read any of those
types of books Yogananda'sAutobiography of a yogi is a
good book if you want to starton a book, start on that book
the autobiography of a yogi.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah, it's called autobiography of yogis.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Yeah, yoga nanda is like.
His story is amazing.
You know, I reckon it's likeI've given that book to so many
people because I just feel likeit's such an amazing way on an
entry level into understanding,like, how life works and how we
just need to be connected toourselves, like we're all
connected to each other anyway,you know.

(55:01):
But it's like about how do youmake sure that I'm the best
version of myself, so that, yeah, we're all here to help and
evolve and lift each other.
You know, it's not about usagainst them and all that stuff.
Like, I think, when you see allthe things that happen, that's
why I really love astrology likeso much.
Like I feel like it's been thisthing where you, you know it's

(55:22):
never wrong.
That's what I find reallyinteresting.
Like I've never done anyone'schart Cause I have people.
Just you know they, I'm justget me through Google, cause I
was going how did you find meget me through Google?
Cause I was going like, how didyou find me?
Like, oh, I just Google and Ithink, thanks, google and um.
But it's like um, yeah, I don'tknow them.
I've never met them before inmy life.
They literally come on a screenlike this where I run, zoom and
we like do it, and there wasgoing oh my God, like I feel

(55:53):
like you know me better than Iknow myself.
You know, like, and it's justlike it's never wrong, like
that's the thing, like it's not,like I've never had one person
out of like how many hundredsthat I've done.
They've gone.
Like that's not me.
Yeah, there was a girl like wow, that's like.
That's like yeah, yeah, there'sa girl like wow, that's like
really mean you know you know, Ithink that, um, it really shows
you that the reason why I lovedoing it is because a lot of
times, people are comparingthemselves to other people all

(56:15):
the time, thinking that theyneed to be more like that person
that they like, or you knowtheir friend, for example.
But actually, when youunderstand that like, oh, these
are the energies that I broughtinto this lifetime to play with
and these are the ones that Ihave to use and upgrade and
these are the areas of my lifethat I need to maybe focus on
and make sure that I'm choosinga high value, and when these

(56:35):
particular things happen, thenyou realize like, oh, this is
who I am, I can let go of, like,any attachment to trying to be
somebody else and I can just beme and try to be the best
version of me possible, becausenow you know what to reach for
when you're feeling a certainway.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I think that's the other thing.
I think people from myexperience as well it's like who
am I being like?
Who is the essence of me andthe essence of all, each and
every single one of us, is love.
Right, we all come from thesame place, we are all one and
we are everything like we.
You know, I am everything, youare everything.

(57:15):
Um, it's just this resistance ofthe human experience and life
experiences.
I always call it the fog.
It kind of stops your lightshining because you've got this
fog in the way of like.
You know, oh, I've got to belike this person, or why don't I
have this?
Or, you know, if I only hadthis I'd be happy, and all these
kind things.
We're just surrounded by thisfog and the more work that we

(57:35):
can do to clear it, the morethat light gets to shine in my
experience.
I want to ask you I actuallyheard this the other day and I
love it and I'd just love to getyour opinion on it as well.
And it was basically I waswatching this YouTube video
video and this guy was talkingabout consciousness, right, and
he was explaining that when webreathe in, and I'm sort of

(58:00):
tapping into your Vedic kind ofyour Himalayan breath work here.
When we breathe in whateverthis is here, we call it air,
right in front of us.
But if I held my nose like thisand I didn't breathe for three
or four minutes, right, I wouldlose consciousness.
And so this guy was actuallysaying you would go unconscious

(58:23):
if you stop breathing.
So we call this thing air.
But he was saying what if it'sconsciousness?
yeah, I've never really heard itlike that before, I know, and I
just heard about it and I waslike I'm just going to throw it
out, because when we stopbreathing we go unconscious.
We cut ourself off fromconsciousness.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
What do you think about that?
The first thing we do when wecome into this world is take a
breath and the last thing we dois take our last breath, right,
yeah, and I think that that youknow that's why we actually have
, but it's coming back now with,like wim hof and people like
that as well, where we are likeconnected to the breath.
We have to understand that,like you know, different
techniques and different thingswill give you access to
different dimensions withinyourself.

(59:08):
Like that's what I was sayingas well.
When you when we're talkingabout the different deities and
stuff like that like you can sitwith a deity like I've done
these 90 minute breathworkjourneys or whatever where we
invoke a different deity, andthat deity sits with you the
whole day, like you can see itwhen you've got your eyes closed
, and stuff like that as well,you can definitely invoke states
using your breath, and peopledo it all the time and I think

(59:29):
that, you know, it's not so muchabout consciousness being the
breath, but I feel like thebreath.
Pranayama is life force energy.
So it is.
You know, it's known aspranayama.
So pranayama is life forceenergy and without it we're not
alive.
So I suppose, technically it iskind of consciousness, but we

(59:50):
need to actually fill our bodywith pranayama, with prana so,
um, you know, because prana isenergy that moves upwards and
apana is energy that movesdownwards.
So it's like, you know, it'salways about how do we?
Um, you know, if we're alive?
That's why I said as wellbefore, if we're alive and
breathing, then we have apurpose.
You know, like we're supposedto actually be here.

(01:00:12):
We've got a purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
There is a big awakening happening.
I think there are a lot ofpeople really starting to
realise like just the egoic minda lot more and starting to
recognize those patterns inthemselves and how that does
pull you down.
But I think all of like thepractices that you offer I mean

(01:00:37):
all of that I think is a massiveopportunity for people to wake
up.
You know, it's a brilliantcombination that you've got with
the astrology, with themeditation and then with the
breath work as well.
It's like the full spectrum ofhere's your, here's the door to
consciousness.
Come on in.
I've made it really easy foryou.

(01:00:57):
I feel like you know, I feellike for me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
I'm someone.
I don't teach something untilI've kind of done it myself, and
then I realized, like you know,a lot of times I go and do a
practice or I do something and Ithink like, wow, this is
actually really good, like thiswould be good to teach people.
And you know what's happeningin humanity right now.
You can see, even like, forexample, on March 30th is when
we have six planets lining up ina row in one particular sign.

(01:01:22):
It hasn't happened for a reallylong time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
What does that mean?
What's going to happen to us?

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
we're also moving from, like you know, saturn's
changing thing as well.
He changes every two and a halfyears.
He's moving on that same daythat there's actually an eclipse
.
Um, it just means that there'slike going to be some shift,
like you can see at the moment,in humanity.
Like the first shift reallyhappened when all the planets
were on one side in 2020, april.
What happened, covid?
Do you mean like so?
It was like that was somethingthat like affected humanity.

(01:01:48):
I remember looking at that.
We were looking at that as um,when we were studying stuff,
like going like, oh, something'sgonna happen around that time.
I wonder what it's gonna be.
And I remember, like if we werekind of into covid and going
like, oh, this is what it is.
But because we knew it wassomething that was happening in
a current transit that was goingto affect the world, it wasn't
going to be something that'slike just in the country, it was
actually like affecting theworld.
So that was the first like kindof awakening event.

(01:02:11):
You know that kind of likestarts to happen.
But that was where it reallylike showed people, like it
showed to me.
It showed people's state ofconsciousness, do you?
know what I mean, like it reallyshowed you, like how you
responded or reacted to thatparticular situation.
And, um, and I kind of lookedat it with fascination because
I'd already seen from theastrological point of view, I

(01:02:32):
was kind of looking at goinglike, oh okay, like you know,
that's what's happening and Ijust made myself available to do
like group meditation.
I did group meditation everynight and you know all that kind
of stuff as well, just to tryto help people, you know,
navigate that.
And then this is like anothershift that's kind of happening
now, where I feel like, if youlook at, you know, american

(01:02:53):
politics is like a really goodexample of like you know,
because a lot of times theconsciousness state of the
country is like by the leader.
So you look at the leader andthat's the consciousness state
of the country, and I know thatpeople in america go like, oh,
my god, you can't say that.
But actually, if you forgetabout Donald Trump, the person,
you know what he's done and whohe is like, forget about the

(01:03:14):
person.
You need to look at the energyof like what he's actually doing
, like he's going in and likehe's almost like causing sort of
sussy in the world.
He is shaking that place up, butactually what he's doing is is
like bringing things to light sothat they can be deleted or so
that we can understand them,which is why he's released the
JFK files.
And while he's done that, likethey've been hidden for so long.

(01:03:34):
But why?
Why can't we just know whathappened Do?
you know what I mean.
Like as humanity, like we'reall humans, like it's all part
of it, affected our wholereality, like we still make
movies about it and we still dowhatever Like, why can't we just
know, like, what happened andit's?
like that with fascinating, witheverything you know, like I
just think that forget about theperson.
Like we can't look at theperson, like that's, we've got

(01:03:54):
to look at the energetic thing,or maybe just look at even how
it's affecting humanity, whereit is.
Like it's causing us to look atall parts of our lives.
It's causing us as individuals,but it's causing countries to
look at each other.
It's causing like everyone,like who else was going to come
in there and be an agitator todo that?
If you, the whole world's basedon maintenance, creation,
destruction.
If we don't have, if we stay inmaintenance, creation never

(01:04:17):
happens at a maintenance, itonly happens after destruction,
the same way that a fire goesthrough a forest and the pods
open, because they only openwhen there's like certain amount
of heat and they haven't openedfor 20 years or whatever it is.
You know what I mean.
So nature's built on that too,and so is whatever's happening
right now, and so I think thathumanity is going through a big
turning point.
I feel like a lot of thereadings that I do for people

(01:04:40):
lately, like you asked me, itjust kind of came to me and was
that?
You know, people come to mesaying like I feel saying, like
I feel lost that's probably thetheme of the last two months
like everyone goes, like I don'tknow what's wrong with me.
I'm here because I'm here withto see, because I feel lost,
because everyone knows, and Ifeel like the energy that's
coming into the planet now isactually waking people up.

(01:05:01):
Like people are definitelywaking up and their um, their
consciousness states risingwithout them even really having
to meditate or do stuff.
But then they started to getdrawn towards like oh, I need to
meditate or I need to dosomething, and and they know
that they're.
It's almost like they also knowthat they have a purpose as
well.
Right, so they go.
Well, I feel a bit lost.
So I don't really know exactlywhat I'm supposed to be doing.

(01:05:22):
Like, I don't really like whatI'm doing.
I feel like I need to do this,but they're also scared to go
take the leap.
So that's what's like we'lllearn to meditate.
It helps you tap into yourinner bliss state.
Do some integrated practice likedo this breath work?
You know, I I give themremedies as well.
Like to try to help themnavigate through that period,
and I think that you know that'sdefinitely that's what's
happening.
We're waking up as humanity.

(01:05:43):
I think you will find I youknow it'd be good to look back
on this later on in time,because I really feel like if we
fast forward like 10 years intime and we see where humanity
ends up with, like you know,whatever we'll probably look
back on the Donald Trump yearsand go like, actually we needed
him to do that.
We might not like what herepresented as a person, but

(01:06:04):
actually what he did to agitatethe world, to help us, like you
know, to cause new creation thatmight happen after he leaves
it's almost like he's come in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
He's just pulling the root, the weeds up, but by the
roots this time, and just like.
What's this one for?

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
like, oh, you've been doing that for like that, so
like we're not dead anymore,chuck it away.
You know, if you, it's neverabout other, and if you upgrade
your own consciousness state andyou just worry about yourself
and you do that, you couldalways navigate any challenges
with ease.
That's actually the secret tolife, actually you say that
again if you upgrade your ownconsciousness state, so you do

(01:06:38):
the practices and you do whatyou need to do.
It helps you understand, likeeverything that ever happens in
life, and by you doing that aswell, it's sending a ripple out
into the world as well.
Like you, know, it's you knowyou're starting to affect.
Imagine the's sending a rippleout into the world as well, like
you know it's.
You know you're starting toaffect.
Imagine the people that youcome into into contact with,
like during your life.
Like you, lead by example, youupgrade your consciousness state
and it starts to have a rippleeffect through your family and

(01:06:59):
through your friends and through, like whatever.
And then more people learn tomeditate and more people learn
to connect with themselves, likethat's what it's supposed to.
That's what it's supposed to,that's what it's designed to do.
You know like.
So I feel like I feel, likethese planetary shifts that are
happening now are going to causethat to happen faster.
Yeah, and you know, it's likepeople are wanting community
again.
I feel like after covid, whencovid happened, everyone went

(01:07:20):
online and everything was doneonline and everyone was happy to
do everything online, whereasnow I'm finding there's been a
shift, especially this year andthe end of last year people are
like wanting community again,where they want to come together
because, like now, they realizelike I'm just online all the
time, I'm always swiping, or I'mworking from home or I'm doing
whatever, and now they want likeconnection, because we are
energetic beings and we need tohave contact with each other to

(01:07:44):
be able to, you know, live agood life there's so much there,
jeff um.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
No, I knew it was going to be a big one, don't you
worry, I'm like he's got a lotof wisdom, a lot of wisdom in
there.
You talked about individually,us raising our own individual
consciousness and from therethat being the ripple effect and
that's all we right.
So if we're watching the newsor if we're consuming, you know,
violent, whatever it's kind oflike, what would you say?

(01:08:14):
What advice would you give topeople to work on themselves and
to raise their ownconsciousness?

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
You're not going to raise your consciousness state
just by looking at a candle or,you know, doing guided
meditations.
You're going to do it by havinga mantra based technique which
takes you inward and being ableto connect into yourself.
And I'm not saying there'sanything wrong with those other
techniques, like they definitelyhave a purpose and a time.
And it's great to becontemplative and it's good to
do guided meditations and stuff,but I think that you know the
baseline of what everyone needsto have before they do even

(01:08:44):
breath work, and you know allthat kind of stuff as well.
Like, if you have a meditationtechnique, it's like the
foundation of everything.
If you can bookend your daywith, like, meditation in the
morning, meditation in theafternoon or evening, then
whatever happens in betweenthose times, it ends up becoming
the one constant thing in yourlife.
That never changes.
Right?
Our life is random and we'realways having different

(01:09:06):
experiences, different events.
We think that we control ourlives but all it takes is like
we walk across the road and gethit by a bike or like you know,
and it changes our whole day,kind of thing.
We don't know what's going tohappen.
We think we know what's goingto happen, but we actually don't
know what's going to happen.
All we're doing is living inthe now.
But it's like if we can bookendour day with going from active
thinking mind down to that placeof transcendence and tapping

(01:09:29):
into that inner bliss state andreleasing stress in the nervous
system and that stuff thatdoesn't change.
That's what really helps us,like, stay grounded, stay
centered, stay, you know.
You know we start acting out,we start activating our inner
intuition, our third eye, andlike that's really powerful
practice.
And I think that if you startwith that baseline and then you

(01:09:50):
start, you know, adding on otherintegrated practices at
different times when you want to, you know, and sometimes I wake
up in the morning and I'vemeditated and I think I don't
want to do that breath worktoday.
But you know, when I go, likeno, I'm just going to sit down
and do it, and you know it makesme, it aligns me and it makes
me feel better and I think likethank God I did that.
But there was a big voice in myhead trying to make me not do
it.
Go have a coffee.
Why don't you just go for awalk instead?

(01:10:11):
Like you know, it's like allthose things and it's just like,
no, I'm going to actuallyconnect into myself more deeper,
you know, like, and I thinkthat if we understand that, that
we're in here for evolution,that if we can just upgrade
ourselves, we don't evenunderstand how much joy, how
much bliss, we stopped lookingexternally for anything to make

(01:10:33):
us happy, because we're alreadyhappy, and then anything that
externally that makes us happyjust makes us more happy.
And yeah, and I think thatthat's it's the secret to life.
Actually, it is the secret tolife If we understand that we
can just upgrade our you know umset of consciousness.
It's not supposed to all besunshine and rainbows.

(01:10:53):
Everything is supposed to,everything is designed to push
us, to make us better.
You know, make us just actuallyall it is is a journey of
self-discovery.
It's like how do we discovermore about ourselves, how do we
discover more about what makesus tick like, what makes me
happy, what makes you happy,like you know that stuff?
How do we live in alignmentwith, like um, our dharma and

(01:11:14):
you know, and have just the bestpossible life that we can have?
We're always going to havechallenges, because once we hit
certain points, to actually getto the next point, you have to
have you know.
I asked anon once about you knowgoing, like oh, is that, is
there ever an end?
Because you know he's obviouslysomeone who's done like a lot
of work.
He's like no, that's thebeautiful thing about
consciousness, it doesn't everstop, it's just continually
evolving.
He goes.
But it's like if you're drivinga car, if you think about

(01:11:36):
driving a car, like it startsgoing up and you do whatever,
but every now and then you needto pull over on the side of the
road to have a little break.
You know like and then, andthen you pull back out again and
you like keep going, you know,and you keep pulling in.
And I thought it was like areally beautiful analogy,
because sometimes we do feellike you know, like even said
before about not meditatinganymore, or you know, you stop
for a while, you know it's likethat same thing.

(01:11:58):
We kind of get to that point ofthinking like, oh yeah, like
I'm here, like I've got it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
I don't, I need to get back on the wagon, yeah, and
then you're like I feel lost, Ifeel stuck, I feel like, what's
going on?

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
and then, yeah, just come back to the practice.
Whenever anything happens, youstart looking at it from a
different perspective, becauseyou go what am I supposed to be
learning from this?
Not like, why is this happeningto me?

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
it's like what am I supposed?

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
to actually learn about myself from this?
That's the question thatchanges inside your mind.
Yeah, this is happening to mebecause it's trying to teach me
something about myself or aboutwhat I do, and it's not about
being a victim, because we'renever a victim, actually.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I can just add a personal, just a touch to that
and just kind of say, like in my, you know, because of my Dharma
and you know all the thingsthat I've been through, you know
, because of my dharma and youknow all the things that I've
been through, you know I've hada really interesting
relationship with the masculineover the years.
You know, my dad died when Iwas young, my mom remarried he
wasn't like the greatest sort ofstepfather and then you know,

(01:13:02):
that kind of led me to seekinglove and validation and stuff
you know, from men and so Iwould attract in, you know, very
narcissistic people.
It was like a co-creation,right, I was an empath and I was
the people pleaser and theywere drawn to it.
But for years, it's like whenevery relationship would end, I
would just be like why does thiskeep happening to me?

(01:13:23):
Like what am I doing wrong?
Like what's wrong with me?
You know, and I was in thatvictim mindset and I actually
like realized and this isobviously said by doing a lot of
work on this stuff but I cannow look back on every single
one of those men who was in mylife, even though some of them I
allowed them to do, you know,really hurt me.

(01:13:44):
I can actually look back on allof them and just say thank you
so much because my journey wasabout recognizing my own power,
my own self-worth.
Not finding it, it's alreadywithin us, but it was like my
massive journey, I think hasactually been loving myself so
much that those kind of peopledon't even get near me now.

(01:14:06):
But it's taken me to 46 to getthere.
I've had a few pullovers onthat road.
I've stopped for petrol andPepsi Max on the way, and you
know, polluted my body.
But, yeah, that's the so Itotally can see.
Now from being older andlooking back, I can see the

(01:14:29):
macro journey of my life, theumbrella of my life, and one of
the things that I, one of thequests and the journeys that
I've been on, has been torecognize that I am worthy and I
am love and I am enough.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
And I have a question for you then, would you change
any of that?

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
No, not one thing.
Exactly, not one thing, eventhough at times it's been scary.
You know it's been scary andI've been to some dark places.
I would not change a thing, butI've been lucky, I've been
blessed, like people have landedin my path who've been like,
hey, what about this, hey, whatabout this, hey, what about this

(01:15:08):
, hey, what about meditation?
You know, and that's been aseries of choices that I've made
as well.
Um, but yeah, sometimes withresistance, sometimes it's it's
taken me longer than others, Ithink in some way, because
there's been so much resistanceto it.
And now I understand thatresistance is just ego and I'm
not my ego.
Um, I'm starting to makedecisions a lot faster, like

(01:15:32):
choices a lot faster, feelinginto it, you know, being more
present, more conscious with mydecisions.
So, yeah it's a big old journey,jeff, isn't it, my goodness?

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
but it's part of the fun, is like I know yeah, in
sanskrit there's a word calledlila, which means the play of
life.
You know, we're, we're justactually actors on a stage.
You know we're all playing ourpart in the play of life, like
we're all just on a stage, likeplaying our character, you know,
and it's like a beautiful wayto like think about it.

(01:16:03):
You know, we're just likehaving this beautiful experience
through a body.
That's why I feel like, youknow, if we can look at life
with wonder and awe and go like,wow, I'm alive, I'm like in a
body, then it's like, then weunderstand when they say your
body is your temple, becauseactually it is the temple that
houses your consciousness.
Because without the body wedon't even the consciousness
hasn't got anywhere to go and wecan't actually have.

(01:16:24):
We're a five sensory being andwe can't actually have.
We're a five sensory being.
And another thing that I thinkabout, that I remember my
teacher said one time, was goinglike we don't even realize that
we live in a world that's likemagic.
Like you know, we get a seedfrom a tree, we plant it in the
ground, we water it, it grows,it produces mangoes and then we
eat this juicy mango.
Like it's just like magic froma seed that was like this big,

(01:16:46):
that grew on the ground we take.
Just like magic from a seedthat was like this big, that
grew on the ground.
We take it for granted that aseed goes in the ground and
produces fruit, but we forgetthat, like when you can look at
life with the wonder of life andthink like, oh, I can plant
this seed in the ground and it'sgoing to give me like a mango,
you know, like a juicy, juicymango, but not once, like for a
really long time.

(01:17:06):
Yeah, you know, and so it's likereally beautiful when you start
looking at life to realize like, oh, it's all just perfectly
designed, like nature's alwayspushing us where we need to go,
if we can tune into ourselves.
And you know, really, uhunderstand that it's all just
part of the the road that we'reon.
And yeah, you know it's aboutmaking the right choices and
then using tools that we have,like astrology.

(01:17:26):
You know it's about making theright choices and then using
tools that we have likeastrology and like breath work
and coaching and, like you know,all those different things
where we tap into people whohave like done a lot of the work
to help us navigate it all witha bit more grace and ease.
And that's what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Yeah, it's gorgeous.
Where can people find you andwhat have you got coming up?

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Well, I'll give you some exclusives, because some
stuff just happened yesterday.
So I teach Vedic meditation inin Clevella at the moment, but
I'm also about to start inSydney.
In Sydney.
Yeah, sorry, and then.
So it'll be like then moving itto Paddington, which is also
like in Sydney.
There's going to be like a oldchurch which I'm going to

(01:18:10):
actually start teaching, whichwill be really nice.
I'll start that after Easterand then I'll also be running
like a 90 minute Himalayanbreath work journey there as
well, like on Sundays as well,which will be really good the
first Sunday of every month.
And then I also teach inNewcastle, in New South Wales,
as well.
So, like I teach that the lastweekend of every month, I teach
Vedic meditation there.
And then also I do normally tworetreats every year.

(01:18:33):
So I do an India retreat, whichis coming up in October.
This year.
I'm going to go to Bhajanath,which is, like you know, there's
a temple up there which mostpeople go to.
I'm just going to take a smallgroup of people there to that
one, because I'm going going tocreate I've created this new
retreat that I'm starting injanuary next year and, um, it's
actually going to be based onastrology, so it's about going
to the different temples of theplanets and things like that as

(01:18:55):
well, and um, so that will begetting put up on my website
soon.
To do that.
I teach breath work everysunday at body by burner in
north bondi.
I also like this weekend, forexample, I'm doing an event in
Newcastle, so I'm kind of alwaysaround, like you know, doing
stuff.
If people follow me onInstagram or um, go on my
website, you'll normally alwayssee like where I am.

(01:19:15):
I'm someone that I just try tolike spread, spread the love
like to wherever.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
I can kind of get to.
And if you want astrologyreadings, I do them online, so I
did them from all over theworld already, so you can just
book a session through mywebsite and yeah, amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
And what is your website?
Where can we find you?
Jeff Rupp, just wwwjeffruppcomis my website.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Amazing, Jeff.
I feel like we could talk foranother hour and a half.
There's so much here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
We're not the Joe Rogan podcast yet.
No, we're not the Joe Rogan,we're not that Joe Rogan podcast
.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
No, we're not the Joe Rogan, we're not that.
So, um, but I will definitelybring you back on.
There's so many more questionsthat I've got, but thank you so
much for coming on today.
It's so lovely to see you and,um, yeah, just hear more about
your journey and where you're at, and you know, and thank you
again.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Just appreciate you and and want to thank you so
much for being here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Yeah, thank you for having me.
It's been a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
I love it.
I love that our journeys havekind of like crossed over again
like in a different way.
It's like so beautiful yeahalways thank you for you too,
thank you for all that you'redoing as well yeah, you're so
welcome and I will see you verysoon see you soon, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
All right, lots of love.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
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