300 Episodes: Lessons in Leadership and Personal Growth

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Ty Cobb Backer (00:00):
Welcome back, everybody to Beyond the Tool
Belt, episode 300.
I'm your host, Ty Cobb-Backer,and thank you for joining us on
this Wednesday edition.
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Please welcome your host ofBehind the Tool Belt, ty
Cobb-Backer.

Hey, hey, hey.
Welcome back everybody toBehind the Tool Belt belt.
Today is officially episode 300, 300 episodes.
Wow, I know it's crazy, it is,it is.
It's crazy, you know.
And what's even crazier aboutall this is oh man, we've done

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so many podcasts we haven't evencounted.

Chris Markey (01:25):
Now Wait, that 300 doesn't include.
That's not all of them.

That's not all of them.
Now, this is our weekly.
The 300 is weekly.

Weekly.
You're not counting when youwere at shows.
Yes, exactly Craziness draggingthe whole set around.

Across the country, all over the place and
interviewing tons of people,great, great conversations
across the country.
I mean just and and here andour guest, you know that have
that have came on here and andyou know, we, we started the
show.
It was it was just an idea andit was a way for us to promote

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our charity events, to sharewhat we are learning about
roofing, construction,leadership and life.
And now here we are at episode300.
300 episodes later, withlisteners from all over the
country and shit, probably somepeople all over the world

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Incredible guest, some peopleyou know, all over the world
incredible guest.
A community that has grownbigger than I would have ever
imagined.
You know, this show has neverit's never been about roofs or
roofing.
I mean, we did, we used topromote, you know, we'd have
gutter week and stuff like thatwhen we were running out of
content and, uh, it started totake hold and things were

(02:46):
different algorithms, the reachwas a lot further and we could
reach a lot more people and it'salways been organic and you
know it's always been aboutpeople, the people you know.
A couple, few years ago westarted to pivot more into, you
know, personal development andleadership and building teams,
building communities and and, uh, that's, that's what we talk

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about today mostly, and not notjust building roofs, but, you
know, building people and youknow, today, today, you know,
man, I can't, I can't evenbelieve how, how consistent you
know we've been with this and itgoes back to, you know, the
Shane to Gary days.

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Chris, you were, you were there.

Yeah, I was like show five or something in
Shane's basement and it wasearly.

Yeah, it was early.

That's what we talked about.
Sports, well, yeah, and how it.
Coaching, yeah, but it's been.
It's been a lot.
It's it's been a lot, it's funto watch.
It's become part of myrepertoire.
I just told you earlier thatdriving around listening to
things, some of the nonsensethat goes on, other stuff, it's

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kind of nice to have somethingto be able to reflect on that's
a little more local or has alittle more feel, that is
directly, um, that I'm.
It's more intentional to me.

Yeah, not only because I was there with you,
but you know you guys arefriends and our businesses kind
of have yeah, grown togetheryeah and, uh, you know so it it
has a little more, and I'm moreintentional about watching it
and listening to it yeah, andit's funny you talk about
intentionality, because I thinkI feel like we've gotten a lot

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more intentional about ourtopics and stuff and there were
some episodes where it was alljust a bunch of grab ass and and
I think a lot of that was justbecause we were running out of
content, you know, and things totalk about.
And I think we were running outof content, you know, and
things to talk about and I thinkwe were afraid to repeat things
and stuff like that.
And the more that I've doveinto this and of course it has

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helped build me tremendously, ithas turned me into, helped me
become a better listener, abetter interviewer, better
father, better parent, betterbetter partner husband you know
from from a lot of our guests,you know, and, chris, you played
a huge part in all that stuffthat I just mentioned too
because of our, you know, we'rewe're not we're not

(05:14):
communicating as as much as aswe used to, but a daily there
used to be a daily.
We'd exchange books, you know,titles and authors and things
like that and that have helpedme grow and I I talk about those
books a lot on here still, Istill and I still read them like
a yearly thing.
You know, the john gordon booksand, uh, the patrick lencionis

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and, and I mean the list justgoes on and on and on and and,
because of me wanting to bebetter, a better podcaster it is
.
It has forced me and pushed me,you know, to to study more, to
learn, to, to continue to keeplearning and and push myself and
, and usually today, anyhow,when we do a podcast, it's

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usually right where I'm at, whatam I learning, what am I
studying right now?
What have what have I, you know, discovered?
And I want to, I get excitedabout wanting to share that with
people.
And it is also, I believe,helped, you know, concrete and
galvanize our culture here at TCBacker and Brian said to me the
other day.
Brian Good said he must havetold Lee Lee manages our

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Greenville location.
If you ever want to know whereTy is in his head and what he's
going through, just listen toone of his podcasts.
And it's cool that our teammembers have jumped on this
train and really helped push usand promote this thing and they
were our biggest viewers andstill are today our biggest fans

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a lot of the people in thisbuilding today and since we've
started this we've opened upmultiple locations and now those
, the reach and and I hope notnot just for our team, you know,
but but for anybody listeningto this I'm hoping that we're
we're making an impact onsomebody's life and, like you
said, chris, it's.
You know the reminders and Idon't, I don't mind repeating

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myself.
You know certain taglines oryou know comments week after
week, because I know for me whenI'm listening or reading.
You know, especially thepodcast.
If I'm listening to somebodyand it could be Ed Milet, it
could be Pedro Koolian, it couldbe, it could be anybody and
I've noticed by listening tothem and me trying to take up

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some of their technique andcreate my own technique too.
So I'm studying other otherpodcasters, other speakers, and
and and how.
But more importantly, my pointwas is that they, they, they
tend to repeat themselves.
They'll say things week, weekover week, and, and maybe not
every week, but I'm gratefulthat they did because I'm I

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could have been doing something,I could have been distracted.
I didn't understand what itmeant the first time that I
heard it.
So I don't get so hemmed up onon repeating myself, especially
if it's something that I reallywant to emphasize or if it.
It falls along the lines of myprinciples and my values.

You know that goes for books too.
So like your car, right.
So you know, I haven't listenedto this book a while and you
can kind of go through eachchapter and then you get the one
and you're like, hold on asecond, let me go back, let me
listen to that one again.
Yes, you know I do that, I doit a ton and the, but it's great
to have those resources to goback to.

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I think I think for all of us'sum, it's a change.
I think the last time I washere we talked about the change
in in in our business and us,you.
You moved into a new building.
I moved into a new building.
There was processes andprocedures.
How are we going to do this?
And then it comes to this firsttime in my new building where I

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thought we're finally going, oryou're like we're finally going
and tears hit, or the marketkind of changes, yeah, or
something like that.

Covid, well for you, yeah you in here no, yeah,
but we had purchased it.

I think I'm pretty sure we had purchased it I was
in my building in uh, 20 januaryof 22, so it was kind of aft
still.
But I think, like now, everytime I come in here it's always
at a different part, like I'vehad to reevaluate my role
because if we do things right,the other people are going to do

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that, and then you're lookingat the vision or the health of
the company or whatever.
It still hurts me when we loseclients, of course, you know,
and it still hurts me.
Like you know, I'm happy whenwe get one back or there's
something new to keep youexcited, but you know it still
hurts.
It changes, like the readingsand all that stuff kind of

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changed.
You just might go back to them.

Yeah Well, and that's why there are certain
books that I read yearly.
I'll read it again this year,right, and there's been books,
especially those books that Iread on a yearly basis.
I'll read them again rightafterwards.
I'll either listen to it, readit.
I always buy a hard copy, doyou really.

(10:07):
Yeah, yeah, just about everybook that I've ever purchased on
, you know, through Apple booksor whatever.
I also purchased a hard copy ofit too, because, especially if
it's something that I need tostudy and right now I'm going
through two books right now.
One's a John Maxwell book andanother one is by Philip Hum.
Now you can't listen to him.

(10:27):
No, I don't think any of hisstuff is is online for you to be
able to listen to, but I'm okaywith that too, and I got
post-it notes in it and and it'sit's about storytelling.
You know, learning how to, youknow speak better, but using
stories, you know, to defineyour, to define your message,
yes, yes, to define my messageand stuff like that.

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And and I found that and littledid I know I already did that.
I caught myself a few timeslike I I tell stories to get
people to relate or to listenbetter or so they can understand
the message that you know I I'mtrying to to relay to them.
Um, but I'm being moreintentional about it, and it's
funny how you can take so manyof life lessons, the in my

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personal life.
Like I shared, um, somethingwith the team the other day.
It was something that Jana andI got to experience together and
she asked me what do you thinkof it?
Do you feel?
And my first instinct was tosay that this sucks because it
was something different.
It was change, and I don't likechange, whether it's good or

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whether it's bad.
Most of us, all of us, don't,whether you've identified that
or not, but nobody likes change.
So my first instinct and Ialmost said it this sucks.
But I didn't.
I said to her I was like it'sdifferent, and she kind of
looked at me, not confused, butmore of a like okay, that's fair

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, you know, look, I didn't one,I didn't take the wind out of
her sails.
So my point is I'm trying to bemore intentional with how I
think and the words that I use.

Okay, what's that book?
And I think we've read it.
They're in one of the booksthat we talk about.
He talks about and it might'vebeen Greg Groshel, but when they
walk up, when one of youremployees walks up to you to
show them, even if you have noclue what's coming, to show them
that you care.

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It's well, what would you do orhow would you handle this
situation first?
Yeah, and you know.

Craig Grishel.

Craig Grishel.

Yeah.

Yeah, he says that all the time.
All the time they walk up allthe time when they walk up to
you.
You decide yeah, he says thatall the time, all the time they
walk up all the time when theywalk up to you.

You decide If they come to you with a problem
or a situation or something thatthey are asking you, because
we've conditioned people to gothrough us for everything.
Okay, in the beginning.

We've never conditioned them to use their
Think on their own Right yeah.
So now they're going to thinkabout.
So now, if you continue to askthat question, his point is
they'll constantly walk up toyou ready to give you an answer.

Yes, Okay, yes.

And it allows you time to pause.
Yeah, you know what?

I mean yeah.

So it's, it's something back to what you've
been talking about.
It's something I try to do.
More now, more now, yeah.
Or the other one is you know,uh, where are we at in this
situation?
Yeah, and hearing if two peoplewalk up to you, say this is
going on and you say where arewe at in a situation, and one

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describes it, the other one willadd on to it, so you get the
full picture.

Really crazy, yeah, but just and you know, uh,
you know, and you can't developthat skill one year into
ownership, one year into amanagement position.
These are things that come intime yeah you know, when people
ask, like, are there bornleaders?
I I don't know if the answer isactually yes, you know.

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I mean, I'm not saying that youcan't be born with certain
qualities, but until you gainthe experience, do you?
I have arrived, I'm entitled,you know, I don't have to work
as hard, you know, and there are, and then the selfishness part

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of that, okay, but the truemeaning, okay is, is that this
is no longer about you.
This is never this.
You know when you, if you'regoing to be a good leader, a
true leader, this is.
This is no longer.
Now you're not killing what youeat anymore, right, okay, you're

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relying on a team to kill foryou to eat yeah okay, and if you
can make that pivot, changeyour mindset okay and realize
that it's because of everyoneelse and I need to provide the
resources, the tools, theattitude, the momentum to keep

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it on the rails.
And it can be the mostrewarding job there ever was.
It can be the most loneliestjob that there ever was.

So let me add to that, go for it, because that's
really deep what you just talkedabout.
But let me just add to that, ina situation that's happening
For my daughter, 16-year-oldgirl, plays on a field hockey
team, starts, does very well, um, yesterday her coach is a, I'm
gonna say, younger, but thecoach is in a frustrating

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situation because the team thatshe counted on now has some
injuries, right.
So that situation for me, um,and I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do
me now, not me two or threeyears ago, yeah, but me now.
That situation for me, um and,by the way, my wife would say,

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no, way, she doesn't believe athing I say.
But the situation to me.
I would look at it and go, okay, great, now I have to play some
younger players that would beput in a spot that had never
been put in before.
Okay, so I can't go in and go.
Woe is me.
You know what I mean.
Like it's gotta be.

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Hey, listen, when the back'sagainst the wall, right, this is
when you're going to do yourbest work.
I'm going to help you because Ihave to be a stronger leader
for you.
You're just going to have to doyour best and you're going to
have to learn on the fly.
We're going to have some thingsthat will be hard in this
situation.
Instead, it's.

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I can't believe.
I'm so upset you guys aren'tplaying hard.
Well, that's not going to getthem to do any better.

Yeah.

Right, no, it's not.
So, looking at the situation,right, like you just said, you
look at the situation andwhether you ask a question up
front or you step back and go,okay, a bunch of young people,
they've never been in wartogether yeah, right.
So you're asking a freshman nowto go play, right, you can

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challenge that person, but youcan't walk in and be like, what
are you doing?
They're going to be like I'venever been here before and
you're like, oh yeah, that'sright, you're right, mm-hmm,
right.
So now at my shop, what I tryto do is there's some things

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that's easier for them to watchme do.
So if I'm calling Ty, I justwanted to give you a call out A
couple of things going on.
First of all, I reallyappreciate the order.
I have a couple of concernsthat are going to be a real big
challenge for us and then godown that road.
So I do that in front of thosein the industry that are younger
.
So now I have less and less ofme picking up the phone.

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So now I'll ask the questiondid you pick up the phone?
Did you talk to them on thephone?
Yeah, because how you sent thatthrough that email or whatever
is different than if I call Ty.
He's going to get the vibe ofhow I feel or what this is.
He's going to know, if I right.
So all of these things that youjust talked about getting the
information, listening to it.

And then you're not born with that confidence to
pick that phone up.
That is a skill that you've hadto learn and develop over time
to grow the courage to pick thatphone up.

Well it, for some it's easier than others.
Yeah, to grow the courage topick that phone up.

For some it's easier than others.
Can we say that?
Can we agree on that?

It doesn't scare my son, garrison, to pick up the
phone, but the two insidepeople that work with Garrison,
it's a challenge.
Oh, what if they say thisSometimes that phone is really
heavy.
Very.
It's like picking a thousandpounds off the floor and going
up the depths, especially whenyou know and I know you've had
these situations where you'vehad to make the hard call yeah.

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And those are times where I sayto the sales reps for the
department, or even for someonelike me, I'll make that call,
yeah, they might scream and yelland I'll never use you again.
You know, and you know we, wehave a client that we're going
to lose here and that won't comeback this year, because the

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situations that happened lastyear can't fix it, but we can
change it, we can learn from it.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
And we're not going to die fromit.
I think that's the first thing,ty everybody thinks.

Oh my God, yeah, what's going to happen?

Yeah everybody thinks, oh my God, what's going
to?

happen.
Hey, listen, we'll be here nextyear.
Yeah, right, yeah, and itactually makes you better that
in the errors and the mistakesor losses is is where the you
know I always say the SOPs getdeveloped.
Yeah, you know, that's whereyou know you find the gaps and
deficiencies and, unfortunately,through pain comes growth.
So, yes, there will be a littlebit of pain, but you are going

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to be so much better because ofthat pain.

Let me tell you another story at my office.
So we implemented where, if youwant to build a store, like you
have a corporate store, youwant to build a store, we go in
and we put it on.
Me and my son built thisplatform.
You put all the information in,it goes to the coordinator.
The coordinator then dispersesit to the person that builds the
store and it also goes on thesales reps so they know
everything where it's going,who's working on it all that.

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We wanted to do that for harder.
Well, the people in the officecame back to me and said love
the store one.
And we understand that you'retrying to make this easy.
This isn't going to work forthis one, and you know what.
I believe them becauseeverything they told me with the
first store was absolutely spoton telling me the changes, they

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told me how it should be set up, told me what to make, what to
do with it, how it's going tohelp them.
Now some people still don'tlike the type they expect to
just send an email and somebodyelse decipher it Right, and that
can't be like that.

No.

So you know, that's where our trust and
belief in them.
I've seen it in you a lot, ty,and maybe those that work for
you.
They probably understand it,but they see it from a different
world about you.
Yeah, like I see, like you tellme Exactly For them.

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You don't tell, we don't wantto tell them they should.
It's an understanding right,but to me so it's um, that's
another thing.
People think, like there'speople out there that think
you're a jerk.
They're never met yeah, rightfor sure.
I've had people I'm friends withnow 25, 25 years, and they're
like man, I used to think youwere the biggest jerk, you know.
Yeah, but that's because we tryto be more intentional.

Of course, right , yeah and no, and I like that
to get to get back to that.
You know, the coach and and theyounger players moving up
through.
So what?
What I was alluding to withthat?
That situation Jana and I weredoing.
It was a wonderful situationthat we were in, but why I chose

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to use the word different wasbecause one I didn't want to
take the wind out of her sail.
So I got to be very intentionalwith the words that I use when
I'm trying to articulate amessage to somebody or vibe.
Just, I don't want to ruin thevibe this is a good vibe here,
like it should be, and I know itshould be but I wanted to say
it sucked, okay, so that's,that's huge.

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Words can impact other peoplearound me, so I need to choose
my words better.
Plus, I don't want to soundchildish, like do you mean?
What do you mean?
This sucks.
It sounds like 12 year old layon the ground and yeah, right,
right, um.
But more importantly was formyself, because if I would have

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just went right to this sucks,then I barricaded myself to
actually see the potential thatthis could have.
Right I, I I'd already shutmyself off by saying this sucks,
because now I got to hold upthis persona of like, yeah, I'm
pissed, I'm upset, I'mfrustrated.
And how long am I going to ridethat out?

Well, there's no army with you in that one.

So, but I gave myself theopportunity and later on she
asked me too she's like what doyou think now?
And I was still.
I was still, but my enthusiasm,my enthusiasm was a little bit
different that time when I saidit's different, but did your
mind change too?
Yes, so it really did.
I could start seeing thebenefits, you know, because I

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didn't say it sucked becausethen you had to defend it.

That goes back to my army thing.
You have no army with you atthat point, and then
everything's on your shoulders.

You've got to defend it.
So I was grateful.
Could I have used a better wordor feeling or emotion?
Yes, but the best I could comeup with at that time was is that
it's different, because I knowshe knows me and she thinks and
we both get each other.
So when I say it's different,that means I'm okay, I'm going
to get through this and I willsee the light at the end of the

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tunnel.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, absolutely.
So when she asked me, I waslike this is effing amazing,
right, right.
And within a short period oftime it wasn't days that went by
, we're talking hours, minutesthat had passed where I was
still open enough to like lookaround and be like that's going
to be awesome, I'm going to haveto figure it out, I'm going to

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have to study.
It looked like work at first.
That's why it was different.
It was change, different.
It was change.
And look, I was gonna have toput a little bit of work in.
God forbid, yeah, you know, um,but I was like nope, that's
gonna.
Oh, wow, I figured this out.
That does this too.
You know, like I, I kept theparadigm open.
I didn't close the door.
You know?

let me tell you what it did to me.
Just you telling me the storyright here.
What's that?
I felt the pressure when yousaid that sucks.
Yeah, I felt it.
Just you telling me the story,no doubt.

So I use that, that scenario as as a story.
Right To keep an open mind andchoose your words Right.
And I and I and I did fulltransparency.
You know vulnerability.
I wanted to be so vulnerable tomy team.
Okay, Like I'm not perfect,there was a whole bunch of crazy
shit that was going through myhead too, but because I said it

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was different, it gave us bothan opportunity.
It kept our minds open.
I didn't close my mind to thissucks.
I'm gonna take my ball and I'mgonna go home because I don't
want to put the work in.

So you had bandwidth yes, you had bandwidth
to slow the process down, right, yeah, yeah.

And to actually smell the roses, correct, you
know, like actually smell theroses here.
You know I didn't start offbeing a dick because I would
have to be a dick for the restof the day then.
Yeah, you know, it didn't ruin.

I never even thought about it like that.
Then all of a sudden, you gottabe an asshole.

I gotta be an asshole all day because I don't
like that, because I don't likeit, and then you shouldn't like
it either.
What do you mean?
You fucking like it, I don'tlike it.
You know why are you so happy?

then you're fighting your own war, totally I
thought you were on my side, noI've done that, you know, and I
don't want to be that.

So you know.
And there's other ways that Ican use different words to
sometimes to help peopleunderstand what it is the point
or the process or the directionsbetter to you know what I mean.
And getting back to the podcastdude, I don't know if I would
have learned that without thepodcast and listening to other
guests and having great peoplespeak to me and I have to listen

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to what you're saying, becauseI got to either follow up with
another question, that is,following up with what you did.
You know what I mean, so, likeI've become a better listener.

You're better interviews.
Okay, Early on in this processyou were looking for the next
question.

Yes, it's tough to still listen to what you're
saying and look for the nextquestion.

Yeah, but I think now you're better at that
question comes.
It just comes natural, it comesby itself.
Yes, okay, where you were forcefeeding.

Yes, you know?
Yeah, or I was actually writingout.
I tried writing out questionsin hopes that I could direct the
conversation.

You're not that type of person.

Yeah, direct the conversation down a rabbit hole
that I thought we should.
And sometimes I can, sometimesI have to.
That's the other thing too, youknow, when I've had dry people
on the show already and it'slike I'm pulling things out of
that.
I'm not one of them, absolutelynot Okay.

All right, I was just wondering where you were
going with that.

No, no, no no, there was a reason why I wanted
you on here and honestly, therewere, there was, there was, you
know, a couple of people, andthe more that I thought about it
, this week has gotten away fromI can't believe it's Wednesday
already.

We should have had a round table, Like me you,
Dave, you talked about that thelast time we were here, chris
Baker.

Yeah, you know, because we can't, we can't and I
never have.
Nor will I forget about ChrisBaker.
When I asked him to go to Shaneand Gary, he did not hesitate
to go in this dude's basement.

You talked about that the last time we were here.
Really, yeah, and you know whatShame on me for not being a
good friend to bring that up,because we had said one of the
good ideas was, yeah, geteverybody together and talk
about, yeah, where that's going.
No, obviously chris isn't inyour show, but I still think he
probably watches absolutely.

Yeah, I'm sure he does, you know, and he's just
, he's just 25 feet well then,he better be working, if he's
watching.
Yeah, he better be working, hebetter be learning something, um
guess what I'm getting.

A text is my phone ringing.

Yeah, she's probably blown up now, but, um,
yes, you know the yes.
But I've learned so much fromthis podcast and you know the
power of consistency is probablymy biggest takeaway.
Okay, of of staying consistent.
You know the discipline ofshowing up week after week after

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week after week, times, 300weeks in a row, no matter where
we were in the country in theworld, hospital beds, funerals,
whatever.
However, I felt the world wasagainst me, weighing, weighing
on me.
Someday still, you know, butgetting through and still
suiting up and showing up, youknow, but getting through and

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still suiting up and showing up,you know, has taught me to be
consistent, not just in businessbut in life well, isn't that
what we teach?

okay?
So let me, let me say it thisway isn't that what we try to
instill in everybody?
So um friend of mine used to gospeak at high school and he
used to to tell them getyourself an alarm clock.
That's 90% of the problem.
Yeah Right, you were talkingabout people showing up all of
that.
So there's a lot of things.

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The consistency is the alarmclock getting up doing the same
thing.
We are creatures of habit andnot the truth, Right?
So create the right habits.
And Eric Brewer, who says thatthere's another guy that talks
about, but Brewer used to saythat was initially when Eric
really started going down thatroad.
Yeah, like you, you create theright habits, right.

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Yeah, it changes like workingout, I don't want to work out.
Yeah, how many times on your 40for 40 or whatever, did you go?
I am not.

Then that's why we do that, for the
accountability purpose, tocreate those good habits, to get
rid of the bad habits andreplace them with good habits.
Okay, and after 44 days it'slike and I think some people
think there's going to be thiscomplete, 100% transformation.
I am going to be a spiritualguru.
I have lost 40 pounds, I gotabs of steel.
It just that's.
That's not going to be aspiritual guru.

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I have lost 40 pounds, I gotabs of steel.
It just that's, that's notgoing to happen in 44 days.

How quick do you think some people drop some of
that stuff right away?

Well, it's just like New Year's resolutions.
Okay, what, what's that average?
The first week people get thegym, the gym memberships a day a
week maybe mean seven episodesis podcast.
Most people might do sevenepisodes, that's it.
That's, that's the average forfor a podcast.
You know, um, and you knowthat's the thing, and that's

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that we could.
That could go down a completedifferent rabbit hole on on the,
I was wondering where you'regoing, not not being consistent
and following up and followingthrough.
But you know, starting thisthing, I never thought that it
was going to be 300 episodesinto it and involved into what,
what it is today.

But the consistency, consistency,
following up and followingthrough right, Holding people
accountable Listen, I'm surethere's other people and some
that are sitting in the roomright now that probably held you
accountable.
Like what do you mean?
We're not doing the podcast?

Yeah, or what do you mean?
We're not doing?
it there was one time a fewmonths ago, vic and I were
talking about not doing this ona week to week basis.
I had him convinced it was agood idea.
I really did because, like weneed to market more for TC
backer, we need to do like.
Because, like we need to marketmore for TC backer, we need to
do like like let's fill thattime slot with more you know

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productive things and it let'sjust read, let's record some
things and we can put some othercontent out there.
Just let me run my mouth for anhour.
Record it, put it out.

I remember you guys talking about that.

Yeah, yeah, and you probably thought it was a
great idea too.

Well, I said listen, man, you said about I
drive around in my truck.
How you told it to me was Idrive around and I get all these
ideas.
So I'm just going to startvideo in the car, or I'm going
to stop and videotape mythoughts or talk my thoughts
into the phone, Right, andthat's going to be my podcast.

Yeah, yeah, so we were, and we were good, we
were going to start and we, we,we, we do other things too, but
we were on our way back fromGreenville, south Carolina.
We were, we were sitting in theparking lot, it was a bad week
it had been and I don't evenknow how long we were down there
for.
And we were on our way back andit was a Wednesday and we were

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like we're going to do it.
No, we're not going to do it.
So, however long we werehalfway back, it's about a nine
hour drive.
So for about four and a halfhours, I was mentally
masturbating myself over what agreat term, all right.
I'm going to do this, I'm notgoing to do this, I'm going to
do this, I'm not going to dothis, I'm going to do this.
I'm not going to do at thispoint in time.

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And there's vick in thepassenger seat and I was like I
can't not do this, like what ismy excuse?
But because we're driving shit.
I've been on fucking cargoships, I've been in airports,
I've been everywhere and havedone these pods.
You did one in a car in closets.

You did one in a car, right?
Yeah, or is that the one you'retalking about?

that's probably the one that we're talking.
It's like so vick broke the theum.
What was the?
Gopro gopro out, stuck it tothe freaking thing, even though
you couldn't see half my headbecause sun visor was in the way
.
Yeah, but you did it hindsight2020.
Like I looked, it took me likeprobably a month after seeing it
three times like fuck, the sunvisor was cutting my head off,

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but but we did it.
I was like, dude, what was Ithinking?
Like, what excuses?
And, and you know, and that'sthe thing like none of, like the
, the imperfections that this is, they would have ruined the
momentum.
There was many times that Ididn't think it was worth doing
it anymore.
No one's getting anything outof it, you know, and I think I

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was really making it aboutmyself.
I, I go through ebbs and flowsand that's the thing when I was
talking about leadership likethis is no longer about me.
There are people that listen tothis show live and on the
replay and look forward to,whether it's someone that works
here or somebody across thecountry that actually looks
forward to.
If, if ed mylett said I'm goingto cut back, okay, and I'm not

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even putting myself in thatright arena of like, because at
the impact that do that, okay, Iwould be upset at him.
I would feel left down.
Yeah, right.
And joe rogan, joe rogan, right, any of them, all of them.
You know to have made it thisfar and then they come up with a
lame ass excuse of, uh, I'm toobusy and I don't feel well, and

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I remember pacing back andforth in my office Like today
would be that day where I wouldnot do this because I don't feel
good, I'm running 103temperature, I right now, you
are no, no, no, I'm just sayingto myself because yeah, I've,
I've been in that situationwhere I'm pacing back and forth
in my office like today would bethe the day I could come.

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I know my excuse would be goodenough and everybody would
understand.
But I still did it, right, Ijust did it because really there
was been times that I've justdone it because it's
uncomfortable.

Right.

I'm going to push through this
uncomfortability, right, right.
And I said to Vic too aroundthat time frame like when is
this shit going to actually getcomfortable?
And I think his response to mewas never yeah, get comfortable
being uncomfortable.

Yeah, and you know , I say that to my players, my
lacrosse players Our goal is tobe comfortable in the
uncomfortable and when we playother teams, now that we get
comfortable in thisuncomfortable and we make them
uncomfortable, we're morecomfortable with it and I just
that's a tongue tie.

Listen and the consistency stacks up.
Yep, Okay, it builds momentum,it builds trust.
People start to expect it.
Right, and I'm talking aboutlife, right, this, this was a
huge life turning changing pointfor me.
Right, it truly was, becausenow I'm not being consistent,

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and what message, and that's thething it's like.
I know all a lot of eyes are onme, you know, and of you know,
and I I bust people balls aboutbeing part hey, part-time, where
you at you know, mark jones isone of them.

I know he's far from a part-time, but, hey,
part-timer but most of the timeyou'll say that to people that
you know aren't.
Yeah, exactly because you knowthat, right, that just grinds
they grind.

they grind as hard as as I do, so I'm busting
your chops.

You've texted me what golf course am I at?
I didn't appreciate it, by theway, Because I wanted to be on
the golf course at that point.

And I have, you know what I mean Vic.

He was trying to just bust my chops.
I was.
Two hours later I was at thegolf course by the way.

I just want to make that point known.
That's another topic, but youknow it's consistency isn't
flashy.
You know, for me we talk aboutstacking wins, you know, and you
need to stack consistency, andyou don't see the results.
Like, for the longest time wedidn't see results from any of

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this, and still it's not evenabout like how many viewers Like
this is still organic today wemight have, I don't know, maybe
10, 12 people watching right now, 11.
Okay, I'm no Ed Milet, butthose 11 people probably have
been watching from.
Half of them are probably beenwatching since episode 50.

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Okay, half of them haveprobably been watching since we
went live today.
And because of that consistencyokay, that's one less promise
that I broke today to myself.
You know it's, it's stackingthose wins, and if I would have

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did that that day and I almostdid not go live on a Wednesday,
okay, Now we have had to adjustthe schedule, but there hasn't
been a week because early on Ithink it was Tuesday nights we
used to do this.

We did it on Tuesday.
Uh, when we were it was a, itwas a Tuesday, or used to do
this.
We did it on Tuesday when wewere it was a Tuesday or a
Thursday.

Yeah, something was Tuesday or Thursdays, I
think it was.
Thursday Cause he had somethinggoing on some other day and I
think it went from fromThursdays to Tuesdays for a
little bit, and then I think Vicand I had some commitments,
some some outside commitmentsthat we did on Tuesdays or
decided that we were going to do, and it had to do with personal
development.
So it was kind of like I don'twant to say it was a sacrifice,

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but it was like you know what,let's not, let's, let's do it on
Wednesdays, the middle of theweek, and then we switched our
times Right.

But that'd be in the evening.
Yeah, and you can do it in theafternoon.

Yeah, don't have to go in the no, and before
where I was, the seasons that Iwas in there was there would
have been no way I could do itat 12 o'clock.
Yeah, there would have been noway you're further down the road
.

Yeah, let's say it like that.

Yeah, now now this is thrown into my, my, my,
my day-to-day.
This is this is part of what Ido on right, on my work day,
right, yeah, which is kind ofcool that the team has allowed
me to design my the way, waythat I lead this way.

Well, you that that, but, more importantly,
that they probably realize thisis beneficial for you, how
anybody's going to take this anyway they want.
They're either going to sayyou're a selfish pig that just
wants to sit in front of acamera all the time, or some of
them are going to say this isyour therapy.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Yeah, like my therapy, in asense, that started to slow me

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down was when I really looked at, looked back, where we were or
where we came from.
Yeah, you know, and it camefrom what my boys you know, and
even, like my wife, they wouldbe like, hey, you're from here.
So that was like my change yeah, you know what I mean your
change was that point whereyou're like I want to shut this
down.
No, I'm not shutting this down.

So, no good for you.
Yeah, being intentional, yeah,you know.

I tell you all the time cause I text you now I
haven't been every day, butbeing intentional.
But you should do this withintentionality, right, right.
When you do a show, yeah, like,hey, listen, I'm doing the show
and I want to make sure it'syou know it to be intentional
about.
So when you called me, it waslike, yeah, I want to do this.
I haven't seen ty in a while.
He's been busy.

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I've been busy.

Okay, if I gotta be on the show for us to have a
good discussion, yeah, I'mgonna come on the show right,
you know, yes, no, and, anddavid bruno, he's like, yes, it
was on Tuesday nights, no beingbeing there with a blizzard
outside, the show must go onLike we went through all kinds
of shit.
We've had floods come throughthe studio and we still filmed.

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We had the power.

That was down, that was down on a canal, canal.

Yeah, you came out dressed up like Santa Claus.
You know, on Christmas orChristmas episodes they're
always special and I still don'tlike it.
And the other special ones thatI really like too is our 21
Turkey Salute one.
Yeah, I don't do much that day,right, I kind of let Pastor
Joel Baker and whoever else isthere.
That's going on this year too,yeah absolutely Absolutely, you

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know, and make it special forthem too, because, and and you
know, and some of the gueststhat we've had, elizabeth
Casadilla, okay, she, her, herfirst time she came on.
I think it was the first timethat she came on, she, she's an
entrepreneur.

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Her business is a big shout outto, to business 411.
She helps businesses right,sops, marketing, branding, just
just a true, true grinder andentrepreneur.
I mean, she is just, but shecame on and told us her story,
her, her life story of, like,you know how they got over here
from Cuba and what she wentthrough with her mom.

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You know, single, single momraising her and and, um, you
know, just, it's given megoosebumps, right, it's given me
goosebumps right now.
You know, and there's a lot ofpeople that that haven't been
able to to, to get to hear thatabout her, and they look at her
today and she's very successful,okay, right, and they think it
must be nice, you know it, itmust be nice.

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But we gave her a platform to,to, to share with us and it was
emotional, I mean, it was sogood and it'll always stick with
me.
And the people that have cameon here.
I've learned so much, not justabout them, but from them, and
consistency and that goes intoany successful at anything, I
don't care if it's sports, yourhealth, your wealth, your

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spirituality.
It's something you can't doonce in a while.
Consistency is about stackingand stacking, even when you
don't see the results,especially when you don't feel
like working out, is when I knowI have to work out.

That's the most important time.

That is the most important time.
Yes, you know, and that's whereconsistency and building those
daily habits, you know, andknowing what it feels like to
break those promises to yourselftime and time and time and time
and time again, and what thathas done to me over the years
Okay, yeah, emotionally, whatdid to walk To to break all

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those promises?
Yeah so yes, you know, and and Iand that was already eating at
me on that drive up fromGreenville that day when we
decided, I decided that weweren't going to do the podcast
today that day, whatever it was.

So you were breaking all the stuff, all the
promises you made to yourself.

I was.
I was running all this throughmy head.

You didn't think of that Cause.
You see, earlier in theconversation you didn't say that
, you didn't say that that waswhat was on your mind, like it
broke it.
But after you probably did it,then you're like how could I?

do that to myself Probably.
Yeah, Go go live.
What you know what I mean?

It's just the excuses that was talking to you,
probably.

Probably.

I'm going to stick this camera on your forehead.
He said I knew you were goingto do it.

I knew you were going to do it and he probably
he wasn't going to.
Let me not do it.
Honestly, he already had theGoPro set up before I even got
in the truck.
That morning he was already inthe truck and had everything
wired up listen, we know whoruns this joint yes, no doubt
you know what I'm saying youknow and the support, okay, the

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you know from.
You know chris baker, vick, mikehippie, the conversations that
we had behind the mic.
You know the hours that wewould.
You know the hour before theshow and the conversations the
hour or two or three after theshow, like when you would come
out to the studio, the growththat happened at those times.

Well, it was from laughs, right, so we would be.
I tend to think that laughingis healing, so every time we'd
come to to the show, we'd laughafter and giggle I would feel so
much better, oh yeah it waslike uh, yeah, wow yeah, we did
it yeah, oh, by the way, thatshit was funny.

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Yeah, right, yeah, where didthat come from?
I don't know.
I just asked you the question,right, but that's that's where.
It's like family vacations,where you just jump in a car.
Yeah, that's what you're,that's what this is right.
You just jump in a car andstart going.
Right, where are we going?
I?

don't know, I have no idea.
I have no idea.
What are we talking about?

I don't know.
We're just we'll start.
Something will come up thatwe'll start talking, for sure
for sure.

Usually it's about where we're at, like you
share an experience that yourecently or in the past year
have gone through it, at workand stuff, and that's that's
what I think people like aboutthis the most, is the true
authenticity.
You know, because unfortunately, or fortunately, this you see
what you get here.
I've been jacked up, i've'vebeen down low, I've not felt
well, you know, and and I thinkthat pulls that out of people

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and why they feel so comfortableto you know, when Elizabeth
came on or when you come on,because I'm not any different at
off the mic, no, you know whatI mean.
We'll go in my office, we'llchop it up for probably 10, 15,
20 minutes, you know, and it'sjust I'm I'm.

If you were any different on the mic, I probably
wouldn't say anything, whichyou know.
I got it all, no, no.
But if you were any differentit would be like who is that guy
?
Yeah, you know.
Yeah, so, and that's what makesme come back.
It makes me come back.
I mean, obviously, support andI'd like, I'd like being on here
with you, because I think you,you totally put your mind into

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it so it's very, it's veryintriguing to me, right, it
helps me and helps me um thereup, as I call it yeah

you know yeah and go from there yeah, I love
behind the tool belt has done somuch for me, and I hope it it
has, you know, because this wasnever a selfish thing.
If it was, was we never did it,we would have never done this.
You know what I mean?
Cause I'm terrified, terrified.
I still get nervous.
Now I do other things, too,that make this seem like this

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isn't so terrifying, like anytype of public speaking.
Last week, I had theopportunity to speak at an event
to other entrepreneurs, not inour industry and, of course,
when you know it, they had me asthe last speakers, the first
keynote headliner, I guess.
I guess you could consider theynever.
They didn't come out and say butyou're the last person to talk

(48:00):
it was the last and you'resitting there and he said I'm
gonna start and I'm gonna fireit up, but we need you to finish
it because we need them firedup before they leave.
And I was like oh shit, and Ididn't know that till that
morning.
Yeah, yeah.
So I come back from somethinglike that.
This is freaking easy peasy.
You know what I mean, but thatwill wear off eventually.

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We're kind of like man, I don'tknow, you know, I shit, man, I
I.
He's like dude, shut up, you'refine, you'll good.

What's something you haven't had on the show, or
something in the area that youhaven't had on the show, that
you think should be on the showor have wanted to have on the
show.
You just haven't reached outand asked.

Is it somebody or something, whatever?
Well, I can tell you thisthere's a few people that I
would love to have on a show oreven get on their show.
I don't want to say just comeon our show, but I would love to
be on Ed Milet's show or havehim come on our show.
And Vic did actually reach outto John Maxwell and the answer

(49:03):
wasn't no.
There was just some things hewanted me to do first, which we
are, I have been.
Yeah, um, he wants to make sureyou know, um, we're supporting
what they're doing over theretoo, and not just some random
dude off the street jibberjabber and all the time.
Um, so there's that.
But there's one thing that Ialways wanted us to do, and we

(49:27):
called it the smash lab.
We wanted to test tools andproduct and stuff like throw
cameras through windows and youknow to.
You know, if it's hurricaneproof glass or something like
that, like I'll break it so I'msure vick would have been on
every week.
Yeah we and we act.
We have that.
We have that corner of thestudio still built and that's

(49:50):
still not out of the question.
There are some big thingscoming, you know.
The next 300,.
You know we're not, we're notstaying stagnant.
There's, you know we've.
We've changed, as you know, aswe grow, the show has grown and
and we do have a lot of thingson the horizon for this and, and

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one of them and I'll put thisout there because we may have
mentioned it before but we wantto host our own event.
What type of event?
Like the event that I just camefrom?
Okay, you know what I mean, itwasn't a bunch of people.
It will be more geared towardsroofing contractors, people in
our space, exterior contracting,but I, I it's a lot like where,
where we just came from, whatwe, janet and I, just got to

(50:33):
experience is, is what I want todo?
Something like that and and youknow it's, it's a behind the
tool belt thing.
We're not going to make it a aTC backer thing.
We're not going to make it.
You know it's.
It's going to be a behind thetool belt event.

That that that'll probably happen in 2026 and, uh,
again, it's so you're alreadystarting to starting to do some
of the things that you reallywanted to accomplish.

Yeah, you know, yeah uh, yeah, coaching I want
to coach more, more contractorsin our space.
Yeah, yeah, I want to.
I want to do more of that andwhat this podcast has actually
made me do.
I do a lot of research and Istudy a lot of things and I have
a lot of stuff that I couldalready share with other people.
I actually have it documented.

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I've gotten a lot of stuff outof here and put onto paper for
personal development, for, or orjust complete organization of a
company, organizational healthso there's three pillars, right,
there's so many.
I run things in threes, I liketo call them the trifectas, okay
.
So three pillars would bepurpose, okay, ownership and

(51:40):
organizational health.
Okay, those are your threepillars.
Sales you know the trifecta insales, right, you want to repeat
customers, okay, reviews, and,uh, shit, what's the other arts?
Three R's repeat reviews andreferrals.
Okay, the other three ended uphere.

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I have, I have topics around allof these things you know and
you know, uh, the other thing is, you know core values, sops,
kpis, everything.
I can kind of make everythinginto threes, the trifectas of of
of business, you know, and, andespecially with with the last
three that I just mentioned,like, if you can get okay, cause

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we we operated without SOPs andKPIs but our culture was there.
Okay, but our culture was there.
Okay.
You can have SOPs and KPIs buthave a shit culture and it'll
avoid the other two Cause noone's going to buy into the SOPs
or the KPIs.
But if you have a good cultureyou can actually get away for a

(52:44):
while without actually.
It depends on how large yourcompany is.

Well, I agree with you on that point, because and
not to take away your total-time.

No, no go ahead.

When you get into KPIs and SOPs and all that
listen, it tends to be tediousand long.
Okay, so what we have done iswe'll go down a road, right, and
something will come up.
I'll be like, hey, can youdocument?
Somebody will type it up realquick, send it to Mason.
He built an employee portalthat we put all that stuff on.
It's easily accessible with ourhealthcare or whatever all of

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our numbers for the month.
Having that what you just said,you need the culture and you
need the other ones.
But the culture allows you togo and say, hey, what do you
think about this?
So you find, build it together.

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What did I say from thebeginning?
Yeah, you go to people and belike, hey, what's your thoughts
on that?
Yeah, or how would you handlethat?

Our core values, even though I didn't run around
and say to everybody what doyou think of this, what do you
think of this, what do you thinkof that?
I pulled something fromeverybody.
So when we rolled our KPIs outor, I'm sorry, our core values
out, everybody sitting in thatroom that day that I broke them

(54:05):
out could think of a time orsituation that they were like
that's where that came from,that's where that came from,
that's where that one came from.
This is why we're doing thisone because of that one time.

Yeah, key performance indicators, though
how do you determine them alwaysto be numbers, or numbers in
the business?
No, it's behaviors.

Okay, so key performance behaviors?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, some of themare.
Are behaviors, right, you know,are habits that they should?
You know how many doors did youknock?

yeah, so you know, or I fully agree.
Consistency, yeah, that's whatyou're talking about, right?
So in our office, um showing upthe word people hold each other
accountable, I don't need to doit.
Yeah, no doubt I don't need it.
In my shop, I don't need to doit.
Because they hold each otheraccountable.
Where were you at?
Oh, you had a great vacation.

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That's awesome.
Welcome back.
Now let's get to work.

They're nice about it next week, so you know.
So hurry up, get your headwrapped around some shit, so you
can pick up my slack, so I canleave right consistency.

yeah, like you know, and like having.
Uh, also, when you talk aboutthe, the everybody getting along
.
When it comes to those peopleleaving and me going in and
saying, hey, um, we're gonnahave to black out a period of
time because we're extremelybusy, then they all go okay.
So give me the parameters ofthat.

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You know, because people getlike for us August 1 through the
end of September is just nuts.
November 1 to the end ofDecember nuts, crazy.
So you have to kind of blackout those time periods so they
don't take days off.
They'll complain about it, butnone of them ever used it

(55:56):
because they feel you tooksomething away.
Or I get a better rate down atthe beach in September.
Well, I'm sorry, you joined acompany that we make 30% of our
money in the two-month period.
Yeah, but they'll talk about itin the two-month period.
But they'll talk about it.
And if everybody else doesn'tcomplain about it, then all of a

(56:18):
sudden they'll start puttingthat in their pocket and
basically it's your employeesaying if you don't like it, get
out, we'll find somebody else.

Exactly, and David just said public speaking
is one of his big fears.
But that's him stepping out ofhis comfort zone, david, yeah,
bruno, wow, believe it or not,yeah, but this is.
I have another speakingengagement coming up with the
construction york, southern pabusiness owners or something
like that.
No, it's it's for.
The york builders associationis hosting their second annual

(56:47):
construction expo, which I knewthe exact name for south central
pa's construction expo, Ibelieve um, and you're speaking
october 8th, you're speaking,yeah 8 am yeah yeah, yeah, it's,
it's free admission.
So anybody and there will besome vendors there, um, some

(57:07):
local vendors, some, I think.
You know.
I think john h's Myers will bethere and people like that
Vendors will be there and andLori hooked up some speakers.
It's, it's going to be good forfor a lot of people in the
trades.

What music are you coming out to?

What music?

Yeah, what music do you think?

Probably.
What's that?
The eye of the tiger Tiger?

Yeah, okay, nick will have the show on your age
here.

Yeah, sorry, all right, I think.
I think we're about an hourinto this.
So, that's right.
No, it's okay, all right.
What an awesome time I alwayshave with you, dude.

Dude, Today's the first time I sat and listened
like you're on a roll.

Like I just let you go.

Really, you're on a roll day.
Once you got started, I step inand then you'd step on me.
All right, go ahead, ty, keeptalking, because.
I'm enjoying it Sorry.

Well, I'm excited you're here.

You know it's good to be back.
I miss you guys.
Yeah, me too.
Life caught up with us, but Istill keep in.
I try to keep in touch, I know.


He's down fishing.

Did you get any flounder this year?
Was that last year?
No, no, we're not talking.

You caught flounder, but you didn't bring
no us any.

Most of them I throw back.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Most of them I'll throw back, that's well, there's
people starving, just not mejust saying neither I do love
fish, and I love flounder,flounders why'd you look at me
like that?

okay, but you, you know, before we wrap this up
, I, I, I just want to, uh, youknow, I, I want to think, take a
second to thank everybody andthank you.
You know, um, every single oneof you has who has listened to
this and shared, um, you know,and commented and, and, you know
, share, share this.
I know Zach Fisher, davidBruneau, the list goes on.

(58:51):
I mean I could just all thepeople that that are in here
right now just thank you for forbeing here since day one.
Some of you have been here fromfrom day one and have shared
the shit out of this and and andto all of our guests, who, who
has, who have given us, you know, their time, shared their
wisdom and their stories.
And you know, my team, my family, big shout out to Jana, who,

(59:13):
who probably shares the shit outof this every weekend.
And Lauren, you know little dowe know?
And you know, we, we manually,organically, she'll share it to
every, you know roofing Facebookgroup out there.
So, thank you, you know, lauren, and Jana, come hell or high
water, no matter what she'sdoing, if she's not there with
us, she's wherever she is in theworld, she's sharing this and

(59:34):
today, her and Skylar, my, mygranddaughter Mackenzie's
daughter, are probably watchingthis at at home sitting on the
couch right now and she'syelling Papaw, papaw, that's
Papaw.
So I I wouldn't be doing any ofus, you know we.
I would be doing us adisservice if I didn't mention
Skylar's name right now.
So, hi, skylar, if you guys areout there watching, I know you

(59:55):
are, but here's the truth.
You know the next 300 episodes,they're going to be even better
and we're going to keepbuilding people, we're going to
keep growing the community andwe're going to keep pushing the
industry forward together.
Okay, no-transcript.

Chris Markey (01:00:37):
I just want to say Ty, uh, congratulations, and,
uh, the one thing I've alwaysloved about this show and it's
something I live by too that, uh, you're not here to make an
impression, you're here to makean impact, and it's huge to me
and to everybody that watches it.

Ty Cobb Backer (01:00:50):
So right on, thank you Appreciate it and
you're a big part of that.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
This is some of your legacy too.
Oh, just so you know that.
Wow.

Chris Markey (01:00:58):
Okay, yeah, don't throw it, throw that out there
like that, but I appreciate itbecause you've done all the work
.

Ty Cobb Backer (01:01:11):
I mean I for the ride, because, uh, it's nice to
be able to tell people you havefriends like you.
No doubt isn't that the truth.
Yeah, well, thank you, andthank you for everybody for
listening, and, uh, till nextweek, take care of each other
and enjoy this warm weather thatI think we're gonna have for
the next few days.
So till then, take it easy.

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