August 6, 2025 • 44 mins
Energy is the most powerful currency a leader possesses, with the ability to transform organizations and build movements that change lives. Ty Cobb-Backer revisits the profound impact of John Gordon's "The Energy Bus" and breaks down the 10 rules that have shaped his leadership philosophy and earned him the title of "Chief Energy Officer."
• You're the driver of your bus. Take ownership of your life, leadership and energy
• Desire, vision and focus move your bus in the right direction. Obsess over your goals
• Fuel your ride with positive energy. You either uplift your team or drain them
• Invite people on your bus and share your vision & articulate direction clearly
• Don't waste energy on those who don't get on your bus. Remove negative influences
• Post a sign that says "no energy vampires allowed". Protect your team's energy
• Enthusiasm attracts more passengers and energizes them. Positive energy is contagious
• Love your passengers. People go the extra mile when they feel valued
• Drive with purpose. Purpose-driven leadership outlasts money-driven goals
• Have fun and enjoy the ride! Energy comes from joy, don't take yourself too seriously
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Ty Cobb Backer (00:02):
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Welcome back everybody toBeyond the Tool Belt, episode
293.
I'm your host, ty Cobb-Backer.
Thank you for joining us onthis Wednesday edition.
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Tool Belt, where the stories are bold, the
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Every week, host Ty Cobb-Backersits down to bring you the
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Please welcome your host ofBehind the Tool Belt, ty
Cobb-Backer, hey hey, hey,welcome back everybody to
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episode 293, behind the ToolBelt.
Ty Cobb Backer (01:09):
And I don't know if it's rained yet this week,
which is kind of unusual for us,but welcome back everybody.
Thank you for joining us onthis Wednesday edition.
This is the show where we getreal about leadership mindset
and building something thatlasts, not just on the job site
but in life.
Today's episode, it's going tobe all about energy, and no, I'm
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not talking about solar panelsand battery backups.
I'm actually talking aboutenergy that a leader should
bring as a team builder and asthe person looks when things get
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tough right.
Things aren't always as easy asthings may appear from the
outside, and what I've donerecently here was is I picked, I
picked the book back up andsome of you may have heard me
talk about the energy bus byJohn Gordon and let me tell you
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it.
It rocked me.
It rocked me again and I'mhonestly I I read it and then
I'm I've been listening to it onmy way to work and on my way
home from work every single dayfor probably about a month and
literally, if you sit down toread a book, it's a short read.
It would probably take youmaybe an hour if you're a really
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good, fast reader.
But for me it's a book thatI've studied and I've taken
notes and I thought today Iwould break those notes out of
the archives.
And as I've been reviewingthose notes over the past
several weeks, I've added my ownlittle interpretations of
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certain things.
And by all means I'm notperfect at any of these.
I still have shortcomings, Istill have character defects.
I am definitely a work inprogress.
But when I read it it rocked meso much, probably I don't know,
a couple of years ago, so much,that I've added the title to my
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email signature Chief EnergyOfficer, yep CEO.
And why is?
Because I believe that thenumber one job of a leader is to
fuel their team and I've known,I've known that, I've known
that part for a long time.
I've watched my negativityspread amongst the team, I've
watched other team membersnegativity spread amongst the
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team and I've also watched mypositivity spread.
And I've also watched mypositivity spread and I've also
watched other team membersnegativity spread across, you
know, the company like wildfire.
So I thought I'd pick this bookup, you know, because it kind
of was the play for me doingjust that bringing back the
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energy.
You know.
So because, um, because todayI'm hopping back on the energy
bus, right, um, I'm going tobreak down the, the 10 rules, my
interpretation of the 10 rules,and share how they've hit home
for me, and and give you knowpractical ways, uh, to put this
mind, this type of mindset, intoplay and how I've tried to
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apply it.
And again, this mind, this typeof mindset, into play and how
I've tried to apply it.
And again, I've I've not, I'venot been perfect at any of this.
And and again, I mean you knowreviewing, you know a couple of
these things that I've learnedalong the way.
It's a reminder for me as wellthat I need to practice these
principles pretty much.
You know, in all my fairs,whether it's on the roof,
whether it's in the truck,whether it's at the dinner table
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, you know, I, I need topractice these, these, some of
these principles.
And you know, in the book itdoesn't necessarily have broken
out.
You know rule number one, rulenumber two.
So you, you kind of gotta, yougotta listen, you gotta pay
attention and and you gotta jotthings down Like I do.
I study books right now.
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I'm also studying a book rightnow by Philip Hum.
Now, I don't think he has anyaudible stuff, but it is the
storytelling for business and itis so good and again, it's a
short read, but the importanceof the story behind the business
, having and discussingrelatable stories about you,
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about projects to the homeowner,to your team, and how you can
articulate your message betterthrough storytelling sometimes,
because people can relate tostories right Like they may have
experienced something like thatwhere it kind of just resonates
really well with them.
So, anyhow, reading has beenone of the biggest, probably
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game changers in my personal andprofessional career that I've
ever done, whether it was, youknow, self-help, improvement,
you know, stuff that you know,and it always seems like there's
12 steps, there's 12 rulesthere's, or there's 10 steps or
seven pillars, there's, you know, there's these, these
guidelines, you know, and I wasactually going to discuss, you
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know, some of them today becauseI was on the horn with Brian
Good earlier this morning and Iwas like all right man, I got to
get wrapped up here because Ineed to finalize what it is that
you know we're going to discussover the podcast today.
And and I said to Brian what doyou, what do you want, what do
you want me to, what would youlike me to talk about today?
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And the first thing that cameout of his mouth and thank you
know, thank goodness and Godbless, brian he was like I love
it when I hear you talk aboutleadership.
I was like, okay, I can do that, I enjoy that.
I prefer one-on-one withsomebody so I can see their
reactions and that way I knowwhich kind of direction to go
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and see if what I'm saying isactually resonating with them.
So I find it a little moredifficult to talk about
leadership through podcasts,where I can't actually see
people's you know, facialimpressions or their body
gestures and things like that,because I like to read people
kind of like.
I feel like I enjoy speaking tocrowds of people as well,
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because I can kind of read theroom as well too and know which
way we need to take this kind ofread the room as well, too, and
know which way we need to takethis, because I have been on
many, many, many, many manydifferent journeys over my life
and a majority of that,thankfully, has been sober and
trying to lead businesses andthings like that.
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So, but I like to share littlenuggets with with people,
especially those that are veryclose to me on how I've dealt
with adversity, how I gotthrough things, and not always
just sharing about the losses,but also sharing about the wins.
And I and I feel like that'swhat's separated this podcast a
lot from a lot of differentpodcasts is that, when you know
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our guests come on, or if it'sjust me talking, you know, I, I,
I'd like to be as truthful andand just share my experience,
strength and hope, and and andhopefully it will inspire, you
know, someone else to, um, youknow, do great things or or even
get them through a dark time intheir life, because we, we all,
go through it.
I don't give a shit man, andunfortunately, social media
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today only shows highlight reels, you know, and we try to do the
exact opposite of that here andcontinuously personally
improving myself and in hopesthat by me focusing on that, I
can improve the quality ofsomebody else's life.
Focusing on that, I can improvethe quality of somebody else's
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life.
So, anyhow, the 10 rules forthe ride of your life on the
energy bus.
So, anyhow, rule number one andit's very simple it's that
you're the driver of the bus,and I think we all know that.
Right, we all were the driverof our bus.
We're the driver of ourdestination.
If we tell ourselves something,that we can't do something,
we're not going to do it, we'renot, it's not going to happen.
Because you continuously tellyourself that we're not going to
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do something, right, but if youtell yourself that I'm going to
do this, I can do this.
The, the, the power of positivethinking is amazing.
I mean it is.
You know.
Of course, I've been fueled upto by, by others telling me that
I can't do something.
You know what I mean.
But I think you can also allowthat to affect you in a negative
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way as well, and it you'llstart telling yourself you've
heard enough that you're a pieceof shit and you're going to be
nothing.
You know you.
You start thinking that,unfortunately, right, and that's
why it's important to surroundyourself around positive people.
You know, and you know, takeownership, take ownership of
your life, take ownership ofyour leadership, and no one else
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is steering this for you, right?
Just because of outsidecircumstances shouldn't.
Outside circumstances shouldn'tnecessarily affect how you feel
, okay, and and I recently gotto to practice that, right, like
yep, shit's on fire over here,right, and I think that's the
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difference between a goodleadership and poor leadership
is that I can sit in the middleof the fire, the burning house
right, and calmly sit therewhile everything is on fire
around me, while right, there'sother people who are freaking
the fuck out and and and runningfor the Hills, right.
But being able to take a stepback, take a deep breath and and
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and focus on, right, obviously,how to put the fire out.
But you know to to elaboratemore on that, that analogy, but
but also you know to toelaborate more on that, that
analogy, but but also, you know,usually it's not everything,
it's not your complete world,it's not your entire world.
Yes, let's just say my houseburnt down.
Ok, that one.
First and foremost, that thatis a thing.
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Ok, it's just a thing, right?
Yep, I might lose somepossessions in my house, but the
important thing is, is that Ididn't die, the I might lose
some possessions in my house,but the important thing is is
that I didn't die?
The important thing is is thatmy family's not injured?
The important thing is is thatwe'll be able to probably afford
another house because we haveinsurance on the house today.
So, as I go down this list ofall these other positive things,
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right, and see, that's where Ithink we get.
We get messed up as human beingsis that we get so fixated on
the burning house that we're noteven really looking at the
things that are most importantto us, right, really, at the end
of the day, right, my, my, myfamily's healthy, I'm healthy,
eventually we'll, we'll findanother place to live.
I'm sure people will step inand help us, and those people,
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right, the first ones that showup to make sure that we're okay,
that that is who's important,those are the ones that that we
need to be grateful for.
Those are the people that weknow that, no matter what, will
show up when the house is onfire.
And recently we kind of got toexperience something like that
where the house not necessarilyand I know that sounds pretty
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devastating to a lot of peoplebut okay, so that's 5%.
The 95% of everything else thathas gone well, that is going
well, that's going to go well,right?
Typically, when that happens tous, when we feel like it's
happening to us, it's actuallyhappening for us, because
typically, when something likethat happens, you end up with
like, instead of like a singlestory rancher now, you end up
with like, you know that, 1700square feet.
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Now you end up with, like youknow that, 1700 square feet.
Now you end up with, like Idon't know how or why this works
this way.
You end up with like a 4,000two-story house with like a
five-car garage, like that isjust how, and even you don't
even see it, and you're going tobitch.
Probably, if you're anythinglike I am, you're going to bitch
because it's too big, or it'sfive minutes further away from
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work, or you're going to pointout like every single flaw,
right, you know.
Or let's say, it's even smaller, right At first we're like, oh,
it's smaller, it doesn't haveenough bedrooms, and it's like,
dude, and I was just blessedwith a gift from the universe
with another house that somebodyprobably gave me.
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They had an extra house and Iknow that's kind of far-fetched,
but I'm just saying it alwaysseems to like work out, maybe
not the way that I think itshould work out, and that's the
problem is I, it's the sixinches between my ears that
screws up all that energy, youknow.
And getting back to why I putthat in my signatures, because I
email a lot today, you knowmore than I probably ever have
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before and, quite honestly, likeI probably work on other things
in the business harder than Idid early on in business too,
only because we've been in anexpansion growth mode for
forever, and I have to watch myreactions more now than I have
ever have.
And that's what I mean by likethat personal development, that
personal working, that work thatI have to put in to myself in
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order to maintain while thehouse is on fire, okay, and and
have a clear direction and be asdecisive as I possibly can be.
So that that's rule number oneYou're the driver.
You're the driver of your bus.
Rule number two is desire,vision, focus and focus.
Move your bus in the rightdirection Right, get clear on
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the goals and obsess, obsess Ican't express that enough Obsess
over your goals.
Ok, I think where most peopleget hemmed up is is like that
first sign of pain, that firstsign of growth, right, which is
pain.
Through, through pain comesgrowth.
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Can't, can't have growthwithout pain.
I'm sorry, kiddos, I am sorry.
My body hurts so fricking badright now that I honestly felt
like I had the flu.
Okay, and why I'm bringing thatup is because I've been pushing
myself so, so, terribly hard,because there's something wrong
with the six inches between myears that I thought at the end
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of this fearless 44, that I wasgoing to look like a, a 32 year
old, rip shit brick house, likeI don't know what I was thinking
.
But so I'm pushing, work, we'regetting down to it, you know,
getting down to the wire here.
I think we have four or fivedays left, right, so I'm pushing
, I'm pushing, I'm pushing, I'mpushing, I'm pushing, I'm
pushing myself and I'm notseeing the results fast enough.
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Okay, but I do know, with mybiceps, my triceps, and as sore
as they are right now, I knowthrough that pain there's going
to be growth.
I know that and that's kind ofwhat motivates me.
And it's like, especially whenit comes to working out, like
you go through these plateaus,right, like at first you might
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start feeling ripped and youfeel that swole and you feel a
little bulky, and then, about aweek or two into it, like that
goes away, right, like you stopseeing that, that swole goes
away.
And it's like a lot of peopledon't know how to handle that
situation.
Right, it's got okay.
So now it's time for me to bumpmy weights up.
It's, it's it's time for me tohit that muscle from a different
direction.
That means do, do.
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Do I do skull crushers?
Do I have to do curls?
Which way am I holding the curlright?
Am I holding it flat?
Am I, am I bringing it this way?
And a lot of people don't knowthat you have three heads, right
, you got I can't the brachialis, the whatever, but there's
three heads on your arm thatthat form and give you the shape
and the size of your arms.
Well, you got to work on allthree of them.
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You can't just continuously dohammer curls like this.
You got to switch it up.
Sometimes you got to dopreacher curls.
Sometimes you have to doincline curls, right, just to
hit it somehow some waydifferently.
Right, so you do some moreresearch, right, maybe you ask
somebody that's been doing it alot longer than you, right, just
so you don't give up.
But again, some people, mostpeople, myself included I start
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feeling that I startexperiencing that little bit of
that pain.
Okay, that obsession starts togo away.
It's like oh man, this, this ispainful.
I didn't realize it was goingto require this much work to, to
to get through this, to lose 10pounds, to create an empire.
To to buy a car.
To to afford a home to whatever?
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And buying a house, dude, thatshit's not easy.
The paperwork right, and theyask you the same questions over
and over and over and over andover, dealing with the bank and
underwriters.
I don't even think underwritersare real people, I think it's
just an excuse that your bankeruses just to stall shit because
they went on vacation orwhatever the case is.
But like, but, dude, introducedme to this fricking underwriter
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, please, cause I'll dot hiseyes and cross his fricking T's
for him.
But anyhow, I'm just saying youknow, like it just it's a lot
of work and some people justcan't, don't have the energy,
don't have the time or whatever,whatever.
The stupid ass excuses that wetell ourselves on a day-to-day
basis.
Right, we got to grind throughit, right, Anything, man, I wish
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I could think of that.
How that's saying anythingworth fighting for is worth.
I don't know the pain, anythingwhatever, but I'm sure you know,
understand, so desire, visionand focus.
You know on which direction youwant the bus to go.
And obsess, obsess over it.
You, you have to obsess over it.
So rule number three is fuel,fuel, fuel your ride with
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positive energy.
Right, everything, energy,energy is everything.
Okay, you either uplift yourteam or you drain them.
And and energy is the mostimportant currency as any
manager, as any boss, as anyleader, as any entrepreneur
could possibly have.
Yep, you can have all thegreatest KPIs, sops, and they
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don't mean shit.
They don't mean shit if yourculture is shit.
Okay, if your culture is shitand the energy is shit, they're
not going to follow the KPIs,they're not going to, they're
not going to uphold the SOPs.
They're not going to do any ofthose things.
If, if your culture or theenergy sucks, I I've I've seen
it, I've experienced it, I'vecreated it.
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Um, but I can tell you this forthe longest time, we didn't
necessarily have KPIs or KPIdashboard or a way to track
things, and we didn'tnecessarily have all of our SOPs
documented.
But the one thing that I cantell you that we had a part of
that ingredient was was ourculture.
Okay, and that is moreimportant, you will get through
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anything and I mean anythingdoesn't doesn't matter how
devastating it is within yourorganization If you have a good
core group of people within yourorganization that are amongst
that.
That you have articulated yourvision to that you have
articulated the direction,articulated the core values of
what it is that we're actuallydoing here.
You can accomplish anything.
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Is there a slight hesitation orsomething?
Yeah, okay, I think so too,cause it's funny because I'm
watching my mouth.
Yeah, not, yeah, like we'rewatching.
What are the?
The old Chinese Kung Fu, kungFu movie.
Yeah, sorry, sorry.
So if my mouth isn't movingwith my words here, let me get a
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sip here Quick, hmm, sorry.
So if my mouth isn't movingwith my words here, let me get a
sip here quick, hmm, okay, rulenumber four.
Rule number four and I strugglewith this.
I struggle with all these.
By the way, I'm not perfect.
I suck a lot, a lot of times Ido, but that's why I reach it
like this, over and over andover, cause I have a very thick
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skull.
I do, I really do so.
Rule number four is invitepeople on your bus and share
your vision for the road ahead.
Vision casting attracts theright passengers and repels the
wrong ones.
Right and again, anybody thatworks for us, that works with me
, that has been a part of thisestablishment, knows that we've
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kept the wrong people around forentirely too long.
Most of that my fault.
Right, because nobody likesconfrontation, but not knowing
how detrimental that was to ourculture, not knowing how badly
that was actually holding usback.
And I think again, we recentlygot to experience that.
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You know it's so funny, youknow, when changes like that
come, one you get to see theteam rally, one you get to see
the team rally right, and in thefellowshipping and the
camaraderie, that camaraderie,we're going to kick everybody's
ass.
Let's go Right.
And again, getting back to you,can you can accomplish anything
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, anything is possible with withthe right team, and having the
right team is so important, sodetrimental to so many things on
so many different levels.
And so, yeah, to make sureyou're inviting the right people
, you know, and sharing thatvision to the best of your
ability.
I know I suffer and strugglewith.
You know I've talked about thecemetery across the parking lot
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here, where I've used that as ananalogy, where you know I am
guilty of just, you know,telling someone to go over to
that cemetery over there andthey're kind of like, ok, and
they'll go over, no problem, butthey'll be wondering and asking
themselves, why does he want meto come over to the cemetery
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over here, when I should havesaid, hey, there's a cemetery
across the parking lot over here, and every time the wind blows,
the tree branches blow acrossthe top of this tombstone and
it's damaging it.
Right, just that little bit ofmore information.
Like, I need you to go overthere, I need you to trim these
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branches up.
Okay, so now they're prettypumped, they're like, oh shit, I
need a chainsaw and just, andthey run over there.
Hopefully they get over thereand they start trimming up this
tree.
And as they're there, if you'vechosen now, this is this is
this is.
This is very important here Ifyou have chosen the right people
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to come on the bus, they'llopen their eyes when they get
over there and realize thatthere's two or three other trees
over there doing the same exactthing.
So either they'll ask whichisn't a bad thing They'll ask,
hey, do you want me to cleanthese other trees up?
Absolutely, do that.
I didn't take notice, I missedthat part.
Yep, they're going to take careof it.
So, instead of just going overthere and cutting down one limb
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off the oak tree over there,they've noticed, they recognize,
but meanwhile they're overthere.
They discover that there'sleaves all over everything.
Not only the tombstones thatstand up out of the ground were
getting damaged, but thosetombstones that just kind of lay
flat to the ground, you know,you know which ones I'm talking
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about.
You can almost step on themsometimes.
And if you don't see them, ifyou're not paying attention,
well, while they're over there,they discovered that the leaves
are covering these up.
So, without even asking, theygo and get a rake and they start
raking things up.
Right, because you've chosen theright people.
But you can have the rightpeople but not articulate the
message, the direction, bedecisive.
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Again, guilty, guilty as hell.
But I've been doing this longenough to I've actually got to
see people on our team do thatto other people within the
organization as well.
Right, which is cool, because Igot to experience it.
And getting back to the PhilipHum book right, it's not just
about marketing, it's about howwe speak with people.
It.
And getting back to the PhilipHum book right, it's not just
about marketing, it's about howwe speak with people, but
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sharing my experience, strengthand hope with that individual
saying hey, you know, sometimeswe've got to be a little more
decisive, and sometimes thatalso has to come from me to them
, so then they can articulatethat message to the rest of the
team.
Right, right, becausetechnically and somebody said it
to me this morning Ben said Ishould be creating my
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replacement, absolutely,absolutely.
He needs such a superior salesteam around him, right?
That sorry, hold on one secondthat he needs to have such a
great sales team around him sohe doesn't have to do sales
anymore.
Ben shouldn't have to do salessales manager, right?
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So he should be looking for hisreplacement as he went from
salesperson to sales manager andwe touched on that a little bit
.
The mindset change and that's awhole complete other topic for
another, another podcast here.
But number four just make sureyou got the right people on the
bus and know what seats.
You know learning, learning howto put them in the right seats
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and making sure that we're as asmanagers, bosses, whatever you
want to call it right.
Make sure we're putting them inthe right seats and we're
giving them the right message.
Right To relate to the rest ofthe team, and that's called
decentralized command rightJocko Willink talks about it all
the time and empowering them tomake decisions and being okay
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with them making mistakes.
It happens.
It happens all the time.
I've done more wrong than rightover the years and you've heard
me talk about that, and I couldgo down a hole.
I should.
We should have an episode ofall the things I've screwed up,
but what good came out of them?
Right, and that's usually whathappens.
The lessons learned?
Or the 4,000 square foot housewith the five car garage
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metaphor, metaphorically Right,like how shit turned into key
lime pie?
I don't know, I do too.
I freaking love Key Lime Pie.
So that leads us to rule numberfive Don't waste your energy on
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those who don't get on your bus.
Okay, they're not meeting ushalfway.
And I am so guilty I'm sofricking guilty of dumping time,
energy, resources into peopleCause I like them, they're good,
they're a good person, justlazy as hell.
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Yeah, I've even said shit likethat to myself, where it's like
I like them as a human being andI've kept them around even
though I've got used and abusedand manipulated, and usually
that's what it is.
It's not.
I don't think it usually comesout to incompetency.
Like I have, I have patienceand tolerance for somebody who
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has a learning disability Like I.
Will be the first one to drawit for you, draw a map.
But if they're not even willingto step up, if they're not even
willing to pick up the book, ifthey're not even willing to
open up the laptop, if they'renot even willing to screw up,
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right, then number one thing isis is you got to get them off
the bus gently, open up the backdoor and push them out?
Right, and I hate to say that,but it's like, while you're
focusing all your time andenergy on that one individual
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who everyone else sees is takingadvantage of the situation.
Everybody else is watching it,everybody, and again, guilty,
guilty as charged.
Okay, everything and everyoneelse is suffering.
Okay, because we're dumping allthis time, energy, resources,
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all into the individual whoreally just doesn't give a shit
and it's just here for apaycheck, right, and I would
like to think people join us formore than just paycheck.
Don't get me wrong.
We all need to eat, we all needto feed our children, we all
need to put shoes, school'scoming, we got to go school
shopping.
We got to do all that stuff.
Okay, trust me, I get it.
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I got three kids, threegrandchildren.
Okay, understood, got it.
We got to make money.
But we shouldn't have tosurround ourselves around a
bunch of lazy people sucking theshit out of everything around
us.
Right, particularly energy.
Energy is such a resource that?
I don't think we.
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I think it's underrated, right.
I think we need to talk moreabout, you know, positive energy
and how that affects andradiates, right?
Just it radiates and it'scontagious just just as much,
and it's easier than negativevibes.
It is so much easier to bepositive and have a positive
outlook on things than it is toradiate negative energy and it's
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like misery enjoys misery.
You know company, right, likeit, just it, it just that's,
that's just the way it is, youknow.
So we can't, we can't letnegativity and and negative
people, negative thoughts, enterinto our circle.
I'm not saying it's not goingto happen, and sometimes they
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don't slip through the cracksbecause it has and it will, it
will continue to happen.
But now that we're more awareof it, that's, I think half the
battle is us figuring out.
And again, you know we've talkedabout this at my new year's
resolution this year was and Istill am right Remove in
negative, non-conducive peopleplaces things in situation.
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My goal wasn't to set moregoals and stack shit on top of
shit and break all these littlemini promises to myself.
So then I feel like even moreshit.
Now I'm done with that cycle,I'm breaking the cycle, and one
of my resolutions was to was tostop stuffing which sometimes
steps on people's toes andsometimes it gets uncomfortable.
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You know what?
I don't give a shit because I'mcarrying this shit around and I
know what's going to happen ifI don't say something now.
I'd rather step on your toesnow than step on your grave
later.
So let's just get out of theway, let's clear the air and
move on.
Right, I love you, still loveyou, but this bothers me.
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Sometimes that's simple orarticulate a story into it.
Like, hey, one time I was in aposition like you were and I
worked for an asshole, just likeyou or like me, and I had to
deal with some little whatever.
Whatever the case might be,right, you can figure it out.
We're all a bunch ofmanipulators and salesmen and
women out there.
I'm sure we can figure it outsomehow.
So rule number six and this issomething I haven't done and
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I've been meaning to do this ispost a sign that says no energy
vampires allowed.
Quit sucking the life out ofall the rest of us, please.
Right, let's stop.
Do that.
Protect our team's energy,protect your own energy.
Right, by calling out toxicbehaviors.
Right, if there's someone toxiclike, dude, we had to call that
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shit out.
I think there was a situationover at shop this morning or
last night.
It's like you know what.
Deal with it.
Like, call that shit out.
Like you don't have to do it infront of everybody, but pull
them in.
Like, look, dude, we don't needthat shit.
Like you're still acting likeyou want to be a part of the
problem.
Right, you are a part of theproblem.
Like, did you come to me withany form of solution whatsoever?
Are you just going to sit thereand bitch about it and talk
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shit and stab everybody in theback about it?
Are you actually going to stepup and be a part of the of the
solution?
Right, and it sucks when, whenyou get sucked into that
negative vibe and listen a lotof times, it's really hard to
get out of it.
It's really hard.
It almost seems like it's the.
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It almost seems like it's theeasier thing to do.
But man, I've been there, I didthat.
I've allowed it to affect myhealth, my eating habits, my
exercise.
Like it affects every aspect,negativity affects every aspect
of your life, of your life.
If you don't wake up right, I'mnot saying I wake up and I feel
like woohoo and all chipper andstuff like that.
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I wake up and my shit is sore.
Right, I'm sore, it takes me aminute.
It takes, you know, but I'vegotten into some better habits
where it doesn't take me as longto start focusing on the
positive things and I think whathappens is as individuals, over
stuffing things over so manyyears and decades, right Like we
have our only I don't even wantto say option or resource, but
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to wake up in a negative light.
It's like like I almost feellike we haven't put ourselves in
enough positive situations forus to wake up in a positive mood
, because I think just waking upin general, I think we all
enjoy just sleeping and relaxingand resting and things like
that.
So you know, I stopped using analarm clock a year and a half,
two years ago.
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I used to set like two or three, four or five alarm clocks.
Man, and I swear to you, man,it would, I'd wake up pissed off
.
I used to set like two or three, four or five alarm clocks, man
, and I swear to you, man, itwould, I'd wake up pissed off.
I don't give a shit, it wouldjust piss me off Like it would.
Just it would.
You know.
Not that I would again, notthat I wouldn't get over it, but
it took me a hell of a lotlonger.
So I get up at the same timeevery day, on Saturday, sunday,
doesn't matter.
I've been doing it.
I've been doing it for decades.
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So why do I, why do I need toact like a child still in school
, right, unless I'm doing thingsin the evening that I shouldn't
be doing, staying up too late,all those things.
But if you're a professionaland in a professional atmosphere
, you probably shouldn't be outdoing things that you shouldn't
be doing, where you still haveto come home and set an alarm
clock.
I don't know, just my personalthoughts on that.
And if you're trying to reallydo big things, right, if you're,
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you got to get up before thesun gets up, right, you got to
get up before everybody elsegets up.
That just one thing I've alwayslived by, and and you know,
early bird gets the worm, youknow.
So, anyhow, again, food forthought.
Rule number seven is enthusiasmattracts more passengers and
energizes them during the ride.
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I think we pretty much covereda lot of that stuff, right.
Energy positive energy attractspositive energy.
I mean, it's really a nobrainer, you know, and and
honestly I feel like the bookcould have been a children's
book.
You know what I mean.
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But here I'm an adult in anadult body, I should say,
because the six inches betweenmy ears still acts like and
thinks like a child.
I need shit broken out inlayman's terms, right, I need
someone to tell me that energyis contagious.
I need someone to tell me thatI set the tone.
You know, in Baker you say whendaddy gets home, he sets the
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tone.
It is no different when I getto work, it's no different when
I get here.
If I'm a miserable mess that isso contagious, I'm
unapproachable.
Nobody wants to be around.
That shit, you know it's.
Just, I don't know it's and Idon't like feeling that way
anymore.
Number eight, and this issomething that I've, I've, I
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think we do, I think we all do areally good job around here
with this.
But it's love your passengers,right.
I really truly feel like, um,we build a culture of of love.
Um, you know, and it's it'stough to talk about that in the
construction industry, likewe're usually out in the field,
right, but what I mean by thatis that people will go an extra
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mile when they feel seen, valuedand appreciated.
Right and that is a statisticalfact that that is just not my
opinion.
Right, if they seen, if theyfeel seen, if they feel valued,
if they feel appreciated.
And again, I'm not the mostperfect.
I get wrapped up in my shit,shit gets difficult, blah, blah,
blah.
Whatever the case might be.
But I also don't want tosurround myself around people
(36:25):
that need a pat on the fuckingass every 2.3 seconds either,
like grow some balls.
Okay, I'm going through someshit right now.
I need you to carry the torchof the energy while my doors are
closed, dealing with some shitthat you probably caused any
fucking hell.
Go and spread the joy.
Okay, go spread the joy for me.
And what's cool is is that Iknow Vic has done that, glenn
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has done that for me, baker hasdone that, kim has done that for
me, and Kim has also let melose my shit on her too and not
acted like a little soft-skinnedslope head or not.
What's that?
Smooth head?
Smooth head?
Yeah, smooth head.
I don't even know where thehell I came from.
Julie was saying that one day.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Smooth brain.
Ty Cobb Backer (37:07):
Smooth brain, yeah, whatever, one day.
Smooth brain, yeah, whatever,sorry, smooth brain, yeah.
So, anyhow, I I could onlyenvision what was those eggheads
on um saturday night, live,cone heads, yeah.
When she said that, that's whatI pictured was uh, cone heads
on from now.
I'm showing my age because thatwas a long time ago, but,
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anyhow, love your passengerslike everybody you, you know,
and this is thing too.
So, ceo, chief energy officer,everybody can take this with
them.
I don't care what position, Idon't care if you're a janitor
cleaning fricking toilets at thehigh school.
Everybody has the opportunityto be a CEO.
Everybody has the opportunityto be a chief energy officer.
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You know, have you put a smileon somebody's face today?
And I'm not even trying to getall woo-woo-y and shit like that
, but I'm just saying, like youcan build empires, you could
change somebody's life.
Okay, being a janitor, put asmile on your face, you know,
just through positive energy,I'm telling you it is a mountain
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mover, right, a mountain mover.
So, anyhow, number nine, drivewith purpose.
Okay, purpose driven right, notnecessarily money driven right.
I hate when I see people post Idid this much revenue, that's
awesome.
Good, that's great.
Usually somebody that's been inbusiness for about a year or
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two, or three or four, maybefour.
Right, 80% of us roofingcontractors go out of business
in the first four or five yearsbecause of that right.
Chasing the money.
Find your purpose, bepurpose-driven.
Purpose is fuel and I'm tellingyou it keeps you going.
When challenges come, okay, thepurpose.
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And again, challenge.
Somebody asked me how do you doit?
How do you get through it?
Well, I don't stay fixated onthe 5%.
I focus on the 95%.
Right, the 95.
And don't sweat the small shit.
Right, try not to.
And again, every day I work onthis.
I am not perfect at it, by nomeans.
But again, here I am.
I can hear myself through theheadphones.
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I'm listening.
I'm hearing myself say thisshit.
Okay, anyhow.
Number 10, last but not least,have fun and enjoy the ride.
Right, celebrate the journey.
Energy comes from joy.
Right, rule 62.
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For those of you that know whatrule 62 is, rule 62, my friend,
is do not take yourself so damnserious.
You're not that important.
You're just not that damnimportant.
You know what I mean.
And I'll get myself all jammedup.
I'll take myself so damnserious.
I need to be perfect, I need tobe there.
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I need to do this.
I dropped the ball there.
Da, da, da, da, da da, okay.
So the biggest shift for anyleader right, is realizing that
nobody's going to come save you,okay, no one's coming to save
us.
That means own your attitude,own your vision and your
decisions.
If you make a piss poordecision, deal with it.
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If somebody else on your teammakes a piss poor decision, deal
with it right.
Help them deal with that Right,even if you know what they were
going to do was wrong.
I've done it, I've seen it.
Sometimes you just got to letthem do it Right, and other
times I have been wrong, eventhough I thought that they were
doing it the wrong way.
But it turned out way betterthan I thought that or expected
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it to turn out.
So sometimes you just got totake the back seat.
And that's probably one of thebiggest things, too, is learning
how to not only be a goodleader, but learning how to
follow Right.
And I've, I've thrown, I'vewielded that big leader sword
out there and right and, andjust contradicted everything
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that everybody was saying andand, uh, it went to shit.
Okay, then that's even harderto recover from.
Okay, because I didn't want tofollow.
I didn't want to takesuggestions from somebody right,
one of my co-members,co-leaders and nope, we're doing
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it this way, that's it Right,and it turned to shit.
But then yet I expect them tohelp me clean my shit up, okay.
So let's put the shoe on theother foot once, right?
I'm sure they're talking shitunder their breath Like I knew
all along that they shouldn'thave did this way, but, being in
the position that I'm in,sometimes I have to let people
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make a mess.
I'm in, sometimes I have to letpeople make a mess, but also I
have to be there to help themclean the mess up, okay.
And sometimes they make a messthat I don't even know what they
were doing because, again, Itrust I empower right People to
to make decisions.
I decentralized the command alittle bit and shit happens,
right.
I could stand there, I couldscream, I could jump up and down
(42:10):
shit.
I've even gone to the extent ofjust completely ignoring
somebody for a month.
None of that is healthy, noneof that is conducive.
And what have we all learnedfrom it?
Not a damn thing, really.
I found the best thing to do isjump in, help out, figure out
what we did wrong.
What can we learn from it?
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Right, I mean, that's, that'sprobably the biggest thing, um,
you know, there, there was atime when I thought things.
You know, we talked about thisa little bit and I started
really thinking about it.
I thought there was a timewhere I thought things happened
to me, you know, but this book,this book has really reminded me
that.
You know, um, that things areactually happening through me.
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It's it's up to me to steer thebus, and once you're in the
driver's seat, you got to figureout where you're going and
who's coming with you.
Right, like I, I can make andI've talked about this before.
I can make any situation asgood as I want, or I can make it
as bad as I want, and today Ichoose to make it better.
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You're the driver of your bus,okay.
You set the tone, you controlthe energy, and when you bring
positive positivity, the vision,the purpose, you don't just
build a company, build amovement, and I really feel like
that.
We've done that here.
I feel like we've built amovement, right.
So, if you haven't read theenergy bus yet, pick one up.
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I gave one to Lauren.
Lauren's never given it back,which she doesn't have to, even
though I bust her ass every nowand then that she needs to
probably pick it up more often.
I should probably share it witha couple other people, but it
you better get it, pass it on.
Pass it on to your team.
Start the conversation, askwho's on your bus, who needs to
get off and where the heck arewe going?
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Like figure, we got to figureout which way.
Where we're going, right,because where we're not here to
just do jobs, right we're.
We're here to change lives.
I've said that forever rightFor good, for better, for worse,
right.
So anyhow, thank you guys.
So much for tuning in to BeyondTool Belt.
If you got anything out of thisepisode today, all right, share
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it with somebody on your bus.
And, hey, keep your energy high, your vision clear and your
crew rolling in the samedirection.
Catch you guys next time.
And we are live.
Welcome back everybody toBeyond the Tool Belt, episode
293.
I'm your host, ty Cobb-Backer.
Thank you for joining us onthis Wednesday edition.
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episode 293, behind the ToolBelt.
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And I don't know if it's rained yet this week,
which is kind of unusual for us,but welcome back everybody.
Thank you for joining us onthis Wednesday edition.
This is the show where we getreal about leadership mindset
and building something thatlasts, not just on the job site
but in life.
Today's episode, it's going tobe all about energy, and no, I'm
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not talking about solar panelsand battery backups.
I'm actually talking aboutenergy that a leader should
bring as a team builder and asthe person looks when things get
(01:54):
tough right.
Things aren't always as easy asthings may appear from the
outside, and what I've donerecently here was is I picked, I
picked the book back up andsome of you may have heard me
talk about the energy bus byJohn Gordon and let me tell you
(02:14):
it.
It rocked me.
It rocked me again and I'mhonestly I I read it and then
I'm I've been listening to it onmy way to work and on my way
home from work every single dayfor probably about a month and
literally, if you sit down toread a book, it's a short read.
It would probably take youmaybe an hour if you're a really
(02:36):
good, fast reader.
But for me it's a book thatI've studied and I've taken
notes and I thought today Iwould break those notes out of
the archives.
And as I've been reviewingthose notes over the past
several weeks, I've added my ownlittle interpretations of
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certain things.
And by all means I'm notperfect at any of these.
I still have shortcomings, Istill have character defects.
I am definitely a work inprogress.
But when I read it it rocked meso much, probably I don't know,
a couple of years ago, so much,that I've added the title to my
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email signature Chief EnergyOfficer, yep CEO.
And why is?
Because I believe that thenumber one job of a leader is to
fuel their team and I've known,I've known that, I've known
that part for a long time.
I've watched my negativityspread amongst the team, I've
watched other team membersnegativity spread amongst the
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team and I've also watched mypositivity spread.
And I've also watched mypositivity spread and I've also
watched other team membersnegativity spread across, you
know, the company like wildfire.
So I thought I'd pick this bookup, you know, because it kind
of was the play for me doingjust that bringing back the
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energy.
You know.
So because, um, because todayI'm hopping back on the energy
bus, right, um, I'm going tobreak down the, the 10 rules, my
interpretation of the 10 rules,and share how they've hit home
for me, and and give you knowpractical ways, uh, to put this
mind, this type of mindset, intoplay and how I've tried to
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apply it.
And again, this mind, this typeof mindset, into play and how
I've tried to apply it.
And again, I've I've not, I'venot been perfect at any of this.
And and again, I mean you knowreviewing, you know a couple of
these things that I've learnedalong the way.
It's a reminder for me as wellthat I need to practice these
principles pretty much.
You know, in all my fairs,whether it's on the roof,
whether it's in the truck,whether it's at the dinner table
(04:44):
, you know, I, I need topractice these, these, some of
these principles.
And you know, in the book itdoesn't necessarily have broken
out.
You know rule number one, rulenumber two.
So you, you kind of gotta, yougotta listen, you gotta pay
attention and and you gotta jotthings down Like I do.
I study books right now.
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I'm also studying a book rightnow by Philip Hum.
Now, I don't think he has anyaudible stuff, but it is the
storytelling for business and itis so good and again, it's a
short read, but the importanceof the story behind the business
, having and discussingrelatable stories about you,
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about projects to the homeowner,to your team, and how you can
articulate your message betterthrough storytelling sometimes,
because people can relate tostories right Like they may have
experienced something like thatwhere it kind of just resonates
really well with them.
So, anyhow, reading has beenone of the biggest, probably
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game changers in my personal andprofessional career that I've
ever done, whether it was, youknow, self-help, improvement,
you know, stuff that you know,and it always seems like there's
12 steps, there's 12 rulesthere's, or there's 10 steps or
seven pillars, there's, you know, there's these, these
guidelines, you know, and I wasactually going to discuss, you
(06:15):
know, some of them today becauseI was on the horn with Brian
Good earlier this morning and Iwas like all right man, I got to
get wrapped up here because Ineed to finalize what it is that
you know we're going to discussover the podcast today.
And and I said to Brian what doyou, what do you want, what do
you want me to, what would youlike me to talk about today?
(06:35):
And the first thing that cameout of his mouth and thank you
know, thank goodness and Godbless, brian he was like I love
it when I hear you talk aboutleadership.
I was like, okay, I can do that, I enjoy that.
I prefer one-on-one withsomebody so I can see their
reactions and that way I knowwhich kind of direction to go
(06:56):
and see if what I'm saying isactually resonating with them.
So I find it a little moredifficult to talk about
leadership through podcasts,where I can't actually see
people's you know, facialimpressions or their body
gestures and things like that,because I like to read people
kind of like.
I feel like I enjoy speaking tocrowds of people as well,
(07:19):
because I can kind of read theroom as well too and know which
way we need to take this kind ofread the room as well, too, and
know which way we need to takethis, because I have been on
many, many, many, many manydifferent journeys over my life
and a majority of that,thankfully, has been sober and
trying to lead businesses andthings like that.
(07:42):
So, but I like to share littlenuggets with with people,
especially those that are veryclose to me on how I've dealt
with adversity, how I gotthrough things, and not always
just sharing about the losses,but also sharing about the wins.
And I and I feel like that'swhat's separated this podcast a
lot from a lot of differentpodcasts is that, when you know
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our guests come on, or if it'sjust me talking, you know, I, I,
I'd like to be as truthful andand just share my experience,
strength and hope, and and andhopefully it will inspire, you
know, someone else to, um, youknow, do great things or or even
get them through a dark time intheir life, because we, we all,
go through it.
I don't give a shit man, andunfortunately, social media
(08:25):
today only shows highlight reels, you know, and we try to do the
exact opposite of that here andcontinuously personally
improving myself and in hopesthat by me focusing on that, I
can improve the quality ofsomebody else's life.
Focusing on that, I can improvethe quality of somebody else's
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life.
So, anyhow, the 10 rules forthe ride of your life on the
energy bus.
So, anyhow, rule number one andit's very simple it's that
you're the driver of the bus,and I think we all know that.
Right, we all were the driverof our bus.
We're the driver of ourdestination.
If we tell ourselves something,that we can't do something,
we're not going to do it, we'renot, it's not going to happen.
Because you continuously tellyourself that we're not going to
(09:10):
do something, right, but if youtell yourself that I'm going to
do this, I can do this.
The, the, the power of positivethinking is amazing.
I mean it is.
You know.
Of course, I've been fueled upto by, by others telling me that
I can't do something.
You know what I mean.
But I think you can also allowthat to affect you in a negative
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way as well, and it you'llstart telling yourself you've
heard enough that you're a pieceof shit and you're going to be
nothing.
You know you.
You start thinking that,unfortunately, right, and that's
why it's important to surroundyourself around positive people.
You know, and you know, takeownership, take ownership of
your life, take ownership ofyour leadership, and no one else
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is steering this for you, right?
Just because of outsidecircumstances shouldn't.
Outside circumstances shouldn'tnecessarily affect how you feel
, okay, and and I recently gotto to practice that, right, like
yep, shit's on fire over here,right, and I think that's the
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difference between a goodleadership and poor leadership
is that I can sit in the middleof the fire, the burning house
right, and calmly sit therewhile everything is on fire
around me, while right, there'sother people who are freaking
the fuck out and and and runningfor the Hills, right.
But being able to take a stepback, take a deep breath and and
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and focus on, right, obviously,how to put the fire out.
But you know to to elaboratemore on that, that analogy, but
but also you know to toelaborate more on that, that
analogy, but but also, you know,usually it's not everything,
it's not your complete world,it's not your entire world.
Yes, let's just say my houseburnt down.
Ok, that one.
First and foremost, that thatis a thing.
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Ok, it's just a thing, right?
Yep, I might lose somepossessions in my house, but the
important thing is, is that Ididn't die, the I might lose
some possessions in my house,but the important thing is is
that I didn't die?
The important thing is is thatmy family's not injured?
The important thing is is thatwe'll be able to probably afford
another house because we haveinsurance on the house today.
So, as I go down this list ofall these other positive things,
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right, and see, that's where Ithink we get.
We get messed up as human beingsis that we get so fixated on
the burning house that we're noteven really looking at the
things that are most importantto us, right, really, at the end
of the day, right, my, my, myfamily's healthy, I'm healthy,
eventually we'll, we'll findanother place to live.
I'm sure people will step inand help us, and those people,
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right, the first ones that showup to make sure that we're okay,
that that is who's important,those are the ones that that we
need to be grateful for.
Those are the people that weknow that, no matter what, will
show up when the house is onfire.
And recently we kind of got toexperience something like that
where the house not necessarilyand I know that sounds pretty
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devastating to a lot of peoplebut okay, so that's 5%.
The 95% of everything else thathas gone well, that is going
well, that's going to go well,right?
Typically, when that happens tous, when we feel like it's
happening to us, it's actuallyhappening for us, because
typically, when something likethat happens, you end up with
like, instead of like a singlestory rancher now, you end up
with like, you know that, 1700square feet.
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Now you end up with, like youknow that, 1700 square feet.
Now you end up with, like Idon't know how or why this works
this way.
You end up with like a 4,000two-story house with like a
five-car garage, like that isjust how, and even you don't
even see it, and you're going tobitch.
Probably, if you're anythinglike I am, you're going to bitch
because it's too big, or it'sfive minutes further away from
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work, or you're going to pointout like every single flaw,
right, you know.
Or let's say, it's even smaller, right At first we're like, oh,
it's smaller, it doesn't haveenough bedrooms, and it's like,
dude, and I was just blessedwith a gift from the universe
with another house that somebodyprobably gave me.
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They had an extra house and Iknow that's kind of far-fetched,
but I'm just saying it alwaysseems to like work out, maybe
not the way that I think itshould work out, and that's the
problem is I, it's the sixinches between my ears that
screws up all that energy, youknow.
And getting back to why I putthat in my signatures, because I
email a lot today, you knowmore than I probably ever have
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before and, quite honestly, likeI probably work on other things
in the business harder than Idid early on in business too,
only because we've been in anexpansion growth mode for
forever, and I have to watch myreactions more now than I have
ever have.
And that's what I mean by likethat personal development, that
personal working, that work thatI have to put in to myself in
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order to maintain while thehouse is on fire, okay, and and
have a clear direction and be asdecisive as I possibly can be.
So that that's rule number oneYou're the driver.
You're the driver of your bus.
Rule number two is desire,vision, focus and focus.
Move your bus in the rightdirection Right, get clear on
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the goals and obsess, obsess Ican't express that enough Obsess
over your goals.
Ok, I think where most peopleget hemmed up is is like that
first sign of pain, that firstsign of growth, right, which is
pain.
Through, through pain comesgrowth.
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Can't, can't have growthwithout pain.
I'm sorry, kiddos, I am sorry.
My body hurts so fricking badright now that I honestly felt
like I had the flu.
Okay, and why I'm bringing thatup is because I've been pushing
myself so, so, terribly hard,because there's something wrong
with the six inches between myears that I thought at the end
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of this fearless 44, that I wasgoing to look like a, a 32 year
old, rip shit brick house, likeI don't know what I was thinking
.
But so I'm pushing, work, we'regetting down to it, you know,
getting down to the wire here.
I think we have four or fivedays left, right, so I'm pushing
, I'm pushing, I'm pushing, I'mpushing, I'm pushing, I'm
pushing myself and I'm notseeing the results fast enough.
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Okay, but I do know, with mybiceps, my triceps, and as sore
as they are right now, I knowthrough that pain there's going
to be growth.
I know that and that's kind ofwhat motivates me.
And it's like, especially whenit comes to working out, like
you go through these plateaus,right, like at first you might
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start feeling ripped and youfeel that swole and you feel a
little bulky, and then, about aweek or two into it, like that
goes away, right, like you stopseeing that, that swole goes
away.
And it's like a lot of peopledon't know how to handle that
situation.
Right, it's got okay.
So now it's time for me to bumpmy weights up.
It's, it's it's time for me tohit that muscle from a different
direction.
That means do, do.
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Do I do skull crushers?
Do I have to do curls?
Which way am I holding the curlright?
Am I holding it flat?
Am I, am I bringing it this way?
And a lot of people don't knowthat you have three heads, right
, you got I can't the brachialis, the whatever, but there's
three heads on your arm thatthat form and give you the shape
and the size of your arms.
Well, you got to work on allthree of them.
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You can't just continuously dohammer curls like this.
You got to switch it up.
Sometimes you got to dopreacher curls.
Sometimes you have to doincline curls, right, just to
hit it somehow some waydifferently.
Right, so you do some moreresearch, right, maybe you ask
somebody that's been doing it alot longer than you, right, just
so you don't give up.
But again, some people, mostpeople, myself included I start
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feeling that I startexperiencing that little bit of
that pain.
Okay, that obsession starts togo away.
It's like oh man, this, this ispainful.
I didn't realize it was goingto require this much work to, to
to get through this, to lose 10pounds, to create an empire.
To to buy a car.
To to afford a home to whatever?
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And buying a house, dude, thatshit's not easy.
The paperwork right, and theyask you the same questions over
and over and over and over andover, dealing with the bank and
underwriters.
I don't even think underwritersare real people, I think it's
just an excuse that your bankeruses just to stall shit because
they went on vacation orwhatever the case is.
But like, but, dude, introducedme to this fricking underwriter
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, please, cause I'll dot hiseyes and cross his fricking T's
for him.
But anyhow, I'm just saying youknow, like it just it's a lot
of work and some people justcan't, don't have the energy,
don't have the time or whatever,whatever.
The stupid ass excuses that wetell ourselves on a day-to-day
basis.
Right, we got to grind throughit, right, Anything, man, I wish
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I could think of that.
How that's saying anythingworth fighting for is worth.
I don't know the pain, anythingwhatever, but I'm sure you know,
understand, so desire, visionand focus.
You know on which direction youwant the bus to go.
And obsess, obsess over it.
You, you have to obsess over it.
So rule number three is fuel,fuel, fuel your ride with
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positive energy.
Right, everything, energy,energy is everything.
Okay, you either uplift yourteam or you drain them.
And and energy is the mostimportant currency as any
manager, as any boss, as anyleader, as any entrepreneur
could possibly have.
Yep, you can have all thegreatest KPIs, sops, and they
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don't mean shit.
They don't mean shit if yourculture is shit.
Okay, if your culture is shitand the energy is shit, they're
not going to follow the KPIs,they're not going to, they're
not going to uphold the SOPs.
They're not going to do any ofthose things.
If, if your culture or theenergy sucks, I I've I've seen
it, I've experienced it, I'vecreated it.
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Um, but I can tell you this forthe longest time, we didn't
necessarily have KPIs or KPIdashboard or a way to track
things, and we didn'tnecessarily have all of our SOPs
documented.
But the one thing that I cantell you that we had a part of
that ingredient was was ourculture.
Okay, and that is moreimportant, you will get through
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anything and I mean anythingdoesn't doesn't matter how
devastating it is within yourorganization If you have a good
core group of people within yourorganization that are amongst
that.
That you have articulated yourvision to that you have
articulated the direction,articulated the core values of
what it is that we're actuallydoing here.
You can accomplish anything.
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Is there a slight hesitation orsomething?
Yeah, okay, I think so too,cause it's funny because I'm
watching my mouth.
Yeah, not, yeah, like we'rewatching.
What are the?
The old Chinese Kung Fu, kungFu movie.
Yeah, sorry, sorry.
So if my mouth isn't movingwith my words here, let me get a
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sip here Quick, hmm, sorry.
So if my mouth isn't movingwith my words here, let me get a
sip here quick, hmm, okay, rulenumber four.
Rule number four and I strugglewith this.
I struggle with all these.
By the way, I'm not perfect.
I suck a lot, a lot of times Ido, but that's why I reach it
like this, over and over andover, cause I have a very thick
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skull.
I do, I really do so.
Rule number four is invitepeople on your bus and share
your vision for the road ahead.
Vision casting attracts theright passengers and repels the
wrong ones.
Right and again, anybody thatworks for us, that works with me
, that has been a part of thisestablishment, knows that we've
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kept the wrong people around forentirely too long.
Most of that my fault.
Right, because nobody likesconfrontation, but not knowing
how detrimental that was to ourculture, not knowing how badly
that was actually holding usback.
And I think again, we recentlygot to experience that.
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You know it's so funny, youknow, when changes like that
come, one you get to see theteam rally, one you get to see
the team rally right, and in thefellowshipping and the
camaraderie, that camaraderie,we're going to kick everybody's
ass.
Let's go Right.
And again, getting back to you,can you can accomplish anything
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, anything is possible with withthe right team, and having the
right team is so important, sodetrimental to so many things on
so many different levels.
And so, yeah, to make sureyou're inviting the right people
, you know, and sharing thatvision to the best of your
ability.
I know I suffer and strugglewith.
You know I've talked about thecemetery across the parking lot
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here, where I've used that as ananalogy, where you know I am
guilty of just, you know,telling someone to go over to
that cemetery over there andthey're kind of like, ok, and
they'll go over, no problem, butthey'll be wondering and asking
themselves, why does he want meto come over to the cemetery
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over here, when I should havesaid, hey, there's a cemetery
across the parking lot over here, and every time the wind blows,
the tree branches blow acrossthe top of this tombstone and
it's damaging it.
Right, just that little bit ofmore information.
Like, I need you to go overthere, I need you to trim these
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branches up.
Okay, so now they're prettypumped, they're like, oh shit, I
need a chainsaw and just, andthey run over there.
Hopefully they get over thereand they start trimming up this
tree.
And as they're there, if you'vechosen now, this is this is
this is.
This is very important here Ifyou have chosen the right people
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to come on the bus, they'llopen their eyes when they get
over there and realize thatthere's two or three other trees
over there doing the same exactthing.
So either they'll ask whichisn't a bad thing They'll ask,
hey, do you want me to cleanthese other trees up?
Absolutely, do that.
I didn't take notice, I missedthat part.
Yep, they're going to take careof it.
So, instead of just going overthere and cutting down one limb
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off the oak tree over there,they've noticed, they recognize,
but meanwhile they're overthere.
They discover that there'sleaves all over everything.
Not only the tombstones thatstand up out of the ground were
getting damaged, but thosetombstones that just kind of lay
flat to the ground, you know,you know which ones I'm talking
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about.
You can almost step on themsometimes.
And if you don't see them, ifyou're not paying attention,
well, while they're over there,they discovered that the leaves
are covering these up.
So, without even asking, theygo and get a rake and they start
raking things up.
Right, because you've chosen theright people.
But you can have the rightpeople but not articulate the
message, the direction, bedecisive.
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Again, guilty, guilty as hell.
But I've been doing this longenough to I've actually got to
see people on our team do thatto other people within the
organization as well.
Right, which is cool, because Igot to experience it.
And getting back to the PhilipHum book right, it's not just
about marketing, it's about howwe speak with people.
It.
And getting back to the PhilipHum book right, it's not just
about marketing, it's about howwe speak with people, but
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sharing my experience, strengthand hope with that individual
saying hey, you know, sometimeswe've got to be a little more
decisive, and sometimes thatalso has to come from me to them
, so then they can articulatethat message to the rest of the
team.
Right, right, becausetechnically and somebody said it
to me this morning Ben said Ishould be creating my
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replacement, absolutely,absolutely.
He needs such a superior salesteam around him, right?
That sorry, hold on one secondthat he needs to have such a
great sales team around him sohe doesn't have to do sales
anymore.
Ben shouldn't have to do salessales manager, right?
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So he should be looking for hisreplacement as he went from
salesperson to sales manager andwe touched on that a little bit
.
The mindset change and that's awhole complete other topic for
another, another podcast here.
But number four just make sureyou got the right people on the
bus and know what seats.
You know learning, learning howto put them in the right seats
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and making sure that we're as asmanagers, bosses, whatever you
want to call it right.
Make sure we're putting them inthe right seats and we're
giving them the right message.
Right To relate to the rest ofthe team, and that's called
decentralized command rightJocko Willink talks about it all
the time and empowering them tomake decisions and being okay
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with them making mistakes.
It happens.
It happens all the time.
I've done more wrong than rightover the years and you've heard
me talk about that, and I couldgo down a hole.
I should.
We should have an episode ofall the things I've screwed up,
but what good came out of them?
Right, and that's usually whathappens.
The lessons learned?
Or the 4,000 square foot housewith the five car garage
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metaphor, metaphorically Right,like how shit turned into key
lime pie?
I don't know, I do too.
I freaking love Key Lime Pie.
So that leads us to rule numberfive Don't waste your energy on
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those who don't get on your bus.
Okay, they're not meeting ushalfway.
And I am so guilty I'm sofricking guilty of dumping time,
energy, resources into peopleCause I like them, they're good,
they're a good person, justlazy as hell.
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Yeah, I've even said shit likethat to myself, where it's like
I like them as a human being andI've kept them around even
though I've got used and abusedand manipulated, and usually
that's what it is.
It's not.
I don't think it usually comesout to incompetency.
Like I have, I have patienceand tolerance for somebody who
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has a learning disability Like I.
Will be the first one to drawit for you, draw a map.
But if they're not even willingto step up, if they're not even
willing to pick up the book, ifthey're not even willing to
open up the laptop, if they'renot even willing to screw up,
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right, then number one thing isis is you got to get them off
the bus gently, open up the backdoor and push them out?
Right, and I hate to say that,but it's like, while you're
focusing all your time andenergy on that one individual
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who everyone else sees is takingadvantage of the situation.
Everybody else is watching it,everybody, and again, guilty,
guilty as charged.
Okay, everything and everyoneelse is suffering.
Okay, because we're dumping allthis time, energy, resources,
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all into the individual whoreally just doesn't give a shit
and it's just here for apaycheck, right, and I would
like to think people join us formore than just paycheck.
Don't get me wrong.
We all need to eat, we all needto feed our children, we all
need to put shoes, school'scoming, we got to go school
shopping.
We got to do all that stuff.
Okay, trust me, I get it.
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I got three kids, threegrandchildren.
Okay, understood, got it.
We got to make money.
But we shouldn't have tosurround ourselves around a
bunch of lazy people sucking theshit out of everything around
us.
Right, particularly energy.
Energy is such a resource that?
I don't think we.
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I think it's underrated, right.
I think we need to talk moreabout, you know, positive energy
and how that affects andradiates, right?
Just it radiates and it'scontagious just just as much,
and it's easier than negativevibes.
It is so much easier to bepositive and have a positive
outlook on things than it is toradiate negative energy and it's
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like misery enjoys misery.
You know company, right, likeit, just it, it just that's,
that's just the way it is, youknow.
So we can't, we can't letnegativity and and negative
people, negative thoughts, enterinto our circle.
I'm not saying it's not goingto happen, and sometimes they
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don't slip through the cracksbecause it has and it will, it
will continue to happen.
But now that we're more awareof it, that's, I think half the
battle is us figuring out.
And again, you know we've talkedabout this at my new year's
resolution this year was and Istill am right Remove in
negative, non-conducive peopleplaces things in situation.
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My goal wasn't to set moregoals and stack shit on top of
shit and break all these littlemini promises to myself.
So then I feel like even moreshit.
Now I'm done with that cycle,I'm breaking the cycle, and one
of my resolutions was to was tostop stuffing which sometimes
steps on people's toes andsometimes it gets uncomfortable.
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You know what?
I don't give a shit because I'mcarrying this shit around and I
know what's going to happen ifI don't say something now.
I'd rather step on your toesnow than step on your grave
later.
So let's just get out of theway, let's clear the air and
move on.
Right, I love you, still loveyou, but this bothers me.
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Sometimes that's simple orarticulate a story into it.
Like, hey, one time I was in aposition like you were and I
worked for an asshole, just likeyou or like me, and I had to
deal with some little whatever.
Whatever the case might be,right, you can figure it out.
We're all a bunch ofmanipulators and salesmen and
women out there.
I'm sure we can figure it outsomehow.
So rule number six and this issomething I haven't done and
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I've been meaning to do this ispost a sign that says no energy
vampires allowed.
Quit sucking the life out ofall the rest of us, please.
Right, let's stop.
Do that.
Protect our team's energy,protect your own energy.
Right, by calling out toxicbehaviors.
Right, if there's someone toxiclike, dude, we had to call that
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shit out.
I think there was a situationover at shop this morning or
last night.
It's like you know what.
Deal with it.
Like, call that shit out.
Like you don't have to do it infront of everybody, but pull
them in.
Like, look, dude, we don't needthat shit.
Like you're still acting likeyou want to be a part of the
problem.
Right, you are a part of theproblem.
Like, did you come to me withany form of solution whatsoever?
Are you just going to sit thereand bitch about it and talk
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shit and stab everybody in theback about it?
Are you actually going to stepup and be a part of the of the
solution?
Right, and it sucks when, whenyou get sucked into that
negative vibe and listen a lotof times, it's really hard to
get out of it.
It's really hard.
It almost seems like it's the.
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It almost seems like it's theeasier thing to do.
But man, I've been there, I didthat.
I've allowed it to affect myhealth, my eating habits, my
exercise.
Like it affects every aspect,negativity affects every aspect
of your life, of your life.
If you don't wake up right, I'mnot saying I wake up and I feel
like woohoo and all chipper andstuff like that.
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I wake up and my shit is sore.
Right, I'm sore, it takes me aminute.
It takes, you know, but I'vegotten into some better habits
where it doesn't take me as longto start focusing on the
positive things and I think whathappens is as individuals, over
stuffing things over so manyyears and decades, right Like we
have our only I don't even wantto say option or resource, but
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to wake up in a negative light.
It's like like I almost feellike we haven't put ourselves in
enough positive situations forus to wake up in a positive mood
, because I think just waking upin general, I think we all
enjoy just sleeping and relaxingand resting and things like
that.
So you know, I stopped using analarm clock a year and a half,
two years ago.
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I used to set like two or three, four or five alarm clocks.
Man, and I swear to you, man,it would, I'd wake up pissed off
.
I used to set like two or three, four or five alarm clocks, man
, and I swear to you, man, itwould, I'd wake up pissed off.
I don't give a shit, it wouldjust piss me off Like it would.
Just it would.
You know.
Not that I would again, notthat I wouldn't get over it, but
it took me a hell of a lotlonger.
So I get up at the same timeevery day, on Saturday, sunday,
doesn't matter.
I've been doing it.
I've been doing it for decades.
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So why do I, why do I need toact like a child still in school
, right, unless I'm doing thingsin the evening that I shouldn't
be doing, staying up too late,all those things.
But if you're a professionaland in a professional atmosphere
, you probably shouldn't be outdoing things that you shouldn't
be doing, where you still haveto come home and set an alarm
clock.
I don't know, just my personalthoughts on that.
And if you're trying to reallydo big things, right, if you're,
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you got to get up before thesun gets up, right, you got to
get up before everybody elsegets up.
That just one thing I've alwayslived by, and and you know,
early bird gets the worm, youknow.
So, anyhow, again, food forthought.
Rule number seven is enthusiasmattracts more passengers and
energizes them during the ride.
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I think we pretty much covereda lot of that stuff, right.
Energy positive energy attractspositive energy.
I mean, it's really a nobrainer, you know, and and
honestly I feel like the bookcould have been a children's
book.
You know what I mean.
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But here I'm an adult in anadult body, I should say,
because the six inches betweenmy ears still acts like and
thinks like a child.
I need shit broken out inlayman's terms, right, I need
someone to tell me that energyis contagious.
I need someone to tell me thatI set the tone.
You know, in Baker you say whendaddy gets home, he sets the
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tone.
It is no different when I getto work, it's no different when
I get here.
If I'm a miserable mess that isso contagious, I'm
unapproachable.
Nobody wants to be around.
That shit, you know it's.
Just, I don't know it's and Idon't like feeling that way
anymore.
Number eight, and this issomething that I've, I've, I
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think we do, I think we all do areally good job around here
with this.
But it's love your passengers,right.
I really truly feel like, um,we build a culture of of love.
Um, you know, and it's it'stough to talk about that in the
construction industry, likewe're usually out in the field,
right, but what I mean by thatis that people will go an extra
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mile when they feel seen, valuedand appreciated.
Right and that is a statisticalfact that that is just not my
opinion.
Right, if they seen, if theyfeel seen, if they feel valued,
if they feel appreciated.
And again, I'm not the mostperfect.
I get wrapped up in my shit,shit gets difficult, blah, blah,
blah.
Whatever the case might be.
But I also don't want tosurround myself around people
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that need a pat on the fuckingass every 2.3 seconds either,
like grow some balls.
Okay, I'm going through someshit right now.
I need you to carry the torchof the energy while my doors are
closed, dealing with some shitthat you probably caused any
fucking hell.
Go and spread the joy.
Okay, go spread the joy for me.
And what's cool is is that Iknow Vic has done that, glenn
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has done that for me, baker hasdone that, kim has done that for
me, and Kim has also let melose my shit on her too and not
acted like a little soft-skinnedslope head or not.
What's that?
Smooth head?
Smooth head?
Yeah, smooth head.
I don't even know where thehell I came from.
Julie was saying that one day.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Smooth brain.
Ty Cobb Backer (37:07):
Smooth brain, yeah, whatever, one day.
Smooth brain, yeah, whatever,sorry, smooth brain, yeah.
So, anyhow, I I could onlyenvision what was those eggheads
on um saturday night, live,cone heads, yeah.
When she said that, that's whatI pictured was uh, cone heads
on from now.
I'm showing my age because thatwas a long time ago, but,
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anyhow, love your passengerslike everybody you, you know,
and this is thing too.
So, ceo, chief energy officer,everybody can take this with
them.
I don't care what position, Idon't care if you're a janitor
cleaning fricking toilets at thehigh school.
Everybody has the opportunityto be a CEO.
Everybody has the opportunityto be a chief energy officer.
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You know, have you put a smileon somebody's face today?
And I'm not even trying to getall woo-woo-y and shit like that
, but I'm just saying, like youcan build empires, you could
change somebody's life.
Okay, being a janitor, put asmile on your face, you know,
just through positive energy,I'm telling you it is a mountain
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mover, right, a mountain mover.
So, anyhow, number nine, drivewith purpose.
Okay, purpose driven right, notnecessarily money driven right.
I hate when I see people post Idid this much revenue, that's
awesome.
Good, that's great.
Usually somebody that's been inbusiness for about a year or
(38:32):
two, or three or four, maybefour.
Right, 80% of us roofingcontractors go out of business
in the first four or five yearsbecause of that right.
Chasing the money.
Find your purpose, bepurpose-driven.
Purpose is fuel and I'm tellingyou it keeps you going.
When challenges come, okay, thepurpose.
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And again, challenge.
Somebody asked me how do you doit?
How do you get through it?
Well, I don't stay fixated onthe 5%.
I focus on the 95%.
Right, the 95.
And don't sweat the small shit.
Right, try not to.
And again, every day I work onthis.
I am not perfect at it, by nomeans.
But again, here I am.
I can hear myself through theheadphones.
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I'm listening.
I'm hearing myself say thisshit.
Okay, anyhow.
Number 10, last but not least,have fun and enjoy the ride.
Right, celebrate the journey.
Energy comes from joy.
Right, rule 62.
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For those of you that know whatrule 62 is, rule 62, my friend,
is do not take yourself so damnserious.
You're not that important.
You're just not that damnimportant.
You know what I mean.
And I'll get myself all jammedup.
I'll take myself so damnserious.
I need to be perfect, I need tobe there.
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I need to do this.
I dropped the ball there.
Da, da, da, da, da da, okay.
So the biggest shift for anyleader right, is realizing that
nobody's going to come save you,okay, no one's coming to save
us.
That means own your attitude,own your vision and your
decisions.
If you make a piss poordecision, deal with it.
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If somebody else on your teammakes a piss poor decision, deal
with it right.
Help them deal with that Right,even if you know what they were
going to do was wrong.
I've done it, I've seen it.
Sometimes you just got to letthem do it Right, and other
times I have been wrong, eventhough I thought that they were
doing it the wrong way.
But it turned out way betterthan I thought that or expected
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it to turn out.
So sometimes you just got totake the back seat.
And that's probably one of thebiggest things, too, is learning
how to not only be a goodleader, but learning how to
follow Right.
And I've, I've thrown, I'vewielded that big leader sword
out there and right and, andjust contradicted everything
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that everybody was saying andand, uh, it went to shit.
Okay, then that's even harderto recover from.
Okay, because I didn't want tofollow.
I didn't want to takesuggestions from somebody right,
one of my co-members,co-leaders and nope, we're doing
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it this way, that's it Right,and it turned to shit.
But then yet I expect them tohelp me clean my shit up, okay.
So let's put the shoe on theother foot once, right?
I'm sure they're talking shitunder their breath Like I knew
all along that they shouldn'thave did this way, but, being in
the position that I'm in,sometimes I have to let people
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make a mess.
I'm in, sometimes I have to letpeople make a mess, but also I
have to be there to help themclean the mess up, okay.
And sometimes they make a messthat I don't even know what they
were doing because, again, Itrust I empower right People to
to make decisions.
I decentralized the command alittle bit and shit happens,
right.
I could stand there, I couldscream, I could jump up and down
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shit.
I've even gone to the extent ofjust completely ignoring
somebody for a month.
None of that is healthy, noneof that is conducive.
And what have we all learnedfrom it?
Not a damn thing, really.
I found the best thing to do isjump in, help out, figure out
what we did wrong.
What can we learn from it?
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Right, I mean, that's, that'sprobably the biggest thing, um,
you know, there, there was atime when I thought things.
You know, we talked about thisa little bit and I started
really thinking about it.
I thought there was a timewhere I thought things happened
to me, you know, but this book,this book has really reminded me
that.
You know, um, that things areactually happening through me.
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It's it's up to me to steer thebus, and once you're in the
driver's seat, you got to figureout where you're going and
who's coming with you.
Right, like I, I can make andI've talked about this before.
I can make any situation asgood as I want, or I can make it
as bad as I want, and today Ichoose to make it better.
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You're the driver of your bus,okay.
You set the tone, you controlthe energy, and when you bring
positive positivity, the vision,the purpose, you don't just
build a company, build amovement, and I really feel like
that.
We've done that here.
I feel like we've built amovement, right.
So, if you haven't read theenergy bus yet, pick one up.
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I gave one to Lauren.
Lauren's never given it back,which she doesn't have to, even
though I bust her ass every nowand then that she needs to
probably pick it up more often.
I should probably share it witha couple other people, but it
you better get it, pass it on.
Pass it on to your team.
Start the conversation, askwho's on your bus, who needs to
get off and where the heck arewe going?
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Like figure, we got to figureout which way.
Where we're going, right,because where we're not here to
just do jobs, right we're.
We're here to change lives.
I've said that forever rightFor good, for better, for worse,
right.
So anyhow, thank you guys.
So much for tuning in to BeyondTool Belt.
If you got anything out of thisepisode today, all right, share
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it with somebody on your bus.
And, hey, keep your energy high, your vision clear and your
crew rolling in the samedirection.
Catch you guys next time.
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