September 24, 2024 • 29 mins
Today's podcast episode, is all about the healing potential of cannabis and CBD in cancer care and other chronic illnesses. We dive deep into how these natural therapies may help alleviate pain, reduce inflammation, and improve overall quality of life, especially when integrated into a comprehensive treatment plan.
Join me as I interview Sasha Kalcheff-Korn from Realm of Caring. Sasha will share personal stories, and break down the science behind CBD's role in supporting wellness.
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Ivelisse Page (00:06):
Hi, I'm Ivelisse Page, and thanks for listening
to the Believe Big podcast, theshow where we take a deep dive
into your healing with healthexperts, integrative
practitioners, biblical faithleaders, and cancer thrivers
from around the globe.
(00:34):
Welcome to today's episode onthe Believe Big podcast.
My name is Ivelisse Page, andit's always a pleasure to be
with you.
Today we will be discussing therole of cannabis in oncology.
Sasha Kalchev Korn's backgroundin nonprofits and education led
her in the role of Realm ofCaring.
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Long interested in theintersection between cannabis
legalization and human rights,both stateside and abroad, Sasha
is passionate about connectingindividuals to effective plant
based methodologies for medicineand care.
In her current role, Sashaserves as the executive director
for Realm of Caring, keepinginternal teams, clients, and
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community at large educated onindustry developments and
scientific advancements througheducational and research
initiatives, participating instate and federal level advocacy
efforts, and leading day to dayoperations.
When not at work, Sasha enjoysspending time with her family,
running, and discovering newrecipes to try out or eat at
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restaurants.
Welcome to the show, Sasha.
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (01:45):
Thank you.
Thanks so much for having me andhaving Realm of Caring here.
Ivelisse Page (01:49):
We always like to start the podcast with our
guest's favorite health tip.
So what would be yours?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (01:54):
I think that my favorite health tip is
try more than one thing becauseit's never going to be one
miracle pill, one miracle diet.
It's going to be a whole host ofthings and together that is
going to advance your health.
Ivelisse Page (02:11):
Yes.
I like that holistic approach.
That's what we talk about everyday.
I love it.
I love it.
Can you tell us a little bitabout your role, a little more
specifically in Realm of Caringand what inspired you to get
involved?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (02:25):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
So my journey to Realm of Caringreally started back in around
2013.
I was moved to Colorado from NewYork City and I was in a
master's program at Universityof Denver.
And I took a job as an ABAtherapist.
So providing therapy to autistickiddos.
When I had moved here and one ofthe families that I worked for
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as an ABA therapist, was one ofthe families that had moved out
to Colorado, one of the medicalrefugees who were seeking
cannabis specifically high CBD,because she had suffered from
seizures as a result ofepilepsy.
So she didn't have autism, butshe did therapy worked for her.
So I found her.
And so her mom was one of thevolunteers to help get Realm of
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Caring up and running in 2013when they were just getting
started.
And so I went into education fora while.
And then after I had my son, Ijust realized that it was no
quality of life, being ineducation, being a teacher.
And so I wanted to get back intononprofit work, which what I had
done prior.
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And I wanted to be in educationstill, and a job popped up for
Realm of Caring.
So it was very fate-like that ajob just popped up.
And so I applied and I startedas a care specialist here in
2019.
But I had also in my master'sprogram, I was my track was
human rights.
And so I had the opportunity totake courses on the consequences
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of the war on drugs andunderstanding women's roles in
those movements and as a, amother myself, it really spoke
to me and fighting for yourchild's access to medicine and
what Realm of Caring had beendoing.
And so I started working hereand I've been here ever since.
And I just, I love the work andI love what we do.
Ivelisse Page (04:12):
Yeah.
I, I recently found out aboutyou all.
And, interestingly enough, wehad been, sharing with patients,
when they were looking forcannabis and, the Charlotte's
Web, which, is the very pureform that can be used for
oncology.
And we're going to kind ofdiscuss that today because all
cannabis is not the same.
There's so many different thingsto really be cautious of and be
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aware of.
And so I'm so grateful thatyou're on to really shed light
on these aspects so that peopleare well educated when it comes
to this area, especially in theoncology side.
So let's start here for thosepeople who never heard of
cannabis.
I'm not sure how they couldn't,but they might not have heard
about cannabis.
So what is cannabis and what arethe primary benefits for cancer
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patients according to currentresearch?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (05:00):
Sure.
Cannabis has a few differentstrains.
So we have cannabis sativa andcannabis indica.
So these are plants that grow innature.
They're really, really greatplants, but the cannabis, the
hemp plants they're a remedialcrop.
So they absorb the toxins fromthe soil.
They can be produced into cottonand fiber, and they have health
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benefits in their seeds on theirown.
But then the plant can beextracted or formulas can be
extracted from the plant toseparate cannabinoids.
So the plant itself has over 400different compounds and over 100
different cannabinoids.
So when we're talkingcannabinoids, that's
cannabidiol, your CBD, that'sdelta 9 tetrahydrocannabinol,
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that's THC.
So we have these differentcannabinoids that are extracted
that have these an abundance ofhealth benefits.
But then also you have theseterpenes and flavonoids that are
also found in other plants thathave benefits as well.
So you have all of thesedifferent compounds that have a
lot of different health benefitsin just one package.
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Of course it has been illegalfor decades because of the
psychoactive component of theTHC.
But I say that, but there is away to consume it without
feeling the intoxicatingeffects.
And so that's what research istrying to really pinpoint.
What's the dose, what's theamount somebody can take without
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feeling intoxicating, becausethere are benefits to all these
different cannabinoids.
And then you have your nonintoxicating ones, like CBD.
Sorry, go ahead.
Ivelisse Page (06:34):
No, yeah I was doing a little research and it
says, that hemp CBD, has lessTHC, and it's different from,
say, cannabis from the actualmarijuana plant that has the
THC.
And it has less CBD.
So can you explain thedifference?
Because a lot of people justthink it's all one.
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (06:51):
Of course, yes.
So the hemp plant so in 2018, wehad the farm bill that removed
the definition of hemp frommarijuana.
And so the hemp plant has athreshold of 0.
3% THC by dry weight.
And so it has very small amountsof THC in there.
It is called a hemp plant, butit is also, it's a cannabis
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sativa is the full name of it.
And it is all still consideredcannabis, but we use, hemp and
marijuana to kind of distinguishthe two.
Marijuana, you would think moreintoxicating, hemp is non
intoxicating.
And so when we're talking theproducts that are available
commercially to purchase, thatare federally legal.
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They don't have a quantity ofTHC that is intended to get
somebody high.
It's very small amounts.
And so that's where CBD productscome from and that's how they
differ.
Ivelisse Page (07:46):
Okay.
Yes.
So individuals are able topurchase cannabis with different
levels of THC.
Can you explain THC's role?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (07:54):
Yes.
And this goes back to thebenefits too, right?
And I didn't actually touch onthat.
So a lot of the, the mostresearched cannabinoids would be
your THC and your CBD becausethey are considered major
cannabinoids.
They are found abundantly inthese plants, and so they're
more easy, easily researchedbecause they can be more easily
extracted in large quantities.
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And so the benefits, some of themost notable ones, we have anti
inflammatory, anti oxidant, Andfor, if we're considering the
whole holistic wellness and howthose can help a multitude of
ailments, anti-inflammatory, andantioxidant can, can do so much.
But we also have a sleepimprovement and pain
improvement, anti-anxiety, antidepression or antiemetic.
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And so we have all these greatbenefits.
And then, so THC, just as CBDdoes, it has really great
potential when it comes to antiinflammatory, oxidative stress,
and helping someone to improvepotentially their sleep or pain.
When we're talking chronic pain,or really debilitating
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conditions, sometimes that'swhere THC really shines, because
it does pack a punch, it doeshave a lot of benefits.
But, it's just whenever youpurchase it or consume it, you
just want to have a really goodplan in place because higher
levels can cause intoxication.
You can get those psychoactiveeffects.
So you just want to approach itwith the start low and go slow
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and and have someone to help youalong the way for support.
Ivelisse Page (09:29):
Yes.
And so are there particulartypes of cancer that respond
better to cannabis treatment?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (09:36):
That's a really great question.
And when it comes to cancerspecifics, there have been
separate types that have beenresearched, but overall anti
cancer potential of the cannabisplant is anti tumor, anti
proliferative.
So helping to spread thishelping to stop the spread of
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cancer cells from getting intotissue or from multiplying
within the body helping todecrease tumor size or inhibit
tumor growth.
And so that has that translatesto a lot of different diagnoses,
of course.
And I think what we're startingto see a little bit more of is
the cancer specifics.
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So when it's used for a specificcancer type.
I believe one of the firststudies that showed the, the
anti tumor growth activity wasin 1975 and that was for Lewis
Lung Carcinoma.
So you have these differenttypes that it's being studied
with and it's going to be reallythese mass observational
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research studies that happenwhere people can self report
what they're using it for so wecan start to accumulate more and
more data on specific cancertypes.
That will influence more ofthose clinical trials to show
how it can specifically helpdifferent cancer types.
Ivelisse Page (10:53):
Yes.
And you're doing a researchcurrently with Johns Hopkins as
well.
And so can you share a littlebit about that research and what
you're doing?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (11:01):
Yes, absolutely.
So we have two different studiesthat we're working on with Johns
Hopkins right now.
The first one we started in2015.
So this is when our foundersrecognized that the importance
of research, if policy was goingto change, bridging that gap
between the medical andscientific community and then
policy.
And started working with JohnsHopkins, opened up this
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observational research registryin 2016 that anybody with
internet access could join.
So they're just self reportinghow they're using cannabis in
their everyday lives.
No clinical trials, nothing isinfluenced, just, pure anecdotal
reports.
So we've had that ongoing studywhere we've published four
papers based off of that data.
It's going to continue to go onand on so we can start to
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accumulate more.
And then we have this otherproject that was funded by NIH.
The award went to Hopkins.
And we are working alongside ofthem as a data coordination
center.
So we'll help with participantrecruitment, providing
compensation to participants,and just getting the word out
there about the research.
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And so this is again, anotherobservational study and sort of
a follow up to our first studytogether.
Ivelisse Page (12:13):
Yeah, that's wonderful.
Yeah.
We need more and more researchso that people are more aware of
the benefits of products likecannabis and mistletoe therapy.
You touched on it a little bitearlier when you said that many
times that hemp plant is putinto soil to remove toxins from
it, which should be a reallylike a little yellow flag to
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people when they're purchasingcannabis, what to look out for.
Can you share about why it's soimportant to really find
credible products, especiallywhen dealing with cancer?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (12:47):
Oh, absolutely.
So especially for our immunesensitive and medically
sensitive populations, it'sreally, we can't stress enough
how much the quality of yourproduct matters.
Just like you said, hemp, it isa remedial crop.
It will absorb anything in thesoil.
That's why they planted outsideof Chernobyl to help to remove
some of the radioactivecomponents that are still there.
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But if the soil is not pure,then you could have pesticides
or residual solvents, heavymetals that are being absorbed
into the plant.
So you want to ensure that theproduct that you're receiving
has a certificate of analysisthat states that it's been
tested for all of thesematerials that can be toxic to
your body and that it wascleared for all of those
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materials.
You also want to be sure thatwhat it says on the label is
what's in the product.
There's been a few differentstudies that journalists have
done where they've gone todispensaries or health food
stores or purchased online abunch of different hemp products
and then they tested them.
And small percentages of thoseproducts actually have any CBD
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in them at all.
A lot of them is just hemp oil,which has its own benefits, but
it's not going to do what youthink it's going to do.
If you're looking for a CBD orTHC to to provide benefit to
you.
And so we really stressunderstanding the product
company that you're purchasingfrom.
Also, is this a consistentproduct?
So if I receive one batch, thenext batch I receive will have
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the same levels of cannabinoidsand terpenes.
Because if we make little tinychanges in our therapy, that
could disrupt everything.
So we really want to beconsistent and we want to know
that we're buying from areputable company that's going
to be around.
If you find something thatworks, you want to be able to
stick with it.
And so if a company is just youknow, they're one day gone the
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next, and then you're having tosource a new product, it can
become pretty difficult.
Ivelisse Page (14:44):
Yeah, so what certifications and what things
should they be looking at tomake sure that what is inside
the bottle is actually insidethe bottle?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (14:51):
Of course.
So the certificate of analysisis going to be one.
A lot of companies will have itavailable on their website, but
you want to be sure that it's upto date, that they're not
showing a batch number from twoyears ago.
If you want to have a batchnumber that matches your bottle
batch.
And so it'll be a certificate ofanalysis, it should be available
on the website, or you should beable to reach out to their
customer support team for one.
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And it will show that it's beentested for the heavy metals,
pesticides, any residualsolvents, but that it also shows
a percentage or milligram countof the cannabinoids that are in
the bottle that you have.
So and also you want to calltheir, maybe give them a call or
send them an email and see ifyou get a response from their
team.
You want somebody who's going tobe responsive to you if you do
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have questions about yourproduct.
And that they just presentthemselves well and on their
website.
And if you ever have questions,you can call Realm of Caring,
because that's what we helppeople do is to find quality
products and go through thechecklist of things that they
can look for or help themunderstand, Oh, maybe we want to
purchase from this companyversus this one, or just
navigate that with people.
Ivelisse Page (15:57):
Are there one or two that you say for sure, like,
these are ones that weabsolutely are confident in?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (16:04):
Yeah, we do have a few supported brands.
And so currently Charlotte'sWeb, 55 Plus, Aspen Green, New
Me, some of these are greatcompanies that we've been
working with for a long time.
Peaceful Roads has a topical asfar as CBD companies go.
And so we vet them ourselves.
We go through a checklist of afull audit on our end.
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And then so that way we canrecommend them to people that
we're working with and say, thisis a trustworthy company.
Ivelisse Page (16:34):
Okay, we appreciate that and we'll put
that in the show notes and alink so that people can connect
with you if they have questionsabout ones that they're looking
at themselves.
Are there any potential sideeffects or interactions that
cancer patients should be awareof when using cannabis?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (16:50):
Yes, and this is where it's really
important to bring in a medicalteam and we understand it's
really difficult to find supportfrom a medical team because this
is simply just something that'snot, it's not very available.
It's not available knowledge.
in medicine right now, right?
And so there can be interactionswith different medications that
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you might be taking.
It is, CBD itself is metabolizedby a lot of the same enzymes
that other medications aremetabolized by.
And so there could be somespacing involved that you want
to consider, but there's alsobeen a lot of research to
support using cannabis as anadjunct therapy to conventional
treatments and actually helpingto potentially improve the
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treatment's efficacy whiledecreasing the side effects that
the treatments might cause.
Um, So it can be a friend whenit comes to cannabis therapy.
And but trying to be transparentwith the doctor is great.
We also do that too.
We help to provide resources andinformation so that you feel
confident.
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So that way, when you go tospeak with your medical team
about wanting to use cannabisthat you'll have the tools to,
to speak with them about itbecause everybody should be
involved.
So that way you can ensure thatyou're being safe about it all.
Ivelisse Page (18:07):
Yeah, I completely agree.
It's so important to have thatteam approach and really make
sure that everyone knows and ison board so that you get the
best care possible and therearen't any surprises.
Can you share any successstories or experiences from
cancer patients who have usedcannabis?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (18:25):
Yes.
One of my early on when I was acare specialist, one of my early
on success stories was a womanwho had a colon cancer and she
was actually using a reallyconcentrated cannabis oil and
making it into suppositories.
to bypass the head high effects,the intoxicating effects.
So she would make at homesuppositories.
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And eventually her cancer did gointo remission.
She was also doing conventionaltreatment.
So it was, a whole holisticapproach.
She was just trying everythingpossible and getting as close to
the source as possible.
But a lot of our other successstories that we get of people
calling in, a lot of it is, justhelping: oh, I can eat again.
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I was going through chemotherapyand I was wasting away, and now
I can eat again.
A lot of caregivers who arehelping their elderly parents
with it as just an adjuncttherapy to their conventional
treatment just to help with theside effects to help them sleep
and not feel so nauseous.
And that's kind of what we knowis accepted when it comes to
cannabis and cancer.
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We've accepted that it can helpwith anti nausea, it can help as
an appetite stimulant.
But if we take it that stepfarther and we say, okay, this
is, it's not just a support,it's a medicine, then it can
open up all these otherpossibilities and it could, we
can look at it seriously as ananti inflammatory an anti
proliferative for decreasingpain and increasing sleep.
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So I think we're, we're gettingto that point of wider
acceptance.
But it's good to see that peopleare calling more, and they're
more interested in that side ofthings.
Ivelisse Page (20:01):
Yeah, there's so much power in plant medicine.
I mean, we see it every day, indealing with mistletoe therapy.
And this is just another one ofGod's, medicines that really
have the opportunity and theability to not only help with
quality of life, but thequantity of life in a patient.
And we've been really focusingand narrowing in on cancer, but
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what other ways have you seencannabis effective besides
cancer?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (20:28):
Oh, yes.
So our top reasons why peoplecall are probably epilepsy,
anxiety, sleep disturbances,chronic pain.
Those are among the top ones andso we see a lot of benefit when
it comes to that.
So it's just, kind of that aidfor the overall well being.
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So if you can potentiallyincrease the amount of hours
that you're sleeping or decreasethe amount of times you're
waking up in the middle of thenight, then you're improving
your anxiety throughout the day.
It's just all that cyclical.
And if you can improve yourpain, you can improve this.
And so it's a whole host ofthings.
And when someone calls and theysay, I'm having trouble with
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sleep and we'll say to them,okay what, what else is going
on?
What's impacting the sleep?
And oh, it's the pain or it'sthe depression or the anxiety or
whatever it might be.
And we're seeing benefits whenit comes to that, and it shows
up in kind of weird, weird waystoo, you might not notice it
right away.
You might not say, Oh, all of asudden I feel fantastic, but you
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might notice one day like, Oh, Iactually didn't get nervous when
I was in this social situation.
Or we've had parents with kidswith autism who call and they'll
say, Oh, my daughter just whohas autism and is not very
verbal.
She asked if she could be donewith her dinner, which is I'm
done with dinner.
And that's when they knew, oh,this is actually doing
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something.
This is helping.
So it's one of those thingswhere you got to go into it with
the expectation of, you mightnot be some big moment where, oh
my gosh, it's, it's helping, butjust tracking those little
benefits along the way.
Ivelisse Page (22:06):
Yes.
When I moved here to Colorado,there's some, the legalities are
different in, in every state andit is legal here in Colorado and
Fort Collins, people are notallowed to use it in public.
But, in their own homes,they're, they're able to, I
think in Denver, they areallowed to.
But, I've just noticed, I'malways working on my sleep and
how can I really maximize mysleep and make sure that the
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environment that I'm surroundingmyself with, whether it's blue
light or EMFs and wifi.
And there's so many aspects thatreally affect our sleep like you
were sharing.
And one of the things that Ifound here locally at a store
that really had a good qualityhemp sleep salve is what they
called it.
And it's amazing.
And I was, at first a littleleery about it, but this one did
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not have the THC or very, veryminimal.
But I put the sleep salve on thebottoms of my feet at night,
especially when I travel, Ibring it with me when I'm not in
my environment, sleep haven athome.
And it is amazing how it helpsto relax, how it helps me to
sleep longer and deeper and notwake up like you're saying.
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So there are things for peopleto try, to start off with so
that they can kind of see thebenefits of it.
I have friends who deal witharthritis in their hands.
And as aging, you have moreaches and pains and having
lotions with that CBD on andthat can really, or massages
that are done with CBD canreally be healing and easing the
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aches and pains and theinflammation, like you're
saying.
So I've seen it firsthand, notas far as cancer side, but as
far as sleep and pain and it'sreally made a tremendous
difference.
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (23:47):
That's so great.
I'm glad you shared that becausethere are cannabinoid receptors
in our skin cells and our innerskin.
And so you can absorb throughthat way.
And that's kind of, it's a, it'san entry point.
If someone was nervous aboutstarting hemp or CBD.
Starting with just a topical andalso just the, getting in the
ritual of the reflexology,massaging it into your feet and
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taking that time of calmness,all of these things can
contribute to your overallwellness and I think that's a
great first step for somebody.
Ivelisse Page (24:20):
So what does the current legal landscape look
like?
I shared about Colorado, but inother areas for the use of
cannabis and CBD in cancertreatment and beyond?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (24:30):
It changes every day, especially right now,
because we are in the midst of alegislative session.
And it's unfortunate because wedo see a pullback on a lot of a
lot of regulations.
There's still a lot of fearbehind CBD use just because it
has those minimal amounts ofTHC.
So you still have some groupssome prohibitionist groups or
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others who are focused ongetting CBD products into
dispensaries and off the shelvesbecause they're afraid that
their child's going to go andbuy a$200 dollar bottle of a
tincture and then, and maybe geta buzz.
I don't know.
But so we still have a lot ofpeople who are afraid of the
plant and even with CBD andreputable safe products out
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there.
So CBD is one that comes underfire probably most often.
There is a big push, of course,for cannabis use, especially
when it comes to specificconditions and disease states.
But the idea that we might be onthe path to moving cannabis to a
Schedule 3 from a Schedule 1 isvery promising because it does
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for the first time have thefederal government saying this
does have medicinal value andthat's what's most important and
that's what patients need tohelp to see that change come
their way.
We have a ton of research we'reaccumulating.
This allows for even moreresearch to start happening and
then making those pushes foracceptance of patient use of of
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cannabis for debilitatingconditions.
And yeah, it's, it gets weirdstate to state because of course
that's just how our governmentis run.
Things can change at the federallevel, doesn't mean it will
change at the state level.
And so that's something that wealways want to help people with
too, if they're ever concernedwith is this, can I buy or use
this in my zip code and thencalling us and we can help them
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navigate that because it can bepretty overwhelming.
And just, again, scary.
You never know if you tell thewrong person, if they're going
to report you to CPS or it's, Ilaugh, but it's a real a real
problem.
Ivelisse Page (26:37):
And you shared it a minute ago.
Can you share with our audiencewhat the difference is between a
Schedule 1 drug versus aSchedule 3?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (26:44):
The Schedule 1 will mean that it has
no medical value.
And and we know cannabis does,and so moving to Schedule 3
would put it in a category whereit would show.
So just at a high level, thatwould be the biggest difference.
Ivelisse Page (26:55):
That's great.
I can't believe that our timehas already come to a close, but
is there anything that I didn'task you, that you think would be
really helpful for our audienceto be aware of when it comes to
cannabis and cancer, or cannabisin general?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (27:09):
I would say as far as awareness, if some
people know personally thatcannabis helps and works for
them, and so they advocate forit, and there's some people who
don't either need it becausethey're in great health, or
they're using alternativetherapies that are helping but I
would say as far as awareness,just advocating for those people
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who need it, and having empathyfor those people who are finding
plant based therapies andalternative therapies to be
beneficial to them.
It doesn't bother you if they'reusing it, right?
It doesn't affect you, but if itcan help them, advocate for that
person and just try and putyourself in their position.
Imagine a mom who has gonethrough every single
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pharmaceutical for their childand they're in hospice receiving
palliative care and then theyfind cannabis as a solution and
it saves their kid's life.
Just put yourself in thatposition and think about their
story whenever you go to vote oryou write letters into your
representatives or your statesenators who are the ones who
are making decisions about ouraccess to these plant based
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therapies.
Ivelisse Page (28:15):
Thank you so much, Sasha.
Thank you for your knowledge,for your wisdom, for being on
our show today.
We really appreciate youeducating us more on cannabis
itself.
So thank you.
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (28:26):
Thank you so much for having me.
It's my pleasure.
Okay.
Ivelisse Page (28:35):
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Welcome to today's episode onthe Believe Big podcast.
My name is Ivelisse Page, andit's always a pleasure to be
with you.
Today we will be discussing therole of cannabis in oncology.
Sasha Kalchev Korn's backgroundin nonprofits and education led
her in the role of Realm ofCaring.
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Long interested in theintersection between cannabis
legalization and human rights,both stateside and abroad, Sasha
is passionate about connectingindividuals to effective plant
based methodologies for medicineand care.
In her current role, Sashaserves as the executive director
for Realm of Caring, keepinginternal teams, clients, and
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community at large educated onindustry developments and
scientific advancements througheducational and research
initiatives, participating instate and federal level advocacy
efforts, and leading day to dayoperations.
When not at work, Sasha enjoysspending time with her family,
running, and discovering newrecipes to try out or eat at
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restaurants.
Welcome to the show, Sasha.
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (01:45):
Thank you.
Thanks so much for having me andhaving Realm of Caring here.
Ivelisse Page (01:49):
We always like to start the podcast with our
guest's favorite health tip.
So what would be yours?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (01:54):
I think that my favorite health tip is
try more than one thing becauseit's never going to be one
miracle pill, one miracle diet.
It's going to be a whole host ofthings and together that is
going to advance your health.
Ivelisse Page (02:11):
Yes.
I like that holistic approach.
That's what we talk about everyday.
I love it.
I love it.
Can you tell us a little bitabout your role, a little more
specifically in Realm of Caringand what inspired you to get
involved?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (02:25):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
So my journey to Realm of Caringreally started back in around
2013.
I was moved to Colorado from NewYork City and I was in a
master's program at Universityof Denver.
And I took a job as an ABAtherapist.
So providing therapy to autistickiddos.
When I had moved here and one ofthe families that I worked for
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as an ABA therapist, was one ofthe families that had moved out
to Colorado, one of the medicalrefugees who were seeking
cannabis specifically high CBD,because she had suffered from
seizures as a result ofepilepsy.
So she didn't have autism, butshe did therapy worked for her.
So I found her.
And so her mom was one of thevolunteers to help get Realm of
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Caring up and running in 2013when they were just getting
started.
And so I went into education fora while.
And then after I had my son, Ijust realized that it was no
quality of life, being ineducation, being a teacher.
And so I wanted to get back intononprofit work, which what I had
done prior.
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And I wanted to be in educationstill, and a job popped up for
Realm of Caring.
So it was very fate-like that ajob just popped up.
And so I applied and I startedas a care specialist here in
2019.
But I had also in my master'sprogram, I was my track was
human rights.
And so I had the opportunity totake courses on the consequences
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of the war on drugs andunderstanding women's roles in
those movements and as a, amother myself, it really spoke
to me and fighting for yourchild's access to medicine and
what Realm of Caring had beendoing.
And so I started working hereand I've been here ever since.
And I just, I love the work andI love what we do.
Ivelisse Page (04:12):
Yeah.
I, I recently found out aboutyou all.
And, interestingly enough, wehad been, sharing with patients,
when they were looking forcannabis and, the Charlotte's
Web, which, is the very pureform that can be used for
oncology.
And we're going to kind ofdiscuss that today because all
cannabis is not the same.
There's so many different thingsto really be cautious of and be
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aware of.
And so I'm so grateful thatyou're on to really shed light
on these aspects so that peopleare well educated when it comes
to this area, especially in theoncology side.
So let's start here for thosepeople who never heard of
cannabis.
I'm not sure how they couldn't,but they might not have heard
about cannabis.
So what is cannabis and what arethe primary benefits for cancer
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patients according to currentresearch?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (05:00):
Sure.
Cannabis has a few differentstrains.
So we have cannabis sativa andcannabis indica.
So these are plants that grow innature.
They're really, really greatplants, but the cannabis, the
hemp plants they're a remedialcrop.
So they absorb the toxins fromthe soil.
They can be produced into cottonand fiber, and they have health
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benefits in their seeds on theirown.
But then the plant can beextracted or formulas can be
extracted from the plant toseparate cannabinoids.
So the plant itself has over 400different compounds and over 100
different cannabinoids.
So when we're talkingcannabinoids, that's
cannabidiol, your CBD, that'sdelta 9 tetrahydrocannabinol,
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that's THC.
So we have these differentcannabinoids that are extracted
that have these an abundance ofhealth benefits.
But then also you have theseterpenes and flavonoids that are
also found in other plants thathave benefits as well.
So you have all of thesedifferent compounds that have a
lot of different health benefitsin just one package.
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Of course it has been illegalfor decades because of the
psychoactive component of theTHC.
But I say that, but there is away to consume it without
feeling the intoxicatingeffects.
And so that's what research istrying to really pinpoint.
What's the dose, what's theamount somebody can take without
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feeling intoxicating, becausethere are benefits to all these
different cannabinoids.
And then you have your nonintoxicating ones, like CBD.
Sorry, go ahead.
Ivelisse Page (06:34):
No, yeah I was doing a little research and it
says, that hemp CBD, has lessTHC, and it's different from,
say, cannabis from the actualmarijuana plant that has the
THC.
And it has less CBD.
So can you explain thedifference?
Because a lot of people justthink it's all one.
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (06:51):
Of course, yes.
So the hemp plant so in 2018, wehad the farm bill that removed
the definition of hemp frommarijuana.
And so the hemp plant has athreshold of 0.
3% THC by dry weight.
And so it has very small amountsof THC in there.
It is called a hemp plant, butit is also, it's a cannabis
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sativa is the full name of it.
And it is all still consideredcannabis, but we use, hemp and
marijuana to kind of distinguishthe two.
Marijuana, you would think moreintoxicating, hemp is non
intoxicating.
And so when we're talking theproducts that are available
commercially to purchase, thatare federally legal.
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They don't have a quantity ofTHC that is intended to get
somebody high.
It's very small amounts.
And so that's where CBD productscome from and that's how they
differ.
Ivelisse Page (07:46):
Okay.
Yes.
So individuals are able topurchase cannabis with different
levels of THC.
Can you explain THC's role?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (07:54):
Yes.
And this goes back to thebenefits too, right?
And I didn't actually touch onthat.
So a lot of the, the mostresearched cannabinoids would be
your THC and your CBD becausethey are considered major
cannabinoids.
They are found abundantly inthese plants, and so they're
more easy, easily researchedbecause they can be more easily
extracted in large quantities.
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And so the benefits, some of themost notable ones, we have anti
inflammatory, anti oxidant, Andfor, if we're considering the
whole holistic wellness and howthose can help a multitude of
ailments, anti-inflammatory, andantioxidant can, can do so much.
But we also have a sleepimprovement and pain
improvement, anti-anxiety, antidepression or antiemetic.
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And so we have all these greatbenefits.
And then, so THC, just as CBDdoes, it has really great
potential when it comes to antiinflammatory, oxidative stress,
and helping someone to improvepotentially their sleep or pain.
When we're talking chronic pain,or really debilitating
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conditions, sometimes that'swhere THC really shines, because
it does pack a punch, it doeshave a lot of benefits.
But, it's just whenever youpurchase it or consume it, you
just want to have a really goodplan in place because higher
levels can cause intoxication.
You can get those psychoactiveeffects.
So you just want to approach itwith the start low and go slow
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and and have someone to help youalong the way for support.
Ivelisse Page (09:29):
Yes.
And so are there particulartypes of cancer that respond
better to cannabis treatment?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (09:36):
That's a really great question.
And when it comes to cancerspecifics, there have been
separate types that have beenresearched, but overall anti
cancer potential of the cannabisplant is anti tumor, anti
proliferative.
So helping to spread thishelping to stop the spread of
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cancer cells from getting intotissue or from multiplying
within the body helping todecrease tumor size or inhibit
tumor growth.
And so that has that translatesto a lot of different diagnoses,
of course.
And I think what we're startingto see a little bit more of is
the cancer specifics.
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So when it's used for a specificcancer type.
I believe one of the firststudies that showed the, the
anti tumor growth activity wasin 1975 and that was for Lewis
Lung Carcinoma.
So you have these differenttypes that it's being studied
with and it's going to be reallythese mass observational
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research studies that happenwhere people can self report
what they're using it for so wecan start to accumulate more and
more data on specific cancertypes.
That will influence more ofthose clinical trials to show
how it can specifically helpdifferent cancer types.
Ivelisse Page (10:53):
Yes.
And you're doing a researchcurrently with Johns Hopkins as
well.
And so can you share a littlebit about that research and what
you're doing?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (11:01):
Yes, absolutely.
So we have two different studiesthat we're working on with Johns
Hopkins right now.
The first one we started in2015.
So this is when our foundersrecognized that the importance
of research, if policy was goingto change, bridging that gap
between the medical andscientific community and then
policy.
And started working with JohnsHopkins, opened up this
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observational research registryin 2016 that anybody with
internet access could join.
So they're just self reportinghow they're using cannabis in
their everyday lives.
No clinical trials, nothing isinfluenced, just, pure anecdotal
reports.
So we've had that ongoing studywhere we've published four
papers based off of that data.
It's going to continue to go onand on so we can start to
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accumulate more.
And then we have this otherproject that was funded by NIH.
The award went to Hopkins.
And we are working alongside ofthem as a data coordination
center.
So we'll help with participantrecruitment, providing
compensation to participants,and just getting the word out
there about the research.
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And so this is again, anotherobservational study and sort of
a follow up to our first studytogether.
Ivelisse Page (12:13):
Yeah, that's wonderful.
Yeah.
We need more and more researchso that people are more aware of
the benefits of products likecannabis and mistletoe therapy.
You touched on it a little bitearlier when you said that many
times that hemp plant is putinto soil to remove toxins from
it, which should be a reallylike a little yellow flag to
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people when they're purchasingcannabis, what to look out for.
Can you share about why it's soimportant to really find
credible products, especiallywhen dealing with cancer?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (12:47):
Oh, absolutely.
So especially for our immunesensitive and medically
sensitive populations, it'sreally, we can't stress enough
how much the quality of yourproduct matters.
Just like you said, hemp, it isa remedial crop.
It will absorb anything in thesoil.
That's why they planted outsideof Chernobyl to help to remove
some of the radioactivecomponents that are still there.
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But if the soil is not pure,then you could have pesticides
or residual solvents, heavymetals that are being absorbed
into the plant.
So you want to ensure that theproduct that you're receiving
has a certificate of analysisthat states that it's been
tested for all of thesematerials that can be toxic to
your body and that it wascleared for all of those
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materials.
You also want to be sure thatwhat it says on the label is
what's in the product.
There's been a few differentstudies that journalists have
done where they've gone todispensaries or health food
stores or purchased online abunch of different hemp products
and then they tested them.
And small percentages of thoseproducts actually have any CBD
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in them at all.
A lot of them is just hemp oil,which has its own benefits, but
it's not going to do what youthink it's going to do.
If you're looking for a CBD orTHC to to provide benefit to
you.
And so we really stressunderstanding the product
company that you're purchasingfrom.
Also, is this a consistentproduct?
So if I receive one batch, thenext batch I receive will have
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the same levels of cannabinoidsand terpenes.
Because if we make little tinychanges in our therapy, that
could disrupt everything.
So we really want to beconsistent and we want to know
that we're buying from areputable company that's going
to be around.
If you find something thatworks, you want to be able to
stick with it.
And so if a company is just youknow, they're one day gone the
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next, and then you're having tosource a new product, it can
become pretty difficult.
Ivelisse Page (14:44):
Yeah, so what certifications and what things
should they be looking at tomake sure that what is inside
the bottle is actually insidethe bottle?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (14:51):
Of course.
So the certificate of analysisis going to be one.
A lot of companies will have itavailable on their website, but
you want to be sure that it's upto date, that they're not
showing a batch number from twoyears ago.
If you want to have a batchnumber that matches your bottle
batch.
And so it'll be a certificate ofanalysis, it should be available
on the website, or you should beable to reach out to their
customer support team for one.
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And it will show that it's beentested for the heavy metals,
pesticides, any residualsolvents, but that it also shows
a percentage or milligram countof the cannabinoids that are in
the bottle that you have.
So and also you want to calltheir, maybe give them a call or
send them an email and see ifyou get a response from their
team.
You want somebody who's going tobe responsive to you if you do
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have questions about yourproduct.
And that they just presentthemselves well and on their
website.
And if you ever have questions,you can call Realm of Caring,
because that's what we helppeople do is to find quality
products and go through thechecklist of things that they
can look for or help themunderstand, Oh, maybe we want to
purchase from this companyversus this one, or just
navigate that with people.
Ivelisse Page (15:57):
Are there one or two that you say for sure, like,
these are ones that weabsolutely are confident in?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (16:04):
Yeah, we do have a few supported brands.
And so currently Charlotte'sWeb, 55 Plus, Aspen Green, New
Me, some of these are greatcompanies that we've been
working with for a long time.
Peaceful Roads has a topical asfar as CBD companies go.
And so we vet them ourselves.
We go through a checklist of afull audit on our end.
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And then so that way we canrecommend them to people that
we're working with and say, thisis a trustworthy company.
Ivelisse Page (16:34):
Okay, we appreciate that and we'll put
that in the show notes and alink so that people can connect
with you if they have questionsabout ones that they're looking
at themselves.
Are there any potential sideeffects or interactions that
cancer patients should be awareof when using cannabis?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (16:50):
Yes, and this is where it's really
important to bring in a medicalteam and we understand it's
really difficult to find supportfrom a medical team because this
is simply just something that'snot, it's not very available.
It's not available knowledge.
in medicine right now, right?
And so there can be interactionswith different medications that
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you might be taking.
It is, CBD itself is metabolizedby a lot of the same enzymes
that other medications aremetabolized by.
And so there could be somespacing involved that you want
to consider, but there's alsobeen a lot of research to
support using cannabis as anadjunct therapy to conventional
treatments and actually helpingto potentially improve the
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treatment's efficacy whiledecreasing the side effects that
the treatments might cause.
Um, So it can be a friend whenit comes to cannabis therapy.
And but trying to be transparentwith the doctor is great.
We also do that too.
We help to provide resources andinformation so that you feel
confident.
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So that way, when you go tospeak with your medical team
about wanting to use cannabisthat you'll have the tools to,
to speak with them about itbecause everybody should be
involved.
So that way you can ensure thatyou're being safe about it all.
Ivelisse Page (18:07):
Yeah, I completely agree.
It's so important to have thatteam approach and really make
sure that everyone knows and ison board so that you get the
best care possible and therearen't any surprises.
Can you share any successstories or experiences from
cancer patients who have usedcannabis?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (18:25):
Yes.
One of my early on when I was acare specialist, one of my early
on success stories was a womanwho had a colon cancer and she
was actually using a reallyconcentrated cannabis oil and
making it into suppositories.
to bypass the head high effects,the intoxicating effects.
So she would make at homesuppositories.
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And eventually her cancer did gointo remission.
She was also doing conventionaltreatment.
So it was, a whole holisticapproach.
She was just trying everythingpossible and getting as close to
the source as possible.
But a lot of our other successstories that we get of people
calling in, a lot of it is, justhelping: oh, I can eat again.
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I was going through chemotherapyand I was wasting away, and now
I can eat again.
A lot of caregivers who arehelping their elderly parents
with it as just an adjuncttherapy to their conventional
treatment just to help with theside effects to help them sleep
and not feel so nauseous.
And that's kind of what we knowis accepted when it comes to
cannabis and cancer.
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We've accepted that it can helpwith anti nausea, it can help as
an appetite stimulant.
But if we take it that stepfarther and we say, okay, this
is, it's not just a support,it's a medicine, then it can
open up all these otherpossibilities and it could, we
can look at it seriously as ananti inflammatory an anti
proliferative for decreasingpain and increasing sleep.
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So I think we're, we're gettingto that point of wider
acceptance.
But it's good to see that peopleare calling more, and they're
more interested in that side ofthings.
Ivelisse Page (20:01):
Yeah, there's so much power in plant medicine.
I mean, we see it every day, indealing with mistletoe therapy.
And this is just another one ofGod's, medicines that really
have the opportunity and theability to not only help with
quality of life, but thequantity of life in a patient.
And we've been really focusingand narrowing in on cancer, but
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what other ways have you seencannabis effective besides
cancer?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (20:28):
Oh, yes.
So our top reasons why peoplecall are probably epilepsy,
anxiety, sleep disturbances,chronic pain.
Those are among the top ones andso we see a lot of benefit when
it comes to that.
So it's just, kind of that aidfor the overall well being.
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So if you can potentiallyincrease the amount of hours
that you're sleeping or decreasethe amount of times you're
waking up in the middle of thenight, then you're improving
your anxiety throughout the day.
It's just all that cyclical.
And if you can improve yourpain, you can improve this.
And so it's a whole host ofthings.
And when someone calls and theysay, I'm having trouble with
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sleep and we'll say to them,okay what, what else is going
on?
What's impacting the sleep?
And oh, it's the pain or it'sthe depression or the anxiety or
whatever it might be.
And we're seeing benefits whenit comes to that, and it shows
up in kind of weird, weird waystoo, you might not notice it
right away.
You might not say, Oh, all of asudden I feel fantastic, but you
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might notice one day like, Oh, Iactually didn't get nervous when
I was in this social situation.
Or we've had parents with kidswith autism who call and they'll
say, Oh, my daughter just whohas autism and is not very
verbal.
She asked if she could be donewith her dinner, which is I'm
done with dinner.
And that's when they knew, oh,this is actually doing
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something.
This is helping.
So it's one of those thingswhere you got to go into it with
the expectation of, you mightnot be some big moment where, oh
my gosh, it's, it's helping, butjust tracking those little
benefits along the way.
Ivelisse Page (22:06):
Yes.
When I moved here to Colorado,there's some, the legalities are
different in, in every state andit is legal here in Colorado and
Fort Collins, people are notallowed to use it in public.
But, in their own homes,they're, they're able to, I
think in Denver, they areallowed to.
But, I've just noticed, I'malways working on my sleep and
how can I really maximize mysleep and make sure that the
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environment that I'm surroundingmyself with, whether it's blue
light or EMFs and wifi.
And there's so many aspects thatreally affect our sleep like you
were sharing.
And one of the things that Ifound here locally at a store
that really had a good qualityhemp sleep salve is what they
called it.
And it's amazing.
And I was, at first a littleleery about it, but this one did
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not have the THC or very, veryminimal.
But I put the sleep salve on thebottoms of my feet at night,
especially when I travel, Ibring it with me when I'm not in
my environment, sleep haven athome.
And it is amazing how it helpsto relax, how it helps me to
sleep longer and deeper and notwake up like you're saying.
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So there are things for peopleto try, to start off with so
that they can kind of see thebenefits of it.
I have friends who deal witharthritis in their hands.
And as aging, you have moreaches and pains and having
lotions with that CBD on andthat can really, or massages
that are done with CBD canreally be healing and easing the
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aches and pains and theinflammation, like you're
saying.
So I've seen it firsthand, notas far as cancer side, but as
far as sleep and pain and it'sreally made a tremendous
difference.
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (23:47):
That's so great.
I'm glad you shared that becausethere are cannabinoid receptors
in our skin cells and our innerskin.
And so you can absorb throughthat way.
And that's kind of, it's a, it'san entry point.
If someone was nervous aboutstarting hemp or CBD.
Starting with just a topical andalso just the, getting in the
ritual of the reflexology,massaging it into your feet and
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taking that time of calmness,all of these things can
contribute to your overallwellness and I think that's a
great first step for somebody.
Ivelisse Page (24:20):
So what does the current legal landscape look
like?
I shared about Colorado, but inother areas for the use of
cannabis and CBD in cancertreatment and beyond?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (24:30):
It changes every day, especially right now,
because we are in the midst of alegislative session.
And it's unfortunate because wedo see a pullback on a lot of a
lot of regulations.
There's still a lot of fearbehind CBD use just because it
has those minimal amounts ofTHC.
So you still have some groupssome prohibitionist groups or
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others who are focused ongetting CBD products into
dispensaries and off the shelvesbecause they're afraid that
their child's going to go andbuy a$200 dollar bottle of a
tincture and then, and maybe geta buzz.
I don't know.
But so we still have a lot ofpeople who are afraid of the
plant and even with CBD andreputable safe products out
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there.
So CBD is one that comes underfire probably most often.
There is a big push, of course,for cannabis use, especially
when it comes to specificconditions and disease states.
But the idea that we might be onthe path to moving cannabis to a
Schedule 3 from a Schedule 1 isvery promising because it does
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for the first time have thefederal government saying this
does have medicinal value andthat's what's most important and
that's what patients need tohelp to see that change come
their way.
We have a ton of research we'reaccumulating.
This allows for even moreresearch to start happening and
then making those pushes foracceptance of patient use of of
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cannabis for debilitatingconditions.
And yeah, it's, it gets weirdstate to state because of course
that's just how our governmentis run.
Things can change at the federallevel, doesn't mean it will
change at the state level.
And so that's something that wealways want to help people with
too, if they're ever concernedwith is this, can I buy or use
this in my zip code and thencalling us and we can help them
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navigate that because it can bepretty overwhelming.
And just, again, scary.
You never know if you tell thewrong person, if they're going
to report you to CPS or it's, Ilaugh, but it's a real a real
problem.
Ivelisse Page (26:37):
And you shared it a minute ago.
Can you share with our audiencewhat the difference is between a
Schedule 1 drug versus aSchedule 3?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (26:44):
The Schedule 1 will mean that it has
no medical value.
And and we know cannabis does,and so moving to Schedule 3
would put it in a category whereit would show.
So just at a high level, thatwould be the biggest difference.
Ivelisse Page (26:55):
That's great.
I can't believe that our timehas already come to a close, but
is there anything that I didn'task you, that you think would be
really helpful for our audienceto be aware of when it comes to
cannabis and cancer, or cannabisin general?
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (27:09):
I would say as far as awareness, if some
people know personally thatcannabis helps and works for
them, and so they advocate forit, and there's some people who
don't either need it becausethey're in great health, or
they're using alternativetherapies that are helping but I
would say as far as awareness,just advocating for those people
(27:31):
who need it, and having empathyfor those people who are finding
plant based therapies andalternative therapies to be
beneficial to them.
It doesn't bother you if they'reusing it, right?
It doesn't affect you, but if itcan help them, advocate for that
person and just try and putyourself in their position.
Imagine a mom who has gonethrough every single
(27:52):
pharmaceutical for their childand they're in hospice receiving
palliative care and then theyfind cannabis as a solution and
it saves their kid's life.
Just put yourself in thatposition and think about their
story whenever you go to vote oryou write letters into your
representatives or your statesenators who are the ones who
are making decisions about ouraccess to these plant based
(28:14):
therapies.
Ivelisse Page (28:15):
Thank you so much, Sasha.
Thank you for your knowledge,for your wisdom, for being on
our show today.
We really appreciate youeducating us more on cannabis
itself.
So thank you.
Sasha Kalcheff-Korn (28:26):
Thank you so much for having me.
It's my pleasure.
Okay.
Ivelisse Page (28:35):
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others.
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