December 23, 2020 • 45 mins
Russia’s Lake Baikal is the deepest, and one of the most picturesque, lakes on the planet. But what otherworldly terrors lurk beneath its surface? Tonight we’ll be diving into the mystery of Lake Baikal and the Swimmers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Russia's Lake by call is the deepest and one of the
most scenic lakes on the planet.
But what other worldly terrorslurk beneath that surface
tonight, we'll be diving intothe mystery of Lake by call Jen,
how are ya?
Hey Jen, I'm doing all right.
How are you?
(00:21):
I'm doing okay for it to be aWednesday hump day.
Yeah.
Recording on night.
We've that sounds like somethingout of folklore tradition.
We've actually been recording onWednesdays a couple of times in
a row.
Now it seems to work out thatway.
I think it's kind of a littlelift, you know, that we record.
Cause I look forward to it.
I do too.
I look forward to it as well.
(00:41):
So what have you been up to?
My wife lost her job as youknow, so we're, we're dealing
with that.
That's a lot, many people, youknow, losing their jobs.
So it's not unique, not a uniquething, unfortunately.
So we're, we're dealing withthat.
And what else?
Oh, I got, I do have some goodnews.
I wasn't going to tell you soyour good news will tell me the
(01:02):
good news is I got my emergencyBigfoot collar in.
Oh, you did?
And I haven't listened to it.
Can you see it?
It's kind of green.
Yes.
Yes.
It's cool.
And it's, it's got big foot onit.
So do you want to hear it?
How snort roar or groan?
I want to hear it grown becausea hard decision.
All right.
(01:25):
That is totally crazy.
Let's hear at snort.
Okay.
That sounds like Satan.
It does.
That does not sound like anormal snort.
How about, how about, um, whatwas the first one?
How what's it sound like whenit's hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
[inaudible]
Speaker 1 (01:44):
That kind of sounded like tars.
I think it sounded like Bigfoot.
So do do, I don't think you did,um, you didn't do roar.
Okay.
Sounds like a dog.
That's really scary.
If I heard any one of thosesounds my would be running in
the opposite direction, Jen, butI have to ask you, so you said,
(02:05):
it sounds like big foot now,when, when my friend have you
heard Bigfoot, we're watchingthe programs on YouTube travel
channel.
It's been a while, but that'swhat it sounds like.
Okay.
I think it sounds like it.
Why is the travel channel?
And I'm not complaining becauseI watch it a lot, but they have
literally like all of theirprogramming a hundred percent is
supernatural stuff from like bigfoot to UFO's to ghosts.
(02:28):
There is no travel unless it's,you know, I guess you're
traveling to different placesbecause that's where the
creatures are.
But it's so funny.
It's like they, I think theyshould come up with a different
name for it.
I don't know what happenedeither, but I noticed that too.
I definitely liked that channelthough.
Since it's been, this has beengoing on for probably a decade
that they've moved from travelto Bigfoot foot, big foot
(02:49):
channel, where they haveparanormal stuff on there.
Right?
They do.
There's a show called the deadfiles that I get a big kick out
of.
I mean, I'm sort ofsimultaneously scared and
entertained by it.
Um, my Brian, my husband makesfun of it.
Makes fun of me for watching it,but he's been, let me tell you
about this.
So he actually downloaded thehallmark channel so he could
watch those cheesy, romanticChristmas.
(03:12):
Are you kidding?
I am not kidding.
He loves those.
So he hangs out if P if Ihaven't mentioned this before we
have one cat, who's afraid ofall the other cats.
So he has his own room and hehas a TV, a big screen TV in
that room.
So my husband goes intoDesmond's room and watches.
Those I've caught him in theretoday, watching a hallmark
(03:33):
Christmas movie,
Speaker 3 (03:34):
As you know, my wife watches them constantly starting
in maybe July.
No kidding.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I have to admit I was, I was went in there to see
my husband, see what he wasdoing.
And I almost got sucked into it.
I was like, Oh, I think I'mstarting to figure out a plot
point.
And I almost stayed.
But then I had to get on thismeeting for work, which is
another story I'm sitting on mycouch.
You know, it's, it's actually alate meeting.
It didn't happen until 5:00 PMand grace.
One of my other cats.
I know, I sound crazy.
(04:02):
She was all over me.
Like she came down, she, sheended up like snuggling up right
on my chest and like putting herhead under my chin.
And I'm on camera with all thesepeople at this professional
meeting.
And she was being so sweet, buteverybody was like, Oh kitty.
So it worked out.
Okay.
But it was kind of embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It's good.
You know, relief to haveanimals.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Well, definitely for me, I just wonder if people
think I'm too much with mine,like climbing up my back and
appearing, you know, over top ofmy head and they do crazy stuff
while I'm on zoom.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Sometimes each cat makes an appearance and you have
five just said to my wife today,I'm like, I want to ask you
something and don't say no,until I ask you, just think
about it.
I said, I want to get a puppy.
Oh, having lost her job.
She's like, no, I do not.
I said, just think about it.
She's like, okay, I'll thinkabout it.
I'm like, now's the time to doit because while we're both
(04:55):
home.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Exactly, exactly.
And that might kind of ease, youknow, if you know, I know your
wife's dog is older.
We might ease that when thattime comes not to be super
depressing time.
Are you talking about gen two?
I have to spell it out.
Are you kidding?
I am kidding.
You.
(05:16):
It's like what I thought I coulddeal in subtlety with you, but
apparently not.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It's yeah.
It's I, I think it's around thecorner.
Unfortunately,
Speaker 1 (05:26):
We should talk about our drinks and then I have to
make a correction.
Should I make the correctionfirst to make the corrections
until we, okay.
So I am, I'm intensely sorry forthis.
But in our episode about PamelaColeman Smith, I misstated
something and I made a jokeabout it.
So we were talking about theactress, Ellen, Terry.
And I said, I said that she wasCharles Dickens mistress, that
(05:48):
it was sad that she was bestknown for him.
It turns out she had nothing todo with Dick.
And I'm so embarrassed.
So I'm having something verysimple.
It's called, um, uh, QuantroRoyal and Ooh, it just consists
of Quatro and champagne.
Now what does Quantro tasteslike?
It's an orange, the core.
(06:10):
That sounds so good.
Oh my gosh.
As you can see, I'm on my goinginto my second bottle of
champagne, I feel like tonight'sgoing to be an extra special
podcasting night.
Oh my gosh.
Well, I, I'm very excited totell you what I'm drinking and
this beautiful.
Thank you.
So it's like a pale pink, just areally pretty rosy pink.
And it's in my, um, one of myvintage coops that is ringed
(06:32):
with silver.
I love this coop and I have agarnished with three raspberries
on a skewer.
It's like an arrow skewer.
So I don't know.
I've just been wanting to trysomething different.
So, um, so this is called aClover club.
Apparently it's like a, have youheard of this?
So if you heard of it, you mayknow one really weird ingredient
in it, which I've used.
I don't know.
(06:52):
I just know it's raspberrysimple syrup and in gen, right?
It is accepted.
So you can use raspberry simpleas here, but I didn't have that,
but I did have, um, sham board.
So it said you could use araspberry liquor too.
I use two ounces of gin, anounce of sham board.
And then, um, I fresh squeezedlemon.
(07:13):
Then the really crazy thing isyou take an egg white and you
put it in there.
Okay.
Yeah, I noticed, so I'mdrinking, I'm drinking raw egg
right now.
And it makes like it's deliciousbecause it gives it this
fullness.
I mean, I was really kind oflike when I realized it had a
raw egg, I wasn't sure about it.
What's egg white, isn't it?
It's egg white.
Yeah.
So it's not the whole egg.
(07:34):
And then you put it in your,your shaker with a lot of ice
and you shake it and you have toshake it really, really hard.
And it develops this foam on topof the cocktail.
Oh my gosh.
And it just gives it thisfullness and then it's kind of
foamy and it's like the gin, butthe raspberry and the tartness
of the lemon, it is, this is oneof the best cocktails I think
I've ever had.
It's really good.
Super excited about it.
(07:54):
And I'm excited to hear yourstory tonight.
All right.
So you told me a little bitabout what we'd be talking about
tonight.
I'm super excited about it.
It sounds really interesting.
So let's, let's get into it.
All right.
Let's get started.
I'm going to talk about theswimmers of Lake by call and
USO's.
I think everyone's heard ofUFO's.
(08:15):
I don't think nearly as manypeople have heard about USO's
and USO stands for unidentifiedsubmerged object before you told
me that I never even, it nevereven occurred to me that an
unidentified flying object couldgo underwater.
I had read a story or heard itreference once.
And for some reason, John keelstands in my stands out, but I'm
(08:35):
not sure if it was John keel ornot.
But when I read about it, I wasthinking that's just really
wacky.
So now I'm talking about, no, Idon't think it's so wacky.
Well, I mean, if you thinkabout, I mean, if something can
fly and if they have, you know,I mean, we have things that can
fly and also go under water.
So really why not?
But it does make it to me.
It makes it way more creepy.
(08:56):
Cause
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I mean, one of you're swimming in the ocean and then
first of all, that's scaryenough to me by, by itself, but
then some UFO USO abductor seal.
Yes.
And that's in the realm ofpossibility, Jen, I really do
think it's in the cards for usat some point.
Well, either that or ending upon the long John Silver's
without pants, it's like,that'll be me.
(09:20):
I'm most likely for that one.
So before I get to the swimmersof Lake by call, I just want to
briefly touch on USO's and thenI'm going to talk about the
sweaters of Lake by call andthen I'm going to come back to
USO's.
Okay.
So in 2009, Russia declassified,a lot of, um, a lot of documents
(09:40):
and in those documents werereferences to encounters that
the Russian Navy had had withUSO's and one in particular it's
undated, but there was a nuclearsubmarine somewhere in the South
Pacific and they allegedly orreportedly in the documents
encountered this formation ofalien aircraft that were in the
(10:00):
water.
And it was like 853 feet deep tobe exact.
Wow.
So they were, they were able tosee down into the water that
these aircraft were there.
No, they were, they were in anuclear submarine.
Uh, gotcha.
Okay.
And so their soon our picks upsix objects in the water, like
disc shaped objects.
(10:21):
So they have these six objectsin the water, the radar picks it
up and it's going at this crazyspeed.
And we can have something farmore advanced than this, but
evidently U S nuclear poweredsubmarines.
It can go a little bit fasterthan 23 miles per hour.
That's fast.
But this object was going atlike 250 miles per hour stuff
(10:44):
that they had never seen out theresistance of the water.
I mean, there would be so muchresistance.
Right?
Exactly.
And the Russians at the timewere panicked and they were
thinking, could this besomething, a new weapon that us
has?
They didn't really know what tothink about it.
So these objects are comingdirectly towards them.
And at that moment was like aall hands on deck type moment at
(11:07):
some point in time that the sobslows down and then the disc
shape objects, they slow down tothe captain orders is emergency
surfacing.
And so they go up and then a fewminutes later they saw these
objects are merged from thewater and they fly away.
Whoa.
Also, according to thesedocuments that were
declassified, evidently like 50%of UFO accounters are connected
(11:32):
with the oceans.
And it also said 15% wereconnected with lakes for all
these years.
I think we've all been thinkingabout UFO's in the air force.
We've never really thoughtabout, in my opinion, like the
Navy and your foes, you wouldn'treally connect the two, I don't
think.
Right.
No.
And it's interesting, you know,I just, I'm trying to think an
(11:53):
extra terrestrial,
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Which is sort of a strange, strange way of
thinking, but I'm just thinking,why would they want to go under
water?
But then if you think about allof the life in the ocean and in
some of the other bodies ofwater, why wouldn't they there's
so much to discover down thereand maybe they're more
undetectable too.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And when researching this, I came, I came across this
one quote, over and over andover again, and I don't know who
to attribute it to, but theysaid, think about it.
We know more about the surfaceof the moon than we do about the
ocean.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Because it's so incredibly deep and vast.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah.
So now I'm going to move on to,or talk about Lake by call and
the way it's spelled is B a I Ka L and it's pronounced Lake by
call.
So it sends Southern sub-areaand I think it's reasonably
close to the Mongolian borderjust to kind of give you a
picture of what Lake by call islike, it's really, really
(12:49):
unique.
And it is actually the largestfresh water Lake in the planet
or on the planet.
So it comprises like 20% of theworld's fresh water.
And it's something like fivetimes bigger than all five of
the great lakes combined.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's amazing.
That is amazing.
When I lived in Rochester, youknow, we were right on the
shores of Lake Ontario andthat's immense when you're, you
know, when you're at the beachon Lake Ontario, you feel like
you are in some ways at theocean because it's just so vast
and imagining.
Um, and I don't think it's thebiggest of the great lakes.
So imagining all of thosetogether, it's bigger than
those.
That's, that's pretty big.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
It's incredible.
And of course I hopped onYouTube to see Lake by call and
see what it was like.
And it's absolutely stunning inone of the videos I was
watching, this guy was going tostay in a remote cabin, the cook
a little, almost like a littletrapper's cabin.
And he was going to say outthere something like nine months
in order to get there, someonehad to drive him in a van across
(13:52):
the frozen Lake.
Wow.
And to watch that was just, forme, it was unnerving.
It's unbelievable.
And it's unnerving
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Hard to imagine a truck being able to stay.
You know, it was a vast J on avan, but to imagine that's
really heavy, um, that icemust've been, I can't even
imagine how thick the icemust've been.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And he wasn't even, the driver was even like
gingerly pulling onto the Lake.
No, let's take it easy oranything.
It was just barreling across theLake.
And so when the guy gets to thetrapper's cabin, he has two
bottles of vodka and he it's,you know, snows all around that.
He takes the bottles of vodka.
He throws it out into those,out, into the area, outside of
(14:34):
his cabin and evidently huntersor trappers.
When they go to these cabins,they evidently threw vodka out.
And then when the snow starts torecede, then they realize, they
realize like their season'sover.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
We should try that in Maryland.
I don't know where we would dothat at, I guess in Western,
Maryland, next time it snows.
I'm throwing my bottle of vodkaout and see,
Speaker 3 (14:56):
That's a good idea when we're, when we're rich and
we can just take off and dowhatever the hell we want to do.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
And we can waste our vodka right now.
We can't, we have to make surethat I can't using every drop
appropriately.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I can't see the two of us roughing it in a cabin.
No.
So Lake by call is reallyunique.
It's absolutely stunning.
And I had never heard of ituntil I came across the story of
the swimmer.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Can I ask you a question?
Do you think there are anycryptids at Lake by call?
Um, I mean, I know you're goingto be talking about the USO's
today, but is there any otherfolklore I wonder surrounding
it?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It's a good question.
I know there's folkloresurrounding it.
I don't know if there's anythingrelated to cryptids, but that's
something I will definitely lookinto because I think that's a
great question.
I would love that.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Like, it would be right for something like that.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I think I also neglected to mention that the
Lake is 6,000 or just about6,000 feet deep.
Well, and to, to, you know, forcomparison crater Lake, which is
an Oregon, which looksabsolutely beautiful too.
I don't know if you heard
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Of crater Lake, I've heard of it, but I've
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Never heard of it before.
And it's, um, that's the deepestLake in the U S and so that's
about 1900 feet.
So you have 1900 feet comparedto 6,000 feet deep of Lake my
call.
So I just wanted to give thatlittle overview of what my call
is like.
And that's just a very quick andrough sketch of what it's like.
(16:21):
Or
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I looked it up and I, people should take a look on the
internet because I looked it upand I saw some scenes of it in
summer, but also during winter.
And you could get a sense of theice and just what a, what a
frozen landscape.
It looked like.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It's absolutely stunning.
And since we both liked the snowin my mind, it's even more
beautiful and picturesque.
Definitely.
So now onto the swimmers.
And when I came across a story,I was just so intrigued and
fascinated by it.
Especially since it wassomething I'd never heard of
before, because you hear a lotabout UFO's and of course,
Roswell and different things,but I had never heard of this
(16:58):
incident.
And again, these things areloosely sourced, so there's a
lot of disinformation out there.
You don't really know what istrue and what isn't true.
And the Siberian times, theyalso reference this or discuss
this incident.
And so I'm just going to touchon it.
Let's just pretend that, or justentertain that perhaps this
could be true, or even partiallytrue.
(17:18):
The incident with the USO's Italked about earlier that were
then declassified documents.
They never gave a date for that.
Okay.
And so for the swimmers, thisoccurred in 1982, what happened
was, and there's differentaccounts of this, but Russian
Navy divers, they also referredto them as frogmen.
They were conducting like thisresearch mission.
It was at a depth of about 160feet.
(17:40):
And so that's a deep dive.
And when you do a deep dive likethat, you have to, when you're
coming back up, because thedecompression, you have to stop,
I think like every 15 feet andoff of a hang line, a lot of
times, I think it's like theanchor line.
I'm not a diver.
So I'm just given I given thismy best shot.
So they have to stop about every15 feet, especially when they
(18:01):
get closer to the surface.
So they don't get decompressionsickness, which is a buildup of
nitrogen in your body.
Oh, I didn't know that.
So yeah.
So say if you take a soda andyou shake it up and you just
open it up and all this stuffcomes, spewing out, that's kind
of like what decompressionsickness is like.
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
So your, can your organs explode or something like
that?
It damages,
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I believe your organs.
It can even damage your joints,um, all sorts of things, but it
could definitely kill you.
So these divers are down there,they're at 160 feet.
And when they're down there,they feel like they're being
watched and they turn around.
At some point they notice likethese huge humanoid figures that
were like nine to 10 feet tall,and they look like they were
(18:45):
wearing some type of helmet andthey were wearing these, these
very tight silver suits.
Okay.
I don't know who got this brightidea and I've heard two
different takes on this one takeis that they go up and they tell
their commander like what theysaw and what do we do.
And the commander's like, getback down there and I want you
to catch one of these things.
(19:07):
So they go down and try to catchit.
Another account is that theyjust decide on their own that
they're going to catch it.
And I don't even know how thiswould work.
They decided they were going tocatch it with a net.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That just seems so stupid to me.
So you have, what is probablythis other worldly being, and
you're going to use a net to tryto catch it.
That just doesn't make anysense.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
The only thing I can think of, they probably had some
type of mechanism or devicewhere I would think that they
could shoot it or be some typeof projectile that would do
that.
I can't see them trying to,let's go, you know, put a net
over your head
Speaker 1 (19:41):
When the lights are in or something.
No, no, it's crazy.
You know, when you're talkingabout this creature, it kind of
reminds me of the creature.
What does that movie, um, for,for the creature, from the black
lagoon, I actually really lovethat movie, but I always end up
feeling some empathy for thecreature.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I haven't, it's been years, but I've seen it too.
And I understand what you'retalking about.
And even, um, in the documentaryabout Michelle McNamara.
Yes.
Oh my God, the person who did,who wrote the book on the
original night stalker, there'sa brief clip in the film talking
about when she first met herhusband and they talked about
their favorite movie and that'dbe in there their favorite
(20:17):
movie.
And this showed a scene fromthat movie.
Yeah.
That was really well done.
As I was saying before thedivers, they decide they're
going to, or they're told thatthey need to capture one of
these.
And so they try to do it.
And they're all like expelledfrom the water, some civil Wars.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So the dive, the divers, the humans,
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yes.
The divers, there's like sevenof them.
And they're just expelled fromthe water by some unknown forest
.
And it happens rapidly.
So when that happened rapidly,they suffered from decompression
sickness.
There were like twodecompression chambers and one
was broken evidently.
And I think the most that youcould put in there at a time is
(20:57):
supposed to be two people.
And they put like four and theother people, the other three
people were all on the shore.
I wonder how they decided, who,who got the, I don't know,
chamber, maybe it was just basedon who they thought was the
worst off.
So the people on the shore didnot make it.
Wow.
And I'm not sure, a hundredpercent sure that everybody in
the decompression chamber madeit.
(21:17):
I think that they did, or atleast three of them did, but
they put far more people inthere.
Then they were supposed to theirreports to that.
These divers were too upset totalk about the incident.
And some people think that oralleged that the Russian
government tried to, or theRussian government threatened
them not to talk about it.
(21:37):
So I just think that's like thecreepiest thing one, the deep
ocean scares me.
I don't know why, but it alwayshas probably because of, because
of sharks and jaws and all that,but it's also
Speaker 1 (21:47):
No, no, I think, you know, we don't know what lurks
down there.
Um, you can't see when, when youget deep enough, I mean the
light doesn't penetrate anymore,
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So it's dark it's.
So I just find that frightening.
And then also I think the aspectof the story that I find is
frightening is that you're downthere or you're working or on
something or doing whatever itis that they were doing.
And they feel like there'd be awash and they turn around.
Yeah.
These beans.
That's so interesting.
And I wonder, you know, I wonderif there's a word for that
(22:16):
feeling of being watched.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
'cause you, you hear people talking about that.
And I think it's this sensationthat most people can kind of
understand, but it's veryunique.
It's very unique sensation.
It's hard to do
Speaker 3 (22:27):
It is.
And I, I think too, as a woman,you tend to kind of, I think
develop that more so than men.
It's just like this, justknowing that you're in danger or
that as you were saying, you'rebeing watched, or I don't know
what you would call that even
Speaker 1 (22:44):
At a cocktail party or you've been sitting in a room
and you can feel somebody's eyeson you and you look over and you
make eye contact, you know, eventhat, that doesn't, it's not
necessarily a situation ofdanger, but it's that feeling.
You can feel it, you can feelsomeone else.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
It is.
And it's not like you're talkingto someone and you're reading
microexpressions or you'repicking up things that perhaps
you don't necessarily alwayspick up on, or you alerted to
something by my, by microexpressions.
And this is something completelydifferent in the sense that you
just feel like you're beingwatched and you turn around and
staring at you, you're beingwatched.
(23:20):
Yeah.
That's really, that is verycreepy
Speaker 1 (23:23):
In, you're an invite.
You're in an environment that'shostile really that, you know,
you can't, I mean, you're notunsure, so you can't take off
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Running.
You're stuck.
You're stuck down there.
Imagine that feeling to say, forexample, if, if it's the one
account where one of them atleast surfaces and talks to
their commander and he's like,Oh, you get down there and you
catch this thing.
Can you imagine that feelingwould be like,
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I think that would be the feeling for me of mutiny,
absolutely AWOL.
I would go AWOL with them.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I would be like, this is not happening.
So that's the story of theswimmers of Lake by call.
And I just think even like themcalling it the swimmers or
something super creepy aboutthat, and evidently the locals,
they it's just kind of liketaken as fact that there's weird
stuff that goes into, or there'sweird things that surround Lake
(24:15):
by call.
I didn't come across anythingwhere anyone else had
encountered these beans, butthere've been UFO, sightings and
alien sightings there for quitesome time.
That's super fascinating.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
It definitely makes me want to do a little more
research and see if I can find,you know, if there are any other
stories, any other, um,folklore,
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Anything else?
I think that's definitelysomething that's worth
researching and I'm sure there'sgotta be all sorts of things.
And, and to do another episodeon that.
Um, definitely.
So with li with USO's, it's notjust the, the Russian Navy that
has had experiences with USO'sand in 1966 and around Catalina
(24:58):
Island, are you familiar withCatalina Island at all?
that off South Carolina?
No, it's actually like, it'sactually 22 miles Southwest of
Los Angeles.
Oh, okay.
And so there's this channelthat's between or they consider
it a channel between, um,Catalina Island and Los Angeles.
And I can, I can't remember theother port there, but there are
(25:22):
two huge ports.
Catalina Island is 175 squaremiles.
And there've been numerousreports of UFO's or USO's around
that area.
In 1966, there is a video of aUFO it's like any UFO video that
I've seen before, because it's,to me, it kind of looks like a
(25:44):
little blimp.
Okay.
It looks like it's descending onthe Island and it's going,
compared to other things thatI've watched at a relatively
slow pace, but there doesn'tappear to be any wings or
anything with it or a tail oranything.
So of all the UFO videos thatI've seen, I think it's quite
unique in that aspect.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Is it kind of lip tickle or cylindrical?
Like a, I've heard a blimp
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Described as a disc shape, but when I look at it, I
don't necessarily see a disc.
Um Hmm.
But it's a very, it's Gradyfootage and it's black and
white, but it's unusual comparedto other things that I've seen.
So there didn't appear to be anytail or visible means of
propulsion at all.
And there was also anotherresident of the soul, another
(26:28):
UFO about two years later.
And he was given the explanationof it being a weather balloon
like they did with Roswell.
They'd
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Say that about everything.
I mean, how many weather
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Balloons are there out there?
That's what the witness said too, is that he seemed pretty, I
mean, by my standards, I guess,you know me, I can be kind of
judgy and, Oh, this person'sreally wacky.
He just seemed kind of aordinary guy.
And he said the same thing too.
It's like, I think he's beengiven different explanations
before, but one of them was, Iguess the moon is a weather
(27:01):
balloon that line that they saythat two, two college students
had released a weather balloonactually went to
Speaker 1 (27:07):
The local meteorological.
I don't know what you would callit.
Was it the local airport?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Um, my brother was a reporter at the time
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And I don't know why we were doing, he was doing some
story, but we met themeteorologist and he, um, let us
watch him let off the weatherballoon, which was a really good
.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Hmm.
Yeah, no, you never told me thatbefore.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I can see why it's not the most riveting story,
but, but you know, I got to seeone and you know, it didn't look
like a URL.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah.
They showed some imagery of whatthat would look like.
And I have no idea what it was,but as I said, it was, it was
very different than things thatI've watched before.
And I'll watch a ton of this.
So probably one of the mostcompelling and most significant
disclosures of UFO's or USO'shappen when the release, I think
(27:53):
about three or four years ago offootage by Navy pilots.
And you've probably seen it'scalled the tic-tac video.
I have seen that.
Yes.
So these pilots, they get intheir sights, this thing that
they call it looks like atic-tac and it's just
maneuvering at rapid speeds anddisappearing and appearing in
(28:14):
other places, you know, like,um, I think I heard one of the
pilots, describe it as a, like aping pong or something.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
It kind of almost seems like it's playing with
them.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I think.
Yeah, it does.
It sounds that way.
Or just trying to evade them,who knows?
I mean, what the, what themotivation, or I don't even know
motivation what the, what thepurpose is.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
They were trying to retrieve their pants off the top
of a long John silver.
That's what was happening.
And I'm like, I think I see howlong John Silver's there.
Isn't over there.
No, no, that's a McDonald's andI can completely relate to that.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
They have my respect.
So this occurred, it's calledthe U S S S Nimitz aircraft,
like incident, or they call itthe Nimitz incident in 2004.
This was about 60 to a hundredmiles off the coast of San
Diego.
And so the pilots, what theywere doing, it was just an
exercise.
And I think they were doing itin conjunction with the Marines,
(29:08):
which I didn't know the Marineshad pilots or had Navy Amy, Amy,
or had jets.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I didn't tell you this, but Amy McGrath flew a
plane and the Marines done.
So, Oh my God, here we go.
With Amy or grouse.
I bet people, do you want totell people who Amy McGrath, Amy
McGrath is?
She was running for Senateagainst Mitch McConnell.
She's from Kentucky, but she isa Marine.
Um, she's do you never say four?
I don't think you say formerMarine.
(29:34):
She's not currently in theservice Marine.
You're always a Marine.
She's always Marine, but, um,yeah.
She's she was a pilot and shestill flies.
I think she
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Flew herself around for the campaign.
So, and I sent her a fair bit ofmoney during the campaign, but
yeah,
Speaker 1 (29:49):
You're getting carried away now worried about,
you know, at some point sheshe's going to beat him or he's
going to
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Die.
So anyway, carry on.
I think he's going to die first.
He is turning
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Purple.
This is her being able to be now.
It's
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Not a good sign.
He's disgusting.
And he makes me absolutely sick.
I digress.
He's disgusting.
Anyway.
So in 2004, there was 60 to ahundred miles off the coast of
San Diego.
Navy pilots were basically doingan exercise with the Marines.
So now it's good to know thatthe Marines actually have
(30:20):
fighter jets.
I don't think they were armed atall.
So I think
Speaker 1 (30:23):
That made it even more kind of alarming to them.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah.
And the way that they wereconducting this exercise, and
maybe this is too much detail,but like two people will be the
good guys and two people will bethe bad guys.
And so you're just trying tointercept each other.
And I guess, I don't know whatelse is involved do like
military.
I have no idea.
And it's not helping that thisdrink is going to my head.
(30:46):
I've already finished minded.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It's long gone.
I mean, long since gone to myhead.
Well,
Speaker 3 (30:51):
My second split, so, well, I was on my second split
45 minutes ago.
Well, you're drinking it slowly,so that's good.
So the commander, one of thepeople that, you know, was one
of the pilots, he said that itwas like a perfectly clear day
and that when they were flyingout there, they saw something.
I think initially, and I thoughtthis was really interesting too,
(31:12):
the way he talked about it,because they're constantly kind
of doing this reality testingthat they see something they're
like, Oh, okay, well, this couldbe about trying to bring drugs
into the country.
And then they get closer andthey see this turbulence on the
water and they think, okay, wellthat is a rock formation that
waves are crashing against.
So there, you know, internallythey're coming up with all these
(31:34):
reasons or for why this ishappening while there's
turbulence.
And then they see that there waslike, this tic-tac shape, that's
hovering above the water.
And at some point in time, hejust takes off.
As I said, I think one of the, Ithink the commander, he
described it as like a ping pongwall.
They were just like, what isthis?
This thing's all over the place.
(31:54):
The other pilot was a woman.
I don't think she wants to beidentified as who she is, but
she had commented that, youknow, how do, how do you fight
something like this?
You know, how do you fight itprobably can't even get your
sights on it because it's sofast.
So I think, um, the commanderDavid Fravor, he's been more
(32:15):
willing to be interviewed or totalk about this incident in
interview with the Washingtonpost.
He had said that quote, like,um, he said the object was not
from this earth.
That's so scary.
And the title of the article is,um, his former Navy pilot
describes UFO encounter andsecret Pentagon program.
And it's by Eli Rosenberg, Ithink it's Eli Rosenberg.
(32:37):
And what Fravor disclosed, whathe said was that, and I don't
think it was, it was in thisarticle, but he was also
interviewed by Joe Rogan who hasprobably the number one podcast
in the country, or maybe eventhe world he was interviewed by
him.
And what he said was thatevidently there have been
sightings of these things twoweeks before his encounter and
(32:59):
he was unaware of it.
And he said, the reason why hewas unaware of it or Alisa, he
was told this later is becausethey didn't actually have any
pilots or anything out therethat were engaging with it or
encountering it directly.
It was just, I guess, based ontheir radar and watch what they
were watching this incident, theNimitz incident was first
(33:22):
reported by the, the New Yorktimes.
And it was written by HeleneCooper, Leslie Kean and Ralph
Blumenthal, Leslie Kean.
And I think you've heard me talkabout her before.
You probably don't remember hername, Jen, but she wrote this
credible book and it's calledUFO's generals, pilots, and
(33:42):
government officials go on therecord.
Oh no, I haven't had a book.
That sounds fascinating.
It was published in 2010.
So evidently she was evenresearching this phenomenon 10
years before.
And her name is Leslie Kean,Leslie Kean, K E a N.
And I have a book and I've readsome of the accounts and it's a
(34:05):
really interesting book, but ithas very credible sources.
It doesn't seem like she takeslike a role.
Well, I want to say, like, Ithink she takes a line of
something's happening.
We don't know what it is, butsomething's happening.
And we don't know what thesethings are and that it could be
a danger to not only nationalsecurity, but also just aviation
in general.
Wow.
Yeah.
(34:25):
She's also written a book Ibelieve on, on life after death.
And you know, she's taking likean objective viewpoint on this.
I haven't read that either.
I haven't even gotten throughall this book, but I actually,
when I was on a zoom meeting,this is terrible, but I covered
it up on my bookshelf.
Let everybody see my UFOencrypted and all this craziest
(34:50):
on.
That's too funny.
But I understand.
I think if it's like, I think ifit's just like a random book
here and there, but when yourwhole bookshelf price
Speaker 1 (35:00):
And you've got your Yeti, you've got your Yeti, they
wouldn't know what that wasthough.
And if they did know what it wasand they shouldn't be judging
you because they have one too,
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Ask you to, to check on me, Jen, do a welfare check
or something
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Probably would, Oh my God, I'd have to do
Speaker 3 (35:15):
A report.
So I'm interested in onecompleting this book and then
two looking into what she'swritten about, you know, whether
or not there's life after death,very interested in that.
She seems like a very objective,um, intelligent, you know, even
handed person like she, yeah.
I mean, when I read things orsee things where someone is
(35:35):
saying that, you know, I sawthis and it's coming back in
time to warn us about, I justkind of tune out sometimes
because it's like, how can yoube so certain about those
things?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Right.
And she seems like she's a, youknow, she's a true journalist
and she's just launching inquiryand she's talking to people and
keeping an open mind, which Ireally, which I really
appreciate.
I'm looking up a couple of herbooks.
Um, it sounds very interesting.
I might get the life afterdeath.
One.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
That sounds super interesting since I have this
Speaker 1 (36:02):
One.
Yeah.
Then we can exchange.
I also want to just make it
Speaker 3 (36:05):
A few references to I'm a huge coast to coast fan or
I was, when I was younger, Iused to listen to it and be
really enthralled by the storiesthat were being told.
I've just always liked.
Is that the one where the artbell?
Yes.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
But my dad, he passed.
Yeah.
I know he passed.
My dad was really, really intothat and I don't think I ever
listened to it, but he wouldtake his radio to bed and
listen.
So that really is,
Speaker 3 (36:29):
That strikes a chord with me.
I used to listen to it at nightand just get like chills up my
spine with some of the thingsthat are saying no again, I
think they have some wackypeople on there, but I think
they have credible people too.
And it's just reallyinteresting.
Listen.
And so in order to access that,now you have to pay like a
monthly fee and I've been payingthat for quite some time.
(36:50):
I don't go on there a lot, likeI should, but you know, I do
listen and I just find it reallyinteresting and you can go back,
but I think they have like a, avault audio vault that just art
bell.
Oh cool.
And so sometimes they go back inthat, cause I just want to see
how some of these stories and,um, things are assertions have
(37:11):
age.
Well, if they've aged well
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Now does, does coast to coast, is that mainly cover
extra terrestrial, UFO, USO typestuff.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
They cover all sorts of things like paranormal to,
you know, UFO's to, um, to highstrangeness, to psychic ability.
It sounds so for all sorts ofthings with coast to coast,
they, I went back and I lookedand I tried to find anything on
like USO's UFO's especiallyanything that centered around
(37:39):
Russia.
And I came across a show thatwas from 2016.
It was about three hours.
I think initially like the firsthour was, was an interview with
George Carlin's daughter for thefirst hour.
So the interview was like withPaul Stonehill and Richard Dolan
and they were discussing RussianUSO incidents.
(38:00):
And again, that was like in2016.
So if anyone ever wants to goback and, and read about that,
that they can.
And Paul is actually a, uh,immigrant from Russia really.
And they have a book out, Ithink a stone Hills probably had
a number of books out, maybeeven Richard Dolan too.
And I haven't, I haven't orderedthose or read those or anything,
(38:20):
but I just thought I would justput that out there.
If someone wants to listen, orif people want to listen to
coast to coast, it was aninterview from May 15th, 2016
and it discusses some of thesethings.
So that is the story of theswimmers of Lake by call and
USO's.
Well,
Speaker 1 (38:36):
That was so interesting to me.
I feel like I learned a lot andthere's so much more I want to
find out.
So, um, I might, I mightactually sign up for coast to
coast.
Is it, is it expensive?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I think it's only like six or$7 a month, but for
the purpose of just curiosityand then also for the podcast, I
think, um, you know, it's moneywell spent.
I know that I find it.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah.
It sounds like the F I likesomething I like to go to bed
sometimes.
And that's usually when I listento my podcasts, um, I mean, it
is a little, you don't want toget too creeped out, but there's
something about just pulling thecovers up and nestling down with
the cats and listening tosomething kind of scary
Speaker 3 (39:13):
For me years ago when I was young or much younger, it
just kind of lets yourimagination slowly.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah.
But you're not bounded by, youknow, well, such and such is not
possible.
It's very speculative, I guessthat's the word for it.
And it makes me think more aboutmy dad and, you know, my dad
was, he was a character like hereally did.
He did love that stuff.
He, he had a very speculativemind, so I'm not, I'm not at all
surprised that he liked thatshow.
I wish
Speaker 3 (39:38):
I could talk to him about it.
My dad too.
I don't know if he listened tothe show.
He never mentioned listening tothe show, but my father was very
suspicious of the government andthings like that.
And I think that, I think one ofthe things that I have so many
things to, um, that I findextremely objectionable, the way
that conspiracy theories havebeen thrown out there and used
(40:02):
as disinformation and you know,things to, to, to create
infighting within the UnitedStates.
And I just find it very sad.
And I also find it, I think, youknow, conspiracy theories, if
you attach that label conspiracytheories, it doesn't mean that
something isn't true.
There have been conspiracytheories or conspiracies that
(40:22):
have been proven, like MK ultra,things like that.
So I think it really denigratesa healthy questioning of our
government
Speaker 1 (40:31):
That makes so much sense.
It seems like part of whatyou're saying is that it's the
way it's politicized or used forpolitical ammunition somehow is,
is where it fails.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
And thank you, my friend, because as you can see,
I've had too much to drink.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
No, exactly.
I was trying to say sometimes I,I like to check what people are
saying by trying to say it backon my own words.
I think that's part of, part ofmy work as a therapist.
So like I just do that becausesometimes I'm not sure if I'm
getting something, so I'm gladthat I got it because just
wanted to be sure.
Well,
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I kind of semi explained it.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
I know we've talked about conspiracy theories
before, but I don't think I, youever formulated it in that way.
So that really helps meunderstand a little better, like
where you're coming from andwhat you mean by that.
And I think that I so agree withyou about, you know, whether
something is true.
I mean, I'm a great reader offiction, you know, and for the
first six years of school, youknow, after high school, like I
(41:26):
studied literature and that'sliterature is a place where
anything can be true and in awhole range of possibilities,
you know, limitless range ofpossibilities.
And I think that's one of thereasons why I love it.
And, and I th I don't, I don'treally know what I'm trying to
say, except that I'm all forspeculation and for, um,
searching out what's true, butentertaining multiple truths and
(41:48):
multiple things can be true atdifferent times, if that makes
any sense at all.
Yeah.
And just open to possibilities.
And as I was saying before, orat least I think I was saying is
that it's healthy to question arefinement because government
does shady ESHA.
They do that.
And I think sometimes you wonderlike, okay, are they protecting
us for certain, from certainthings?
(42:09):
Like, if you think about, youknow, extra terrestrial stuff, I
mean, are they trying topreclude a panic?
I've seen Obama interviewed andhe talks about how, you know, I
think Clinton too.
And they said, did you ask tosee files?
And he's like, Oh, of course Idid.
But you know, there's some stuffthey won't even show presidents.
So it is very, very interesting.
It's funny that you say thatbecause the person who did the
forward to the Keene book isJohn Podesta.
(42:32):
Oh.
And, um, I can't remember whathis official title is.
I don't know if he had beenchief of staff at the time.
I can't remember.
I don't know if it wasnecessarily that, but he did the
forward and he's always beeninterested in UFO's and advocate
of disclosure.
And here you read to right here,I read that's exactly what I was
going to say.
Yes, Harry Reed is, well, maybewe can get here.
(42:55):
He read it.
And John Podesta and, um, yeah,we can shoot for that about
that.
Well, I've really enjoyed thisconversation because as I said,
I just think imagination andopen being open to
possibilities.
It just, it makes my mind sore.
And I've really liked that.
Yeah.
(43:15):
I mean my mind cancer.
Oh my gosh.
Well, I think one of thereasons, I don't know, this
sounds weird.
Like one of the reasons whywe're friends is like, because I
appreciate, I appreciate thatabout you.
Like, you are a person who lovesto, who loves to entertain
possibility and you're likeendlessly curious, and those are
my favorite kind of people.
You know, those are the people Ifeel most comfortable with
because it's just, it's justfun.
(43:36):
And if we're not here to thinkand to wonder about things and
what are we here for Q I, I justlove discussing POS discussing
possibilities.
So absolutely.
What does that Emily Dickinsonthere's that line?
I dwell in possibility, a fairerhouse than prose.
So we'll end on.
We'll end on Emily.
Well then if we're going to end,
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Then Emily that's do a toast to Emily,
Speaker 1 (43:58):
But I have nothing left, but neither do you.
I can see your class.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
No, I have about a quarter of an edge of, so I'm
going to do a I'm here.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
See if I get anything here and to Emily, Emily,
Speaker 3 (44:13):
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[inaudible].
Russia's Lake by call is the deepest and one of the
most scenic lakes on the planet.
But what other worldly terrorslurk beneath that surface
tonight, we'll be diving intothe mystery of Lake by call Jen,
how are ya?
Hey Jen, I'm doing all right.
How are you?
(00:21):
I'm doing okay for it to be aWednesday hump day.
Yeah.
Recording on night.
We've that sounds like somethingout of folklore tradition.
We've actually been recording onWednesdays a couple of times in
a row.
Now it seems to work out thatway.
I think it's kind of a littlelift, you know, that we record.
Cause I look forward to it.
I do too.
I look forward to it as well.
(00:41):
So what have you been up to?
My wife lost her job as youknow, so we're, we're dealing
with that.
That's a lot, many people, youknow, losing their jobs.
So it's not unique, not a uniquething, unfortunately.
So we're, we're dealing withthat.
And what else?
Oh, I got, I do have some goodnews.
I wasn't going to tell you soyour good news will tell me the
(01:02):
good news is I got my emergencyBigfoot collar in.
Oh, you did?
And I haven't listened to it.
Can you see it?
It's kind of green.
Yes.
Yes.
It's cool.
And it's, it's got big foot onit.
So do you want to hear it?
How snort roar or groan?
I want to hear it grown becausea hard decision.
All right.
(01:25):
That is totally crazy.
Let's hear at snort.
Okay.
That sounds like Satan.
It does.
That does not sound like anormal snort.
How about, how about, um, whatwas the first one?
How what's it sound like whenit's hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
[inaudible]
Speaker 1 (01:44):
That kind of sounded like tars.
I think it sounded like Bigfoot.
So do do, I don't think you did,um, you didn't do roar.
Okay.
Sounds like a dog.
That's really scary.
If I heard any one of thosesounds my would be running in
the opposite direction, Jen, butI have to ask you, so you said,
(02:05):
it sounds like big foot now,when, when my friend have you
heard Bigfoot, we're watchingthe programs on YouTube travel
channel.
It's been a while, but that'swhat it sounds like.
Okay.
I think it sounds like it.
Why is the travel channel?
And I'm not complaining becauseI watch it a lot, but they have
literally like all of theirprogramming a hundred percent is
supernatural stuff from like bigfoot to UFO's to ghosts.
(02:28):
There is no travel unless it's,you know, I guess you're
traveling to different placesbecause that's where the
creatures are.
But it's so funny.
It's like they, I think theyshould come up with a different
name for it.
I don't know what happenedeither, but I noticed that too.
I definitely liked that channelthough.
Since it's been, this has beengoing on for probably a decade
that they've moved from travelto Bigfoot foot, big foot
(02:49):
channel, where they haveparanormal stuff on there.
Right?
They do.
There's a show called the deadfiles that I get a big kick out
of.
I mean, I'm sort ofsimultaneously scared and
entertained by it.
Um, my Brian, my husband makesfun of it.
Makes fun of me for watching it,but he's been, let me tell you
about this.
So he actually downloaded thehallmark channel so he could
watch those cheesy, romanticChristmas.
(03:12):
Are you kidding?
I am not kidding.
He loves those.
So he hangs out if P if Ihaven't mentioned this before we
have one cat, who's afraid ofall the other cats.
So he has his own room and hehas a TV, a big screen TV in
that room.
So my husband goes intoDesmond's room and watches.
Those I've caught him in theretoday, watching a hallmark
(03:33):
Christmas movie,
Speaker 3 (03:34):
As you know, my wife watches them constantly starting
in maybe July.
No kidding.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I have to admit I was, I was went in there to see
my husband, see what he wasdoing.
And I almost got sucked into it.
I was like, Oh, I think I'mstarting to figure out a plot
point.
And I almost stayed.
But then I had to get on thismeeting for work, which is
another story I'm sitting on mycouch.
You know, it's, it's actually alate meeting.
It didn't happen until 5:00 PMand grace.
One of my other cats.
I know, I sound crazy.
(04:02):
She was all over me.
Like she came down, she, sheended up like snuggling up right
on my chest and like putting herhead under my chin.
And I'm on camera with all thesepeople at this professional
meeting.
And she was being so sweet, buteverybody was like, Oh kitty.
So it worked out.
Okay.
But it was kind of embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It's good.
You know, relief to haveanimals.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Well, definitely for me, I just wonder if people
think I'm too much with mine,like climbing up my back and
appearing, you know, over top ofmy head and they do crazy stuff
while I'm on zoom.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Sometimes each cat makes an appearance and you have
five just said to my wife today,I'm like, I want to ask you
something and don't say no,until I ask you, just think
about it.
I said, I want to get a puppy.
Oh, having lost her job.
She's like, no, I do not.
I said, just think about it.
She's like, okay, I'll thinkabout it.
I'm like, now's the time to doit because while we're both
(04:55):
home.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Exactly, exactly.
And that might kind of ease, youknow, if you know, I know your
wife's dog is older.
We might ease that when thattime comes not to be super
depressing time.
Are you talking about gen two?
I have to spell it out.
Are you kidding?
I am kidding.
You.
(05:16):
It's like what I thought I coulddeal in subtlety with you, but
apparently not.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It's yeah.
It's I, I think it's around thecorner.
Unfortunately,
Speaker 1 (05:26):
We should talk about our drinks and then I have to
make a correction.
Should I make the correctionfirst to make the corrections
until we, okay.
So I am, I'm intensely sorry forthis.
But in our episode about PamelaColeman Smith, I misstated
something and I made a jokeabout it.
So we were talking about theactress, Ellen, Terry.
And I said, I said that she wasCharles Dickens mistress, that
(05:48):
it was sad that she was bestknown for him.
It turns out she had nothing todo with Dick.
And I'm so embarrassed.
So I'm having something verysimple.
It's called, um, uh, QuantroRoyal and Ooh, it just consists
of Quatro and champagne.
Now what does Quantro tasteslike?
It's an orange, the core.
(06:10):
That sounds so good.
Oh my gosh.
As you can see, I'm on my goinginto my second bottle of
champagne, I feel like tonight'sgoing to be an extra special
podcasting night.
Oh my gosh.
Well, I, I'm very excited totell you what I'm drinking and
this beautiful.
Thank you.
So it's like a pale pink, just areally pretty rosy pink.
And it's in my, um, one of myvintage coops that is ringed
(06:32):
with silver.
I love this coop and I have agarnished with three raspberries
on a skewer.
It's like an arrow skewer.
So I don't know.
I've just been wanting to trysomething different.
So, um, so this is called aClover club.
Apparently it's like a, have youheard of this?
So if you heard of it, you mayknow one really weird ingredient
in it, which I've used.
I don't know.
(06:52):
I just know it's raspberrysimple syrup and in gen, right?
It is accepted.
So you can use raspberry simpleas here, but I didn't have that,
but I did have, um, sham board.
So it said you could use araspberry liquor too.
I use two ounces of gin, anounce of sham board.
And then, um, I fresh squeezedlemon.
(07:13):
Then the really crazy thing isyou take an egg white and you
put it in there.
Okay.
Yeah, I noticed, so I'mdrinking, I'm drinking raw egg
right now.
And it makes like it's deliciousbecause it gives it this
fullness.
I mean, I was really kind oflike when I realized it had a
raw egg, I wasn't sure about it.
What's egg white, isn't it?
It's egg white.
Yeah.
So it's not the whole egg.
(07:34):
And then you put it in your,your shaker with a lot of ice
and you shake it and you have toshake it really, really hard.
And it develops this foam on topof the cocktail.
Oh my gosh.
And it just gives it thisfullness and then it's kind of
foamy and it's like the gin, butthe raspberry and the tartness
of the lemon, it is, this is oneof the best cocktails I think
I've ever had.
It's really good.
Super excited about it.
(07:54):
And I'm excited to hear yourstory tonight.
All right.
So you told me a little bitabout what we'd be talking about
tonight.
I'm super excited about it.
It sounds really interesting.
So let's, let's get into it.
All right.
Let's get started.
I'm going to talk about theswimmers of Lake by call and
USO's.
I think everyone's heard ofUFO's.
(08:15):
I don't think nearly as manypeople have heard about USO's
and USO stands for unidentifiedsubmerged object before you told
me that I never even, it nevereven occurred to me that an
unidentified flying object couldgo underwater.
I had read a story or heard itreference once.
And for some reason, John keelstands in my stands out, but I'm
(08:35):
not sure if it was John keel ornot.
But when I read about it, I wasthinking that's just really
wacky.
So now I'm talking about, no, Idon't think it's so wacky.
Well, I mean, if you thinkabout, I mean, if something can
fly and if they have, you know,I mean, we have things that can
fly and also go under water.
So really why not?
But it does make it to me.
It makes it way more creepy.
(08:56):
Cause
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I mean, one of you're swimming in the ocean and then
first of all, that's scaryenough to me by, by itself, but
then some UFO USO abductor seal.
Yes.
And that's in the realm ofpossibility, Jen, I really do
think it's in the cards for usat some point.
Well, either that or ending upon the long John Silver's
without pants, it's like,that'll be me.
(09:20):
I'm most likely for that one.
So before I get to the swimmersof Lake by call, I just want to
briefly touch on USO's and thenI'm going to talk about the
sweaters of Lake by call andthen I'm going to come back to
USO's.
Okay.
So in 2009, Russia declassified,a lot of, um, a lot of documents
(09:40):
and in those documents werereferences to encounters that
the Russian Navy had had withUSO's and one in particular it's
undated, but there was a nuclearsubmarine somewhere in the South
Pacific and they allegedly orreportedly in the documents
encountered this formation ofalien aircraft that were in the
(10:00):
water.
And it was like 853 feet deep tobe exact.
Wow.
So they were, they were able tosee down into the water that
these aircraft were there.
No, they were, they were in anuclear submarine.
Uh, gotcha.
Okay.
And so their soon our picks upsix objects in the water, like
disc shaped objects.
(10:21):
So they have these six objectsin the water, the radar picks it
up and it's going at this crazyspeed.
And we can have something farmore advanced than this, but
evidently U S nuclear poweredsubmarines.
It can go a little bit fasterthan 23 miles per hour.
That's fast.
But this object was going atlike 250 miles per hour stuff
(10:44):
that they had never seen out theresistance of the water.
I mean, there would be so muchresistance.
Right?
Exactly.
And the Russians at the timewere panicked and they were
thinking, could this besomething, a new weapon that us
has?
They didn't really know what tothink about it.
So these objects are comingdirectly towards them.
And at that moment was like aall hands on deck type moment at
(11:07):
some point in time that the sobslows down and then the disc
shape objects, they slow down tothe captain orders is emergency
surfacing.
And so they go up and then a fewminutes later they saw these
objects are merged from thewater and they fly away.
Whoa.
Also, according to thesedocuments that were
declassified, evidently like 50%of UFO accounters are connected
(11:32):
with the oceans.
And it also said 15% wereconnected with lakes for all
these years.
I think we've all been thinkingabout UFO's in the air force.
We've never really thoughtabout, in my opinion, like the
Navy and your foes, you wouldn'treally connect the two, I don't
think.
Right.
No.
And it's interesting, you know,I just, I'm trying to think an
(11:53):
extra terrestrial,
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Which is sort of a strange, strange way of
thinking, but I'm just thinking,why would they want to go under
water?
But then if you think about allof the life in the ocean and in
some of the other bodies ofwater, why wouldn't they there's
so much to discover down thereand maybe they're more
undetectable too.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And when researching this, I came, I came across this
one quote, over and over andover again, and I don't know who
to attribute it to, but theysaid, think about it.
We know more about the surfaceof the moon than we do about the
ocean.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Because it's so incredibly deep and vast.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah.
So now I'm going to move on to,or talk about Lake by call and
the way it's spelled is B a I Ka L and it's pronounced Lake by
call.
So it sends Southern sub-areaand I think it's reasonably
close to the Mongolian borderjust to kind of give you a
picture of what Lake by call islike, it's really, really
(12:49):
unique.
And it is actually the largestfresh water Lake in the planet
or on the planet.
So it comprises like 20% of theworld's fresh water.
And it's something like fivetimes bigger than all five of
the great lakes combined.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's amazing.
That is amazing.
When I lived in Rochester, youknow, we were right on the
shores of Lake Ontario andthat's immense when you're, you
know, when you're at the beachon Lake Ontario, you feel like
you are in some ways at theocean because it's just so vast
and imagining.
Um, and I don't think it's thebiggest of the great lakes.
So imagining all of thosetogether, it's bigger than
those.
That's, that's pretty big.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
It's incredible.
And of course I hopped onYouTube to see Lake by call and
see what it was like.
And it's absolutely stunning inone of the videos I was
watching, this guy was going tostay in a remote cabin, the cook
a little, almost like a littletrapper's cabin.
And he was going to say outthere something like nine months
in order to get there, someonehad to drive him in a van across
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the frozen Lake.
Wow.
And to watch that was just, forme, it was unnerving.
It's unbelievable.
And it's unnerving
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Hard to imagine a truck being able to stay.
You know, it was a vast J on avan, but to imagine that's
really heavy, um, that icemust've been, I can't even
imagine how thick the icemust've been.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And he wasn't even, the driver was even like
gingerly pulling onto the Lake.
No, let's take it easy oranything.
It was just barreling across theLake.
And so when the guy gets to thetrapper's cabin, he has two
bottles of vodka and he it's,you know, snows all around that.
He takes the bottles of vodka.
He throws it out into those,out, into the area, outside of
(14:34):
his cabin and evidently huntersor trappers.
When they go to these cabins,they evidently threw vodka out.
And then when the snow starts torecede, then they realize, they
realize like their season'sover.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
We should try that in Maryland.
I don't know where we would dothat at, I guess in Western,
Maryland, next time it snows.
I'm throwing my bottle of vodkaout and see,
Speaker 3 (14:56):
That's a good idea when we're, when we're rich and
we can just take off and dowhatever the hell we want to do.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
And we can waste our vodka right now.
We can't, we have to make surethat I can't using every drop
appropriately.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I can't see the two of us roughing it in a cabin.
No.
So Lake by call is reallyunique.
It's absolutely stunning.
And I had never heard of ituntil I came across the story of
the swimmer.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Can I ask you a question?
Do you think there are anycryptids at Lake by call?
Um, I mean, I know you're goingto be talking about the USO's
today, but is there any otherfolklore I wonder surrounding
it?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It's a good question.
I know there's folkloresurrounding it.
I don't know if there's anythingrelated to cryptids, but that's
something I will definitely lookinto because I think that's a
great question.
I would love that.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Like, it would be right for something like that.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I think I also neglected to mention that the
Lake is 6,000 or just about6,000 feet deep.
Well, and to, to, you know, forcomparison crater Lake, which is
an Oregon, which looksabsolutely beautiful too.
I don't know if you heard
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Of crater Lake, I've heard of it, but I've
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Never heard of it before.
And it's, um, that's the deepestLake in the U S and so that's
about 1900 feet.
So you have 1900 feet comparedto 6,000 feet deep of Lake my
call.
So I just wanted to give thatlittle overview of what my call
is like.
And that's just a very quick andrough sketch of what it's like.
(16:21):
Or
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I looked it up and I, people should take a look on the
internet because I looked it upand I saw some scenes of it in
summer, but also during winter.
And you could get a sense of theice and just what a, what a
frozen landscape.
It looked like.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It's absolutely stunning.
And since we both liked the snowin my mind, it's even more
beautiful and picturesque.
Definitely.
So now onto the swimmers.
And when I came across a story,I was just so intrigued and
fascinated by it.
Especially since it wassomething I'd never heard of
before, because you hear a lotabout UFO's and of course,
Roswell and different things,but I had never heard of this
(16:58):
incident.
And again, these things areloosely sourced, so there's a
lot of disinformation out there.
You don't really know what istrue and what isn't true.
And the Siberian times, theyalso reference this or discuss
this incident.
And so I'm just going to touchon it.
Let's just pretend that, or justentertain that perhaps this
could be true, or even partiallytrue.
(17:18):
The incident with the USO's Italked about earlier that were
then declassified documents.
They never gave a date for that.
Okay.
And so for the swimmers, thisoccurred in 1982, what happened
was, and there's differentaccounts of this, but Russian
Navy divers, they also referredto them as frogmen.
They were conducting like thisresearch mission.
It was at a depth of about 160feet.
(17:40):
And so that's a deep dive.
And when you do a deep dive likethat, you have to, when you're
coming back up, because thedecompression, you have to stop,
I think like every 15 feet andoff of a hang line, a lot of
times, I think it's like theanchor line.
I'm not a diver.
So I'm just given I given thismy best shot.
So they have to stop about every15 feet, especially when they
(18:01):
get closer to the surface.
So they don't get decompressionsickness, which is a buildup of
nitrogen in your body.
Oh, I didn't know that.
So yeah.
So say if you take a soda andyou shake it up and you just
open it up and all this stuffcomes, spewing out, that's kind
of like what decompressionsickness is like.
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
So your, can your organs explode or something like
that?
It damages,
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I believe your organs.
It can even damage your joints,um, all sorts of things, but it
could definitely kill you.
So these divers are down there,they're at 160 feet.
And when they're down there,they feel like they're being
watched and they turn around.
At some point they notice likethese huge humanoid figures that
were like nine to 10 feet tall,and they look like they were
(18:45):
wearing some type of helmet andthey were wearing these, these
very tight silver suits.
Okay.
I don't know who got this brightidea and I've heard two
different takes on this one takeis that they go up and they tell
their commander like what theysaw and what do we do.
And the commander's like, getback down there and I want you
to catch one of these things.
(19:07):
So they go down and try to catchit.
Another account is that theyjust decide on their own that
they're going to catch it.
And I don't even know how thiswould work.
They decided they were going tocatch it with a net.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That just seems so stupid to me.
So you have, what is probablythis other worldly being, and
you're going to use a net to tryto catch it.
That just doesn't make anysense.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
The only thing I can think of, they probably had some
type of mechanism or devicewhere I would think that they
could shoot it or be some typeof projectile that would do
that.
I can't see them trying to,let's go, you know, put a net
over your head
Speaker 1 (19:41):
When the lights are in or something.
No, no, it's crazy.
You know, when you're talkingabout this creature, it kind of
reminds me of the creature.
What does that movie, um, for,for the creature, from the black
lagoon, I actually really lovethat movie, but I always end up
feeling some empathy for thecreature.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I haven't, it's been years, but I've seen it too.
And I understand what you'retalking about.
And even, um, in the documentaryabout Michelle McNamara.
Yes.
Oh my God, the person who did,who wrote the book on the
original night stalker, there'sa brief clip in the film talking
about when she first met herhusband and they talked about
their favorite movie and that'dbe in there their favorite
(20:17):
movie.
And this showed a scene fromthat movie.
Yeah.
That was really well done.
As I was saying before thedivers, they decide they're
going to, or they're told thatthey need to capture one of
these.
And so they try to do it.
And they're all like expelledfrom the water, some civil Wars.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So the dive, the divers, the humans,
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yes.
The divers, there's like sevenof them.
And they're just expelled fromthe water by some unknown forest
.
And it happens rapidly.
So when that happened rapidly,they suffered from decompression
sickness.
There were like twodecompression chambers and one
was broken evidently.
And I think the most that youcould put in there at a time is
(20:57):
supposed to be two people.
And they put like four and theother people, the other three
people were all on the shore.
I wonder how they decided, who,who got the, I don't know,
chamber, maybe it was just basedon who they thought was the
worst off.
So the people on the shore didnot make it.
Wow.
And I'm not sure, a hundredpercent sure that everybody in
the decompression chamber madeit.
(21:17):
I think that they did, or atleast three of them did, but
they put far more people inthere.
Then they were supposed to theirreports to that.
These divers were too upset totalk about the incident.
And some people think that oralleged that the Russian
government tried to, or theRussian government threatened
them not to talk about it.
(21:37):
So I just think that's like thecreepiest thing one, the deep
ocean scares me.
I don't know why, but it alwayshas probably because of, because
of sharks and jaws and all that,but it's also
Speaker 1 (21:47):
No, no, I think, you know, we don't know what lurks
down there.
Um, you can't see when, when youget deep enough, I mean the
light doesn't penetrate anymore,
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So it's dark it's.
So I just find that frightening.
And then also I think the aspectof the story that I find is
frightening is that you're downthere or you're working or on
something or doing whatever itis that they were doing.
And they feel like there'd be awash and they turn around.
Yeah.
These beans.
That's so interesting.
And I wonder, you know, I wonderif there's a word for that
(22:16):
feeling of being watched.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
'cause you, you hear people talking about that.
And I think it's this sensationthat most people can kind of
understand, but it's veryunique.
It's very unique sensation.
It's hard to do
Speaker 3 (22:27):
It is.
And I, I think too, as a woman,you tend to kind of, I think
develop that more so than men.
It's just like this, justknowing that you're in danger or
that as you were saying, you'rebeing watched, or I don't know
what you would call that even
Speaker 1 (22:44):
At a cocktail party or you've been sitting in a room
and you can feel somebody's eyeson you and you look over and you
make eye contact, you know, eventhat, that doesn't, it's not
necessarily a situation ofdanger, but it's that feeling.
You can feel it, you can feelsomeone else.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
It is.
And it's not like you're talkingto someone and you're reading
microexpressions or you'repicking up things that perhaps
you don't necessarily alwayspick up on, or you alerted to
something by my, by microexpressions.
And this is something completelydifferent in the sense that you
just feel like you're beingwatched and you turn around and
staring at you, you're beingwatched.
(23:20):
Yeah.
That's really, that is verycreepy
Speaker 1 (23:23):
In, you're an invite.
You're in an environment that'shostile really that, you know,
you can't, I mean, you're notunsure, so you can't take off
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Running.
You're stuck.
You're stuck down there.
Imagine that feeling to say, forexample, if, if it's the one
account where one of them atleast surfaces and talks to
their commander and he's like,Oh, you get down there and you
catch this thing.
Can you imagine that feelingwould be like,
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I think that would be the feeling for me of mutiny,
absolutely AWOL.
I would go AWOL with them.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I would be like, this is not happening.
So that's the story of theswimmers of Lake by call.
And I just think even like themcalling it the swimmers or
something super creepy aboutthat, and evidently the locals,
they it's just kind of liketaken as fact that there's weird
stuff that goes into, or there'sweird things that surround Lake
(24:15):
by call.
I didn't come across anythingwhere anyone else had
encountered these beans, butthere've been UFO, sightings and
alien sightings there for quitesome time.
That's super fascinating.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
It definitely makes me want to do a little more
research and see if I can find,you know, if there are any other
stories, any other, um,folklore,
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Anything else?
I think that's definitelysomething that's worth
researching and I'm sure there'sgotta be all sorts of things.
And, and to do another episodeon that.
Um, definitely.
So with li with USO's, it's notjust the, the Russian Navy that
has had experiences with USO'sand in 1966 and around Catalina
(24:58):
Island, are you familiar withCatalina Island at all?
that off South Carolina?
No, it's actually like, it'sactually 22 miles Southwest of
Los Angeles.
Oh, okay.
And so there's this channelthat's between or they consider
it a channel between, um,Catalina Island and Los Angeles.
And I can, I can't remember theother port there, but there are
(25:22):
two huge ports.
Catalina Island is 175 squaremiles.
And there've been numerousreports of UFO's or USO's around
that area.
In 1966, there is a video of aUFO it's like any UFO video that
I've seen before, because it's,to me, it kind of looks like a
(25:44):
little blimp.
Okay.
It looks like it's descending onthe Island and it's going,
compared to other things thatI've watched at a relatively
slow pace, but there doesn'tappear to be any wings or
anything with it or a tail oranything.
So of all the UFO videos thatI've seen, I think it's quite
unique in that aspect.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Is it kind of lip tickle or cylindrical?
Like a, I've heard a blimp
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Described as a disc shape, but when I look at it, I
don't necessarily see a disc.
Um Hmm.
But it's a very, it's Gradyfootage and it's black and
white, but it's unusual comparedto other things that I've seen.
So there didn't appear to be anytail or visible means of
propulsion at all.
And there was also anotherresident of the soul, another
(26:28):
UFO about two years later.
And he was given the explanationof it being a weather balloon
like they did with Roswell.
They'd
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Say that about everything.
I mean, how many weather
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Balloons are there out there?
That's what the witness said too, is that he seemed pretty, I
mean, by my standards, I guess,you know me, I can be kind of
judgy and, Oh, this person'sreally wacky.
He just seemed kind of aordinary guy.
And he said the same thing too.
It's like, I think he's beengiven different explanations
before, but one of them was, Iguess the moon is a weather
(27:01):
balloon that line that they saythat two, two college students
had released a weather balloonactually went to
Speaker 1 (27:07):
The local meteorological.
I don't know what you would callit.
Was it the local airport?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Um, my brother was a reporter at the time
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And I don't know why we were doing, he was doing some
story, but we met themeteorologist and he, um, let us
watch him let off the weatherballoon, which was a really good
.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Hmm.
Yeah, no, you never told me thatbefore.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I can see why it's not the most riveting story,
but, but you know, I got to seeone and you know, it didn't look
like a URL.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah.
They showed some imagery of whatthat would look like.
And I have no idea what it was,but as I said, it was, it was
very different than things thatI've watched before.
And I'll watch a ton of this.
So probably one of the mostcompelling and most significant
disclosures of UFO's or USO'shappen when the release, I think
(27:53):
about three or four years ago offootage by Navy pilots.
And you've probably seen it'scalled the tic-tac video.
I have seen that.
Yes.
So these pilots, they get intheir sights, this thing that
they call it looks like atic-tac and it's just
maneuvering at rapid speeds anddisappearing and appearing in
(28:14):
other places, you know, like,um, I think I heard one of the
pilots, describe it as a, like aping pong or something.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
It kind of almost seems like it's playing with
them.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I think.
Yeah, it does.
It sounds that way.
Or just trying to evade them,who knows?
I mean, what the, what themotivation, or I don't even know
motivation what the, what thepurpose is.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
They were trying to retrieve their pants off the top
of a long John silver.
That's what was happening.
And I'm like, I think I see howlong John Silver's there.
Isn't over there.
No, no, that's a McDonald's andI can completely relate to that.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
They have my respect.
So this occurred, it's calledthe U S S S Nimitz aircraft,
like incident, or they call itthe Nimitz incident in 2004.
This was about 60 to a hundredmiles off the coast of San
Diego.
And so the pilots, what theywere doing, it was just an
exercise.
And I think they were doing itin conjunction with the Marines,
(29:08):
which I didn't know the Marineshad pilots or had Navy Amy, Amy,
or had jets.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I didn't tell you this, but Amy McGrath flew a
plane and the Marines done.
So, Oh my God, here we go.
With Amy or grouse.
I bet people, do you want totell people who Amy McGrath, Amy
McGrath is?
She was running for Senateagainst Mitch McConnell.
She's from Kentucky, but she isa Marine.
Um, she's do you never say four?
I don't think you say formerMarine.
(29:34):
She's not currently in theservice Marine.
You're always a Marine.
She's always Marine, but, um,yeah.
She's she was a pilot and shestill flies.
I think she
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Flew herself around for the campaign.
So, and I sent her a fair bit ofmoney during the campaign, but
yeah,
Speaker 1 (29:49):
You're getting carried away now worried about,
you know, at some point sheshe's going to beat him or he's
going to
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Die.
So anyway, carry on.
I think he's going to die first.
He is turning
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Purple.
This is her being able to be now.
It's
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Not a good sign.
He's disgusting.
And he makes me absolutely sick.
I digress.
He's disgusting.
Anyway.
So in 2004, there was 60 to ahundred miles off the coast of
San Diego.
Navy pilots were basically doingan exercise with the Marines.
So now it's good to know thatthe Marines actually have
(30:20):
fighter jets.
I don't think they were armed atall.
So I think
Speaker 1 (30:23):
That made it even more kind of alarming to them.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah.
And the way that they wereconducting this exercise, and
maybe this is too much detail,but like two people will be the
good guys and two people will bethe bad guys.
And so you're just trying tointercept each other.
And I guess, I don't know whatelse is involved do like
military.
I have no idea.
And it's not helping that thisdrink is going to my head.
(30:46):
I've already finished minded.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It's long gone.
I mean, long since gone to myhead.
Well,
Speaker 3 (30:51):
My second split, so, well, I was on my second split
45 minutes ago.
Well, you're drinking it slowly,so that's good.
So the commander, one of thepeople that, you know, was one
of the pilots, he said that itwas like a perfectly clear day
and that when they were flyingout there, they saw something.
I think initially, and I thoughtthis was really interesting too,
(31:12):
the way he talked about it,because they're constantly kind
of doing this reality testingthat they see something they're
like, Oh, okay, well, this couldbe about trying to bring drugs
into the country.
And then they get closer andthey see this turbulence on the
water and they think, okay, wellthat is a rock formation that
waves are crashing against.
So there, you know, internallythey're coming up with all these
(31:34):
reasons or for why this ishappening while there's
turbulence.
And then they see that there waslike, this tic-tac shape, that's
hovering above the water.
And at some point in time, hejust takes off.
As I said, I think one of the, Ithink the commander, he
described it as like a ping pongwall.
They were just like, what isthis?
This thing's all over the place.
(31:54):
The other pilot was a woman.
I don't think she wants to beidentified as who she is, but
she had commented that, youknow, how do, how do you fight
something like this?
You know, how do you fight itprobably can't even get your
sights on it because it's sofast.
So I think, um, the commanderDavid Fravor, he's been more
(32:15):
willing to be interviewed or totalk about this incident in
interview with the Washingtonpost.
He had said that quote, like,um, he said the object was not
from this earth.
That's so scary.
And the title of the article is,um, his former Navy pilot
describes UFO encounter andsecret Pentagon program.
And it's by Eli Rosenberg, Ithink it's Eli Rosenberg.
(32:37):
And what Fravor disclosed, whathe said was that, and I don't
think it was, it was in thisarticle, but he was also
interviewed by Joe Rogan who hasprobably the number one podcast
in the country, or maybe eventhe world he was interviewed by
him.
And what he said was thatevidently there have been
sightings of these things twoweeks before his encounter and
(32:59):
he was unaware of it.
And he said, the reason why hewas unaware of it or Alisa, he
was told this later is becausethey didn't actually have any
pilots or anything out therethat were engaging with it or
encountering it directly.
It was just, I guess, based ontheir radar and watch what they
were watching this incident, theNimitz incident was first
(33:22):
reported by the, the New Yorktimes.
And it was written by HeleneCooper, Leslie Kean and Ralph
Blumenthal, Leslie Kean.
And I think you've heard me talkabout her before.
You probably don't remember hername, Jen, but she wrote this
credible book and it's calledUFO's generals, pilots, and
(33:42):
government officials go on therecord.
Oh no, I haven't had a book.
That sounds fascinating.
It was published in 2010.
So evidently she was evenresearching this phenomenon 10
years before.
And her name is Leslie Kean,Leslie Kean, K E a N.
And I have a book and I've readsome of the accounts and it's a
(34:05):
really interesting book, but ithas very credible sources.
It doesn't seem like she takeslike a role.
Well, I want to say, like, Ithink she takes a line of
something's happening.
We don't know what it is, butsomething's happening.
And we don't know what thesethings are and that it could be
a danger to not only nationalsecurity, but also just aviation
in general.
Wow.
Yeah.
(34:25):
She's also written a book Ibelieve on, on life after death.
And you know, she's taking likean objective viewpoint on this.
I haven't read that either.
I haven't even gotten throughall this book, but I actually,
when I was on a zoom meeting,this is terrible, but I covered
it up on my bookshelf.
Let everybody see my UFOencrypted and all this craziest
(34:50):
on.
That's too funny.
But I understand.
I think if it's like, I think ifit's just like a random book
here and there, but when yourwhole bookshelf price
Speaker 1 (35:00):
And you've got your Yeti, you've got your Yeti, they
wouldn't know what that wasthough.
And if they did know what it wasand they shouldn't be judging
you because they have one too,
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Ask you to, to check on me, Jen, do a welfare check
or something
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Probably would, Oh my God, I'd have to do
Speaker 3 (35:15):
A report.
So I'm interested in onecompleting this book and then
two looking into what she'swritten about, you know, whether
or not there's life after death,very interested in that.
She seems like a very objective,um, intelligent, you know, even
handed person like she, yeah.
I mean, when I read things orsee things where someone is
(35:35):
saying that, you know, I sawthis and it's coming back in
time to warn us about, I justkind of tune out sometimes
because it's like, how can yoube so certain about those
things?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Right.
And she seems like she's a, youknow, she's a true journalist
and she's just launching inquiryand she's talking to people and
keeping an open mind, which Ireally, which I really
appreciate.
I'm looking up a couple of herbooks.
Um, it sounds very interesting.
I might get the life afterdeath.
One.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
That sounds super interesting since I have this
Speaker 1 (36:02):
One.
Yeah.
Then we can exchange.
I also want to just make it
Speaker 3 (36:05):
A few references to I'm a huge coast to coast fan or
I was, when I was younger, Iused to listen to it and be
really enthralled by the storiesthat were being told.
I've just always liked.
Is that the one where the artbell?
Yes.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
But my dad, he passed.
Yeah.
I know he passed.
My dad was really, really intothat and I don't think I ever
listened to it, but he wouldtake his radio to bed and
listen.
So that really is,
Speaker 3 (36:29):
That strikes a chord with me.
I used to listen to it at nightand just get like chills up my
spine with some of the thingsthat are saying no again, I
think they have some wackypeople on there, but I think
they have credible people too.
And it's just reallyinteresting.
Listen.
And so in order to access that,now you have to pay like a
monthly fee and I've been payingthat for quite some time.
(36:50):
I don't go on there a lot, likeI should, but you know, I do
listen and I just find it reallyinteresting and you can go back,
but I think they have like a, avault audio vault that just art
bell.
Oh cool.
And so sometimes they go back inthat, cause I just want to see
how some of these stories and,um, things are assertions have
(37:11):
age.
Well, if they've aged well
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Now does, does coast to coast, is that mainly cover
extra terrestrial, UFO, USO typestuff.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
They cover all sorts of things like paranormal to,
you know, UFO's to, um, to highstrangeness, to psychic ability.
It sounds so for all sorts ofthings with coast to coast,
they, I went back and I lookedand I tried to find anything on
like USO's UFO's especiallyanything that centered around
(37:39):
Russia.
And I came across a show thatwas from 2016.
It was about three hours.
I think initially like the firsthour was, was an interview with
George Carlin's daughter for thefirst hour.
So the interview was like withPaul Stonehill and Richard Dolan
and they were discussing RussianUSO incidents.
(38:00):
And again, that was like in2016.
So if anyone ever wants to goback and, and read about that,
that they can.
And Paul is actually a, uh,immigrant from Russia really.
And they have a book out, Ithink a stone Hills probably had
a number of books out, maybeeven Richard Dolan too.
And I haven't, I haven't orderedthose or read those or anything,
(38:20):
but I just thought I would justput that out there.
If someone wants to listen, orif people want to listen to
coast to coast, it was aninterview from May 15th, 2016
and it discusses some of thesethings.
So that is the story of theswimmers of Lake by call and
USO's.
Well,
Speaker 1 (38:36):
That was so interesting to me.
I feel like I learned a lot andthere's so much more I want to
find out.
So, um, I might, I mightactually sign up for coast to
coast.
Is it, is it expensive?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I think it's only like six or$7 a month, but for
the purpose of just curiosityand then also for the podcast, I
think, um, you know, it's moneywell spent.
I know that I find it.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah.
It sounds like the F I likesomething I like to go to bed
sometimes.
And that's usually when I listento my podcasts, um, I mean, it
is a little, you don't want toget too creeped out, but there's
something about just pulling thecovers up and nestling down with
the cats and listening tosomething kind of scary
Speaker 3 (39:13):
For me years ago when I was young or much younger, it
just kind of lets yourimagination slowly.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah.
But you're not bounded by, youknow, well, such and such is not
possible.
It's very speculative, I guessthat's the word for it.
And it makes me think more aboutmy dad and, you know, my dad
was, he was a character like hereally did.
He did love that stuff.
He, he had a very speculativemind, so I'm not, I'm not at all
surprised that he liked thatshow.
I wish
Speaker 3 (39:38):
I could talk to him about it.
My dad too.
I don't know if he listened tothe show.
He never mentioned listening tothe show, but my father was very
suspicious of the government andthings like that.
And I think that, I think one ofthe things that I have so many
things to, um, that I findextremely objectionable, the way
that conspiracy theories havebeen thrown out there and used
(40:02):
as disinformation and you know,things to, to, to create
infighting within the UnitedStates.
And I just find it very sad.
And I also find it, I think, youknow, conspiracy theories, if
you attach that label conspiracytheories, it doesn't mean that
something isn't true.
There have been conspiracytheories or conspiracies that
(40:22):
have been proven, like MK ultra,things like that.
So I think it really denigratesa healthy questioning of our
government
Speaker 1 (40:31):
That makes so much sense.
It seems like part of whatyou're saying is that it's the
way it's politicized or used forpolitical ammunition somehow is,
is where it fails.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
And thank you, my friend, because as you can see,
I've had too much to drink.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
No, exactly.
I was trying to say sometimes I,I like to check what people are
saying by trying to say it backon my own words.
I think that's part of, part ofmy work as a therapist.
So like I just do that becausesometimes I'm not sure if I'm
getting something, so I'm gladthat I got it because just
wanted to be sure.
Well,
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I kind of semi explained it.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
I know we've talked about conspiracy theories
before, but I don't think I, youever formulated it in that way.
So that really helps meunderstand a little better, like
where you're coming from andwhat you mean by that.
And I think that I so agree withyou about, you know, whether
something is true.
I mean, I'm a great reader offiction, you know, and for the
first six years of school, youknow, after high school, like I
(41:26):
studied literature and that'sliterature is a place where
anything can be true and in awhole range of possibilities,
you know, limitless range ofpossibilities.
And I think that's one of thereasons why I love it.
And, and I th I don't, I don'treally know what I'm trying to
say, except that I'm all forspeculation and for, um,
searching out what's true, butentertaining multiple truths and
(41:48):
multiple things can be true atdifferent times, if that makes
any sense at all.
Yeah.
And just open to possibilities.
And as I was saying before, orat least I think I was saying is
that it's healthy to question arefinement because government
does shady ESHA.
They do that.
And I think sometimes you wonderlike, okay, are they protecting
us for certain, from certainthings?
(42:09):
Like, if you think about, youknow, extra terrestrial stuff, I
mean, are they trying topreclude a panic?
I've seen Obama interviewed andhe talks about how, you know, I
think Clinton too.
And they said, did you ask tosee files?
And he's like, Oh, of course Idid.
But you know, there's some stuffthey won't even show presidents.
So it is very, very interesting.
It's funny that you say thatbecause the person who did the
forward to the Keene book isJohn Podesta.
(42:32):
Oh.
And, um, I can't remember whathis official title is.
I don't know if he had beenchief of staff at the time.
I can't remember.
I don't know if it wasnecessarily that, but he did the
forward and he's always beeninterested in UFO's and advocate
of disclosure.
And here you read to right here,I read that's exactly what I was
going to say.
Yes, Harry Reed is, well, maybewe can get here.
(42:55):
He read it.
And John Podesta and, um, yeah,we can shoot for that about
that.
Well, I've really enjoyed thisconversation because as I said,
I just think imagination andopen being open to
possibilities.
It just, it makes my mind sore.
And I've really liked that.
Yeah.
(43:15):
I mean my mind cancer.
Oh my gosh.
Well, I think one of thereasons, I don't know, this
sounds weird.
Like one of the reasons whywe're friends is like, because I
appreciate, I appreciate thatabout you.
Like, you are a person who lovesto, who loves to entertain
possibility and you're likeendlessly curious, and those are
my favorite kind of people.
You know, those are the people Ifeel most comfortable with
because it's just, it's justfun.
(43:36):
And if we're not here to thinkand to wonder about things and
what are we here for Q I, I justlove discussing POS discussing
possibilities.
So absolutely.
What does that Emily Dickinsonthere's that line?
I dwell in possibility, a fairerhouse than prose.
So we'll end on.
We'll end on Emily.
Well then if we're going to end,
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Then Emily that's do a toast to Emily,
Speaker 1 (43:58):
But I have nothing left, but neither do you.
I can see your class.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
No, I have about a quarter of an edge of, so I'm
going to do a I'm here.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
See if I get anything here and to Emily, Emily,
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Thank you to everyone who listens.
The best thing you can do tohelp us grow is to like review
on subscribe on iTunes and evenbetter yet tweet about us or
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Tell your friends if you thinkthey would like us and have a
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