October 7, 2025 • 26 mins
The Museum of Modern Art, also known as the MoMA, in New York City, is one of the most worthwhile museums to visit while in the city. With 5+ floors and hundreds of thousands of pieces, including works by Jackson Pollock, Pablo Picasso, and Paul CĂ©zanne, there is something for everyone at this world-class museum.
Before you go, listen to this episode covering some of the most famous art, tour options, ticket prices, and must-know tips for your museum visit. 👇
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What is the Museum of Modern Art?
The MoMA, in Midtown Manhattan on 53rd Street, is a modern art museum featuring thousands of works spanning from 1880 to the present day.
- Originally opened in 1929 and expanded multiple times before opening at their current location in Midtown in 1939
- The museum's collection originally consisted of eight prints and one drawing, and now boasts over 200,000 works
- The Museum’s Library and Archives contain the leading concentration of research material on modern art in the world
- Over 2.5 million visitors per year, putting it at the 6th-most visited museum in America and 20th in the world
What Famous Art is at the MoMA?
- Jackson Pollock - multiple large pieces (mostly on the 4th floor)
- Robert Rauschenberg - Carnegie Hall dumpster eagle in “Canyon” (mostly on the 4th floor)
- Campbell's Soup Cans by Andy Warhol - 32 cans (mostly on the 4th floor)
- Ester Hernandez - Sun Mad (mostly on the 4th floor)
- James Rosenquist - F-111, 86 foot long (mostly on the 4th floor)
- Claude Monet's Water Lilies (5th)
- Multiple Georgia O’Keeffe pieces, mostly on the 5th floor
- Multiple Henri Matisse pieces, Mosley on the 5th floor
- Multiple Pablo Picasso pieces, mostly on the 5th floor
- Multiple Henri Rousseau pieces
- Multiple Georges-Pierre Seurat
- Paul CĂ©zanne
Generally speaking, the bulk of the more famous pieces are located on the 5th floor, with many well-known collections also on the 4th floor. Our advice is to start on the 5th floor and work your way down.
They also offer itineraries on their website to help you plan ahead, as well as an audio guide and maps at the museum. For kids, they offer an Activity Guide.
How Much Are MoMA Tickets?
Ticket prices vary depending on age and are as follows:
- Adults - $30
- Seniors - $22
- Students - $17
- Children 16 and Under - Free
- Every Friday, free for New York residents, but you must reserve a ticket in advance
Does the MoMA Offer Tours?
Yes, the MoMA offers tours. For most tour options, a group of at least 10 people is required, with a cost of $55 per person.
There are options through tour operators like Get Your Guide that allow you to book for smaller groups, but spots are extremely limited and only available on Saturdays and Sundays.
What to Know Before Visiting the Museum of Modern Art in NYC
- Either come at the very beginning of the day or near the end for fewer crowds
- Wear comfortable shoes
- Eat before going - See our top nearby food options here
- Most visitors will stay for 1-3 hours
- Ideally, save a museum day for poor weather, although many others will also have that idea
- The main store is in the basement of the museum, and the MoMA design store is across the street, with additional options
- Outdoor area on the main floor is open year-round - upper terrace is seasonal and often only accessible if you eat at the caf
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Welcome to the Better Together Here podcast with your host,
Devin. And Ashley?
Helping you make the most of your time in New York City.
Hey everyone, and welcome to today's episode of the Better
Together Here podcast. My name is Devin.
And my name is Ashley. Today we are giving you a Quick
guide to one of the world's mostfamous museums, and certainly
one of New York's most popular and famous museums, and that is
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the Museum of Modern Art in Midtown Manhattan.
We're going to let you know whatit is, where it is, how much
tickets cost, some of the famousart Ieces there tour
information, what you need to know before you go.
We are going to cover it all andwe have arguably one of our
favorite, you'll have to check it out segments, a unique food
Tour Company that you really want to know about.
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So let's get right into it. So before we dive in to talking
about the Museum of Modern Art, otherwise called the MO Ma, we
just want to preface this episode by saying that we are
not art experts. Neither of us have ever really
studied art history. But we do enjoy art and we do go
to lots of art museums because we live here in New York City
and we love art. Does 10th grade art class count
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as studying art history? Because if so, then I studied
art history. You studied more history than I
did, probably. But yeah, we like going to
museums, but we are not experts.We will probably pronounce names
wrong. So.
But I think that is one of the joys of New York City is that
you are in a place with some world renowned museums.
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You can spend 30 minutes there. You can spend 5 hours there.
And if you are not someone who is a die hard art person but you
still appreciate the arts, you can have a great experience.
And I think that's one of the things that's so cool about the
huge art museums in New York City is whether you are an art
expert or a complete novice, youcan find something that you
enjoy and something that speaks to you in one of these museums.
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First off, what is the Museum ofModern Art?
The works inside the Museum of Modern Art span from 1880 to the
present day, hence Modern Art from their website.
Their mission statement says theMuseum of Modern Art connects
people from around the world to the art of our time.
We aspire to be a catalyst up for experimentation, learning
and creativity. A gathering place for all and a
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home for artists and their ideas.
The Museum of Modern Art, like Ashley said, also called the
MoMA. That's probably what you'll hear
it most often referenced as is. The MoMA first opened in 1929
and despite some profitability issues and funding problems,
expanded multiple times just in the 1st 10 years until they
opened at their current locationwhich is in Midtown in 1939.
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Initial collections consisted ofonly 8 prints and one drawing
and now the Museum of Modern Arthas over 200,000 works and the
museum's library and archives contains the leading
concentration of research material on modern art in the
world. So not only is the Museum of
Modern Art a world renowned museum for the art, you can go
in and see in the collections that are there, but they are
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doing research, they are aggregators, they are teachers
and educators around all things modern art and they're one of
the leaders of it in the entire world.
And because of that, the MO MA in New York has over 2 and a
half million visitors every year, putting it at the 6th most
visited museum in America and 20th in the entire world.
So again, even if you are not anabsolute arty, is that what it's
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called, An arty? I would call him an arty, an art
buff. And yeah.
You should still go to the MO Ma.
We mentioned it. It's in Midtown which is very
convenient. It is on 53rd St. and it is
extremely accessible for multiple subway lines, including
the NQR, ACE, and BFM trains. Basically, wherever you are in
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New York City, you could probably get to the MoMA in less
than 45 minutes. Like Devin said, it's a very
convenient location. And by that we mean the MoMA is
pretty close to a lot of the sites that you're already going
to want to see in New York. It's right by Rockefeller
Center, it's right by Central Park, it's right by Times
Square. It's probably about a 10 or 15
minute walk away from any of those major sites that you're
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already going to want to see on your trip to New York City.
Yeah, you can very easily work it into other plans that you may
have. It is open every day from 10:30
AM to 5:30 PM, and it is open later on Fridays until 8:30 PM.
Okay, let's talk about some of the famous art that is at the
moment. So again, if you're like us,
you're not and art buff, you maybe know some names.
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You've heard of Picasso before, you've heard of Sera Cezanne,
you've heard of some of these names.
Jackson Pollock. Van Gogh.
Van Gogh. But you maybe aren't super
familiar with all of their works, or you don't know all
their history. There are some really extremely
famous pieces of art in the MO Ma, so we want to highlight some
of those. Generally speaking, the bulk of
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the more famous pieces are on the 5th floor, which is the top
floor, with many of the other well known ones on the 4th
floor. So the 4th and the 5th floor is
where you could probably spend the majority of your time, but
every floor has amazing pieces. One of the most famous pieces of
art that I'm aware of that's at the MO Ma that I think even if
you don't know much about art, you are familiar with this piece
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and that is Van Gogh's Starry Night that lives at the MO Ma
and it is awesome. So don't miss that when you go
to the MO Ma. Some would argue it's as good as
the rendition that I did in 3rd grade called Starry Night.
So you haven't learned about art?
Do you have a picture of that? If I find it, I will add it to
the website. We can do like a little side by
side situation. Jokes aside, that is definitely
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the most crowded popular piece that is in the museum.
Like often there's like a huge crowd almost line of people to
get to it, which it is what it is.
There are also some phenomenal pieces by Jackson Pollock.
A lot of people know him. Again, if you're not really into
art is like kind of the splatterpaintings where there's a lot of
different colors and lines and it seems a little chaotic, which
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to me sometimes I look at modernart and I think I could do that
or this isn't that artistic. And again, like art buffs don't
hate me. Don't get mad at us for the
things that we're saying. But I will say, when you see a
Jackson Pollock piece up close, the scale of it and like the
intricacy of it for despite it looking chaotic, it is amazing.
It really makes you feel something.
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They really are huge canvases, which I don't know, like when
I've seen photos of it online, it just like really doesn't do
it justice. Like when you are up there in
the museum looking at it in person, it really is quite
breathtaking. Some other pieces that we really
like. Robert Rauschenberg has a piece
called Canyon. It is one of the more
interesting pieces. You'll know exactly what it is
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when you see it. There's an eagle at the bottom.
Like a stuffed eagle, that is. Taxidermy Eagle.
Yeah, that's coming off the piece.
There's other things around it, but the wild thing about it is
that eagle that is on display inthe piece The Canyon in the MO
Ma. Robert Rosenberg found that
eagle in a dumpster at Carnegie Hall.
So like I, I do love that about modern art is that it's a lot of
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just like taking the pieces thatare around you.
And there's a lot of that at theMO Ma of people are like pulling
things out of dumpsters or, you know, taking everyday objects
and turning them into art and artistic representation.
So very, very cool, honestly. Can you imagine being the person
that threw away that taxidermy eagle and then now it's like
literally in the moment, probably worth millions of
dollars. I want this back story.
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I would love to know. I'm sure it's not possible to
figure out who threw away that eagle, but that would be awesome
to know other famous pieces. Campbell's soup cans by Andy
Warhol, 32 of them. Whole wide array which I don't
know if you knew this about the Campbell soup cans.
I was reading this when we were there recently that he painted
this because he had Campbell's soup for lunch every day for 20
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years. Yeah, I was reading that too.
I love that he's just like made some of his most famous art from
his favorite lunch like. That rocks.
Yeah, it really does. There's a wonderful piece called
Sun Mad by Esther Hernandez, which is like a play on of Sun
made. It is about.
Like the Raisin Company. Yeah, like the raisins.
And it's about her visiting family, I believe, in California
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and seeing all the toxins that were being used to grow the
grapes that became raisins. So obviously, like a lot of art
is trying to make a point or make us think, and that one
definitely does that. James Rosenquist has a piece
called F111, which is an 86 footlong.
It takes up literally an entire room in the MoMA.
It's kind of like a mural of Americana, almost.
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And like, American consumerism and war, but the whole thing's
kind of like neon and bright andwell lit.
It's like really cool to go and look at.
Most of those that we just mentioned are on the 4th floor
when you move up to the fifth floor.
Arguably my favorite museum roompiece work of art ever is Claude
Monet's Water Lilies. It's placed in its own room.
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Again, this is 1, where the scale of it is just absolutely
unbelievable. It takes up basically 2 full
walls for just one of those canvases and then there's a
couple individual ones. But like that room is the
epitome of art making you feel peaceful, like because there's
some art that just makes again, like art is about invoking
emotions, but water lilies is like just serene.
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It's very serene and it's like Devin said, it's a very
beautiful room to walk in. Like you kind of just feel
calmer when you walk in there. Yeah, if if I was a like I have
one must see in the MoMA it is water lilies.
Yeah, I would agree with that. I would.
I would say my close second is Starry Night Van Gogh, Starry
Night. Yeah, it's amazing.
Continuing on the 5th floor, multiple Georgia O'Keeffe
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pieces, multiple Henri Matisse pieces, Pablo Picasso, Henri
Rousseau, Georges Pere Sera, Paul Cezanne, like again, names
that you've probably heard of. Even if you're not an art buff,
it is class. It is top notch famous art that
is just right there in front of you.
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And again, even if you're not a huge art person, there's just
something about that that is very, I don't know, I feel like
it just makes you feel like a part of history almost in a way,
like being able to see those things first hand.
It is. It's a unique experience.
Like you're taking part in the culture.
Yeah, exactly. As we mentioned, the bulk of the
more famous pieces are going to be on the 5th floor as well as
the 4th floor. Our advice is when you walk in
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on the ground floor, you can either take multiple escalators
up. There are also elevators.
I would start on the 5th floor where you have the most energy
and mental capacity and then work your way down just because
I would say like some of the best pieces are on the 5th and
4th floor. And I don't know, it's just you
get tired like it like they're definitely like museum fatigue,
like it's mentally taxing, like all that walking and viewing
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art, like it makes you think. And I don't know, just could
probably start at the top. Their website, the Momo website,
which we'll link to in the show notes, also offers itineraries
on their website. They have like a most famous,
they have a with families. They have a slow down like and
take things in like multiple, just different itineraries that
can help you plan ahead once you're there.
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They also have an audio guide and maps at the museum, the
audio guide of them. You can just like scan a QR code
on your phone an then either read the information or listen
to it. Don't listen to it out loud.
Have headhones if you're going to do that.
But yeah, like the moment makes it easy to just do it on your
own. Exlore on your own or have some
help with their itineraries and the audio guide and those types
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of things I personally. Really enjoy doing the audio
guide. When I go I will usually bring
Airpods and pick like 1 section where I really want to do a deep
dive and scan the QR codes and I'm able to like learn more
about it and listen. Sometimes I feel like the
plaques next to the paintings are a little bit long and hard
to read. That's just my personal opinion.
So I kind of like listening to it and observing the art rather
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than like staring at the words and reading about it.
So I would spring headphones. Also, if you're going to the
moment with kids at the front desk, they do have a free
activity guide that you can get.I believe it comes with like
pencils and crayons and it includes activities such as
searching, drawing, posing, and imagining on some of the most
famous pieces of art. Some of them do have plaques
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specifically written for children which I think is cool
and I personally get a lot out of reading those even as an
adult just cuz I feel like it breaks down the art and guides
you to look at what's important in more clear language.
I guess the moment is really funfor kids.
I would say try to not bite off more that you can chew if you're
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going with a child. Obviously depending on their age
and interest level, but. We've taken multiple nieces and
nephews there, ranging in ages from like 4:00 to 12 or 13, and
I think they've all enjoyed it. It's again, like, no, you know
your kids, you know the people you're going to be with.
An hour might be your Max, but you know, you might have a kid
who loves art and wants to be there for a few hours.
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And so, you know, take it as it comes.
One thing that I love to do at the MO, Ma specifically, I mean
this works at any Art Museum. Feel free to borrow this game
from me and hopefully I don't offend any art buffs that may be
listening to this, but Devin andI love to play the game.
Art or fart. I don't know like a lot of times
you're the kids love it. Like when we went to the Momo a
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couple months ago with my nephews, my 4 year old nephew
loved this game and he like really took it seriously.
Like he would basically how the game works is you look at a
piece of art and you just ask yourself like, is it art or is
it fart? Because sometimes things are
very clearly art took a long time, very intricate, makes you
feel something. And sometimes frankly, you look
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at a canvas on the wall and there's like one single dot on
there and I'm like, I could havedone that.
To me that's fart. And but sometimes it makes you
feel something. So it's, it's a subjective game.
There's no right or wrong answers, but it's makes makes it
a little more fun, especially when you walk through an entire
room of fart. And our four year old nephew
loved it, which says a lot aboutus in this game.
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So take take with that for what it is.
Another tip with kids is you gotto feed them before you go in.
I mean this is for adults too. Like do not go to the MoMA.
Like if you have breakfast at 8:00, don't go to the MoMA at 11
right before lunch. Like planet around food, which
leads us to this episode. You'll have to check it out
segment. The next stop is culinary
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backstreets. OK, culinary backstreets from
their own website covers the world's best eating destinations
with city guides, food tours, multi day trips and daily
dispatches. Let me just say this, in the age
of like TikTok and Instagram, a lot of food places have started
to cater to those social media platforms where they just want
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to show things off and present food or drinks or even the
ambience. That's like just for the
Internet and for social media. And you know what, for people
who that's important to, that's fine.
But what I love about culinary Backstreets is their tours are
not just about food. They are about the culture, the
history, the people of the area that you were doing the tour of
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the people behind the restaurants.
It's more than just like I'm going to have a bunch of amazing
food at once or on a tour. It is I am not simply just
taking from these cultures like I am learning about them.
I am becoming immersed in them and I am better understanding
how food ties into the culture of us as humanity in these
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specific regions. We've done 2 culinary backstreet
tours before. We first participated in the
Asia and Queens Food Tour here in New York City.
That takes place in Flushing, IN.
That's a neighborhood in Queens.Which is the number one
concentration of, I believe Chinese.
People outside of mainland. China, yeah.
Which really is a cool area to check out and I would highly
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highly recommend the Asian Queens Culinary Backstreets tour
if you are here in New York Cityand you do like Asian food.
And also recently we went to their Made in Catalonia food
tour when we were in Barcelona and that was awesome.
One of my favorite things about the Culinary Backstreets tours
is that you will try foods that you would have never chosen for
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yourself and have some amazing new experiences and try a lot of
new things. They pretty much take all of the
guesswork out of it for you and pick things that they think that
you will like and that are part of the culture and teach you
about them. And additionally, because you're
walking around to different spots, like the one we did in
Queens, we probably went to seven to 10 different little
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restaurants or food courts within Flushing.
But as you're walking through the different ones as well,
they're talking to you about maybe land marks that you're
passing by and how it relates tothe culture.
And it's more than just a food tour.
I like as well that it's usuallysmaller groups so you can ask
questions. You don't feel like you're, you
know, trying to fight with 20 other people to get the
attention of the tour guide. I mean, the most recent tour
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that we did, there was six of us, six of us.
I think that is just a big perk.And of course, you get to try a
ton of food. And like Ashley was saying, you
are going to try dishes that youprobably would have never tried
beforehand. And I'll just like give back on
this rant a little bit, like because the stuff that people
post about on TikTok, like generally speaking, is all just
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the same, like garbage over and over and over again.
That's not where people are actually eating.
Yeah, exactly. Like, they're popular because of
social media. Like, yeah, maybe they taste
good, but like, that's not wherelike, New Yorkers are eating.
Exactly. So if you are in New York City
or you're planning a trip to NewYork City and you are a foodie,
do the Asia in Queens tour through culinary backstreet.
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If you're travelling elsewhere in the world, they have tours on
all kinds of cities across the world.
We talked about Barcelona, they have Tokyo, they have Seoul,
they have Marseille, like so, somany.
So check them out. Trust me, you will not go
hungry. Like they buy like several
portions to be split between everybody.
And I personally just think it'skind of nice just to have like
the finances he's taken out of it and you just get to focus on
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learning and eating the food. So if you want to go to Culinary
Backstreets tour, which we have to recommend, we will link to
them in the show notes. They also have full trips where
they plan out an entire itinerary based around food
experiences. I'm not sure if they have one of
those in New York. I doubt it, but they do have
those for different places in the world.
OK, that's this episode. You have to check it out.
Segment Culinary Backstreets, and now back to the moment.
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Stand clear of the closing doors, please.
OK. A couple of their important
things we want to cover about going to the MO MA tickets for
adults, they're $30, seniors 22 students $17.00.
That includes international students and children 16 and
under are free, which I think isa great thing.
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It's a good way to get kids interested in art.
And if you are a New York resident, every Friday they do
have free hours from 5:30 to 8:30.
You just need to reserve a ticket in advance, which is
different than some of the otherpay as you wish options in New
York. So be aware of that.
Many people also wonder if the MoMA offers tours because again,
similar to culinary back streets, right?
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It's like you can just walk around in a bunch of different
restaurants, but you're not going to get the back story,
you're not going to get the culture, you're not going to
understand the context. And same goes with museums.
You can just walk around and seea lot of amazing art and have a
good experience and be on your way.
But if you're the person who likes to understand the context,
understand more about the artists, understand more about
the time period, tours are an amazing option.
The challenge with the tour options through the MoMA is that
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they typically require a group of 10 people and the cost is $55
per person. So if you don't have a group of
10, there are alternatives through tour operators like Get
Your Guide that allow you to book for smaller groups.
The thing you need to know aboutthat is that the spots are
extremely limited and the ones that we're going to link to,
they only have on Saturdays and Sundays.
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So if you are interested in doing a MoMA tour, you will need
to plan ahead. We will link to that Get your
guide tour of the MoMA. No, it is more expensive as well
because they're allowing you to book for a smaller group of
people. It is like around $100, a little
bit more, $100 per person. So just be aware that tours do
exist. We have not personally done them
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at the MoMA, but we have done them at many other museums and
have found it to be a great experience.
We did a Get Your Guide Museum tour when we were in Florence a
couple months ago, and we did itof the A Footsie A Footsie
gallery. And that was money well spent
because Devin and I don't reallyknow much about Renaissance art.
And our tour guide was absolutely incredible.
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It was just us and the tour guide and she taught us so much
and really like pointed us in the right direction, which was
really nice to have. So if it's in your budget, tours
can be a really great option. Of course, that cost that we
mentioned for the tours, that isgoing to include your admission
as well. We're going to take a quick
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Last thing we want to cover is just kind of general tips we've
talked about, like our two centson tips and tricks for going to
museums and many other episodes,but we kind of want to go
through them again for people. Number one, wear comfortable
shoes. That should be like on the list
of tips generally for coming to New York.
Like you are going to walk way more than you do if you live in
the suburbs. Honestly, if you live probably
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anywhere outside of like New York, Chicago, DC, Philadelphia,
like you're probably going to walk double or triple that what
you do back home when you're in New York City.
So definitely wear comfortable shoes and like Devin said, that
goes for your New York City trip.
In general, I would prioritize comfort over fashion.
Next one on our list is to eat before going.
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We also have a podcast episode and an article out on our
website on our favorite restaurants near the MoMA to
check out before or after you goto the MoMA.
But our advice is to eat before so you're not hungry.
There's something about walking around a museum looking at art
that makes you starving even if you've just eaten.
So definitely have a full meal before you go.
Again, if you're coming with kids, be sure to get their
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activity guide that they give you.
Most visitors will stay at the MoMA for anywhere from like 1:00
to 2:00, maybe 3 hours. So just bake that into your
timing. It's going to be crowded, right?
Like it is a world renowned museum.
There will be crowds no matter what day of the week or what
time of the day you come to the MoMA, so just be prepared for
that. You might even need to stand in
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a little bit of line to get in to get through security.
That's OK though. It's a big museum.
I think it's like 680,000 squarefeet, like it's five floors.
There's plenty of space, but I would say either come at the
very beginning of the day or near the end.
One of our favorite little tricks for going to museums is
if you know you're only going towant to be there for maybe 90
minutes and the museum closes at5:30, get there at like 345,
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four o'clock because most peopleare going to have trickled out
by then and you're going to havefewer crowds.
Our next tip for visiting the MOMa is to possibly save a museum
day for a day that has poor weather.
Just because a lot of your activities in New York are going
to be out and about walking around in the elements.
So it would be more convenient if you're inside a museum on the
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day where it's going to be particularly rainy or snowy.
However, just know a lot of other people might have that
same idea so it might be more crowded, but I still would
recommend picking a museum for agood rainy day activity.
And the last few bits of information about the MoMA
specifically, make sure when yougo to the MoMA that you go to
the MoMA store. The main store is in the
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basement of the museum where you'll be.
And then there's the MoMA Designstore across the street, which
has different options. I absolutely love the MoMA
Design store. So it's next to our Public
Library that we go to, to checkbooks in and out.
And I almost always just pop, even for like a few minutes just
to kind of see what's there. They always have new things and
just gifts and trinkets and things that you might have in
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your home, including like dishware and glasses and lamps
with this like modern design spin on it.
You have to go there when you goto the museum.
It's truly a really fun store towalk around.
I would probably put it in my top five places to find a
souvenir in New York City when you're visiting here, just
because they have such a wide array of really, really cool
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trinkets, art pieces, home items.
Books. Clothing.
Yeah, Books. Note notepads.
But yeah, if you're looking for a gift for yourself, a souvenir
for yourself, a gift for someoneelse from your trip, I would
check out the MoMA Museum store to look for something.
And on that note of it being a great place to get souvenirs for
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yourself or for people back homeis they have like New York
specific sections as well. So instead of just going like in
getting a cheap I heart NY shirtat one of the souvenir stores,
you can get like a nice well made T-shirt or notebook or
sticky notepad that has like NewYork designs on them.
It's a great, great option. Know as well that at the MoMA
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they have multiple cafes. They're not going to be cheap
and the hours vary, but those are available.
And another must do while you'reat the MoMA is to check out
their outdoor area on the main floor.
It is open year round, with maybe some limitations there
depending on the weather. There's also an upper terrace,
which is seasonal and often onlyaccessible if you eat at the
Cafe. But the outdoor area is awesome
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because you're just in you spendtime in the MoMA.
I would recommend doing it at the end of your experience.
But like you're in the MoMA, youkind of forget you're in New
York City. And then you walk into this like
tranquil garden, but you're alsosurrounded by these skyscrapers
and you can start to hear the sounds of New York City.
And there's a beautiful water feature that runs through some
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statues. More art.
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Welcome to the Better Together Here podcast with your host,
Devin. And Ashley?
Helping you make the most of your time in New York City.
Hey everyone, and welcome to today's episode of the Better
Together Here podcast. My name is Devin.
And my name is Ashley. Today we are giving you a Quick
guide to one of the world's mostfamous museums, and certainly
one of New York's most popular and famous museums, and that is
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the Museum of Modern Art in Midtown Manhattan.
We're going to let you know whatit is, where it is, how much
tickets cost, some of the famousart Ieces there tour
information, what you need to know before you go.
We are going to cover it all andwe have arguably one of our
favorite, you'll have to check it out segments, a unique food
Tour Company that you really want to know about.
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So let's get right into it. So before we dive in to talking
about the Museum of Modern Art, otherwise called the MO Ma, we
just want to preface this episode by saying that we are
not art experts. Neither of us have ever really
studied art history. But we do enjoy art and we do go
to lots of art museums because we live here in New York City
and we love art. Does 10th grade art class count
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as studying art history? Because if so, then I studied
art history. You studied more history than I
did, probably. But yeah, we like going to
museums, but we are not experts.We will probably pronounce names
wrong. So.
But I think that is one of the joys of New York City is that
you are in a place with some world renowned museums.
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You can spend 30 minutes there. You can spend 5 hours there.
And if you are not someone who is a die hard art person but you
still appreciate the arts, you can have a great experience.
And I think that's one of the things that's so cool about the
huge art museums in New York City is whether you are an art
expert or a complete novice, youcan find something that you
enjoy and something that speaks to you in one of these museums.
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First off, what is the Museum ofModern Art?
The works inside the Museum of Modern Art span from 1880 to the
present day, hence Modern Art from their website.
Their mission statement says theMuseum of Modern Art connects
people from around the world to the art of our time.
We aspire to be a catalyst up for experimentation, learning
and creativity. A gathering place for all and a
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home for artists and their ideas.
The Museum of Modern Art, like Ashley said, also called the
MoMA. That's probably what you'll hear
it most often referenced as is. The MoMA first opened in 1929
and despite some profitability issues and funding problems,
expanded multiple times just in the 1st 10 years until they
opened at their current locationwhich is in Midtown in 1939.
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Initial collections consisted ofonly 8 prints and one drawing
and now the Museum of Modern Arthas over 200,000 works and the
museum's library and archives contains the leading
concentration of research material on modern art in the
world. So not only is the Museum of
Modern Art a world renowned museum for the art, you can go
in and see in the collections that are there, but they are
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doing research, they are aggregators, they are teachers
and educators around all things modern art and they're one of
the leaders of it in the entire world.
And because of that, the MO MA in New York has over 2 and a
half million visitors every year, putting it at the 6th most
visited museum in America and 20th in the entire world.
So again, even if you are not anabsolute arty, is that what it's
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called, An arty? I would call him an arty, an art
buff. And yeah.
You should still go to the MO Ma.
We mentioned it. It's in Midtown which is very
convenient. It is on 53rd St. and it is
extremely accessible for multiple subway lines, including
the NQR, ACE, and BFM trains. Basically, wherever you are in
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New York City, you could probably get to the MoMA in less
than 45 minutes. Like Devin said, it's a very
convenient location. And by that we mean the MoMA is
pretty close to a lot of the sites that you're already going
to want to see in New York. It's right by Rockefeller
Center, it's right by Central Park, it's right by Times
Square. It's probably about a 10 or 15
minute walk away from any of those major sites that you're
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already going to want to see on your trip to New York City.
Yeah, you can very easily work it into other plans that you may
have. It is open every day from 10:30
AM to 5:30 PM, and it is open later on Fridays until 8:30 PM.
Okay, let's talk about some of the famous art that is at the
moment. So again, if you're like us,
you're not and art buff, you maybe know some names.
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You've heard of Picasso before, you've heard of Sera Cezanne,
you've heard of some of these names.
Jackson Pollock. Van Gogh.
Van Gogh. But you maybe aren't super
familiar with all of their works, or you don't know all
their history. There are some really extremely
famous pieces of art in the MO Ma, so we want to highlight some
of those. Generally speaking, the bulk of
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the more famous pieces are on the 5th floor, which is the top
floor, with many of the other well known ones on the 4th
floor. So the 4th and the 5th floor is
where you could probably spend the majority of your time, but
every floor has amazing pieces. One of the most famous pieces of
art that I'm aware of that's at the MO Ma that I think even if
you don't know much about art, you are familiar with this piece
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and that is Van Gogh's Starry Night that lives at the MO Ma
and it is awesome. So don't miss that when you go
to the MO Ma. Some would argue it's as good as
the rendition that I did in 3rd grade called Starry Night.
So you haven't learned about art?
Do you have a picture of that? If I find it, I will add it to
the website. We can do like a little side by
side situation. Jokes aside, that is definitely
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the most crowded popular piece that is in the museum.
Like often there's like a huge crowd almost line of people to
get to it, which it is what it is.
There are also some phenomenal pieces by Jackson Pollock.
A lot of people know him. Again, if you're not really into
art is like kind of the splatterpaintings where there's a lot of
different colors and lines and it seems a little chaotic, which
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to me sometimes I look at modernart and I think I could do that
or this isn't that artistic. And again, like art buffs don't
hate me. Don't get mad at us for the
things that we're saying. But I will say, when you see a
Jackson Pollock piece up close, the scale of it and like the
intricacy of it for despite it looking chaotic, it is amazing.
It really makes you feel something.
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They really are huge canvases, which I don't know, like when
I've seen photos of it online, it just like really doesn't do
it justice. Like when you are up there in
the museum looking at it in person, it really is quite
breathtaking. Some other pieces that we really
like. Robert Rauschenberg has a piece
called Canyon. It is one of the more
interesting pieces. You'll know exactly what it is
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when you see it. There's an eagle at the bottom.
Like a stuffed eagle, that is. Taxidermy Eagle.
Yeah, that's coming off the piece.
There's other things around it, but the wild thing about it is
that eagle that is on display inthe piece The Canyon in the MO
Ma. Robert Rosenberg found that
eagle in a dumpster at Carnegie Hall.
So like I, I do love that about modern art is that it's a lot of
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just like taking the pieces thatare around you.
And there's a lot of that at theMO Ma of people are like pulling
things out of dumpsters or, you know, taking everyday objects
and turning them into art and artistic representation.
So very, very cool, honestly. Can you imagine being the person
that threw away that taxidermy eagle and then now it's like
literally in the moment, probably worth millions of
dollars. I want this back story.
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I would love to know. I'm sure it's not possible to
figure out who threw away that eagle, but that would be awesome
to know other famous pieces. Campbell's soup cans by Andy
Warhol, 32 of them. Whole wide array which I don't
know if you knew this about the Campbell soup cans.
I was reading this when we were there recently that he painted
this because he had Campbell's soup for lunch every day for 20
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years. Yeah, I was reading that too.
I love that he's just like made some of his most famous art from
his favorite lunch like. That rocks.
Yeah, it really does. There's a wonderful piece called
Sun Mad by Esther Hernandez, which is like a play on of Sun
made. It is about.
Like the Raisin Company. Yeah, like the raisins.
And it's about her visiting family, I believe, in California
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and seeing all the toxins that were being used to grow the
grapes that became raisins. So obviously, like a lot of art
is trying to make a point or make us think, and that one
definitely does that. James Rosenquist has a piece
called F111, which is an 86 footlong.
It takes up literally an entire room in the MoMA.
It's kind of like a mural of Americana, almost.
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And like, American consumerism and war, but the whole thing's
kind of like neon and bright andwell lit.
It's like really cool to go and look at.
Most of those that we just mentioned are on the 4th floor
when you move up to the fifth floor.
Arguably my favorite museum roompiece work of art ever is Claude
Monet's Water Lilies. It's placed in its own room.
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Again, this is 1, where the scale of it is just absolutely
unbelievable. It takes up basically 2 full
walls for just one of those canvases and then there's a
couple individual ones. But like that room is the
epitome of art making you feel peaceful, like because there's
some art that just makes again, like art is about invoking
emotions, but water lilies is like just serene.
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It's very serene and it's like Devin said, it's a very
beautiful room to walk in. Like you kind of just feel
calmer when you walk in there. Yeah, if if I was a like I have
one must see in the MoMA it is water lilies.
Yeah, I would agree with that. I would.
I would say my close second is Starry Night Van Gogh, Starry
Night. Yeah, it's amazing.
Continuing on the 5th floor, multiple Georgia O'Keeffe
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pieces, multiple Henri Matisse pieces, Pablo Picasso, Henri
Rousseau, Georges Pere Sera, Paul Cezanne, like again, names
that you've probably heard of. Even if you're not an art buff,
it is class. It is top notch famous art that
is just right there in front of you.
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And again, even if you're not a huge art person, there's just
something about that that is very, I don't know, I feel like
it just makes you feel like a part of history almost in a way,
like being able to see those things first hand.
It is. It's a unique experience.
Like you're taking part in the culture.
Yeah, exactly. As we mentioned, the bulk of the
more famous pieces are going to be on the 5th floor as well as
the 4th floor. Our advice is when you walk in
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on the ground floor, you can either take multiple escalators
up. There are also elevators.
I would start on the 5th floor where you have the most energy
and mental capacity and then work your way down just because
I would say like some of the best pieces are on the 5th and
4th floor. And I don't know, it's just you
get tired like it like they're definitely like museum fatigue,
like it's mentally taxing, like all that walking and viewing
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art, like it makes you think. And I don't know, just could
probably start at the top. Their website, the Momo website,
which we'll link to in the show notes, also offers itineraries
on their website. They have like a most famous,
they have a with families. They have a slow down like and
take things in like multiple, just different itineraries that
can help you plan ahead once you're there.
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They also have an audio guide and maps at the museum, the
audio guide of them. You can just like scan a QR code
on your phone an then either read the information or listen
to it. Don't listen to it out loud.
Have headhones if you're going to do that.
But yeah, like the moment makes it easy to just do it on your
own. Exlore on your own or have some
help with their itineraries and the audio guide and those types
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of things I personally. Really enjoy doing the audio
guide. When I go I will usually bring
Airpods and pick like 1 section where I really want to do a deep
dive and scan the QR codes and I'm able to like learn more
about it and listen. Sometimes I feel like the
plaques next to the paintings are a little bit long and hard
to read. That's just my personal opinion.
So I kind of like listening to it and observing the art rather
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than like staring at the words and reading about it.
So I would spring headphones. Also, if you're going to the
moment with kids at the front desk, they do have a free
activity guide that you can get.I believe it comes with like
pencils and crayons and it includes activities such as
searching, drawing, posing, and imagining on some of the most
famous pieces of art. Some of them do have plaques
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specifically written for children which I think is cool
and I personally get a lot out of reading those even as an
adult just cuz I feel like it breaks down the art and guides
you to look at what's important in more clear language.
I guess the moment is really funfor kids.
I would say try to not bite off more that you can chew if you're
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going with a child. Obviously depending on their age
and interest level, but. We've taken multiple nieces and
nephews there, ranging in ages from like 4:00 to 12 or 13, and
I think they've all enjoyed it. It's again, like, no, you know
your kids, you know the people you're going to be with.
An hour might be your Max, but you know, you might have a kid
who loves art and wants to be there for a few hours.
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And so, you know, take it as it comes.
One thing that I love to do at the MO, Ma specifically, I mean
this works at any Art Museum. Feel free to borrow this game
from me and hopefully I don't offend any art buffs that may be
listening to this, but Devin andI love to play the game.
Art or fart. I don't know like a lot of times
you're the kids love it. Like when we went to the Momo a
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couple months ago with my nephews, my 4 year old nephew
loved this game and he like really took it seriously.
Like he would basically how the game works is you look at a
piece of art and you just ask yourself like, is it art or is
it fart? Because sometimes things are
very clearly art took a long time, very intricate, makes you
feel something. And sometimes frankly, you look
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at a canvas on the wall and there's like one single dot on
there and I'm like, I could havedone that.
To me that's fart. And but sometimes it makes you
feel something. So it's, it's a subjective game.
There's no right or wrong answers, but it's makes makes it
a little more fun, especially when you walk through an entire
room of fart. And our four year old nephew
loved it, which says a lot aboutus in this game.
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So take take with that for what it is.
Another tip with kids is you gotto feed them before you go in.
I mean this is for adults too. Like do not go to the MoMA.
Like if you have breakfast at 8:00, don't go to the MoMA at 11
right before lunch. Like planet around food, which
leads us to this episode. You'll have to check it out
segment. The next stop is culinary
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backstreets. OK, culinary backstreets from
their own website covers the world's best eating destinations
with city guides, food tours, multi day trips and daily
dispatches. Let me just say this, in the age
of like TikTok and Instagram, a lot of food places have started
to cater to those social media platforms where they just want
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to show things off and present food or drinks or even the
ambience. That's like just for the
Internet and for social media. And you know what, for people
who that's important to, that's fine.
But what I love about culinary Backstreets is their tours are
not just about food. They are about the culture, the
history, the people of the area that you were doing the tour of
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the people behind the restaurants.
It's more than just like I'm going to have a bunch of amazing
food at once or on a tour. It is I am not simply just
taking from these cultures like I am learning about them.
I am becoming immersed in them and I am better understanding
how food ties into the culture of us as humanity in these
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specific regions. We've done 2 culinary backstreet
tours before. We first participated in the
Asia and Queens Food Tour here in New York City.
That takes place in Flushing, IN.
That's a neighborhood in Queens.Which is the number one
concentration of, I believe Chinese.
People outside of mainland. China, yeah.
Which really is a cool area to check out and I would highly
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highly recommend the Asian Queens Culinary Backstreets tour
if you are here in New York Cityand you do like Asian food.
And also recently we went to their Made in Catalonia food
tour when we were in Barcelona and that was awesome.
One of my favorite things about the Culinary Backstreets tours
is that you will try foods that you would have never chosen for
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yourself and have some amazing new experiences and try a lot of
new things. They pretty much take all of the
guesswork out of it for you and pick things that they think that
you will like and that are part of the culture and teach you
about them. And additionally, because you're
walking around to different spots, like the one we did in
Queens, we probably went to seven to 10 different little
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restaurants or food courts within Flushing.
But as you're walking through the different ones as well,
they're talking to you about maybe land marks that you're
passing by and how it relates tothe culture.
And it's more than just a food tour.
I like as well that it's usuallysmaller groups so you can ask
questions. You don't feel like you're, you
know, trying to fight with 20 other people to get the
attention of the tour guide. I mean, the most recent tour
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that we did, there was six of us, six of us.
I think that is just a big perk.And of course, you get to try a
ton of food. And like Ashley was saying, you
are going to try dishes that youprobably would have never tried
beforehand. And I'll just like give back on
this rant a little bit, like because the stuff that people
post about on TikTok, like generally speaking, is all just
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the same, like garbage over and over and over again.
That's not where people are actually eating.
Yeah, exactly. Like, they're popular because of
social media. Like, yeah, maybe they taste
good, but like, that's not wherelike, New Yorkers are eating.
Exactly. So if you are in New York City
or you're planning a trip to NewYork City and you are a foodie,
do the Asia in Queens tour through culinary backstreet.
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If you're travelling elsewhere in the world, they have tours on
all kinds of cities across the world.
We talked about Barcelona, they have Tokyo, they have Seoul,
they have Marseille, like so, somany.
So check them out. Trust me, you will not go
hungry. Like they buy like several
portions to be split between everybody.
And I personally just think it'skind of nice just to have like
the finances he's taken out of it and you just get to focus on
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learning and eating the food. So if you want to go to Culinary
Backstreets tour, which we have to recommend, we will link to
them in the show notes. They also have full trips where
they plan out an entire itinerary based around food
experiences. I'm not sure if they have one of
those in New York. I doubt it, but they do have
those for different places in the world.
OK, that's this episode. You have to check it out.
Segment Culinary Backstreets, and now back to the moment.
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Stand clear of the closing doors, please.
OK. A couple of their important
things we want to cover about going to the MO MA tickets for
adults, they're $30, seniors 22 students $17.00.
That includes international students and children 16 and
under are free, which I think isa great thing.
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It's a good way to get kids interested in art.
And if you are a New York resident, every Friday they do
have free hours from 5:30 to 8:30.
You just need to reserve a ticket in advance, which is
different than some of the otherpay as you wish options in New
York. So be aware of that.
Many people also wonder if the MoMA offers tours because again,
similar to culinary back streets, right?
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It's like you can just walk around in a bunch of different
restaurants, but you're not going to get the back story,
you're not going to get the culture, you're not going to
understand the context. And same goes with museums.
You can just walk around and seea lot of amazing art and have a
good experience and be on your way.
But if you're the person who likes to understand the context,
understand more about the artists, understand more about
the time period, tours are an amazing option.
The challenge with the tour options through the MoMA is that
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they typically require a group of 10 people and the cost is $55
per person. So if you don't have a group of
10, there are alternatives through tour operators like Get
Your Guide that allow you to book for smaller groups.
The thing you need to know aboutthat is that the spots are
extremely limited and the ones that we're going to link to,
they only have on Saturdays and Sundays.
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So if you are interested in doing a MoMA tour, you will need
to plan ahead. We will link to that Get your
guide tour of the MoMA. No, it is more expensive as well
because they're allowing you to book for a smaller group of
people. It is like around $100, a little
bit more, $100 per person. So just be aware that tours do
exist. We have not personally done them
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at the MoMA, but we have done them at many other museums and
have found it to be a great experience.
We did a Get Your Guide Museum tour when we were in Florence a
couple months ago, and we did itof the A Footsie A Footsie
gallery. And that was money well spent
because Devin and I don't reallyknow much about Renaissance art.
And our tour guide was absolutely incredible.
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It was just us and the tour guide and she taught us so much
and really like pointed us in the right direction, which was
really nice to have. So if it's in your budget, tours
can be a really great option. Of course, that cost that we
mentioned for the tours, that isgoing to include your admission
as well. We're going to take a quick
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Last thing we want to cover is just kind of general tips we've
talked about, like our two centson tips and tricks for going to
museums and many other episodes,but we kind of want to go
through them again for people. Number one, wear comfortable
shoes. That should be like on the list
of tips generally for coming to New York.
Like you are going to walk way more than you do if you live in
the suburbs. Honestly, if you live probably
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anywhere outside of like New York, Chicago, DC, Philadelphia,
like you're probably going to walk double or triple that what
you do back home when you're in New York City.
So definitely wear comfortable shoes and like Devin said, that
goes for your New York City trip.
In general, I would prioritize comfort over fashion.
Next one on our list is to eat before going.
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We also have a podcast episode and an article out on our
website on our favorite restaurants near the MoMA to
check out before or after you goto the MoMA.
But our advice is to eat before so you're not hungry.
There's something about walking around a museum looking at art
that makes you starving even if you've just eaten.
So definitely have a full meal before you go.
Again, if you're coming with kids, be sure to get their
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activity guide that they give you.
Most visitors will stay at the MoMA for anywhere from like 1:00
to 2:00, maybe 3 hours. So just bake that into your
timing. It's going to be crowded, right?
Like it is a world renowned museum.
There will be crowds no matter what day of the week or what
time of the day you come to the MoMA, so just be prepared for
that. You might even need to stand in
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a little bit of line to get in to get through security.
That's OK though. It's a big museum.
I think it's like 680,000 squarefeet, like it's five floors.
There's plenty of space, but I would say either come at the
very beginning of the day or near the end.
One of our favorite little tricks for going to museums is
if you know you're only going towant to be there for maybe 90
minutes and the museum closes at5:30, get there at like 345,
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four o'clock because most peopleare going to have trickled out
by then and you're going to havefewer crowds.
Our next tip for visiting the MOMa is to possibly save a museum
day for a day that has poor weather.
Just because a lot of your activities in New York are going
to be out and about walking around in the elements.
So it would be more convenient if you're inside a museum on the
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day where it's going to be particularly rainy or snowy.
However, just know a lot of other people might have that
same idea so it might be more crowded, but I still would
recommend picking a museum for agood rainy day activity.
And the last few bits of information about the MoMA
specifically, make sure when yougo to the MoMA that you go to
the MoMA store. The main store is in the
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basement of the museum where you'll be.
And then there's the MoMA Designstore across the street, which
has different options. I absolutely love the MoMA
Design store. So it's next to our Public
Library that we go to, to checkbooks in and out.
And I almost always just pop, even for like a few minutes just
to kind of see what's there. They always have new things and
just gifts and trinkets and things that you might have in
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your home, including like dishware and glasses and lamps
with this like modern design spin on it.
You have to go there when you goto the museum.
It's truly a really fun store towalk around.
I would probably put it in my top five places to find a
souvenir in New York City when you're visiting here, just
because they have such a wide array of really, really cool
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trinkets, art pieces, home items.
Books. Clothing.
Yeah, Books. Note notepads.
But yeah, if you're looking for a gift for yourself, a souvenir
for yourself, a gift for someoneelse from your trip, I would
check out the MoMA Museum store to look for something.
And on that note of it being a great place to get souvenirs for
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yourself or for people back homeis they have like New York
specific sections as well. So instead of just going like in
getting a cheap I heart NY shirtat one of the souvenir stores,
you can get like a nice well made T-shirt or notebook or
sticky notepad that has like NewYork designs on them.
It's a great, great option. Know as well that at the MoMA
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they have multiple cafes. They're not going to be cheap
and the hours vary, but those are available.
And another must do while you'reat the MoMA is to check out
their outdoor area on the main floor.
It is open year round, with maybe some limitations there
depending on the weather. There's also an upper terrace,
which is seasonal and often onlyaccessible if you eat at the
Cafe. But the outdoor area is awesome
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because you're just in you spendtime in the MoMA.
I would recommend doing it at the end of your experience.
But like you're in the MoMA, youkind of forget you're in New
York City. And then you walk into this like
tranquil garden, but you're alsosurrounded by these skyscrapers
and you can start to hear the sounds of New York City.
And there's a beautiful water feature that runs through some
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statues. More art.
Make sure you do it when you're at the MO.
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