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Becca, I love this juicy topic that we had today.
Diving into not having to hustlefor your healing, not having to
earn your rest or your, your worthiness, your enoughness,
feeling like you're always behind.
And how the heck do we get out of this whack framework that
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we've basically built ourselves into this cage of?
It yes, I mean, this is the one this this to me is especially as
women, we carry this load about this whole idea, right?
I mean, it is like you should not be sleeping unless you are
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on your last brain cell and you have depleted yourself and that
is why you must rest right. That that is the thought in our
heads. And I think, you know, it's
given to us in lots of differentways.
Many of us, I think are, have heard it since we were very
young, right? You weren't actively moving
around and doing something. You were being lazy, right?
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And not productive. But I think our job here today,
Carol Jean, is to remind people that that is fake, that that is
that we created it ourselves, weplaced it onto ourselves, and it
doesn't work well. It is not sustainable.
It doesn't allow you to thrive. All it does is make money for
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the capitalist system. That is all that it does.
And what we all need to do is start separating ourselves from
those supposed to's and shoulds,right?
Because rest is part of our daily cycle as a, you know, a
creature, right? As a, if we looked at animals
and we told them, you may not nap until you have done all of
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your dog things for the day, right?
They would look at us like we'recrazy and they would say, no,
I'm tired. I'm going to nap now, right?
Because they're always in the present.
So I think that's where we should begin, is that idea of,
you know, what are we missing out on in the present because
we're so busy hustling for the future.
Our desires will light the way, turn every shadow to vibrant
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day. Artistic voices fearless and
free. No chasing.
Hold what's meant to be. We've got stories the world must
hear breaking the silence loud and clear Becca Carol Jean We're
here to say the things that I know rise up us together hearing
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strong unshake and crown shine one riders here to.
Cry. For every woman, here's one.
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And I think even just to kind ofset the stage to see kind of
check in with your heart if thishas been your response, I'm
going to share some very personal experiences on this
one. So one of my really good friends
and I, we do yoga and meditationtogether on Friday mornings.
And we were just talking about this on Friday and we were both
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really relating and sharing similar stories.
And I was like, Oh my gosh, it'snot just me.
So when I was a little, I had like my mom or dad would say,
OK, Carol Jean, I need you to dothis.
And immediately my entire body would activate like I was in
massive fight or flight. I was in panic mode.
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Honestly wasn't even anxiety. I was in full blown panic mode
anytime someone asked me to do something because I immediately
felt like I should have already done it.
Like I should have known that somehow I should have done it
yesterday. Like if somebody asked me to do
something, I immediately was like, Oh my gosh, let me do that
right now no matter what I was doing.
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And what's really this is what my girlfriend and I were talking
about Friday that followed me into adulthood.
And I remember very distinctly on multiple times like if I was
home alone and I had been like in a POTS flare up and I was
really exhausted. And it had taken all I could do
just to get up, take the kids toschool, come home, go to sleep
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and then do one load of laundry.And and I hadn't even moved it
from the washer to the dryer, but I had to lay down and take
like a 2 hour nap from that. And I remember hearing my
husband come in the back door and I jumped up like I'd been
shot with a hot rock. And it was immediate, like
acting like I was busy 'cause I didn't want him to know I was
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resting. Yeah.
And I mean, there's, I even did it with my kids.
And, you know, my girlfriend wassharing that she would hear her
kid come home from school and she'd been laid down to rest.
And she jumped up like, Oh my God, I've done that too.
And it's this nervous system dysregulation that we carry.
But it comes from a very deeply rooted emotion, a feeling in our
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heart and this belief in our subconscious that we have to
hustle, we have to earn, we haveto get the rewards, We have to
be the good girl. We have to do everything because
there's not enough or I won't get it or I haven't earned it or
I'm not worthy or enough. Right.
And it's so that idea, this ideaof like understanding your
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individual value, right? I, I don't know, some of me
feels like it's very American, right?
Like I it's very cultural to our.
Country. Right to to you know you're,
you're not you're resting or youhave time off or whatever,
you're lazy even when you're on vacation, right?
And here's something literally you have earned this time off,
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right? It is not even like pretend
you've earned this time off. It is literal.
You have have the paychecks to prove.
Accumulating PTO is not a badge of honor.
Right, exactly. And like, you know, you can be
sitting there and just be thinking, oh, I, I can't just
sit here, right? I'm not allowed to just be.
That's something I'm in search of is feeling comfortable and
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safe in just being right becauseI experienced that same.
I still experience that same thing that you're talking about
that like feeling like I got caught resting.
That's what it is. I feel like I got caught
resting, right? And that I should always be busy
and look busy and be busy. Otherwise, what am I doing on
this planet, right? It's like getting caught without
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your pants on. Yes, right.
And that's what that feels like when you, you allow yourself to
rest sometimes and someone comesin on it, right?
When we, we are given that knee jerk reaction.
But that's not where our value comes from, right?
That's not where human value comes from.
It's innate. Right.
What? Hold on.
Right, that idea no one believes.
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That right? Right was gifted to us from the
powers that be, from the people who make money off of our
busyness, right. And I think we need to reclaim
our lives in that way, right? We have to.
It starts for me and and I, we talked about this briefly before
we started. For me, it comes from learning a
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scarcity mentality like I was really, I grew up without a lot
of money, without a big support system, without a lot, right?
And I learned to make do with very little, right?
And what I learned was that was my place in life was to always
have very little, that I'm the worker bee that will always have
the bare minimum, right? And has to earn my rest for all
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the other people out there so they can have what their needs.
And that's my lot in life, right?
It was kind of given to me, right?
But that's not true. What's true is there is more
than enough for everyone, right?And if you pause and look at the
world, it becomes obvious to you, right?
Think about the amount of waste we have in this country.
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You know why we have that waste?Because it's not earning
somebody money, right? So what that tells you is there
is enough. We're throwing out the extra.
So when you begin to unpack that, right?
If there's enough, why do we need to work so hard, right?
Why can't we rest? Why isn't there space for that?
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And that's kind of where that whole thought process begins for
me, is an understanding that it's not as scarce out there as
I was led to believe, right? That there is enough for
everyone. And I, I had a similar
experience, but I mean, we've had these feast or famines in my
family because my parents were in real estate.
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So it was very cyclical. And I learned that a couple of
really, you know, mixed messagesabout worthiness and enoughness
and that there is, you know, thescarcity of things.
And it was you have to earn it. You have to work really hard for
it, and it's hard to keep. And there's always somebody with
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their hand out, and it's never enough because your worthiness
is directly tied to the number in your bank account.
And to this day, my mom, who's 81, still asks me anytime I tell
her whatever I'm doing. Well, how much money you're
making with that? Because then in her mind, she's
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equating the worthiness and the value of what I'm doing based on
the dollar amount assigned to it.
Correct. And think about how messed up
that is, right? Because when we economically go
into a recession, which we're really headed directly towards
right now, ladies and gentlemen who are listening, right, we
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will soon see, right? How many items we are told we
need but are actually luxury items and how many, right?
And how very, how much we're told we need more and more and
more. We should have a savings
account. We should have this, this, this,
this, right? And we shouldn't spend it
either. That's the other part of the
kicker is that you should, you have to earn it 'cause there's
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not enough. And then don't spend it because
it disappears, right? But that's not what I've
experienced when I kind of give in to the universe, right?
What I experienced in reality iswhen I make money and then I
spend it, more money comes in. That's what I actually
experience, right? And so my reality about money
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and what I've been told about money do not make sense
together. And I think that discontinuity
that happens for us is really powerful, that belief in all
those things that people have told us and, and not looking at
what's happening factually in our lives, right?
I think so many of us in our community, I know for myself
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and, and I know others have shared this with me along the
way. And it's, we have bought into
this expectation, this status quo of what it means to be an
adult, a successful adult. And it's, you know, the house,
the car, you know, the kids, thedog, all the things, right, the
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vacations, all this stuff. And for most of us, I know for
me, it's like I bought into that.
And I thought that's what I was supposed to be doing.
But when I really started to check in with, well, what are my
unmasked values? What, what do I really care
about? What is my quality of life?
What are the things in my daily life that really matter to me
that, that make my body, my heart, my, my spirit, you know,
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my surroundings feel really good.
I resonate, it's harmonious. And what I discovered number
one, it, it wasn't any of those things on that successful adult
list and #2 it was a heck of a lot less monetarily and, and
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possession wise then I really believed.
And I spent when my husband and I moved from Alabama to Colorado
about 8-9 years ago, we did a massive purge and I took 40
years worth of stuff. You know, you ever heard the
George Carlin? Your your mini warehouses, your
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garage and all. Your stuff.
Your stuff. And I had the garage and the
house and all the bedrooms and everything full of 40 years
worth of things and we started purging.
Now I honestly had to mentally and emotionally prepare myself
for this. So I binged watch tidying up and
read Spark Enjoyment Marie condoand it really was and it was
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interesting because it it was like tedious and it I was so
slow when I first started of like, what do I donate?
What's just trash? What do I want to keep?
What sparked joy for me, right? What is something I absolutely
just love it bring something to my life.
And it was really slow at 1st and it took about 6 or 8 months
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to do this massive purge becauseI went from, you know, this
three bedroom, 2 1/2 bath house with all the stuff in the garage
and everything to my Jeep and a six by 12 U-Haul trailer.
That's. It and I will tell you I was
shocked at how fast I got towards the end.
I was like Yep, Nope, Yep, Nope,Yep, Nope.
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I mean, I immediately I had learned to tap into that
physical yes or no where I knew if something was aligned with
the the life I was creating right now, be my future life.
And what was really beautiful when I recognized how physically
impacted I was when I purged thethings in my physical
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environment that really did not support me, that weren't mine,
that didn't spark my joy. It's so interesting because it's
so attached to the idea that we need stuff, or that that those
things, that the stuff we have defines us.
It's who we are, right in some way and all of that.
But when you start getting rid of stuff, what you realize is
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that's not what you need, right?Like when you.
I love when I look at my clothes.
Every year I go through my clothes because I just like I'm
doing. It right now.
I'll fit right back into that, or maybe I'll wear that again,
or Oh well. But the truth is, I wear the
same 5 or 6 shirts and the same 3 pairs of pants, right?
And so if I really paused and thought about it, I could get
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rid of all of these things. And as someone who, like you,
has moved cross country twice, right?
And the purge happens every timeyou move, right, the truth of
how much you need right becomes real to you.
And I love this, the growth of like literally unloading the
things that are weighing you down.
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I love that feeling of, of the nothingness, like, wait, I
really only need these few things, right?
And what that does is immediately free us up for other
stuff to come in. And that's what we don't think
of in the moment that we're hanging on to that stuff is, oh,
I'm afraid to get rid of it. But what we're really saying is
I'm afraid to let anything new in, right?
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Because we're keeping it out, yes.
And the other thing especially, I know for me when I first
started, it's like, oh, but I paid this much for it, I can't.
Just. Put it away, right?
And now I'm like, we bought something the other day to try
at the grocery store and we all took one bite and went like,
this is horrible. And she was like, oh, it was
like $8 for that little box. I was like, I don't care.
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I would give you the 8 bucks. And I went and threw it in the
trash. I was like, nobody's going to
eat this and nobody needs to force themselves to eat this and
it doesn't. Need to sit in our refrigerator
for two weeks until it goes bad and then we throw it away,
right? Right.
Because I know by moving that out.
Now, here's the trick, though. This is the little caveat in the
warning here. When you make space, yes, it
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makes space for something new tocome in.
But if you aren't being aware and you aren't being
conscientious, the universe likes to fill a void and it
might fill it with just all kinds of garbage that you just
got rid of. So you have to be tuned and
attended you. Have to be aware that, that you
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have to choose it over and over again.
That's what it is. You have to continue to choose
that minimalist kind of way. I love.
I'm very much someone who wantedto be minimalist as a child but
lived with someone who was not aminimalist in any way, shape or
form. And so as an adult I have really
given in some my minimalism and even I think as I'm getting
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older I have to say I'm going tobe a crazy lady, minimalist lady
with like 1 fork. I don't know, it's just going to
be really strange as I get older.
But I just hate things now. I just dislike things.
I don't want any more things. I don't want more stuff.
I just want to do things with people.
Same. And that's what I tell my
husband. He's like, what do you want for
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your birthday or Christmas or anything?
I was like, I don't want a any physical things.
I want time with you. I want to do something together,
have an experience. I don't want stuff.
Right. No more.
And that's part of that hustle culture, right?
Because the whole reason you're hustling is to collect the
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stuff. Right.
So if you don't want the stuff anymore, your reason for
hustling pauses. And that's how we learn to slow
down, right? Because why do I have to chase
that? That's that whole, the idea that
I love so much, which I, I carrywith me all the time, which is
really just to be and to attractthe things that I want and not
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chase them. I used to chase everything,
right? If I think I can do something,
if there's that right, or I see somebody doing something I think
I should be doing over there, I'm going to chase that too.
And what happens is you chase everything in that hustle
culture and you miss all the just being, right?
You're so busy chasing. And when when I just be, when
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I'm just myself and I do the things that I instinctually feel
like reaching out to you to say,Hey, let's do this thing or
let's find a way to collaborate.That's when the best stuff
happens for me, right? When I attract those things to
myself, when I just I be me and then I look for the things that
match me, right? So that to me is another was
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another flip out of that hustle,hustle culture, right?
Yeah. For me, I don't know about you,
but it was also recognizing thatmy nervous system was so
programmed to be doing with likethe guilt and the shame storm
running in the background as my operating software.
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It was killing my hardware. And so I had to reconnect with
my hardware so that when I started to rest and I
immediately like felt like I needed to jump up and do
something that I could pause and, and just allow myself a
little space to start getting more comfortable, being
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comfortable. Yeah, that, yes, getting rid of
that thing where you just feel like I'm resting.
I'm doing it now, but if somebody needs me, I will be up
in a second, right? But now I need to really rest
and say, no, I'm resting now. If you need me when I'm done
resting, I will be there for you, right?
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But not stopping my resting. And the other thing was I found,
and maybe I don't know how much of this is the autism or how
much of it is my version of autism or how much of it is just
the world, right? But the noise in my head too,
right? Like I would say to myself when
resting, today's the rest day and I would physically lay on
the couch. But in my head, I was business
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planning. In my head, I was worrying about
the car insurance. In my head, I was thinking about
all the places I wanted to go, right?
I wasn't truly resting, right? And then the guilt from sitting
still would kick in and I'd be up and never having rested at
all. So learning to rest, I guess,
was part of the process, right? Learning what real rest feels
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like. And I, and it's really
interesting, you know, there wassome research that came out not
too long ago this year that was pinpointing that most Americans
for vacation annually take on average 3 days.
And then there was another research paper that I read that
said it actually takes about a full 8 days for your nervous
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system to down regulate on vacation in order for you to
begin really resting because your brain is running all of
those, you know, scenarios of all the stuff you should be
doing and your body is still wayup here.
Well, I, I of course, had to Rd.test that.
And so back at Christmas, I said, OK, I'm taking a full 4
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weeks like I normally do, but I'm doing it different this
year. I'm actually not going to do a
little projects, not going to doanything.
I'm going to be as still and as quiet as possible in ways that
maybe I haven't done before. Because I want to see where my
nervous system starts, where I am in eight days, and where I
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actually start to feel quiet andresting.
And do you know that it took me to day 14?
I am not surprised, right? Not at all, right?
Not at all. And because I we all, I think we
all feel that struggle, right? It's never, the weekends are
never long enough, right? Because they're not, never
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because they're not, they're not.
And so we can all keep taking two or three day weekends.
They will still never be enough for our bodies, right?
And so that's something that I hope, I think I would look
forward to. I would love to do more research
into how can we live our lives more according to the natural
cycle of our bodies. So we've created weekdays,
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weekends, we've created months, years, and all of those time
calculations. But we don't live according to
say, the seasons, right? Which is really how our body
wants to live, right? Like our body would be like all
winter, you should be resting, right?
This is not the time when it gets to be springtime.
You need to be out there huntingand gathering.
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But in the winter, there's no need for that, right?
That's the time for rest. And so we'd probably all be
resting through December, January, February, those three
months, right? But we're not.
We're celebrating Christmas. We're shopping for everyone,
we're wrapping, we're going to parties.
We're right. We're not doing any of those
things. And so come February, we're all
exhausted. I mean, the season that we
should be pulling back and really having quieter, longer,
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you know, resting sessions. I absolutely, 1000% agree with
you. I have been for the last, I
don't know, almost a year and a half now living in alignment
with the seasons and also with the moon cycles because I've
been exploring, you know, that side, that biological impact of
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the moon and how it really does impact our physical body.
And it's been a beautiful journey.
And last week on the podcast, I was talking about one of the
things I'm have very masculine hot energy.
You know, I'm like the Doo Doo Doo.
It's just sort of my. Actual.
State it. And I think it's also a lot of
the trial response and some other things.
So I've really been dialing intothat feminine side, which is
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actually the receiving the resting back, which I have never
felt comfortable with or alloweduntil the last few years.
And so it was interesting because as we're moving into
summer, what I listen to in my body and what I recognized is
that I'm in this inner winter period right now of really
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taking it and slowing down, going outside first thing in the
morning and getting 1015 minutesof direct sunshine.
Because that goes to the photoreceptors at the back of
our eyes and sends the message to our pineal gland, Hey, in 14
hours, start releasing melatoninso I can have a good night's
sleep. And do you know I am sleeping
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better? But this is this is the key to
me, right? This is the opposite of the
hustle culture. There's not enough is no, I'm
going to live seasonally, right?Because the hustle culture tells
you know you have to work all year long in order to have
enough. You have to be in a constant
state of balloon. There is.
No, there is no nothing. You just have to go, go, go,
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'cause there's never enough, right, is what that cycle tells
you. But what our natural cycle and
seasonal cycle tells us is thereare times of the year to rest
and times of the year when you're supposed to be busy,
right? And our bodies know it's parts
of summer, too hot to be busy, too hot for you to be doing
physical things. That's another resting period,
right? Where you do things in the
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morning, you do things in the evening, midday, you should be
very still, right? That's what animals do.
It's how our bodies want to respond, right?
And we're forcing them not to. Same thing with the moon cycle.
I love when people are like, oh,that's so bitchy of you that you
believe in the moon. No, it's not.
Is what it is because I have my body is what, 90% water and the
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moon effects what the water in your body, right?
So when you're like, you can't say that, you know what?
In fact, we know that our bodiesbloat through the moon cycle and
things like that. So we know that that's happening
and that, you know, we're going through that.
So that's what our ancestors used as markers to understand
time passing, not these invented, right calendars and
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days of the week. And I think that's really
something that I would love to see more people grab onto is
respecting the way that the seasons in fact impact their
energy and utilizing those timesin different ways.
So, Becca, let's come up with a challenge for everybody.
A. Little a little micro invitation
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if you will, for my pervasive demand for autonomy folks.
I don't know, I think the biggest challenge maybe is
really to do some observation around this, right?
Because most of for me breaking it all down was finding out all
the needily little places that this misperception was hiding
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right and how it was impacting me.
So the challenge maybe is try torest, see what happens when you
rest. Are you pretend resting right?
Are you doing the laying on the couch thinking thing right?
Are you jumping up like we've talked about when people catch
you resting right, looking for those things?
And then how do we undo them, right?
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That awareness that they're happening and then saying I
don't want to do that anymore. And if you want to go on a
little ride with Carol Jeans andI, we are gonna we're doing this
seasonal living thing that we didn't know we're both doing,
right. Give it a try, right?
But give it a try because I've seen and the like, I feel the
difference, I see the difference.
I know that my brain functions different at these different
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times of year. And if I worked with it instead
of against it, I have a lot morechance for success, right?
So if you have felt similarly, check out your moon cycles and
season cycles, right? And think about how that the way
that nature flows impacts the way that your energy flows
throughout the year. Yes, and my little loving micro
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invitation is start to notice. And if you're like me, and maybe
it's hard to start with, just like sitting still or lying
down, leave your phone in the house, go outside and just go
for a short walk. It doesn't have to be long, it
doesn't have to be fast. You can just sort of meander,
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but just notice how many times you feel a compulsion like that
pull to be on your phone. Just pay attention and see if
you can extend that time a little bit more.
Just going without 'cause there's some new research that
recently came out that said two hours of silence a day actually
helps us create new neural pathways, new green cells.
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I love that. Oh I want 2 hours of silence
every day. Back to the US.
Yeah, let's start scheduling. These are my two hours of
redoing my neural pathways. Please leave me alone.
I did the 12 hour walk with Colin O'brady and I've done it a
couple of times. And people that listen to this,
you know, beyond Chronic BurnoutRegular Show know that this has
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been life changing for me. And the first time I did it
several years ago, I, I started with like putting my toe in the
water and I was like, I'll just see how long I can go without
listening to something or doing something and just walking or
just being still. I went for 7 1/2 hours.
And I'm telling you, the whole time my brain was reeling just
like boom, boom, boom, all the stuff was coming in.
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The second time I did it, my husband and I went and we were
in Kentucky and we camped out onour property and I went and I
hiked for the full 12 hours. And it was a totally different
experience because my brain could trust that I was safe to
do it because I tested it. Yep.
And so just by moving your body,just getting outside without
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technology, it really does help to bring it in.
But it it's like those even 2 hours are really precious.
But even if you can just get 5 or 10 minutes.
Right. I mean, any, any time we are
telling our brain, this is a habit and I want to be aware of
it and consciously choosing to do or not do this thing, we're
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doing ourselves a favor because our brain loves habit.
It'll, it'll ride on autopilot for as long as we let it, right?
It doesn't have to think too hard, but these are the things
we should be thinking too hard about and not all the other
stuff that we're sitting and overthinking about, right?
We should be thinking about the stuff that we pause and do.
And before you start, take a couple of notes.
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Say, hey, what's my brain speed?Is it fast, slow or neutral?
What do I notice in my body if Ijust kind of check from my toes
all the way up to my head, Is there anything tight?
Or do I just like if I open and close my jaw, what do I notice?
And the third thing is, what areyou thinking or feeling or maybe
what phrases or words are running through your head at the
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moment? Kind of write those down and
then go do whatever it is you want to do.
Walk, lay on the couch, whateverit is.
Something to give yourself a little break.
Try it for 5 minutes, then come back and check in with those
same things. Has your brain speed changed?
Has your body changed in some way?
Is the way that you're thinking or the words that are coming up,
are those different? But just begin to gauge yourself
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a little bit. That's just sort of a framework
to gather some data because you know, it can feel a little Gray
and airy fairy sometimes right back.
On absolutely we need right and it's all of those little
reminders that start to teach your brain a weight.
I need to reconnect to that stuff.
I've been purpose purposefully disengaged from those things.
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Yeah, well, that's a wrap, y'all.
Those are the things that reallymatter.
Those are the things to pause and reflect on.
Not the Wodashoda Kudas, not theI have to.
But where am I comfortable? Where am I starting to notice
that nourishes me? What season am I aligning with?
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Those are the things that reallymatter.
Because you are already worthy. You are already enough.
Take care and we'll see you for the next time.
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