September 10, 2024 • 14 mins
Ever wondered if your attitudes and behaviours might be crossing the line into misogyny? Join us for an eye-opening discussion where Sian Jaquet and Andy dissect the critical differences between misogyny and chauvinism. Misogyny isn't just a simple bias; it's a deep-seated hatred and contempt that actively seeks to demean and control women. On the other hand, chauvinism might endorse male supremacy but doesn't necessarily come with the same level of animosity. We also reflect on the societal shifts empowering women and stress the importance of challenging harmful behaviours, celebrating the progress made while acknowledging the work still needed for true gender equality.
In a refreshing Q&A session, Sian and Andy share personal anecdotes about the transformative power of living a value-based life. Andy reveals how Sian's online course profoundly impacted him, inviting listeners to explore these vital resources themselves. They underscore the necessity of examining one's values to lead a fulfilling life and encourage everyone to visit Sian’s website for more insights. Don't forget to subscribe and share the podcast, helping us spread these valuable lessons on personal growth and gender equality.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, this is.
I think you'll enjoy this.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You've got that.
Look on your face.
What are you about to say?
Welcome to Big Questions.
Short Answers I'm Sian.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And I'm Andy Sian's husband asking the big life
questions.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And possibly adding a little bit of unsolicited
advice.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
This podcast is brought to you by shams
value-based online course.
Visit shanjakecom to find outmore.
How do I know if I'm amisogynist?
Oh all right, yeah, blowing thegourd on the floor.
So misogyny I know it's theword of the now as zegeist as
(00:42):
they say misogyny, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Okay, I'm happy to get in there, yeah you want to
get in there Before.
I get in there, I'm asking youto explain to me why you're
asking me the question.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Oh, that's unfair.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Why.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's not how the game works, it's not.
No, I just think that it's aninteresting.
It is something that isabsolutely thrown about now in
terms of misogyny, this,misogyny, that, and trying to
kind of shape as to how do Iknow if I'm being a misogynist?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
First of all, I would accept that there are times in
the privacy of our house when Iwill use that word, because I
know it slaps you across theface and makes you stand there
and it may be overplaying mycard, yeah yeah, but in my
defence I have never called youa misogynist.
I say you sound like amisogynist, you know what I mean
(01:43):
.
I will use it because it doesstop you in your tracks, right?
It stops most men in theirtracks, if I use that as a word.
Again, all I can explain to youis how I see it.
I am not an academic, I am not aclinical psychologist who has
studied personalities where amisogynist is clearly in the
(02:03):
frame for that kind of diagnosisactually A diagnosis.
You know that a man is amisogynist when there is, you're
looking at hatred, you arelooking at contempt, you are
looking for every opportunity toput a woman or a girl down that
(02:23):
they have wellclass john, islike they've got this burning
fear that a woman might be theirequal or better or know
something or feel something andthey need to put you down yeah,
but now there's misogyny whereyou can.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You know you kick the elite I love the way you spit
that word out.
What mis Misogyny.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
That's a difficult word, isn't it?
But there are other misogyniststhat I've come across,
especially in leadership, menwho really, really, really do
not like women.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Why?
Well, again you'll need to goand speak to.
I mean most misogyny Maybe, Idon't know.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Mummy issues, Female issues in their growing up.
I don't know right or were theyborn.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Is it just like a fundamental kind of dislike?
Well, it's not a dislike ofwomen, because I'm sure they'll.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well, you objectify them.
You use women as a tool toentertain, to get your own
jollies to put down in a publicway, seeking to control women's
behaviour.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
The question is how do I know if I'm a misogynist?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Because there's a difference.
Misogynists truly hate women.
They stoke the fire of hatingwomen.
They are blamed.
It is always women's fault.
Yeah, because they've got anissue with the entire sex, from
every level.
Who you are, what you are,because you are a woman, I hate
(03:49):
you and hate has to be fed.
Again, world, according to seanright, you have to feed hatred
a couple steps down, or maybeone step is a chauvinist right,
the chauvinist is a misogynist,right, right, they believe
that're a chauvinist, believesthat he is, he has some
supremacy over women, right, andthat he has a right for
(04:11):
dominance.
Right but as Inchon said, amisogynist actively wants to
hurt, destroy, put down becauseI hate you, and it never stops
it never stops.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Do you think this is an overused term?
Because how many misogynistsare?
There's probably quite a lot ofchauvinists.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Well, again, it's age and stage and society and
learning and all the rest of it.
I don't know whether there aremore misogynists than there were
before.
I don't know.
I don't know whether there'smore chauvinists.
I think there are educated,more empowered.
I mean, how many times have Isaid in these podcasts, you know
, male or female, it's aboutfinding your voice and it's
(04:53):
about saying stop, that isn'tright, that is hurting my
feelings, and I know that soundslike a very basic things to say
, but it doesn't matter whetheryou're five or 55.
Whether you literally put yourhand out and say to somebody in
their face, stop, you arehurting my feelings, or whether
it's a filter that you've got inyour head.
Actually, this needs to stopbecause it's hurting my feelings
.
Yeah, chauvinism has beenculturally accepted.
(05:16):
I mean, when I grew up, I'vegot to be fair.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
A lot of comedians made a lot of money from their
chauvinistic jokes.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
But did people see that as chauvinistic?
Because nobody thought there'sanything wrong in putting women
down, yeah, right, whereas I'mhoping we live in a world now
where it does matter.
And why does that?
It's because we come out thekitchen, guys, yeah, yeah, and
you can't pay the mortgage allon your own and you need me to
have a job and you need me tobring up children and you need
me to do all of these things.
(05:45):
So there has become, and Ithink that mothers have taken on
that responsibility as well.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I'm incredibly proud of the mothers and the women I
know who make it a fundamentalpart of their parenting skills
and priority to empower womenand to challenge men yeah, I
would argue that misogyny is anoverused term and chauvinism,
(06:13):
whilst it's gone out of fashion,is probably a more realistic
term, and misogyny is just abetter word to spit out.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Right.
Do you want me to tell you thetruth of what I really think
when you say that?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I mean, I think you just represent what a whole hell
of a lot of men think, right,oh, the word misogyynist used
too much, right, right.
Because you don't like itBecause it puts a spotlight on
you.
Well, it does.
It doesn't mean that you're amisogynist, by the way, but it
makes you think about yourselves, and so you're doing what you
do, and I'm going to be braveenough to say a hell of a lot of
(06:44):
men that I'm around do.
Oh well, let's rubbish it andbelittle it, because I don't
want to be thinking about that,I don't want to be accused of
that.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You're not a misogynist, because if you were,
I wouldn't be married to you.
Yeah Right, you do not hatewomen.
I know you don't right, butthere are men that do.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
But misogynists would say no, I love women.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Would they?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba.
Have you ever met a misogynist?
I don't think they're in mysocial circle.
No really, but I have notknowingly met a misogynist.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I'm not sure I'm qualified, I really am not
qualified, to explain to youwhat it is, what it isn't.
I think I and most women I knowYou've got a sick sense if
you're in the presence of amisogynist, unless you were
brought up by one and you'revery old, bloody house full of
it, or you live in a communitywhere misogyny is actually
allowed to thrive.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And then it becomes your normal.
I think the word, I think whatyou're really trying to say is
you're talking about chauvinism.
You know that.
Look at the jugs on her and allof that kind of revoltingness.
Right, that's chauvinism,that's a sense of entitlement
that I'm actually, of course,I'm allowed to say that yeah,
(07:59):
and then you get the oh, andthey're all so flaky because
they challenge you.
And no, I've heard you do it.
I've heard you do it to Tanifor night.
Oh, it's just a phrase or it'sjust a word, but why?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Because it's damaging , because it's belittling.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yes, and women have been belittled for so long, for
so long, and that doesn't meanthat there are men that aren't
belittled, right?
Yeah, I'm just saying that, youknow, if we're looking at the
scales of justice, men have hadit better than we have for a
hell of a long time and I thinkthere's a redress, there's a
(08:37):
rebalancing going on and anykind of change and redress is
hard.
You included, you know, andother men that I know and I love
dearly, you know, all raiseyour eyebrows and no God, here
they go again, picking me upbecause I've said that, saying
that that was wrong on thetelevision.
Both me and your daughter, I amvery proud to say do not let it
(09:02):
pass, because we believe, andI've hopefully brought Tanith up
to feeling be the same, which Iknow I have.
I've seen her do it.
Yeah, we won't let it go.
I've hopefully brought Tanith upto feeling be the same, which I
know I have.
I've seen her do it.
Yeah, we won't let it go.
We don't drop the bar.
I won't fight with you, I won'tbelittle you, I won't judge you
, but I do.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Oh, there's a little bit of judging.
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I reserve the right to reflect to you.
No, you are hurting my feelings, and you're hurting my feelings
because that is a chauvinisticthing to say.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So we have moved it a little bit on in terms of I
think the wrong word.
I think you chose that word,misogyny, and it is you know it
is used much more now than Idon't.
I remember chauvinism beingused, but that has gone Out of
fashion and misogyny has movedin.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
What's the name of that Muppet I was?
I know this is going out forpublic broadcast, otherwise I
wouldn't be using the wordMuppet.
Anybody who knows me well wouldknow I'd use a very different
language.
What's the name of that guy whodoes that podcast that was
arrested and all the rest of it,that kind of?
Anyway, I can't remember hisname now.
I don't want to remember hisname.
I certainly don't want to.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
He's got arrested.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, but that's you see, we do have misogyny right,
and there are men who aremisogynists Right.
Are there wall-to-wallmisogynists?
No, there aren't.
There's a hell of a lot morechauvinists.
But you know something?
I actually have a very positiveview on that.
I think men are getting braver.
I think they're having moreconfidence in having
(10:34):
conversations.
I think they are learning howto listen to the cause and
effect of what you think is likeboys' bantam.
Let me give you a very realexample.
Four odd years ago, whenever itwas when, just before the
American election, when thatnews broke about what Trump had
(10:54):
been saying about women, andthere was the tape and you know,
watching the news and thinking,all right, this is going to
change things.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And it never did.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
And within 24 hours it became blatantly obvious to
me that is he a misogynist?
Is he a chauvinist?
You know I'm not a clinicalpsychologist.
It's not my business todiagnose people In the world.
According to Sian, absolutelythat is chauvinistic, without a
shadow of a doubt, that I'mconfident.
Is he a misogynist?
(11:24):
Probably, because, if I'mhonest, would I want to be in a
room with that man on my ownpurely from that point of view,
after him hearing, speaking andbehaving, would I want my
daughter to be anywhere near him?
Every bit of my instinct wouldsay no.
Yeah, I have seen and met menwho have that same visceral
(11:45):
response to us and makes me feellike that, and I certainly
again I know you've heard me saythis in the past as a female
and I'll even go as far as tosay if you're a girl or a young
woman or an older woman orwhatever, we have hairs on the
back of our neck for a reason,and if they start prickling
(12:06):
because somebody is behaving orradiating something that is
making the hairs on the back ofyour neck in that misogynistic,
chauvinistic, yucky, vile waythat men can do and respond to
it, get out of there, use yourinstinct, because that's why we
(12:26):
have it to protect ourselves.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, women have a great instinct.
All right, and we will leave itthere.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
You're not a misogynist, right?
I don't think in any way, Jake.
You don't think you don't think.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I think we need to sell people.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
You're not.
You love women.
I know you do.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I'm not.
You love women.
I'm not a misogynist.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You're not a misogynist.
All right, let's start that dayBefore we finish this, let me
be clear you are not amisogynist.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Thank goodness for that.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Did you have when I first met you, some learnt
behaviour that could be in thecategory of chauvinism?
Yes, were you brave enough tolisten to both me and your
daughter beat you with a stickuntil you realised actually it's
not OK to say that, no, it'snot OK to make that comment,
(13:18):
it's not OK to belittle a woman,even if I don't know her,
through that lens of chauvinism.
And I've actually got a lot ofhope for the world.
I don't think the world isanywhere, my world.
Let me be clear.
There are other places in theworld where you've got entire
countries in higher societiesthat are misogynistic.
(13:41):
But I see quite a lot of hopein that space.
I think that the world in thelast 10 years, my world, has
changed for the positive.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Well, let's hope we can have more change.
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I think you'll enjoy this.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You've got that.
Look on your face.
What are you about to say?
Welcome to Big Questions.
Short Answers I'm Sian.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And I'm Andy Sian's husband asking the big life
questions.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And possibly adding a little bit of unsolicited
advice.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
This podcast is brought to you by shams
value-based online course.
Visit shanjakecom to find outmore.
How do I know if I'm amisogynist?
Oh all right, yeah, blowing thegourd on the floor.
So misogyny I know it's theword of the now as zegeist as
(00:42):
they say misogyny, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Okay, I'm happy to get in there, yeah you want to
get in there Before.
I get in there, I'm asking youto explain to me why you're
asking me the question.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Oh, that's unfair.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Why.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's not how the game works, it's not.
No, I just think that it's aninteresting.
It is something that isabsolutely thrown about now in
terms of misogyny, this,misogyny, that, and trying to
kind of shape as to how do Iknow if I'm being a misogynist?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
First of all, I would accept that there are times in
the privacy of our house when Iwill use that word, because I
know it slaps you across theface and makes you stand there
and it may be overplaying mycard, yeah yeah, but in my
defence I have never called youa misogynist.
I say you sound like amisogynist, you know what I mean
(01:43):
.
I will use it because it doesstop you in your tracks, right?
It stops most men in theirtracks, if I use that as a word.
Again, all I can explain to youis how I see it.
I am not an academic, I am not aclinical psychologist who has
studied personalities where amisogynist is clearly in the
(02:03):
frame for that kind of diagnosisactually A diagnosis.
You know that a man is amisogynist when there is, you're
looking at hatred, you arelooking at contempt, you are
looking for every opportunity toput a woman or a girl down that
(02:23):
they have wellclass john, islike they've got this burning
fear that a woman might be theirequal or better or know
something or feel something andthey need to put you down yeah,
but now there's misogyny whereyou can.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You know you kick the elite I love the way you spit
that word out.
What mis Misogyny.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
That's a difficult word, isn't it?
But there are other misogyniststhat I've come across,
especially in leadership, menwho really, really, really do
not like women.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Why?
Well, again you'll need to goand speak to.
I mean most misogyny Maybe, Idon't know.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Mummy issues, Female issues in their growing up.
I don't know right or were theyborn.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Is it just like a fundamental kind of dislike?
Well, it's not a dislike ofwomen, because I'm sure they'll.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well, you objectify them.
You use women as a tool toentertain, to get your own
jollies to put down in a publicway, seeking to control women's
behaviour.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
The question is how do I know if I'm a misogynist?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Because there's a difference.
Misogynists truly hate women.
They stoke the fire of hatingwomen.
They are blamed.
It is always women's fault.
Yeah, because they've got anissue with the entire sex, from
every level.
Who you are, what you are,because you are a woman, I hate
(03:49):
you and hate has to be fed.
Again, world, according to seanright, you have to feed hatred
a couple steps down, or maybeone step is a chauvinist right,
the chauvinist is a misogynist,right, right, they believe
that're a chauvinist, believesthat he is, he has some
supremacy over women, right, andthat he has a right for
(04:11):
dominance.
Right but as Inchon said, amisogynist actively wants to
hurt, destroy, put down becauseI hate you, and it never stops
it never stops.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Do you think this is an overused term?
Because how many misogynistsare?
There's probably quite a lot ofchauvinists.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Well, again, it's age and stage and society and
learning and all the rest of it.
I don't know whether there aremore misogynists than there were
before.
I don't know.
I don't know whether there'smore chauvinists.
I think there are educated,more empowered.
I mean, how many times have Isaid in these podcasts, you know
, male or female, it's aboutfinding your voice and it's
(04:53):
about saying stop, that isn'tright, that is hurting my
feelings, and I know that soundslike a very basic things to say
, but it doesn't matter whetheryou're five or 55.
Whether you literally put yourhand out and say to somebody in
their face, stop, you arehurting my feelings, or whether
it's a filter that you've got inyour head.
Actually, this needs to stopbecause it's hurting my feelings
.
Yeah, chauvinism has beenculturally accepted.
(05:16):
I mean, when I grew up, I'vegot to be fair.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
A lot of comedians made a lot of money from their
chauvinistic jokes.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
But did people see that as chauvinistic?
Because nobody thought there'sanything wrong in putting women
down, yeah, right, whereas I'mhoping we live in a world now
where it does matter.
And why does that?
It's because we come out thekitchen, guys, yeah, yeah, and
you can't pay the mortgage allon your own and you need me to
have a job and you need me tobring up children and you need
me to do all of these things.
(05:45):
So there has become, and Ithink that mothers have taken on
that responsibility as well.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I'm incredibly proud of the mothers and the women I
know who make it a fundamentalpart of their parenting skills
and priority to empower womenand to challenge men yeah, I
would argue that misogyny is anoverused term and chauvinism,
(06:13):
whilst it's gone out of fashion,is probably a more realistic
term, and misogyny is just abetter word to spit out.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Right.
Do you want me to tell you thetruth of what I really think
when you say that?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I mean, I think you just represent what a whole hell
of a lot of men think, right,oh, the word misogyynist used
too much, right, right.
Because you don't like itBecause it puts a spotlight on
you.
Well, it does.
It doesn't mean that you're amisogynist, by the way, but it
makes you think about yourselves, and so you're doing what you
do, and I'm going to be braveenough to say a hell of a lot of
(06:44):
men that I'm around do.
Oh well, let's rubbish it andbelittle it, because I don't
want to be thinking about that,I don't want to be accused of
that.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You're not a misogynist, because if you were,
I wouldn't be married to you.
Yeah Right, you do not hatewomen.
I know you don't right, butthere are men that do.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
But misogynists would say no, I love women.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Would they?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba.
Have you ever met a misogynist?
I don't think they're in mysocial circle.
No really, but I have notknowingly met a misogynist.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I'm not sure I'm qualified, I really am not
qualified, to explain to youwhat it is, what it isn't.
I think I and most women I knowYou've got a sick sense if
you're in the presence of amisogynist, unless you were
brought up by one and you'revery old, bloody house full of
it, or you live in a communitywhere misogyny is actually
allowed to thrive.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And then it becomes your normal.
I think the word, I think whatyou're really trying to say is
you're talking about chauvinism.
You know that.
Look at the jugs on her and allof that kind of revoltingness.
Right, that's chauvinism,that's a sense of entitlement
that I'm actually, of course,I'm allowed to say that yeah,
(07:59):
and then you get the oh, andthey're all so flaky because
they challenge you.
And no, I've heard you do it.
I've heard you do it to Tanifor night.
Oh, it's just a phrase or it'sjust a word, but why?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Because it's damaging , because it's belittling.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yes, and women have been belittled for so long, for
so long, and that doesn't meanthat there are men that aren't
belittled, right?
Yeah, I'm just saying that, youknow, if we're looking at the
scales of justice, men have hadit better than we have for a
hell of a long time and I thinkthere's a redress, there's a
(08:37):
rebalancing going on and anykind of change and redress is
hard.
You included, you know, andother men that I know and I love
dearly, you know, all raiseyour eyebrows and no God, here
they go again, picking me upbecause I've said that, saying
that that was wrong on thetelevision.
Both me and your daughter, I amvery proud to say do not let it
(09:02):
pass, because we believe, andI've hopefully brought Tanith up
to feeling be the same, which Iknow I have.
I've seen her do it.
Yeah, we won't let it go.
I've hopefully brought Tanith upto feeling be the same, which I
know I have.
I've seen her do it.
Yeah, we won't let it go.
We don't drop the bar.
I won't fight with you, I won'tbelittle you, I won't judge you
, but I do.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Oh, there's a little bit of judging.
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I reserve the right to reflect to you.
No, you are hurting my feelings, and you're hurting my feelings
because that is a chauvinisticthing to say.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So we have moved it a little bit on in terms of I
think the wrong word.
I think you chose that word,misogyny, and it is you know it
is used much more now than Idon't.
I remember chauvinism beingused, but that has gone Out of
fashion and misogyny has movedin.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
What's the name of that Muppet I was?
I know this is going out forpublic broadcast, otherwise I
wouldn't be using the wordMuppet.
Anybody who knows me well wouldknow I'd use a very different
language.
What's the name of that guy whodoes that podcast that was
arrested and all the rest of it,that kind of?
Anyway, I can't remember hisname now.
I don't want to remember hisname.
I certainly don't want to.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
He's got arrested.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, but that's you see, we do have misogyny right,
and there are men who aremisogynists Right.
Are there wall-to-wallmisogynists?
No, there aren't.
There's a hell of a lot morechauvinists.
But you know something?
I actually have a very positiveview on that.
I think men are getting braver.
I think they're having moreconfidence in having
(10:34):
conversations.
I think they are learning howto listen to the cause and
effect of what you think is likeboys' bantam.
Let me give you a very realexample.
Four odd years ago, whenever itwas when, just before the
American election, when thatnews broke about what Trump had
(10:54):
been saying about women, andthere was the tape and you know,
watching the news and thinking,all right, this is going to
change things.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And it never did.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
And within 24 hours it became blatantly obvious to
me that is he a misogynist?
Is he a chauvinist?
You know I'm not a clinicalpsychologist.
It's not my business todiagnose people In the world.
According to Sian, absolutelythat is chauvinistic, without a
shadow of a doubt, that I'mconfident.
Is he a misogynist?
(11:24):
Probably, because, if I'mhonest, would I want to be in a
room with that man on my ownpurely from that point of view,
after him hearing, speaking andbehaving, would I want my
daughter to be anywhere near him?
Every bit of my instinct wouldsay no.
Yeah, I have seen and met menwho have that same visceral
(11:45):
response to us and makes me feellike that, and I certainly
again I know you've heard me saythis in the past as a female
and I'll even go as far as tosay if you're a girl or a young
woman or an older woman orwhatever, we have hairs on the
back of our neck for a reason,and if they start prickling
(12:06):
because somebody is behaving orradiating something that is
making the hairs on the back ofyour neck in that misogynistic,
chauvinistic, yucky, vile waythat men can do and respond to
it, get out of there, use yourinstinct, because that's why we
(12:26):
have it to protect ourselves.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, women have a great instinct.
All right, and we will leave itthere.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
You're not a misogynist, right?
I don't think in any way, Jake.
You don't think you don't think.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I think we need to sell people.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
You're not.
You love women.
I know you do.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I'm not.
You love women.
I'm not a misogynist.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You're not a misogynist.
All right, let's start that dayBefore we finish this, let me
be clear you are not amisogynist.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Thank goodness for that.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Did you have when I first met you, some learnt
behaviour that could be in thecategory of chauvinism?
Yes, were you brave enough tolisten to both me and your
daughter beat you with a stickuntil you realised actually it's
not OK to say that, no, it'snot OK to make that comment,
(13:18):
it's not OK to belittle a woman,even if I don't know her,
through that lens of chauvinism.
And I've actually got a lot ofhope for the world.
I don't think the world isanywhere, my world.
Let me be clear.
There are other places in theworld where you've got entire
countries in higher societiesthat are misogynistic.
(13:41):
But I see quite a lot of hopein that space.
I think that the world in thelast 10 years, my world, has
changed for the positive.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Well, let's hope we can have more change.
Yeah, Join us next time on BigQuestions.
Short Answers with Sian Jacquetand me, Andy.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
If you have any questions you want to ask,
please send them via the websitesiansjacquetcom.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe and
share it with everyone you know.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
We really do appreciate you sharing 15
minutes with us.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
And if you want to do a bit more learning, go on to
Sian's website siansjackaycom.
There's a course on values tocreate the life you truly love.
I did it and it really does dowhat it says on the.
Can See you next time.
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