The Incredible Story of the Nectarball Documentary with Patty Mooney & Mark Schulze

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Cooking, culture, and a plant with a complicated past converge in a wide‑ranging conversation with filmmakers Patty Mooney and Mark Schulze, the duo behind Nectarball: The Story of Cannabis. What started at the Emerald Cup became a seven‑year journey across South Africa, Europe, and the Americas, capturing 165 candid interviews with nurses, scientists, growers, and icons like Tommy Chong and Ed Rosenthal, without a single line of narration. The result is a living archive of voices that demystify cannabis while honoring its roots

You’ll also hear about Mark’s rare Nectar Ball collection of landrace buds preserved since the 1970s, a window into genetics and terpenes that shaped today’s hybrid landscape. Whether you’re a home cook dialing in edibles, a patient curious about topicals, or a policy‑minded listener tracking de‑scheduling and SAFE Banking, this episode offers practical insight and a human compass. Stream Nectarball, support independent filmmakers, and pass it to someone who needs a thoughtful intro to modern cannabis. If this resonated, subscribe, leave a review, and share: what part of the cannabis journey are you most curious to explore next?

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SPEAKER_00 (01:41):
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(02:01):
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And together we'll explorestories and science and the
sheer joy of making safe,effective, and unforgettable
edibles at home.
So preheat your oven and getready today for a great episode.
For episode 324, I had theopportunity to sit down with
filmmakers Patty Mooney and MarkSchultz.

(02:22):
Now, these two have been in thefilmmaking space for a very long
time, and they have also beenadvocating for cannabis for just
as long.
And they made a documentarycalled Nectar Ball, which is our
focus today, this film thatthey've put together based on
the idea of living a highquality life.
And it all started at theEmerald Cup.

(02:43):
And throughout the years, theyhad the opportunity to interview
all kinds of cannabis OGs andluminaries, the names that we
know and trust in the cannabisspace.
This documentary was a labor oflove.
It took them several years and awhole pile of money to put
together.
And they're here today to talkabout that process, share their
story, and some of the thingsthat they learned along the way.

(03:05):
So without further ado, pleaseenjoy this conversation with
Patty and Mark.
Yeah, so we're actually we'relive now, and I am joined today
by Patty and Mark, who are thefilmmakers behind Nectar Ball.
And I'm really excited to haveyou both here today to tell the
listeners of Byte Me a littlebit more about yourselves in
this documentary that you tookseven years to produce.

(03:29):
And maybe you can just start outby introducing yourselves to the
listeners of Bite Me and tell usa little bit about your own
cannabis journey and whatbrought you to doing this
documentary in the first place.

SPEAKER_03 (03:39):
Pat, you want to start, ladies first?

SPEAKER_02 (03:42):
Oh my.
I'm Patty Mooney, and I'm aco-producer and editor of Nectar
Ball, The Story of Cannabis,along with a few other
cannabis-related films.
And well, cannabis isn't ouronly focus.
We've been producing films since1982 together via our company,

(04:02):
Crystal Pyramid Productions, andour other company that
distributed our tapes at thetime, VHS tapes, new and unique
videos.
And how the idea came forcannabis, the cannabis, uh
Nectarball, the story ofcannabis film, I'll I'll leave
that to Mark.

SPEAKER_03 (04:22):
I am Mark Schultz, uh producer and director of
photography.
I did you know the filmingaround the world for Nectarball
the Story of Cannabis.
Uh since this is the DVD, butand we did interviews with Tommy
Chong and John Sally and RaphaelMichulin before he passed away
and nurse Heather and uh EdRosenthal and you name it, Gigo

(04:48):
Betty.
This great people from all overthe world, uh, South Africa,
South America.
Uh, of course, uh the EmeraldCup was kind of where we got our
started in 2016.
I went up there, uh, Tim Blake'slittle Emerald Cup up at Santa
Rosa, and went to the historysection.
I gravitated there, met a lot ofOG uh cannabis, you know,

(05:13):
affectionados, connoisseurs,growers like myself.
And I started uh back when I wasa kid, like 15 years old, when I
first started tripod and uh gotmy first little bud that I got
from my aunt in 1972 before Ieven smoked it.
Uh I didn't really even smokeuntil 74.

(05:35):
Pot and growing it back in 74.
And um anyway, they in 2016 wentto the Emerald Cup and met all
these wonderful people and toldthem about my collection of old
buds, the necktie ballcollection, and they said, Wow,
that's that's amazing.
I don't think any I've neverheard of anybody that's got
that.

(05:55):
And so we I did a little filmingthen in 2016, and then said,
told Patty, we got to go back in2017 and bring our green screen
and our you know biggerprofessional equipment, uh, big
uh you know, professionalequipment we use for Crystal
Pyramid to do our corporateclients videos.
And we said, let's let's uh takethis up there, big green screen,

(06:19):
lighting, sound, everything, andinterview all these illuminaries
up there because they're suchfantastic people.
I said they're all gatheredtogether at one place.
So Tim Blake gave us a littleroom in the back, uh, and we we
set everything up and uh made itas soundproof as we could, and
just started pulling people infrom you know Swan Me Select and

(06:39):
his wife and uh Growers from theHumboldt Five, and Patty can
tell you all these peoplebecause she ended up having to
transcribe 165 interviews oversix years of traveling the
world, uh getting all theseinterviews.
And so we just started in 2017filming for it, and then went
all the way until about 2023.

(07:00):
She was editing.
Uh, we still gathered a fewinterviews and things like
Amsterdam and uh so we were fromEurope, South America.
The last place we did was SouthAfrica, uh Cape Town area,
Namibia, all these places, andthey had some legalized
dispensary type social clipstoo.
So all that put together, and itwas wonderful people.
We do no narration.

(07:22):
Uh, Patty took all thosetranscripts and and spent about
a year and a half editing thisafter she got the pearls of
about 65 of 165.
So we we did all things anotherthing with people that didn't
make the cut.
Patty added up a bunch of whatwe call Canon Minutes.
We put that on Citizen Green TV,citizengreen.tv, Steve Peterson,

(07:44):
and those people.
So they've got the Canon minutesalong with uh you can see it
also redcoraluniverse.com and ofcourse our website,
nectarball.com.
And uh that's kind of how westarted and got into the movie,
and then we we made a she Patmade a short 10-minute one
called Fighting Cancer withCannabis.
That one we put in San FranciscoFestival and then put that out

(08:07):
um on a few a few shows.
People I'm now buying that'sonly 10 minutes, so it wasn't
really you know, it's not likesomething Amazon Prime wanted,
whereas they wanted Niger Boyle,the story of cannabis, which is
an 83 or 82-minute documentary.
Um, and again, we don't donarration of the experts and the
pros and the nurses and thescientists and the growers and

(08:29):
all the other OG people talk andand tell us.
And then we did an offshoot of12 black cannabis visionaries
with John Sally, and um we did afew more interviews at uh MJ
BizCon where we uh just releasedthat one that was 2025.

(08:50):
However, we uh took that downoff of many sites other than Red
Coral Universe because it's only38 minutes, because we wanted to
uh uh make a 60-minute versionbecause it would be easier to
distribute worldwide that way,uh 60 minute.
So we have to get some morefootage, so that'll probably be
coming out in 2026 orre-released as a longer version,

(09:12):
and that's pretty much ourjourney of cannabis-centric
documentaries and as Pat wouldsay, films, even though we hope
but he shoots film anymore.
But we we our our background isin educational uh document and
documentaries, uh shows that weused to release in VHS starting

(09:33):
in 1985 with um Common SenseSelf-Defense for Women and uh
Pants and Massage for Relaxationvideo, and then we did one
called California Big Hunks,which is a crazy fun one that
was like before Chippendale's,no nudity, but the six sexy
stripper guys, California BigHunks stripped down, and that's

(09:55):
also out there in the market.
If you look for California BigHunks, that was a fun one
in '85.
And uh a few others we did, um,and then a bunch of mountain
biking videos, the ultimatemountain biking video followed
before that that the greatmountain biking video, and then
uh full cycle world odyssey.
We went around the world on ourmountain bikes, kind of like
Endless Summer on MountainBikes, and that one just got

(10:16):
picked up by a bunch of placestoo, including Amazon Prime.
Uh, so we you know, we're doingokay, but you know, we you don't
make a documentary, by the way,as Patty will tell you too, to
make any money.
It's uh we probably put in aquarter of a million at making
the film.
Um, and we've probably seen afew hundred dollars so far, but

(10:38):
we we really want it to be seenby people, so hopefully your
viewers will check it outbecause it's as you can you you
could attest seeing it yourself,how good a documentary it is,
and and how it can help theworld be a better place with
cannabis in it.

SPEAKER_00 (10:52):
Yeah, and it sounds I did have the opportunity to
watch the film myself, and itwas great.
And it sounds like it took youall over the world while you
while you're producing this thisdocumentary, and as you
mentioned already, seven yearsit took to put this movie out.
Were there any bigmisconceptions that you had
going into the project thatcompletely changed by the end?

SPEAKER_02 (11:15):
One of the things that that struck me was just a
quote by uh a cultivator namedMatt Gress that he had gone into
uh the can med and seen a uhpresenter who said, You can eat
the herb that's in a plasticbaggie in your pocket right now

(11:39):
and get benefits just fromeating the plant.
And another grower, Sunshine,Sarah Seda, said one of the most
uh um like amazing things youcan do is juice it.
And so the plant itself, as youknow, you have your focus on

(12:01):
edibles, contains so manycannabinoids in its raw state.
So we always thought it had tobe fired up to get good.
Um, no, the whole plant and themale plant has benefits too.
I mean, this plant is meant forus, right?

SPEAKER_00 (12:23):
That is pretty interesting that you mentioned
that because people really don'ttalk about consuming THCA or
CBDA, which is or the otherplant compounds before they're
decarboxy.
We're always setting it on fireor baking it in the oven.
So that's that's prettyinteresting.
A good thing to point outbecause I I'm growing some
plants right now and I'vedecided I'm gonna try some
juicing of those leaves once Iharvest and stuff.

(12:45):
So that is that is veryinsightful.
Now you two have been together.
Yeah, yeah.
You two have been together for43 years, and you describe
yourselves as experts in highquality living.
How did creating thisdocumentary shift your personal
relationship with cannabis?

SPEAKER_03 (13:04):
Hmm.
Good question.
I I'd I'd say I'd start not bad.
You jump in anytime.
Um, I I mean, I always say likelove is all there is.
I mean, period.
Just the you know, you're onthis planet for a short period
of time, and like in the movieThe Notebook, you know, you you
if you could uh uh put yourselfin the right place and you meet
the love of your life.
And in my case, I made my wishout of my little crystal, and I

(13:27):
go, hey, uh, you know, uh, Iwant to meet my soulmate on
before Valentine's Day, ninemonths before, and then all of a
sudden, poof, you know, onValentine's Day, she's I'm
filming for the World HungerProject at a little theater
called the La Paloma here inAnsenidas, near San Diego.
And there she was, one of this,one of the actors, singers.
And uh I fell madly in love justlike just on site.

(13:47):
They say, Fall your site, yousee someone, and you but I
didn't want her to freak herout, say something like that.
So I invited her out to dinnerand and we you know hung out.
She had a bunch of boyfriends,but we ended up being together
since like Valentine's Day in1982.
Um, so love is there, and andthat's the most important thing.
And then teaming up to do thingsafterwards and decide like,

(14:11):
well, what do you want to do?
And high quality life is is istrying to live every day.
I mean, like almost like if it'syou could be your last.
I mean, we none of us know.
You get hit by a lot oflightning or meteor, but not
likely.
So if you're gonna live, youmight as well make every day
count.
Um and you know, eat right,exercise, have fun, go out in
nature a lot.

(14:31):
Those are all things that we doto live a high quality life.
Like later today, we're gonna beon a mountain bike ride with a
few friends nearby here, andjust you know, get up back out
in nature.
We try to go out in nature atleast twice a week, if not if
you count our backyard, which ison a can over a canyon, then we
are in nature every day.
I go out gardening, like you'vegot my little plants, and just

(14:54):
try to, you know, it's it's it'ssuch a beautiful plant, and
that's uh the first one I grewwhen I was a little kid.
I didn't want to kill, andthat's how I found out that they
turned into buds, happened to bea female one.
I don't want to kill it, it justgets better and better, it
seems.
What is this sticky stuff?
And that's where I came up withthe name nectar ball, because
there's these little theystarted turning little balls and
they're sticky, and that'ssticky.

(15:15):
What is that?
It's turn you know, TFC resincapsules on the tricombs.
I don't know, that's words, butI read all the books I could get
on cannabis after that.
And then when I was going toschool at UCSD and then move up
a huge crop out in themountains, you know, then it got
busted the second year becauseuh in San Diego there's there's
no place to hide your buds.
I mean, like this is this was apicture from 1979 uh of the

(15:40):
buds, and as you can see in thebackground, there's no trees.
This is kind of on focus.
I don't know if it the camerashould focus on this, but it's
um but anyway, the the there itgoes.
In the background, you can't youdon't see it.
It's all this mountains likethis one, and that's me, you
know, there in the mountains.

(16:00):
There's no trees, you can't hideyour pot.
So we got busted.
But anyway, that's right afterthat.
I met Patty and we've beentogether since uh having a great
time.
Pat, you chime in any role.
We don't have kids, by the way.
That's another makes it easierfor us.

SPEAKER_01 (16:20):
I guess that's our films.

SPEAKER_03 (16:22):
Our films are our children, it's our art form,
it's our way of giving back tothe world, leaving the world a
better place with us in it, asopposed to some of the stuff
going on right nowadays with alot of people.

SPEAKER_02 (16:34):
So the high quality life for me is um it's a double
entendre, right?
High.
It's nice to be high because youyour perspective of the world is
kind of like you're you have awider, higher perspective of it,
and it's not you're not like sodiminished as to be depressed or

(16:59):
lost, you're part of it, you'repart of it all.
So um, when we went into ourmode of talking to people and
learning while we were filmingthis project, we learned about
how uh you it's not there are somany more delivery systems of

(17:19):
the plant than just smoking it.
You can eat it, you can spreadit on your skin, you can take
little drops, tinctures.
So Mark started making sometinctures and balms because with
our mountain biking career overthe last, well, since 1986,
we've been mountain bikingtogether.
Um, you know, you get your achesand pains.

(17:40):
It's an inherently verydangerous sport.
You crash a couple times hereand there.

SPEAKER_03 (17:45):
You're working that jackhammer going over rocks.

SPEAKER_02 (17:49):
So my shoulders are really worked, and so I use the
balm on that.
I take the tinctures everynight.
He makes he makes the sleepyblend and helps me sleep through
the night.
No, no more insomnia, no morepain at night that keeps me
awake.
So it's, I mean, I I hesitate touse the word miraculous, but

(18:12):
like I said before, this plantis made for humans, the
cannabinoids, the cannabinoidreceptors we have in our bodies.
That's another thing we learnedabout the endocannabinoid system
that most doctors have no clueabout because it can't be taught
in medical school, because it'sbeen on this horrible list as a
negative drug.

(18:36):
Insane, insane.
Why would we chop off our ownnose despite our face?

SPEAKER_03 (18:42):
I mean, and also um I made pet well before I did the
tinctures and whatnot, I'd makebrownies, of course.
Everybody's not classic browniemix with cart box-wise pot and
everything, and so she take alittle square because it's
pretty powerful.
You do it right with it, youknow, and uh with the right
amount in the oils, and uh gavesome to our friends, and they

(19:03):
everybody seems to love it.
Like, you know, Margaret, youcan obviously talk and you do
about consuming edibles in atasty way.
Um, I'm sure we we can all learnfrom you tastier ways to do it
too.

SPEAKER_00 (19:18):
Yeah, I know I I love that you brought up the
topicals as well, because I feellike any aging adult, and I put
myself in this category, I mean,I don't know if I could survive
the day without my topicals aswell.
So, you know, it's such a gentleand approachable way to get into
cannabis.
And I maybe hesitate to use theword miraculous as well, because

(19:38):
it doesn't necessarily help allthe physical ailments that we
have, but for those that findrelief through topicals, it
really is miraculous, honestly.
So I'm really glad that youbrought that up.

SPEAKER_03 (19:50):
Now in the process of the the the nectar bomb, we
made some of that, and my soccerplayers like love putting on
their knees, that's old soccerplayers over 60s, you know.
So these guys are over the 40s,they're going, hey man, this is
great for my knees.
Yeah, so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (20:05):
No, any of those knees and joints, it's uh
topicals are pretty uh amust-have in anybody's arsenal
of medical help.
But now for the documentary, youinterviewed, as you already
mentioned, over 165 cannabisluminaries, but you're only able
to feature about 52 in the finalcut.
So, what kinds of stories orperspectives didn't make it in

(20:29):
and why?
And now it does sound like whenyou were talking in the
beginning, Mark, that you aregoing to be releasing some of
these interviews that didn'tmake it, but was there anything
in particular why they didn'tmake it into the original
documentary?

SPEAKER_03 (20:41):
I want to let Patty answer that, but I will say
before that that um uh becauseit was mainly her decision based
on the transcripts and what theflow, you know, from history,
from the past, the present tothe future, you know, and and
want to make sure we gave avoice to everybody, including
farmers, which have never gottena voice in any other movies per
se, usually that I know of atleast.

(21:02):
And you know, so we we did allthat, and um, and also if we can
get funding, because it's it'sall been self-funded, you know,
from from work that we've donefor uh other people and and
groups and corporations, ofwhich we took those profits and
put them into making this movie,you know, it's a labor of love,

(21:22):
passion project is what theyoften call.
And uh we thought we could do aseries.
So there's you know, we even didone, we've even got Paris got
one, but we're having someproblems with the legal
legalities uh for and EdRosenthal, because he's got a
great story, obviously.
Ed Rosenthal versus the feds,um, and and and the the uh 12

(21:43):
black cannabis visionaries anduh fighting cancer with
cannabis.
So we could actually, you know,there's we have a I we have
ideas for like another 10-partseries, but we'd have to get
money together to get thatbecause we can't do it all by
ourselves this next time we'rewe're getting too old and and
it's a lot of work and it burnsyou out if you don't have a
little help.
So, Patty, you go ahead now.

(22:04):
You can answer that wonderfulquestion about why are some
people on the cutting room floorat this point in time?

SPEAKER_02 (22:10):
Well, just based on duplicate material, and so I
would choose the person who hadthe most succinct and elegant
way of saying it.
Um if there were people who kindof um om, that's why I made it,

(22:31):
then um so basically that wasit.
And and then I always had inmind that certain people spoke
about certain things like umtheir time in jail, and so I
wanted to preserve that for avideo on its own about the

(22:52):
incarceration of people,farmers, the the domestic
terrorism that was imposed byour own government, helicopters
dropping out of the sky,dropping people out of the sky
to terrorize farmers.
This is like, oh, your tomatoplants.
We're gonna arrest you over tobecause cannabis is like a

(23:16):
tomato plant.
And um the fact that we're notthat is still going on, people
are still incarcerated over aplant that is we have to get
them out, and we have to reallywrestle with this topic because
this plant is our birthright.

SPEAKER_03 (23:39):
Part of our history.
Sorry, go ahead, Mark.
Yeah, yeah, it's a part of thehistory of America, and even uh
Dan Hare, I mean, you know, heshowed a ten dollar bill from
the 30s where it shows guysgrowing hemp on the back of the
bill, right?
That was part of our thing, youknow.
Not to mention constitution andsales for the ships that brought

(24:00):
the pilgrims here in the firstplace.
So yeah, that's in our DNA.
It was Jefferson, Washington.
We start with those quotes inthe movie.
You know, it's an important hempand all that was it.
And canvas they they used theyused the flour as well as the uh
hemp.

SPEAKER_00 (24:16):
So yeah, yeah, hemp is uh it's a real loss that we
haven't been able to go back tothat era where we've used hemp
for so many things because itwould be so much more
environmentally friendly to forwhat we're doing today.
But uh we'll get there slowly ifit's made out of hemp, I think
out of Canada.

SPEAKER_03 (24:34):
Oh, great, yeah.
Yeah, stuff on there.

SPEAKER_00 (24:39):
It's a fantastic material.
I have sneakers made out of hempas well, which I love.
And you're starting to see moreproducts coming out made with
hemp, but uh, it would be niceto see a lot more.
But back to the people thatyou're interviewing, were there
any interviews that were alittle too controversial or
legally sensitive to include inthe documentary?

SPEAKER_03 (25:01):
I don't think so per se, because I kind of like the
way Patty structured thetimeline on the edit, and you
know, try to keep everythingtight and great, and the best
people and on the topics, andthe experts and scientists, and
doctors, and nurses, especiallythe nurses, uh the cannabis
nurses network, nurse Heather,Ken Silver, her husband,

(25:23):
wonderful person, has said, hey,look at whether you know it or
not, consuming cannabis ishealthy for you.
It's gonna have medicinalbenefits.
So, you know, those quotes Imean, we we're learning along
the way too.
You know, I mean, I I was beengrowing since I was a kid, but I
learned all kinds of things thatI I I didn't know a whole lot of
stuff about terpenes and stuff.

(25:44):
I just agree with because I liketo smell them.
When I first grew the firstplants I did, they were very uh
they were all stativa and theysmelled like pine trees.
That was the terpene.
And then later I got someAfghanistan hash plant seeds
in '76.
So I grew some in 77 or 78, andor yeah, so maybe 78.

(26:06):
So it was just amazing.
I'm like, wow, this stuff isit's incredible.
I mean, it just smelled like askunk, and one leaf could cover
your head where the sativa oneswere thin, and and and this is
the original before it all gothybridized like nowadays.
So it's big leaf smelled justlike a skunk, and I'm like, Wow,
did it knock you out on yourbutt?

(26:27):
You know, a whole different highas that was in the indica than
those, and that was Pier one,too.
Um, after that, the people sawyou can't grow those together.
They'll never you can'tcrossbreed.
And I found out you could.
I didn't do it on purpose, itjust happened.
So then the all the plantsstarted becoming a little taller
and thinner, and not the bigleaf that you cover your head,

(26:49):
and the smell started blending,and you know.
So nowadays I get I would saythat I don't know, they have
thousands of names of stuff backin the days when we were doing
it.
Be one or two varieties ofsomething coming out, you know,
South America generally forCalifornia.
I can talk to you more aboutthat because that's part of the
Nekiball collection.
All these old buds I've got, andincluding like a tie stick from

(27:12):
1978, that impresses people, youknow.
So that's kind of fun.
And then, you know, Colombiangold, and that's that's even got
the seeds in it.
That bud's special, so yeah, butwe could talk about that later.

SPEAKER_02 (27:29):
Anyway, I do have one note about that.
When we first started tointerview people, it was well,
Mark um had a camera with him in2016 at the Emerald Cup, and
then we brought the full gearextravaganza in 2017.
And there is a big issue abouttrust.
I mean, people opening theirhearts and and spilling their

(27:53):
secrets about cannabis becauseit's it's been dangerous for so
long to talk about it even.
Yeah, trust us as fellow OGs.
I don't think anybody who wasn'tfamiliar or knew had a
relationship with cannabis wouldbe able to pull this off.

SPEAKER_03 (28:13):
Yeah, we they respected the fact that I I I
knew about it, but I could showthem pictures of actual buds.
They said they still exist.
Oh, yeah, with seats.
Oh my god, never heard say ifyou heard it.
Nope, never heard of it.
So they like even Penske's likehe wants to look, he wanted to
look me up before he did theinterview.
He wanted to check me out tomake sure next day we came back

(28:34):
because we came back in 2018 tooat the Emerald Cup and did
interviews again.
And a little shout-outs to TimBlake and his Emerald Cup at the
time.
But uh people they they yeah,they responded well, and they
said, Oh, yeah, you're you'rethe real deal, so well, ask me
anything you want.
Because again, it's still prettyillegal back, even seven, 16,
17, and 8, 2018.

(28:55):
Those yeah, medically okay, andwe were in California, but you
know, like you said, people weregetting life sentences for a
single seed in Texas, you know,right, which is crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (29:08):
So the the trust factor is pretty huge.
It's an interesting thing thatyou bring up because people had
to trust you that you wouldsafeguard their stories and
present present them in anhonest way.
And yeah, they depending onwhere they were from or where
they were living, they coulddefinitely be taking a risk by
doing that.
But that also helps break thestigma as well, doesn't it?
When people are able to open upand say, hey, even if you know

(29:30):
you're not a famous person, thisis me and I use cannabis because
one thing I've learned fromdoing this podcast is people
from all walks of life usecannabis, whether it's just
topicals or whether they'resmoking a joint every night or
whether they're wake and bakingor whatever.
Uh, yeah, people from all walksof life are using cannabis.
So it's uh it's important toshare these stories, I think, so

(29:52):
that those who are still in theshadows, or maybe even just
considering cannabis, have rolemodels of other people who are
doing it.
And, you know, they haven'tsuccumbed to the reefer madness
that uh we are all told wouldhappen if we're gonna do that.

SPEAKER_03 (30:09):
That was that was you know the funniest thing that
a lot of famous people.
I mean, back when I was 20, um,I met Chich and Chong at a
concert in Vegas, and they uhthey knew my aunt was in the
committee, which was a told themabout that.
And they got a lot of theirearlier funny stuff on the
records from the committee, likeHerbie and Ralph, the dog, you
know, all the skits, a bunch ofthem, not all of them, of

(30:32):
course.
And they invited me to the uh LaJolla Comedy Club when they came
and I was 20.
They said, as long as you don'tdrink alcohol, so I don't care.
I smoke pop.
So we'd get high afterwards,they never get high before.
They did their veryprofessional, and we party, and
I got to know Chi Chinjong thatway.
So I was 20 and Tommy was 40.

(30:52):
And flash forward, Pat and Iwent up to LA to interview him
when I was 60 and he was 80.
Uh that's cool.
Now I'm 66, almost 67.
So, you know, that that was kindof a neat, you know, 40 years
later, suddenly, and these guyswere always putting themselves
out there before anybody.
I mean, obviously, teachingchildren are famous stoners, and

(31:14):
they and Tommy had to do timefor it.
Stupid bomb crap.
You know, give me a break, youknow.
Oh, he's a little ball acrossthe state line.
He took the hit, so his his kidsdidn't have to suffer or anybody
else.
And uh what a wonderful guy.
Those guys always used to go toprisons and help convicts, you
know, with comedy.
You know, they donated theirtime and back.

(31:34):
the day before their movies cameout.
Once their movies came out, itbecame really difficult.

SPEAKER_00 (31:38):
They got real I'm sure they I'm sure they got
pretty busy after that.

SPEAKER_03 (31:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (31:42):
But that's pretty cool that you're able to see
them perform like in a comedylike at a comedy theater back in
the day like before they werebefore they were famous.

SPEAKER_03 (31:50):
Yeah well they were famous but they're you know we
could hang out afterwards andsmoke a joint and nobody
bothered us right yeah theyweren't they weren't uh famous
after doing their movies famousI guess yeah that was big that
was a big step now they'refilling up you know huge
theaters as opposed to thelittle comedy club and don't
forget to mention uh that theyuse your uh plants to model

(32:12):
their plants yeah I had a I hada I had a plant or I had a
couple plants I showed them someblack and white pictures of this
this particular plant actuallythis is in 1978 and I teach
called it the plant that ateChicago and I took a black and
white picture it's that I don'thave here that was lower and it

(32:32):
looked huge like it was loomingyou know because all the leaves
were hanging down and and uh Ishowed them the I gave them a
bunch of black and whites thatthey were able to use for their
Chichin Chan's next movie whichwas the second movie in their
installment and they put themall in the pool and they're all
made out of plastic they weren'treal but they used um pictures
that I gave them to show thembecause I had these Sensomia

(32:53):
plants and not a lot of peopleback in those days saw that or
knew about that and the potquality started getting better
and of course in Humboldt I I'vegot like some Humboldt from 1979
that that was you know some somesensey that was great because
that that's where all the goodshit was coming from a little
bit of Mauiwae too you know acouple other places but most of
the stuff coming out of Mexicohad a lot of seeds in it and had

(33:16):
been crushed you know like thethe like I said the Columbian
gold or the the the tie stickthat came in and there's um
Columbian gold then you can Idon't know the camera can even
see it but there you go and ituh it has a couple seeds in it
but that was from 1978 but itwas all crushed you know it was

(33:36):
like squished yeah like in likein the brickweed that you were
doing yeah exactly so that thatthat's what that happened and
yeah and uh the uh it's it'sit's you know it was and because
of that I think like with BobMarley's to do that too where he
bury it a little bit it it itincreased it turned to THC to C
B D or can the cannabinoids gotreal stony so your pot got

(34:00):
stonier yeah they it tends todegrade a little bit into
something that'll make you morecouch locked yeah I didn't like
that so much I like like thehigher high but that was what it
was like back in those days youknow you you got what you got
you there was no dispensaries ora choice and now there's too
many goddamn scary boy scoutgirl scout whatever cookies and

(34:22):
yeah like I get the idea but butyou know it's it seems very
similar I mean I I have a hardtime knowing I mean I see the
differences and I could tastethem obviously you know as a
connoisseur um and I I use theseuh little glass pipe pets like
you know to smoke with so Icould do just a little bit
dosing yeah as opposed tosmoking a part of a joint or a

(34:44):
whole joint you know so uh Ithink that's that's a better way
to connoisseur um but there'slike too many varieties of
things to choose from nowadays Idon't know you know yeah we've
gone to from the opposite end ofthe spectrum I mean back in the
day like you're saying you hadbrickweed and that was like it
or you go to now and you walkinto a dispensary and there's a

(35:05):
hundred different types ofcannabis dried flour cannabis
that you can choose from and uhI mean I'm not gonna complain
too much about that but it isnice to have the choice but yeah
yeah it can be a littleoverwhelming.

SPEAKER_00 (35:18):
Now when you started filming in 2017 um which of your
cannabis which of your cannabisinterviewees like made
predictions that have completelymissed the mark because the film
came you started filming in 2017and it came out in 2024 Patty I

(35:40):
mean I like because when I whenI saw that question I thought to
myself well some some peoplelike talking about you know how
it can well the South Africanthey were using it for building
materials.

SPEAKER_03 (35:51):
I know in Ecuador we interviewed the museum curator
there at the cannabis museum isthe and it was not Ecuador it
was um uh uh uh Ushawaya uhUruguay Uruguay the first
country to utilize cannabis yesand he was talking about all
these you know things it can bemade from and sure enough yeah
they they make plastic parts forcars but it hasn't been embraced

(36:14):
as much as as I think they or wehoped it would be as far as for
things other than just gettinghigh and and whatnot and it you
know for building and uh fuel Ithink it's still not there.
And I think also a lot of peoplesay well the stigma will be less
and no there's still stigma.
We still need to get the wordout we still need to help people
see documentaries like NegativeWorld Story Canvas so that they

(36:37):
can you know show their parentsand say or other people that
vote so we could get these billspassed and it descheduled back
in the early 1979 through 81 wewould have a smoking on campus
at my at UCSD and I just we'dgive out hundreds of joints and

(36:58):
everybody we did it right we putposters out say come after the
watermelon drop you know atexactly this time you know on
this day and we put the postersout that day and it said don't
legalize decriminalize that'swhat we always thought I mean
was that palm tree is thattomato plant legal or illegal no
why is this so we need to itstill needs to be these schedule

(37:20):
a lot of people predicted itwould by now it would be you
know illegal all across theworld or at least in the United
States so in that case somepeople missed the mark and the
prediction of how long it'sgoing to take is still taking
time and as you know evenrecently people say oh yeah the
new administration is is isgoing to help make it legal no

(37:41):
they they're just making up allkinds of other excuses and lying
to us and it's still scheduleone and and the the could take
years more so so people havemissed the mark on on that
number one from my perspective.
Patty what do you think anythingthat came to come to mind to you
yes like people like SteveD'Angelo would say they wouldn't

(38:02):
make these bold predictions.

SPEAKER_02 (38:04):
They would say we're at a crossroads where it's up to
us to make a decision on whichway to go and nobody really had
any idea of what humanity waswilling to do in regards to the
cannabis plant.
One issue is the banking issueand we were told that a lot of

(38:27):
the growers would have to havecash stuffed in storage rooms
because they couldn't put it ina bank and and and it's an unsa
and they can't have guns toprotect themselves and so it's
it was a very and I think itstill is a a very negative
situation for people involved inthe industry.

(38:47):
It's very unsafe.

SPEAKER_00 (38:49):
Yeah banking just needs to change I think they're
starting to a little I don'tknow if I've been hearing stuff
I've had friends and relativesthat have been trying to get
that worked out with the bankingthing and it's still kind of
yeah that that banking thing issuch a it's so frustrating
because at the federal levelthat they say well because it's
not legal federally they won'tum you know banking isn't really

(39:10):
an option which I guess is adecision the banks are making
but even for myself as a partnerin Canada I often have through
banking partners have run intoissues because a lot of things
like Stripe for instance are USbased and then they're like oh
you have cannabis in the name ofsomething you must be selling it
or whatever.
And then every few months I feellike I have to my account gets

(39:33):
suspended and I have to arguewith them and appeal and be like
I've I have an audio podcastthat's educational.
I don't sell weed or anythingbut like because of those laws
in the states it affects peopleelsewhere as well because so
many of those uh partners thatyou use to produce a show like
bike relies on platforms thatare US based and so I'd really

(39:55):
love to see that change too.

SPEAKER_03 (39:57):
Yeah yeah but I'm sure also shadow band I mean
sure you you and us all of us wecan't seem to get the word out
about the documentaries that Isaid look we're not selling
we're not selling our tincturesor nectar bomb or anything but
you know someday maybe but untilthen it's just t-shirts or a hat
or selling a DVD or in your casepodcasts and you know broadcast

(40:22):
we put it it's out there onAmazon Prime why why in the heck
can't they you know why whycan't we say just because the
word cannabis is in there wecan't advertise it you know yeah
they want our money they'll takeour money and then say oh yeah
but then they sure will theylimit how many people actually
get to see it.
So that's it's like you're notgetting your full value.

SPEAKER_00 (40:40):
Yeah it's still a pretty frustrating space to
operate in because of some ofthose pretty strict limitations
around scheduling in the statesand banking the banking system
and the rest of it any good newslike did have there been any
developments in the cannabisspace that surprised you or any
of your your experts that youinterviewed Patty's thinking I

(41:06):
can see yeah I can see theturning but it's also a little
uh telling that you're likenothing comes to mind
immediately there's I meangetting it on more plat getting
our show on more platforms thatthat that's that's that's
happening but go ahead when wewhen our show first uh when we

(41:31):
were filming it I think it wasaround 2018 and we videotaped
nurse emac and and we were soimpressed by by her knowledge
and her brilliance and she camefrom the pharmaceutical industry
she was uh a representative forfor the pharmaceutical and you
know anthem okay um medical andwe asked her to speak at our

(41:55):
local San Carlos that's where welive in San Diego group at the
local library and and she didand the library was packed
packed with mostly seniorsbecause that's the segment who
can really use it and theyreally wanted to learn and I
thought that was eye-opening.

SPEAKER_02 (42:16):
I thought this is great and that was my focus when
I was editing is for the mainmainly the elders and the
seniors who are in pain and andneed a balm for their shoulders
and their aches and pain.
And I think that's that's theone glimmer of hope is that when

(42:38):
we were in Texas we I mean nottech we weren't in Texas we were
in Ecuador with some people fromTexas and New York and one of
the ladies was an older woman inher early 80s and she complained
about arthritis and I said whydon't you try some of this and I
it was a it was a littlecontainer of cannabis that we

(42:59):
had been able to obtain in thepark from a vendor amazing so
it's sad you know it's goteucalyptus and all the good
stuff in it but said on the jarcannabis used it and it was an
immediate spontaneous relief forher and and I know that she
didn't vote for Kamala right butit's the inroads you make with

(43:23):
people and to try and open theirminds about the benefits of this
plant.

SPEAKER_03 (43:33):
Well especially since they've been taught their
whole lives when they were thatat that age that it was you know
the devil and reefer madness andmarijuana assassin youth crap.
So they um for them to startwaking up like a friend's mother
that's what again in the 80s 70slate 80s early 80s whatever she
said first time she ever gotsome sleep from somewhere in

(43:55):
Necker bomb she just put it onsome of her she said she hadn't
had sleep like that for eightyears and I'm like wow so her
son you know so these that's ourour little our little anecdotal
tests and we're seeing that yeahand people say that you know and
a lot a lot of medicinalabilities in helping people
sleep you know then there'sthat's CBD stuff and then that's

(44:16):
all out there but it thatdoesn't work as well as if you
don't have a little THC mixed inthere.
You get the full spectrum getthe then it helps your
endocannibinoid system much muchbetter as you know as a cook you
can use the whole plant.
So some of these things are alittle you know there's a lot of
of course con artists out thereusing trying to miracle this and

(44:36):
that and then they're only usingC B D and it may not even be
that real or who knows whatthey're using.

SPEAKER_00 (44:42):
How do you bring that up because I used to work
at a dispensary uh a few yearsago we were the first legal
dispensary in my town and someof my favorite customers I've
mentioned this numerous times onthe show but my favorite
customers were often the seniorsthat would come in because they
asked the best questions.
They were really curious andthey listened to what you had to
say and they were so gratefulfor the help that you gave them.

(45:03):
And so and they were having toovercome all this stigma just by
walking through the doors ofthat dispensary.
But several times some of thesefolks would come in and show me
a bottle and be like this iswhat I need and it would be like
something they'd bought off theinternet that was basically a
super expensive bottle of hempoil that you could buy at like
any grocery store because it wasjust like your hemp seeds made

(45:26):
into an oil which was like youknow it's good for you but it's
not it's not cannabinois.
Like yeah and I just thought ofall like so many scams out there
and I just felt so bad for thesefolks but they are like honestly
so curious and want to learnmore about this plant and they
fall into two categories I findsome seniors are like really
interested and want to know moreand want to you know live better

(45:49):
through the benefits of cannabisand some of them are just like
nope not interested not don'twant to talk to me about it.
So it really it really depends.
But if you have a friend that'sbeen using topicals or cannabis
in some form that's been superhelpful you know solely it's
that word of mouth that reallyyou know spreads the word and
yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:10):
If it did if it didn't work the the the even the
stuff that's minimal you knowquality for expensive price if
it didn't work people wouldn'tbe buying it and talking about
it and using it.
So we'd know that and in yourcase you had high quality
products so that when thesepeople tried those they were
like wow this is way better it'slike Rick Simpson built in ours

(46:30):
yeah you know so people like wowthis is a this this you know
whether you make it yourselfwhich we do because I I can
trust the quality of my organicgardening and don't much like
three or four plants or you knowI might get a couple out
whatever and I can make enoughmedicine that I could share with

(46:50):
my friends and relatives thatcan use it.
But some people are still likeyou said scared of using it uh
especially if they're older orif they're if they're having
problems uh like me I had I hadthree friends with that horrible
glioplastoma brain tuberwhatever the one that kills
everyone but five percent orwithin five years.

(47:13):
Wow and and we had three friendsum of the three friends two used
cannabis products in addition todoing the same all three of them
did Western medicine and hadsurgeries and and did chemo and
all that stuff that they do forcancer but two of them used
cannabis in addition and the onethat didn't passed away within
about a couple years ago and theother two are still alive.

(47:35):
So that's anecdotal I'm notsaying it's a cure or anything
but it that definitely helpedsome people survive and live
longer.
I don't know you know I wouldn'tsay they're necessarily cancer
free because I think it's apretty bad one but they're doing
better than the people thatdidn't use cannabis so there's
some some benefits.
I mean I mean some people are soyou know cancer ridden no matter
what they do it's not gonnahelp.

SPEAKER_00 (47:56):
Yeah yeah well again that goes back to the idea that
it's not a it's not miraculousit's not gonna cure everything
but if it's something that youcan add to your toolbox to help
with whatever other tools you'reusing to overcome something then
why not?

SPEAKER_03 (48:11):
Yep just like in our documentary and Patty will test
this little granny's granny umwhat was she would be giving out
uh uh pot brownies to the AIDSvictims to help them yes brownie
brownie mary yeah yeah yeah I'mthinking granny mary who walks

(48:32):
well was it was against wasagainst politics money in
politics but anyway that wasgranny d yeah granny d but
anyway go ahead Patty yeah so uhpeople who those are the true
heroes people like uh BrownieMary and Dennis Perone and
people who put and Ed Rosenthalpeople who put themselves up and

(48:56):
even in the line of fire at thetime because that was a tough
place to be at the time umespousing can uh marijuana
cannabis which is puttingyourself in the headlights of
the government to go after youand prosecute you and put you in
jail um there's a lot of greatgroups out there uh you know

(49:16):
last prisoner project 40 tons alot of people trying to get
everybody out there's there'sstill people believe it or not
that are in there even thoughJoe Biden pardoned a lot and I
think he trumped it a couple butyou know you you've got to get
these people out it's ridiculousif they're in jail still for a
couple joints or even if theywere caught you know selling a

(49:37):
couple ounces or whatever youknow that's still ridiculous
again it's a plant for God'ssake and let's get these people
out anyway.

SPEAKER_00 (49:46):
Yeah yeah no it's very true.
Now I'm switching gears just alittle bit I'm very curious
because your film did focusquite a bit on the American
cannabis experience butobviously you spoke to people
all over the world and werethere any international
perspectives that you found thatwere worth emulating in the US
or yeah just differentapproaches.

SPEAKER_03 (50:12):
Yeah we still don't have uh we still don't have
lounges though yet so I'm youknow that that's coming um we're
gonna uh we did have one guythat uh we interviewed uh uh in
San Diego uh who was a doctor uhscientist I shouldn't was
helping formulate uh and and getthe most out of out of the

(50:32):
plants and he said he's going toCanada because he can't study it
here in universities in Americaso easily so he was gonna go to
Canada so it was a brain draingoing to Canada right after you
guys legalized uh cannabis so wesaw that happening that's
interesting um yeah was therewas there anything else because
I'm personally kind of I don'thave experience with them myself
but I'm curious about like theschool clubs that you see in

(50:55):
other parts of Europe so thatwe're yeah that was pretty cool
you know we didn't interview allthe guys there but they had the
but they had is a the cannabislounge and the um uh dispensary
all in one but they would thelounges would have like a lot of
games a lot of people came tosocialize and then they'd go in
the back buy a little productcome bring break back and some

(51:19):
of them they had dab rigs youcould borrow you know where's
the set where's is uh there'sone here in San Diego called
Sessions Bay first cannabislounge opens San Diego area only
because on indigenous land let'ssay yeah but but they it's here
and they have a dispensarydownstairs and then different
lounge areas all around theplace you know um and then do

(51:41):
some entertainment and otherwisepeople just sit around and have
they get food from a restaurantdown below if people want to eat
and some of it's cannabisinspired and the drinks are
cannabis infused notnon-alcoholic you know it's like
like one guy said yeah you canyou you what do you go in you go
in a dispensary or you go into alounge you know everybody's

(52:02):
chill and everybody gets alongand you get you can have
discussions and arguments but noone gets in a fight whereas you
go into a regular bar people arefighting all the time you know
and and stuff so it's very verychill so of all the you know I I
like the ones in South Africawere kind of the coolest uh I I
I found uh because they were youknow like they weren't trying to
like okay you got to rent thisbong or just dab rig or whatever

(52:25):
I remember trying dab first timein our emo cup and six and I'm
like oh my god this patty too inthe next year it's like wow this
stuff is super why would anybodydo that like twice to make them
into like one joint you knowit's like too too much.

SPEAKER_00 (52:38):
No I'm the same with you.
I find as I get older mytolerance also decreases so you
should be higher cheek date.

SPEAKER_02 (52:46):
Yeah well along the way well we visited Paris as
well and we were looking forsome kind of a cannabis
connection there it was not tobe found although when we were
wearing our hats we there werequite a few people who said how
much they liked our hats.
And well maybe we were theconnection but we weren't yeah

(53:06):
but I mean the the the people ofthe the world want and need it
and yet it's being stifled stillby oligarchs because they don't
want people to wake up yeah veryvery true I there is probably
something behind that becausethey don't want their people to

(53:26):
be too aware lest we cometogether and resist.

SPEAKER_03 (53:31):
So question authority right question
authority what yeah we saw whatjust happened with Jimmy Kimmel
when people a massive protestand now he's back on the air
after his little suspension andso that was freedom of the press

(53:52):
and uh the whole the whole thewhole thing is they same thing
with you know anything thatwakes people up like mushrooms
LSD uh yeah the the newer youknow ones people uh it's just
everything back in the day umyou know this was you when
you're awake you tend toquestion you know and and

(54:13):
protest if something bad ishappening whereas they keep you
asleep you'd be a nice complianthuman being that doesn't
question authority and they getyou to let the corporations ruin
our planet you know and exploitit and you know there's a lot of
people crossing borders becausethere's now eight billion people
for God's sake you guys there'seight billion plus people and

(54:36):
how can that not make an effectwhen you were born there was
probably two or three billionpeople that's it look how much
it and the first billion it tooktill 1864 or something like
that.
So it's just exponential nobodydon't you can't comprehend it so
therefore you don't see it andall you see is the after why are
all these people coming you knowinto Canada and America and all

(54:56):
they're trying to get offthey're trying to just be stay
alive the human species it'slike any other life form selfish
and by inheriting it has to eatfood means to if it has to fight
for the food because they don'thave enough or they have to go
somewhere and risk their livesto go to get the food they gotta
go.

SPEAKER_00 (55:15):
You know I mean that's just the way it is
there's just too many peoplenumber one yeah that's why we
didn't have kids part of thereason I should say right now I
have did either of you I don'tremember from the documentary
but did did either of you spendany time in Germany I guess
Germany legalized after the filmwas out but yeah because I'm
curious about their their growclubs that they have because
they don't have like a retailsystem at all at this point uh

(55:39):
even though they've been legalfor just over a year now and but
I am curious about their theirgrow clubs because I just feel
like it's such a natural way tobuild community around the plant
instead of it being supercommercialized and just
wondering if you had anyexperience with that.

SPEAKER_03 (55:52):
Well Amsterdam would be the closest um and we went
around other parts of Hollandtoo and uh you know did that
kind of stuff um so we we foundthat to be very interesting that
uh they had both the clubs butthen where you bought the pot
you had to it was had to beseparate you know like like you

(56:15):
can't and then you had to go buya pipe somewhere else you know
and I thought man that theseguys are like wow your pipe has
to be a big hit because thecheapest pipe you can buy next
door is like two euros and I'mlike yeah you can sell these for
half a third of that price oryou know or less but um yeah
it's and it was illegal to growthere it's illegal to grow there

(56:36):
so one of our uh intervieweessaid yeah so it's supposed to
magically appear at the backdoor of the dispensaries somehow
yeah yeah it's an odd littlething of their system over there
that I'm it's worked for a longtime but it's kind of it is odd.
Yeah this needs to be more likeGermany in that sense but then
uh like I've been to Germanyseveral times but not not uh

(56:58):
since they've legalized cannabisthat in Canada and a few other
countries we'd love to if we gotto do a series and we'd like to
do a lot more interviews and andand you know maybe come up and
see you and and get some peopleinterviewed up in your neck of
the woods and you know your yourluminaries up there cannabis
luminaries.

SPEAKER_00 (57:17):
So yeah yeah absolutely now just I want to be
mindful of your time becausewe've been talking for a little
bit but tell people can you tellpeople where they can find
Nectarball out there in theworld I will link to everything
in the show notes as well sothat they can find it pretty
easily hopefully some you guyscan take a look at the one
minute trailer at nectarball.comalso you can see a three minute

(57:38):
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SPEAKER_03 (57:57):
Real life love stories uh that's her Substack
uh newsletter again all this isfree it's just our way of
sharing with the world um waysto help the world be able to
play both with cannabis oneother thing I want I wanted to
ask about is you've referencedthis nectar ball collection a
few times how so you have fromwhat I understand a collection

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of buds from various stages ofyour career in cannabis how do
you preserve them not wellenough until I was I back in the
day when I first got my 1972little bud I was like I don't
know 14 or 13 and a half 14 anduh I put in the curad basket bag

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in a little lunch not even theydidn't even have seal nails in
it was just a little plasticlunch bag and uh that that got
kind of beat up pretty good.
I think I got a picture of it acouple pictures of it um you
know so like I think that mightbe well here it is this is that

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this is the Acapulca Gold from1972 if it'll focus again and so
not particularly good lookingthat's like the you know lids or
junk we used to get but therewas on a little package with
with um on a spear at the timeso uh I didn't I it's it's in
seal meals you know now it's youknow little seal and so that's

(59:23):
the Humboldt you know the blackAfghanistan hash plant from
1978.
All my greatest tips are fromthe 70s right late 70s and and
then early 80s I got some nicestuff then but uh people like
Robert Clark and othergeneticists were very interested
in it I had Robert Clark over atthe house I showed him the
collection and only a fewhandful of people have ever seen

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it and they they loved the umloved it and they wanted little
pieces of it for DNA extractionso that they could help figure
out the land race history andstuff the project they were in
but turns out that project fellapart and was not good.
People are trying to bad guysare trying to steal the DNA just
like the the woman at theEmerald Cup I went to at the

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history section said yeah shewas in charge of the Dakota seed
bank and people like Monsantowere sending spies to try and
see the steal the corn andsquash seed old genetics.
So the genetics on this is veryvery very um special I tried
giving the whole collection tothe Smithsonian at one time back
in the 80s but because it'sfederally illegal you know can't

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even ship it across state linesso I can't couldn't do that and
then put it in safety depositbox or whatever.
But so it it's not kept you knowlike it should be frozen
supposed but at this point it'sit's mummies the DNA is still
there still viable so people cando that if they want I don't
think the seeds are but maybe Ithought it would be interesting

(01:00:50):
to try and pop those seeds seewhat happens I've talked to Ed
Rosenthal thinks I can andthere's a couple people that
said that they popped some oldseeds from the early 70s even
maybe even 60s um but you know Idon't I I I I talked to a couple
people they say that and thattheir their collections of seeds
are worth hundreds of millionsbecause it's that rare right

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because those land races haven'tbeen polluted supposedly during
Operation Greensweep the thegovernment dumped a bunch of
hemp pollen over there andscrewed up the land races up in
Humboldt in the triangle.
I don't know if that's good ornot but but whatever you know uh
the land races now um aren't aspure as they used to now

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everything's crossedcontaminated with uh indica
stativa uh who knows what somehemp Rudella whatever um I'm
yeah most most stuff is hybridat this point these days but and
there's some advantages to thatbut it is nice you know well we
move the nice oh well but like Isaid Panama Red I had a little
Panama Red from 78 that Swamigoes man that was my favorite

(01:01:56):
because I used to laugh so hardon that so there's you know some
of that stuff's lost to the inin nowadays but um uh yeah you
know if they can resurrect itlike I say in the the movie The
Legend of 420 which I was in butI didn't show my face uh I
showed the collection there andand I said if it's maybe it's
like you know Jurassic Park andthey can resurrect the DNA and

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make these old land races comeback alive.
So I I know it's possible butwhether someone wants to spend
the money to do that or not.
So I'm willing to you knowanybody scientist wise that
wants a piece of this they arewelcome to it and you know free
of charge um you know help theworld be a better place with
cannabis in it again same thingwith our movies and if people

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want to go to nectarball.comit'll point them out otherwise
our Nectar Ball destroyedcannabis is on Amazon Prime uh
uh red coral and universe dotcom uh the cannabis and fighting
cancer with cannabis uh is on uhcitizengreen.tv uh binge uh tv

(01:03:05):
dot com is also a place you cansee a lot all our movies
including our mountain bikingones and and uh how to shows and
pretty much everything otherthan the short films everything
generally I have on iseverything also available on
Vimeo because that's where Iwatch the Nectar Ball
documentary.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:23):
Yeah that's if you go to nectarball.com uh we
charge 420 that helps us try andget some of our money back we'd
appreciate that or if you wantto buy the DVD it's 1888 for you
those of you out there that havea DVD player yeah you know what
the those these things aremaking a resurgence these days
things like DVD players and CDplayers vitals like pretty

(01:03:45):
popular I think people are justcan you believe it I've heard
about that yeah yeah yeah but Iwas just asking because not
everybody has Amazon Prime butyou can always just go on and
rent it for 420 which is prettyvery reasonable a lot less than
going to your movie theater andwatch it over on video
commercial free too that yes soso yeah so you know if you want

(01:04:07):
to help us out go tonectarball.com look under my
name here yeah um would reallyreally help it really it would
help out and uh we're gonna tryand come out with some more
merchandise here soon too likeuh hat here that was pretty
popular people love it becauseyou can got little sparkles in
there so it looks like crystalsbut the woman that makes those
it's kind of hard to get thosemade and it's not cheap

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especially to get a hemp hat.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:29):
So we're trying to figure out a way of doing that
otherwise it'd be like 50 bucksjust to make the hat but anyway
and then um one other thing thatI was going to mention is that
my latest focus has been onediting a full feature
documentary called NorthAmerican Journey and I've been

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implementing AI tools for thatincluding uh the creation of
music americana music and it'sin little segments so back in
1986 Mark and I when we wereyoung and cute took off on a
nationwide adventure up thecoast through Canada Alaska back

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through Canada again windingdown and around all the national
parks and uh we went the peak ofthe journey is Denali and also a
uh grizzly bear attack in theYukon so I have sent this off to

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a few film festivals and it'sone best feature in two of them
and it has been selected in twoothers so oh very cool something
there's a return the the AIhelps make that old VHS footage
because that's all we had inthose days VHS in 1986 camcorder
you know not wasn't even acamcorder was that they have a

(01:05:58):
backpack with a can the deck andthen the camera's small and we
went we backpacked with it youknow with the grizzly bears and
everything all around that'sterrifying the grizzly bears
yeah that was a do or dark anduh and Pat wrote all the lyrics
in the music and then the AIdoes the music I'm like wow this
is good stuff and then she alsoyou know does her lyrics and

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poems and then she you hear ustalking just like we did when
we're out there hey well look atthat let's go climb that or
let's go do this or look at thatwaterfall or you know and so
it's a pretty it's just twoinnocent 20 somethings having a
good time traveling NorthAmerica and then all the way
down to Key West Florida andback across back to San Diego.

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So 25,000 miles in nine monthstook we didn't just forget what
day or week it was or what wherewe were sometimes but we forgot
what year it was at one point.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:53):
What year is this yeah it takes vacation then it
takes you back to a time 1986when we met a lot of interesting
people not everybody had thesame political beliefs no but we
still got along and it showswhat's possible now you can
still enjoy the company of otherpeople whether you agree with

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them or not and eat share ameal.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:18):
Yeah and bite bite me yes I agree and you know what
I think that's a beautiful placeto end because one thing that
cannabis is wonderful is it doeshelp connect people but just
that reminder also that food canbring people together.
Doesn't matter if you havedifferent you know beliefs about
politics or whatever we canstill all get along so with that

(01:07:38):
I just want to thank you so muchfor your time today.
I really appreciate it andlisteners do check out Nectar
Ball their documentary and itsounds like you have a lot of
other fun projects coming up aswell so I'll link to all those
in the show notes.
And I just wanted to say thankyou once again for your time
today.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:53):
Well thank you to Nectar Ball is a great place but
also newunique.com so that'sanother great www thing but you
you did great Margaret thank youso much for having us on with
you it was a pleasure absolutelyfriends I hope you enjoyed that
conversation as much as Ienjoyed having it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:11):
I will of course link everything that we talked
about in the show notesincluding the link to where you
can check out the documentaryfor yourself.
As we mentioned in the show youcan support these artists with
only$4.20 by checking out thedocumentary on Vimeo and we need
more independent filmmaking likethis in the world.
Especially when it comes toadvocating for cannabis because

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there's still so much stigmasurrounding it to this day.
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