Content Warning: typically, we will do our best to keep language to a minimum, but this one we kept all the conversation as it happened. If this is something you’re sensitive to, please take care as necessary, but we would invite you to sit with it and listen if you’re open to it, as there’s much to learn from our discussion. You are loved.
Hold up - a podcast season on faith transitions and an opportunity to speak with a pastor who left his own church?
Ummm…where do we sign up?
This conversation was so fun…this was the first time either of us had conversed with Ryan, and we hope it’s not our last. Engaging, empathic, and entertaining, we were captivated from the get-go.
We hope you are too.
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