December 15, 2020 • 36 mins
This week Brandi, Lukas and Hanan discuss the Brandon Bernard execution, the death penalty, life in prison, and de-criminalizing marijuana.
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hey, everybody, welcome to black and white conversations. We had
a little time off because of COVID and we couldn't
sit on my couch and make fun of puppies and blunts,
but we are doing it remotely. I miss you guys terribly.
Lucas and Hanan, we miss you, miss you. But Hanana
sees a lot of people, so I am boycotting her.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hand. You shut the show down.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, I've seen the same people that I've seen throughout
throughout the pandemic.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
So it's my cousin and her kids, that's not you.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Your mom traveled in, your ex husband traveled in, then
he went to Vegas, then he came back. So maybe
you've seen just a few people, but who have they seen?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And then when I was gonna come over yesterday, I
saw your cousin park behind your garage, and who knows
where he's been or your nephew. I forget, But now
I take it another five days before I can see
my friend. I'm very lonely, Ann.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
We are all lonely. Thank God for this crazy dog.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Oh say, but I'm looking for to them alone time.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, you have had a lot of just entertaining people,
and it does get exhausting when you can't go out,
you can't leave your house and go to like a
restaurant or anything. So I mean, I get it. It's
a lot of work, but we need to we need
to have our happy hours again. So you need to
stay away from people.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
We can do it like bucking like we used to.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
That's true, that's true. I mean the COVID cases, the
COVID cases are, I mean, they're worse than they've ever been.
It's it's absolutely insane. I mean, Hanan, I cannot you
can you never want to believe it. Thirteen thousand new
cases in one day, one hundred and seventy seven people
(02:12):
died in one day.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
That I understand the stats.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
At the same time, I really, I really feel honestly
like I'm taking I'm taking the precautions that I feel
like good for my family and I We're safe and healthy.
So honestly, I would never put anyone in jeopardy. And
I'm careful. I don't invite people over or you know,
people who come over, they know what I'm doing, they
know where we are, and but.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You know where they've been. That's the question.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
They are like, I know, I know where my cousin is.
I know what's happening.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So it's just you know, I'm still gonna I'm taking
a past I know I miss you. It's a problem.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, I know, I'm going to now anyway.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So oh good. You know that I heard when we
get the COVID vaccine that you're not allowed to drink
for two weeks prior and then in between the shots
because you have to get two shots, you're not supposed
to have any alcohol either. So I'm yeah, I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Oh is it any body type of vaccine?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Hot?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So you can't drink any body schain?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, well they said it's they just want your immune
system as healthy as possible, and alcohol suppresses your immune system,
as does weed.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Oh yeah, what do they do? When do they do
that research? However? I mean, I don't know. If I've
going to take the vaccine.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I'd probably my kids up only have to take it
because they have to go to school. Yeah, Otherwise if
they didn't have to take it, I don't know that
I would vaccinate them.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I feel like I'm really glad they're doing it in
Europe first, so we can find out what all the
side effects are. That sounds really mean, but I don't care.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, because even generally that's nations. I'm not really for
them unless I have to, unless they have to get
them in school. But other than that, I don't really
do flu vaccinations. I don't do anything that I don't
have to do.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Right in my mind.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Well, you guys are celebrities, so you you'll have the
plug one where to get the clean vaccine from?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Right, what you're.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Talking about, Lucas.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
You we all know this selection. Look at Magic Johnson.
I believe it alone.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
All right, all right, I'll leave that out of them.
Let's talk about Brandon Bernard.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Branded.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Yes, you know, I'm a little shamed because I didn't
know as much as I should have known.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
But this they yeah, well so apparently so Kim Karashian West,
as we know, she's like doing, you know, helping the
prison reform and all of that, and she was hoping
to help this guy get off of death row. But
I was so I was reading about it. So the
Sky was involved in a kidnapping, and he kidnapped, you know,
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these two people, and one of the people involved in
the kidnapping was the shooter. He wasn't actually the shooter.
He didn't kill them, but then he put their bodies
in the trunk and set the car on fire. And
during the trial, he and the shooter were sent sentence
to death where everyone else was just sentenced to long
prison terms. And they said that he showed no remorse.
(05:23):
And recently Kim got involved and she was hoping to
get him off of death row. And I don't know
what are your feelings on capital punishment and this situation.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So, I mean, I think that to talk about it
in that context, like he was eighteen when this happened,
he actually was imprisoned longer than he actually was alive.
And there's so many issues with the death penalty anyway
that it's like, to look at the Brandon Bernard's situation,
you have to really look at the justice system. Yeah,
(05:58):
I mean, did he deserve to die? Mistake that he
made at eighteen? And if that is the case and
hel come again, justice is not distributed equally, you know,
And that's the issue.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
What about reform?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
What about all the good that he's done since person
he was helping prisoners, What about the fact that he
did make amends? He did he did there's all these
different things that.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Happened, and young, young family, right, he had he had
a daughter I read. I don't know how. I just
personally don't. I don't believe in the electric chair at all.
I grew up not really believing in capital punishment, but
I do think that if you know, the punishment has
to fit the crime. I just don't know. I mean,
(06:41):
lethal injections probably the nicest way to go. I think
it's painless, but I just you have to believe that
some of these people can reform. But on the other hand,
you know, the family that lost these two people, they're there.
They wanted justice.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
They Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
But even let's say that the prosecutor in that case
was finding to overturn the sentence he was advocated for
in his life, some of the jurors said it wasn't right.
So people who actually made the decision twenty eight two
years ago, when we're saying this should have happened, so obviously,
if they're advocating for this man's like to be staid,
there is something seriously wrong with it.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, I can't believe that they just went ahead with
it without with that, with all of the publicity that
it's getting and I mean I wasn't even aware of
it until, you know, I read it on TMZ and
then I started looking it up, and I feel horrible
for you know, I just feel horrible for his family.
I feel horrible for the victim's family, and I understand
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them wanting justice, but he's not the person that pulled
the trigger. He was involved in this kidnapping when he
was a teenager. Oh, it's just it's heartbreaking. And you know,
does that mean that when people are in prison and
that they you know, they can't change. Is that what
we're saying.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
No.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
The crazy part about it to me is it's the hypocrisy.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I mean, either either we don't kill the that's on
that killed.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Was the reason I thought we were we were putting
people on death row in the first place.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
We were putting people in jail because it's not right
to kill. But somehow, I don't know how they twisted
it to make it okay to kill. I mean, I
just don't understand that. I just don't. I don't think
we should kill.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Certain states have certain states have the death penalty. I
don't know it is California one of them, I don't know.
Probably yeah, I don't. I don't know where I stand.
Like I want to put myself in the other in
the victims family's footstep or you know, in their in
their minds and say, you know what, you took these
people away from me and they lost their lives, so
(08:57):
you should do yours. But then you're eighteen, and who
doesn't make mistakes when you're eighteen.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
The other piece was that there was now evidence found
that he actually might not have been responsible for Stacy's death.
Stacy was the name of the victim.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, no, they said that he wasn't the shooter.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
He was wasn't He wasn't the shooter. But they said
at the top they said he wasn't a shooter.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
But the fact that he lit the fire and he
lived the far and initially thought that she died of
smoking and she got a smoke inhalation, but that's not true.
The new evidence of that she was medically did at
the time of the gunshot, which means that Brandon's actions
did not kill her, which means that he wasn't a murderer,
which means that he should have had the death penalty.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yeah, we should all all of that, all of it
is wrong. But at the same.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Time that when once you have the death penalty involved,
there's no chance for rehabilitation, there's no chance to correct
a mistake, there's no chance to make him.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
But then also, our prisons are are way overcrowded. We
you know, we're just going to put people in jail
forever and for the rest of our lives a moral
you know, the taxpayers are paying for it. And I
don't like what we can't I don't know, I don't know.
I don't I don't think anyone should deserves to die.
(10:12):
I feel like I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Guys like it's our country.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I mean, let's keep you real. Obama had a chance
to save it's got to I know so. And it
wasn't like they weren't petitioning Obama. They petition I can't
remember the girl's name, she was the female. Both attorney
generals and the Department of Justice denied it. I mean,
this is this is the United States of America. I mean, red, white,
(10:38):
and blue. To a certain extent, you got to gang
bang this color.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I mean, you don't get to live this life we
get to live over here and not and be so
proud of them being.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Such a part of it. I mean, it's crazy.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
You know, this country almost this week trying to overturn
our election.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I mean, on an experiment that we started six hundred
years ago.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
We we we've been killing people and convincing people for
years that this is their route to.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Go about and I don't know, they were killing and
Trump is rushing it.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But Obama did the same thing.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
So what happens in this country when we had the
most rational president in the history probably a president still rationalized,
you know, killing people.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
And I think that part of it is that, you know,
this country is about being pro life.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
How are you pro life when you're killing people, right?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I mean, like we're pro choice, We're well, we're pro choice.
I don't know. I mean, I'm pro choice, like.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Pro life, prolofly, you shouldn't kill anything.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Abortions, you know, yeah, yeah, I'm definitely. I've had an abortion,
so I'm pro chure too.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Lucas I went to you, I don't know why women
assume men don't go through it too. I mean, nobody
wanted to have the abortions, but at the time, it's
like the best idea.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Of course, I was seventeen, and it was like there
was a complete accident. There was no way I was
ready to have a child, you know, not at all.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
But now, you know, I think before it all have
each old. So you have to sit back and say, oh,
but I'm just trying to light it up a little bit.
I was getting he.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Was getting heavy, heavy, and well, like, yeah, I guess
it is heavy. We're talking about life and death, you
know heavy.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I mean, well, I can tell you from a life experience.
And when I was come on, dog, that's well, I'm
gonna go to the bathroom. So when that was in
like the ninth grade, I had a cut. You know,
in the South, you have so many custins you don't
even know about.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You got to pret it no sorry.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
And she was a cheerleader at a college in my
local town and at a local college she got kidnapped,
killed and they the dude stuck her legs into a
center block and threw into the river. So I remember
(13:20):
where they called the guy everything, and it was a
big thing in North Carolina at the time. And I
remember I've never heard my parents talk about he should
be killed and or so that I think that's why
it was laid in the early in life, that just
because somebody killed somebody, I mean you kill them, because
you know, in North Carolina they were ready to string
(13:41):
him up, but my parents were against it. And it's
lasted with me now. I remember that what made me
feel like I feel, I experienced it. She didn't feel
like we should kill this guy. So it seemed natural
to me because I learned it at such an early age,
right that you just thought, But I guess you get
older and everybody's more sophisticated thinking.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, I mean, I think we are like. You know,
my mom doesn't believe in the death penalty. She's been
very against it my whole life. My dad is the
opposite of my mom, and he's like, if you kill,
you should be killed. And I mean we are like,
I think it's more divided. I just this person didn't
didn't kill anyone, and he was eighteen, and I just
(14:20):
I can't believe they went through with it with all
of the media attention. I can't. I just image shocked
that they didn't look at this more closely and they
just just killed him.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Well, I mean, I think he's one of like not
in the last month and a half or something. I
think they want I think Trump wants the attention. I
don't understand some people. This hit makes people feel good.
It really makes certain Americans feel good to know that
dad was carried out.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I don't maybe somebody, what do you, I don't understand that.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
I have no empathy for a person who wants to
feel good about so I being killed.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
No, I felt bad for the family. They definitely they
said that this is what should have happened. But we
can't put ourselves in their shoes. I mean, imagine if
something happened to one of our kids, sNaN, what would you.
I mean, if somebody, but God forbid, somebody, you know,
one of our kids' lives were taken, I would want
that person dead. Sorry, I mean, I'm serious. I believe
(15:26):
you believe I would actually probably kill that person myself.
Like that's how, Yes, snap that fucker's neck because you
have to put yourself in their shoes.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And it was a grizzly crime, but there's a punishment
fit the crime. And then again back to launch issue.
He was a tenth death row inmate of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, there was not.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So that's what I'm saying, Like, let's so that and
that that wasn't especially grizzly and violent murder if you
read all the all the details of the report. At
the same time, though, like, at what point, like we
talk about reform and rehabilitation, second chances and being pro life, right,
where do those Christian values and morals really kick in
or are they just for sill? Because if God is
(16:09):
the ultimate judge, then then who are we to kill
another man for his crimes?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I mean, listen, I don't know. That's why I think that. Obviously,
I think it's great that we're all starting this conversation,
but I mean, don't don't we vote on it in
each state.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Let's see, California has a death penalty. Let's see. I
don't think so, I know, I know while Governor was
tweeting against it last night, oh really.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, he said it was immoral and it should be abolished,
like he did. Governor of Newson has very strong opinions
against the death penalty. He said, again it's based on
the rich and the guilty can get away with it,
and if you're poor, people.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Don't have a chance and it goes back to the
like the cash bail thing, and I mean it's all connected.
It's all we want reform, but then we're killing people, right, some.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Of those wrote reform. I mean, it's just this thing.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
It is legal in California, but government knew. Some in
twenty nineteen had moratorium against executions.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Oh that's good. Yeah, I mean yeah, I don't know.
I'm on the fence about everything. I just I definitely
don't believe in the electric chair. I think that is
cruel and unusual punishment, regardless of the crime. I just
I don't know, I think that's whole. I mean, I'm
shocked that they still have that.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Well, right now, there are seven hundred prisoners in down
the round in California.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Right, that's a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, so so what so we keep them in prison
forever and wat as the taxpayers we are, you know,
we're paying for them to eat and for them to live.
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
That's not exactly true because a lot of a lot
of federal prisoners are also providing free labor in different
areas for the state. So, for example, the fires in
northern California, where a lot a lot of the volunteer
firefighters were actually made with the correctional systems.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Yeah, they don't get paid for that. Well they shouldn't
pay Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
What I'm saying they paid for that.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I want defense about that, because what happens.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Is you are paid pennies on the dollar for doing
for risking your life, and you kind of you kind
of have to. There are a lot of what they
call it is modern bay slavery. At this point, you're
forced to do this work without any payment, and you're
actually like literally fighting fires really has a situation. You're
you're not allowed to get paid and you can't get out.
You don't even it doesn't really.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
So there there are some but it's.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Getting I mean, before we get away from the firefighter,
You're right, Brady, a lot of people felt like they
shouldn't get paid, okay, because you're in jail.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
However, the problem really was when.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
These guys got out of jail, they couldn't qualify for
the same work they were doing while they were in jail.
Fighting fires just recently changed. That just recently changed. I mean,
we got fire season after fire season. These texts were
fighting fires, you know, learning the skill set, but when
they came out of jail, they couldn't they couldn't go
(19:11):
right back to the area and the plot.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
For a job.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Well, that's the that's the that's the hard thing. Like you,
it's so difficult for these once you know, the reforms
happened and they get out of jail, no one wants
to hire them. And then they go back to crime
because they have to take care of their families. And
I mean a lot of the time that's what happens.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Well, I mean that goes back to systemic private prisons.
When you got one prison in the middle of some
country town in northern California that everybody works in the prison,
you got to have somebody coming into these.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Prison talk about san clon all of.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Them, all state prisons, all these prisons in the state
of California, across the country.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
A prop meeting.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
People are trying to make a profit with these people. So,
I mean, well, judges have been caught like just you know,
sending people to the prison. It's a prison meal. So
California is guilty of it too. But that anytime you
can come out of jail for years. And he said, well,
there in jail, they can't work so.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Far as you know.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, no, I mean it's all fucked up. I mean
the whole, the whole, the whole system of everything is
fucked up. But we all allowed it to get here.
I mean, hopefully now with you know, we have somebody
new coming in to lead our country, we can we
can look at this a lot closer.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But well, you know, the election is over.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Yeah, you know, this little facade many of us Democrats
had to play, you know, just to make sure we
you know, it's not like I'm voted.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
For Biden, but.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
I voted against Trump, that's all. I didn't vote for Biden.
You know, I'm very sickles I mean, I had to
pray on this every night.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Listen. It's a lester of two evils like that's I mean,
we didn't really have a choice. And really, well, maybe God.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Works in this serious way.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Maybe he saw this was the only way to get
a woman into the presidency.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I mean, she's the first woman, and she's by racial right.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
She's a woman.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I know, the role to die.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
What would happen if a woman was president? What I know,
I'm down from the experiment. What would happen?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Oh my god?
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I mean it's an African American male.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It can't get any worse than a white male.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
I mean, I mean, they inherently just use us to death,
just keep everybody scared. Maybe a woman could come in
and calm me, write the fuck down and like yeah,
put a fucking mask on, and you know.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, I mean, I mean we're still we're still, we're
still in like the old white what do you call it,
like the white man still.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, I mean there's a man I sit in my mam.
I was like, yeah, at least we got it. At
least we're we got it back to the racism I
was raised though.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
That is you see now what it says like, at
least been back to the old races that we were
raised though on the time we were raised though, yeah,
versus you don't.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Know, right, yeah, and then I will talk look at
his yes, diversely old.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
No, but they're way too old, these people. I don't
understand why we have, Like I think you should not
be able to be a president if you're over seventy.
It's like, I'm sorry, and I don't think you should
drive either. Sorry, Mom, I.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
Mean it's just I would go back to you know,
let's let's keep it real. I'm not gonna sit here
and yeah, Biden's not good for Biden's good for keeping
that seventy six million people who who for Trump from
from Rod. I mean, he's that's been his goal.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
I mean I'm old enough to remember when Obama announced
Bid as his vice president and we're going like, why
By is to make the good old boys feel cupabled
that they have somebody.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Watching his brother during this country? And that's how it
was at the time. Biden was nobody's hero. I was like, well,
By is never going to have a primary, you know,
he's always been the Democrats. Who's more.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I think this is like a good way to go
into the black lives because I have to talk about,
you know, the Black lives matter. Right now, I feel
like it's in a holding pattern. But I do think
that Biden. Did you see the cabinet and it was
all females that he picked, all diverse backgrounds, and so
I feel like there is change coming. But I don't
(23:35):
you feel like it's at a standstill right now.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Well, I think people have to realize that the government
is a really slow moving ship. Like picture those huge
ships on the sea. They can't turn start the dime.
So it's we have a way before we're going to
really see progress. And so with that, it's like it's
I don't know what people are expecting, but when Biden
heads office, like things aren't going to just switch just
like that. It's it's going to take the whole for
(23:59):
you years to really see any kind of real shifts
in the politics and the things that are wrong, because
we're to hold.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Right now, like we we have to get out of
this hole for you know, our economy, for every like
he's got a big job ahead of him. I just
I just don't want to see this movement that it
really did. It was, it's like the biggest movement for
Black lives matter. I don't want to see it at
a standstill. I feel like we still need to be
(24:30):
talking about it, and I don't hear people talking about
it right now because COVID is kind of taken over.
Trump has taken over with you know, not accepting the election,
and I'm not seeing people, you know, I'm not honking
on Ventura anymore. Like I just don't want this. I
don't want COVID to lose our momentum with with changing
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the systemic racism that we've always had.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I don't know, I kind of do see that happening,
just because there's so much fear right now in the
media that's all was talking about numbers of this, numbers
of that. So I do see that happening because it's
just I mean, unemployment right people are back at home,
not working. There's so much going on right now that
it is the Black Lives Matter is taking the backseat
right now because the whole country is and sort of
(25:20):
shut down again and just literally counting the death tolls.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
How where is always a party?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
So it's part and it's alost Christmas. So I'm just
saying I wish I don't. I don't feel like the
government can really tell you like who to have in
your house, and so it's sort of like.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, they can't. Are we are we shooting? Are we
we are life? Oh?
Speaker 5 (25:47):
You're in the government that.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Kills met in my house.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
The government told my ass because I was sitting around
moving marijuana around the country, that I had to sit
in the jail for twenty two months.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I had no choice about that. So when you have
to follow rules, you have to follow rules. There's no
in between. That's the problem we got. I mean some people.
I mean, I mean it's for people like me who've.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Been locked down, told you lost their freedom.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I know, how important to how pressures freedom.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Did you get?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
However, you're in jail.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Two. When did you have a job.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Oh shit, I worked in attention, which because I had
a dollars degree, they are touching me and you're not.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
However, I was saying, like you big.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
About eighteen cent nineteen cent.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Enough to have like maybe like twenty dollars in USD
at commons here maybe and you worked. I'm talking about
you worked, like you get up at five o'clock in
the morning to.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Eat breakfast and go straight and work till and you work.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
And they got real things in there, Like I was
at one place where they were making furniture.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I was at everywhere you went. They were making stuff.
And then they sell us stuff like a ball of
hot sauce that cost you four dollars. I got a
twenty dollars budget. I mean, it was crazy.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Honey buns would be you know, four to three dollars,
it was, And then it.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Created an underground thing in jail. We were selling story.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I mean, it's like a trade system like yeah, stamps,
because I know we all know that.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
You know, I was on the tail end of cigarettes,
which now I think when I was in federal that
was like two thousand and one and two.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You can still smoke cigarettes. You couldn't smoke cigarettes at
the on state level. At the federal level you could.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
But they were I mean they were taking it out,
they were taking weights out. This is not somewhere you rehabilitate.
This is somewhere we hold you, and you worth fifty
thousand dollars.
Speaker 10 (27:40):
Yeah wow, Yeah, each a federal prisoner is every that
was ten years ago.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
So with inflation, we're probably spending every bit of eighty
five thousand dollars ninety thousand dollars a year on each
federal prisoner from from all those camps all the way up.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
To the wedge call.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
It's a big money I mean, but let me try
to go get along for ninety thousand dollars right now.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
The tail No, we can't trust you.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I don't think anyone's going on right now, Like I
don't know, like it's our economy is fuck you Ryan,
I'm I'm doing the mic is literally right next to
my face.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I thought that was my handphons.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, yeah, I'm holding it right, can you hear?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
So?
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Let me take it over there.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I love this format. A real blot. I don't even
know what Okay, well, I don't remember you're recording that.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
What I just said?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
You were understanding the fence.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, I mean, but I'm just started to realize that
right now. What I would you know? It was tough
to go to somewhere and someone say they closed the
door every day.
Speaker 11 (29:16):
You had to.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Rationalize why am I, why is this happening to him?
Or why am I even allowing this happen.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Why don't I just grab somebody the next time they
come to my door and escape?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Then I have to sit back. So I had a
good upbringing. Jail was good for me because.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
I had a proper upbringing, So I can understand what
was happening to me.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
That said, if you broke the rules with it, do.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
You ever feel like it was just marijuana? Like and
it's legal now and you should be I would be.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
So I the part that always really bothers me about
the whole thing, And it's been twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
That's another thing.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Somebody shouldn't the government shouldn't do something to you that
just fucks with your hair for the rest of your life.
I am somewhat institutionalized, like they say, but it's not
it is It's just something that happens to a person
who put them.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
In a cake. It's just not it's just something happens
to you. So for me, it was possible. I think
Jill is the best thing get So.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Lucas, let's let's take a break for a second.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
But when we get that, let's talk about what those
marijuana laws look like, how they text you.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Because, as you guys know, and the next twelve.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Monthly, oh my god, they are all the marijuana laws
and they are making big.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Changes in the industry.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Sore, all right, So we're going to take a break
and then we're going to talk about getting high. Okay,
we are back, and I think that Lucas and now
know more about this subject. I don't know why. I
(30:48):
know a little bit about weed, but let's talk about
the marijuana laws.
Speaker 10 (30:54):
Well, one of the dopest things that's happening in the
country right now is that, for the first time in
this few since it was maybe llegal in in the
early thirties, Congress pass an Act meaning the House of
Representatives passing act that basically.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
In federal prohibition to marijuana. Yeah, it still gets the
States of sovereign right over whether they want to prohibit cannabis.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
It opens up obviously, it opens up banking to cannabis,
which is super important because.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Because right now it's a cash system and.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
We want to open where we can only keep it
transparent and know who's involved.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
And as long as this is not being you know,
watched properly, we don't want.
Speaker 12 (31:39):
The same people who got us where we are today involved.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
But however, it's going to be a mass movement of people.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, because I heard that like people that are in
jail for marijuana, for possession of marijuana, that they're still
going to be like forced to carry out their sentence
because at the time it was illegal, and I just
think that's stupid.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Well that's not necessarily true. So what the what the also,
what the what the legislation does?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
It decriminalizes marijuana, which has been in California for a while,
but in all the states, and then it's gonna expund
non violent marijuana related convictions.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Oh it is so so yeah, the key word is
non violent.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Good.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
So, but it valid means like, for example, it gets
kind of weird. It's not just well it's good though.
I mean it's not just like you got called it marijuana.
He had a gun in the car, that would be
considered violent, but or or why would.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
That be violent if just because you had concealed rop in?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I mean, a gun is a little gun is a violin.
Possession of allegal firearm is.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
A viol crime. Right if you don't use to, why
not have a legal one? And like if you're if
you're carrying drugs around, you got to protect yourself. I
don't know, I watched too many movies.
Speaker 11 (33:05):
Yeah, it's just that's but for I believe in the
cannabis is business is two thousand and three begions and work.
And but you got to remember all those early years,
I had to go past the coke guy, had had
to go past the heroin guy and all the people
that they attracted to the box, the box, the block
to find a we guy.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
All we really need is safe access in this country.
Speaker 11 (33:28):
Just get cannabis away from all the other stuff that
includes the pharmacy other piece.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
That's the other piece they're actually so there's a list
of drugs of the call Control substances. Now it's off
that list. So it was classified when heroin method all
the other drugs, it was conchedule one exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
So now it's not on that list anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
What did that happen?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
That happened in November, and actually that happened that happened
the last two weeks.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Last week, I Believember no No Cannabis is still Schedule one.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
It says that they moved it from the Control Something's
Act as part of the new legislation.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
See the thing about it is scheduled.
Speaker 11 (34:06):
The scheduling is done by the DEA, which is just
an administrative agency in the United States.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
The College creates a law. The Schedule one is just
something that is like a it's actually believed or not.
It's just an office memo. How what we are respect
it like it's the blood law, because.
Speaker 12 (34:23):
Look, how stupid is it. It says marijuana has no
medicinal value. That's what the scheduled drug is me. It
has no medicinal value and it has no UH and
it has a high chance for abuse. However, cocaine is
scheduled too because eye doctors still using as some.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Eye doctors use cocaine.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Yes and they that's really what cocaine really stayed around
in the game for so long because that's how I doctors.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Did a lot of I know a few doctors that
use it just recreation.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You only.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Just saying just stay awake and stay alert. I mean,
it's just true. Sorry, you know who you are. Friends.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I love you still, but I just want to say why,
I just I just understand what they still do it.
Somebody told me they still smell cross rocks. Like why.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
It was just such a man got them just drop boo.
All right, guys, I think we're gonna wrap this up.
But I missed you guys so much. I missed your face,
and I miss smelling the weed on Lucas and I
I just miss you guys, little puppy. All right, Well,
(35:52):
hopefully this was interesting for some people. I found it interesting,
and I think we have a lot more to talk
about next time, and hopefully and month after Biden takes office,
we can see some some I gues you said, slow change,
but some change.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Right, three more weeks to the new year.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
So all right, Well, I miss you guys, and I
love you guys, and I'll talk to you soon. Maybe
we'll do a balcony toast tonight, Hannan.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
I'm not drinking to I don't want to do all right, maybe.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Though, no, definitely, yeah for sure. All right. I love
you guys, signing off.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Bye bye Yah
Hey, everybody, welcome to black and white conversations. We had
a little time off because of COVID and we couldn't
sit on my couch and make fun of puppies and blunts,
but we are doing it remotely. I miss you guys terribly.
Lucas and Hanan, we miss you, miss you. But Hanana
sees a lot of people, so I am boycotting her.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hand. You shut the show down.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, I've seen the same people that I've seen throughout
throughout the pandemic.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
So it's my cousin and her kids, that's not you.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Your mom traveled in, your ex husband traveled in, then
he went to Vegas, then he came back. So maybe
you've seen just a few people, but who have they seen?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And then when I was gonna come over yesterday, I
saw your cousin park behind your garage, and who knows
where he's been or your nephew. I forget, But now
I take it another five days before I can see
my friend. I'm very lonely, Ann.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
We are all lonely. Thank God for this crazy dog.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Oh say, but I'm looking for to them alone time.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, you have had a lot of just entertaining people,
and it does get exhausting when you can't go out,
you can't leave your house and go to like a
restaurant or anything. So I mean, I get it. It's
a lot of work, but we need to we need
to have our happy hours again. So you need to
stay away from people.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
We can do it like bucking like we used to.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
That's true, that's true. I mean the COVID cases, the
COVID cases are, I mean, they're worse than they've ever been.
It's it's absolutely insane. I mean, Hanan, I cannot you
can you never want to believe it. Thirteen thousand new
cases in one day, one hundred and seventy seven people
(02:12):
died in one day.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
That I understand the stats.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
At the same time, I really, I really feel honestly
like I'm taking I'm taking the precautions that I feel
like good for my family and I We're safe and healthy.
So honestly, I would never put anyone in jeopardy. And
I'm careful. I don't invite people over or you know,
people who come over, they know what I'm doing, they
know where we are, and but.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You know where they've been. That's the question.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
They are like, I know, I know where my cousin is.
I know what's happening.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So it's just you know, I'm still gonna I'm taking
a past I know I miss you. It's a problem.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, I know, I'm going to now anyway.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So oh good. You know that I heard when we
get the COVID vaccine that you're not allowed to drink
for two weeks prior and then in between the shots
because you have to get two shots, you're not supposed
to have any alcohol either. So I'm yeah, I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Oh is it any body type of vaccine?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Hot?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So you can't drink any body schain?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, well they said it's they just want your immune
system as healthy as possible, and alcohol suppresses your immune system,
as does weed.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Oh yeah, what do they do? When do they do
that research? However? I mean, I don't know. If I've
going to take the vaccine.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I'd probably my kids up only have to take it
because they have to go to school. Yeah, Otherwise if
they didn't have to take it, I don't know that
I would vaccinate them.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I feel like I'm really glad they're doing it in
Europe first, so we can find out what all the
side effects are. That sounds really mean, but I don't care.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, because even generally that's nations. I'm not really for
them unless I have to, unless they have to get
them in school. But other than that, I don't really
do flu vaccinations. I don't do anything that I don't
have to do.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Right in my mind.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Well, you guys are celebrities, so you you'll have the
plug one where to get the clean vaccine from?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Right, what you're.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Talking about, Lucas.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
You we all know this selection. Look at Magic Johnson.
I believe it alone.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
All right, all right, I'll leave that out of them.
Let's talk about Brandon Bernard.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Branded.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Yes, you know, I'm a little shamed because I didn't
know as much as I should have known.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
But this they yeah, well so apparently so Kim Karashian West,
as we know, she's like doing, you know, helping the
prison reform and all of that, and she was hoping
to help this guy get off of death row. But
I was so I was reading about it. So the
Sky was involved in a kidnapping, and he kidnapped, you know,
(04:58):
these two people, and one of the people involved in
the kidnapping was the shooter. He wasn't actually the shooter.
He didn't kill them, but then he put their bodies
in the trunk and set the car on fire. And
during the trial, he and the shooter were sent sentence
to death where everyone else was just sentenced to long
prison terms. And they said that he showed no remorse.
(05:23):
And recently Kim got involved and she was hoping to
get him off of death row. And I don't know
what are your feelings on capital punishment and this situation.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So, I mean, I think that to talk about it
in that context, like he was eighteen when this happened,
he actually was imprisoned longer than he actually was alive.
And there's so many issues with the death penalty anyway
that it's like, to look at the Brandon Bernard's situation,
you have to really look at the justice system. Yeah,
(05:58):
I mean, did he deserve to die? Mistake that he
made at eighteen? And if that is the case and
hel come again, justice is not distributed equally, you know,
And that's the issue.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
What about reform?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
What about all the good that he's done since person
he was helping prisoners, What about the fact that he
did make amends? He did he did there's all these
different things that.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Happened, and young, young family, right, he had he had
a daughter I read. I don't know how. I just
personally don't. I don't believe in the electric chair at all.
I grew up not really believing in capital punishment, but
I do think that if you know, the punishment has
to fit the crime. I just don't know. I mean,
(06:41):
lethal injections probably the nicest way to go. I think
it's painless, but I just you have to believe that
some of these people can reform. But on the other hand,
you know, the family that lost these two people, they're there.
They wanted justice.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
They Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
But even let's say that the prosecutor in that case
was finding to overturn the sentence he was advocated for
in his life, some of the jurors said it wasn't right.
So people who actually made the decision twenty eight two
years ago, when we're saying this should have happened, so obviously,
if they're advocating for this man's like to be staid,
there is something seriously wrong with it.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, I can't believe that they just went ahead with
it without with that, with all of the publicity that
it's getting and I mean I wasn't even aware of
it until, you know, I read it on TMZ and
then I started looking it up, and I feel horrible
for you know, I just feel horrible for his family.
I feel horrible for the victim's family, and I understand
(07:45):
them wanting justice, but he's not the person that pulled
the trigger. He was involved in this kidnapping when he
was a teenager. Oh, it's just it's heartbreaking. And you know,
does that mean that when people are in prison and
that they you know, they can't change. Is that what
we're saying.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
No.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
The crazy part about it to me is it's the hypocrisy.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I mean, either either we don't kill the that's on
that killed.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Was the reason I thought we were we were putting
people on death row in the first place.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
We were putting people in jail because it's not right
to kill. But somehow, I don't know how they twisted
it to make it okay to kill. I mean, I
just don't understand that. I just don't. I don't think
we should kill.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Certain states have certain states have the death penalty. I
don't know it is California one of them, I don't know.
Probably yeah, I don't. I don't know where I stand.
Like I want to put myself in the other in
the victims family's footstep or you know, in their in
their minds and say, you know what, you took these
people away from me and they lost their lives, so
(08:57):
you should do yours. But then you're eighteen, and who
doesn't make mistakes when you're eighteen.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
The other piece was that there was now evidence found
that he actually might not have been responsible for Stacy's death.
Stacy was the name of the victim.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, no, they said that he wasn't the shooter.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
He was wasn't He wasn't the shooter. But they said
at the top they said he wasn't a shooter.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
But the fact that he lit the fire and he
lived the far and initially thought that she died of
smoking and she got a smoke inhalation, but that's not true.
The new evidence of that she was medically did at
the time of the gunshot, which means that Brandon's actions
did not kill her, which means that he wasn't a murderer,
which means that he should have had the death penalty.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yeah, we should all all of that, all of it
is wrong. But at the same.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Time that when once you have the death penalty involved,
there's no chance for rehabilitation, there's no chance to correct
a mistake, there's no chance to make him.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
But then also, our prisons are are way overcrowded. We
you know, we're just going to put people in jail
forever and for the rest of our lives a moral
you know, the taxpayers are paying for it. And I
don't like what we can't I don't know, I don't know.
I don't I don't think anyone should deserves to die.
(10:12):
I feel like I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Guys like it's our country.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I mean, let's keep you real. Obama had a chance
to save it's got to I know so. And it
wasn't like they weren't petitioning Obama. They petition I can't
remember the girl's name, she was the female. Both attorney
generals and the Department of Justice denied it. I mean,
this is this is the United States of America. I mean, red, white,
(10:38):
and blue. To a certain extent, you got to gang
bang this color.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I mean, you don't get to live this life we
get to live over here and not and be so
proud of them being.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Such a part of it. I mean, it's crazy.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
You know, this country almost this week trying to overturn
our election.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I mean, on an experiment that we started six hundred
years ago.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
We we we've been killing people and convincing people for
years that this is their route to.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Go about and I don't know, they were killing and
Trump is rushing it.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But Obama did the same thing.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
So what happens in this country when we had the
most rational president in the history probably a president still rationalized,
you know, killing people.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
And I think that part of it is that, you know,
this country is about being pro life.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
How are you pro life when you're killing people, right?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I mean, like we're pro choice, We're well, we're pro choice.
I don't know. I mean, I'm pro choice, like.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Pro life, prolofly, you shouldn't kill anything.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Abortions, you know, yeah, yeah, I'm definitely. I've had an abortion,
so I'm pro chure too.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Lucas I went to you, I don't know why women
assume men don't go through it too. I mean, nobody
wanted to have the abortions, but at the time, it's
like the best idea.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Of course, I was seventeen, and it was like there
was a complete accident. There was no way I was
ready to have a child, you know, not at all.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
But now, you know, I think before it all have
each old. So you have to sit back and say, oh,
but I'm just trying to light it up a little bit.
I was getting he.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Was getting heavy, heavy, and well, like, yeah, I guess
it is heavy. We're talking about life and death, you
know heavy.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I mean, well, I can tell you from a life experience.
And when I was come on, dog, that's well, I'm
gonna go to the bathroom. So when that was in
like the ninth grade, I had a cut. You know,
in the South, you have so many custins you don't
even know about.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You got to pret it no sorry.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
And she was a cheerleader at a college in my
local town and at a local college she got kidnapped,
killed and they the dude stuck her legs into a
center block and threw into the river. So I remember
(13:20):
where they called the guy everything, and it was a
big thing in North Carolina at the time. And I
remember I've never heard my parents talk about he should
be killed and or so that I think that's why
it was laid in the early in life, that just
because somebody killed somebody, I mean you kill them, because
you know, in North Carolina they were ready to string
(13:41):
him up, but my parents were against it. And it's
lasted with me now. I remember that what made me
feel like I feel, I experienced it. She didn't feel
like we should kill this guy. So it seemed natural
to me because I learned it at such an early age,
right that you just thought, But I guess you get
older and everybody's more sophisticated thinking.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, I mean, I think we are like. You know,
my mom doesn't believe in the death penalty. She's been
very against it my whole life. My dad is the
opposite of my mom, and he's like, if you kill,
you should be killed. And I mean we are like,
I think it's more divided. I just this person didn't
didn't kill anyone, and he was eighteen, and I just
(14:20):
I can't believe they went through with it with all
of the media attention. I can't. I just image shocked
that they didn't look at this more closely and they
just just killed him.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Well, I mean, I think he's one of like not
in the last month and a half or something. I
think they want I think Trump wants the attention. I
don't understand some people. This hit makes people feel good.
It really makes certain Americans feel good to know that
dad was carried out.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I don't maybe somebody, what do you, I don't understand that.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
I have no empathy for a person who wants to
feel good about so I being killed.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
No, I felt bad for the family. They definitely they
said that this is what should have happened. But we
can't put ourselves in their shoes. I mean, imagine if
something happened to one of our kids, sNaN, what would you.
I mean, if somebody, but God forbid, somebody, you know,
one of our kids' lives were taken, I would want
that person dead. Sorry, I mean, I'm serious. I believe
(15:26):
you believe I would actually probably kill that person myself.
Like that's how, Yes, snap that fucker's neck because you
have to put yourself in their shoes.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And it was a grizzly crime, but there's a punishment
fit the crime. And then again back to launch issue.
He was a tenth death row inmate of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, there was not.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So that's what I'm saying, Like, let's so that and
that that wasn't especially grizzly and violent murder if you
read all the all the details of the report. At
the same time, though, like, at what point, like we
talk about reform and rehabilitation, second chances and being pro life, right,
where do those Christian values and morals really kick in
or are they just for sill? Because if God is
(16:09):
the ultimate judge, then then who are we to kill
another man for his crimes?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I mean, listen, I don't know. That's why I think that. Obviously,
I think it's great that we're all starting this conversation,
but I mean, don't don't we vote on it in
each state.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Let's see, California has a death penalty. Let's see. I
don't think so, I know, I know while Governor was
tweeting against it last night, oh really.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, he said it was immoral and it should be abolished,
like he did. Governor of Newson has very strong opinions
against the death penalty. He said, again it's based on
the rich and the guilty can get away with it,
and if you're poor, people.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Don't have a chance and it goes back to the
like the cash bail thing, and I mean it's all connected.
It's all we want reform, but then we're killing people, right, some.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Of those wrote reform. I mean, it's just this thing.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
It is legal in California, but government knew. Some in
twenty nineteen had moratorium against executions.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Oh that's good. Yeah, I mean yeah, I don't know.
I'm on the fence about everything. I just I definitely
don't believe in the electric chair. I think that is
cruel and unusual punishment, regardless of the crime. I just
I don't know, I think that's whole. I mean, I'm
shocked that they still have that.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Well, right now, there are seven hundred prisoners in down
the round in California.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Right, that's a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, so so what so we keep them in prison
forever and wat as the taxpayers we are, you know,
we're paying for them to eat and for them to live.
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
That's not exactly true because a lot of a lot
of federal prisoners are also providing free labor in different
areas for the state. So, for example, the fires in
northern California, where a lot a lot of the volunteer
firefighters were actually made with the correctional systems.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Yeah, they don't get paid for that. Well they shouldn't
pay Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
What I'm saying they paid for that.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I want defense about that, because what happens.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Is you are paid pennies on the dollar for doing
for risking your life, and you kind of you kind
of have to. There are a lot of what they
call it is modern bay slavery. At this point, you're
forced to do this work without any payment, and you're
actually like literally fighting fires really has a situation. You're
you're not allowed to get paid and you can't get out.
You don't even it doesn't really.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
So there there are some but it's.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Getting I mean, before we get away from the firefighter,
You're right, Brady, a lot of people felt like they
shouldn't get paid, okay, because you're in jail.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
However, the problem really was when.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
These guys got out of jail, they couldn't qualify for
the same work they were doing while they were in jail.
Fighting fires just recently changed. That just recently changed. I mean,
we got fire season after fire season. These texts were
fighting fires, you know, learning the skill set, but when
they came out of jail, they couldn't they couldn't go
(19:11):
right back to the area and the plot.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
For a job.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Well, that's the that's the that's the hard thing. Like you,
it's so difficult for these once you know, the reforms
happened and they get out of jail, no one wants
to hire them. And then they go back to crime
because they have to take care of their families. And
I mean a lot of the time that's what happens.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Well, I mean that goes back to systemic private prisons.
When you got one prison in the middle of some
country town in northern California that everybody works in the prison,
you got to have somebody coming into these.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Prison talk about san clon all of.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Them, all state prisons, all these prisons in the state
of California, across the country.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
A prop meeting.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
People are trying to make a profit with these people. So,
I mean, well, judges have been caught like just you know,
sending people to the prison. It's a prison meal. So
California is guilty of it too. But that anytime you
can come out of jail for years. And he said, well,
there in jail, they can't work so.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Far as you know.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, no, I mean it's all fucked up. I mean
the whole, the whole, the whole system of everything is
fucked up. But we all allowed it to get here.
I mean, hopefully now with you know, we have somebody
new coming in to lead our country, we can we
can look at this a lot closer.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But well, you know, the election is over.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Yeah, you know, this little facade many of us Democrats
had to play, you know, just to make sure we
you know, it's not like I'm voted.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
For Biden, but.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
I voted against Trump, that's all. I didn't vote for Biden.
You know, I'm very sickles I mean, I had to
pray on this every night.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Listen. It's a lester of two evils like that's I mean,
we didn't really have a choice. And really, well, maybe God.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Works in this serious way.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Maybe he saw this was the only way to get
a woman into the presidency.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I mean, she's the first woman, and she's by racial right.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
She's a woman.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I know, the role to die.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
What would happen if a woman was president? What I know,
I'm down from the experiment. What would happen?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Oh my god?
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I mean it's an African American male.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It can't get any worse than a white male.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
I mean, I mean, they inherently just use us to death,
just keep everybody scared. Maybe a woman could come in
and calm me, write the fuck down and like yeah,
put a fucking mask on, and you know.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, I mean, I mean we're still we're still, we're
still in like the old white what do you call it,
like the white man still.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, I mean there's a man I sit in my mam.
I was like, yeah, at least we got it. At
least we're we got it back to the racism I
was raised though.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
That is you see now what it says like, at
least been back to the old races that we were
raised though on the time we were raised though, yeah,
versus you don't.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Know, right, yeah, and then I will talk look at
his yes, diversely old.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
No, but they're way too old, these people. I don't
understand why we have, Like I think you should not
be able to be a president if you're over seventy.
It's like, I'm sorry, and I don't think you should
drive either. Sorry, Mom, I.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
Mean it's just I would go back to you know,
let's let's keep it real. I'm not gonna sit here
and yeah, Biden's not good for Biden's good for keeping
that seventy six million people who who for Trump from
from Rod. I mean, he's that's been his goal.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
I mean I'm old enough to remember when Obama announced
Bid as his vice president and we're going like, why
By is to make the good old boys feel cupabled
that they have somebody.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Watching his brother during this country? And that's how it
was at the time. Biden was nobody's hero. I was like, well,
By is never going to have a primary, you know,
he's always been the Democrats. Who's more.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I think this is like a good way to go
into the black lives because I have to talk about,
you know, the Black lives matter. Right now, I feel
like it's in a holding pattern. But I do think
that Biden. Did you see the cabinet and it was
all females that he picked, all diverse backgrounds, and so
I feel like there is change coming. But I don't
(23:35):
you feel like it's at a standstill right now.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Well, I think people have to realize that the government
is a really slow moving ship. Like picture those huge
ships on the sea. They can't turn start the dime.
So it's we have a way before we're going to
really see progress. And so with that, it's like it's
I don't know what people are expecting, but when Biden
heads office, like things aren't going to just switch just
like that. It's it's going to take the whole for
(23:59):
you years to really see any kind of real shifts
in the politics and the things that are wrong, because
we're to hold.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Right now, like we we have to get out of
this hole for you know, our economy, for every like
he's got a big job ahead of him. I just
I just don't want to see this movement that it
really did. It was, it's like the biggest movement for
Black lives matter. I don't want to see it at
a standstill. I feel like we still need to be
(24:30):
talking about it, and I don't hear people talking about
it right now because COVID is kind of taken over.
Trump has taken over with you know, not accepting the election,
and I'm not seeing people, you know, I'm not honking
on Ventura anymore. Like I just don't want this. I
don't want COVID to lose our momentum with with changing
(24:53):
the systemic racism that we've always had.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I don't know, I kind of do see that happening,
just because there's so much fear right now in the
media that's all was talking about numbers of this, numbers
of that. So I do see that happening because it's
just I mean, unemployment right people are back at home,
not working. There's so much going on right now that
it is the Black Lives Matter is taking the backseat
right now because the whole country is and sort of
(25:20):
shut down again and just literally counting the death tolls.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
How where is always a party?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
So it's part and it's alost Christmas. So I'm just
saying I wish I don't. I don't feel like the
government can really tell you like who to have in
your house, and so it's sort of like.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, they can't. Are we are we shooting? Are we
we are life? Oh?
Speaker 5 (25:47):
You're in the government that.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Kills met in my house.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
The government told my ass because I was sitting around
moving marijuana around the country, that I had to sit
in the jail for twenty two months.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I had no choice about that. So when you have
to follow rules, you have to follow rules. There's no
in between. That's the problem we got. I mean some people.
I mean, I mean it's for people like me who've.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Been locked down, told you lost their freedom.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I know, how important to how pressures freedom.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Did you get?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
However, you're in jail.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Two. When did you have a job.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Oh shit, I worked in attention, which because I had
a dollars degree, they are touching me and you're not.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
However, I was saying, like you big.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
About eighteen cent nineteen cent.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Enough to have like maybe like twenty dollars in USD
at commons here maybe and you worked. I'm talking about
you worked, like you get up at five o'clock in
the morning to.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Eat breakfast and go straight and work till and you work.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
And they got real things in there, Like I was
at one place where they were making furniture.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I was at everywhere you went. They were making stuff.
And then they sell us stuff like a ball of
hot sauce that cost you four dollars. I got a
twenty dollars budget. I mean, it was crazy.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Honey buns would be you know, four to three dollars,
it was, And then it.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Created an underground thing in jail. We were selling story.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I mean, it's like a trade system like yeah, stamps,
because I know we all know that.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
You know, I was on the tail end of cigarettes,
which now I think when I was in federal that
was like two thousand and one and two.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You can still smoke cigarettes. You couldn't smoke cigarettes at
the on state level. At the federal level you could.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
But they were I mean they were taking it out,
they were taking weights out. This is not somewhere you rehabilitate.
This is somewhere we hold you, and you worth fifty
thousand dollars.
Speaker 10 (27:40):
Yeah wow, Yeah, each a federal prisoner is every that
was ten years ago.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
So with inflation, we're probably spending every bit of eighty
five thousand dollars ninety thousand dollars a year on each
federal prisoner from from all those camps all the way up.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
To the wedge call.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
It's a big money I mean, but let me try
to go get along for ninety thousand dollars right now.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
The tail No, we can't trust you.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I don't think anyone's going on right now, Like I
don't know, like it's our economy is fuck you Ryan,
I'm I'm doing the mic is literally right next to
my face.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I thought that was my handphons.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, yeah, I'm holding it right, can you hear?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
So?
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Let me take it over there.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I love this format. A real blot. I don't even
know what Okay, well, I don't remember you're recording that.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
What I just said?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
You were understanding the fence.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, I mean, but I'm just started to realize that
right now. What I would you know? It was tough
to go to somewhere and someone say they closed the
door every day.
Speaker 11 (29:16):
You had to.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Rationalize why am I, why is this happening to him?
Or why am I even allowing this happen.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Why don't I just grab somebody the next time they
come to my door and escape?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Then I have to sit back. So I had a
good upbringing. Jail was good for me because.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
I had a proper upbringing, So I can understand what
was happening to me.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
That said, if you broke the rules with it, do.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
You ever feel like it was just marijuana? Like and
it's legal now and you should be I would be.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
So I the part that always really bothers me about
the whole thing, And it's been twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
That's another thing.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Somebody shouldn't the government shouldn't do something to you that
just fucks with your hair for the rest of your life.
I am somewhat institutionalized, like they say, but it's not
it is It's just something that happens to a person
who put them.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
In a cake. It's just not it's just something happens
to you. So for me, it was possible. I think
Jill is the best thing get So.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Lucas, let's let's take a break for a second.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
But when we get that, let's talk about what those
marijuana laws look like, how they text you.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Because, as you guys know, and the next twelve.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Monthly, oh my god, they are all the marijuana laws
and they are making big.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Changes in the industry.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Sore, all right, So we're going to take a break
and then we're going to talk about getting high. Okay,
we are back, and I think that Lucas and now
know more about this subject. I don't know why. I
(30:48):
know a little bit about weed, but let's talk about
the marijuana laws.
Speaker 10 (30:54):
Well, one of the dopest things that's happening in the
country right now is that, for the first time in
this few since it was maybe llegal in in the
early thirties, Congress pass an Act meaning the House of
Representatives passing act that basically.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
In federal prohibition to marijuana. Yeah, it still gets the
States of sovereign right over whether they want to prohibit cannabis.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
It opens up obviously, it opens up banking to cannabis,
which is super important because.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Because right now it's a cash system and.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
We want to open where we can only keep it
transparent and know who's involved.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
And as long as this is not being you know,
watched properly, we don't want.
Speaker 12 (31:39):
The same people who got us where we are today involved.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
But however, it's going to be a mass movement of people.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, because I heard that like people that are in
jail for marijuana, for possession of marijuana, that they're still
going to be like forced to carry out their sentence
because at the time it was illegal, and I just
think that's stupid.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Well that's not necessarily true. So what the what the also,
what the what the legislation does?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
It decriminalizes marijuana, which has been in California for a while,
but in all the states, and then it's gonna expund
non violent marijuana related convictions.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Oh it is so so yeah, the key word is
non violent.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Good.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
So, but it valid means like, for example, it gets
kind of weird. It's not just well it's good though.
I mean it's not just like you got called it marijuana.
He had a gun in the car, that would be
considered violent, but or or why would.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
That be violent if just because you had concealed rop in?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I mean, a gun is a little gun is a violin.
Possession of allegal firearm is.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
A viol crime. Right if you don't use to, why
not have a legal one? And like if you're if
you're carrying drugs around, you got to protect yourself. I
don't know, I watched too many movies.
Speaker 11 (33:05):
Yeah, it's just that's but for I believe in the
cannabis is business is two thousand and three begions and work.
And but you got to remember all those early years,
I had to go past the coke guy, had had
to go past the heroin guy and all the people
that they attracted to the box, the box, the block
to find a we guy.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
All we really need is safe access in this country.
Speaker 11 (33:28):
Just get cannabis away from all the other stuff that
includes the pharmacy other piece.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
That's the other piece they're actually so there's a list
of drugs of the call Control substances. Now it's off
that list. So it was classified when heroin method all
the other drugs, it was conchedule one exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
So now it's not on that list anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
What did that happen?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
That happened in November, and actually that happened that happened
the last two weeks.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Last week, I Believember no No Cannabis is still Schedule one.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
It says that they moved it from the Control Something's
Act as part of the new legislation.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
See the thing about it is scheduled.
Speaker 11 (34:06):
The scheduling is done by the DEA, which is just
an administrative agency in the United States.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
The College creates a law. The Schedule one is just
something that is like a it's actually believed or not.
It's just an office memo. How what we are respect
it like it's the blood law, because.
Speaker 12 (34:23):
Look, how stupid is it. It says marijuana has no
medicinal value. That's what the scheduled drug is me. It
has no medicinal value and it has no UH and
it has a high chance for abuse. However, cocaine is
scheduled too because eye doctors still using as some.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Eye doctors use cocaine.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Yes and they that's really what cocaine really stayed around
in the game for so long because that's how I doctors.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Did a lot of I know a few doctors that
use it just recreation.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You only.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Just saying just stay awake and stay alert. I mean,
it's just true. Sorry, you know who you are. Friends.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I love you still, but I just want to say why,
I just I just understand what they still do it.
Somebody told me they still smell cross rocks. Like why.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
It was just such a man got them just drop boo.
All right, guys, I think we're gonna wrap this up.
But I missed you guys so much. I missed your face,
and I miss smelling the weed on Lucas and I
I just miss you guys, little puppy. All right, Well,
(35:52):
hopefully this was interesting for some people. I found it interesting,
and I think we have a lot more to talk
about next time, and hopefully and month after Biden takes office,
we can see some some I gues you said, slow change,
but some change.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Right, three more weeks to the new year.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
So all right, Well, I miss you guys, and I
love you guys, and I'll talk to you soon. Maybe
we'll do a balcony toast tonight, Hannan.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
I'm not drinking to I don't want to do all right, maybe.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Though, no, definitely, yeah for sure. All right. I love
you guys, signing off.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Bye bye Yah
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