September 22, 2020 • 32 mins
Brandi, Lukas and Hanan discuss the Breonna Taylor settlement and personal interactions with the police.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And we're back. We're back.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We're one Mercedes short and we're back.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
We had a little hiatus and we're happy to be here.
Black and White conversations.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm Honah Lancasta, I'm Brandy Glanville, Lucas Lucas and Butters.
Butters had a little moment of anxiety yesterday. So he's
got his little thundercoat on.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
What does a thundercoat do.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It just makes them feel like they're getting a big
old hug constantly and just they're little dogs, you know,
It just kind of calms It's an anxiety jacket. I
need one of those fuckers, just wrap me up.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Said today, we're going to.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Be talking a lot about Brionna Taylor, about her settlement,
about what they did with the the officers. Was it right.
We have a lot to talk about. Let's get into
this now.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So the settlement twelve.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Million, so well, let's yeah, well, let's get into I mean,
first of all, that was a short court case. I
mean that that was settled very quickly. For lawsuits go
on for years.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
But was it quickly concerned that this that this has
been going on for so long in the midst of
in the midst of nationwide rioting and protesting.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Quickly for her I'm saying her specific suit, because these
suits can be like dragged out for years and years
and years. I mean it was I mean, thank god
for her family that it was that quick. But sometimes
it's like, oh, it just it drags.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
But I think it's a not too ownership and I think,
I mean, accountability is still an issue here because the
police themselves have stolen been prosecuted. But I think that
the police force is saying there were mistakes made and
that is and that's why the settlement was so quick
quote unquote six months.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Six months. Yeah, we just saw we're just missing an
element that the actual civil case has been settled before
the criminal case has been.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But they put the officers on administrative leave, which to me,
that is not punishment. I mean it's like, okay, we're
just going to give you a time out.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
And you're still getting paid and you still have your pension.
And that's a huge thing for police force to have
your pension because that takes care of you years after
years retired from the force.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Then we have the cover up because the officer who
had a picture taken I can't remember exactly, but it
was a picture taken like within the timeframe of the incident,
and he had a camera on him.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Oh, he had a body camp.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
He had a body camp.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
And they said they didn't have body cams and and
that's why there was no video.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
So I haven't heard the answer for that one yet.
It was up with the body camp.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Also, they said that the boyfriend didn't actually shoot the copy.
They think the boyfriend said he didn't shoot the cop.
It was a bullet from another police officer, which makes sense.
Which makes sense, right, So they're they're trying to make
this guy out to be a bad guy for protecting
him his home, which any of us would do anyone
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anyone comes into my house, especially if they're not dressed
like cops, like in the middle of the in the
middle if I had a gun, which I don't, I
have knives, I will kill you.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
These police are are guilty of some other crimes, like
actually firing a firearm into an establishment. There's no police
training that teaches them to shoot into windows. So actually
the cops, some of the cops jumped outside the apartment
and basically start shooting through the patio door.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
And that was against all trading you never just shoot
into a building.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
So that's all sorts of cover up happening here, cover.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Up that it's not really sophisticated.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
And uh, and these guys are real slow with their
information that I don't think they realized they're being watched.
If you watch Fox News all day, you would never
know that that the police are being watched. From a
reform standpoint, that we were looking at better ways of
handling things. The guys who wrapped the guy with the head,
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he was he needed help.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
We wrapped the guy's head. You heard the guy was
in the parking lot up in Wisconsin. Got brother called
the police, and my brother's having a fit in the walmart.
Oh oh yeah, they shot and the police shot him.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I haven't heard about that? Is this recent?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, yeah, this is We don't watch news.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I don't watch the news.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
It's the argument for reform, meaning let's take some of
that money.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Have health professionals be the first responders as opposed to police.
They're just not prepared to be the first responder.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So I have a few thoughts on this. So Louis
of Kentucky has spent up with forty five million dollars
and police lawsuits over the past few years, and this
includes wrongful death.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
The settlements h they paid out.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
This is public publicly disclosed settlements. So I think we
have to be careful because there are also settlements that
are happening under cover that contudentiality exactly. So these are
settlements around wrongful convictions, police officers creating false evidence, wrongful death,
sexual harassment. There's a whole host of wrongdoings that the
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departments are currently paying to cover up. So that's why
the discussion around Okay, yes, a twelve million dollars settlement.
Of course your parents deserve some sort of compensation for
the injustice, But how much is the life worth, how
much is going how much of you're going to pay
people to go away? Exactly? And without changing the actual system. Fuck?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I mean, I just feel like, I mean, there's so
many things about this situation that are correct, and a
lot of those cops that were involved in these lawsuits
are still police officers. That's the biggest part that I
don't get. If you are you know, they get oh
you know, what did they get the warnings or they
have like, you know, three complaints before one complaint and
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it should be investigated and then you either have your
job or you don't have your job, Like you can't
have four warning or four complaints of exactly you know.
I just don't understand why these cops are given so
many chances.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
And information shows that excessive force leads to murder. Cops
who have a history of excessive force and violence are
the same ones who are eventually the ones who have
killed some money. And when you pull up their records,
you can see the history. So once you see, like
you said, one example of excessive force, let's nip it
in the bug.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Right, You're done. You're you're no longer you know, on
the police force. And why this is what I always
thought about this, like why don't we train our officers
to shoot, not shoot to kill? Shoot them in the
arm or shoot him in the hand or the leg.
Why are we shooting them in the heads in the chest?
Like why are we doing that? I don't I don't
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understand that mentality you want that guy down, shoot him leg?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
There is a disrespect for human life. We can talk
about it further black life, like there's no respect for
black life? Which is that which is the impetus between
Black Lives Matter movement that there was respect for black
lives and so many of the victims of police really
wouldn't that be black?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Well, when you when you when you look at it
from why do they shoot not shoot him in the
arm or why do they shoot him? I can less
I guess dangerous areas. The problem is that only using
guns with one demographic of people, you got God, you
got certain other demographs where the guns never pulled. You
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have retreat, you have professionals called in I think just recently,
uh it was it was filmed to how that the
police know how to use restraint, they know how to wait,
they know how to give a situation time to calm down.
However they choose not to. The will is there. It's
just too much evidence that they've been trained properly. It's
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just the will to expend the same amount of respect
for every demographic equally.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
It's that's that there. It is.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
If you don't have the will tow you're just going
to try to check, you, sir, every demographic equally. Then
there's the answer that you shouldn't be doing this police job.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And the other thing is the cops do know they're
being watched, like they know there's there's body cams. They
know there's cams in the current. They know everyone has
a cell phone. You just got your Carstal, and and
you have a video of it. Like there's cameras every
all the doorbell cameras, Like we we're all being watched
at all times. Like everyone's being watched. So the blatant
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disregard for the fact that they just think they're above
the law is it's just mind boggling. And like you said,
I was looking at police reform, what are we doing
about it? They're not really doing anything.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
About it exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
There's no there's no big plan underway, you know. And
I'm just I was trying to figure I was I
was googling, I was looking, and I'm like, well, what
what are they doing about it? Because they're not doing
anything about it.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
It's side of the top.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But this is the time where the time under a microscope.
We need to make the change happen. So we can't
we can't stop having these conversations right just because you know,
we're afraid of COVID or we're afraid you know, you
know one, you know, Breonna's family got twelve million dollars.
It's not over. That's just the beginning, and we have
to keep the conversation going.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yes, And it keeps coming back to what about the cops.
When do we charged the cops that killed Breonna Taylor?
And as I was going through research to look and
look at the settlements, none of the cops really charged
except for the cop who killed Justine Russia, who was
in Minnesota and was a wrongful death, and that cop
was black. So I hate to like pull, I hate
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to keep looking at the racial side of this, but
it's very interesting that of all the wrongful deaths and
the lawsuits and her family got twenty million dollars and
he got ten years. He is one of the few
cops ever charged and found guilty for our wrongful death.
She was a white woman. And so now he is
he is appealing the charge. And I'm not saying that
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he should get off. What I'm saying is, let's figure
it out why he is the one person out of
all of the people, all the people who got charged.
I think George, George Floyd, we demanded it. We were
not gonna we there was no way that that was
gonna That's that was the beginning of the change. But
we have to keep demanding it because it's like I
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feel like the conversations are I'm not seeing it on
TV anymore. I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
But let's talk about George Floyds, because if we if
we really look back, Eric Garner was killed in the
same manner, in the same respect, he was paid five
point nine million until he's paid five point nine million
for his wrongful death.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Those cops were not charged, and so now history repeats
itself a few years later. We don't know if those
cops will be charged. We don't know what that some's
gonna look like. But what we do now, so now
what we what has happened is choke holds are now barred.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
What is it called?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
It is this? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
That's one of the reforms that have been passed. So
that's you know, But can we go back.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
We have it on camera, we can go back and
see who those cops were. Why don't we try? I mean,
I don't know the statues of them.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Take the limited immunity, which says that they can't be
held liable for.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
For what they do in a line of their job
by being a policeman.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I can't be trying to hold this man down and
he dies, and you can sue me because I was
just being a policeman at the time.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
But you and wrongful death are two different things. When
you hold somebody down to the point where their dad
and they're telling you I can't breathe, Yeah, yeah, I
mean I get it. Like, you know, if I'm doing
my job correctly and something happens, then that's a different issue.
But I'm using excessive force right if I'm outside of
the bounds, if I'm using a no knock warrant in
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the middle of the night, Like, at what point do
we because right.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Now they think they're above blah law because of that exactly,
they can.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
We're all about roar. I mean, I mean the kid,
the kid who shot into the police car in Compton,
he thought he was above the law. Oh you know
the two Compton.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Policemen who were sitting at the two Compton police officers
were at the Metro. I guess it's the blue line
in Compton and a suspect ran up to the car.
They had it a video, a shot into the car
and one of the officers was just released yesterday. They
were fighting for their lives, yes four or five days
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and then things get all out of Oh, I mean
there's one hundred there's a humongous of reward.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, I saw that Lebron James. The sheriff was calling
yesterday for Lebron to because he offered a reward for
another person that he's like, you know somebody that was
he offered one hundred thousand dollars rewards. So the sheriff
was like, yeah, I'm calling on Lebron James to match
the reward for my officers. And I mean, I think
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that's a little First of all, you can't.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I mean the sheriff, he the sheriff of Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Yeah, he is, just it's just he's just shriffes across
the country have traditionally are voted in, so they have
this extreme power that they just do not like question
the sheriff's power, and you know he's That whole thing
with Lebron was a jab.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I think it was a job, absolutely sure. And I
think that piece of it is that the perception is
that black people are okay with people who kill cops.
That is not true.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
But that's what he made them and and that's exactly
it was like halizing, like and Lebron was trying to
do something good, right exactly, and you know they the
sheriff is like, you know, we're we're demonizing the police force,
like we're all like all police are bad. No, We're
we're actually making them finally pay for what, you know,
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these horrible wrongdoings that they've been doing and getting away
with for years. We're finally calling them on their ship
and saying we're not going to take it anymore. And
if Lebron wants to offer someone one hundred thousand dollars
to figure out who killed someone, you know, that's up
to him.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Like that's this has been.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Happening to his people for the longest time, and it's
his right. It doesn't like you to make Lebron look
like a bad guy because he doesn't want to.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I was just very turned off by the sheriff.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
He's such a bad guy. It's just like, yeah, he's
just a bad guy. He's just like, it's just taking
law enforcement and he just mixes in politics every day
every day, make it political. And then with the politics media.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And it's political because he said the sheriff was voted
in the attorney generals voted in the DA's voted, voted in.
So what do we have to do? People vote, vote,
to vote, mail in your ballots. We have to vote.
It will come back down to use zero voice where acounts,
where it matters. We have to vote. Yeah, I mean elections.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Elections count way more in the national there will never
be the Democratic candidate will always get California.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, the change has to start, you know with that's like, yeah,
very for it to change in the bigger way, we
need we need get you know, the smaller local elections.
We need to get to people we want in there
so then we can finally like take it to the
next I don't think right now, I was going to
say something really profound, but it just went away.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
You're always profound.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I think we'll take a break so I can have
some green juice, brain juice.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
All right, we'll be right back. Well, maybe turn we'll
talk about our experiences with the police force, the good,
the bad, the ugly.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So we're going to each share some experiences that we've
had with the police force. And I've had quite a few.
I've had good, bad, and ugly. Who wants to start,
because you've.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Been it's probably the police call me where we were
still looking for the car. I think, okay with with
with the.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
That to my car. I saw that.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
The police made me feel like it was really beneath
them to go out and look for the car.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
That's beneath our value. And I don't see them for
any other value. I mean, but that's their job.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
They made me feel like, Yo, don't you realize we
have a lot more to worry about then you're stolen
two thousand and two car.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
And I was like, no, I don't want to hear
that you have more. I mean, what can be more important? Okay, yeah,
that's way more important.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
That day at that moment, like this is like turn
the lights on and just like start pulling over every car.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
The massive description, massive description the car, massive description of
what was.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Stolen, and we want to make sure it's not the
stolen car.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I want something, but we still love you.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
So my house was broken into a couple of years ago,
right before Christmas that we had four houses on the
block that were broken into. There had been a lot
of construction going on, so it was like people, you know,
different people in and out all the time doing construction
because it's not always the same workers. So we just
because it was a really it's a really nice area.
It was a really you know, safe street. I left,
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I came home and my house was They said it
was like a smash and grab kind of thing because
they just tore my whole room apart, and they took
all my jewelry, my cardier watch, all my lou Euton luggage.
Like I will I always say I would never have
Louviaton luggage again. But my ex boyfriend bobsem I will
not buy it personally, just because it just says steal me,
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steal me, steal That's what I think. But the cops
were just so they they it took them almost two
days to come over when I called and they said, oh,
the guys will come out to take the fingerprints in
a few days, so try not to touch anything. Like
my bedroom is ripped apart, their shit everywhere, drawers are open,
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the like clothes everywhere. I'm like, I need to clean
it up, and why is it going to take a
few days?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
And that was it. Like I after that, I didn't
hear back from them. I kept checking in with them
like I was. I personally was calling poone shops. I
felt like they were there just to give me that
piece of paper. They're like, Okay, this is what your
insurance company is going to need. Here you go. And
I'm like, but if four houses are being broken into,
what if someone was home when someone got hurt? Like
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you need to look into this, And I just felt
like it was beneath them.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
They didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
They were there to give me a piece of paper
to have the report.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
The most shocking thing was when I realized the car
was stolen and I called nine one one know what answered?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It went from is that an actual emergency?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
No? This is what.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Stop looking at me?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I mean no, it wasn't. Yes, it was my car
is gone. Someone come help me.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Please just call a regular police attack were.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
But nobody knew he wasn't having That's true.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
You had all these numbers, Like if you didn't have
a pian of paper, how would you take advantage of
all this information? Like call this number if this is
going wrong, you call this number if this is going wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I'm like, something I can remember, But would you.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Call name one one for a car story?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I would call now on one they broke it? This
one broke to my house. That's definitely not sure. Yeah,
my car is stolen. I mean because it's not it's
not it's not it's not immediate threat. It's just you know,
you do you it help? So I could I could
see that.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I'm just shocked. I was put a whole and no
one ever answered.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Did they ask if your life wasn't danger usually ask
you the recording, are you in a safe place or.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
No, it was just due to COVID or something, or
due to reform. They had the whole spill. For me,
I was like, they're letting people realize that if we
went with these reforms now one one won't work. And
we never got through that. I mean, I really never
got through that that morning on now one one.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
They never did.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Really that's nuts, because I mean that is insane.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Gualo where I didn't want to call because I was like, Jesus,
somebody could really need this, and I'm sitting here.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Down the street.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I was like, oh my god. I mean, I couldn't
believe it.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I was like, that is crazy, though, Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
That's been my light latest interaction with the police. I
can get through it to a dispatcher.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
That is that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
So I would good experiences Okay, But before I start, though,
I do want to say that I think that the
central issue that comes back to police reform is being
a part of community and police in the community. So
that's sort of been my experience is because we've talked
about have used the Angel guidance to sort of intentionally
put the boys in front of police officers so they
can establish relationship and for both parties, so that the
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boys cannot be afraid of cops, and so the cops
can see like black children aren't threats and that they
really So it's sort of a two sided exercise. And
so I've been down to the station over here several times.
They have a book center for children actually where children
can get free books they can sit down and read.
I've had officers talk to the kids about making good
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choices about different things. I've actually went with a friend
of mine. She had a situation she required police systems.
They helped her, talked about her issues. You know. So
the times I've engaged, they've been helpful, they've been supportive.
It has been an emergency, but I had they have
really gone above and beyond in that they've taken the
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time to speak to my children. You know, cammingly with
joking me and making each other. They weren't afraid they
were ahead.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Did you have a low cut dress on?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I mean, because.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
You're a very attractive woman. And I think that sometimes
cops will be a little like sometimes if I'm driving
and like I not saying I'm a tracktor, I'm saying,
my plan is to pull my hair up and put
it in it like like a top one. I don't
want to be like cute in my car to give
them a reason just to talk to me and pull
me over. And that sounds weird, I know, but I
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take my earrings.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Off, my hair up.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I don't want to get pulled over like I just
it sounds bizarre. But they do sometimes do that. And
maybe they're nicer to you because of you're aesthetic and
hopefully not and.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I don't know, because I love that that. I mean,
it does play into help you perceive you. So if
you if you see me and I'm a certain way
right and I talk like this and I have this,
you know, people do. I mean, they're for sure social, acadomic, stereotyped,
you know, and there's all these different things that go
into that. So yeah, so, yeah, we can't wait.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
There's no way to know for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
But I think that people, I mean, we're not I
think in our show we're not characterizing police as bad.
But what we are saying is that do better. Someone
emergency helped them if we if we are calling for service,
we do expect and require a certain not just any service,
but a level of service. But I am happy to
say that I have received services from the police force
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that both gave myself and my children great experience.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Time we can go to the police station, that's a whin. Yeah,
our own will go there.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I'm not going to beat up on that that there
should be more followed through on the smaller, you know,
on the smaller end, because what if you know, yeah,
my house got broken into, but what if somebody was
telling me, you know, what if they use your car
for you know, a crime now and yeah, exactly what
if something happens. I just feel like every everything counts,
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Like I just feel like just giving me a piece
of paper and having a report of it, there's more
to what their job entails. Yeah, you know, there's there's
crime out there, but you know, we're not having murders
happen like every day all day that if they have
the time, they should try to follow through with the
little things. I mean that is their job. Or get
like you know how they have Barbie and Skipper. They
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need to get like Skipper cops and the Barbarie cops
can do like the you know, they have people that
do the lower level stuf. You I'm trying to think,
you know what I mean, like the bo Yeah, well
definitely literally you know, like get get cops said, don't
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that aren't you know they have detectives and they have
like lower level like they need to like they need breaking.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
They really need all hands on deck at that. Really
it's it's all hands on deck cadets. Everyone needs to
be involved in engaging and being a part of the community.
At this point, like we are at a crisis level
and the perception of cops in our community is not good.
So yes, I've had my good experiences, but to one
out of three is not It doesn't not good odds.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
So we got to call the truth on you know,
the whole world on drugs and that they all just
come to us stop and relationships back together, yes, and
just get you know, let.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
The people out of prison that are in prison for pot.
So I know that sounds crazy, but but no, like
we have overcrowded jails. And I just thought about this
because I looked at Lucas and then I think about pot.
But another's non violent pot.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, yeah, I think everybody. I just don't think jail
is a place for non violent people. It's just that
the whole concept of jail makes you violence.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I mean, put someone into one little room cod and
we all talk about, oh, this feels like jail.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
No it's not jail. No, there's nowhere closed to jail.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
But you can understand that how frustrating and unproductive a
jail cell.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Must really be. Yeah, I mean if you don't know,
if you didn't know before, you know, But I.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Mean we're overcrowded, and they you know, pot is legal
now in a lot of the states, and it's.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
That's the rub. Pot is legal. All of these mainly
young black offenders are still how their records impacted because
of because of pot, and now millions of people are
making money off of it.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
It's like these people and we should be at home
and you know, edibles, having edibles and you know, working,
you know, instead of they can sit.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
In the living room and watch their kids go through school.
They maybe work with their ged or their kids in
the school too. There's going to be things you can
rehab now.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Right, exactly a COVID way than just locking someone up
for a non violent crime.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Especially when we'spend like fifty thousand dollars a year per prisoner.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I mean, imagine if you made a person stay at home,
you put fifty thousand dollars into a bank account. They
have to sit there and watch their kids go to
school all day, make sure everything's all straight.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
We're gonna so terrible d.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
D non violence of vendors dying with COVID in jail.
We can bring them home confinement.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
But don't give them fifty grand make them go and
get a job.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And like we've almost spend that regardless, but we're.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Not going to give them fifty thousand dollars as a
present for being doing something that's not good.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Well, not being able to leave is kind of like
the prison. I mean that's not good either. Freedom is
a crazy thing, and to lose it, it's really a
thin line between being free and not being free.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
This is true.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I mean, just mentally being locked into a room saying
you can't leave. You don't even need change is anymore
because you're just locked in here.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I can't leave. That's still a punishment.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
But I think that's the piece of the non violent offenders.
And then how but police are treating everyone as potentially violent,
right and like we said, it's it's there's a whole
people just in the park smoking weed. Now you've gotten
arrested and potentially shot.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
You stole a car and then you get shot in
the back because you're running from the police. Like you
stole a car, you know, like that doesn't require like
you shouldn't be killed because you stole a car.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Like there has to be some sort of scale on
how we're addressing these these people, the incidents, how the
police are responding. Everything is being handled right now with
an iron fist everything.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
But Lori Laughlin.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
White care paid again to college? Like can you just
pay to get a college? I'm like, that's actually not
how it's supposed to go. Yeah, we're watching a Netflix
movie about it's called Candy Jar and it's about getting
into like these and I was like, you're not supposed
to you you're not like, you're not supposed to pay.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
It's been going on for years and years.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
If you have the right influence, the right reach the right, you.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Get paid it. You can pay to stay to graduate.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
You can pay that. People do you your papers for you.
I mean I don't want them to do that.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Can pay to have your test taken for you. I
wish that's true.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I didn't go to college.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
That's all I have to say.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I was too cheap.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
We want to keep the money.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I want to keep the money.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Do some homeschooling.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Home.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
You think I'm crazy a little bit, but it's a
good crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It's gonna take crazy to get crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Well, I also think we have to. So now it
looks like we're putting just dollars on human lives, and
then we're calling it settlements and we're trying to make
it go away. That's not going to work either.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
So now what So I don't know. Is it one
person win vote or one dollar one vote. You know,
the dollars seem to win the overall the votes. So
everything's about money.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It is, actually it is about money.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
I didn't want it that way, but if we're going
to have find solution, it's going to be money based.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Okay, I think we're done.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
It's all about the money, and we're saying vote. Learn
about your local elections. Yes, your DA's, your attorney generals,
your prosecutors, all the people in charge of making informs
and changing the system. Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
You should with a local voting list.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Who supporting I was looking the other day, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Can were you think we all agree on the door
the same?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Well, you know what they say, if they've been in,
if they have been a position for more than five years,
vote them out, because that's part of the problem at
this point. If you look at the canon and they've
been there for several times, vote them out because they
are who they are.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I won't have many people be left if we did that,
just started with we're thinking there longer than five years,
how will we left?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
That's what we can do. Next time we have our conversations, Well,
we'll just for our local elections. We'll get and and
we'll get a little longer than five years, and.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
We'll see what they track my credits because we can
you can literally look and see how are they, how
are they operating, who are they putting in? What's their
history and their record on imprisoning minors and police violence,
et cetera, so we can see what our local officials
politics fun.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
All right, make sure you keep the conversation going.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
People have a good one and at rest. We want
the tailor's killers.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yep.
And we're back. We're back.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We're one Mercedes short and we're back.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
We had a little hiatus and we're happy to be here.
Black and White conversations.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm Honah Lancasta, I'm Brandy Glanville, Lucas Lucas and Butters.
Butters had a little moment of anxiety yesterday. So he's
got his little thundercoat on.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
What does a thundercoat do.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It just makes them feel like they're getting a big
old hug constantly and just they're little dogs, you know,
It just kind of calms It's an anxiety jacket. I
need one of those fuckers, just wrap me up.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Said today, we're going to.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Be talking a lot about Brionna Taylor, about her settlement,
about what they did with the the officers. Was it right.
We have a lot to talk about. Let's get into
this now.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So the settlement twelve.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Million, so well, let's yeah, well, let's get into I mean,
first of all, that was a short court case. I
mean that that was settled very quickly. For lawsuits go
on for years.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
But was it quickly concerned that this that this has
been going on for so long in the midst of
in the midst of nationwide rioting and protesting.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Quickly for her I'm saying her specific suit, because these
suits can be like dragged out for years and years
and years. I mean it was I mean, thank god
for her family that it was that quick. But sometimes
it's like, oh, it just it drags.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
But I think it's a not too ownership and I think,
I mean, accountability is still an issue here because the
police themselves have stolen been prosecuted. But I think that
the police force is saying there were mistakes made and
that is and that's why the settlement was so quick
quote unquote six months.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Six months. Yeah, we just saw we're just missing an
element that the actual civil case has been settled before
the criminal case has been.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But they put the officers on administrative leave, which to me,
that is not punishment. I mean it's like, okay, we're
just going to give you a time out.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
And you're still getting paid and you still have your pension.
And that's a huge thing for police force to have
your pension because that takes care of you years after
years retired from the force.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Then we have the cover up because the officer who
had a picture taken I can't remember exactly, but it
was a picture taken like within the timeframe of the incident,
and he had a camera on him.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Oh, he had a body camp.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
He had a body camp.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
And they said they didn't have body cams and and
that's why there was no video.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
So I haven't heard the answer for that one yet.
It was up with the body camp.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Also, they said that the boyfriend didn't actually shoot the copy.
They think the boyfriend said he didn't shoot the cop.
It was a bullet from another police officer, which makes sense.
Which makes sense, right, So they're they're trying to make
this guy out to be a bad guy for protecting
him his home, which any of us would do anyone
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anyone comes into my house, especially if they're not dressed
like cops, like in the middle of the in the
middle if I had a gun, which I don't, I
have knives, I will kill you.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
These police are are guilty of some other crimes, like
actually firing a firearm into an establishment. There's no police
training that teaches them to shoot into windows. So actually
the cops, some of the cops jumped outside the apartment
and basically start shooting through the patio door.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
And that was against all trading you never just shoot
into a building.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
So that's all sorts of cover up happening here, cover.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Up that it's not really sophisticated.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
And uh, and these guys are real slow with their
information that I don't think they realized they're being watched.
If you watch Fox News all day, you would never
know that that the police are being watched. From a
reform standpoint, that we were looking at better ways of
handling things. The guys who wrapped the guy with the head,
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he was he needed help.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
We wrapped the guy's head. You heard the guy was
in the parking lot up in Wisconsin. Got brother called
the police, and my brother's having a fit in the walmart.
Oh oh yeah, they shot and the police shot him.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I haven't heard about that? Is this recent?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, yeah, this is We don't watch news.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I don't watch the news.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
It's the argument for reform, meaning let's take some of
that money.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Have health professionals be the first responders as opposed to police.
They're just not prepared to be the first responder.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So I have a few thoughts on this. So Louis
of Kentucky has spent up with forty five million dollars
and police lawsuits over the past few years, and this
includes wrongful death.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
The settlements h they paid out.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
This is public publicly disclosed settlements. So I think we
have to be careful because there are also settlements that
are happening under cover that contudentiality exactly. So these are
settlements around wrongful convictions, police officers creating false evidence, wrongful death,
sexual harassment. There's a whole host of wrongdoings that the
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departments are currently paying to cover up. So that's why
the discussion around Okay, yes, a twelve million dollars settlement.
Of course your parents deserve some sort of compensation for
the injustice, But how much is the life worth, how
much is going how much of you're going to pay
people to go away? Exactly? And without changing the actual system. Fuck?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I mean, I just feel like, I mean, there's so
many things about this situation that are correct, and a
lot of those cops that were involved in these lawsuits
are still police officers. That's the biggest part that I
don't get. If you are you know, they get oh
you know, what did they get the warnings or they
have like, you know, three complaints before one complaint and
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it should be investigated and then you either have your
job or you don't have your job, Like you can't
have four warning or four complaints of exactly you know.
I just don't understand why these cops are given so
many chances.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
And information shows that excessive force leads to murder. Cops
who have a history of excessive force and violence are
the same ones who are eventually the ones who have
killed some money. And when you pull up their records,
you can see the history. So once you see, like
you said, one example of excessive force, let's nip it
in the bug.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Right, You're done. You're you're no longer you know, on
the police force. And why this is what I always
thought about this, like why don't we train our officers
to shoot, not shoot to kill? Shoot them in the
arm or shoot him in the hand or the leg.
Why are we shooting them in the heads in the chest?
Like why are we doing that? I don't I don't
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understand that mentality you want that guy down, shoot him leg?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
There is a disrespect for human life. We can talk
about it further black life, like there's no respect for
black life? Which is that which is the impetus between
Black Lives Matter movement that there was respect for black
lives and so many of the victims of police really
wouldn't that be black?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Well, when you when you when you look at it
from why do they shoot not shoot him in the
arm or why do they shoot him? I can less
I guess dangerous areas. The problem is that only using
guns with one demographic of people, you got God, you
got certain other demographs where the guns never pulled. You
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have retreat, you have professionals called in I think just recently,
uh it was it was filmed to how that the
police know how to use restraint, they know how to wait,
they know how to give a situation time to calm down.
However they choose not to. The will is there. It's
just too much evidence that they've been trained properly. It's
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just the will to expend the same amount of respect
for every demographic equally.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
It's that's that there. It is.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
If you don't have the will tow you're just going
to try to check, you, sir, every demographic equally. Then
there's the answer that you shouldn't be doing this police job.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And the other thing is the cops do know they're
being watched, like they know there's there's body cams. They
know there's cams in the current. They know everyone has
a cell phone. You just got your Carstal, and and
you have a video of it. Like there's cameras every
all the doorbell cameras, Like we we're all being watched
at all times. Like everyone's being watched. So the blatant
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disregard for the fact that they just think they're above
the law is it's just mind boggling. And like you said,
I was looking at police reform, what are we doing
about it? They're not really doing anything.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
About it exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
There's no there's no big plan underway, you know. And
I'm just I was trying to figure I was I
was googling, I was looking, and I'm like, well, what
what are they doing about it? Because they're not doing
anything about it.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
It's side of the top.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But this is the time where the time under a microscope.
We need to make the change happen. So we can't
we can't stop having these conversations right just because you know,
we're afraid of COVID or we're afraid you know, you
know one, you know, Breonna's family got twelve million dollars.
It's not over. That's just the beginning, and we have
to keep the conversation going.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yes, And it keeps coming back to what about the cops.
When do we charged the cops that killed Breonna Taylor?
And as I was going through research to look and
look at the settlements, none of the cops really charged
except for the cop who killed Justine Russia, who was
in Minnesota and was a wrongful death, and that cop
was black. So I hate to like pull, I hate
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to keep looking at the racial side of this, but
it's very interesting that of all the wrongful deaths and
the lawsuits and her family got twenty million dollars and
he got ten years. He is one of the few
cops ever charged and found guilty for our wrongful death.
She was a white woman. And so now he is
he is appealing the charge. And I'm not saying that
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he should get off. What I'm saying is, let's figure
it out why he is the one person out of
all of the people, all the people who got charged.
I think George, George Floyd, we demanded it. We were
not gonna we there was no way that that was
gonna That's that was the beginning of the change. But
we have to keep demanding it because it's like I
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feel like the conversations are I'm not seeing it on
TV anymore. I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
But let's talk about George Floyds, because if we if
we really look back, Eric Garner was killed in the
same manner, in the same respect, he was paid five
point nine million until he's paid five point nine million
for his wrongful death.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Those cops were not charged, and so now history repeats
itself a few years later. We don't know if those
cops will be charged. We don't know what that some's
gonna look like. But what we do now, so now
what we what has happened is choke holds are now barred.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
What is it called?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
It is this? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
That's one of the reforms that have been passed. So
that's you know, But can we go back.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
We have it on camera, we can go back and
see who those cops were. Why don't we try? I mean,
I don't know the statues of them.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Take the limited immunity, which says that they can't be
held liable for.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
For what they do in a line of their job
by being a policeman.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I can't be trying to hold this man down and
he dies, and you can sue me because I was
just being a policeman at the time.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
But you and wrongful death are two different things. When
you hold somebody down to the point where their dad
and they're telling you I can't breathe, Yeah, yeah, I
mean I get it. Like, you know, if I'm doing
my job correctly and something happens, then that's a different issue.
But I'm using excessive force right if I'm outside of
the bounds, if I'm using a no knock warrant in
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the middle of the night, Like, at what point do
we because right.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Now they think they're above blah law because of that exactly,
they can.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
We're all about roar. I mean, I mean the kid,
the kid who shot into the police car in Compton,
he thought he was above the law. Oh you know
the two Compton.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Policemen who were sitting at the two Compton police officers
were at the Metro. I guess it's the blue line
in Compton and a suspect ran up to the car.
They had it a video, a shot into the car
and one of the officers was just released yesterday. They
were fighting for their lives, yes four or five days
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and then things get all out of Oh, I mean
there's one hundred there's a humongous of reward.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, I saw that Lebron James. The sheriff was calling
yesterday for Lebron to because he offered a reward for
another person that he's like, you know somebody that was
he offered one hundred thousand dollars rewards. So the sheriff
was like, yeah, I'm calling on Lebron James to match
the reward for my officers. And I mean, I think
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that's a little First of all, you can't.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I mean the sheriff, he the sheriff of Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Yeah, he is, just it's just he's just shriffes across
the country have traditionally are voted in, so they have
this extreme power that they just do not like question
the sheriff's power, and you know he's That whole thing
with Lebron was a jab.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I think it was a job, absolutely sure. And I
think that piece of it is that the perception is
that black people are okay with people who kill cops.
That is not true.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
But that's what he made them and and that's exactly
it was like halizing, like and Lebron was trying to
do something good, right exactly, and you know they the
sheriff is like, you know, we're we're demonizing the police force,
like we're all like all police are bad. No, We're
we're actually making them finally pay for what, you know,
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these horrible wrongdoings that they've been doing and getting away
with for years. We're finally calling them on their ship
and saying we're not going to take it anymore. And
if Lebron wants to offer someone one hundred thousand dollars
to figure out who killed someone, you know, that's up
to him.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Like that's this has been.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Happening to his people for the longest time, and it's
his right. It doesn't like you to make Lebron look
like a bad guy because he doesn't want to.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I was just very turned off by the sheriff.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
He's such a bad guy. It's just like, yeah, he's
just a bad guy. He's just like, it's just taking
law enforcement and he just mixes in politics every day
every day, make it political. And then with the politics media.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And it's political because he said the sheriff was voted
in the attorney generals voted in the DA's voted, voted in.
So what do we have to do? People vote, vote,
to vote, mail in your ballots. We have to vote.
It will come back down to use zero voice where acounts,
where it matters. We have to vote. Yeah, I mean elections.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Elections count way more in the national there will never
be the Democratic candidate will always get California.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, the change has to start, you know with that's like, yeah,
very for it to change in the bigger way, we
need we need get you know, the smaller local elections.
We need to get to people we want in there
so then we can finally like take it to the
next I don't think right now, I was going to
say something really profound, but it just went away.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
You're always profound.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I think we'll take a break so I can have
some green juice, brain juice.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
All right, we'll be right back. Well, maybe turn we'll
talk about our experiences with the police force, the good,
the bad, the ugly.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So we're going to each share some experiences that we've
had with the police force. And I've had quite a few.
I've had good, bad, and ugly. Who wants to start,
because you've.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Been it's probably the police call me where we were
still looking for the car. I think, okay with with
with the.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
That to my car. I saw that.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
The police made me feel like it was really beneath
them to go out and look for the car.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
That's beneath our value. And I don't see them for
any other value. I mean, but that's their job.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
They made me feel like, Yo, don't you realize we
have a lot more to worry about then you're stolen
two thousand and two car.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
And I was like, no, I don't want to hear
that you have more. I mean, what can be more important? Okay, yeah,
that's way more important.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
That day at that moment, like this is like turn
the lights on and just like start pulling over every car.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
The massive description, massive description the car, massive description of
what was.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Stolen, and we want to make sure it's not the
stolen car.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I want something, but we still love you.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
So my house was broken into a couple of years ago,
right before Christmas that we had four houses on the
block that were broken into. There had been a lot
of construction going on, so it was like people, you know,
different people in and out all the time doing construction
because it's not always the same workers. So we just
because it was a really it's a really nice area.
It was a really you know, safe street. I left,
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I came home and my house was They said it
was like a smash and grab kind of thing because
they just tore my whole room apart, and they took
all my jewelry, my cardier watch, all my lou Euton luggage.
Like I will I always say I would never have
Louviaton luggage again. But my ex boyfriend bobsem I will
not buy it personally, just because it just says steal me,
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steal me, steal That's what I think. But the cops
were just so they they it took them almost two
days to come over when I called and they said, oh,
the guys will come out to take the fingerprints in
a few days, so try not to touch anything. Like
my bedroom is ripped apart, their shit everywhere, drawers are open,
(19:10):
the like clothes everywhere. I'm like, I need to clean
it up, and why is it going to take a
few days?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
And that was it. Like I after that, I didn't
hear back from them. I kept checking in with them
like I was. I personally was calling poone shops. I
felt like they were there just to give me that
piece of paper. They're like, Okay, this is what your
insurance company is going to need. Here you go. And
I'm like, but if four houses are being broken into,
what if someone was home when someone got hurt? Like
(19:37):
you need to look into this, And I just felt
like it was beneath them.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
They didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
They were there to give me a piece of paper
to have the report.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
The most shocking thing was when I realized the car
was stolen and I called nine one one know what answered?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It went from is that an actual emergency?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
No? This is what.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Stop looking at me?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I mean no, it wasn't. Yes, it was my car
is gone. Someone come help me.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Please just call a regular police attack were.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
But nobody knew he wasn't having That's true.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
You had all these numbers, Like if you didn't have
a pian of paper, how would you take advantage of
all this information? Like call this number if this is
going wrong, you call this number if this is going wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I'm like, something I can remember, But would you.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Call name one one for a car story?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I would call now on one they broke it? This
one broke to my house. That's definitely not sure. Yeah,
my car is stolen. I mean because it's not it's
not it's not it's not immediate threat. It's just you know,
you do you it help? So I could I could
see that.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I'm just shocked. I was put a whole and no
one ever answered.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Did they ask if your life wasn't danger usually ask
you the recording, are you in a safe place or.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
No, it was just due to COVID or something, or
due to reform. They had the whole spill. For me,
I was like, they're letting people realize that if we
went with these reforms now one one won't work. And
we never got through that. I mean, I really never
got through that that morning on now one one.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
They never did.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Really that's nuts, because I mean that is insane.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Gualo where I didn't want to call because I was like, Jesus,
somebody could really need this, and I'm sitting here.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Down the street.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I was like, oh my god. I mean, I couldn't
believe it.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I was like, that is crazy, though, Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
That's been my light latest interaction with the police. I
can get through it to a dispatcher.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
That is that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
So I would good experiences Okay, But before I start, though,
I do want to say that I think that the
central issue that comes back to police reform is being
a part of community and police in the community. So
that's sort of been my experience is because we've talked
about have used the Angel guidance to sort of intentionally
put the boys in front of police officers so they
can establish relationship and for both parties, so that the
(22:22):
boys cannot be afraid of cops, and so the cops
can see like black children aren't threats and that they
really So it's sort of a two sided exercise. And
so I've been down to the station over here several times.
They have a book center for children actually where children
can get free books they can sit down and read.
I've had officers talk to the kids about making good
(22:44):
choices about different things. I've actually went with a friend
of mine. She had a situation she required police systems.
They helped her, talked about her issues. You know. So
the times I've engaged, they've been helpful, they've been supportive.
It has been an emergency, but I had they have
really gone above and beyond in that they've taken the
(23:05):
time to speak to my children. You know, cammingly with
joking me and making each other. They weren't afraid they
were ahead.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Did you have a low cut dress on?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I mean, because.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
You're a very attractive woman. And I think that sometimes
cops will be a little like sometimes if I'm driving
and like I not saying I'm a tracktor, I'm saying,
my plan is to pull my hair up and put
it in it like like a top one. I don't
want to be like cute in my car to give
them a reason just to talk to me and pull
me over. And that sounds weird, I know, but I
(23:39):
take my earrings.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Off, my hair up.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I don't want to get pulled over like I just
it sounds bizarre. But they do sometimes do that. And
maybe they're nicer to you because of you're aesthetic and
hopefully not and.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I don't know, because I love that that. I mean,
it does play into help you perceive you. So if
you if you see me and I'm a certain way
right and I talk like this and I have this,
you know, people do. I mean, they're for sure social, acadomic, stereotyped,
you know, and there's all these different things that go
into that. So yeah, so, yeah, we can't wait.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
There's no way to know for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
But I think that people, I mean, we're not I
think in our show we're not characterizing police as bad.
But what we are saying is that do better. Someone
emergency helped them if we if we are calling for service,
we do expect and require a certain not just any service,
but a level of service. But I am happy to
say that I have received services from the police force
(24:40):
that both gave myself and my children great experience.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Time we can go to the police station, that's a whin. Yeah,
our own will go there.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I'm not going to beat up on that that there
should be more followed through on the smaller, you know,
on the smaller end, because what if you know, yeah,
my house got broken into, but what if somebody was
telling me, you know, what if they use your car
for you know, a crime now and yeah, exactly what
if something happens. I just feel like every everything counts,
(25:19):
Like I just feel like just giving me a piece
of paper and having a report of it, there's more
to what their job entails. Yeah, you know, there's there's
crime out there, but you know, we're not having murders
happen like every day all day that if they have
the time, they should try to follow through with the
little things. I mean that is their job. Or get
like you know how they have Barbie and Skipper. They
(25:40):
need to get like Skipper cops and the Barbarie cops
can do like the you know, they have people that
do the lower level stuf. You I'm trying to think,
you know what I mean, like the bo Yeah, well
definitely literally you know, like get get cops said, don't
(26:00):
that aren't you know they have detectives and they have
like lower level like they need to like they need breaking.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
They really need all hands on deck at that. Really
it's it's all hands on deck cadets. Everyone needs to
be involved in engaging and being a part of the community.
At this point, like we are at a crisis level
and the perception of cops in our community is not good.
So yes, I've had my good experiences, but to one
out of three is not It doesn't not good odds.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
So we got to call the truth on you know,
the whole world on drugs and that they all just
come to us stop and relationships back together, yes, and
just get you know, let.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
The people out of prison that are in prison for pot.
So I know that sounds crazy, but but no, like
we have overcrowded jails. And I just thought about this
because I looked at Lucas and then I think about pot.
But another's non violent pot.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, yeah, I think everybody. I just don't think jail
is a place for non violent people. It's just that
the whole concept of jail makes you violence.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I mean, put someone into one little room cod and
we all talk about, oh, this feels like jail.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
No it's not jail. No, there's nowhere closed to jail.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
But you can understand that how frustrating and unproductive a
jail cell.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Must really be. Yeah, I mean if you don't know,
if you didn't know before, you know, But I.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Mean we're overcrowded, and they you know, pot is legal
now in a lot of the states, and it's.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
That's the rub. Pot is legal. All of these mainly
young black offenders are still how their records impacted because
of because of pot, and now millions of people are
making money off of it.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
It's like these people and we should be at home
and you know, edibles, having edibles and you know, working,
you know, instead of they can sit.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
In the living room and watch their kids go through school.
They maybe work with their ged or their kids in
the school too. There's going to be things you can
rehab now.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Right, exactly a COVID way than just locking someone up
for a non violent crime.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Especially when we'spend like fifty thousand dollars a year per prisoner.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I mean, imagine if you made a person stay at home,
you put fifty thousand dollars into a bank account. They
have to sit there and watch their kids go to
school all day, make sure everything's all straight.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
We're gonna so terrible d.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
D non violence of vendors dying with COVID in jail.
We can bring them home confinement.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
But don't give them fifty grand make them go and
get a job.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And like we've almost spend that regardless, but we're.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Not going to give them fifty thousand dollars as a
present for being doing something that's not good.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Well, not being able to leave is kind of like
the prison. I mean that's not good either. Freedom is
a crazy thing, and to lose it, it's really a
thin line between being free and not being free.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
This is true.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I mean, just mentally being locked into a room saying
you can't leave. You don't even need change is anymore
because you're just locked in here.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I can't leave. That's still a punishment.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
But I think that's the piece of the non violent offenders.
And then how but police are treating everyone as potentially violent,
right and like we said, it's it's there's a whole
people just in the park smoking weed. Now you've gotten
arrested and potentially shot.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
You stole a car and then you get shot in
the back because you're running from the police. Like you
stole a car, you know, like that doesn't require like
you shouldn't be killed because you stole a car.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Like there has to be some sort of scale on
how we're addressing these these people, the incidents, how the
police are responding. Everything is being handled right now with
an iron fist everything.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
But Lori Laughlin.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
White care paid again to college? Like can you just
pay to get a college? I'm like, that's actually not
how it's supposed to go. Yeah, we're watching a Netflix
movie about it's called Candy Jar and it's about getting
into like these and I was like, you're not supposed
to you you're not like, you're not supposed to pay.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
It's been going on for years and years.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
If you have the right influence, the right reach the right, you.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Get paid it. You can pay to stay to graduate.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
You can pay that. People do you your papers for you.
I mean I don't want them to do that.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Can pay to have your test taken for you. I
wish that's true.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I didn't go to college.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
That's all I have to say.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I was too cheap.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
We want to keep the money.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I want to keep the money.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Do some homeschooling.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Home.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
You think I'm crazy a little bit, but it's a
good crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It's gonna take crazy to get crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Well, I also think we have to. So now it
looks like we're putting just dollars on human lives, and
then we're calling it settlements and we're trying to make
it go away. That's not going to work either.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
So now what So I don't know. Is it one
person win vote or one dollar one vote. You know,
the dollars seem to win the overall the votes. So
everything's about money.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It is, actually it is about money.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
I didn't want it that way, but if we're going
to have find solution, it's going to be money based.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Okay, I think we're done.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
It's all about the money, and we're saying vote. Learn
about your local elections. Yes, your DA's, your attorney generals,
your prosecutors, all the people in charge of making informs
and changing the system. Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
You should with a local voting list.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Who supporting I was looking the other day, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Can were you think we all agree on the door
the same?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Well, you know what they say, if they've been in,
if they have been a position for more than five years,
vote them out, because that's part of the problem at
this point. If you look at the canon and they've
been there for several times, vote them out because they
are who they are.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I won't have many people be left if we did that,
just started with we're thinking there longer than five years,
how will we left?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
That's what we can do. Next time we have our conversations, Well,
we'll just for our local elections. We'll get and and
we'll get a little longer than five years, and.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
We'll see what they track my credits because we can
you can literally look and see how are they, how
are they operating, who are they putting in? What's their
history and their record on imprisoning minors and police violence,
et cetera, so we can see what our local officials
politics fun.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
All right, make sure you keep the conversation going.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
People have a good one and at rest. We want
the tailor's killers.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yep.
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