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Welcome back everyone and tomy lovely co-host Chloe. Welcome
to another episode of BlackBeauty Jag.
Glad to be here, Caesar. Andwe are finishing up on our series
on the EU's direction withelectric vehicles and everything
associated with thatgenerational task, aren't we?
We sure are Chloe. It will begood to finalize that series.
It has been a really deep diveand a fun series. I have learned
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a lot during these three weekscovering this. So let's get started,
shall we?
The electricity grid. This isthe bedrock, isn't it? The foundation
for any widespreadelectrification, especially EVs.
It's the silent, sprawlingnervous system for this whole transition.
And we got a stark warningback in March 2025, didn't we? That
Heathrow blackout.
Yeah, that cause come chaos.Definitely an interruption of normal
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life.
It was a single substationfailure near one of the world's busiest
airports. A widespreadblackout grounded thousands of flights.
Logistics caused a massiveeconomic disrupt. It wasn't just
a blip, it was a vivid displayof how dangerously brittle Europe's
electrical system has become.A wake up call for sure, because
the current grid, spanningbasically from Portugal to Finland,
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synchronizing power acrossdozens of countries, was built mainly
for a different age.
It was built for a fossil fuelera. Right.
It was built for centralizedpower plants, which allows for predictable
one way power flow. It wasabsolutely not designed for today's
energy world with scatteredsolar arrays and remote offshore
wind farms popping upeverywhere. That introduces variability,
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two way power flows andcompletely different dynamics. And
the result? Gridlock for renewables.
They can't connect. Wow,Caesar, I hadn't thought about it
all until you stated it.
We're now seeing over 2terawatts. That's a massive amount
of wind, solar and storageprojects that are now delayed across
just four major Europeanmarkets because they simply can't
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get a grid connection.
Two terawatts delayed. That isserious. And all because of connection.
It's not just a minor planninghiccup, it's a full blown crisis
of delivery. You have cleanenergy sources ready to go. They
are built and paid for, butthe pipes and grid infrastructure
can't handle them. Imaginebuilding a bunch of high speed train
lines but forgetting to laythe actual tracks to connect them.
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That's what's happening withEurope's grid right now.
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Great way to describe what ishappening, Caesar. That raises the
critical question, doesn't it?How can Europe realistically hit
its ambitious climate targets,aiming for 42.5% renewable energy
by 2030, net zero by 2050. Ifthe very infrastructure needed to
deliver that. Clean energy isstruggling so much.
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The foundation is shaky.Honestly, Chloe, I'm not sure that
it is doable. At least not theway things look today.
The green vision is there. Theclean energy tech is increasingly
available, cost effective, butthe backbone connecting it all to
industries, homes, electriccars. It's bottlenecked, it's overloaded
in many places, it's justplain obsolete. Without a robust,
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modern, flexible grid, thoseclimate targets, they become incredibly
difficult, maybe evenimpossible to reach, no matter how
many EVs Europe manages to build.
And the cost of just lettingthis drift, the cost of inaction
or delay in modernizing thegrid, it's enormous, isn't it? Goes
way beyond just missingclimate targets. It's an economic
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drag indeed.
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The numbers alone are prettysobering. They really paint a picture
of the investment gap. TheEuropean Commission estimates the
EU needs at least 584 billionin grid investment between now and
2030.
Whoa. Over half a trillioneuros at least.
And that breaks down into 400billion for the distribution grids,
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the local networks gettingpower to homes and businesses, and
another 184 billion for thebig transmission lines carrying power
long distances.
And that's just the basics,pretty much.
Just the physicalinfrastructure. Add in crucial digital
upgrades for smart management,resilience measures against climate
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impacts or cyber threats,vital cross border interconnectors,
the final bill will likely besignificantly higher. This isn't
just tweaking the system, it'sa colossal investment.
How is that, Chloe?
Almost like building a wholenew continent wide railway network.
And this grid fragility, it'sfast becoming a drag on competitiveness
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for Europe. Modern high growthindustries, think advanced manufacturing
data centers, new batteryplants, emerging hydrogen hubs, they
all need incredibly reliablehigh capacity electricity. It's non
negotiable for them.
They need that stable power.
Absolutely. If they can'tsecure that power where they need
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it, when they need it reliablyand at a decent price, well, they'll
go elsewhere. This isn't justa theoretical risk. Companies are
already reporting projectdelays across Europe, even thinking
about relocating investmentsto specifically because of grid constraints.
It's a real break on economicgrowth on future industrial development
for the continent threatensits ability to compete globally.
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And what's truly a massivemissed opportunity here, frankly,
it's quite frustrating.Frustrating as this huge imbalance
in investment we're seeing globally.
Imbalance how?
According to the InternationalEnergy Agency, global investment
in building new renewablegeneration wind farms, solar plants
is outpacing grid investmentby a wide margin.
So we're building powersources faster than the wires to
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carry the power.
That's exactly it. For everyeuro or dollar spent on new clean
energy capacity, less than 50cents is being spent to connect,
transmit and manage it. Thinkabout that. It's like building a
fleet of super fast trains,but totally neglecting the tracks,
the signals, the stations,leads to problems, leads to rising
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curtailment of clean energy.We're literally seeing situations
where wind farms being orderedto shut down because the grid simply
can't take the power they're generating.
Shutting down clean energywhile still burning fossil fuels.
Perversely, yes. At the sametime, backup fossil plants fire up
to meet demand because thegrid can't handle the clean energy
that's available. It meanshigher emissions than necessary,
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wasted renewable potential,and higher costs for consumers. It
completely undermines thepoint of the green transition. Plus
there's that critical securityangle that the Russian invasion of
Ukraine really hammered homeenergy security. Yeah, that crisis
forced Europe to rethink itsenergy dependencies almost overnight,
especially on Russian gas. Butenergy security isn't just about
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where your energy comes from.It's about whether you can reliably
the.
Grid'S role in security.
Absolutely. A resilient gridwith cross border flexibility is
vital. It allows power to flowwhere it's most needed during a crisis.
Absorbing shocks, ensuringsupply keeps flowing. But an outdated,
overburdened or overly siloedsystem, it just can't do that. It
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becomes a massivevulnerability, a single point of
failure.
Like in winter 2022.
Exactly. Europe narrowlyavoided rolling blackouts then, partly
thanks to shared capacity andquick demand management. But narrowly
is the key word there. Itshowed just how precarious the situation
was, and still is withoutmajor investment in strengthening
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and digitalizing the grid.It's truly a national security issue
just as much as anenvironmental or economic one.
Okay, it sounds like a problemthat just cannot be ignored any longer.
It needs massive urgentattention. So is Europe finally waking
up to this? Is this monumentalchallenge finally getting the focus
it needs? Or is it stilllargely an unseen battleground for
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policymakers?
Well, the encouraging sign isthat the grid is definitely no longer
invisible in policy debates.
Moving up the agenda.
Absolutely. What used to betucked away in the technical departments
of utilities and engineers,it's now a clear and urgent political
priority. That's a significantturning point. It's an acknowledgment
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that without fixing the grid,all those other climate and industrial
goals are basically dead inthe water. And you're seeing recognition
right at the top. MarioDraghi's big 2024 report on EU competitiveness.
A really influential piece ofwork. He didn't pull any punches.
He warned that Europe's futureeconomic relevance absolutely depends
on building the necessaryinfrastructure, especially grids.
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Connecting the dots?Explicitly, yes.
And he didn't just diagnosethe problem. He called for a new
industrial policy thatdelivers on energy resilience and
system integr, specificallyhighlighting the need to tackle those
hard truths about slowpermitting and fragmented national
planning that have bogged downgrid development for years. And we
are seeing concrete stepstowards better EU level coordination.
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That's critical. Moving awayfrom just a patchwork of national
efforts. In May 2024, EUenergy ministers publicly committed
to creating a new centralizedapproach to transmission planning.
Centralized planning, that's abig shift.
It is aiming for an integratedcontinent wide strategy, not just
27 countries doing their ownthing. The plan includes fast tracking
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key interconnection projects,those vital links for moving power
across borders, efficientlyestablishing priority corridors for
new high voltage lines, andcrucially, harmonizing permitting
frameworks across member states.
Cutting the red tape.
That's the goal. Streamlinethose cumbersome regulatory processes.
Overcome national hurdles thathave historically slowed grid projects
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down to a glacial pace. It'sabout trying to move at the speed
the challenge demands, not thespeed of bureaucracy. And the really
good news in all this? The fixis available. Europe doesn't need
to invent brand new miracletechnologies to modernize its grid.
It needs to deploy theexisting proven ones, but at scale
and much, much faster.
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What kind of technologies arewe talking about?
Things like smart transformersthat can dynamically adjust power
flow and voltage, reactinginstantly to fluctuating renewables.
Automated substations that canreroute power intelligently. There
are grid enhancingtechnologies like Heimdall's Neuron
that squeeze more capacity outof existing lines. Reconductor engineering
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using things like TCS's carbonfiber core, annealed aluminum high
tech cables which dramaticallyboost capacity on existing towers
without needing new land.
So upgrading existing infrastructure.
Exactly. Plus things likeefficient high voltage direct current
lines for long distancetransmission and digital twins, virtual
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models for better gridmanagement and planning. The tech
is there. The main challengeisn't innovation.
It isn't do tell us more, Chloe.
It's deployment speed,slashing permitting times and getting
everyone aligned acrossborders. So the call now, right from
the top in Europe, is to treatthe grid not as a legacy system,
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but.
As a strategic asset. I wouldpresume absolutely foundational.
Oh, definitely. It underpinseverything from climate success to
industrial revival. Investingin a modern, resilient grid isn't
just a cost or an optionalupgrade. It's the platform for everything
else Europe wants to achieve.
That's true. It cuts outagerisks, lowers energy costs long term,
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enables real flexibility, letsrenewables actually do their job,
and fundamentally boostsnational security.
This is the integrated view,meaning finally seeing the grid as
the indispensable backbone ofthe green transition. That which
signals a potential wake upcall that could genuinely reshape
Europe's energy future and itswhole economic path.
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So if we try and pull allthese different threads together,
Europe's journey towards thiselectric future, it's clearly at
a really critical point, isn't it?
Navigating this whole seriesof complex, interconnected challenges
is also a challenge. Caesar.
Yeah, a lot to juggle.
Right from dealing with thevery real, even if statistically
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less frequent challenges of EVfires and making sure firefighters
have the right tools andtactics, to navigating the huge economic
headwinds hitting itstraditional auto industry to the
massive effort of building itsown battery supply chain almost from
scratch, and thenfundamentally overhauling its vast
aging electricity grid. Thepath is just far more complex, far
more demanding than maybeanyone initially thought a few years
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ago. It feels like a continentreally wrestling with its own grand
ambitions in the face of thesetough practical economic and geopolitical
realities that just keep shifting.
So what does this all mean forthat bold target? You know, EV only
by 2035? Yeah, the bigquestion, that initial, really ambitious
EU mandate, it's definitelyfacing immense pressure now from
inside its own borders. You'rehearing loud calls for flexibility
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for a fundamental rethink.Think of how quickly and how completely
this mass industrial shiftscan actually happen.
The timeline is under fire totally.
The whole debate around plugin hybrids, the urgent, undeniable
need for more affordable EVsto get wider consumer buy in, it
all speaks to this reallydelicate balancing act, doesn't it?
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Between wanting ambitiousclimate action and facing the hard
realities of economicstability and social acceptance.
Can't ignore the economics.
Nope. And all of this sits ontop of that crucial, often forgotten
foundation. The need for amodern, resilient, smart electricity
grid that can actually supportall this electrification. It's just
a hugely complex, multilayered challenge, Lots of moving
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parts. And the stakes areincredibly high.
Which really brings us to animportant question for you, our listener,
to maybe think about as Europegrapples with all these interconnected
challenges, balancing theunique risks of EV fires, the economic
strain on its car industry,the strategic need for domestic battery
production, and the monumentaltask of upgrading its entire grid.
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How do you think societyshould strike that balance? That
balance between ambitiousenvironmental goals and the practical
realities of industrialtransformation, economic stability,
and intense global competition?
Yeah, where's the sweet spot exactly?
Is a flexible transition maybeallowing hybrids longer extending
deadlines too? Is that anunavoidable necessity to protect
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jobs in industry in the shortterm? Or does that flexibility risk
prolonging fossil fuelreliance, slowing down vital infrastructure
buildout, and ultimatelyjeopardizing those crucial long term
climate goals? Is itpragmatism? Or is it a dangerous
delusion of ambition? It's aquestion worth mulling over, because
the answers Europe findsthey'll likely echo far beyond its
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borders as this global racefor an electrified future just keeps
unfolding.