December 30, 2024 • 63 mins
Join Joey and GIl as they traverse through the 3 stories of people who faked their own death, from a Spanish WW2 spy who tricked the Nazi's while creating his own fake informant network, to a web developer trying to defraud insurance companies and move to another country, and our last one, a man who testified at his own murder trial.
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Reference Links:
https://listverse.com/2019/06/24/10-people-who-faked-their-own-death/
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https://www.history.com/news/spy-double-agent-death-hoax-world-war-2
https://www.agentgarbo.com/timeline/boarding-school/
https://www.agentgarbo.com/timeline/birth/
https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/spy-garbo-story-behind-britains-greatest-double-cross-agent/
https://www.agentgarbo.com/timeline/military-service/
Second Story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMV
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The calendar changes, the winterweather sustains.
What are your resolutions? Full of hope, full of readiness
for a new way of life. It's the promise of a new year
for the promise of a change. A change that could get you
caught or get you a new life. Money, fame, love,
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righteousness, anything could come.
So forge those documents, open that bank account, throw away
your family, and make sure you don't get caught as you prepare
to fake your own death. I didn't see you there.
It all started early this morning.
From hunting ghosts to Bigfoot UFOs.
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Cryptids, true crime, paranormaland more.
I always wanted to see a. UFOs.
Oh, I was, I was researching foryour entertainment.
That's Bigfoot's guess. He basically wrote the book on
Monarch. We aren't really comedians.
What if Buddha did cocaine the Addams?
Family on meth. This is the Black Cat report.
See you on the other side. Good New Year, almost new year,
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and today is our not really new yearly edition of New Year New
you welcome to the Black Cat Report in episode 118.
I'm Joey, and with me is the most enigmatic host of all, the
best interviewer since Geraldo Rivera, and the most generous
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man since Oprah Gil. Hello everybody.
Joey, thank you for that incredible introduction and I
gladly accept all those titles and awards.
Shower me. Shower me with them.
Shower the awards on you. Well this will be our third year
doing new year, new you and and around the new year the last two
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years before this when we did people who faked their own
deaths. And honestly this year can't
really change that. Gotta keep it the same 'cause
it's what we gonna do this year,baby tradition.
Maybe we'll change it up one day.
Like hell, I don't know. When we run out of people that
fake their own deaths, we'll we'll change it up.
I don't know that I don't think there's a shortage to people
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faking their own deaths, do you?At that point, we'll start
making content for episode. I like it.
AIAI baby. That's not what I mean, but
I'll. Write.
But I mean, allegedly, yes, a allegedly alleged intelligence.
Well, I generally think the ideaof faking people's own deaths is
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hilarious because honestly, mostpeople get caught.
Though two years ago we did haveone person, L Gunness, who did
not necessarily get caught because she kind of escaped.
And then she died before I thinkshe went on trial in like the
1970s or something like that, 1960s.
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And somebody said that they thought it was her, but she died
right before she could be arraigned to go on trial.
And I was like that spell Gunness.
That spell gunness for you? Yeah.
And in our second year, we had aprofessional wrestler, Mr. X or
Jerry Bib Ballesock, decide thathe wanted to try and start a new
life in a different country and try to cash in some insurance
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scam money. But he got caught.
Yeah, people who try to scam theinsurance companies generally
get caught. Because if you think how hard it
is to get money for your insurance when it's actually
legitimate, think about how hardit is to get money when it's not
legitimate. It's enough to lead you to a
McDonald's in Altoona. That's what I say.
Golly, exactly. And I want to say favorite story
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was that of the legitimately awesome businessman Timothy
Dexter, who, because he was not of high society ilk in the
United States, kept getting jokes played on him by the other
higher elite. And with these joke ideas, he
actually turned those joke ideasinto legitimately great
businesses. The only bad thing he did, and
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kind of this kind of like, erases his whole goodness, was
he abused his wife after she acted like he wasn't dead at his
own funeral. And that's how he kind of
flipped out. Yeah.
That's how people found out thathe faked his own death.
His wife was laughing and jokingaround with the guests at the
funeral. And he came in and was like,
what the. What the fuck?
Why aren't you being sad? And they're all like, looking at
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him like, you're supposed to be dead.
You dead. Yeah.
Why aren't you dead? And he's like, damn, it, almost
had it, Almost got him. Well, if you want to listen to
those two episodes, our previousnew year in the years, you can
listen to episode 39. And the other one is episode 78.
Well, Gil, you ready to get? Some stories.
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I've been stoked all week. Honestly, I've been stoked all
year. Yes, Yes, I am, Joey.
Hell yeah. Well.
The first person who I'm kind oftrying to take after dressing up
like and trying to get the good,you know, get into the body of
this because this guy's legitimately awesome, right?
Hell yeah. The first person who faked their
own death today and that we're going to get into is a man named
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Juan Pujol Garcia. Or as was his secret agent name,
Agent Garbo. I don't know if you've heard of
this guy, Gil, have you? Not at all.
Pretty cool. Dude, I just keep thinking about
the joke of one more time. One more time.
Oh, yeah. No, that's a song.
No, no, no, no. That's also a song.
One. One more.
No, not no. The joke.
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One more time. Never mind.
It'll it'll be relevant soon. Does he?
One more time. He comes back.
One more time. He this guy does well.
Juan Garcia was born in Barcelona in February of 1912.
Juan's father was a Catalan who owned a cotton factory.
His mother was a devout Catholicand a strict disciplinarian.
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Kind of goes hand in hand right there, right?
He has. When he turned 7, he was sent to
a boarding school, kind of like most Catholics are in their
young days anyways. And it was said that I didn't
like it very much. Like that's surprising.
Yes, right, right. Surprising going as a Catholic
he. Didn't want to try it one more
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time. No, he did not want to try it
one more time. And even once more.
But he came back one more time. I mean, it's cool.
Not many people like school. I like writing, and I even hated
school. We all did.
You know something about the ritual of getting up every
morning and being forced to groggily sit through class that
you hated with people that also suck?
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It's enough to get Joey as pissed as he does about post
offices, in a good way. I do like post offices in a good
way. Yeah, I know.
It should say not as pissed. It's enough to get Joey as
passionate. Worked up.
Yeah, worked up. Worked up.
That's right. Worked up.
Yeah. I mean, I love post offices.
I even went down a rabbit hole of God, of getting of of looking
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up reviews of post offices. Start fast forwarding.
Yeah, you got to. Well.
Anyways, he was stuck at school.He wasn't allowed to leave.
People were only allowed to visit him on Sundays, which, in
fact, his father actually did. Every Sunday, his father came
up, never missing a week, which is super nice.
He'd bring him food. He'd sit and talk with him and
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the other kids, you know, their fathers didn't come.
And he was like, I'm just going to come hang out with the sun.
I like my son. The dad was pretty liberal.
You know, he's like, he's prettyliberal.
He's pretty open minded. He was a good person.
He was like the opposite of the mom, who was like, strict,
disciplinary and strict. Like, you have to do this.
Everything is like, everything is, is coordinated for you.
This is your line. Yeah.
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Well, after four years of that boarding school, he eventually
transferred to a new school and he stayed there for three more
years, which then he decided again, this is not for me.
I'm I'm not a school cut going person.
He then left school and apprenticed at a hardware store.
Kind of did. Like most of us in our 20s and
literally the 1920s, he bounced around from job to job studying
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animal husbandry, running various businesses and animal
husbandry. Husbandry meaning he didn't
marry the the animals. In the biblical sense.
In the biblical sense, yeah. In the biblical thing, because
they were Catholics, they had, they had, they had to.
Emily had to get all the animalsmarried before truth.
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Yeah. I mean, the animals, yeah.
They had little cute little, cute little, little little
dresses for the cows in there and just be like, oh Betsy.
I just I just picture, I pictureone like officiating every
single ceremony is just like every time I say I'm not going
to cry, but God, even a can. It's like I'm giving away my
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daughter. It's like I'm every day away
every time. A little doggy Donner.
Well, as well as studying animalhusbandry, he started running
various businesses. He also worked at the cinema.
Just kind of odd jobs here and there, just doing random stuff.
20s that's what it's for. Well.
Hey, you need a toothpick? Got a toothpick for you.
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Hey, look at that salt packet. Fell on the ground and I got it.
My name's Juan. Do odd jobs.
They call him Juan Jobs. All right.
I'll see you later. Goodbye.
It's just a just a card. That says that that.
Says Juan Job. Juan Job, it's like doesn't even
have a number to call, doesn't even.
Have one more I. Don't know where to get find him
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I'll. Find this one more thing.
Wait, what year was this? This is the 1920s.
OK, no, what was? There we go.
This is the 1920s. Damn, so this is like damn.
So this is actually during the Spanish Revolution though.
Right before it. Yeah, but like, yeah, right on
the fucking lead up with Franco and the Spanish Revolution.
Damn, shit was getting trippy. OK.
So it was getting crazy. 1936 iswhen the Spanish Revolution
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happens. What it Yeah, it was, it was.
There was some real crazy stuff happened.
Before it was. Building up, but 36 is like the
legitimate beginning of the Spanish revolution.
Yeah, in in Spanish civil war. Yeah, exactly.
Well, in 1931, his father passedaway right before the Spanish
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Civil War. Kind of dodged that bullet.
Well, his father left the cottonfactory business to his sons and
he left them pretty well provided for.
Honestly. He was like, here's a bunch of
money. My cotton factory business is
doing great. Here you go.
Well, this would all be taking away during the beginning of the
Spanish Civil War. Yeah, sounds about right.
The country took it all away from them.
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They took the cotton factory andthey divided it out to everybody
else, which is just kind of partof how the war was working, how
everybody's doing, and it was just getting fought over.
I kind of want to delve into theSpanish Civil War just for a
second to give you the history of it.
It's not a lot just because it'sa huge, huge thing that I don't
want to delve too much into because.
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I can make. We're going to it.
You can make 6. Episodes about it.
Yeah, we will. But just to give you a little a
little overview so we can kind of get into his head of how he
was living at this time. Spanish Civil War is basically
there was a revolution led by nationalists who are backed by
Nazi Germany and Italy, led by General Francisco Franco.
It was not a it was not a revolution.
He was elected into office. He revolted 1st to take over the
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the Republic. Yeah, but Franco took the
election I'm. Gonna let you do your version
of. History.
No, it's true. It was a military coup at first,
and then the communists had to come back and try to take.
Over that was anarchists, the anarchists and a few communists.
They were anarchists, yeah. They were a majority.
Yeah, sorry. We're gonna.
We're gonna. Fight on this because this is
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it. This is one of the biggest
things in the anarchists like history was a working,
functioning anarchist society. It was around for three years
until Mussolini, Franco and Hitler all teamed up to destroy
the fuck out of out of an anarchist region of the world
that was actually functioning incredibly well.
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There wasn't there was a region in there.
Yes, the the the first part of. That was but.
Yeah, the Republic was the original was the original people
who led they were the Republic was the beginning of with Spain
right after the monarchy fell and everything can eventually
became a Republic. It was led by Francisco
Cavallaro. He eventually came through was
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he was voted in Francisco and the military started a military
coup work through. Then Francisco got elected.
Francisco Franco got elected, but they were backed by Italy
and Nazi Germany. The Republic was not was backed
by the Soviet Union, the UK and basically the allies.
Everyone was just like, we got to back any.
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It's basically like we're doing in a freaking we're doing in a
like Venezuela and every other country in South America.
We're going in and being like, here's some money.
We want you to win. Good luck.
You know, and we're sending people and the anarchists were
sending in people too, to kind of be like, hey, US people are
coming in being like, let's fight them.
You know, we're like, hey, send people over.
Don't say they're United States people.
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We don't want to look like we'rein this war right now.
Well, in 1931, Juan did his mandatory military service,
which was at the time in Spain. He had to have a mandatory
military service. He went into the 7th Regiment of
Light Artillery. Again, Juan hated doing this and
kind of is like a thing. He hates doing everything.
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I want to say he's just like, I just hate everything.
Well, he said this military service isn't for me.
He also weirdly said he hated horse riding and that he lacked
the essential qualities of loyalty, generosity and honor.
I would love to see this dude's dating profile.
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My name is Juan. I hate long walks on the beach.
Chocolate. I hate chocolate Vanilla.
I hate vanilla too. I lack all the necessary
requirements for a committed long term relationship.
To be honest, I'll probably get bored within 15 minutes of
showing up on our date, even if I am interested in it.
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I love odd jobs. It definitely hit me up.
juanjobs.com. Go find me over there.
You got something that fell on the ground.
I'd love to do it. My name's Juan.
Anything that's expected of me, well, I won't be around, but.
I hate it. There's probably there.
There's probably a punchline here.
I don't know where I'm going with this.
My name's Juan. Please don't.
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Please don't swipe left. Please don't wait.
Swipe right. It's been a while.
Well, by the time I'm done, you'll say one more time, one
more time. Well, his essential qualities
that he lacked would make him kind of perfect for his future
endeavors. Once he finished his compulsory
military service, he ended up running a poultry farm.
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And in 1936, literally right at the beginning of the Spanish
Civil War, he was basically justhanging out with his girlfriend,
which somebody did swipe right on him.
So he kind of got lucky. She did it one time.
I said OK, exactly. She said, hey, baby, one more
time. And I just, you know, we've went
with that ever since then. Herbert officiated the wedding.
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It was beautiful, I cried. I cried.
I always cry. Well, he listened to the radio
basically like everyone was doing it at the time, finding
out all the news, hearing that literally neighbor were killing
neighbor and not just because oftheir viewpoints in the war, but
because some people just wanted to settle old scores.
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And it was huge. And and you know, like you just
said, talked about earlier aboutthat, you know, like the anti
fascist going and and stealing the guns of all the fascist
supporters. It's like it's true but a lot of
people were like damn I don't even support politics but
fucking hate my neighbor. I don't think anybody would
notice if I killed him. Pretty much.
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Well I mean like a country doesn't get to the point of open
rebellion and revolution withoutthere being some tension amongst
folks like. Exactly.
And that's just, it doesn't matter where or when it takes
place in history. Like there's not an open
rebellion unless neighbors are pissed at neighbors.
So like, that's just what you need.
That's the main ingredient. Exactly.
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You got to hate, get people to hate each other.
He was really scared because as he said earlier, oh shit, he
hated the military. He like, fucking hated being in
the military. I mean, and to be honest, he
hated doing a lot of things, buthe really hated the military.
And the Republic Army called up all officers.
And which is funny because he left the military as a
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Lieutenant even though he hated it.
He went through one course and they said if you go through this
course, you can become an officer.
And he was like trying to be an officer.
Yeah, exactly. I'd rather be an officer than
just regular enlisted men. So yeah, well, because he hated
the military and he didn't fit in there, he decided to go on
the run and he just left. He deserted, basically deserted
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the Republic Army because they called everybody up.
And not too long after that he was arrested by the Republic
Army because he deserted from the military.
Hello, my name is twice. Who?
I'm only going to say it once. We got him.
We got him, damn it. Well, after a few months of
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sitting in jail waiting to be freed, he was eventually freed
by the Socorro Bianco, who were the Anarchist Syndicus Trade
Union, who had forged his papersto show he was too old to serve
in the military, which also the Anarchist Syndicus Trade Union
were going in and freeing so many.
Basically they were going in andand freeing political
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dissidents. It's kind of funny.
Put that in quotations because both sides had their dissidents
and you were they would they would free both sides because
they were like, well, if you're throwing them in jail, they must
hate them. And they would go back to the
other side, the Republic side and be like, well, they're in
jail. We got to forge papers for them
too. So they were going and just
trying to help as many people asthey can, because some people
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are like, I don't want to serve in the military.
I don't not a military person for an in jail.
You know, it's kind of how it works in a civil war.
The moment straight to jail. They also eventually saved his
family too, because they had also been arrested and treated
terribly. Well, he was in terrible shape
because he was in hiding for so long after he got freed from
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jail. And he was treated honestly
pretty badly by both sides of the war because one side, the
Republican side, had put him in jail and the other side was also
seeking him out to try and kill him or also put him in jail.
So he was just on the run from both.
Yeah, he couldn't. Like he couldn't go anywhere.
So he got stuck in a hotel cell room.
The Anarcho syndicalist trade union put him in to in this
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little hotel and they're like, OK, sorry bud, but you can't
leave. They know your face.
People are looking for you, bothsides looking for you.
We're going to get you as much food as we can.
Well, he got super sick sitting in this one because he couldn't
go anywhere. He couldn't go outside, he
couldn't exercise and he lost 20kilos, which is a lot of weight.
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And so he's definitely sickly. It's like 50 lbs, isn't it?
20 kilos. 5060 lbs Cuz 2.2 lbs in a kilo.
Yeah, about 2.2 * 20. Yeah, it's a lot of weight.
Yeah. In three weeks, which is crazy.
Fuck that. Well, he decided he was like, he
was like, hey, man, F it. Yeah, he's actually gonna do
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some good in the world. He's like, screw this.
I'm tired of just sitting here. And so he goes.
I'm gonna hatch a plan and try to get to France, right, 'cause
he's like, I need to move. And this is still before World
War 2 started. So Germany is still be in
Germany and they're just posturing knots or Hitler's
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consolidating his. Poland starting to sweat just a
little. Poland starting to sweat.
They're looking at both sides ofthem and they're like, I think
that Hitler made a pact with theSoviet Union.
Hitler and Stalin made a pact that's probably not very good.
Yeah, that's not very good. We're screwed.
Yeah. We're right in the middle.
Yeah, we're screwed. Well, still, nobody is still in
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the middle of the Civil war. So he's still, you know, still
stuff's going on. France is still free.
So his first step was basically volunteering for the Republican
Army because he already was, like, got drafted by them,
dodged him, got arrested by them.
He's like, OK, maybe I can use them to get over the border.
And with his new forged papers was enlisted as there was
desperate need for people on thefront lines, which to be fair,
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he did not want to go there. He wanted to do other things.
But he went to military trainingagain anyways because he had no
loyalty and just wanted to live.He eventually changed sides and
then went over to the nationalist soldier side.
And there's this whole part of it where he literally, they're
in a ditch, right? The the Republican Army was in a
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ditch and they were sitting on one side.
The Nationalist army was on the other side in another ditch.
And the Nationalist army supported by Hitler, supported
by Mussolini. They're eating good.
They're eating food. They're sitting warm.
And the other side, he was sitting there like, oh, man, we
don't have enough food. We're like running out of we're
running out everything right? Yeah.
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And so he goes to him, him and afew other buds are like, shit,
we got a we need to change sides.
And so he literally grabbed three hand grenades.
He was like, just in case, just in case something happens and I
need to make a quick exit, hand grenades will do.
So they crawled through these ditches, like basically crawled
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through on their hands and kneesto get over to the other side.
And they just hear, you know, like they hear a gun like load
or like the, the, the bolt load.And there's like, oh shit, they
found us. And then he's a gunshot go off,
a couple gunshots, and he's like, shit, they're gonna kill
us before we get over there. And luckily, as soon as he
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turned around, there was a nationalist soldier right behind
him being like, put your hands up.
And then took them in there. And they were like, hey, we're
trying to change sides. We wanna follow you guys.
And then they're like, OK, they gave them a bunch of weird.
They gave them a bunch of food and they're like, oh, shit food.
And they like scarf the food down.
They're like, damn, we haven't had food in like a couple days.
And so they're like, oh God, we're all good.
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They get tortured to get information and they're just
like, fuck, we'd said the wrong thing.
But eventually after, like I think it was after a week, the
nationalists were like, are you really sure you want to change
sides? Like you're we're going to put
you in our army. We also need people to fight.
And we don't really care. You're just going to die anyway.
So it doesn't matter. So they took them into their
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army. They got, they got stuck in the
army right on the front line. And what's funny is he actually
survived the war fighting for the Nationals.
So he got lucky his all of his other friends died, all the
other the three other friends ended up dying on the frontline.
This kind of goes along the lineof a remember how I said that?
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You know, he said he was never loyal so.
Yeah, yeah, you got to kind of be a shit bag.
Those are also like hugely, hugely different ideologies,
like the diametrically opposed. So to just go over there for
some ramen, even if you are starving, you weren't down for
the cause to begin with. Man.
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Now he doesn't care about it. Well, it said something that he
already had dodged the war. Yeah, he already tried to dodge
it in the beginning, got arrested, then went in there
because he needed money. Even when he dodged the war in
the anarchist side, they were still like, and we'll put you up
in a hotel room and take care ofyou.
But like, because the anarchistswere like, we're against
political persecution, and so even if you're against us, we
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still respect you. Just kind of stay out of our
fucking way. No, and it's true.
Like he just didn't care and that that was what he described
himself as. Fascists are like what color do
you like blue? Get in jail.
What the fuck? Actually, yes.
That's the funny part. What's crazy is that he just
didn't care and he spelled it. It was so true, and I guess it
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was a lot of self-awareness. Yeah, he spelled it out himself.
He said I have no loyalty. Fuck that.
Jesus Christ. I mean, I appreciate the fact
that he was conscious enough to know that about himself.
So exactly. So at what point does he need to
fake his own death? We're getting there, buddy.
He had actually fought on both sides of the Spanish Civil War,
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and he literally did not fire a single shot.
What? Yeah.
He just got lucky. Never had to, never wanted to.
OK, Yeah. Well, we're going to Fast
forward three more years after civil war.
We all know he survived. Well, on September 3rd, 1939,
obviously we know Britain declared war on Germany and Juan
thought this was my chance to dosomething good because as much
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as he was like, I don't care about the civil war, he actually
hated Nazis. Well, which was one of the
unifying things in the world forthe most part, except for Italy
and Japan, but we'll carve out for those two and some of the
some of the other countries thatkind of just really catch.
You can come in and kill all these people for us anyways.
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Well, hating the totalitarianismof Hitler and honestly the
war-torn Spain, he decided again, because he never made it
to France, He his idea was to take to take get in the army and
then cross the border into France.
Never got there. He goes still got to get out.
He eventually got a passport to get out of the country, out of
Spain to Portugal. And he's like, that'll do.
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At least I'm out of Spain. Yeah, well, he's went two years
in Portugal and he got married. He had a few kids, and he seemed
to rebuild his life right after they'd all been in jail.
They kind of got settled down, but he was still bothered by
this psychopath Hitler, as he called them, which a lot of
people call them. Well, in January of 1941, Juan
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arrived in Madrid with a fake ID, Another one.
He's really good at getting fakeIDs.
Thrice, thrice, yes, He went to the British Embassy to try and
get a job as a spy. The British officials basically
said Nah. Get away.
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They basically turned him down. They they turned him down in the
most corporate way possible. They literally sent him to
different people in the embassy to talk to, to get a job as a
spy. And the other person will be
like, I'm sorry, you don't have the right paperwork to get here.
You have to go to this person. And they'd send him to the next
person and send him to the next person.
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They basically were the DMV of embassies.
And they just kept sending him to different places.
And he was like, I'm like literally trying to help you.
I can help you, but they're like, no, I'm sorry you're.
They made the right call. Well, unfettered, he decided to
say F it again like he did before.
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I'm just going to do it myself. Oh.
My God. He created basically an identity
for himself as a pro Nazi Spanish fanatic and started
creating fake British agents as his spies in London.
He met with a Nazi agent in Spain that gave him money,
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passports, stuff to start his a phone, a decoder, and pretty
much anything he needs to start his spy agency.
He got 600, I think it was Deutsche marks at the time, to
basically start his spy agency and to pay all these people.
He played it and they were like,all right, Nazis were like,
you're going to move to London and you're going to spy on the
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British for us. And instead of doing that, he
just went to Lisbon. He's like, fuck that.
I got some money now. And then he started creating
fake reports, created fake names, and used a London guide
book to lie to the Nazis. Kind of incredible and you tell
us about what is going on in London.
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It appears as saucy London Bridge is falling down, falling
down, falling down. London Bridge is falling down,
falling down, falling down. That was basically it, and he
was. It's like not even a British
guide book. It's like a book of like British
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children's, like nursery rhymes.London Bridge is falling down,
falling down, falling down, falling down, falling down,
falling down. Literally, they were so happy
with the stuff that he was giving them.
They didn't even try to give to like actually have any more
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spies in the area. They said he's doing such a good
job. These guys are really good.
Yeah, but what's funny is that he literally was going through
and saying like, this person is not going to oh, oh, why didn't
they show up? Why weren't you notified of
this? Like major troop movement?
Oh, Oh, my guy got sick and he just literally came an hour
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after I'd sent my last message and they're like, Oh yeah, that
makes sense. Such happens.
Yeah. Y'all feeling need to work on
your health scale? Yeah, we do.
We totally do. Yeah, Y'all, everybody's getting
national healthcare. It's like the one thing we can
all agree on, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Literally, and he was, he kept sending letters and literally
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the British government did not know about this.
He was doing this without them noticing.
Without them noticing. They finally found him.
And this is the weirdest way they found him because he was
sending these notes, you know, in the events that the British
was tracking males and stuff like that to make sure there is
no spies sending stuff out. Yeah, in the note he said the
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Scottish would do anything for alitre of wine.
That is oddly specific. Can you tell me the problem with
that? Yeah, the Scots don't drink
wine. Everybody knows that.
No they they don't use litre. Oh yeah?
Well. They use imperial.
My stereotype of the Scots, the the Scots don't drink wine.
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OK, if you're if you're Scottishand you're listening to this,
write us contact at Black Cat dot report.
Let us know if you drink wine. See, that's where it's kind of
fishy to me. Yeah, that's why they found out.
They were like, wait a second, Scottish don't use leaders.
So it doesn't make any sense that you're saying this.
And they're like, this is weird.And they found out that he had
actually made the Nazis go try to attack a ship movement that
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didn't actually happen. And they were like, what?
How did this happen? Like the literally the Nazis
were out in the middle of nowhere while we're moving our
our ships the other way. And they didn't know what
happened. It was this guy.
He did it. They found him through this
letter. And they're like, shit, this guy
is actually good. Where did he come from?
And he's like, I've been trying to get to you.
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Yeah, I've been trying to get toyou.
Well, he was a beast. He wrote 315 letters by himself,
averaging 2000 words apiece. He got another one in from
Sivoan. What does it say?
It says, say Humpty Dumpty sat on a ball on a fall on a fall.
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And then it says Humpty Dumpty, he had a great fall.
Oh, that's really nice. He had a very hot summer.
I'm glad he took a good fall off.
No, it's not like that. He fell down.
Oh, that's terrible. Do they have health care over
there yet? Yes, they're working on.
It he was so good that the Naziseventually gave up their Enigma
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key to him. And he was instrumental, yeah,
he was instrumental in giving the Enigma key to the Allies to
break help break their code. If anybody remembers the wait,
oh, hold on, I got questions at Joey Bear.
If you've seen the movie U571 right, that is literally about
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the fucking enigma. It's about trying to get like
this was the Nazis were they're not well, honestly both.
So I actually, come to think about it, backtrack, backtrack,
backtrack. Come to think about it, I think
the US just sucked at cryptology.
Because now that I think about it, not true.
Not true. Hold on, Hold on.
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Hold on. No, no, no.
I used to think the same, Joey, but hear me out.
At first, it's like, damn, the Japanese were really good at
cryptology, right? Like, that's a thing.
That's a thing. That's a known thing in U.S.
history. But yeah.
Yeah. But so were the Germans.
Hold on. OK, OK.
Wait a second. So are the Soviets.
Wait. If everybody else is good at
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cryptology, I think that means we're bad.
You're bad at. At code breaking, yeah.
Think about it for a second. During all, during the whole
war, it's like that. We had to do this because like
they were so good. But then you go listen to shit
about in the Pacific and it's like, man, we had to do this
because they were so good. I think we just sucked.
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I I I just don't think we had the.
This blew my mind. I'm sorry.
We had the people because we were very isolationist right
before the war. We weren't so.
We just didn't. Think yeah, we didn't think
about it and we can have. Excuses eventually, yes, but we
can have excuses. But the fact is we kind of
sucked, apparently, because every country involved in the
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war, we were like, damn, they were.
We also sucked at espionage too,but that changed after the war
as well. I mean we the war literally the
World War 2 literally taught us everything.
We caught up real. Quick.
Which is sad in some ways, but this guy was so good that he got
an award from both sides. In 1944.
He was given the Iron Cross second class from Nazi Germany
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because of their contributions to his cause and that it was an
award literally only given to people who fought on the
battlefield. Adolf Hitler himself had to OK
this award given to Juan. Did you hear about what he did
to the bridge? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
'Cause they thought he was stillworking for them, that's how
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good he was. And then in November 1944, he
was given the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire
award for from the British because his actual contributions
of helping full to Nazis. So he got one from both sides,
which is. Great.
Was he living in Lisbon the whole time?
He ended up moving to London. OK.
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So yeah, OK. I thought, I thought the whole
time he's just in this like tropical paradise and he's just
like, this is great. Until about 1943, because they
started worrying about him getting caught and they're like,
OK, maybe he's going to get caught and the Nazis are
actually going to start catchingon.
That he's not in London, that he's not in London where he says
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he's supposed to be. And we're not helping him.
But yeah, well, and in 1945, thewar ended and the Nazis were
defeated. Obviously a lot of the history
there, but there was still a lotof surviving Nazis.
And eventually they were going to figure out he was basically a
turncoat on them and a double agent.
This is where the faking his owndeath comes in there again.
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Yeah, they actually had code named Tim Alaric.
The the Germans Nazis had code named him Alaric.
And in 1948, MI 5 decided to help Juan hide his own trail
because they also feared the Nazis would look for reprises
against the Allied spies. And especially because he was
just traveling. Now he just started traveling.
He's like, cool, I'm done. Well, Juan went on a trip to
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Angola and then MI 5 spread the rumor that he had caught malaria
and died. Nice.
Yeah, so he had faked his own death with the help of MI 5, and
he actually moved to Venezuela and ran a bookstore in a gift
shop because he was like, I justwant to live a nice, simple life
after this. Yeah.
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That's. Incredibly pretty much just
lived out his days in anonymity.Honestly, it was nice until the
British government in 1971 did adeep dive into the heroes of
World War 2 and they eventually found some of Juan's family
alive and then tracked down Juanhimself.
They were looking him up becauseone of the people in Parliament
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saw that somebody was tricking the Nazis.
And MI 5 didn't list his name. They didn't list who it was.
They didn't list his address or anything.
So he had to backtrack and eventually found Juan Juan's
family. And they're like, hey, this
guy's still alive. Like, he didn't kill himself
because they had found, like, OKoh, he found Juan's name
eventually. And then he was like, oh, he
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killed himself, no big deal, Youknow, whatever.
And then he found some of his family.
He was like, hey, can I talk to you about your father?
And they're like, yeah, my dad'sstill alive.
And he's like, oh, shit, really?That's awesome.
Can I talk to him? And so eventually they did a
huge phone interview with him and they wrote a book about him,
which eventually was Reese, but eventually was released in 1985
(37:27):
called Operation Garbo, which was his his name, Agent Garbo.
He went to Normandy and had likea nice little visit, like on the
100th year anniversary. I think like that not the 100th
year anniversary. It was something like the 50th
anniversary of Normandy. And he eventually passed away in
1988 as a national hero in Britain.
Yeah. So yeah, he did fake his own
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death, and then he eventually died.
But I thought that guy's story was so cool because he was just
like this random guy that took it upon himself to be a freaking
hero of Britain and basically fooled the Nazis.
Yeah. It works.
Still don't trust him only basedoff his own terms, which is I'm
not Lionel 10. He's.
He just went. With anybody tells you that,
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yeah, if anybody tells you that,you should literally just
believe them. Don't argue with them.
That's that is, yeah, that is like, all right, OK, All right.
Our second story today is about a man named Alfredo Sanchez.
It's a bit more recent than our last almost World War 2 Spanish
Civil War era story. Alfredo Sanchez was born in
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Ecuador and had immigrated to the UK for a better life.
Unfortunately, he did not find what he was looking for.
It kind of happened, yeah. Shit.
He had gotten a job at a music retail store, HMV, as a web
developer, but he really couldn't rise to where he wanted
to be. What year was this?
2007. OK, gotcha.
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I was like, no, what? That's why I said it's a little
bit more recent. That's my fault. 2007, yeah.
No, no, you're good. You're good, you're good.
I was just like, wait, what is this?
Is this current events? You're just like reading
Twitter. Like, yeah, actually yesterday.
Shit. He married a woman named Sophie
who went together. They decided to hatch a little
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plan. They were both massively,
massively in debt in credit cards and loans they had taken
out. And I did a lot of research and
I just could not find what they were buying and taking loans out
for. I really think it was they were
living beyond their because I was like, why?
What are they buying? I was like jet skis.
Are they trying to buy like, youknow, like they're in the UK?
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In a crippling Pez to scare likeaddiction.
I was like, forget the full StarWars set.
Yeah. Sophie, his wife, told HMV, his
employer, that Alfredo had a heart attack when he was
visiting his home country, Ecuador.
He had too much Alfredo. In Ecuador and that he had
subsequently. Been cremated.
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So there was no body, honestly. Char broiled air fryer.
It's my Ecuadorian accent. Ecuadorian listeners hit us up
at contact at Blackhead dot report.
Let us know if that's accurate. HMV honestly.
Awesomely paid for Sophie to flydown to Ecuador and for her
hotel so that she could be thereto mourn and for the and to meet
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the family and to like talk. And it was really nice of them.
I was like, damn, that's pretty cool.
Funny enough, Fredo had literally just put down a
massive life insurance policy before he left for Ecuador.
What are the odds? Sophie, upon her return back to
the UK, provided the insurance company and his work as
Certificate of death and a cremation certificate.
She then received the death payment of 112K pounds.
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She then also cashed out the life insurance policy, which
totaled about £1,000,000. Oh yeah.
Huge. Yeah.
She then left the country, flying to.
Australia a little quick it. Was just like, ah, cool, I'm
taking the money. Yeah, very quick.
She then got remarried after shehad left the UK to a man named
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Hugo Jose Sanchez. Alfredo had changed his name and
then remarried his wife. They also had four kids.
So I'm trying to figure out thisis a beautiful story to their
kids. Everything's the same, but now
we have an Australian accent that's Dirty Sanchez, real Dirty
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Sanchez. Well, they were living out their
good life, spending all the money they received a one tiny,
tiny thing would unravel this whole charade the.
Last name Sanchez? Exactly.
Which is almost similar when Alfredo worked at HMV right?
They would they gave him a discount card and upon his death
he gave his discount card to oneof his.
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Really good for hits. When the friend took the
discount card to buy an Elvis CD, he was probably found out
and then kicked out of the store.
They banned this friend from thestore because they're like,
that's not yours, That's Sanchez's one, that's Alfredo
Sanchez. It's like there's like a small
memorial in the background with candles that are lit and like
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there's still a bunch of like tissues in a trash can next to
it. They're just so mourning their
loss of their web guy. Yeah, yeah.
Literally man. Seriously though, like every
time the emails, every time dude.
Every. Every time I forgot my e-mail,
he always remembered the name ofmy elementary school, of my
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favorite cat's name and my stepmother's favorite ice cream.
He always remembered it. You know, like, yes, Alfredo was
the pest. The whole company was in
mourning. They were in mourning.
No one could remember their passwords because web people.
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This might sound dumb but as a web person for companies I can
tell you, you get hit up for people's private e-mail
passwords. The amount of times I've had
clients hit me up over the yearsand say, hey, do you know my
Gmail password? And I'm like, no, I just work on
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your website. Where the fuck would I know your
Gmail password? They're like, I don't know.
We always talk through Gmail andI'm like, and where the hell
would I know your e-mail password?
This is This is a. Constant thing back to e-mail.
Yeah, yeah, it's literally. Yeah, sure, let me hack your
fucking e-mail real quick. I'll get it back for you.
Yeah, yeah. Hold on, it's extra.
After this, HMV sent this information to the pension
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auditors, basically the people that gave the insurance money
effort to them for the death. The auditors opened an inquiry
and they looked at his death certificate and found Alfredo's
fingerprints on his own death certificate.
That's complicated. That's very complicated.
Yeah, it's a complicated one. Exactly.
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So in 2007, a full arrest warrant went out for Sophie and
Alfredo because the pension auditors were like, they're
alive. Yeah, it was found they were
living in Australia. So they waited until somebody
came back. Sophie came back to the UK in
2010 and was literally arrested upon entering the country.
She came back for her sister's wedding having no idea there was
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an arrest warrant. Oh yeah, that's rough.
When she was questioned, she admitted her husband Alfredo,
was still alive and they had committed fraud.
She literally just was like, allright, jig is up, I'm going to
jail. She was sentenced to jail for
two years. OK.
Meanwhile, Alfredo just lived itup in Australia for a few years,
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not caring about his wife being in jail.
He lived it up with their kids, their three kids, and was like,
I don't care, it's fine, no big deal.
Alfredo opened up a tattoo shop that was eventually firebombed 2
times because of biker gangs andhe had to close down, no doubt.
What the fuck it was? That was just a random mention.
I was just like, what the fuck? God damn well.
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Eventually, he was able to be arrested and extradited to the
UK in 2011. So his wife was still in jail at
that time. And when he arrived in the UK,
he was asked by reporters about his wife.
And he claimed that in quotations she was staying with
relatives in Britain, pretty much sweeping under the rug that
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she was in jail for fraud. And to this day, he's still
like, I didn't, I didn't do fraud.
I didn't commit fraud. I'm not, I'm not Alfredo
Sanchez. I didn't commit fraud.
That's not me. Yeah, I'm not Alfredo Sanchez.
I'm Hugo Jose Sanchez, who happens to let how many
Sanchez's live in Australia? I'm sorry but that is not a
common fucking name in Australia.
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No, Ecuador you could Australia.Yeah, you could easily get away
with that in any North or South America.
Not in fucking Australia. I I can't imagine there's a
large Espanola population in Australia.
Nope. Well, he was tried and given
five years in prison in 2012, sofeasibly they are both out of
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jail actually right now. I hope so.
Yeah, well, the insurance companies sure showed them the
Ecuador. Well, our third and last story
today of people who faked their own death is the interesting
story of Marion Franklin Rogers or Connie Franklin.
Both names apply. It's a very interesting case
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because the person who died eventually testified at their
own murder trial. OK, All right.
I feel like it's some paranormalcircles seances, if you will,
this is acceptable. So we'll we'll see how this
goes. And January of 1929, a man named
Connie Franklin came into a towncalled Saint James in Arkansas.
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He applied and got a job cuttingtimber and also got a job as a
farm hand doubling up his work double fisting work as some
would. Say, double fisting the wood, he
was out there just handling all of the wood in whatever
direction it came. He was stroking that timber till
it fell. Broke in the timber and broke in
the wood and just get he was outthere.
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God, I appreciate this man. He was 29 years old and he did
things like a 29 year old wood at the time.
He was a man about town. Somehow with two different jobs.
He was literally a man about town.
He found time to get around townand go talk to people right?
Instead of saying he was 29, which his actual age was, he
claimed he was 22 years old justto seem a bit more hip and
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younger. He'd go out to the town and meet
all the girls right as a stupid,but he fell in love with a 16
year old girl named Tiller Ruminar.
This is pragmatic. Yeah, a little bit.
I mean, 1929 it is problematic now.
Wasn't problematic then. Yeah, and honestly, back then
she was basically a spinster. Like he was just like, you're
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lucky I'll date you 16 year old because frankly, like, is that
a, is that a, is that a grey coming in over there?
God, you know if it wasn't for me faking being 22 then you
would be out of luck. No, that was just dust on my
shoulder. Oh, it looked like a Gray hair.
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Literally. In the same year they met, they
decided that they were going to go to the justice of the peace
and get married. OK, It's like a whirlwind
romance, right? Yeah, yeah.
Well, they met in January and this happened December.
Yeah, you're right. Well, while they're on their way
to the justice of the peace, they were waylaid by local
ruffians. Hubert Hester, Herman Greenway,
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Joe White and Bill C Straight Eye Younger were the alleged
ruffians. These are 100% names of local
ruffians. Yeah, literally.
If you could you go down that list again like I can, I am
picturing baseball cards with each one of these people's faces
on it. What?
What do they stop? Right after I name one of them
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Hubert Hester. Hubert Hester, I've got nothing
to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
These are these are just ruffiannames.
Herman Greenway. Joe White.
Obviously a racist ruffian, yeah.
He is the most racist out of that group and Bill see straight
eye, younger straight eye. Younger.
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He's the old guy, I think. I feel like he's the oldest guy.
Yeah, well, Ruminar was taken and raped by Hester and
Greenway. All right, that's explains the
straight eye. Yep.
And Connie Franklin was taken byWhite and Younger into the woods
and tortured, mutilated and murdered.
Yeah. All right.
OK. So where's the thinking of the
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deaths here? Well, let's we're going to get
into that. Oh, OK, OK, sorry.
I just, yeah, you had me all built up with these, with these
folks, these young UNS. I had to.
I had to build you up. A little this spinster and this
young strapping man. Well, this was told by the
spenster Ruminar during the trial.
Because of the time Ruminar didn't actually report the
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attack. She was later forced to report
the crime by one of her friends.She didn't report the attack at
the first because she was like, she didn't want to say I was
raped and she didn't want to go through that whole trial and and
be embarrassed because it's 1920s.
It's not a good. It's, it's terrible that this is
viewed that way. But in the 1920s, that didn't
look good on the woman compared to what it looked like on the
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men. The men were actually arrested
and put to trial in December of 1929, with attorneys basically
pitting them all against each other to see who would rat on
the others. All of the men said they never
saw Connie Franklin of the day of his murder, but the
prosecutors thought they were all lying.
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OK, the police had never found abody.
There was no body of Connie Franklin.
So they only found a bloody hat out in the woods that seemingly
seemingly belonged to Connie Franklin.
And the only reason they said seemingly belonged to him is
because one of the ladies who was in the town that knew him
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was like, oh, that's his hat. That's his hat.
And they they're like, it must be his hat.
It must be his hat. There's some blood on this.
Well, because of this and the testimony of the attackers, they
actually put out a picture of Connie Franklin in the
newspapers to see if someone could ID him because they're
like, there's no body. And we don't think that maybe
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he's not dead. So he actually eventually was
found not too far from Saint James working on a farm.
And that he came back to Saint James and immediately he was put
on trial to find out his identity because the nobody in
the town besides a few people could ID him as Connie Franklin.
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Just funny. There was only a few people that
were like, that's Connie Franklin.
He was here. And he's like, I'm not Connie
Franklin. That's I'm not that person.
I'm Kenny Franklin. Funny, is Ruminar his ex fiance?
I guess name time they weren't even fiance.
Yeah, Ruminar testified that he also that he wasn't Connie
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Franklin. She looked at him and she's
like, no, it's not him. Any him?
They had found he was claiming to be Marion Franklin Rogers was
his name. Why do people always keep a part
of their real name? I know it helps with like name
recognition and shit but like you can't leave your name as
Sanchez when you fake your name and then move to a country where
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you are literally the only Sanchez.
Exactly. Like that just doesn't make
sense, people. This is why we do these yearly
educational episodes. Honestly, this is a public
service. We're trying to say, hey, we get
it. We know that you've had a long,
hard year and you're getting, you're looking at the the New
Year's resolutions that you're making up, you know, like God
(52:59):
damn, this fucking sucks. And like, I didn't do it last
year or the year before, but I know I should put it on my list
for this year. And you're just kind of looking
back. Look, before you get very
desperate, remember there is a healthy third option which is
fake your own fucking death. It's not illegal.
Right, it's not a, it is as. Joey has.
Always said it is literally not illegal to fake your own death,
(53:24):
so you should do it by our program.
By joining our patreonpatreon.com/blackhead RIP
more, you can learn how to fake your own death.
A great way to sell it well during the trial to figure out
whose man this was because basically they had to stop the
trial in general against the thewaylaid ruffians.
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They had to stop that trial and be like, wait a second, we got
to figure out if this is Connie Franklin because if it's it's
him, these guys are not guilty and they're like, shit, we got
to stop this. So they kind of stopped that
whole trial, brought Connie Franklin in and quotations
Connie Franklin in. They put them on, put them on
the put them in the stand, put them in the area and they said
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they brought up bones that were found in the woods.
The medical examiners said theseweren't his, and they couldn't
even say that they were human. Really hope it was fucking like
KFC chicken. Look at these bones we
discovered. It's just like clearly AKFC tub.
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It still seems our scientists have been doing the best work
they possibly can to remove thisdelicious delectable honey
covered buttermilk biscuit from the bones that we discovered in
this box here. Fun fact about bones.
So like they're a huge, huge practice of and God, to
(54:52):
bastardize this a whole bunch ofno comment after me.
All right, Just just appreciate the obscurity folks out there
that practice it. But there's a huge there's a
heavy practice of Santeria in inin Tampa, FL and in the
surrounding area and all all over Florida.
And there was always this funny game that we would play.
As you know, my friends and I when I lived there, which is
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when we go down to creeks and rivers and you would find
chicken bones all over by a Creek and river.
You never knew if somebody was actively practicing Santeria or
they had just eaten KFC. Wow.
You're like, if I touch that, I'm cursed.
Or maybe somebody just got the five for five deal.
(55:33):
I can never tell. But Curse is worth it.
I'm cursed. I'm cursed.
Yeah. Curse is worth it.
Yeah, I'm curious. Curse is worth it.
I'm cursed. Exactly.
Eventually, Connie Franklin, or his real name, Marion Franklin
Rogers, started testifying that he was indeed one in the same
(55:54):
and that he was not murdered. OK, He's like, I'm just OK, you
got me. Connie Franklin, I love, I know
that in court they did it this way where it was just like they
just kept bragging up Connie Franklin where they're like, are
you the same Connie Franklin whois presumed to have a 25 inch
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ultra super thick cock, has madelove to more women than God has
ever seen and has turned more virgins into happily wed single
mothers than any man alive. Are you the same God?
It's like literally going down the list whose color, whose
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identification of colors is better than any man's on the
planet. Are you the same Connie?
That's me once. That is me.
I am one and the same. Finally.
OK. All right, you guys, I.
Am that I am that guy. Got him.
Got him. I knew it.
Judge. Throw the book at him.
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We knew it. Well, what's funny is the
prosecution and the defendant, the lawyers, they were brothers.
Well, he claimed, Connie Franklin claimed that during the
evening that Ruminar was taken and raped, he had been out
drinking with the defendants on the day of the murder and had
fallen off. His mule.
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That'll do it every time. He had not seen Ruminar until
the following day, and that day Ruminar came to Connie or Marion
and said she wanted to move the wedding farther out.
After that she was like, I don'twant to get married.
Let's let's move it out. I'm like getting cold feet in
the way, he said. If you don't marry me right now,
you will never see me again. To which she said goodbye and
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then he immediately left. Out.
OK, bye. Yeah, OK.
A red flag. Literally red flag.
Yep. I respect her.
I respect her for just being like, all right, fuck you.
She set her boundaries. And he was like, well, I want
what I want. And she's like, what?
I don't want that, so goodbye. Bye.
Yeah. He was like, all right, have a
good one. Well, no shit, that was a
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healthy. This new testimony, the original
trial, which was for the murder of Connie Franklin, who came
back with a verdict of not guilty for all the men.
And to be fair, I don't honestlyknow what happened with the rape
of Ruminar, his fiance. Literally nothing happened with
that. There was no trial.
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There was nothing that came up about it.
They just let it go. Right.
For the time period. Yeah, for the time period.
Yeah. And it's terrible.
Well, they started researching into this guy, Marian Franklin
Rogers, right? They're just like, OK, we kind
of got to find out who this guy actually is.
They found matching military records that said he had been
drafted into the military in 1926.
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OK, kind of Bunny. Then subsequently, five days
later, he was admitted into the Arkansas State Mental Hospital.
All right, this is not going well.
No, he escaped from the ArkansasState Mental Hospital 2 weeks
later. Oh.
God, I'm sorry people of Arkansas, you've been through
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enough. Yeah, he went to the town and
then met her. That's not all.
Nope. Because before he went into the
military, well, and still throughout this time he was
actually married and had three children who he also just
abandoned. It was like a thing for men for
a really long time. I mean, still happens.
Yeah, I know. But it's like it's not the same.
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It's just kind of. Like get away with it then now
they track it down. You can be tracked down much
easier. Yeah, now people have to get on
Facebook. Honestly, just don't get on
Facebook. You'll be fine.
And that's how he found himself roaming the streets of Saint
James, Arkansas, and faking his own death.
Hell yeah. Thank you for listening to New
Year New YOU volume. 33 year newme yeah.
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As we go into 2025 and honestly,Gil and I cannot wait to get
into 2025 because this year has been kind of shitty to be fair.
Yes, Jesus Christ, this year is fucking sucked.
With whatever the new year brings, Gil and I have so many
new things coming for you. We want you to please because or
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We have so much we want to give to you.
Seriously, it's free. You don't have to pay anything
you really don't have to. We have so much cool stuff
that's specifically just on Patreon for free because we just
wanted one place to where we cancontact and build a community
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through and Patreon's easiest way to do all this stuff.
So me and Gil decided, and we'refucking tired of coming up with
1520 different sizes of a video,styles of video, hashtags, just
to put it on a put it on something for the one person we
found on Blue Sky, for the 10 people we found on Instagram.
You know, like if you guys come to us, you get all this cool
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stuff. It's much easier there.
Anyways, it's an easy app. They're really editing the app
and making it really, really nice and we love it.
We're just trying to get everybody in one space and you
can come chat with us. Gil is almost literally on the
app talking to people probably 24/7.
That's something I wanted to say, man.
And thank you. Thank you.
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For bringing that. Up.
Yeah. So we actually use the community
chat feature that has popped up on Patreon as of I think like a
month ago popped up on there. You're so glad for all of our
early adopters. This is a thing with the new
year, new US, is that we are pushing everybody towards
Patreon for all the reasons thatJoey outlines.
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But the main reason that we're trying to get you out there is
because, hey, if you're listening to this episode now,
five months from now, 10 years into the future, and you hop on
to Patreon, we're going to be there in the chat.
That's the reality of it is You can hop on.
You can chat directly with us. Let us know what you think about
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can't touch soft things or else I lose my voice.
It's cat toy. Anyways, where was I?
Anyways, enough about Patron andall that jazz.
We got some cool shit coming up.We have a lot of things that are
patron exclusives. Sorry I had to say it one last
time. You guys are the best.
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Really hope that you have a fucking fantastic new year.
New fear, yes, and and all the great and good things and some
of the bad things, but we hope you get incredible lessons from
them. Love you all.
We love you. Bye.
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I just wanted to ask that if you're liking this episode,
please consider taking a moment to rate and review us on
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Might seem like a small request,but every review counts and goes
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deliver more of what you'd like.Joey and I would sincerely
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appreciate it.
The calendar changes, the winterweather sustains.
What are your resolutions? Full of hope, full of readiness
for a new way of life. It's the promise of a new year
for the promise of a change. A change that could get you
caught or get you a new life. Money, fame, love,
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righteousness, anything could come.
So forge those documents, open that bank account, throw away
your family, and make sure you don't get caught as you prepare
to fake your own death. I didn't see you there.
It all started early this morning.
From hunting ghosts to Bigfoot UFOs.
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Cryptids, true crime, paranormaland more.
I always wanted to see a. UFOs.
Oh, I was, I was researching foryour entertainment.
That's Bigfoot's guess. He basically wrote the book on
Monarch. We aren't really comedians.
What if Buddha did cocaine the Addams?
Family on meth. This is the Black Cat report.
See you on the other side. Good New Year, almost new year,
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and today is our not really new yearly edition of New Year New
you welcome to the Black Cat Report in episode 118.
I'm Joey, and with me is the most enigmatic host of all, the
best interviewer since Geraldo Rivera, and the most generous
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man since Oprah Gil. Hello everybody.
Joey, thank you for that incredible introduction and I
gladly accept all those titles and awards.
Shower me. Shower me with them.
Shower the awards on you. Well this will be our third year
doing new year, new you and and around the new year the last two
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years before this when we did people who faked their own
deaths. And honestly this year can't
really change that. Gotta keep it the same 'cause
it's what we gonna do this year,baby tradition.
Maybe we'll change it up one day.
Like hell, I don't know. When we run out of people that
fake their own deaths, we'll we'll change it up.
I don't know that I don't think there's a shortage to people
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faking their own deaths, do you?At that point, we'll start
making content for episode. I like it.
AIAI baby. That's not what I mean, but
I'll. Write.
But I mean, allegedly, yes, a allegedly alleged intelligence.
Well, I generally think the ideaof faking people's own deaths is
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hilarious because honestly, mostpeople get caught.
Though two years ago we did haveone person, L Gunness, who did
not necessarily get caught because she kind of escaped.
And then she died before I thinkshe went on trial in like the
1970s or something like that, 1960s.
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And somebody said that they thought it was her, but she died
right before she could be arraigned to go on trial.
And I was like that spell Gunness.
That spell gunness for you? Yeah.
And in our second year, we had aprofessional wrestler, Mr. X or
Jerry Bib Ballesock, decide thathe wanted to try and start a new
life in a different country and try to cash in some insurance
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scam money. But he got caught.
Yeah, people who try to scam theinsurance companies generally
get caught. Because if you think how hard it
is to get money for your insurance when it's actually
legitimate, think about how hardit is to get money when it's not
legitimate. It's enough to lead you to a
McDonald's in Altoona. That's what I say.
Golly, exactly. And I want to say favorite story
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was that of the legitimately awesome businessman Timothy
Dexter, who, because he was not of high society ilk in the
United States, kept getting jokes played on him by the other
higher elite. And with these joke ideas, he
actually turned those joke ideasinto legitimately great
businesses. The only bad thing he did, and
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kind of this kind of like, erases his whole goodness, was
he abused his wife after she acted like he wasn't dead at his
own funeral. And that's how he kind of
flipped out. Yeah.
That's how people found out thathe faked his own death.
His wife was laughing and jokingaround with the guests at the
funeral. And he came in and was like,
what the. What the fuck?
Why aren't you being sad? And they're all like, looking at
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him like, you're supposed to be dead.
You dead. Yeah.
Why aren't you dead? And he's like, damn, it, almost
had it, Almost got him. Well, if you want to listen to
those two episodes, our previousnew year in the years, you can
listen to episode 39. And the other one is episode 78.
Well, Gil, you ready to get? Some stories.
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I've been stoked all week. Honestly, I've been stoked all
year. Yes, Yes, I am, Joey.
Hell yeah. Well.
The first person who I'm kind oftrying to take after dressing up
like and trying to get the good,you know, get into the body of
this because this guy's legitimately awesome, right?
Hell yeah. The first person who faked their
own death today and that we're going to get into is a man named
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Juan Pujol Garcia. Or as was his secret agent name,
Agent Garbo. I don't know if you've heard of
this guy, Gil, have you? Not at all.
Pretty cool. Dude, I just keep thinking about
the joke of one more time. One more time.
Oh, yeah. No, that's a song.
No, no, no, no. That's also a song.
One. One more.
No, not no. The joke.
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One more time. Never mind.
It'll it'll be relevant soon. Does he?
One more time. He comes back.
One more time. He this guy does well.
Juan Garcia was born in Barcelona in February of 1912.
Juan's father was a Catalan who owned a cotton factory.
His mother was a devout Catholicand a strict disciplinarian.
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Kind of goes hand in hand right there, right?
He has. When he turned 7, he was sent to
a boarding school, kind of like most Catholics are in their
young days anyways. And it was said that I didn't
like it very much. Like that's surprising.
Yes, right, right. Surprising going as a Catholic
he. Didn't want to try it one more
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time. No, he did not want to try it
one more time. And even once more.
But he came back one more time. I mean, it's cool.
Not many people like school. I like writing, and I even hated
school. We all did.
You know something about the ritual of getting up every
morning and being forced to groggily sit through class that
you hated with people that also suck?
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It's enough to get Joey as pissed as he does about post
offices, in a good way. I do like post offices in a good
way. Yeah, I know.
It should say not as pissed. It's enough to get Joey as
passionate. Worked up.
Yeah, worked up. Worked up.
That's right. Worked up.
Yeah. I mean, I love post offices.
I even went down a rabbit hole of God, of getting of of looking
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up reviews of post offices. Start fast forwarding.
Yeah, you got to. Well.
Anyways, he was stuck at school.He wasn't allowed to leave.
People were only allowed to visit him on Sundays, which, in
fact, his father actually did. Every Sunday, his father came
up, never missing a week, which is super nice.
He'd bring him food. He'd sit and talk with him and
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the other kids, you know, their fathers didn't come.
And he was like, I'm just going to come hang out with the sun.
I like my son. The dad was pretty liberal.
You know, he's like, he's prettyliberal.
He's pretty open minded. He was a good person.
He was like the opposite of the mom, who was like, strict,
disciplinary and strict. Like, you have to do this.
Everything is like, everything is, is coordinated for you.
This is your line. Yeah.
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Well, after four years of that boarding school, he eventually
transferred to a new school and he stayed there for three more
years, which then he decided again, this is not for me.
I'm I'm not a school cut going person.
He then left school and apprenticed at a hardware store.
Kind of did. Like most of us in our 20s and
literally the 1920s, he bounced around from job to job studying
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animal husbandry, running various businesses and animal
husbandry. Husbandry meaning he didn't
marry the the animals. In the biblical sense.
In the biblical sense, yeah. In the biblical thing, because
they were Catholics, they had, they had, they had to.
Emily had to get all the animalsmarried before truth.
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Yeah. I mean, the animals, yeah.
They had little cute little, cute little, little little
dresses for the cows in there and just be like, oh Betsy.
I just I just picture, I pictureone like officiating every
single ceremony is just like every time I say I'm not going
to cry, but God, even a can. It's like I'm giving away my
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daughter. It's like I'm every day away
every time. A little doggy Donner.
Well, as well as studying animalhusbandry, he started running
various businesses. He also worked at the cinema.
Just kind of odd jobs here and there, just doing random stuff.
20s that's what it's for. Well.
Hey, you need a toothpick? Got a toothpick for you.
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Hey, look at that salt packet. Fell on the ground and I got it.
My name's Juan. Do odd jobs.
They call him Juan Jobs. All right.
I'll see you later. Goodbye.
It's just a just a card. That says that that.
Says Juan Job. Juan Job, it's like doesn't even
have a number to call, doesn't even.
Have one more I. Don't know where to get find him
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I'll. Find this one more thing.
Wait, what year was this? This is the 1920s.
OK, no, what was? There we go.
This is the 1920s. Damn, so this is like damn.
So this is actually during the Spanish Revolution though.
Right before it. Yeah, but like, yeah, right on
the fucking lead up with Franco and the Spanish Revolution.
Damn, shit was getting trippy. OK.
So it was getting crazy. 1936 iswhen the Spanish Revolution
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happens. What it Yeah, it was, it was.
There was some real crazy stuff happened.
Before it was. Building up, but 36 is like the
legitimate beginning of the Spanish revolution.
Yeah, in in Spanish civil war. Yeah, exactly.
Well, in 1931, his father passedaway right before the Spanish
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Civil War. Kind of dodged that bullet.
Well, his father left the cottonfactory business to his sons and
he left them pretty well provided for.
Honestly. He was like, here's a bunch of
money. My cotton factory business is
doing great. Here you go.
Well, this would all be taking away during the beginning of the
Spanish Civil War. Yeah, sounds about right.
The country took it all away from them.
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They took the cotton factory andthey divided it out to everybody
else, which is just kind of partof how the war was working, how
everybody's doing, and it was just getting fought over.
I kind of want to delve into theSpanish Civil War just for a
second to give you the history of it.
It's not a lot just because it'sa huge, huge thing that I don't
want to delve too much into because.
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I can make. We're going to it.
You can make 6. Episodes about it.
Yeah, we will. But just to give you a little a
little overview so we can kind of get into his head of how he
was living at this time. Spanish Civil War is basically
there was a revolution led by nationalists who are backed by
Nazi Germany and Italy, led by General Francisco Franco.
It was not a it was not a revolution.
He was elected into office. He revolted 1st to take over the
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the Republic. Yeah, but Franco took the
election I'm. Gonna let you do your version
of. History.
No, it's true. It was a military coup at first,
and then the communists had to come back and try to take.
Over that was anarchists, the anarchists and a few communists.
They were anarchists, yeah. They were a majority.
Yeah, sorry. We're gonna.
We're gonna. Fight on this because this is
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it. This is one of the biggest
things in the anarchists like history was a working,
functioning anarchist society. It was around for three years
until Mussolini, Franco and Hitler all teamed up to destroy
the fuck out of out of an anarchist region of the world
that was actually functioning incredibly well.
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There wasn't there was a region in there.
Yes, the the the first part of. That was but.
Yeah, the Republic was the original was the original people
who led they were the Republic was the beginning of with Spain
right after the monarchy fell and everything can eventually
became a Republic. It was led by Francisco
Cavallaro. He eventually came through was
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he was voted in Francisco and the military started a military
coup work through. Then Francisco got elected.
Francisco Franco got elected, but they were backed by Italy
and Nazi Germany. The Republic was not was backed
by the Soviet Union, the UK and basically the allies.
Everyone was just like, we got to back any.
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It's basically like we're doing in a freaking we're doing in a
like Venezuela and every other country in South America.
We're going in and being like, here's some money.
We want you to win. Good luck.
You know, and we're sending people and the anarchists were
sending in people too, to kind of be like, hey, US people are
coming in being like, let's fight them.
You know, we're like, hey, send people over.
Don't say they're United States people.
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We don't want to look like we'rein this war right now.
Well, in 1931, Juan did his mandatory military service,
which was at the time in Spain. He had to have a mandatory
military service. He went into the 7th Regiment of
Light Artillery. Again, Juan hated doing this and
kind of is like a thing. He hates doing everything.
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I want to say he's just like, I just hate everything.
Well, he said this military service isn't for me.
He also weirdly said he hated horse riding and that he lacked
the essential qualities of loyalty, generosity and honor.
I would love to see this dude's dating profile.
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My name is Juan. I hate long walks on the beach.
Chocolate. I hate chocolate Vanilla.
I hate vanilla too. I lack all the necessary
requirements for a committed long term relationship.
To be honest, I'll probably get bored within 15 minutes of
showing up on our date, even if I am interested in it.
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I love odd jobs. It definitely hit me up.
juanjobs.com. Go find me over there.
You got something that fell on the ground.
I'd love to do it. My name's Juan.
Anything that's expected of me, well, I won't be around, but.
I hate it. There's probably there.
There's probably a punchline here.
I don't know where I'm going with this.
My name's Juan. Please don't.
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Please don't swipe left. Please don't wait.
Swipe right. It's been a while.
Well, by the time I'm done, you'll say one more time, one
more time. Well, his essential qualities
that he lacked would make him kind of perfect for his future
endeavors. Once he finished his compulsory
military service, he ended up running a poultry farm.
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And in 1936, literally right at the beginning of the Spanish
Civil War, he was basically justhanging out with his girlfriend,
which somebody did swipe right on him.
So he kind of got lucky. She did it one time.
I said OK, exactly. She said, hey, baby, one more
time. And I just, you know, we've went
with that ever since then. Herbert officiated the wedding.
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It was beautiful, I cried. I cried.
I always cry. Well, he listened to the radio
basically like everyone was doing it at the time, finding
out all the news, hearing that literally neighbor were killing
neighbor and not just because oftheir viewpoints in the war, but
because some people just wanted to settle old scores.
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And it was huge. And and you know, like you just
said, talked about earlier aboutthat, you know, like the anti
fascist going and and stealing the guns of all the fascist
supporters. It's like it's true but a lot of
people were like damn I don't even support politics but
fucking hate my neighbor. I don't think anybody would
notice if I killed him. Pretty much.
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Well I mean like a country doesn't get to the point of open
rebellion and revolution withoutthere being some tension amongst
folks like. Exactly.
And that's just, it doesn't matter where or when it takes
place in history. Like there's not an open
rebellion unless neighbors are pissed at neighbors.
So like, that's just what you need.
That's the main ingredient. Exactly.
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You got to hate, get people to hate each other.
He was really scared because as he said earlier, oh shit, he
hated the military. He like, fucking hated being in
the military. I mean, and to be honest, he
hated doing a lot of things, buthe really hated the military.
And the Republic Army called up all officers.
And which is funny because he left the military as a
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Lieutenant even though he hated it.
He went through one course and they said if you go through this
course, you can become an officer.
And he was like trying to be an officer.
Yeah, exactly. I'd rather be an officer than
just regular enlisted men. So yeah, well, because he hated
the military and he didn't fit in there, he decided to go on
the run and he just left. He deserted, basically deserted
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the Republic Army because they called everybody up.
And not too long after that he was arrested by the Republic
Army because he deserted from the military.
Hello, my name is twice. Who?
I'm only going to say it once. We got him.
We got him, damn it. Well, after a few months of
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sitting in jail waiting to be freed, he was eventually freed
by the Socorro Bianco, who were the Anarchist Syndicus Trade
Union, who had forged his papersto show he was too old to serve
in the military, which also the Anarchist Syndicus Trade Union
were going in and freeing so many.
Basically they were going in andand freeing political
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dissidents. It's kind of funny.
Put that in quotations because both sides had their dissidents
and you were they would they would free both sides because
they were like, well, if you're throwing them in jail, they must
hate them. And they would go back to the
other side, the Republic side and be like, well, they're in
jail. We got to forge papers for them
too. So they were going and just
trying to help as many people asthey can, because some people
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are like, I don't want to serve in the military.
I don't not a military person for an in jail.
You know, it's kind of how it works in a civil war.
The moment straight to jail. They also eventually saved his
family too, because they had also been arrested and treated
terribly. Well, he was in terrible shape
because he was in hiding for so long after he got freed from
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jail. And he was treated honestly
pretty badly by both sides of the war because one side, the
Republican side, had put him in jail and the other side was also
seeking him out to try and kill him or also put him in jail.
So he was just on the run from both.
Yeah, he couldn't. Like he couldn't go anywhere.
So he got stuck in a hotel cell room.
The Anarcho syndicalist trade union put him in to in this
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little hotel and they're like, OK, sorry bud, but you can't
leave. They know your face.
People are looking for you, bothsides looking for you.
We're going to get you as much food as we can.
Well, he got super sick sitting in this one because he couldn't
go anywhere. He couldn't go outside, he
couldn't exercise and he lost 20kilos, which is a lot of weight.
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And so he's definitely sickly. It's like 50 lbs, isn't it?
20 kilos. 5060 lbs Cuz 2.2 lbs in a kilo.
Yeah, about 2.2 * 20. Yeah, it's a lot of weight.
Yeah. In three weeks, which is crazy.
Fuck that. Well, he decided he was like, he
was like, hey, man, F it. Yeah, he's actually gonna do
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some good in the world. He's like, screw this.
I'm tired of just sitting here. And so he goes.
I'm gonna hatch a plan and try to get to France, right, 'cause
he's like, I need to move. And this is still before World
War 2 started. So Germany is still be in
Germany and they're just posturing knots or Hitler's
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consolidating his. Poland starting to sweat just a
little. Poland starting to sweat.
They're looking at both sides ofthem and they're like, I think
that Hitler made a pact with theSoviet Union.
Hitler and Stalin made a pact that's probably not very good.
Yeah, that's not very good. We're screwed.
Yeah. We're right in the middle.
Yeah, we're screwed. Well, still, nobody is still in
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the middle of the Civil war. So he's still, you know, still
stuff's going on. France is still free.
So his first step was basically volunteering for the Republican
Army because he already was, like, got drafted by them,
dodged him, got arrested by them.
He's like, OK, maybe I can use them to get over the border.
And with his new forged papers was enlisted as there was
desperate need for people on thefront lines, which to be fair,
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he did not want to go there. He wanted to do other things.
But he went to military trainingagain anyways because he had no
loyalty and just wanted to live.He eventually changed sides and
then went over to the nationalist soldier side.
And there's this whole part of it where he literally, they're
in a ditch, right? The the Republican Army was in a
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ditch and they were sitting on one side.
The Nationalist army was on the other side in another ditch.
And the Nationalist army supported by Hitler, supported
by Mussolini. They're eating good.
They're eating food. They're sitting warm.
And the other side, he was sitting there like, oh, man, we
don't have enough food. We're like running out of we're
running out everything right? Yeah.
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And so he goes to him, him and afew other buds are like, shit,
we got a we need to change sides.
And so he literally grabbed three hand grenades.
He was like, just in case, just in case something happens and I
need to make a quick exit, hand grenades will do.
So they crawled through these ditches, like basically crawled
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through on their hands and kneesto get over to the other side.
And they just hear, you know, like they hear a gun like load
or like the, the, the bolt load.And there's like, oh shit, they
found us. And then he's a gunshot go off,
a couple gunshots, and he's like, shit, they're gonna kill
us before we get over there. And luckily, as soon as he
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turned around, there was a nationalist soldier right behind
him being like, put your hands up.
And then took them in there. And they were like, hey, we're
trying to change sides. We wanna follow you guys.
And then they're like, OK, they gave them a bunch of weird.
They gave them a bunch of food and they're like, oh, shit food.
And they like scarf the food down.
They're like, damn, we haven't had food in like a couple days.
And so they're like, oh God, we're all good.
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They get tortured to get information and they're just
like, fuck, we'd said the wrong thing.
But eventually after, like I think it was after a week, the
nationalists were like, are you really sure you want to change
sides? Like you're we're going to put
you in our army. We also need people to fight.
And we don't really care. You're just going to die anyway.
So it doesn't matter. So they took them into their
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army. They got, they got stuck in the
army right on the front line. And what's funny is he actually
survived the war fighting for the Nationals.
So he got lucky his all of his other friends died, all the
other the three other friends ended up dying on the frontline.
This kind of goes along the lineof a remember how I said that?
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You know, he said he was never loyal so.
Yeah, yeah, you got to kind of be a shit bag.
Those are also like hugely, hugely different ideologies,
like the diametrically opposed. So to just go over there for
some ramen, even if you are starving, you weren't down for
the cause to begin with. Man.
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Now he doesn't care about it. Well, it said something that he
already had dodged the war. Yeah, he already tried to dodge
it in the beginning, got arrested, then went in there
because he needed money. Even when he dodged the war in
the anarchist side, they were still like, and we'll put you up
in a hotel room and take care ofyou.
But like, because the anarchistswere like, we're against
political persecution, and so even if you're against us, we
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still respect you. Just kind of stay out of our
fucking way. No, and it's true.
Like he just didn't care and that that was what he described
himself as. Fascists are like what color do
you like blue? Get in jail.
What the fuck? Actually, yes.
That's the funny part. What's crazy is that he just
didn't care and he spelled it. It was so true, and I guess it
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was a lot of self-awareness. Yeah, he spelled it out himself.
He said I have no loyalty. Fuck that.
Jesus Christ. I mean, I appreciate the fact
that he was conscious enough to know that about himself.
So exactly. So at what point does he need to
fake his own death? We're getting there, buddy.
He had actually fought on both sides of the Spanish Civil War,
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and he literally did not fire a single shot.
What? Yeah.
He just got lucky. Never had to, never wanted to.
OK, Yeah. Well, we're going to Fast
forward three more years after civil war.
We all know he survived. Well, on September 3rd, 1939,
obviously we know Britain declared war on Germany and Juan
thought this was my chance to dosomething good because as much
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as he was like, I don't care about the civil war, he actually
hated Nazis. Well, which was one of the
unifying things in the world forthe most part, except for Italy
and Japan, but we'll carve out for those two and some of the
some of the other countries thatkind of just really catch.
You can come in and kill all these people for us anyways.
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Well, hating the totalitarianismof Hitler and honestly the
war-torn Spain, he decided again, because he never made it
to France, He his idea was to take to take get in the army and
then cross the border into France.
Never got there. He goes still got to get out.
He eventually got a passport to get out of the country, out of
Spain to Portugal. And he's like, that'll do.
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At least I'm out of Spain. Yeah, well, he's went two years
in Portugal and he got married. He had a few kids, and he seemed
to rebuild his life right after they'd all been in jail.
They kind of got settled down, but he was still bothered by
this psychopath Hitler, as he called them, which a lot of
people call them. Well, in January of 1941, Juan
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arrived in Madrid with a fake ID, Another one.
He's really good at getting fakeIDs.
Thrice, thrice, yes, He went to the British Embassy to try and
get a job as a spy. The British officials basically
said Nah. Get away.
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They basically turned him down. They they turned him down in the
most corporate way possible. They literally sent him to
different people in the embassy to talk to, to get a job as a
spy. And the other person will be
like, I'm sorry, you don't have the right paperwork to get here.
You have to go to this person. And they'd send him to the next
person and send him to the next person.
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They basically were the DMV of embassies.
And they just kept sending him to different places.
And he was like, I'm like literally trying to help you.
I can help you, but they're like, no, I'm sorry you're.
They made the right call. Well, unfettered, he decided to
say F it again like he did before.
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I'm just going to do it myself. Oh.
My God. He created basically an identity
for himself as a pro Nazi Spanish fanatic and started
creating fake British agents as his spies in London.
He met with a Nazi agent in Spain that gave him money,
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passports, stuff to start his a phone, a decoder, and pretty
much anything he needs to start his spy agency.
He got 600, I think it was Deutsche marks at the time, to
basically start his spy agency and to pay all these people.
He played it and they were like,all right, Nazis were like,
you're going to move to London and you're going to spy on the
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British for us. And instead of doing that, he
just went to Lisbon. He's like, fuck that.
I got some money now. And then he started creating
fake reports, created fake names, and used a London guide
book to lie to the Nazis. Kind of incredible and you tell
us about what is going on in London.
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It appears as saucy London Bridge is falling down, falling
down, falling down. London Bridge is falling down,
falling down, falling down. That was basically it, and he
was. It's like not even a British
guide book. It's like a book of like British
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children's, like nursery rhymes.London Bridge is falling down,
falling down, falling down, falling down, falling down,
falling down. Literally, they were so happy
with the stuff that he was giving them.
They didn't even try to give to like actually have any more
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spies in the area. They said he's doing such a good
job. These guys are really good.
Yeah, but what's funny is that he literally was going through
and saying like, this person is not going to oh, oh, why didn't
they show up? Why weren't you notified of
this? Like major troop movement?
Oh, Oh, my guy got sick and he just literally came an hour
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after I'd sent my last message and they're like, Oh yeah, that
makes sense. Such happens.
Yeah. Y'all feeling need to work on
your health scale? Yeah, we do.
We totally do. Yeah, Y'all, everybody's getting
national healthcare. It's like the one thing we can
all agree on, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Literally, and he was, he kept sending letters and literally
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the British government did not know about this.
He was doing this without them noticing.
Without them noticing. They finally found him.
And this is the weirdest way they found him because he was
sending these notes, you know, in the events that the British
was tracking males and stuff like that to make sure there is
no spies sending stuff out. Yeah, in the note he said the
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Scottish would do anything for alitre of wine.
That is oddly specific. Can you tell me the problem with
that? Yeah, the Scots don't drink
wine. Everybody knows that.
No they they don't use litre. Oh yeah?
Well. They use imperial.
My stereotype of the Scots, the the Scots don't drink wine.
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OK, if you're if you're Scottishand you're listening to this,
write us contact at Black Cat dot report.
Let us know if you drink wine. See, that's where it's kind of
fishy to me. Yeah, that's why they found out.
They were like, wait a second, Scottish don't use leaders.
So it doesn't make any sense that you're saying this.
And they're like, this is weird.And they found out that he had
actually made the Nazis go try to attack a ship movement that
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didn't actually happen. And they were like, what?
How did this happen? Like the literally the Nazis
were out in the middle of nowhere while we're moving our
our ships the other way. And they didn't know what
happened. It was this guy.
He did it. They found him through this
letter. And they're like, shit, this guy
is actually good. Where did he come from?
And he's like, I've been trying to get to you.
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Yeah, I've been trying to get toyou.
Well, he was a beast. He wrote 315 letters by himself,
averaging 2000 words apiece. He got another one in from
Sivoan. What does it say?
It says, say Humpty Dumpty sat on a ball on a fall on a fall.
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And then it says Humpty Dumpty, he had a great fall.
Oh, that's really nice. He had a very hot summer.
I'm glad he took a good fall off.
No, it's not like that. He fell down.
Oh, that's terrible. Do they have health care over
there yet? Yes, they're working on.
It he was so good that the Naziseventually gave up their Enigma
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key to him. And he was instrumental, yeah,
he was instrumental in giving the Enigma key to the Allies to
break help break their code. If anybody remembers the wait,
oh, hold on, I got questions at Joey Bear.
If you've seen the movie U571 right, that is literally about
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the fucking enigma. It's about trying to get like
this was the Nazis were they're not well, honestly both.
So I actually, come to think about it, backtrack, backtrack,
backtrack. Come to think about it, I think
the US just sucked at cryptology.
Because now that I think about it, not true.
Not true. Hold on, Hold on.
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Hold on. No, no, no.
I used to think the same, Joey, but hear me out.
At first, it's like, damn, the Japanese were really good at
cryptology, right? Like, that's a thing.
That's a thing. That's a known thing in U.S.
history. But yeah.
Yeah. But so were the Germans.
Hold on. OK, OK.
Wait a second. So are the Soviets.
Wait. If everybody else is good at
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cryptology, I think that means we're bad.
You're bad at. At code breaking, yeah.
Think about it for a second. During all, during the whole
war, it's like that. We had to do this because like
they were so good. But then you go listen to shit
about in the Pacific and it's like, man, we had to do this
because they were so good. I think we just sucked.
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I I I just don't think we had the.
This blew my mind. I'm sorry.
We had the people because we were very isolationist right
before the war. We weren't so.
We just didn't. Think yeah, we didn't think
about it and we can have. Excuses eventually, yes, but we
can have excuses. But the fact is we kind of
sucked, apparently, because every country involved in the
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war, we were like, damn, they were.
We also sucked at espionage too,but that changed after the war
as well. I mean we the war literally the
World War 2 literally taught us everything.
We caught up real. Quick.
Which is sad in some ways, but this guy was so good that he got
an award from both sides. In 1944.
He was given the Iron Cross second class from Nazi Germany
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because of their contributions to his cause and that it was an
award literally only given to people who fought on the
battlefield. Adolf Hitler himself had to OK
this award given to Juan. Did you hear about what he did
to the bridge? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
'Cause they thought he was stillworking for them, that's how
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good he was. And then in November 1944, he
was given the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire
award for from the British because his actual contributions
of helping full to Nazis. So he got one from both sides,
which is. Great.
Was he living in Lisbon the whole time?
He ended up moving to London. OK.
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So yeah, OK. I thought, I thought the whole
time he's just in this like tropical paradise and he's just
like, this is great. Until about 1943, because they
started worrying about him getting caught and they're like,
OK, maybe he's going to get caught and the Nazis are
actually going to start catchingon.
That he's not in London, that he's not in London where he says
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he's supposed to be. And we're not helping him.
But yeah, well, and in 1945, thewar ended and the Nazis were
defeated. Obviously a lot of the history
there, but there was still a lotof surviving Nazis.
And eventually they were going to figure out he was basically a
turncoat on them and a double agent.
This is where the faking his owndeath comes in there again.
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Yeah, they actually had code named Tim Alaric.
The the Germans Nazis had code named him Alaric.
And in 1948, MI 5 decided to help Juan hide his own trail
because they also feared the Nazis would look for reprises
against the Allied spies. And especially because he was
just traveling. Now he just started traveling.
He's like, cool, I'm done. Well, Juan went on a trip to
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Angola and then MI 5 spread the rumor that he had caught malaria
and died. Nice.
Yeah, so he had faked his own death with the help of MI 5, and
he actually moved to Venezuela and ran a bookstore in a gift
shop because he was like, I justwant to live a nice, simple life
after this. Yeah.
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That's. Incredibly pretty much just
lived out his days in anonymity.Honestly, it was nice until the
British government in 1971 did adeep dive into the heroes of
World War 2 and they eventually found some of Juan's family
alive and then tracked down Juanhimself.
They were looking him up becauseone of the people in Parliament
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saw that somebody was tricking the Nazis.
And MI 5 didn't list his name. They didn't list who it was.
They didn't list his address or anything.
So he had to backtrack and eventually found Juan Juan's
family. And they're like, hey, this
guy's still alive. Like, he didn't kill himself
because they had found, like, OKoh, he found Juan's name
eventually. And then he was like, oh, he
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killed himself, no big deal, Youknow, whatever.
And then he found some of his family.
He was like, hey, can I talk to you about your father?
And they're like, yeah, my dad'sstill alive.
And he's like, oh, shit, really?That's awesome.
Can I talk to him? And so eventually they did a
huge phone interview with him and they wrote a book about him,
which eventually was Reese, but eventually was released in 1985
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called Operation Garbo, which was his his name, Agent Garbo.
He went to Normandy and had likea nice little visit, like on the
100th year anniversary. I think like that not the 100th
year anniversary. It was something like the 50th
anniversary of Normandy. And he eventually passed away in
1988 as a national hero in Britain.
Yeah. So yeah, he did fake his own
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death, and then he eventually died.
But I thought that guy's story was so cool because he was just
like this random guy that took it upon himself to be a freaking
hero of Britain and basically fooled the Nazis.
Yeah. It works.
Still don't trust him only basedoff his own terms, which is I'm
not Lionel 10. He's.
He just went. With anybody tells you that,
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yeah, if anybody tells you that,you should literally just
believe them. Don't argue with them.
That's that is, yeah, that is like, all right, OK, All right.
Our second story today is about a man named Alfredo Sanchez.
It's a bit more recent than our last almost World War 2 Spanish
Civil War era story. Alfredo Sanchez was born in
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Ecuador and had immigrated to the UK for a better life.
Unfortunately, he did not find what he was looking for.
It kind of happened, yeah. Shit.
He had gotten a job at a music retail store, HMV, as a web
developer, but he really couldn't rise to where he wanted
to be. What year was this?
2007. OK, gotcha.
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I was like, no, what? That's why I said it's a little
bit more recent. That's my fault. 2007, yeah.
No, no, you're good. You're good, you're good.
I was just like, wait, what is this?
Is this current events? You're just like reading
Twitter. Like, yeah, actually yesterday.
Shit. He married a woman named Sophie
who went together. They decided to hatch a little
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plan. They were both massively,
massively in debt in credit cards and loans they had taken
out. And I did a lot of research and
I just could not find what they were buying and taking loans out
for. I really think it was they were
living beyond their because I was like, why?
What are they buying? I was like jet skis.
Are they trying to buy like, youknow, like they're in the UK?
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In a crippling Pez to scare likeaddiction.
I was like, forget the full StarWars set.
Yeah. Sophie, his wife, told HMV, his
employer, that Alfredo had a heart attack when he was
visiting his home country, Ecuador.
He had too much Alfredo. In Ecuador and that he had
subsequently. Been cremated.
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So there was no body, honestly. Char broiled air fryer.
It's my Ecuadorian accent. Ecuadorian listeners hit us up
at contact at Blackhead dot report.
Let us know if that's accurate. HMV honestly.
Awesomely paid for Sophie to flydown to Ecuador and for her
hotel so that she could be thereto mourn and for the and to meet
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the family and to like talk. And it was really nice of them.
I was like, damn, that's pretty cool.
Funny enough, Fredo had literally just put down a
massive life insurance policy before he left for Ecuador.
What are the odds? Sophie, upon her return back to
the UK, provided the insurance company and his work as
Certificate of death and a cremation certificate.
She then received the death payment of 112K pounds.
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She then also cashed out the life insurance policy, which
totaled about £1,000,000. Oh yeah.
Huge. Yeah.
She then left the country, flying to.
Australia a little quick it. Was just like, ah, cool, I'm
taking the money. Yeah, very quick.
She then got remarried after shehad left the UK to a man named
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Hugo Jose Sanchez. Alfredo had changed his name and
then remarried his wife. They also had four kids.
So I'm trying to figure out thisis a beautiful story to their
kids. Everything's the same, but now
we have an Australian accent that's Dirty Sanchez, real Dirty
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Sanchez. Well, they were living out their
good life, spending all the money they received a one tiny,
tiny thing would unravel this whole charade the.
Last name Sanchez? Exactly.
Which is almost similar when Alfredo worked at HMV right?
They would they gave him a discount card and upon his death
he gave his discount card to oneof his.
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Really good for hits. When the friend took the
discount card to buy an Elvis CD, he was probably found out
and then kicked out of the store.
They banned this friend from thestore because they're like,
that's not yours, That's Sanchez's one, that's Alfredo
Sanchez. It's like there's like a small
memorial in the background with candles that are lit and like
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there's still a bunch of like tissues in a trash can next to
it. They're just so mourning their
loss of their web guy. Yeah, yeah.
Literally man. Seriously though, like every
time the emails, every time dude.
Every. Every time I forgot my e-mail,
he always remembered the name ofmy elementary school, of my
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favorite cat's name and my stepmother's favorite ice cream.
He always remembered it. You know, like, yes, Alfredo was
the pest. The whole company was in
mourning. They were in mourning.
No one could remember their passwords because web people.
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This might sound dumb but as a web person for companies I can
tell you, you get hit up for people's private e-mail
passwords. The amount of times I've had
clients hit me up over the yearsand say, hey, do you know my
Gmail password? And I'm like, no, I just work on
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your website. Where the fuck would I know your
Gmail password? They're like, I don't know.
We always talk through Gmail andI'm like, and where the hell
would I know your e-mail password?
This is This is a. Constant thing back to e-mail.
Yeah, yeah, it's literally. Yeah, sure, let me hack your
fucking e-mail real quick. I'll get it back for you.
Yeah, yeah. Hold on, it's extra.
After this, HMV sent this information to the pension
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auditors, basically the people that gave the insurance money
effort to them for the death. The auditors opened an inquiry
and they looked at his death certificate and found Alfredo's
fingerprints on his own death certificate.
That's complicated. That's very complicated.
Yeah, it's a complicated one. Exactly.
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So in 2007, a full arrest warrant went out for Sophie and
Alfredo because the pension auditors were like, they're
alive. Yeah, it was found they were
living in Australia. So they waited until somebody
came back. Sophie came back to the UK in
2010 and was literally arrested upon entering the country.
She came back for her sister's wedding having no idea there was
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an arrest warrant. Oh yeah, that's rough.
When she was questioned, she admitted her husband Alfredo,
was still alive and they had committed fraud.
She literally just was like, allright, jig is up, I'm going to
jail. She was sentenced to jail for
two years. OK.
Meanwhile, Alfredo just lived itup in Australia for a few years,
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not caring about his wife being in jail.
He lived it up with their kids, their three kids, and was like,
I don't care, it's fine, no big deal.
Alfredo opened up a tattoo shop that was eventually firebombed 2
times because of biker gangs andhe had to close down, no doubt.
What the fuck it was? That was just a random mention.
I was just like, what the fuck? God damn well.
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Eventually, he was able to be arrested and extradited to the
UK in 2011. So his wife was still in jail at
that time. And when he arrived in the UK,
he was asked by reporters about his wife.
And he claimed that in quotations she was staying with
relatives in Britain, pretty much sweeping under the rug that
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she was in jail for fraud. And to this day, he's still
like, I didn't, I didn't do fraud.
I didn't commit fraud. I'm not, I'm not Alfredo
Sanchez. I didn't commit fraud.
That's not me. Yeah, I'm not Alfredo Sanchez.
I'm Hugo Jose Sanchez, who happens to let how many
Sanchez's live in Australia? I'm sorry but that is not a
common fucking name in Australia.
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No, Ecuador you could Australia.Yeah, you could easily get away
with that in any North or South America.
Not in fucking Australia. I I can't imagine there's a
large Espanola population in Australia.
Nope. Well, he was tried and given
five years in prison in 2012, sofeasibly they are both out of
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jail actually right now. I hope so.
Yeah, well, the insurance companies sure showed them the
Ecuador. Well, our third and last story
today of people who faked their own death is the interesting
story of Marion Franklin Rogers or Connie Franklin.
Both names apply. It's a very interesting case
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because the person who died eventually testified at their
own murder trial. OK, All right.
I feel like it's some paranormalcircles seances, if you will,
this is acceptable. So we'll we'll see how this
goes. And January of 1929, a man named
Connie Franklin came into a towncalled Saint James in Arkansas.
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He applied and got a job cuttingtimber and also got a job as a
farm hand doubling up his work double fisting work as some
would. Say, double fisting the wood, he
was out there just handling all of the wood in whatever
direction it came. He was stroking that timber till
it fell. Broke in the timber and broke in
the wood and just get he was outthere.
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God, I appreciate this man. He was 29 years old and he did
things like a 29 year old wood at the time.
He was a man about town. Somehow with two different jobs.
He was literally a man about town.
He found time to get around townand go talk to people right?
Instead of saying he was 29, which his actual age was, he
claimed he was 22 years old justto seem a bit more hip and
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younger. He'd go out to the town and meet
all the girls right as a stupid,but he fell in love with a 16
year old girl named Tiller Ruminar.
This is pragmatic. Yeah, a little bit.
I mean, 1929 it is problematic now.
Wasn't problematic then. Yeah, and honestly, back then
she was basically a spinster. Like he was just like, you're
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lucky I'll date you 16 year old because frankly, like, is that
a, is that a, is that a grey coming in over there?
God, you know if it wasn't for me faking being 22 then you
would be out of luck. No, that was just dust on my
shoulder. Oh, it looked like a Gray hair.
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Literally. In the same year they met, they
decided that they were going to go to the justice of the peace
and get married. OK, It's like a whirlwind
romance, right? Yeah, yeah.
Well, they met in January and this happened December.
Yeah, you're right. Well, while they're on their way
to the justice of the peace, they were waylaid by local
ruffians. Hubert Hester, Herman Greenway,
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Joe White and Bill C Straight Eye Younger were the alleged
ruffians. These are 100% names of local
ruffians. Yeah, literally.
If you could you go down that list again like I can, I am
picturing baseball cards with each one of these people's faces
on it. What?
What do they stop? Right after I name one of them
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Hubert Hester. Hubert Hester, I've got nothing
to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
These are these are just ruffiannames.
Herman Greenway. Joe White.
Obviously a racist ruffian, yeah.
He is the most racist out of that group and Bill see straight
eye, younger straight eye. Younger.
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He's the old guy, I think. I feel like he's the oldest guy.
Yeah, well, Ruminar was taken and raped by Hester and
Greenway. All right, that's explains the
straight eye. Yep.
And Connie Franklin was taken byWhite and Younger into the woods
and tortured, mutilated and murdered.
Yeah. All right.
OK. So where's the thinking of the
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deaths here? Well, let's we're going to get
into that. Oh, OK, OK, sorry.
I just, yeah, you had me all built up with these, with these
folks, these young UNS. I had to.
I had to build you up. A little this spinster and this
young strapping man. Well, this was told by the
spenster Ruminar during the trial.
Because of the time Ruminar didn't actually report the
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attack. She was later forced to report
the crime by one of her friends.She didn't report the attack at
the first because she was like, she didn't want to say I was
raped and she didn't want to go through that whole trial and and
be embarrassed because it's 1920s.
It's not a good. It's, it's terrible that this is
viewed that way. But in the 1920s, that didn't
look good on the woman compared to what it looked like on the
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men. The men were actually arrested
and put to trial in December of 1929, with attorneys basically
pitting them all against each other to see who would rat on
the others. All of the men said they never
saw Connie Franklin of the day of his murder, but the
prosecutors thought they were all lying.
(50:50):
OK, the police had never found abody.
There was no body of Connie Franklin.
So they only found a bloody hat out in the woods that seemingly
seemingly belonged to Connie Franklin.
And the only reason they said seemingly belonged to him is
because one of the ladies who was in the town that knew him
(51:13):
was like, oh, that's his hat. That's his hat.
And they they're like, it must be his hat.
It must be his hat. There's some blood on this.
Well, because of this and the testimony of the attackers, they
actually put out a picture of Connie Franklin in the
newspapers to see if someone could ID him because they're
like, there's no body. And we don't think that maybe
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he's not dead. So he actually eventually was
found not too far from Saint James working on a farm.
And that he came back to Saint James and immediately he was put
on trial to find out his identity because the nobody in
the town besides a few people could ID him as Connie Franklin.
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Just funny. There was only a few people that
were like, that's Connie Franklin.
He was here. And he's like, I'm not Connie
Franklin. That's I'm not that person.
I'm Kenny Franklin. Funny, is Ruminar his ex fiance?
I guess name time they weren't even fiance.
Yeah, Ruminar testified that he also that he wasn't Connie
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Franklin. She looked at him and she's
like, no, it's not him. Any him?
They had found he was claiming to be Marion Franklin Rogers was
his name. Why do people always keep a part
of their real name? I know it helps with like name
recognition and shit but like you can't leave your name as
Sanchez when you fake your name and then move to a country where
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you are literally the only Sanchez.
Exactly. Like that just doesn't make
sense, people. This is why we do these yearly
educational episodes. Honestly, this is a public
service. We're trying to say, hey, we get
it. We know that you've had a long,
hard year and you're getting, you're looking at the the New
Year's resolutions that you're making up, you know, like God
(52:59):
damn, this fucking sucks. And like, I didn't do it last
year or the year before, but I know I should put it on my list
for this year. And you're just kind of looking
back. Look, before you get very
desperate, remember there is a healthy third option which is
fake your own fucking death. It's not illegal.
Right, it's not a, it is as. Joey has.
Always said it is literally not illegal to fake your own death,
(53:24):
so you should do it by our program.
By joining our patreonpatreon.com/blackhead RIP
more, you can learn how to fake your own death.
A great way to sell it well during the trial to figure out
whose man this was because basically they had to stop the
trial in general against the thewaylaid ruffians.
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They had to stop that trial and be like, wait a second, we got
to figure out if this is Connie Franklin because if it's it's
him, these guys are not guilty and they're like, shit, we got
to stop this. So they kind of stopped that
whole trial, brought Connie Franklin in and quotations
Connie Franklin in. They put them on, put them on
the put them in the stand, put them in the area and they said
(54:08):
they brought up bones that were found in the woods.
The medical examiners said theseweren't his, and they couldn't
even say that they were human. Really hope it was fucking like
KFC chicken. Look at these bones we
discovered. It's just like clearly AKFC tub.
(54:29):
It still seems our scientists have been doing the best work
they possibly can to remove thisdelicious delectable honey
covered buttermilk biscuit from the bones that we discovered in
this box here. Fun fact about bones.
So like they're a huge, huge practice of and God, to
(54:52):
bastardize this a whole bunch ofno comment after me.
All right, Just just appreciate the obscurity folks out there
that practice it. But there's a huge there's a
heavy practice of Santeria in inin Tampa, FL and in the
surrounding area and all all over Florida.
And there was always this funny game that we would play.
As you know, my friends and I when I lived there, which is
(55:13):
when we go down to creeks and rivers and you would find
chicken bones all over by a Creek and river.
You never knew if somebody was actively practicing Santeria or
they had just eaten KFC. Wow.
You're like, if I touch that, I'm cursed.
Or maybe somebody just got the five for five deal.
(55:33):
I can never tell. But Curse is worth it.
I'm cursed. I'm cursed.
Yeah. Curse is worth it.
Yeah, I'm curious. Curse is worth it.
I'm cursed. Exactly.
Eventually, Connie Franklin, or his real name, Marion Franklin
Rogers, started testifying that he was indeed one in the same
(55:54):
and that he was not murdered. OK, He's like, I'm just OK, you
got me. Connie Franklin, I love, I know
that in court they did it this way where it was just like they
just kept bragging up Connie Franklin where they're like, are
you the same Connie Franklin whois presumed to have a 25 inch
(56:16):
ultra super thick cock, has madelove to more women than God has
ever seen and has turned more virgins into happily wed single
mothers than any man alive. Are you the same God?
It's like literally going down the list whose color, whose
(56:38):
identification of colors is better than any man's on the
planet. Are you the same Connie?
That's me once. That is me.
I am one and the same. Finally.
OK. All right, you guys, I.
Am that I am that guy. Got him.
Got him. I knew it.
Judge. Throw the book at him.
(56:59):
We knew it. Well, what's funny is the
prosecution and the defendant, the lawyers, they were brothers.
Well, he claimed, Connie Franklin claimed that during the
evening that Ruminar was taken and raped, he had been out
drinking with the defendants on the day of the murder and had
fallen off. His mule.
(57:19):
That'll do it every time. He had not seen Ruminar until
the following day, and that day Ruminar came to Connie or Marion
and said she wanted to move the wedding farther out.
After that she was like, I don'twant to get married.
Let's let's move it out. I'm like getting cold feet in
the way, he said. If you don't marry me right now,
you will never see me again. To which she said goodbye and
(57:45):
then he immediately left. Out.
OK, bye. Yeah, OK.
A red flag. Literally red flag.
Yep. I respect her.
I respect her for just being like, all right, fuck you.
She set her boundaries. And he was like, well, I want
what I want. And she's like, what?
I don't want that, so goodbye. Bye.
Yeah. He was like, all right, have a
good one. Well, no shit, that was a
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healthy. This new testimony, the original
trial, which was for the murder of Connie Franklin, who came
back with a verdict of not guilty for all the men.
And to be fair, I don't honestlyknow what happened with the rape
of Ruminar, his fiance. Literally nothing happened with
that. There was no trial.
(58:25):
There was nothing that came up about it.
They just let it go. Right.
For the time period. Yeah, for the time period.
Yeah. And it's terrible.
Well, they started researching into this guy, Marian Franklin
Rogers, right? They're just like, OK, we kind
of got to find out who this guy actually is.
They found matching military records that said he had been
drafted into the military in 1926.
(58:48):
OK, kind of Bunny. Then subsequently, five days
later, he was admitted into the Arkansas State Mental Hospital.
All right, this is not going well.
No, he escaped from the ArkansasState Mental Hospital 2 weeks
later. Oh.
God, I'm sorry people of Arkansas, you've been through
(59:09):
enough. Yeah, he went to the town and
then met her. That's not all.
Nope. Because before he went into the
military, well, and still throughout this time he was
actually married and had three children who he also just
abandoned. It was like a thing for men for
a really long time. I mean, still happens.
Yeah, I know. But it's like it's not the same.
(59:32):
It's just kind of. Like get away with it then now
they track it down. You can be tracked down much
easier. Yeah, now people have to get on
Facebook. Honestly, just don't get on
Facebook. You'll be fine.
And that's how he found himself roaming the streets of Saint
James, Arkansas, and faking his own death.
Hell yeah. Thank you for listening to New
Year New YOU volume. 33 year newme yeah.
(01:00:01):
As we go into 2025 and honestly,Gil and I cannot wait to get
into 2025 because this year has been kind of shitty to be fair.
Yes, Jesus Christ, this year is fucking sucked.
With whatever the new year brings, Gil and I have so many
new things coming for you. We want you to please because or
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literally giving away so much shit for free, join up on our
Patreon. We got so much awesome perks.
We have so much we want to give to you.
Seriously, it's free. You don't have to pay anything
you really don't have to. We have so much cool stuff
that's specifically just on Patreon for free because we just
wanted one place to where we cancontact and build a community
(01:00:50):
through and Patreon's easiest way to do all this stuff.
So me and Gil decided, and we'refucking tired of coming up with
1520 different sizes of a video,styles of video, hashtags, just
to put it on a put it on something for the one person we
found on Blue Sky, for the 10 people we found on Instagram.
You know, like if you guys come to us, you get all this cool
(01:01:12):
stuff. It's much easier there.
Anyways, it's an easy app. They're really editing the app
and making it really, really nice and we love it.
We're just trying to get everybody in one space and you
can come chat with us. Gil is almost literally on the
app talking to people probably 24/7.
That's something I wanted to say, man.
And thank you. Thank you.
(01:01:32):
For bringing that. Up.
Yeah. So we actually use the community
chat feature that has popped up on Patreon as of I think like a
month ago popped up on there. You're so glad for all of our
early adopters. This is a thing with the new
year, new US, is that we are pushing everybody towards
Patreon for all the reasons thatJoey outlines.
(01:01:56):
But the main reason that we're trying to get you out there is
because, hey, if you're listening to this episode now,
five months from now, 10 years into the future, and you hop on
to Patreon, we're going to be there in the chat.
That's the reality of it is You can hop on.
You can chat directly with us. Let us know what you think about
(01:02:16):
this episode. Let us know if you're, oh, I
can't touch soft things or else I lose my voice.
It's cat toy. Anyways, where was I?
Anyways, enough about Patron andall that jazz.
We got some cool shit coming up.We have a lot of things that are
patron exclusives. Sorry I had to say it one last
time. You guys are the best.
(01:02:38):
Really hope that you have a fucking fantastic new year.
New fear, yes, and and all the great and good things and some
of the bad things, but we hope you get incredible lessons from
them. Love you all.
We love you. Bye.
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I just wanted to ask that if you're liking this episode,
please consider taking a moment to rate and review us on
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Might seem like a small request,but every review counts and goes
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