122 | Pt3 | Ronald True: The End of the Trulogy - Black Cat Report | UFOs, Cryptids, True Crime & Paranormal

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This week someone dies. I didn't see you there.
It all started early this morning.
From hunting ghosts to Bigfoot UFOs.
Cryptids, true crime, paranormal, and more I.
Always wanted to see the UFO. Oh I was I was researching for
your entertainment. That's Bigfoot's get.
He basically wrote the book on Monarch.
We aren't really comedians. What if Buddha did cocaine?

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The Addams family on meth. This is the Black Cat report.
See you on the other side. Hello, everyone, and welcome to
episode 122, Ronald True Part 3,the end of the trilogy.
My name is Gil, and joining me here today is Joey Lee's

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doppelganger, Joey Lee. Yeah, Joey.
Hello. I am here.
I am here. This is me, Joey Lee.
That make you doppelganger. That would make me Joey
Doppelganger I, but I am the original Joey Lee sounds.
Like something a doppelganger say.
Well, our primary source for Part 3 will be The Trial of

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Ronald True by Donald Carswell, which has been our primary
source for this whole series, which you can find a link to
along with any other secondary sources that we mentioned down
in the show notes. Now Joey, when we last left off,
Ronald True had spent a week straight threatening, harassing

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and pretty much holding Missus Wilson hostage before one day he
didn't show up to kidnap her like he'd usually do.
In fact, he had gone to meet up with his wife where, after
telling her they were getting a divorce, he waved a gun around
before running off into the streets of London.
Am I leaving anything out? I mean, you know, he was kind of

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going crazy there for a little bit.
I think you're leaving a whole good bit of him going.
But it was a good overview, goodto get us back in that mood, you
know, get us back in that physicality of him.
Get us truly feeling that, you know, I mean, yeah, I mean a
point is y'all so much bass getsset up in Part 1.
I'm just honest to God. Background of why shit is even

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possible later. And then in Part 2, you know,
shit really gets fucking rollingand and so please head back over
to at least Part 2 before listening to Part 3.
Year old's lot of shit won't make sense.
I didn't even bother to address it.
So all that out of the way, let's hop right in.

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Yes. Joey, I can see you typing.
I'm not even typing right now. My hands are ringing.
My hands are where you can't seethem.
Do I do? I do with my hands.
I'm gonna get a second webcam. Yeah, it's just good to point to
my. Hands, what are you doing?
Here I can just hold them like this, the whole episode.

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That way it's like you get, it'slike you're holding me hostage
here. You're holding me hostage here.
What do I need? I need that witty banter.
No, I'm just, I'm just being a Dick.
I'm here, I'm here, I'm here with this banter.
At 11:00 on the same evening Ronald ran away from his wife,

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Missus Wilson's phone rang. It was Ronald True, and through
frantic cries and screams he told her the most horrible thing
imaginable had happened. You see, just hours earlier,
after going to his family home and failing to be let in by
anyone after knocking at the door, he had made his way around

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the back where he proceeded to crawl in through the window,
only to find the house empty of their servants before soon
discovering his own mother, the Baroness, motionless, blood
everywhere with her head bashed in.
No floor. She was barely clinging to life

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and had to be rushed to a medical facility for extensive
operations, though the likelihood of her recovery was
slim. Shocked by this news, Missus
Wilson scanned the papers frantically the following day.
But to her surprise, no matter how hard she looked, there
wasn't so much as even a faint mention.

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Not a single paragraph was dedicated in any of the
newspapers to a Baroness who hadbeen violently bludgeoned to
death. Sorry, Who had been violently
bludgeoned to death's door in her own home, running into True
that evening. Missus Wilson broached the

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subject immediately, to which True replied quote, I'm keeping
a quiet for the time being. There's going to be a big case
about it. But something fell off about all
of this. How in the world could such a
horrific incident of someone with so much status, so high up

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in society be completely kept quiet?
So, being a well known socialiteherself, Missus Wilson quickly
started pulling all the strings of her extensive network around
the city, making inquiries to her friends and officials in and
around London. It was bullshit.

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Ronald True's mother had not been attacked, was not in the
hospital and was safely living at home in her massive estate.
Yeah. It's just completely misleading.
That had me go in there for a second.
He had me going there. I was just like, no, not her,

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anything, anything but her. And I also just imagine Missus
Wilson coming in and just being like step, her face painted red
like a with the volleyball. Wilson.
Wilson. Hi, Mr. True.
That's what I just imagined Mr. Wilson this sound like.

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I mean, Ronald True pretty much went as crazy.
Yeah, exactly. Well, and keep in mind too, I
intentionally will try to fuck y'all up during these episodes
because we're following the lifepath of somebody who's going
insane. You had me.

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You had me there. Keep.
That keep that in mind. Wow, twists.
And turns and Oh my God, where'dthat come from?
Right. Well, spurred on by True's clear
display of insanity that's now become mixed in with graphic
fantasies of violence towards his own mother, Missus Wilson

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was finally confident in making a decision to reach out and warn
others. Now that may sound like a sad
pause or sloth on her part, but please keep in mind she was a
woman in the 1920s stuck in a vacuum of isolated threats by

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one man and was left alone trying to navigate the misogyny
of a literally shell shocked society ran by World War 1
veterans who all thought it was OK that a known crazy person
like True was carrying a gun andall constantly you saw him say

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or sorry and constantly quote joking about killing someone.
So yes, she was harassed for a week.
Yes it was very intense, yes it was very fucked up all this
other stuff. But but to be honest, like it

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had never been an issue of people, namely men, not
believing her before. Sorry.
Yeah, it had never been an issueof people, namely men, not
believing her before. They all knew and saw what was
happening and they were OK with it.
They saw the jokes, they saw Ronald True's gun.

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They all unanimously agreed he'sfucking crazy.
But they all had the same conclusion.
He's harmless. He's.
Fine, this is all dipped in a world of very intense misogyny,
so like, you know, it had to go this far.
But and then here's the thing with this right a deranged story

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of a Baroness being potentially threatened.
Missus Wilson finally had enoughsocial ammo of her own to make a
move and sound the alarm about the very real and present danger
of Major Ronald True. It took this.

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Yeah, and to to add to to the tothat point is like he's also a
major, you know, so like that brings as well as him being
crazy people. Like I said, I think I said it
last episode too, it's like people are just like, well, he's
a major, he's seen some shit, you know, yeah, we've us also
have seen some shit, but he's just he's just out there in them

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not even knowing what shell shock was.
We said it the same. I said the same thing, not
really knowing what shell shock was.
They're just kind of like, oh, he's just got he's just got the
yips, you know, he's just like, oh, he's just crazy a little
bit, but he's not great. He's fine, he's fine.
Don't worry about it. He's he's a major, he's good.
Yeah, don't worry about it. He's he's crashed many planes.
He's a hero. You.

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Know how many planes he's flown?Exact amount that he's crashed,
He's crashed. Yeah.
No, you, you were, you were spoton.
But you know, that's why I kind of like I made the, the long
rant in, in Part 2 where I was just like, look, she's not crazy
for doing what she did and for holding off.

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And Yep, really have to be this.I mean, it's it's still
difficult for women today to communicate outside of abusive
relationships. How the fuck do you think it was
over 100 years ago, right when everybody at shell shock PTSD
was fucked in the head was you know what I'm saying?

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Like, this is a few years after the end of World War One on a
good time, you know? She's the least crazy in this
story right now, so a. 100% Well, and this is funny though.
I, I think this is funny, actually, I think this is
fucking fantastic. I've been so excited since since
before I ever wrote a single word for this series, I've been

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so excited to reveal this. See, this is where this story
takes somewhat of an on turn. A little bit of a a fun twist is
this, where Misses Wilson delivered her first set of
warnings to the members and staff of Murray's, the private

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social dance club where she had originally met Ronald True and
had subsequently suffered a verylong week of forced monologues
and threats. After becoming the obsession of
this madman who every night would tell her never ending
stories about an evil, dangerousman named Ronald True spelled

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with AW, he was a malicious lunatic and fraud who had for
years been forging checks and placing bad bets in his name,
all while ruining Major True's spotless reputation.
He told her how he'd been hunting down this other Ronald
True and tracked him to London'sWest End, where, after

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discussing the situation with the police, he had received
explicit permission from Scotland Yard to finally kill
his evil doppelganger. To say that this news came as a
shock to the staff of the club would be an understatement.

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Not because True was insane, everyone already knew that, but
because Ronald True with AW was in fact a real member of Murray.
No way, no way. How?

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How is this delusion that he's created like manifest itself
into truth? This whole time all these fuck
ups, scandals, forged checks, failed jobs, pharmacists and Dr.
beat downs, rumors and reputation ruining rodeos that
major True had been white knuckle riding into success over

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the past few years might have been very real issues for the
other Ronald True. All the checks.
There was another guy who was having to deal with all of
Ronald True's bullshit. Major Ronald True.
Which one Major? Major Ronald True, the man whose

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story we've been following this whole fucking time, is literally
the story of someone's evil doppelganger.
He's the side character. Oh my God, no.
He is the evil doppelganger. He's been lurking and fucking
up, so he's. Ruining this dude's life.

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That's actually the good person.He couldn't make this.
I've been holding this in for weeks.
Yeah, you can't make that a better movie.
Like just this whole story of him going through life and
looking in the mirror being likehim saying somebody is fucking

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up my life as the bad guy, like basically ruining a Ronald
True's life, then saying somebody's fucking up my life.
And then the other guy who's like the Ronald TREW, the good,
the good Ronald True, that's a good doppelganger is like this
is, yeah. Bruce Willis.
Shit, I'm like, I see dead people.

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Oh, but Bruce Willis was actually dead.
Spoiler after 30 fucking years. You should have seen it by now,
but look. How?
This is what just this is some am Night Shyamalan shit.
Yeah, yeah. In real life, this is what
inspired him. I feel like this is terrible.
You're thinking that this guy isthe real Ronald True.

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I mean, he is, I guess technically named, but his
name's Angus, so he Angus RonaldTrue.
So I always remember that because it's just Angus Young
from ACDC. Anyways, we'll move past it, But
he's fucking up this dude's life.
That's like the real Ronald Truethat lived in this and that he
tracked him down and that he tracked this guy down to the

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club probably without even fucking knowing it.
It's funny that you would say that you always, you always got
that one step ahead. Now, no, but for real now, I am
sure that there's other true stories of doppelgangers and I

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would love to do a series about them sometime.
Joey. I'm even gonna put it up as a
second, second option for this year's theme month because bro,
this shit right here is so good.But holy shit, I have never read
a story with so many twists and turns where the true crime, you

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know, madman protagonist, turns out to literally be the evil
doppelganger all along. His insanity was accurate, but
flipped on its head, which is, yeah, again in the story of
Ronald True, who can just rash planes and get up and keep
walking? Who can just fucking survive 400

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times the amount that a normal person would overdose on
morphine on a daily fucking basis.
Who's like only ever fallen upward.
Even in his his descent into insanity, the real world is
working for him. This is like holy shit but now a

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perfect example of this. Which y'all already had some
bread crumbs? I left some Easter eggs in the
last episode to prepare you for this.
A perfect example of this. Do you remember how in the last
episode I mentioned that Missus Wilson went back to Murray's the
night after she was first harassed by Major?

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True. She had thought because it was
an exclusive private club and because she knew from talking
with them are being talked out by him, that he had just been
there as a guest. Do you remember that?
Well, that's why she went back to the place where she was like
barely made it out of a very unsafe situation of more or less

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being held at gunpoint all fucking night.
She thought it was private. She thought that this was a lot
safer than being home alone because it's a private club.
He was just there as an evening guest.
Well, the reason she immediatelyran into Major True again was
because this arrogant and entitled mother fucker

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confidently told the bouncer hisname was Ronald True, which was
the truth. And the bouncer, much like the
bookies and the staff of the psych wards and rehabs, couldn't
hear the difference between Ronald True and Ronald True with
AW. So they were marking him down as

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Ronald True with AW. And he went in and he was so
entitled that he's like, yes, it's me, it's Ronald True.
You don't need to sign me in, but you can if it's formal.
And like just fucking walked in.He didn't even think about
getting a membership or anything.
He just felt entitled to the fucking world.
And again, the world just delivered it to him with the

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most insane coincidence possible.
These are not common last names like I really.
Did he did his best version of walk in like your parents own
the place literally as his Instagram influencer parents you
know as he. 100% God, I dropped if you listen to Part 2 I and go

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after listening to this if you listen to Part 2, if you missed
anything. Honestly, I spent a lot of time
editing the audio and trying to do some fun shit.
So give give a couple extra pushes for those analytics.
But but I dropped in so many Easter eggs where I was just
edging everybody towards the fact that there was another real
Ronald true out there. I intentionally was trying to

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fuck with you all. Well, 'cause that's what we do
to our listeners. We love you all.
That's how we show love. You know what I'm saying?
It's like teasing, right? Something like that.
Well, that's a healthy relationship.
Yeah, then we all love you. So we want you guys to be just
as surprised as I am. Because to be fair, first time
I'm hearing this, Gil's Gil tells me stuff behind the

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scenes. But I intentionally sometimes
like, no, no, no, no, no, give me some surprises for the show.
And then I do the same for him. I tried it.
We try to surprise each other with twists and turns 'cause it
makes it fun. It's like you guys are.
It's Ronald True. And here's the deal.
These these dark fantasies and illusions of a man named Ronald

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True with AW lurking around every corner were real.
Because literally sitting aroundthe corner from Major True and
Misses Wilson was a very confused Ronald True with AW
looking at random bills and par taps.

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Imagine if he was freaking sitting around the corner while
they were talking about him and Ronald True's like I'm will kill
that guy, that other Ronald True, and he's just like, wait
is wait, wait is. Ronald.
True TTREW, that's no. Are are you be?

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I think. I think.
That's OK. I'm good.
I'm good. Yeah.
Yeah. No, no big.
Deal. This this this dance and
entertainment club was so fucking loud that you know
Missus Wilson was basically ableto be awkwardly fucking court
think about a modern day nightclub.
Yep, so loud. With live bands, dancers, all
this shit going on and very private booths off to the side

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that are even less lit than current modern day booths at a
dance club. Like off to the.
Can you imagine her being, like,him saying some of those things
and her being like, what? What?
And then him being, like, repeating it?
No, this is my gun. I got it from Scotland.
They said it was OK at Scott Lunard.

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That's your what? It just like keeps going.
God, that would be terrifying. Because.
Yeah. And I really do imagine in a
booth right behind them not ableto hear from all the music and
shit with the actual Ronald True.
Like I didn't order 6 martinis just.
Like, yeah, yeah, wait a second.Like they keep bringing the the

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drinks to the wrong table and itgets like one of those things
like I didn't, I didn't want. A All of it was being sent to
this other dude's tab. Yeah.
Oh, yeah, true. So he's never paying anything
because and he's well, I guess he doesn't have any money at
this time, right? He's also fucking crazy so he's
just not paying attention to shit slash, even if he did
notice, he just thinks he's fucking entitled.

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Well, on the night of February 18th, wow, all these dots were
being connected by the people over at Murray's.
The afternoon leisure between two friends, Doris Dent and
Olive Young, was interrupted by a sudden knock at Olive's store.

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Though unexpected and late in the evening, a random visitor
appearing while Doris was hanging out with Olive wasn't
exactly odd or out of place because Olive Young, whose real
name was Gertrude Yates, was in fact a high end escort.
She was a sex worker and an incredibly successful one.

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Within just a few years of taking on the profession, Olive,
as she had become known to her clients, rose from just barely
scraping by to being able to afford her own very large
basement level apartment, which was meticulously maintained by
the daily services of a maid shehired Emily Steele.

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So like she's she's doing good and this is in the hip part of
London. She has her own fucking like had
full on multi rooms that we're not talking studio apartment
here, talking about like a really nice spot.
I did the math because in the court records they mentioned how

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much money that she had in the bank.
She had like 8700, something like that.
By today's after inflation and stuff that like today's money,
she had like 8000 something, 700something dollars in the bank.
She always had cash on her. She could afford a maid to come
for like 12 hours a day every single day out of the week she

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was doing. That's a lot.
That's a lot in London too, yes.It's like she's.
Doing. I do think it's funny that the
maid's name is Emily Steele and she goes into your house and
you're just like, you know, I'm going to hide all my.
Valuables. Wait, how's that spelled?

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It's actually spelled St. EE LE perfect, which autocorrect
just. Kept saying I was doing it wrong
and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I got the book.
It's probably worked in a factory.
Kind of fit I guess. A steel factory where they just
steal stuff from the factory. In other words, Olive was in

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very high demand and it was a very, very well off, which
leaves little to the imaginationas to how she'd become
acquainted recently with one Mr.Major Ronald True, the man now
standing in her parlor, whom shewas introducing to her friend

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Doris. She's high end, very in demand,
very popular amongst all the social circles.
Ronald True had been bouncing around between all these social
circles, moving up through the statuses and meeting all of the
people. It's only a matter of time
before they would have crossed paths, Especially going out and
partying every night, right? Yep.

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He's still married at this point, right?
They're just like separated. In his mind, they're separated.
OK, he did this is this is a little while.
They. Yeah, this is like literally
just a couple days after. They had that big.
He was like, I can't be with youanymore, we're not together.

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And then just ran off into the city with a gun.
So yeah, although this is not the point where I'm going to
start trying to apply morals to Ronald.
True, but. Or any sense to his life, You
know, any any sense to timing inhis life?
Yeah. Well, not wanting to get in the

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way of business, Doris excused herself in headed home while
Ronald and Olive spent some quality time together, the
details of which Doris would soon hear all about in the
following evening. As the two women talked, Olive
told Doris how and why she neverwanted to see Major True again.

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Along with not feeling safe being alone with him, partially
due to the revolver he insisted on showing her, he had also
taken a little too much interestin Olive's jewelry before
leaving her house at about the same time that a £5 note
mysteriously disappeared from her purse, the equivalent of

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$363 in today's money. Wow.
That's all. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Again, Olive's doing good in but.
Oh yeah, but. Yeah, so that the exact same
time, it's just like, where'd myfucking money go, you know?
Yeah, anyways. She keeps, he keeps saying what?

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Like she's like, what's your name, Olive?
He's like, no, I don't love you like I loved you.
And I'm sorry to make them joke.Terrible joke.
Badoom. Got to get my crickets going.
All good, but there's one thing we know about Ronald True, it's

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that he's fucking persistent. Over the next week, Olive was
left constantly on guard againstTrue's never ending attempts to
contact her, along with hiding from and ignoring him when he
frequently knocked at her door. Eventually, he began calling her

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house incessantly. Now here's the thing, and I had
to include this began calling her house incessantly when she
started hanging up the second she heard his voice.
He tried on at least one occasion.
A new tactic. Ring, ring.
Hello. Yes.

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Is Olive there? Is this Ronald True, Ronald?
Ha, ha, ha. No.
To mistake me for such a, for such a handsome and debonair man
as that. No.
This is Armstrong. Yeah.
Just a regular, below average, gunless guy who's not a famous

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war hero with devilishly good looks and undeniable charm.
God damn it, Ronald. Stay wet, Stage.
Hello. How should she hung up on me?
On at least one occasion, he pretended to be Armstrong.
Oh, Armstrong. I just picture Armstrong there

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the whole time, just still not paying attention to it.
Yeah, and he just. Sitting next to him being like,
what? What'd you say?
Oh, don't worry about it, Armstrong.
Just look away, OK? OK, OK.
I'll just stand here and hang out Earmuffs Armstrong.
All right, good. All right, now here we go.
No. Now, if you recall from the last

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episode, I mentioned that Ronaldwas staying at the finest hotels
and hostels in the West End of London.
And while this didn't necessarily change during his
stalking and harassment of Olive, I stole the cost and
interesting little footnote about one specific place he
frequented. Frequented.

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Frequent. Frequent.
A word. Frequent, frequented,
frequented. Yeah, stumbled across an
interesting little footnote about one specific place he
loved to haunt. That works.
Now, I got to be transparent here.
What I'm going to say next has almost nothing to do with the

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story, other than adding maybe slightly a little bit more depth
to Ronald's character. You see, along with these swanky
hotels, the court records specifically point out that True
was sometimes staying at a placecalled the Savoy Turkish Baths

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in German St. This constant name drop caught
my eye and I had to dig in. And Joey, let me tell you, when
I went down that rabbit hole to find the best answer for my
question, I knew I had to share what I found.

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Not for the answer and not even for the history, but for the God
damn article title. Woah, TA.
It was only in the 1970s that the New London Spy, rather a
self-conscious, trendy guidebookfor London published first in

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the late 60s, wrote about the Savoy in German St.
Sana and Turkish baths are regularly rated and or change
management check daily. Such raids were the death knell
of the famous gay baths, which Bryant summarily describes.
Thus, to all intents and purposes, these were sex clubs

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for him. Also to cite a painting, Woods
Exercises, whose artist died in 1930 and who painted the
painting in 1925, shows the longevity of the clubs and the
tolerance or more that the ruling classes of men had for

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them. And a quote now that.
Excerpt is taken, of course, from an article titled.
Reflecting on the gay bathhouse,not let it be noted that I have

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ever been to one. A note on the Savoy Baths, 97
German Street, London, and the compatibility of artistic
memesis was surreal invention inchristopher.woodsartendquotewhichcanbefound@livesteven.com.

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OK. That I'm not shitting you.
The title of this article is reflecting on the gay bath house
and then in brackets, not dash. Let it be noted, exclamation
point dash. That I have ever been to one and
bracket a note. That's the, that's the.
I've never been to one of these,but I've never been there.

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I've never been there. Just to remind you, that's the
that's the that's a that's a a subtle way, a funny, a funny way
to be just like no, a friend told me, you know, a friend told
me what's going on this club. But what what is this articles,
this article? It was the 20s, right?
Was that in the? 20s No, no, no, no, no.

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This article was published in like I think it was like 2020 or
2015 or some shit. It's this isn't the the 2000s
recent recent and he was still writing the.
Tip. But don't worry, I haven't been
to one. No, no, no, no.
But I have not been to one, let it be noted.
Just oh in the. Middle of a title for an article

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just gets all like meta and they're like hold on but don't
think anything about me. Well, well, Gil, I really think.
He that was the. That was the that was the like
the, the, the the fucking academic equivalent of being
like no homo bro. Like that's basically.
What? It literally was.
Still he was. Trying to catch the SCO of

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people going I've never been to a bath house I've never been to
a Turkish bath house yeah yeah, I I have no clue it's crazy bro,
but this this article title yeah, I didn't the actual fun
fact I could have I just. Yeah.
No, I was like this Is that that?
That need to go in here, yeah. I have to share this.

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So so Ronald true is definitely was going to OK, I won't.
No, no, real quick, real quick. I I do want to point out though
'cause that was a lot of hits. But jokes aside, it's an
incredibly well written, well researched and very well cited
blog post, which is why I used it.

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And the link will be in the shownotes.
Just goddamn, that title, If youactually want to learn about
like, queer or gay history and like politics and the shit
going, dude, it's really fuckinggood.
It I was like, holy shit, this is boom.
This is laying everything out. And that's just because I looked
at that bath house. Now, Yeah, I'm going to get to

(36:06):
your point in just a second here, Jay.
Yep. But to figure to bring it back?
Not that the truth matters more than the assumptions we all had
unchecked, which was probably todefault Ronald True to being
straight in our heads this wholefucking time.
This note in court records is a very strong hint that they all

(36:34):
knew Ronald True was at the veryleast bisexual.
And that dog whistle when they name dropped this bath house has
fallen on deaf ears over the past 100 years as its cultural
notoriety met the Hospice care of time.
So why did I say all this? Well to harken back to Part 1

(36:57):
and two of the series, Ronald True's court case changed
British law regarding insanity and I think everyone knowing at
the time that he was by, withoutopenly saying it of course, was
in fact part of the reason they okayed such a big shift in their

(37:22):
legal system. This was a fucked up bias that
they were showing in their notes.
It was literally part of the argument made in court we can
look back at now and and laugh at for being so fucking stupid
of a reason. Much the same way that the

(37:43):
sanity of trans folks will win the opinion of common sense in
time. In short, there is so much
evidence for Ronald True's insanity, but they still felt
the need to tie his sexuality into their arguments as constant

(38:07):
bullet points. Meaning this case also plays a
role in the history of persecuting and criminalizing
people for their gender and sexuality.
This is a big deal because they,they thought for so long that
it's like, oh, they're, they're literally anything but straight.

(38:29):
That's a mental illness. So this is also da da, da, da,
da. And then it builds up right from
there because I was like, why the like they just mentioned
fancy hotels this and that and the other and they're like the
Savoy bathtub. And it just kept saying, and I
was like, why the fuck do you specifically keep pointing that
out? Like, I know what a bath house
is? And I was like, oh, so thanks to

(38:54):
thanks to that incredible article, I at least to me, a lot
of a lot of dots got connected. Honestly, things at Sounds Live,
steven.com. That sounds like Ronald True's
other other self, but I've neverbeen to one.
I've never been to one. Yeah, his other other self.
Writing that it's a fascinating article.

(39:18):
I should put the the website's no longer secure to go to, but I
did download it into archive.orgbecause I was actually I was
like, I I love research and I looked at him like, this is
fucking incredibly well researched like this is a good
piece of history and the websiteitself is dying.
So shout out archive.org. But yeah, the, the link to that

(39:40):
if you are interested in like intricacies of politics, of
queer oppression and like history and shit like that, you
should you should check it out. It's kind of fascinating, a lot
of stuff about woodcuts which I don't have ready right now.
I was going to show you, Joey, these woodcuts of what it looked
like inside of there. It's just like a a gay circus

(40:03):
trampoline of men swinging around and they're, they're
manly shafts swinging around. And it was, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Was that so So?
It looked like an orgy. It looked like an all male orgy
in in the math house. That was the woodcut carving he
was referring to in this, and that was done in 1925, a three

(40:25):
years after Ronald True was staying there.
So, you know, let me ask that question though.
Do you think that that that woodcut carving was actually
true to form or was it more likethat was like the what people
thought what you know what I mean like.
What people outside the No. Thought that was what it.
Was well, I mean, the author admits he's never been to a bath

(40:48):
house, so I don't know how much we can.
Trust him with a incredibly wellresearched thing.
But no, I've never been there. Which?
Is that I've ever been. Yeah.
Yeah, I will admit, maybe that was his sense of humor.
No, it it was notorious. And that's why in the articles
that they mentioned that the, the this is really fascinating

(41:09):
history. I'm sorry, I'm going on a
fucking tangent about it and I don't care.
I just, I just came across this.I was like holy shit.
This is this is wild. And it and it's depth, but the
the fact that in the 60s where they were quoting the the London
guidebook where it said sauna and Turkish baths are regularly

(41:29):
rated and or change management check daily.
That was a subtle way of saying that they kept getting shut down
and had to come under new management because they were
actually just gay sex houses. That's it.
It was just where dudes would come together to have gay sex
because they were anti sodomy laws.
So police would come in and raid, arrest the owner.

(41:50):
A new owner would pop up, policewould come in and raid arrest
the owner. That's what they're that's what
that fancy language translates to.
So long history of that. And that article that I keep,
you know, quoting from with the best title in the world is
talking about how there's a quote tolerance between
homosexuality and and the upper classes.

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How this was like a weird middleground where you had elites such
as Major Ronald True and common folks coming together and
expressing something that they're getting a lot of trouble
for if people found out about. Yeah.
If you lose your status, you go to jail.
Yeah. Yeah, but even at the same time,
the politicians had to be like, oh, but I'm against it.

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But I'll see you there early, you know?
Yeah. But I've never been, Have I
ever? Been let it be noted.
I still think that's the funniest.
You're right, that is the funniest thing.
That's part of the title. Bro you need to see the the
actual spelling of it too. It's just like, God damn.
It's all. Capitals, pretty much literally.

(42:59):
Back to the story. Yeah, what was I, Culture?
Yeah. So that all aside, we're gonna
skip through the week of harassment of Olive Young to the
29th of February. Spoiler, she dodged him

(43:22):
successfully for a week. Now that's good.
About 7 1/2, you know. Or about a week and a half
later, almost 10:00-ish days later. 29th of February.
Well, after spending the night in a fancy hotel and indulging
in the complimentary breastfast,the complimentary Balls Fest and

(43:48):
Breast Fest and Balls, I'd like to find this breast Fest we're
live streaming right now. Well, after spending the night
at a fancy hotel and indulging in a complimentary breakfast,
True, who by this point was completely running out of money,
slipped out the front door of one hotel directly into the

(44:11):
lobby of another hotel across the street where he quickly
convinced the receptionist. He was quickly convinced the
receptionist. He was a quote cross channel
pilot who had just arrived from Paris.
End Quote. Well after booking a room there

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for a few nights he then borrowed their phone and called
up a nearby chauffeur service and convinced them to let him
pay later as he quote just arrived from Paris via aeroplane
and had nothing but French money.
End Quote. Which honestly is a damn good
travel tip if you're ever tryingto con or swindle a Brit.

(44:53):
Just tell them all you have is French money and they will give
you whatever you want. They'll be like I just please
the money. I don't need my wallet smelling
like cheese. OK, I don't need that.
They don't need that. They don't believe that's real
money. They're just like, well, you'll,
you'll figure it out. It's fine.
But like the again, like this guy with constable just strums

(45:14):
in strides in and they're just like, oh, oh, OK, Oh, cool.
Oh, you've been you've you've been to France.
You know, with a lot of people back in this day, like
travelling outside the country, especially just coming out of a,
a World War was not a thing, youknow, like going to the United
States was a not a thing. Like most people did not travel.

(45:38):
Because multi month long trips. Yep, Yep.
So it, it's, it's amazing to that's why I think sometimes and
what we talked about earlier is why his stories get so much
people listen so much or like, yeah, kind of not step aside,
but kind of allow him to do things like not pay for stuff
'cause you're like, oh, it's fine.

(45:58):
Nowadays they're just like, no, you went to Florida.
Great, cool, great. That's that sucks for you, but
you know, they're just like, oh,you can't pay later, like I need
my money now. Oh, you, you have cash app, you
have Venmo. Just pay me now.
You know, it doesn't work now, but back then there's like, oh,
he's got some status plus him being like a Baron, the son of a

(46:18):
Baroness, you know, and and maybe major Baron, like what is
what's below a Baron? I don't know a Karen Baron's
pretty, but like, yeah, yeah. But like he's just a step below
that. So if, if he throws those words
around, people are like, oh, he he's like a Lannister.

(46:38):
He's going to pay his debts. Like they're going to, they can
get, they can get the money backfrom somewhere.
So allowing him to do that, they'll just write it down.
OK, I took him today. I'm I'm going to get tipped
probably really well like extra too.
Like they're going to give moneyto me, trust me.
Tipped, ha ha. They'll take care of the whole
shaft if you deal with me. Don't even worry.

(47:00):
Like, yeah, Tip. That's my brother, you know?
Yeah. But like, I know this great bath
house. Let me give you the directions
like. Yeah.
But but yeah, he's, it's easy for him, you know, Yeah.
To get away with. That yeah, it it's true.
It's that one of those, you know, major transitional
periods. And there's a as always with

(47:22):
Ronald true this situation. I honestly don't believe he
plays well to the situation. I believe the situation just
plays well to him because the fact of the matter is every time
the situation lasts more than a couple days, it goes terribly

(47:43):
wrong for him. Like every time it crashes, it
literally crashes. So it's it's not that.
It's just the time and the place, man.
God damn, if anybody's ever beenmore talented at showing up in
the right time in the right place, it's this mother fucker
who showed up while hallucinating a doppelganger in

(48:07):
the place where his literal doppelganger was.
Exactly. Yeah, that's just hardest to.
God damn well. Well, by that evening, a young

(48:28):
chauffeur, Luigi Mazzola, arrived at the hotel to pick up
Ronald, who wasted no time in directing Luigi over to
Armstrong's mom's house. The two men had a very important
dinner plans. The two men had very important

(48:49):
dinner plans. Later that night with an old war
buddy, Mr. Sash and his wife, whom True had run into the day
before, remembering quote True as an odd fish and quote from
his time sharing a cabin with him in the US.
Mr. Sash was among the many men who knew True as crazy but

(49:17):
excused him as harmless. Which I had to point out here
was not at all the vibe that Missus Sash, or more immediately
to the story Armstrong's mom, would glean from True.
In fact, before Armstrong was allowed to leave home that
night, he's a 30 something year old man, he was awkwardly

(49:42):
scolded and warned by his motherthat he shouldn't be hanging out
with Major True, that something was incredibly wrong with that
man, that he was a bad influence, and that she didn't
like him being around. Meanwhile, in the background

(50:04):
while this conversation was still happening, True was
peeping through her things before ultimately stealing a
check from her. Purse So I mean mothers First
off intuition intuition, intuition on friends, let's not

(50:29):
forget, but yeah yeah, every Well, that's The funny thing
too. You mentioned it is like every
woman in this story is like thisguy is not harmless.
This guy, you, everyone needs tostay away from him and the guys
are just like. Was like, yeah what the fuck?
Yeah, and every guy is like, Nah, he's crazy, but he's
harmless, right? Yeah, it's fine.

(50:49):
And and that speaks to the misogyny of the the society at
that time too. It's just the biggest thing.
But let us not forget that he is, he has a problem with
stealing things 'cause when lastepisode we talked about it, he
was stealing little things. But now he's started to go
bigger and bigger and bigger. Yep.

(51:12):
Yeah. This is very intentional.
This is, you know, after kind ofcutting, well, after literally
cutting off all contact with hisfamily.
How the hell was his mom going to send him his allowance?
He only left home. I mean, he must have left home
with a sizable amount of money, but he only left home with a
certain amount of money. His mom was still sending him

(51:33):
allowance, but then he dipped out of everything in a couple
weeks. He's getting low on cash and
he's got that influencer lifestyle to live, right?
Yes, he does. I do like to picture this
situation where it's, you know, awkward, like Ronald truce and
kind of the foyer. You know what I'm saying?

(51:55):
Like he's in like the the entrance area to the house and
like he can just hear Armstrong mob being like, do you just stop
hanging with him, Mom? I don't care, No.
I told you he's a bad influencer.
And the whole time he's like Lulu, Lulu, just reaching in.
What's in here? Just dig in.
He's like, oh, panty drawer and just like.

(52:19):
Bless you baby. That was that was Dad is
sneezing. You all right, Papa?
Infused about life anyways yeah so yeah, he was just like kind
of just being like Lulu, Lulu, Lulu oh, they're talking about

(52:42):
me, of course. Lulu, Lulu.
And then just Armstrong and his mom hop out of the room.
Armstrong just being like and his mom being like just fucking
red in the face. Armstrong, you deleterious salt
shaker of a man, you. How on earth have you been
hiding your beautiful younger sister from me this whole damn

(53:07):
time? That's my mom.
Wait, don't tell me is that is that Mama strong as he's just
like hiding the check behind hisback and she's like, fuck off,
Ronald. He's like with pleasure, RTL.
See you later, baby. And just fucking just stay
hydrated. I know that's exactly what
happened. Oh, for sure.

(53:28):
He's just trying to win her over.
And then she's like, get out of here.
That friend that everybody hates.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that. He is that.
Poor Armstrong and poor Armstrong just goes along with
whatever and he's just like, he's not oblivious obviously,
because he's he knows what's going on.
He but you're right, the idea ofhim of of him putting on

(53:49):
earmuffs when this I, when this happens, just be like Armstrong
put on your earmuffs. Your little passing in a comment
there is like, it's so true, 'cause he's just like, all
right, all right, I'll guess so.This is what I imagine him
saying like, all right, like Ronald or what are what are what
are we doing today, Ronald? Yeah, OK.

(54:10):
We're gonna go steal, steal money.
You've been calling this girl for a week.
I wonder why she's not answering, but I guess.
Do you want me to call? I'll call.
You just want to pretend to be being call.
That's cool. Hey, from now on, instead of me
saying whatever, can you just say whatever?

(54:32):
Cool. Yeah, I'm just too tired.
It's about to get even. It's about to get even worse
with with Armstrong and his justunstoppable ability to what a
talent things. What a talent.
God damn, again, the perfect sidekick because this whole time

(54:58):
he's the only male who is close enough to Ronald True to
actually be able to for society and legislative and
administrative hands and whatever to do something about

(55:18):
what is coming up. He's the only one.
He's spending like 20 hours a day with him.
He's the only one that people would listen to is another man
because clearly literally nobodyis listening to any woman in
this situation. And the one dude who's right
there with him is just like, I didn't even hear him say that.
The what now? Dodge.

(55:39):
I mean, I didn't see anything wrong with selling them a gun.
I mean, sure, he didn't wear a hat, but like, I don't always
wear a hat when I shower. I know that's weird, but
sometimes I take it off, you know, like, he's the only one,
which is why I have so much hatred towards me.
Yeah, he is an enabler. He is completely an enabler.
But what's weird is Ronald Trueractually wears a hat when he

(56:01):
when he showers, not when he's not showering.
So it's like. Obviously you're thinking about
hair wet. Yeah, yeah.
I can't get my hair wet. That's how they get to you.
The two soon made their way to dinner with the Sashas and upon
wrapping up the evening were riding home with the Luigi when
suddenly Drew demanded to be taken to nearby intersection.

(56:24):
It was around 11 when they arrived and true, without saying
a damn thing to either Armstrongor Luigi, hopped out of the car
and ran down the street for a few minutes.
When he came back, he told the two men that he had gone to

(56:47):
check up on some friends to see if they were home, but sadly
they weren't. After that, Armstrong was
dropped off at home and Drew wastaken back to his hotel where he
dismissed where he dismissed Luigi for the night.

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A few days would pass and on Friday, March 3rd, True's
family, who hadn't heard from True in weeks, reached out to
Scotland Yard to warn them aboutRonald, who had gone crazy and
was running around London with aloaded gun.

(57:31):
The police told the concerned family that since he hadn't
actually broken any laws, they couldn't really do anything.
But as an alternative they gave the family contact information
for a retired officer, Ex Inspector Stockley, who after

(57:52):
leaving the force had become a private detective and within
hours they hired him to find Ronald True.
That's no different than what would happen now.
That's just literally the same thing, which is kind of funny.
I also want to point out that it's True's wife, his mom, and

(58:14):
his aunt, all three women. So again, nobody's listening to
women. He also has kids, correct?
I think he has 2. He is one just Ronald F True.
Oh, that's right. Yeah.
Yeah, that's right. Just like John F Kennedy.

(58:37):
That was good. That was really funny.
Good. Oh, my God.
Honestly, I don't think he needed all that back surgery
from the war. I think I would have needed it
from. Yeah.
Anyhow, the weight of America. Anyways, by that same evening,

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True, Armstrong and the Sashes were dining together the high
end London restaurant. It was here the True proceeded
to ramble to the Sasha's nearly identical stories to the ones he
had told to Missus Wilson a few weeks earlier.
But unlike when the actual Ronald True was nearby, this

(59:26):
time he started pointing out random people in the restaurant,
patrons like Jayden, Jackie, Ave.
Lucas, Yellow Bear, Tim Ian, Rachelle, Dwayne AKA Snatched
Bot Marissa who just joined Welcome Max Morgan Dragon Paw
from the Star Blood Chronicles podcast.

(59:46):
Miller's Monsters, Alyssa Bree, Gavin, the leader of the chicken
cult, James Michael, Extreme Christian from the Paranorm Girl
podcast, and maybe most diabolically of all, member of
our Sexiest Producer tier. Happy Kitty.
Absolute slander. If you ask me.

(01:00:07):
This is one of the most part of things true's done, yeah.
Right, right. Every time.
Thank you for all of you being our patrons.
Yes, well. After True mumbled through and
made claims about these random incredible people who are all
members of the Black Cat Report Patreon, he pointed out to other

(01:00:30):
people in particular. Neither of which, by the way,
looked anything like him. The first some random dancer on
stage who he said owed him 5000 lbs due to forged checks and
random bills made in his name. As for the other man, Drew
claimed he was armed, completelyinsane, and he was most anxious

(01:00:56):
to settle the score with him. But unfortunately, every time
Drew attempted to set up an appointment to kill this other
man, the man was always busy. However, this Sunday, Drew was
finally going to kill him. In fact, he was so confident

(01:01:16):
about this that he told the Sashas to check the newspapers
Monday morning for headlines about the murder.
After that, he flipped over the menu and proceeded to draw out
the floor plans to the other Ronald True's basement

(01:01:37):
apartment. Woah, poke, poke, nudge, nudge.
Intense. He's just projecting right now
still. UN poquito well, dismissing
True's plan, timeline, and strategy to kill someone, Mr.
Sash would later say that he just assumed True had gone more

(01:02:01):
crazy since the last time he'd really seen him in 1917.
But he was harmless. So crazy.
I mean, literally that that harmless is the is the word of
the day. I think harmless.
Fuck, yeah. He's projecting, though.

(01:02:24):
Yeah, yeah, I can't believe that.
I mean, I can't believe that they're just like, he's
harmless, whatever. But he's projecting these things
onto the other people. He's projecting the person
stealing his money, which is literally just him stealing
money from the original Ronald True.
He's projecting his violent sidelike his criminal side.

(01:02:45):
He's projecting onto that one person, then he's projecting his
violent side over to the other person.
So he's kind of, we want to talkabout it, the idea he's
schizophrenic and he's just projecting these people that
they're the archetypes that are in his brain of himself.
Yeah, if you, if you listen to the not that I'm like trying to

(01:03:09):
promote episode 2 constantly in episode 3, but I really tried to
hammer that home in episode 2 with when I was saying like he
is. It was around the area where I
was talking about him starting to to become like a kleptomaniac
and shoplifting. Oh yeah, he, he is starting to

(01:03:34):
combat the world's as he's turning like inwards his
expectations of his self and his, his grandiose ideas and
stuff like that. Like fine, like he's, he's
coming to terms with these things and it's like eating him
alive, which is really intense in terms of like his overall
schizophrenia and how it's like how it's coming to be displayed.

(01:03:57):
He's projecting an honest truth of himself, like you were
saying, into the world because the only way he can acknowledge
it is if it's not him, but he's finally being forced to
acknowledge it. Just part of the the absolute

(01:04:20):
deterioration of him. It's very, This is why I had
that long, you know, kind of philosophical, like rant at the
end of the last episode was guyslike these topics and how it
gets covered. It's not just the and then he
went here and he did this and hewas fucking crazy and started
killing people. Fuck that guy.

(01:04:40):
You know, it's like, no, you're very close to the deterioration
in this man's life. And it it, it begs.
Questions. But yeah, it's sad, the
deterioration of him. It's very but the but the
moments are funny, like the yeah, the there's that funny
shit, the funny part, Yeah, the moments of him.

(01:05:00):
There's of his like. The the coincidences, First off
that happens are just freaking funny and just what he does.
But the the mental state of him is not funny.
That is sad because he is deteriorating right throughout
this whole story that you're telling.
He's just, yeah. Yeah, yeah, This is why I was

(01:05:22):
all heavy at the end of episode 2 where I was just kind of like
I'd had to face a lot of things like questioning what's OK to
joke about what's not OK cuz. Yeah.
There's some funny shit here andhe's a douche, but also he, you
can see him going crazy and I'm leaving, obviously, you know, a
300 and something page book of court documents and stuff.

(01:05:45):
You know, in total for all theseepisodes, it's going to be 35
pages of scripts. I'm leaving a lot out, you know,
but but, but yeah, man, any who's we're the Cliff Notes.
Cliff Notes. Yeah.

(01:06:06):
Well, dinner ended and the two pairs separated for the evening.
And True yet again ordered Luigito stop at the same random
intersection where at 11:00 he jumped out and came back a few
minutes later, telling Armstrongand Luigi that sadly, his

(01:06:30):
friends just weren't home. That Saturday the Sasha's and
True yet again met up again. The amount of enabling and shit
that's happening here is fuckingit is insane.
Ronald True is closer to sanity compared to everyone else.
Well, they again met up, but this time it was for lunch and

(01:06:53):
without Armstrong. I left some Cliff notes for
myself here. I didn't want to write it out
forever because it's a lot of just kind of dinners and updates
and shit leading up to shit. You know, if you can't tell by
now, the reason why I'm emphasizing specific dates
leading up is because we're getting close to the climax.
Well, we're almost there. Basically the the Sasha's and

(01:07:19):
you know, true they they went out for lunch without Armstrong
and they went to this tea house.Right at this tea house there
was some random ass fucking guy like 2 tables over probably just
jolly as fucking hound just sipping his tea.

(01:07:39):
Be like, that's so great to be British today and just like
sipping fucking tea. Having a scone.
Yeah, a scone, and I've never been to a gay.
Was that that was the actual that was the guy's grandparents.
I don't know him. Yeah.

(01:08:02):
I will most definitely not see him tonight at 7:30 PM or 8:00
if his wife takes forever to fall asleep.
But any God damn, that title's incredible.
I hope to write that great someday, but I I really mean it.

(01:08:22):
That is. I've read it 1000 times.
It's so good. It gets better every time.
But he's fine. He's never runs out, you know?
He's in the tea house, right? Here, so he's in the tea house
and and he's sitting there and he gets back into the the Ronald

(01:08:43):
true hunting Ronald true mode. And he starts looking around
just truthful. And I'm not about to shout out
more patrons, but I hope you allcaught that and weren't asleep
at that point in the episode. But he looks over and there's
some random motherfucker just like sipping you like la da da
da da da da. I think I'll go for a walk with
my new Labradoodle later. And Ronald truth like leans into

(01:09:06):
the sashes and he's like, see that guy over there?
Do you see that son of a fuckingbitch?
That's my arch nemesis. I fucking hate him.
I'm going to kill that man. Oh, and the Sasha's are sitting
there like, oh, hey, we're Americans.

(01:09:31):
We don't really understand tea culture.
You all know what we did the last time you shipped some over.
Is this, is this what they mean,what they say?
Spilling tea? Is this what that's No, just
fucking listen. I'm going to excuse me, Sir.
A waiter walks up at this, this very fancy tea house.
He says the phone is ready for you.

(01:09:54):
Now here's the deal. Ronald True told the staff that
at a certain time they should come interrupt their
conversation and tell him the phone is ready.
He basically said I need to makea call at 1:30, please let me
know when it's 130 and get me and have your line open.

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And they were like, yes, Sir, anything you want, Sir.
So Ronald True stood up and he'slike, oh, I have an important
call that I must take. Excuse me?
And he walked away whole time, guys in the background.
Yes, this scone is delightful. Never been to a gay bottles?
No, no, no. Maybe this scone has, Maybe this

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T has, but not me. Leave steven.com.
So it's going to be a bitch to adjust that audio so it doesn't
kill people's ears later. But yeah, I need like 8
microphones for different frequencies of voices.

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But but yeah, so Ronald True gets up and he's like, I have to
take an important call and just leaves.
And the sashes are just like, well, I guess you know, when in
Rome, the hard when in Britain do as the Brits do.
What are we doing here? Right.
Why? Why is this like, the third day
in a row we're hanging out with him?
Yeah, He's an old war buddy fromthe States.

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Yeah, I know. But you told me you didn't like
him. Yeah, he's the only one we know.
Fuck, you know so. That's a that's.
Very cheerful. In another country it is.
He's the only person we know, sowe got to deal with this.
Crazy stuff. You know that's true places.
So anyways, Ronald True comes back again.

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The guy's in the fucking background.
He's like, yeah, so I ran into him in the parking lot and we
had a real How do you do? I had to basically summarize a
long thing. He told them that he had to beat
that dude's ass because he hadn't been abusing his wife.

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All of parking back, yeah, yeah.Had been abusing his wife Olive,
and they got it worked out and everything's fair and square.
The phone call actually happenedto be from Olive.
So it's like. Olive, are you doing OK,
sweetheart? He's been so mean to me.

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Oh, I'm so glad you found the real Ronald.
True. I'll be there for you, baby.
Yes, thank you. SO.
Much. Wait, I think I'll see him in
the parking lot. I'll be back, my sweetie.
And then he went out, they had ahow do you do?
They beat each other's ass. He showed him who's fucking boss
said, oh, that was absolutely wild.
But I'm glad I got that result whole time.
Can I get into the? Stone the dude was still in the

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view of the sashes. Like I'm, I'm pointing this out
because of the literal obvious fucking insanity that is taking
place in front of them. Like they could have maybe
passed it off as well. He's a little bit kooky.
Oh, maybe he does have some issues.
We don't know what the fuck's going on, you know, da da da da,

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da. They could have passed it off in
so many ways, but he just came back and just bold faced
directly, obviously lied to them.
Everybody knew and whatever, youknow, whatever.
To the point. Hold on.
Yeah, Go ahead. Please.
Please. Please, please.
No, no. They so they don't they, these

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guys, the Sashas know him enoughto go when they visit him, they
see him, but they don't do they know that his his wife is not.
They ran into each other. It was a, it was a total random.
They ran into each other in the street.
And in terms of Olive, he wasn'tsaying his wife was named Olive.

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He was getting involved in the affairs of a man who was sitting
right over there and also imitating him.
The other Ronald. True.
Yeah. Who was beating his wife named
Olive. OK again, not what you that the
great point that you made aroundprojecting.
Yep. Right.

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You always got that prophecy. That prophecy, Joey Lee.
But. Most of that's why they call me
properly. And there's a digital record of
it. Most of the time you do.
Yeah. So.
So you can't say sometimes, motherfucker, it's like 90%.
But yeah. So on top of that, he proceeded
to go on about, you know, more ideas and more talk and more

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planning for killing on Sunday. This is Saturday.
Well, after which, and I swear to God, right after all of this
true crafted an elaborate story and convinced Sasha's wife to
cash the check he had stolen from Armstrong's mom.

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How just oh, well, it seems as though the banks are closed
today as it's Saturday. You're going to have to cash
this over at a regular grocery store.
And you know, I, it's just she was going to change the name on
it, but she's out of town and dada da da da da da.
And you can work as a missus andyou've met Armstrong.

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Why would you be worried about that?
You know, we're best friends. I would never do something like
that. Like he on top of obviously
guests like that Beaker activelyconvinced her to cash this
check, which I think it was likea 7 LB seven pound check, which
with the 5 lbs from earlier thatwas 300 and something dollars, 7

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lbs gonna be like 8 or 900 something.
This is a lot of fucking money that's being cash.
Especially in economically, likewar-torn, you know, war deprived
Britain at this time, you know, right after the war. 110%, yeah,
yeah. So he's a sketch comedian, like
it nowadays. He would be like the best

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comedian ever. Yeah, yeah, yes.
And everything. Yeah, to go along with his Yes.
And I live in whatever new worldwith this kind this dialogue is
setting up. Well, so yeah, that's what
happened at that little tea break.
Now, that night, they all met upfor dinner again, this time with

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Armstrong. And afterwards, the True crew,
as I'll call them, stopped at 11:00 PM at the same
intersection. True ran off, came back, and the
night ended without anyone asking a single fucking
question. The next day, Sunday, Sunday,

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the day he said he's going to murder somebody, Luigi drove
Ronald and Armstrong out of towninto a bungalow owned by
Armstrong's family. The two men then proceeded to
basically just kind of fuck around and spend the day goofing
off while they were practicing shooting cans until it finally

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got to be dark outside, at whichpoint Luigi drove them back to
London. Where upon arriving, Ronald
ordered Luigi to head to the same intersection as all the
previous nights, but this time they were late.

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He's a every evening that Ronaldhad been sneaking off to quote
check on friends, he had actually reread again.
Sorry, hold on one. 2nd earpiecebothering you?
You see, every evening that Ronald had been sneaking off to

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check on friends, he had actually been peering down the
street looking to the doorway ofApt 13 AC.
If the lamp hanging above the entrance was still lit, it was a
subtle but important signal for someone of Olive's profession

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was one that she used to communicate with nearby friends.
If the lamp was lit, she was still out.
If it was off, she had made it home safe.
But on the night of Sunday, March 5th, the darkness of her

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doorway became a screaming invitation, the obsessions of a
madman. It was somewhere between 11 and
midnight when Ronald saw the lamp light was out.
In response, he quickly made hisway back to Luigi and Armstrong
told them his friends weren't home and they drove Armstrong

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back to his house. After dropping him off, Drew
ordered Luigi to head back to the same intersection
immediately, but this time, whenthey arrived, he directed Luigi
straight to Olive Young's apartment complex, where he had
him stop at the gated entranceway of Apt 13A.

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Drew stepped out of the car and dismissed Luigi for the night,
telling him to come back in the morning.
I'm picking up, telling him to come back in the morning and
pick him up at 11:00 AM on nearby Finborough Road.

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Now I feel it's important to note here, same as they noted it
in the book, that Olive Young, being of the profession she was,
didn't make a habit. Of raising an alarm or calling
the police in the middle of the night.

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Which may help to explain why, when she opened up her door and
saw the man who had been stalking and harassing her
relentlessly, she chose to simply let him in.

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Still lying together in the bed,Ronald seemed to have woken up
first. It was early, 7:00 or 8:00 AM,
and so Ronald quietly and carefully got up and made his
way to the front door where he helped himself to her morning

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paper. He then made his way to her
kitchen where he read through the day's news as he prepared
tea for Olive. Still resting deep and slumber
silently, he circled back to Olive's bedroom before carefully
and sweetly waking her up. She smiled as she leaned on her

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side and took a sip of tea. He then bashed her head in with
a rolling pin, causing blood to instantly begin gurgling from
the side of her skull as he grabbed her by the mouth and
forced a kitchen towel down her throat until it reached her
larynx. Still not enough for him, he

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ripped the girdle from her gown and wrapped it tightly around
her neck, nodding it with his first as he grabbed the heavy
rolling pin, lifting it high above his head before bringing
it down again and again and again until he crumbled her
skull with four more blows. The room was soaked in Olive's
blood and skull fragments as Ronald dragged her body into the

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attached bathroom and left it onthe floor.
It would still be another hour or so before Olive's assistant,
Emily Steele, would arrive to make Olive's breakfast and clean
up her house. And Joey.
As we all know, no great murder story is complete without a

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great escape. And of course, Ronald True, the
man, the myth, the mastermind was truly no exception.
After finishing his tea and crumpets with the quickness,
Ronald rifled through Olive's person belongings, grabbing any
cash and jewelry he could find. Then, with the cunning of a 12
year old sneaking out of summer camp at night, he took pillows

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and lined them up in bed under the covers to make it look like
Olive was still sleeping. Keep in mind the bedroom and his
clothes are still completely covered in blood.
Covered in blood. Well shortly after completing
his David Blaine like hide the murder victim illusions Emily

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Steele arrived at Olives. Emily Steele arrived at Olives.
Walking in, Emily immediately noticed a man's coat in the
entrance way. But she just ignores it because
frankly, you know, it's, there'salways some random man's coat.
Left it here in the house. Left it here.

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Yeah. It's not unusual for a high end
escort to have a man's coat, youknow what I'm saying?
Like this is she's, she knows, you know, and she's like, Oh
yeah, got to be quiet. Can't, can't, can't interfere
with the, with the masters business, you know, whatever.
Well, basically, assuming Olive is still busy with work, Emily

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proceeds to very quietly make yourself breakfast and then
eventually get started tidying up the house.
Just a quick little meal, some toast, some this or that.
It wouldn't be until around 9:30, a full half an hour after
Emily arrived, that True hops out of the bedroom.
And before she could say a word,he told her to leave Olive alone

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for a little while, as they had had quite a long night, quite a
long rambunctious night, and that she was still sleeping.
You know what I mean, right? You know what I mean.
We, we did the deed. We did The Dirty.
We poked the polar bear. Yes, I'm, I'm fascinating.

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Anyways, I just crashed landed from heaven and bore my legs
tired. Could you help me with my coat?
God. I made-up that most of that
quote, but anyways, Emily did, and as she helped Ronald put on
his coat, she not only saw the blood he still had all over him,

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but also discovered Olive's jewelry in one of his coat
pockets. Upon her pulling it out, Ronald
quickly snatched it up and assured her he had just brought
this back. That I just got this in in Paris
when I was out of the country for the weekend.
Basically, he just said he just bought this random women's

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jewelry when he travelled out ofthe country.
Yeah, weird of a fucking situation.
This is for somebody who's that?Like Emily is so goddamn close
to all of the amount of times that I'm sure Emily had to put
away Olive's jewelry. Yeah, she knows what she has.
Yeah, she. Knows exactly.
And he's covered in blood. She knows like this is very

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intense. Situation.
I had a Jelly accident. Let me tell you real Raspberry.
No, but I gotta go. Yeah, but yeah, this is a very
tense situation for Emily. She's aware of everything that's
happening. Well, he said his goodbyes and
she proceeded to watch Ronald Hale a cab down the street.

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Making sure he's. Within minutes, yes, Emily
Steele would discover Olive's lifeless body lying on the floor
of the bathroom and she immediately phoned the police.
Not olive. Come on.
Yeah, Emily got some serious fucking St. smarts in that
situation and just giving her serious props, but, well, here's

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the deal. True.
Now on the Run takes the taxi toa nearby post office where he
calls the garage Luigi works at and tells him there had to be a
change of plans and that he should go pick up Armstrong and
meet him at the Strand corner house.

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It's irrelevant what the fuck that house is and where the
location is, just that's where it happened.
Next, he hopped back into the taxi and directed the driver to
a nearby men's outfitter store, where upon arriving, he again
told the driver to wait out front.
Now, having been in a regular regular at this outfitter store,

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True made a beeline to an unsuspecting assistant he had
met there before. Listen man, I'm in a tight
situation. I'm in tight spot.
I need your help. I need, I need a hatch now.
That'll do it, I swear to God. That'll stop people from looking

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at the blood all over him. Y'all thought I was just
bringing up hats for no reason? Yeah, that's what's going to
stop it, and that's also his disguise.
Disguise the. Thing he does for his disguise.
Is going to try to. Get I don't know if you've ever

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watched those. I don't know if you've ever
watched those spy movies, but a good baseball cap will hide your
identity from literally everybody. 10 times out of nine
works every time. Yep.
But I do just picture him in themirror grinning.

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Ronald, you are an evil genius. No one.
And I mean, I know one. I suspect Ronald True of wearing
a hat. Like he just so boom.
You know. Yeah.
And he was kind of right. Him at Ronald.
Well, shocked but stuck at work,the assistant helped True pick

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out a hat, after which True proceed, after which True
proceeded to unbutton his overcoat, revealing to the now
horrified assistant that he's covered in fresh blood stains.
Right. Yeah, what the fuck?

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He's like, they don't pay. Me.
And then he stops looking at thehat and he looks down.
Oh God, there's blood too. I'm like just shock, shock.
Ronald's response. And I swear to fucking God, I'm
quoting. Oh, those.
Yeah, I had. I just had a flying accident.
Anyways, I'm going to need a newsuit ASAP.

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That tracks. That tracks though, if the guy
knew him, though if the guy knewhim, he's just like, yeah,
tracks. Oh yeah, I didn't, I assume.
Did you hit like? Six birds in the sky with your
chest. Is that, like, you're not even
hobbling as you're walking in here?
You know, like, come on. But like, the guys probably
just, like, they don't pay me enough for this, you know, like

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he says, I don't get paid. Not at all.
I'll get you a new suit. Yeah.
Yeah, I'll just get you a new suit.
Yeah, so anyways, the need a newsuit ASAP.
Meanwhile meanwhile during all of this, this little hat and
then him saying that he needs a new suit, police from Scotland

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Yard had already arrived at Olives flat within 1/2 an hour
of true leaving. That means 10:00 AM ish.
They'd already made their way there.
The cause of death was obvious. The murder weapon was just lying

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there, while a broken teacup with spilled tea was by the same
side of the bed where a bloody body streak started.
The path straight to Olive's body lying in the bathroom.
This was open and shut case, youknow, like it was just
obviously, obviously we know what the fuck happened.

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Yeah. Obviously she was making cookies
and she fell and got fell in thebake after their head a few
times. After the detectives swiftly and
promptly and with the most prejudice, investigated the
spilled tea, they realized therewas a dead body on the scene.
Yeah, yeah, this is obviously the Pillsbury Doughboy's fault.

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God. Damn it, it was probably an
American. Oh yeah, well, I mean, he was in
America, I guess. Do you hear about those Sasha's?
No, but point is a corner soon measured Olives body temp and
after comparing it to the temperature in the room, quickly
determine the approximate time of Olives murder.

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This dude was really good. Hopped on in there and was like
boom boom boom. It's within 15 minutes of this
fucking happening, right? And I can't stress to you enough
any of y'all out there how fucking fast this team work.
It took almost no time at all for the inspector, Detective,

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and Doctor to completely map outthe timeline of events, noting
the five head wounds and the strangulation marks.
From the cord that was on her dressing gown, to the fact that
all of the doors and windows were locked, leading them to
quickly surmise that the killer was only let in by Olive.

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And to top it all off, while taking Emily Steele's testimony,
one of the officers found RonaldTrue's business card left on the
God damn table. That was purpose.
I that was purposeful. I can't predict that activate

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him. You might be right, but I don't
know which one of him did it on purpose.
Yeah, yeah. But.
The one reading the paper. Back to the suit store, True
proceeds to try on nearly everything they have in stock
before finally settling on a fancy lounge suit, which he
tells the assistant he'll be leaving in after checking out.

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So naturally the assistant starts wrapping up the old
bloody suit for Ronald and in the process of clearing out its
pockets, the assistant discoversa small jewel case.
Ronald grabs it and says. I had just picked these up in
France actually. He gave a quick RT out and

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hopped back into the waiting cab, which took him next to a
nearby Barber shop where, after discharging the cab, Ronald ran
inside to get a shave and a brush.
By this point police had alreadyarrived back at the station and

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within probably less time than the beard trim, we're already
getting an earful from ex Inspector Stockley as he was
delivering them a good old fashioned I told you so.
He then proceeded to tell the officers everything he had
learned about True so far, including the fact that True was

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carrying a loaded gun. After assessing the scene of
Olive's murder, almost all of the Scotland Yards investigators
initial work was done for them. They basically just had to copy
down Stockley's notes like that was it?

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They went there, addressed the scene in like 2 minutes, came
back and we're just wait, did you?
Is that an A or B? They just like copied it down
like last night's homework off of a friend sheet, you know,
back at the barbershop. And I'm doing my best here to
try to show you a play by play with these timelines.
This is how fast it's going downback at the fucking Barber shop.

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True finishes up and hands the bag with the blood stained suit
to the Barber and says, You mindholding this for a little while?
I'll be back for it later. Those are quotes.
He then dips out and makes his way to a nearby pawn shop where
he sold off Olive's jewelry before scurrying over to the

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rendezvous point with Armstrong and Luigi, both of which made
note that they nearly had a heart attack upon seeing Ronald
True in a hat. With the perfect disguise now
complete, Ronald has Luigi drivethem outside of London to a

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place called Krydon to see some internal combustion engines.
They were interested in basically, basically they went
to a trade show for gas engineers.
That's that's where they went. Dude, he's doing his best Grand
Theft Auto. He literally, he literally
changed his hat. He like he committed the crime.

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He went away real quickly. The police arrived there and
they're now like sketching him. They have the look of it.
He's got like 3 or 4 stars rightnow and he just does a shave,
gets a new hat, gets new clothes, and then he just leaves
down. He's waiting.
He's waiting for the blinking stars to go away.
He might be. He might be crazy enough at this
point that he's actually seeing the stars.

(01:37:26):
Oh shit, I got four stars. Yeah, I got four stars.
I. Get one more, the tanks are
going to come. Yeah, yeah.
And maybe the planes. Maybe never tried a helicopter.
And then he freaking gets, oh, it's even better because then he
gets a plane and he flies away and he's got the yes and
crashes, which has happened Grand Theft Auto, but.

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God damn it, our next game night, Joey, we're playing Grand
Theft Auto. We'll throw it up on just but
like I'm honestly doing a Joey. You know how much time I spent
obsessing over the timeline of these events?
This was a mother Cooper all right to to time it out, but

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this is how quick shit's happening.
Ronald True went and got a hat, which I imagine was a big deal
for him and probably involved a lot of crying.
He went and got a hat, immediately, got a suit and
then, you know, went to go get his beard trimmed and, like,

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brushed and shit like that, basically to get slightly done.
That look good. Yeah.
By the time he had gotten a hat and a suit, the investigator,
the detective, the doctor were done.
At the murder scene, they were done.
They were already across town back at fucking Scotland Yard

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and had already come in contact with Stockley, who was like, oh,
that's Ronald True, let me tell you about him.
And was giving them all the. That's how fucking quick this
happened. This is like an hour and a half.
They were like up that, that, that, that.
Yeah, they're like, this is, Yep, fucking Easy Bake Oven of

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CSI, right? Yeah, which is weird for AI mean
I guess. Scotland Yard is notoriously
pretty decent about the about researching.
I imagine this helped with theirreputation.
It did help with their reputation.
It did. It helped that the Pi was also
there that had already been researching into it, but they
had already gotten, I mean, OK, let me let me put it.

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I'm not gonna, I'm gonna say anything.
Great job getting this, but theyliterally had a smoking gun with
his business card that was left there on the table and they're
just like, Oh yeah, well, he just gave us his name.
No big, no big deal. But it is weird that it's TREW.
It was wait a second, he's beating the shit out of the good

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doppelganger and Berry. I was never there.
I was never there. I was with my wife in church.
Yeah, right, you piece of shit. We heard about what you do.
There's just like a line of people and bookies in the
background rolling up their sleeves, getting ready to beat
them up to. Let us say them mixed, yeah.

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Yeah, we loved Olive. You know I like, damn, he's like
I got away with. It they would have gotten.
Away with the two. If it hadn't been for the two
True. But this is fucking insane.
Like, I'm sorry, I've never seensome shit just degrade so
fucking fast. And you know, Ronald True had so

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much time to plan. He had so much fucking time to
plan. So basically they went to a
trade show for gas engineers. By the time they got to Krydon
it was 4 P True. Immediately bought a newspaper,

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the headlines of which read Murder of Olive Young.
It had only been 6 1/2 hours since Ronald True left Olive
Young's house. That's it.
This is 123 or no, Sorry, this is 103 years ago.

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Yeah, this is 103 years ago. That's how fucking quick the
news travel. Yeah, that's faster sometimes
than a news article will be out now.
Which is crazy and again, pointing out the the status when
I when I earlier on when I said that she was like high end, high

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class, like very in demand, all in the sort like this.
She was a known figure, right? This made news.
Yeah, for sure. Well, upon seeing the headlines,
Ronald tossed the newspaper intothe car and said nothing of

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interest. That's a direct quote.
Makes sense. That makes sense with his his
character right now. Well, within a few hours, Luigi
had taken them back to London for dinner, after which he
chauffeured Ronald and Armstrongto the Hammersmith Palace of

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Varieties to catch a 9:00 PM show.
Once they arrived finish, the two men went inside and before
they. Were even able.
To settle into their seats, another audience member traded
them for better private seating.Nice.

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Meanwhile, Luigi was. Arriving back at his employer.
'S garage, where as soon as he pulled up, he was met by
investigators. From.
Scotland Yard, now Luigi, who I imagine had yet to be paid for
anything. Yep, wasted no time telling the

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investigators everything in excruciating detail.
Long of a short of it. Before the show at Hammersmith
was even through, police walked into the private box and
arrested Ronald True. Now the single performer or

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audience member even noticed. Damn, what a quiet takedown.
Yes, yeah, they hadn't. They had enough information
about true, but the loaded gun and they were worried about
going in there like this is a madman in a theater with a
loaded gun like the, you know, these aren't American cops.

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They actually think about these things and they were trying to
figure out they had enough information by the time they
went and they knew the seats hadbeen fucking traded and they
could arrest him quietly. You know, they're not going to
interrupt the show. Also for any Clash fans out
there that Hammersmith is the Hammersmith from White Man and

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Hammersmith. A very famous song.
About the Clash, which I'm not afan of, but I did notice the
name and I looked it up, it doesn't and no longer exist, but
it's a very historical venue. It's like even older than say
like the Fillmore or some shit like that.
Like it's like a very, you know,boom boom.
That's cool. That's good that they got him

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so. Quickly and with SO.
Easy, right? It it was basically like 13
hours. Yeah, that's, that's about how
long it took. Yeah.
And that includes Ronald True leaving town, coming.
Like, dude, just this shit movedso fast.

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Well, by May True was on trial. His lawyer had a very difficult
path in front of him because hislawyer was pleading insanity.
Now I'm not. Going to get into the nitty
gritty of British law and Joe, it's just like, thank you, God

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of British law. I think I speak for everybody.
Thank you. Thank you, Gil.
Of British law around. Insanity defenses, but I've been
like, you know edging us towardsit this entire time about how
this case kind of changed the trajectory of law and for an
entire country right that's a that's a pretty big deal, right
well, The thing is is that at the time of Ronald True first,

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you know going up on the insanity defense right British
law had a very. A very.
Intense philosophical system that had hardly been pushed or
checked when it came to insanityand what all the white wigs and

(01:46:25):
philosophicer philosophicers philosophers in British law were
were basically getting at because again, it was mostly
theoretical in their minds, right?
Was that even if someone's insane, that doesn't mean that
A, they weren't in control at the time they killed someone and

(01:46:50):
B, that they didn't know right from wrong.
And so you kind of, you had to meet both of those
qualifications in British law. You had to very hardly detached
from the concept of right and wrong, and you had to be
completely detached from knowingwhat you were doing right.

(01:47:12):
It's hard to do, so it's a. Very difficult.
Defense to say you. Can't just say.
That somebody's. Crazy.
So all the time they're crazy. That's not how it works.
You have to say they were crazy and that it was in one of those
brief windows where they were having a schizophrenic episode
that they committed this crime, right?

(01:47:35):
Ronald True has all along. A long.
Detailed history of this deterioration, these, these
delusions, the development of fantasy, this mixture of fantasy
and reality and reality and fantasy and just like it.
This is why there's so much to this case.
And here's the deal. Trial, which took place in front

(01:47:59):
of a jury, only lasted 5 days before the jury sentenced him to
death. Right, the guilty plea or the
the. The the.
Insanity defense did not work atfirst.
It started on trial. Started on May 1st.

(01:48:19):
True was found guilty by a jury and sentenced to death on May
5th. I know how short that is because
I was on a trial. As a jury member and it was a
murder trial and it's never it'sit's very hard to be like this

(01:48:41):
is guilty, especially with the way that lawyers are are
justifying things that happened or justifying reasons.
And you have to look at both sides.
Four days is fucking quick for amurder trial.
Yes, yes, and. Something funny I've included.

(01:49:01):
A good 90. Percent of the testimony through
these past three episodes. But the farmer from New Zealand
when true was a kid, his aunt, Ithink the the only person who I
didn't explicitly mention died. You know, the only person who
I've mentioned in the story thatprobably didn't testify in this

(01:49:25):
trial was his mom. I don't, I don't think his wife
ever testified. I might be wrong, but like every
name that I've mentioned in herehas testified, including
Armstrong, who, dear God if you don't hate him by now, magically

(01:49:47):
didn't remember or somehow didn't hear every incriminating
thing that ever happened during any point of this entire God
damn scenario. Armstrong was, well, I don't
think I recall that situation where I was eating dinner at the
same table as all of them and hewas talking about the other

(01:50:09):
Ronald. True.
Now, I don't think he ever told me about the other Ronald True.
Armstrong literally had the way the records show.
Never heard about the other Ronald.
True. Which I don't fucking believe
Gil at all in the least. Gil Armstrong ain't no snitch.

(01:50:30):
He ain't. No, Armstrong ain't no snitch if
you are a criminal. Get you a bro named Armstrong.
That's gonna just, I don't remember what happened.
And you know what? He actually went on to create
one of the leading brands of earmuffs called Armstrong's
Earmuffs. And he is, it is now he sold it

(01:50:51):
to Patagonia. And now.
Yeah. And he sold it to Patagonia.
And now he's, well, I mean, he'spassed away, but his family is,
is doing really well. You know what I mean?
But it's it's a, it's a. Fucking it's a trip.
It's a it's a trip. Yeah, Damn.
Yeah, yeah, every fair like to be fair like was it gonna?

(01:51:15):
Like was his testimony going to help the insanity plea?
Because 100% made sure he didn'tgo to jail.
That's what it. Did.
Yeah, but for sure, would that have helped the insanity plea,
you know? What I mean like, because he
would have been like, no, he went crazy.
So he kind of did in a way, looking at it, he kind of
screwed over his friend but madesure he didn't go to jail.

(01:51:40):
So which is kind of like, he's not a good bro, He's not a good,
he's not a snitch, but it's a hard spot to be in.
No, no, I'm backpedaling now. I'm backpedaling.
On his school friendship, fuck I'm sorry.
Yeah, he fuck on both, both sides of it.
He did not help anybody. Yeah, yeah.
This is an orgy of fuck them both but yeah so.
Everybody fucking testified. That's where it does so much of

(01:52:02):
this, this story and the breakdown in summary and stuff
comes from. Well anyways, Fast forward a
little bit. So true.
Goes to jail. Totally fucking cuckoo bananas
in jail. Including.
Where are the killers? At where are the fellow killers?
Killers over here. I'm almost literally quoting at

(01:52:23):
one point. He walked into a room in the
common area. It was like all the killers over
here, everybody, hey, like yes, that, that, but that was him and
started a beef with this young, this young kid, this young man,
he was like 1819 years old who was also in there for, for

(01:52:44):
killing somebody and who also the lawyer had fled insanity,
started a beef with him. It was a whole thing.
I think he knocked out a few of this kids teeth.
It was, it was some prison shit.Well, Fast forward a tiny bit
more. We're at May 25th.
By this point, three separate psychologists have a value.

(01:53:10):
It had spent like a. Week, 2 weeks, whatever.
With Ronald True meticulously documented him.
His speech, his behavior. His history, his thoughts, every
fucking one of them said. Either A yeah, he's fucking
cuckoo bananas 24/7, or B he's inconclusively cuckoo bananas

(01:53:35):
24/7. But he is 100% conclusively.
Cuckoo bananas. Yeah.
Like it was, it was, it was somestrong medical practice, kind of
like BS where they were just like, I can't 100% say it, but
I'll say 99.999% of the time, you know, like it was basically
3 individual doctors hired by the other side went against,

(01:54:03):
went. Against the people who hired him
and were like. Yeah, now he's he's he's gone.
He's gone, baby. Yeah.
May 25th, appeal. He gets dismissed.
June 8th, the Home Secretary, Edward Short duties granted True
a reprieve on the grounds of insanity and True was moved to

(01:54:28):
the Broadmoor High Security Psychiatric Hospital.
This caused a fucking uproar across England.
Why? Because that boy that True
knocked the fucking teeth out ofwho had also pled insanity and
also had a record but not as well documented, had been

(01:54:51):
executed a few days before. And poor folk.
Slash folks that weren't direct.Heirs.
The barons were like what the literal fuck?
Yeah, what? This double standard bullshit
it. Caused a massive.

(01:55:12):
Uproar on a bureaucratic level for for the home secretary,
Edward Short, he had the The fact is, the boy had been
charged like a month and a half earlier.
It was his whole argument was like it was a timeline thing.
He's like, I got this case, I looked at this case, I looked at

(01:55:32):
the evidence. When I got Ronald True's, I saw
that three psychiatrists all said he was cuckoo bananas.
And I decided that two out of three, that's the majority, yada
yada. This shit got to the fucking
point that in England there wereriots.

(01:55:56):
Damn in the fucking country and this.
Secretary, this home. Secretary had to go in front of
Parliament and make a case. For granting.
Ronald Truth's reprieve and declaring him insane and letting

(01:56:16):
him get off of the death sentence and just live the rest
of his life in an insane asylum.But I will say, at least in
British Whig world, almost everybody in fucking Parliament
upon hearing the case about why Edward Short came to that
conclusion when he had to testify in front of Parliament,

(01:56:36):
But just like testifying in front of Congress, right when he
testified, everybody on all the different party lines were like,
well, God damn, that's a really good point.
Yeah, we agree with you. It took this dude stand up and
just being like and. This reason.
And that reason, and did you hear about the Argentinian palm
readers? You know, like, like he got up

(01:57:00):
there and they all backed the fuck down.
And the law was changed to basically say if you're pretty
much 70%, eighty percent, 60% ofthe time, whatever, cuckoo
bananas. And everybody knows that you're
cuckoo bananas, you're not 100% responsible for your crime, but

(01:57:20):
you're also not going to be allowed in the regular public,
you know, population. We need to kind of, which makes
sense, spirit you away to another location.
Well, yeah, irregardless, Drew spent the rest of his life in

(01:57:40):
Broadmoor high security psychiatric hospital, right in
this hospital, which by the way,my friend, my really good friend
M from England, she brought up Broadmoor when we were talking
the other day. And she's like, oh, you don't
want to be sent there. In terms of like, it is horribly
notorious. It's the Alcatraz of psychiatric
hospitals in England. It is the worst of the fucking

(01:58:03):
worst of the worst. He wasn't necessarily let off,
but I will point out a little fun fact.
Ronald True ever true to his Goddamn self, was a regular
participant and somewhat of an in house talent when the.

(01:58:23):
Hospital put on. Drama club events makes fucking
sense. I just love to think of it, no.
It's tap tap. Slide How many times must I tell
you people, of course I'll be Jesus in the next play, but it's
Charlie Brown, then he needs Jesus.

(01:58:44):
You know, he's like, wait, I can, I can pretend to be other
people. It's going to be really hard to
pretend, but I'll do my best. You know be I keep it true long
of a short of it. At age 59, on January 8th, 1951,

(01:59:09):
Ronald True dies of a heart attack at the Broadmoor
Hospital. Reports indicated that the only
person. To attend his.
Funeral was his 70. 6 year old. Mother.
And that's the end of the story.Damn, that is.

(01:59:35):
Sad. Yeah.
It's, it's a, it's a, it's a real heavy.
It's heavy. And his mom, who kind of
disowned him for a while, which I mean.
Makes sense why she would do that for a little bit.
She was still giving him money, but like she kind of was just
like, let's let's take a break. She's like, let's take, let's

(01:59:56):
take a break from each other fora bit.
It seems like it in certain ways.
I definitely focused on those aspects because.
The you know the show's not. About Ronald Tru's mother.
But yeah, for sure, in in many ways she was the only one.
Whoever. Consistently gave a fuck about
him and cared for him and and really tried for him.

(02:00:22):
Other than, you know, Francis, who put up with him for.
Quite a bit of time and had. Her heart broken horribly.
But his, his mother or Francis, you know.
I guess the deal is. His mother could have,
especially at this time, could have very easily just disowned
him, not giving a fuck about him, denied him, you know,

(02:00:45):
abandoned him to the world. But she kept, she kept trying.
And she was not happy about leaving him when he was a little
kid and she was forced to go to England and everything like
that. So I think she sent him to other
places with the honest intentionof I just want my son to find a
place in the world. Yeah.

(02:01:07):
Something that fits him, something that he can do.
Yeah, that it. Clicks that it works and.
It's really fun. It's just sad.
It's just fucking sad. At the end of the day, it's
just. It's just fucking sad.
Yeah, what? What really makes it?
Interesting and great is that wegot one of the greatest

(02:01:29):
inventors out of this though, because not only did Armstrong
create earmuffs he created, he was the first to create noise
cancelling headphones with the earmuffs 'cause he just wasn't
paying attention. It's not his fault he literally
didn't hear anything. His headphones, his earmuffs
were were like prototypes. Yeah, crime cancelling

(02:01:50):
headphones that somehow magically.
Blocked out all things that would, you know, implicate you
in a criminal activity say what I couldn't hear you my new
automatic crime cancelling headphones.
You know you're right you're 100% right.
Thank you. This is for real.

(02:02:11):
Thank, thank you. But this is a fascinating,
incredibly, incredibly complicated story.
Dear God, this is just layers upon layers.
This might be one of the most complicated, you know, stories,

(02:02:31):
at least for me, that I've ever covered on the show in terms of
implications, repercussions, build UPS, the intricacies of
like all of the different backgrounds and what happens at
it. Excellent suggestion.
I don't didn't say it up. Top I have said.
It multiple times in in the pasttwo episodes for the series.
Shout out Ian and Jayden. Thank you so much for

(02:02:56):
recommending Ronald True to us. I know it was just kind of a, a
random Wikipedia article literally that they came across
and they were like, dude, this would be fucking awesome.
And I, I skimmed through and I was like, dude, this is
hilarious. This is funny, some guy who's
like this crazy kind of like douchey looking D bag crashes a

(02:03:16):
plane multiple times, marries anactress, kills this random lady.
Hell yeah, that would be a fun case.
And then I actually dove into itand I was like, Oh my God, this
just keeps going. Like it just fucking goes and
like, but yeah, seriously, it's it's recommendations like
y'all's that keep us so fucking stoked about the content that

(02:03:39):
that we cover, that we make on this show and that we that we
love to deliver. So thank y'all apologies a
million times over about how delayed a lot of these episodes
have been. But yeah, we're not going to
half ass it. Sorry.
You're just going to have to wait for quality sometimes.
You know, like you can get that,you can get the microwave ready

(02:04:00):
meal or you can get that slow kick a juicy shit.
And, and, and we've still been, you know, me and Gil have still
been kind of recovering from a lot of.
Stuff, you know, recovering not at all, no, not at all from
random stuff that's happened to our town.
So we're still getting into the groove again and and doing
episodes. So hopefully we'll that's true,
you know, we'll be on track eventually.

(02:04:22):
But next week, get your favoritesnacks.
Is that the sound? Get your favorite snacks.
Because we're. Gonna go on a nice little.
Road trip for a nice. Light.
I always like to say it's light episodes, but that's to me,

(02:04:42):
that's light. It's light and fun.
It's less less intense research I guess.
So great job. Gil, you did wonderful.
And you, everything was great, twists and turns are amazing.
Thank you so much. Thank you all out there.
Thank you to our Patreon listeners.
Thank you everybody. We did already mention you guys
in our episode for being patronsat the bar.

(02:05:04):
So thank you guys so much. We appreciate you.
And yeah, be prepared for beer. I don't think this will be out
by then, but be prepared for a cup of Joey on Monday, the 1st
Monday of the month. We will be doing a lot of stuff
coming up this month. I might have a nice interesting
video surprise funny enough for you guys already coming up and

(02:05:29):
the month of March. I'm hoping to be able to get
that done. Gil's got a nice surprise right
now with the chunker, and yeah, we will be.
Getting a lot of stuff out to you in March, so.
Thank you guys for joining us. And you know what, Gil?
You got anything to say? He's hanging out with Salem.

(02:05:50):
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