126 | Pt3 | John R Brinkley From Charlatan to Prey - Black Cat Report | UFOs, Cryptids, True Crime & Paranormal

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From Milford to LA to Texas to Arkansas, no one could stop John
Romulus Brinkley's empire. He owned the radio.
He owned the goat gland market. He owned the People's Trust and
Love. He owned hospitals.
He owned mansions, boats, and a literal legion of cars.

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The top charlatan of the age wasabout to be turned upside down
because incomes his arch nemesisincomes the hero of the story.
I didn't see you there. It all started early this
morning. From hunting ghosts to Bigfoot
UFOs. Cryptids, true crime,
paranormal, and more I. Always wanted to see AUFO.

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Oh I was. I was researching for your
entertainment. That's Bigfoot's cat.
He basically wrote the book on Monarch.
We aren't. Really, comedians?
What if Buddha did cocaine? The Addams family on meth.
This is the Black Hat report. See you on the on the other
side. Good evening, morning,
afternoon, night, whenever you're listening to this.

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And welcome to the Black Cat Report and Episode 126.
I am Joey and with me is Gilly, Bobby Brown, Gildoff, Gilliam,
Shatner, Gilda, Ray Gilliam, Wallace, and maybe his best
name, Gill. Hello, everybody.

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Hello. Thank you.
Thank you so much. Thank you for such a resounding
introduction. Yeah, it took me a while to
actually, it took me longer to make up those names than
everything else. Honestly, I was trying to sit
there. I it took me longer to make up
those names. The.
Script has been done weeks. For weeks.
The script's been done. You were like Gilderay.

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No. Gilderay.
Yes. That's it.
Yes. And if you don't know who Gil de
Ray is, he was a medieval child murderer.
So there you go. If you did not know.
Well, we are excited to get to the conclusion and wrap up this
series. I mean, I am.

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I am really tired of learning about goat balls in the
surgeries. It is absorbing into my brain at
the moment, and I don't think I want that.
I do love the other parts of this, though.
But if you knew how much goat testicle information I have
waded through to get to this knowledge brain, this goat

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brain, so to speak, to get theseepisodes written, you'd think
there was something wrong with me.
And now, in fact, there is. But we'll put that aside.
We'll wade through that. Before we grab our shovel and
dig ourselves out of this pit, we're going to remind you of
some very, very, very, very important dates coming up for
us. 1st, we have Beer, Booze andBoogeyman Live on April 5th at

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7:30. Gil, do you want to explain how
people can get involved with that?
Yes, so super fucking easy. First off, all you have to
remember Ghost dot beer, GHOST dot BEER.
You go to Ghost Stop Beer, you'll find links to everything

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including how to submit your ownstories.
This month or this coming month's episode is going to be
about paranormal games and or the best pranks you've ever
pulled. They don't have to be
paranormal. Just what is the best prank
you've ever done? Did you ever do something so

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nefarious, so mischievous? Did you ever embody yourself as
such a ne'er dwell that you werefired from multiple jobs even
though you were unemployed the whole time?
We want to hear about it. OK, so go to go stop beer.
There's like 40 different ways to submit.
You can type out and fill out a form.

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You can send us an e-mail. You can share Google Doc with
us. You can click and record a live
voice recording as long as you want and we will play it on air.
Or if you're really feeling goatballsy, you can call in live at
the time of our episode, which is 730 April 5th.

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Saturday, April 5th, you can call in live to the show and
we'll all chat with you. We'll all have a good laugh and
you know, hey, maybe you can scare the shit out of us.
As a little side note, Joey's very easy to scare, so Target.
Him very good yeah it's very easy I want to tell you what

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scares me the most it's giving our Patreon just a little follow
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little free upgrade to our paid tier and you'll get some cool
perks like the cup of Joey that will be coming out on April 7th

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comment wherever you are. Little follow sub dumb a little
BDSM. We love it, you know?
Hey. You know what we love

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everything. That's what we do here in Black
Cat Report, true we even. We're easy and sleazy.
That's what our, that's what our, that's what they call us.
It's not the dynamic duo anymore.
It's easy and sleazy. Easy, yes.
Well, last week we had a wonderful rollicking time

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getting into John Brinkley, and now we're going to continue.
But we're going to start off with just kind of catching you
up with where we were. We left off with Brinkley having
lost his medical license by the Kansas State Board of Medicine,
as well as losing his broadcasting license for his
radio station in Milford, all the while still blasting out

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messages, talk and music. Just over the border in Mexico.
Life handed him lemons and he peed in a cup and sold it as
lemonade. Had been taking all that hard
earned money and now he was starting to spend it, buying his
first mansion in Del Rio, TX andtraveling the world, this time

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just for fun. He was about to meet his arch
nemesis face to face for the first time.
And so are we. And before you get this far,
hope you've gotten this far. Hope you've listened to the 1st
2 episodes because a lot of whatI'm bringing up into this
episode was actually talked about in the previous episodes

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in this series. Let's meet him.
Morris Fishbein, the actual physician, the actual Doctor Who
started out with the American Medical Association or the AMA
in 1913 as an assistant and eventually he succeeded in 1924

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to the editor of the JMA or the Journal for the American Medical
Association. So basically they just, they
would write a journal, send it out, and that was kind of how
they got all the stuff out, basically saying these people
are quacks. These don't follow these medical
things. Don't don't go after these
because they're bad for you. They were literally doing good

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work at this time because there's so many quacks out there
that were trying to sell nothing.
Over cleaning up the riffraff. Cleaning up the riffraff?
Yep. Well described by his friends as
a tireless worker. And he would also keep a
punishing pace. Sound like anyone we know.
He works so hard. He would have what we called

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nervous breakdowns along the way.
He wouldn't go to the doctor either.
Yeah, to see what was wrong withhim, because why not?
He didn't trust the doctor anyways.
Yeah, he didn't trust the quacksanyways.
Exactly. Well, instead he just took a
cacophony of pills that he kept in his cupboard to keep all of

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this in check, just like we do now.
So he's more like the medical times nowadays.
Pretty futuristic. Well it was described by another
doctor looking on it from the future that most likely his
nervous breakdowns were caused by an acute sycophy or loss of
consciousness because of a shortage of oxygen to the brain.

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So this is pretty much to say that most of his general and
work and lifestyle was just likeJohn Brinkley.
Yeah, perfect antithesis. Very much.
Well, Fishbein had some crazy credits too, and I think you're

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going to love these, Gil, because these are awesome.
Well, he advised both on the defense and the prosecution in
the Leopold and Loeb trial, which was murder trial in the
1920s of a young boy. And he basically gave lawyerly
advice to both sides. He also, and this, this kind of

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like says a lot about his personality.
He helped take a family to trial, basically took a
Christian Science Doctor Who withheld insulin from a diabetic
6 year old boy and the boy died.So the Christian Science doctor
was like, you can't, yeah, use religion against the family,
couldn't give them any, didn't give them any, didn't give them

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any insulin and the kid died. So he took them to took that guy
to trial. Gotcha.
All things that you can get awaywith now, yeah.
And apparently get away with then because unfortunately, he
lost the trial and the healer got away with murder because of
his religious beliefs at the time.

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He hung out with poet Carl Sandburg and he would go to
dinner and hang out with him allthe time.
He actually was one of the people that talked Sandburg into
putting his. I think he had like, he was
writing like small articles in like the paper.
And he was like, hey, you shouldmake a book out of that.
And he told him that. And Carl Sandburg made a book
and got a lot more famous from it.

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So he was kind of like in the background of these little
things. He was a friend to Eugene V
Debs. Damn.
OK, now we're. Yeah, now we're punching heavy
over here, Yeah. He visited him in the sanitarium
that he was staying in after allof his jail stents because

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Eugene V Debs was like after allthe jail stents and all the
stuff happening, he just like kind of went a little like he
went a little off the rocker because he just had so much
stuff happened to him. So Fishbein actually went to
visit him and try to convince him to leave the sanitarium
instead of stay there and try these like radical surgeries

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that obviously this sanitarium had quacks in was like shocking
him to death and doing these crazy stuff, but he thought it
was better than. The electric rat lobotomy.
OK, So what we did, we got the rat from Chuck E Cheese, and
what it's going to do is give you a lobotomy through your
Bigfoot. It's going to open up the big,

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the big toe on your foot and just shove in a piece of pizza
until it goes out through your ass, in through your mouth and
up into your brain. At that point, we're just going
to scrape off the front, just going to scrape off the front.
And then this point, and this isvery critical here, we're going
to insert goat balls. This is one of the latest

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trends. It's one of the newest things we
just heard about. Got to do it.
Yeah, that was called the Chuck E Cheese lobotomy, I believe
back in the day, founded by the founder of Chuck E Cheese.
Nobody remembers his name? Nope, lost the time.
He never was able to get Eugene B Debs to convince them to

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basically get out of this sanitarium and help and was very
sad. And he tried his best and he was
basically like, look at all the quacks out here, like they're
they're everywhere. You can see him.
But he but UDDMV Debs actually believed in all the stuff that
they were doing and was like, it's going to help me.
The book went into this whole like, I think we had talked

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about it. Remember the law that says like
people that are like super smartwill believe in anything outside
of their field. And you said you were going to
post it up on. Yeah, the Dunning Kruger effect.
The Dunning Kruger effect. That's what he said, because
Eugene V Debs was so smart. But yeah, he, he believed in all
the quackery because he was like, oh, they're smart.

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They must know what they're. You know, it's fun, fun little
fun little mouse hole that we went down.
This is all to say that he neversat still while he was playing
golf. In between strokes, he would
play Gen. Rummy.
So he just couldn't stop. Like he just couldn't stop.
He was just continuously going. He was always working on

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something. Just like Brinkley.
His friends called him a rare individual because when he set
his mind onto something, he would not take it off until he
achieved his goal. And that would not bode too well
for our goat testicle, Dr. Quackfriend, Doctor John Romulus
Brinkley. And I do want to say I keep

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calling him Romulus because thatactually is his real name.
John Romulus Brinkley. He used, he changed it to John
Richard Brinkley later. And there was some weird thing
about why he changed it when he was younger.
And it just kind of felt like hewanted to sound maybe more like
American instead of, like, Romulus, which is kind of, I

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don't know, weird, But yeah. I don't know, but that's a
fucking awesome middle name. I love Romulus.
And as somebody who legally doesn't have a middle name, I
would gladly take on the middle name Romulus.
That's OK. Got a powerful, like, astral
name. You know what I mean?
Yeah. I like it.

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What? Romulus.
You should be a Romulus. That kind of name.
Wizard or a Romulan, I guess from Star Trek Nerd alert,
right? Well, now that we've introduced
Dr. Fishbein, we're going to drop ourselves right back into
where we left off last week. In August of 1937, Doctor

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Fishbein and his family had boarded the ship the Queen Mary,
as well as John Brinkley with his family and his son's
teacher. They boarded the ship together,
yes, and I am going to correct something from last episode.
They are actually right now on board one of the most famous
ships called the Normandy and this one was travelling back

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from Europe to the United States.
I wanted to correct that becausethey had boarded the same ship
going to Europe. They didn't meet on that ship.
They met coming back on the Normandy.
So just wanted to make sure all my facts are in place.
They boarded the ship with John Brinkley, his family and his
son's teacher. Well, it would happen that there

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were a few chance meetings between the families.
One day on the ship in the public kids playroom, Fish Vines
and Brinkley's sons would meet. They met while playing with some
toys in the public kids playroomfor the more wealthy kids,
basically the the ones that had the money.
Well, yeah. They asked each other what their

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dads did, and both said they were doctors.
But Brinkley's son said the other doctors don't like my dad
very much. Understatement.
Yeah, understatement. Well, what's funny is later that
day, Fishbein's son asked his dad, You know, basically said

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that I met this kid. He said his dad's not very likes
very much. Is there anything we can do
about that? And I imagine this fishbein had
a little smile on his face and then just went right back to
working on his papers and was just like.
Jake's after his old man denied just like stamping his medical

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license. Exactly.
Well, this wasn't the only meet between their groups before they
would meet in person. Brinkley's son's teacher, who
was in his 20s like we said lastepisode, and Morris Fishbein's
daughter also met and starting having a bit of a little
whirlwind romance. They started by playing ping

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pong together and then started. Having.
Oh, I bet they did. A few late nights after that and
they were, you know, courting each other a little bit.
But that all stopped when Brinkley's son teacher.
And he did fine, yeah. Yeah, that all stopped when
Brinkley's son's teacher asked, Do you know who my boss is?

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When they had been chatting about their work, she did, and
they didn't see much of each other after that.
He kind of just like, was like, yeah, like, that's not good.
I feel bad for the kids. I know they're.
They were helpful. Yeah.
We. We can't.

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Yeah, we can't. I'm sorry.
This is just not going to be good.
Well, on one of the days at sea.And I really think this sets up
both their personalities very well.
Morris Fishbein was sitting by the pool in a lounge chair,
reading a book in the sun. John Brinkley approached him
because he noticed him across the deck, and he stopped a few

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feet away from him, staring at him.
Right, staring. Morse Fishbein looked up at him,
not surprisingly. Just like, noticingly, you know,
you know, just like, notice it there.
Blinked down, Yeah. And then looked right back at
his book. Did not say a single word.

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Piss. Piss Brinkley off.
So Brinkley just he stepped a couple steps closer, but inside
Brinkley, for one of the first times in his life, he just he
couldn't couldn't bring up a word.
He couldn't say a word. He was so mad.
And he was just like, yeah. And then he kind of like shifted

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and, you know, just to kind of be like, Fishbein.
Look at me. Yeah.
And still Fishbein. Nope.
Look in his book, looking in thesun, Stay in the sun, looking in
this book, not even not even looking up, he was.
Just reading the information on the publisher of the book too,
it wasn't even like an actual meaty part.
It was just a pamphlet. Yeah, 1923.

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Fantastic. Yeah.
With an almost catty 16 year old, Brinkley stormed off.
He just stormed off like stomping, like a little 16 year
old kid running away. I love it.
Yeah, and I feel like that. Like heady shit.

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It hit the nail on the head for both of their personalities that
will remain for the rest of the story.
This is like Mean Girls on a cruise like this.
Is that's just what I thought too.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, this was their first meeting.
The next ones would be in court and as soon as Fishbein stepped

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off the boat, he said to himself, I am going to destroy
this charlatan. It gave him some vigor to be
like, you know what, I kind of forgot about him for a minute.
I'm going right back to reckon his life.
These days, for like a Fishman over here, fish.

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Fishbein. Yeah, fish, fish binder, you
know, like they just become massshooters.
They don't stick with the motivation.
You know what I'm saying? Like this guy sounds fucking
crazy. Like he literally sounds fucking
crazy. He's a bit because like if you

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got that much motivation, you'reyou're pumping shit that hard
and you're having to take pills just, and I'm sure he wasn't
getting paid well. I'm positive he wasn't getting
paid well. He was just kind of like, he was
probably like higher middle management, if that makes sense,
you know? Well, I mean, he was the editor
of the paper, so he kind of ran it.
But and but he the. Editor of the medical paper

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where he they wasn't Brinkley, they were they were actively
basically character assassinating 90% of their
subscribers and he was the editor of that paper.
Yep. So like, you know what I'm
saying like. I don't know.
He was probably middle class. I would probably say he's middle

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class. Oh, yeah, no, I mean, he's on
this cruise. Shit.
He's doing all right. No, he's on this cruise and his
kids are hanging out in the sameroom as Brinkley's kids, you
know what I'm saying? They're on the same level of
they're, they're walking across the same decks, you know?
So, like, he was doing OK, but Inever heard of Brinkley having

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to take pills because he was working so hard his brain was
running out of oxygen, you know what I'm saying?
Like one of them was working harder than the other.
Oh 100% yeah. Just what's funny is like
Brinkley, Brinkley's main focus was this guy, you know, and like
one of the biggest things, but Fishbone's main focus was this

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guy and 40 other people. You know, this this guy was his
biggest focus obviously, becausejust because how big Brinkley
was, but it was kind of like a kind of trying to judge like
this guy is a judge in a you know, in in 17 cases, while the
defendants in just this one case.

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You know, it's kind of how I'm. Fish Binder was Eliot Ness and
Brinkley was Al Capone. This is what's happening right
now. Sure, sure.
Yes, that makes sense. It makes sense.
I have no idea what you're talking about, but we're going
to start with the first interference in Brinkley's life

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and where Fishbein had started setting his sights on Brinkley.
And I want to say before we we go into this, we're just going
to like, go through these past episodes of, of little like
roadblocks that were in Brinkley's life and who was
behind them because Morris Fishbein was right there
pressing that button. Let's step back in the Wayback

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Machine and go to Doctor Brinkley's first move, his move
out to Los Angeles to build a hospital and operate on the
editor for the LA newspaper. In the spring of 1922, Morse
Fishbein repeatedly wrote articles and sent articles to
the California Medical Board exposing Brinkley's fake

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license. And that's why they cancelled
his license and stopped his hospital from being built.
So if you remember from the first episode, Brinkley had
moved out to LA, he got an invitation and he was like, all
right, cool. He was operating on everybody.
He made so much money. They were like, OK, let's build
you a hospital out here. You know, they gave him a

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provisionary license. They're like, you can keep
operating on people and we're going to get you that long term
license. When Fishbein had heard of that,
he started peppering them with e-mail, with emails, emails of
the foreign day, the back, back in the day.
He was handing, you know, physical hand papers, hand mail,
giving them to him. He was basically trying to

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expose Brinkley as a fake. Damn it, the amount of times you
insert the word hand in front ofany physical object, you're just
like he was reading physical books.
He was he was reading handbooks.Handbooks, which is an actual
word, a handbook on how to buildthings, on how to build things.

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It happens. Hand papers, handbooks and
paper. There are things that go in your
hand physical. I went to a live hand show last
night where people were playing music.
No, that just makes it. I'm not even going to where that
sounds like it's going. Back to Fish Finder.

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Back to Fish. Finder So he got them to get rid
of the license. He stopped the hospital from
being built in LA. He was right behind that.
And at this moment, Brinkley didn't know that Fishbein was
doing these things. He, he had an, he thought
somebody from the AMA maybe was sending stuff to people, but he
didn't know that Fishbein was doing this.

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So he was kind of like a little bit in the dark.
And so he, you know, he went back to, he went back to
Milford, started booming his business there.
Well, Fishbein's next move was during 1925, as Brinkley had
just gotten his medical diploma from, if you remember, the
University of Pavia in Italy. After Brinkley had showered them

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with a banquet and gifts of cash, Fishbein again peppered
the Italian government with facts, papers, anything you
could want to know about Brinkley, how he was a
charlatan, his surgeries didn't work.
He even sent them basically reviews about the surgeries from
his patients. And this is where we get into a
cool, weird little bit of history.

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Because Benito Mussolini himself, then the dictator,
personally revoked the honorary degree from Pavia, Italy.
Fishbein was talking directly toBenito Mussolini to get him to
get rid of this honorary degree.Damn, I was really hoping that
like Mussolini had goat balls before he died.

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No, no, no. That would be that.
Would have been so good, so good.
Yeah, but he had that kind of clout and which is weird because
he's still like, he had this bigclout, right.
But he didn't. He was kind of like hated by a
lot of people, but and he could get to people that were in high
degree of like political power at this time, but still was

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influential. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, do. You know how bad you have to be
to get Benito motherfucking Mussolini to provoke your
medical license it. Was pretty damn bad.
Like that's, that's pretty bro. That's awful.

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He. Did he did terrible?
What the fuck? I only imagine, oh I only
imagine Benito Mussolini sittingnext to the doctors in Kansas
while they're while he's performing the GOAT testicle
surgery and Benito's just like, this is awful.
This is awful. You know, pass me some of them
goat balls. I'm getting a little hungry.

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Like I'm just saying, at this time, I have a feeling like
Mussolini was like, yes, Mr. Mengela, Mr. Joseph Mengela, do
you mind revoking his, that guy's medical license?
Yeah, I don't think that. Guy's crazy.
Yeah, that guy's crazy. Mengela's like, Oh yeah, he's

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crazy. You know, like, just awful.
Like he's just like, awful. He's like, dude, that dude's not
good. I mean, I just keep.
To pick up a shipment of twins. Oh yeah, yeah, get rid of that
license. Yeah, yeah.
I thought I was crazy. Fucking Christ, how could we
ever get rid of Sigodfazo? You know what's funny?

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They actually didn't say Godfazoexperiments.
They never really liked or thought of anything high of his
experiments, which is kind of funny.
The goats were an Aryan. They were Aryan, frankly was
though. Well, truth.
Yeah. Brinkley would still use that

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degree for the rest of his life,but he could not dream it to
medical boards. Fishbein's next aim would be in
the spring of 1930. As I said, we're going to be
doing some jump in of times because we're just popping in
where Fishbein jumped into his life because Fishbein is
literally going back and forth to other people as he's focusing
pond to pond. Yeah, he again, this was him.

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He lobbied the Kansas Medical Board with ammunition to put
Brinkley's medical license in question.
So Fishbein basically dug up thepast clients from the Brinkley
Jones Hospital, which is what the Milford, KS, hospital was
called. Searching through death
certificates, medical medical complaints and such, he found 42

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death certificates that had JohnR Brinkley's name signed at the
bottom. 42. Yeah.
In the few years that he had, hehad been watching over him.
The causes of death were listed as infection or fever, some
random thing that. Was.
Kind of part of the surgery, butnot enough to call him at fault

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for it, you know? 90% of them died due to ball
related injury. Exactly.
But not enough to be like provably cause yeah, yeah,
provably. Kind of like in the way that
cigarettes can't, you can't prove cigarettes cause cancer,
kind of in that same kind of way, yeah.
But yeah, exactly. But yeah, it's 100%

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overwhelming. Yeah, yeah.
With these certificates and the scorching article in the Kansas
newspaper that Fishbein had supplied the information for,
the Kansas Medical Board went toBrinkley's goat nut operation
and two days later cancelled hismedical license in the state.
Now, Brinkley hadn't been takingall of this lying down.

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He was, of course, using the radio to badmouth the AMA and
all its musings. But that's not all he was doing.
He put out ads in the newspapersand even granted an interview to
the same Kansas newspaper that wrote that scathing article.
He was like, all right, you wantto talk to me?
Let's go, he told them. And I quote, Do I look like I'm

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worrying? I'm not worrying.
The American Medical Associationhas been fighting me for 10
years, and I've licked them every time.
Damn. In the newspaper he was like,
yeah, no, you can't me. He was just straight up like a
diss track that's coming. Out, yeah, they're dissing each

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other, they're going back and. Forth.
Hell yeah. Yeah.
He had good reason to be smug. We'll get into this a little
bit, but we'll, we'll get into some of this other stuff a
little bit. Yeah, Yeah, Brinkley was
personally hiring Goon squads tobeat up former clients who had

(31:59):
run their mouths a little too much about their bad experiences
with them, and to beat up the journalists who are writing bad
articles about them. I love this guy.
Honestly I might get a full chest tattoo of Brinkley.
Hold up on that one before we get in.
We'll get into it later. Why you probably shouldn't.

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Well, you know, he hired, he hired people from the Pinkerton
Agency, the same Pinkerton agency.
There. No, it was going to be.
In the Oldfield, bring down the side of the banana.
Yeah, they they came back. They're douchebags.
They're douchebags. Look, if anybody's ever heard
the Pinkertons have been like, Ilove them.
No, go fuck yourself. The Pinkertons are the heart.

(32:42):
They are. They are Z or they are what's
the fucking Andrew Prince fucking my God, and they're
mercenaries. That's what I'm trying to say.
They were mercenaries within thequote UN quote Wild West of the
United States. This was in their death throes,
but like they were fucking mercenaries.

(33:02):
They're they're heartless assholes.
Pirates 100% had more morals than these motherfuckers do.
Oh yeah? Well, pirates almost invented
democracy, so there you go. Basically, yeah.
Pirates literally were like, I don't care what race or gender
you are. Do you make the most sense?
Are you a good person? Great.
How about healthcare and retirement?

(33:24):
Yeah, exactly. Like literally in their old
ones. Yeah, like we talked about in
their old episodes, their old pirate episodes.
Pirates. Out of the shit, I mean, at the
time when they were going against countries who were
colonizing, massacring, genociding people, they were
going against those governments.Pirates weren't that bad.
That's all I'm going to say. Exactly.
You at least had a choice. In context, they were at least

(33:46):
equal with their massacres. I respect that. 100% There was
so much meddling by Fishbein that I really can't go into
everything here because there's just he's in the background of
all these little things that like are going to bring about
the downfall of Brinkley. On that same year of 1930 and

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into 1932, Brinkley was running for Kansas State Governor.
Like we had talked about before in the second episode, both
those years Fishbine had a hand in helping Brinkley lose the
election. Fishbein himself gave money.
Literally. Fishbein himself gave money to
Brinkley's first wife, Sarah Wyke, to go around Kansas right

(34:34):
behind John Brinkley and Besmirch.
His name? Speaking at engagements and
giving quotes to newspapers on how bad of a person John
Brinkley was. Yeah.
She almost wrote a book about how bad he was.
And, like, everything that was going on, she was quoted as she

(34:56):
was talking about it, too, that she was like, I we don't have,
like, anything. Like, she was hurting.
She was in really bad shape because he had just left her.
Remember, he just left her and the kids in Chicago.
And so they had two kids at the time when he left because they
just lost the other one. And so she's like, hey, like, I
need help. And she was like, hey, can you

(35:18):
help us out? Like, it's alimony in a lot of
ways. And so, yeah, she was like, can
I, can you get help us with the cars?
And then we need somewhere to get around.
And he basically just said, get out of my face.
I don't want to talk to you everagain.
And so she was following around at his speaking engagements just
right the next day in that town,talking and being like, he's a

(35:39):
terrible person. He's the worst.
Don't ever trust him. She also to back up Brinkley a
little bit. I know this is that's a scary
area. That's a scary statement to make
to back up Brinkley a little bit.
At the time that they did get a divorce, it was if I recall
correctly from what you had stated before, correct me if I'm

(36:00):
wrong. They they both openly actively
hated each other and completely disliked each other.
So, like, it was, it was mutual on top of mutual before it got
to the level of disrespect that Brinkley's like, go fuck
yourself. She was also at that time being
like, go fuck yourself. Like, neither one of them liked
each other. You know, If I recall.

(36:21):
Yeah, if I recall. No, you're right.
You're right. They didn't.
And they, you know, forever hated each.
Other I'm not projecting about my ex partners Joey.
OK, just calm down. We'll never talk about this,
yeah. Well, yeah, yeah.
Well, Fishbein did also try to chase down James Crawford,
Brinkley's old running mate. And we found him.

(36:43):
We found him in jail, of course,for just a small little crime.
He was only in there for a couple of months.
I mean, I think he was in there for like 5 years.
Small. Handful of 100 parking tickets
everyone's. Got well, he basically said in
exchange for spring Crawford from jail, Crawford would supply
damaging information on Brinkley, to which he did.

(37:07):
He gave some old information of like, look what we did when
we're running around. We stole money from people use
that for him to bring him down basically in this Kansas
election. Unfortunately for James
Crawford, he was not sprung fromjail.
He was only sent some candy in abox of cigars.

(37:28):
Oh, that's some bullshit. Yeah, he, he kind of got duped
on that one. And there was another part where
they actually went back again toJames Crawford and were like,
hey, like we want to, we want tohelp you out of this jam.
I think he was out of jail at that time.
And they're like, we want to help you out of this jam.
And he said, no, I'm not helpingyou anymore.
I was promised to get sprung from jail and nobody helped me

(37:48):
screw you and left him. And I was like, all right, well,
I guess he's learning. Yeah.
No. Remember when I said that
Brinkley wanted a bulletproof vest and that was in the style
of Al Capone like we talked about?
Right. You remember, this is how you
know that something's about to happen with us as a podcast when
I reach out to you, Joey, and I'm like, hey man, I need a

(38:10):
bulletproof vest. You were very close to saying
that earlier though. There's a.
Reason why we weren't recording at the time.
Oh, OK. Well, it makes sense We you
never got that bulletproof vest.No big deal.
Definitely didn't. No, definitely, definitely

(38:31):
didn't. Gil, you're looking a little
Husky over there, a little full.Been working out.
Yeah, yeah, working. Out.
Yeah, I've been having a lot of plates.
That's a bulletproof vest stroke.
Lifting a lot of. Plates And nobody, nobody,
nobody got that. Nobody got that.
I'll be over here. It's funny that I'm the one that

(38:53):
texts you and I'm just like, heydude, I'm at the gym, lift some
cats. I don't know, just something.
No, but it was funny. Today when I, I didn't know what
the fuck to say when you were like at the gym and I was trying
to tell you like, have a good day.
I was like, yeah, pump iron, bro.
And I was like, I don't really know what the fuck people say at
the gym. And you were like, mostly it's

(39:16):
random noises, silence and motivational music.
And I was like, so it's literally just my house with a
microphone 100%. Just a little less Cat noises.
Just a little less. Meows a tiny bit less.
Not that much more. Slightly less.
Slightly less. It depends.
If it's warm and the windows open, it really depends, yeah.
Well, the reason that he decidedit was necessary to get a

(39:39):
bulletproof vest was this. In the years during his
election, the AMA had acquired arather violent reputation.
Well, because of one accident. Now, ironic right?
Is is this the? Definition of ironic.
I think it is the. American.
Medical Association acquired a violent reputation, dude.

(40:03):
It's only the 1920s. 1930s we never solved stuff with
violence. This is at the same time that.
The like the Postmaster General could just fucking beat your
ass. I'll shoot you.
Yeah, I'll just fucking shoot your ass well in.
Muscatine. Iowa at a I'm going to say a in

(40:26):
quotations Cancer clinic cancer clinic created by a man named
Norman G Baker. There would be an incident that
all the other quack doctors would hear about and Norman G
Baker was a huge name in quack doctors at this point.
So 3 armed men drove up and parked outside the clinic.

(40:47):
They then hid behind hedgerows and then started opening fire on
the clinic as Baker and his assistant were downstairs.
Baker himself had been very uneasy the past few days before
this because Morris Fishbein andthe newspaper had called Baker a
ghoul. Very hefty words.

(41:12):
Nobody. In the clinic was.
Injured. But one of the armed men was
injured when Baker, who, becausehe knew that this stuff was
probably going to happen, had his own pistol strapped to his
side, took it out and started firing back at the people, the
armed men shooting into this. And so one of them got injured
and they were just like ow. They just heard Ow from the

(41:32):
bushes. And then he saw the other two
men dragging this guy back into the car and then drove away.
Son of. A bitch now, God damn it.
My asshole. Oh, not my hip.
It went into my asshole. Literally.
That's how it happened. They dragged him, put him in the
car and drove away. What year was?

(41:54):
This again I missed that it was.19 about 19311932.
I kind of love it. I'm not going.
Back when? Back when you.
Could get into bar fights and itwas just like and y'all went and

(42:15):
got drinks the next night and you were best friends and back
when you could get in just full armed shootouts, gang on gang
and everybody stopped because somebody got hit in the butt.
Basically, everybody calm down. Somebody actually got hit.
Yeah, well, it's true. Yeah, it.
Reminds me of the Trailer Park Boys when Ricky gets shot or

(42:36):
like somebody gets shot and he'slike.
Hey. Quiet.
Come on, guys. Someone got hit over here.
Someone's hurt over here. Time out, asshole.
Yeah, that's true. He actually hit me.
Yeah, well, it's like they're just shooting.
For time. Cuz guns are so inaccurate.
For a lot of those times, well, this would be the whole incident

(42:56):
that put Brinkley uneasy. And he viewed it as the AMA
wasn't just writing articles, but now they were starting to
send out hit squads. And like we said earlier,
Brinkley was also sitting out his own hit squads on
journalists and stuff like that.So obviously, he's like,
someone's going to do it. To me.
It's just the normal part of thetime, you know?
It's what we do, yeah. Well, it wasn't.

(43:18):
Just the constant needles in theside from Fishbein that was
wrecking Brinkley. It was other doctors too.
Another quack Dr. named James Middlebrook moved to Del Rio, TX
while Brinkley was in Texas at the at his 2nd hospital starting
to bring up all this. He was making Buku's and money

(43:39):
and James Middlebrook started offering knock off surgeries.
The same exact surgery that Brinkley was doing for 1/5 of
the price. Listen to your middle.
Butt you can't come in here and get into my fucking surgery
scheme. This is my scheme.
This ain't your scheme. This is my scheme.
Now you go on down to Mexico like an honest American.

(44:01):
You start there like I did. Exactly.
That's true. And what's funny is James
Middlebrook was making enough money that he was advertising on
the rivals Border Blast 1 radio.Stations well.
He was. He was advertising on the rival
border blaster stations so that he could go against him.

(44:21):
So he was. Starting to use.
The bucks taking putting a dent into that empire.
Damn, this is like the nature's.Choice of vitamin wars.
This is cool. Yeah, well.
It pretty much put Del Rio into a small war.
No joke. Not the.
First time. Won't be the last.

(44:42):
Remember how I said that? Happy Harry The transportation
guy was picking up people from the train station, right?
Yes, how could I forget business?
Business was. So good that he had
transportation. Well, Middlebrook would send out
scalpers is what I like to call them.
You could also call them like thugs, basically these kind of
thugs that he would hire to grabpatients that were going to

(45:06):
Brinkley's hospital and take them to Middlebrook's hospital.
So he's basically kidnapping these people and these people
didn't really know it's. Like a bait and switch, but it's
a bait and switch and switch andbait and switch.
This is crazy. All in the name of goat balls.
People, keep this in mind. This is all in the name of

(45:27):
fucking goat balls, it's true. I mean, if you break it down to
it, it's all in the name of money, but the goat balls make
the money. So you know what I'm.
Saying people don't sell coke for the coke, sell for the cash.
All right, I'm just saying. But and while, but honestly,

(45:47):
this is a very I'm I'm I'm I'm stepping in here, dude, dude,
stepping in look a very important lesson that my 6th
grade teacher pointed out to me a long time ago.
I tried to never forget this. It hasn't worked out for me in
my life. Maybe someday it will.
The people who made money duringthe gold rush, we're not the.

(46:09):
Miners. They were the ones that sold the
pans and the pickaxes, all right.
Yep. So when there's a goat rush it
is not the doctors doing the surgeries people.
Selling the penis. Ovaries and goat balls.

(46:31):
I didn't have a fancy rhyme ending on that one, but I was
trying to, and I couldn't think of it in time.
I couldn't think of it in time. It didn't come quick enough.
Yeah, but the point is sell the goat balls.
Think about it. That's.
I didn't see our business. Advice.
That was our business pointer. Well, Speaking of the business

(46:53):
part of it, Brinkley would also post thugs at the train station
so that none of his people were getting kidnapped.
And while Middlebrook hottest, most intimidating.
Train station in the world it isand so.
Both of these a bunch of 10 people.
Welcoming you, yeah. Hello, are you here for?
Ball surgery, yes, I'm great. Get an arc.

(47:18):
Exactly. Why were they so mad?
Both of them had thugs on the train.
Station platform. So they're just waiting for
these people. And of course, what's going to
happen when you have people thatare there angry with guns and
knives is there's going to be violence ensuing.
So there was knives, flash guns pulled out, there was shots

(47:39):
fired. People were getting injured like
it was hurting the town. The town that Brinkley had
built, which is, I will say, Brinkley had built.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because Brinkley thought that this is my town.
I brought so much life to us. Surely they will kick out this

(48:02):
Middlebrook imposter. But you know what?
Town didn't do anything. Town did literally nothing and
let the war happen, let them take people.
And Brinkley decided, just like he decided in Milford, KS.
I'm going to move. It's time for.

(48:24):
Me to move again. I'm tired of this town.
They're not supporting me. I'll keep my house.
I'm going to make my mainstage. I'm going to Little Rock AR and
you. Open up a small hospital.
There, OK. The doors of this.
Hospital opened on January 28th,1938.

(48:47):
And two weeks later. Literally 2 weeks later after
this, Brinkley was about to be exposed on the national stage as
the charlatan he was. Oh shit.
In early. February of 1938, our good old
buddy Morris Fishbein published the Modern Medical Charlatans A2

(49:13):
part article that hit every single newsstand in the United
States. And this in bold and large
letter said that John Brinkley, his full name John R Brinkley,
was a medical quack. It laid out his professional

(49:34):
record of of never having a realmedical education, his license
paid for by extraordinary manipulation of political
appointees, and that he had a continuous astuteness for
shaking shekels from the pocket of credulous Americans.
Scathing. Scathing.

(49:56):
Scorching. And scathing, he laid everything
out for everybody. The article.
Even laid out postal crimes in it saying Yep mm hmm whoa.
Whoa, I know. Whoa, my man.
Whoa. OK.

(50:17):
Joey, are you did you take your blood pressure meds today?
Are you ready for this? I didn't.
I'm not ready for this. I.
Wasn't ready when I heard it. Look, we all, everybody we need
to take. A break Joey needs to take his
medication, needs to meditate for a while.
This is not going to be OK. This is not going to be OK.
How much salt did you have today?
How much salt did you have today?
This is about to be intense. A lot of garlic salt though.

(50:38):
It's. Pasta, but it should be fine.
Respect. Yeah, yeah.
Well, the postal. Crimes, right, it said.
Most of Brinkley's business seems to come by the way of
mail. All the pamphlets that he was
sending out, all the things in the mail that he was quoting.
And it is this time for the PostOffice Department to do

(50:59):
something in regard to the use of the United States mail by
John R Brinkley in his defrauding of the public He.
Brought up basically. Trying to get them to throw some
charges at him because they're like, come on, come on.
Like you do your part. Somebody like, where's Frank
Oldfield when I need him and he never?
Returned To Kill a Mockingbird when he was in middle school.

(51:21):
He's just like everything he he did a Kendrick Lamar.
Yeah, this, this is. Literally this is this is like
him throwing out like a photo ofhis like Ozempic prescription
like this. Yeah, yeah.
Literally. So it's like, wow.
I mean, OK. Like, you know, like, what was

(51:41):
that gonna do? That's fine.
No. Big deal.
Yeah. It's the pettiness of it, yeah.
Well enough he he did. Actually get brought up on mail
fraud charges, not once, but twice actually, which is kind of
funny. Twice, and we'll get into the
second time later. But on these specific mail fraud
charges, he used his friends, John Brinkley in high places at

(52:05):
the time. Charles Curtis, who was the vice
president of the United States, talked to Brinkley and swept all
of these charges under the rug. He basically went to the
Secretary of State and he went to the under secretaries and was
like, hey, I know this guy in Kansas.

(52:25):
Let it, let it, let it lie. Like we're, we're good.
We're good. The reason you realize he got
me. Elected vice president in
Finland. OK, we got to take care of this
dude well there. Was a there was an interesting
story about that. Charles Curtis was like basic,
he was FD Rs vice president, right?
So everyone, he's FDR was a president for like 100 years,

(52:47):
but Charles Curtis wanted to getto get the presidency.
But at this time, he kind of felt like, OK, I'm, I'm not
going to win, Like I'm never going to be president of the
United States. He just elected him for how many
times? Three times he's going for four.
Yeah. Didn't he go for four?

(53:09):
Yeah. Didn't he?
Go for four. He did get four.
I think he did. Yeah, 'cause he was in 12 years.
I know he got three, I think he was. 12 years, yeah.
Well. 11 because he died in office Yeah, he.
Died in his last year. No, he died right after he got
elected. He died right after he got
elected. That was what happened not too
far after he got elected. You couldn't died.

(53:29):
You couldn't get rid of him? Yeah.
Well, the reason? Why Charles Curtis felt like he
owed him. This is because Charles Curtis
helped get in that spot by John Brinkley, and he felt like, oh,
this is a good guy. He he literally was like, John R
Brinkley's a good guy. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna help
him out. I'm gonna help him.

(53:50):
Help him because the people lovepeople love him.
Yeah, This is unfair. He's being unfairly maligned by
the AMA. You know, me and my wife would
have never. Had kids without John R Bar
Brinkley. I love you too, sons.

(54:12):
Yeah, and. That's true.
He. He didn't have great balls, but
he was very much, I mean he. He had to he.
Had to support him because John R Brinkley supported him to get
to the place he was. That was kind of his thing.
Well, yeah, now this well thought out an incredibly
written two-part article that was in written by Morris

(54:33):
Fishbein had one single purpose.It wasn't just to malign him,
just to malign him because he liked.
That actually he did that. He was happy to do that and he
didn't. He felt like he should.
He felt like nobody else is doing it, so I'm gonna do it.
It wasn't just to expose him either, but it was to get

(54:55):
Brinkley into a final showdown in court.
He wanted to get Brinkley to suehim.
Which is a weird thing to say. Well, no, he was.
Pushing him to a checkmate, that's what he was trying to do.
Yep, he. Was just like, no.
No, no, I'm not trying to just chase pawns around the board,
motherfucker. I'm going for your king, and so

(55:18):
I'm going to set some shit. This makes sense.
This is good moves. This this is a good strategy
right here. Fishbein was was a genius.
He. Actually, what's funny is
Fishbein actually did get sued for libel by Brinkley before.
It was about four or five years earlier.
He he sued him, but it didn't goanywhere and Fishbein knew it
wasn't going anywhere. That's that's.

(55:40):
Exactly right, because if he could piss him off to the point
that he would sue for libel, it would create enough traction of
steam that when he proved it wasn't libel, 90% of his
publicity costs were covered just in coverage of this case
like it was. Like so much.

(56:01):
Attention and shit and so much litigation got tied to it that
by the time it was like, oh, it's not libel.
That's a huge fucking hit. Like that's like a hot throat
move, baby. Like this is again, he's going
in for that checkmate. I already I see it, bro, I see
it. This is God damn it, Gil.
You're just reading the minds ofmy script rating.

(56:23):
I just opened up the fish binder.
And I could see what was happening.
This is good exactly a few months just.
A few months after that article went out, Brinkley decided time
to go for. Libel He.
Sued Fishbein and the AMA for libel and just add a little bit
extra. He was like I want $250,000 in

(56:44):
damages too and he's a bitch. Yep, Yep.
Well, at. This time, you know, in this
time, it was like the Muhammad Ali versus Joe Frazier, the
Rumble in the hospital, the Thrilla in Del Rio.
And I know that. Both of those weren't fights
between Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier.

(57:05):
First one was the Rumble in Rumble in the Jungle versus the
Jungle. Yeah, that was versus Thrilla in
Manila. George Foreman.
Yep, George Foreman. And second one was Joe Frazier.
The second one was awkward, fighting a small.
Stovetop grill, but yeah. Or tabletop grill.
But. You know, but all the fat just
comes off. Did he still make?

(57:27):
George Foreman. 'S or did they burn down too
many houses? They do don't like them.
I think so. That's cool.
They were like the they were like the pancakes of air fryers,
if that makes sense. I think it does.
I'm going with that. Yeah, sure.
Well, what is? Funny is that throughout the
years of their Square Austin, the public arena, or even behind

(57:48):
the scenes, both Fishbein and Brinkley had become so, so, so
much alike they. Both worked harder than.
Anyone else? They both grew egos the size of
Texas because they really did both.
Even Fishbein, who is. A a a good person in this.

(58:09):
Story his ego grew, you know andyeah their personality stayed
who they were but their his egosgrew well now.
Their entrance to. The trial could not have said
enough about who they were as a person, just like I said earlier
with the way that they handled themselves when they met.

(58:31):
John R Brinkley sat in the passenger seat of his favorite
car, his fire red Cadillac, withDoctor Brinkley embossed on it
and with his wife Minerva driving and a train of cars
following behind him to get to the courthouse.
The. Tackiest shit.

(58:52):
This is the tackiest shit though.
Like this is gaudy before I think.
What year? What year was this?
30s This is 19. This is.
Gaudy this is. Gaudy, I want to say around the
time of gaudy. I think Gaudy was in the 30s,
made him in the 20s. I don't know, doesn't matter.
Point is, this is gaudy before gaudy became a term.

(59:13):
All right, that's true. That's true, right?
Well God damn, his opposite. Morris Fishbein at this time was
having a small solitary breakfast at the Roswell Hotel.
Drove a homeless nun to church. It's close, but the Roswell
Hotel, which was the former siteof Doctor Brinkley's hospital in

(59:37):
Del Rio, TX. Oh my.
God, this is, I hate to say it, he's becoming Kendrick Lamar.
Like right now, God damn it. I know you referenced that
earlier. Yeah.
He didn't know he. Didn't know in in quotations
that this was this was this hotel and I will a motherfucker

(01:00:01):
that researched. This much didn't know.
I don't believe. I don't believe you at all.
He he haunted down his ex-wife and scheduled her to go to every
future event a couple days laterand set everything up for all
the speaking engagements. And he didn't know one of his
former headquarters. Yeah.

(01:00:23):
Come on. Yeah.
Come on, the reason I bring? That he might not have known,
and he probably did, but when hewas sitting there having
breakfast, when the waitress took away the plates, she asked
Fishbein how it felt to be Doctor Brinkley's guest.
Yeah, she knew who it was. Too, Which is kind of funny.

(01:00:46):
She knew who Fishbein was. So like this is like a Yep,
that's Brinkley throwing a little throwing a little like
this. You're my guest.
Hey, I saw some sun, thought I'd.
Throw a little shade like, well,fishbein looked.
Confused, obviously, because he's just like, what?
And that might have been more confusion on just like, why are

(01:01:08):
you asking me this? Well, she continued with
Brinkley. Still owns part of this hotel.
And that grapefruit you just ate?
Yeah, that came from his orchard.
It's like, damn, they are. Both throwing shade at each
other this whole time and the level of.
Pettiness here. I love this shit.

(01:01:30):
I'll Yeah, I'm here for it, Yeah.
And as soon as. She said that he just slowly
packed up his suitcases, briefcase and he went time to go
to the courthouse and got in hisyou know if Jesus.
Was this petty? You know what I'm saying?
Towards Judas, things might haveworked out differently.
I'm just saying. I'm just saying, I know it's
controversial, but I'm just saying, should've thought about

(01:01:54):
it. That's true.
Well, as the trial beginning, Fishbane had five lawyers
surrounding him. 5 lawyers, right?
Damn. Damn.
Brinkley on the other. Hand had a small father, son,
lawyer team that he had hired that were also local.
And I want to say that this juxtaposition of this is very

(01:02:19):
weird. And it's funny to because
Brinkley arrived like a celebrity, all these people.
He even had like, a famous fortune teller, no joke, a
famous fortune teller in the carbehind him, giving him, like,
updates on how his day was gonnago being like, oh, when was that
person's birthday? Oh, don't worry.

(01:02:39):
They're gonna lose. Yeah.
Seriously. Yeah.
And then in the. Trial Brinkley was acting more
of kind of like the folk hero, you know, flipping that.
And then Fishbein started out like the solitary, like smaller
hero in the stories. He's like behind the scenes,
trying to help everybody to end the trial.

(01:03:01):
He felt like an overbearing corporation.
And I feel like the justification of these two
people in the trial and outside is just so weird.
I. See it, dude, he played the
optics so fucking well. He fucking played those optics.

(01:03:21):
He went in there and he was justlike, I'm, I'm sorry, I'm, I'm
sorry, your magistrate. I, I can only afford this, this
paper bag as a tie today. And he's like, it's OK, Mr.
Brinkley. Are you sure Sir?
I can work more for a tie to respect you.
He just, he came in like fuckingTiny Tim.

(01:03:42):
He's like all I could afford wasthis local, incredibly fucking
local, locally raised, historically known but never
respected free range lawyer and his free range lawyer son who
were home schooled under the laws that you dictated.

(01:04:05):
This is all I could fall. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it's. Like and what's funny is, oh,
he's running it so. Good.
He's running it so. Good and Morris Fishbein's.
Lawyer, his like lead lawyer in the case looked over and he was
like, damn it. He was like he knew and looked
at like his team of lawyers and was like we shouldn't have 5

(01:04:27):
lawyers. Yeah, he was like.
We shouldn't have had five lawyers.
Like that's great optics. Like he knew as soon as he got
into the courthouse, he's like, damn it, there's we have these
five overdressed lawyers in mom versus a mom and pop team.
And to start the trial, they brought some of the locals up to
vouch that, you know, just like a normal trial.
They vouched that they had seen the articles on the news stands

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and such. And then they brought up
Brinkley's assistants to give him an air of medical expertise,
which they did. The medical experts were
traipsed up and down the witnessstand.
And, you know, to be fair, I don't think that there has been
a trial that has shown so many penises or vaginas or any sexual
reproductive system in the history of, you know, courts.

(01:05:13):
To be fair, I don't think there has been or as many goat balls.
Definitely as many goat. Balls 100% I will give you that.
I'm trying to think of what was it.
Like Gawker, dot. Com that got taken down by Hulk
Hogan for Hulk hogan's sex tape it was a huge scandal I.

(01:05:35):
Think it was Gawker I. Want I want to say it was
Gawker, Doesn't matter. It was Hulker.
Yeah, this is. Up there.
Became Hawker afterwards. No, I mean that was like a huge
hit on like free speech in in this country because it was like
how far is the line? Where's the line at?
And that really moved the fence post a certain direction.
It's an important case but and nothing nothing has.

(01:06:01):
Honestly pornhub hasn't seen this many Dicks and balls or
goat balls. So is this case 100% there?
Were so many diagrams that had to be explained and walk through
so people could go through the surgery and to show how show his
mind over the. Past three weeks complex it was
Yes, my. Mind is just like this trial

(01:06:22):
well. So many diagrams.
You had to say. So many diagrams and even the
latest, the end of the Frickin audiobook, went into describing
the Frickin trial, went into detail of the surgeries, and I'm
like, I thought I'd gotten past this.
I thought that the trial was just going to be OK, here's what

(01:06:43):
happened, the trial. But then it just went into each
assistant describing how the fucking procedure went.
And I was like, man, you couldn't leave it alone.
I could have. You could have just had a.
Vasectomy. When it came to this part of the
story, I. I could have had an infosectomy
and just take it out of my brain.
Hopefully that's what's going tohappen after we get done with
this series, but it's a great deal of history.

(01:07:05):
So the first day after the trial, Brinkley went straight to
his radio station. He literally went and started
talking about the trial, which is like, you don't really do
that there, buddy. Yeah, you don't do that.
And you know who's listening? The judge, the jury, because

(01:07:29):
there's no sequester once they get out of that box, like once
you leave Finland, Lithuania. Russia.
All of Nova Scotia. By the way, Russia, Northern
Africa, they're listening. They're.
All listening 3/4 of the planet.Yeah, because it came on right
after French lessons. It did.

(01:07:50):
It actually did. 'Cause he learned how to cuss in
French and he was discussed in French.
Yeah, well, he had talked about the trial and said, I just
thought of a new contest, $500 to the person who best completes
this phrase in 20 words or less in quotations.

(01:08:12):
I'd consider Doctor Brinkley theworld's foremost prostate
specialist because dot dot dot. And you send it in to him.
Basically him trying to get all these reviews so he could send
them to the trial or bring thesepeople or go like, hey, $500 to
you, come on, let's get you on trial.
We're going to get you up there.You know, he's getting he's

(01:08:34):
bringing people into this. He's trying to pump.
It up, he's getting the. Heat going well.
Then he ended that radio broadcast with quote, if Doctor
Fishbein goes to heaven, I want to go the other way.
End Quote 3 shade that's sick ofburns.

(01:09:01):
I'm going to be honest. He does.
Brinkley has some burns fucking.Sick.
Birds, we'll get to Hey man, if he's going to heaven.
Fish binder coming in for the. Win.
I'm going to keep calling him Fish Binder.
Sorry. Yeah, that's fine.
On the third day of the trial, the judge, citing Fry versus the

(01:09:22):
US, which was a prior ruling in the US court system, said that
20 witnesses testifying for Brinkley could not testify.
The reason he said that they could not testify is because
they were just people who received the surgeries.
They were basically like his Google reviews.
And the judge himself said, like, I don't want this to

(01:09:45):
become a circus. There's gonna be like, both
sides are just gonna, it's true.Both sides are just gonna bring
up 100,000 witnesses being like,his surgeries affected me badly.
His surgeries affect all the good look.
Yeah. And.
He was like, that's not gonna. Help this trial, the judge was
actually pretty like he was pretty on it in this case.

(01:10:06):
He was like, we're gonna stop this before it happens.
And so 20 of the witnesses that were gonna testify on Brinkley
literally solemnly just walked out of the courtroom as he's
like a. Waddled out, holding their
balls. Yeah.

(01:10:31):
And it was a smart move. Because, you know, he, he said
the case could last forever. And he's like, I want to get to
the facts and those are just going to be opinions.
So it was, it was smart. Well, now the time came for
Fishbein himself to get up on the witness stand, and
Brinkley's lawyers took him sentence by sentence through the

(01:10:53):
article he had written. It's pretty crazy, like.
Literally 2 part huge article that he had written.
They took him line by line. They asked him where did he get.
The words and the evidence for such remarks, Fishbein said.
Quote I took some of it from hisown biography, A Life of Man,

(01:11:17):
some from listening to him on the radio, and some from his own
patients. God.
It was like, he's just like, damn.
Like literally Brinkley did thisto himself.
I. Quoted you.
Yeah, he then went on to. Admonish Brinkley for not

(01:11:39):
sending his surgeries and his own cure alls in for review with
the AMA then saying that no realdoctor he knew was pulling in
excess over $1 million a year. The one thing that he said that
hit the nail on the head is is aquote that I love this he said

(01:11:59):
quote. That's not medical practice.
That's big business quote. That stands up.
That stands the. Test of time that stands the
test of time. We're just going you're going to
get the BCR clap for that one that that was some that was

(01:12:19):
some. I am for solid medical shit and
this guy is supporting solid medical shit.
Yeah. And just kind of.
Like Brinkley. I know he's he.
Again, this is not this is not an unknown thing because
Brinkley was well liked, like the whole town loved him.
The most of the United States loved him, you know, and
Fishbein kind of wasn't on again, this just this just hit

(01:12:43):
so much. Fishbein was kind of an
unlikeable guy because he was the one that was saying like,
don't do this. Don't do that stuff because it's
bad for you. And it's it's, it's the happens
over and over and over and over again, you know, just like
sometimes the bad guy, sometimesthe guy who looks bad, you know,

(01:13:04):
this is going to sound weird to say.
Sometimes the guy that is not well liked, let's say it like
that could be the one who's actually helping you.
You know, it's like that friend that like tells you the things
you don't want to hear and you get mad at him, you know, and
you're just like, oh, well, he was fucking right.
And the guy that's been literally like, Nah, you're the
greatest, you're awesome, was the one that was trying to take
advantage of you, you know, yes.Yes.

(01:13:33):
That was his actual last commenton the stand.
And I was like, he dropped the mic after that because they said
basically we're done. Yeah, we don't need to talk to
you anymore because he, he was meticulous too.
What was so crazy is they like tried to rile him up.
They try. And, you know, we talked about
earlier his personality. He wasn't the riled up
character. He just pretty even flow the

(01:13:54):
whole time and so they couldn't rile him up.
Made it easy well. Obviously, it was time for John
R Brinkley to take the stand. And unlike his radio Commission
trial, he didn't do as well. He wasn't as smooth, he wasn't

(01:14:15):
as great as. He was.
Damn. Brinkley.
Laid it on thick at the beginning he.
Talked about just like you. Said earlier he talked about
poor me. This trial is making me.
It's making me. It's making me lose my income.
I like. The vapors.

(01:14:36):
I'm losing on my. Income and he funnily enough, he
changed the $1,000,000 that he was making the millions of
dollars he was making to thousands of dollars to see more
relatable. So he wasn't like, oh, I'm oh,
I'm losing my millions. He was like, no, this, this
trial has caused me to lose the thousands of dollars that I was

(01:14:57):
helping my family. You know he he put it down for
the common man. Yeah, What's that, Joel?
Is. It Joel Osteen.
Joel Osteen. We're pausing this show.
Joel Osteen. Osteen.
Hold on. You know, I remember faces
better. Than names, Yeah, I think it's

(01:15:19):
Joel Osteen. Whatever the fuck his name is.
OST EE Nos. You do this as teen.
No. OK, so here's the difference.
See. Like when Alex.
Jones got nipped, like, you knowwhat I'm saying?
When he got pinched, he was like, Oh my God, Like he he

(01:15:42):
eventually he went from strongman to folding completely
on his character. This is what Brinkley is this
again, This goes back to BCR business advice, right?
If you're going to be a good charlatan, this is how you do
it. But part of the show is we are
100% trying to educate you as upand coming criminals.

(01:16:04):
There you go. We set it live on air and we'll
play it back in the recording. We're trying to make you better
criminals. So here's.
The fucking deal. Don't be rich and come into a
court case acting poor. Huge fucking weakness.
What you do is you come in rich but then flip the script to say

(01:16:29):
I give so much of my money away.I support so much of my
community. I help so many people with this.
So if you hurt me, you hurt an entire city.
That's what Joel Osteen did whenhe gets fucking pinched for the
millions of fucking dollars thathe completely fucking embezzled,

(01:16:53):
right? Yeah, yeah.
Where? Like Alex Jones tried to play in
a character, but the point is, is like he let his ego suck
everything up and he just, he just took it all.
It was like all or nothing. So like he was allowed to be
unrelatable to the jury or to the court and then taken down.
But if you are able to tell the court that 90% of the people

(01:17:16):
that they know work for the person that you will fuck over
with your decision, you are gonna be scared to take them
down. This is very honest criminal
advice from the Black Cat Report.
Honestly, this is where he's fucking up.
I'm telling you, Joey, this is where he's fucking up Is you
can't don't. Comment like he could have.

(01:17:37):
Came in with the poor, the aesthetic, because that would
have been great. At the time they didn't have
video, you know what I'm saying?So all the cameras and shit, it
would have looked great on him. And then the story would have
been like he came in and said, you know, I'm just doing my
best. I put all my money towards the
town, towards throwing turkeys off the roof.
You know, somebody has to pay for the spinal surgeries of all

(01:17:57):
those people hit by turkeys lastyear.
You know, those goat spinal surgeries.
But that was in Milford. But he was probably.
Doing the same in Del Rio too. He was.
Yeah, fucking. He's throwing.
He's throwing frozen turkeys everywhere at this point.
But yeah, sorry, I did. That's my con artist advice, you
know, and, and that and that corner, he did kind.

(01:18:20):
Of come in at the the wrong way.At at this time in the trial, it
was still 5050, though it was still 5050 on who was going to
win. Because, like, he's still a
fucking big name in Del Rio, TX.Most of these people.
And I want to laugh at the pointof somebody asking, do they know
who John Brinkley is to the jurywhen they're trying to weed out

(01:18:40):
the people in the jury? And it's like, literally, I was
just on his lawn watching an airshow last week.
You know, like, yeah, like something like, I, I don't know
my bar mitzvah. Was in his front yard.
Yeah, I. Imagine.
The. Biggest question, just like when
I was, you know, chosen for the Curry was like, would you let
that affect your your judgement?And I think that's such a great

(01:19:03):
question because you might know these people, but if it doesn't
affect and you can literally layit out flat of like, no, this
we're just got to deal with the law, then you know, then you.
Deal with the law. You can be a a biparti
bipartisan, you can be a non partisan.
I guess I would say non partisanobjective, non bias.

(01:19:26):
Yeah, yeah. Non bias.
Yeah, yeah. Well, you got to come in with.
I own. Everybody.
And if you fuck me over, you fuck everybody over.
Just saying. I mean.
This is how you con. He didn't.
Want a con too? Much.
I think he was getting old too. I mean, he wasn't even that old.
But well, Brinkley went into detail about the goat gland

(01:19:46):
surgery as well. Just like I was saying earlier,
the assistants did too. And he went into great detail
because they asked him about it.You know, they're just like,
tell us about the goat gland surgery, correct?
And we'll reveal. Something about this in a minute
that might be a little fun for everybody.
He even went all the way back tohis beginnings and his first

(01:20:10):
surgery was Stitchworth, the first goat gland transplant.
He even brought up a new story that happened in that little
like that little time the Stitchworth brought in one of
their other relatives who was inthe insane asylum in Nebraska
because, and I quote, this is what they said, he was in the

(01:20:31):
insane asylum because he was a masturbator.
Who amongst us? Hasn't spent a weekend or three
in the local sanitarium for justsuch a reason.
Let he. Who?
Is without seamen. That's the first thumb.

(01:20:54):
Shot, that's what I always that's what you're that you
know, I've heard you. Say that a few times and we will
get that. Splattered across the shirt,
play a cross. Shirt that you can wash in the
wash. It's machine washable.
Actually it's it's it's it's hand wash only.

(01:21:15):
And it will. Always be slightly crusty.
Yep. Well, isn't a sock stuck to?
The back of your shirt. Well, that masturbator
apparently, and I say that in the maybe the dearest of terms,
apparently became a manager of one of the biggest banks in

(01:21:35):
Kansas City. So Brinkley testified.
And I want to say that because before, before he was released
from the sanitarium, and I know that sounds funny when I said
that masturbator, but supposedlyonce he got the surgery, he like
healed in some sort of way. I don't know what how they

(01:21:58):
describe how Brinkley described his healing process.
He went from two major problems to.
One when all of a sudden he stopped caring about
masturbation. Exactly.
Yeah, and, you know, he he became a manager of the biggest
banks in Kansas City. I think that was a little bit of
plug that Brinkley was like, hey, you should hire this guy.

(01:22:20):
Yep. Well, throughout the questioning
after this, they painted Brinkley as a smug and rich
asshole. Easy to do.
It was real easy. Yep.
That the defense was like, painthim as this this.
Look at him. Look at the money he's making,
you know, and he was dressed pretty well too.
So like he didn't Brinkley was dressed well and looked the part

(01:22:43):
of it. He also, they described him his
like demeanor, right? They described Brinkley's
demeanor in it. And he had a toothpick and this
was real. He had a toothpick the whole
time. And slowly he would just sit
there and while the trial was going on, while he was watching,
he's just kind of like staring off in his face, kind of just

(01:23:03):
looking around, picking his teeth, you know, picking his
ear, stuff like that. Like he wasn't even caring about
this trial. And it showed him as like an
affluent, arrogant person. And so those, even with that,
like you were saying before, even with those five lawyers on
Fishbein's side, they were stillable to paint him as the
corporatized greedy magnet, you know, And Fishbein is this well

(01:23:29):
educated orator, which is a weird way to say it.
And even Fishbein himself was really good on the witness
stand. He crushed it.
He gave very simple answers, succinct.
And like we had said last time, he pointed it out, he's not a
fucking medical practice person.He's not a fucking doctor.
He's a business. And like, there's a difference.

(01:23:51):
And so it was easy to do. Well, one of the biggest things
that broke open the case, they asked Brinkley, like I said
earlier, to go through his wholeoperation and if there was any
deviation in each of the surgeries, if they were an
experimental part of the surgeryor just a normal process, that's

(01:24:12):
very important too. And he did do that in great
detail. Now I want to get into the last
exchange in the court case because it seemed like this was
the end of the case and it finally tipped the hand to the
winner. And this is between the lawyer
and Brinkley on the stand, right?
The lawyer explain to us, how doyou make that little testicle of

(01:24:37):
a little? How old will the goats?
Ordinarily they're about 3 weeks.
That little testicle of a young goat you claim that lived and
grew after you implanted in a human testicle.
Some of them seem to grow and would enlarge, and the others,

(01:24:57):
the majority of them went through a process of absorption.
Absorption. Yes, Sir, they were gradually
absorbed. You mean to say that little
thing lived and was part of the human testicle and was living
there after you put it in there?No.

(01:25:20):
Sir, I don't. Conceive of it as part of the
human testicle lawyer. You don't claim you connected up
the nerves or any blood vessels.Oh Lord no you.
Just took this. Little thing separate and put it
in that slit in the testicle andsewed it up.

(01:25:43):
Yes, Sir. This is huge and I don't.
Know if you caught this? Because you caught it, I bet.
This in itself was the complete opposite of what he had claimed
for more than 20 years. The testicles weren't grafted,

(01:26:03):
they were pretty much just dumped into the ball sack.
He was caught in a lie and he even had said it at the
beginning of the trial. The opposite of what he just
said. Now, whether it was like just
freaking getting tired, end of the trial wooziness, he slipped.

(01:26:26):
Yeah. I know what's.
Funny out there is like lawyers speak in like parts of trials is
it can be so boring, but in somelittle tiny moments that can
flip a case. That's the significance.
Yeah. It also didn't help that he

(01:26:48):
talked about his injections thathe sent people home with
afterwards. So I don't remember if I, I
think I did talk about it at theend of the at the end of the the
year, like during the year rightafter you had your surgery, he
would send you home with 12 little like vials, right low
vials of this purple watery liquid.

(01:27:09):
I might not have said it. I might have.
I think I said it. I don't think you ever.
Talked about this yeah yeah, yeah maybe bring it down first
episode yeah so. At the end of your surgery, I'll
bring it up now, but at the end of his surgery, you had to wait
a year. I did say in the second one, he
had to wait in the year before you could like do any kind of
thing. You know, he had to wait a year
to get the your tubes uncut or whatever he was, whatever he was

(01:27:30):
doing at the time, no one knows.He didn't know.
Yeah, he actually didn't, which is funny.
He he gave them 12 vials of whathe called like something to
stimulate what he called to stimulate the white blood cells.
And that was basically the idea of it is that you can start
healing. It'll the white blood cells will

(01:27:51):
start attacking the infections, which conveniently literally
happened after he's did the surgery on you.
So go figure, but it. Was 12 hours.
Like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But he sent him home with 12 hours.
He didn't just give them to him,though.

(01:28:12):
He made them pay 100 extra dollars.
And so remember when he stood atthe doorway and made that person
who was that woman lie on the deathbed and he held the gun to
her brothers? I said it in the second episode
to get the $100. That's what those were for.
And he, he. Made them pay for them and.
Was like these are going to helpyou heal.

(01:28:34):
Well, the AMA for so long tried to get vials and tried to get
Brinkley to send him send them those vials so they could check
him and be like, these are magical like these are magic
like fixed for fucking everything like they're gonna
fix so much stuff if they're a magical cure.
Why didn't you send them to him?It's just like he had Doctor

(01:28:54):
Fishbein had said in the earlierpart of the trial.
Why didn't you send us stuff to like we could have been like
you're a genius. Well, they finally got a vial.
AMA finally got a vial a couple years later and they found out
in their tests of it that it wasjust water and the tiniest.
Like literally, I think they said comparing it the tiniest

(01:29:18):
bit of purple dye, like indigo dye kind of if you.
If you hold it up to the light, I think I see a color.
That's what was happening here. And what's even worse?
Is after he had said that there's something he went
through the whole rant, Yeah, headmitted that he didn't know
what the vials actually did thathe was selling for $100.

(01:29:42):
Literally said out loud he was like, I don't know.
I don't know. I really don't know, you know,
And they're like, do you know what they did?
He's like, I really don't know. This was.
This was. A fucking legal move because he
already knew that he was fuckingscrewed at this point I'm going
to guess with his team of fucking lawyers and shit, he.

(01:30:02):
Knew that he was. Fucking screwed and.
What was happening? Is he didn't know because I bet
you he was fucking scared when they pulled out this like piss
bottle from the other side of Lake MI and he's like, oh fuck,
there might be murder charges against me or there might be
this or there might be that, like his mind.

(01:30:22):
I, I'm just going to guess here.His mind probably went fucking
nuts with like potentials of repercussions and it was better
for him legally to say I'm totally inadequate.
I don't know what the fuck's going on.
I didn't expect any of this to happen.
I'm a complete charlatan than totake responsibility and say it's

(01:30:42):
supposed to do this and then they could start trying to prove
against him. Well, you said that it did this
and did this. It would be better to just say
he was a fucking liar and was anidiot than to try to argue
another case. Guarantee you a garin fucking to
you. Yeah.
What's funny is the. The funny thing you say that is
like they brought into the trialhis own biography and they

(01:31:06):
started reading him chapter names.
That I'll always get you. Yeah.
One of the names. How I fucked over the.
AMA no joke. Fuck.
Fish Binder. Seriously, I'll beat him in
court. You ever beat off a fish?
Watch next month as I beat all Fishbinder and.

(01:31:27):
And what's funny is they read out the chapter titles to him.
We're just like, so I do want toask you, Doctor Brinkley, do you
think you're the greatest? You're the greatest surgeon in
the world? And he's like, no, I don't think
that he's like, then why did it get written in your book?
Yep. You know.
And he's just like, well. I didn't, he kept saying.
I didn't write the book. I believe that the guy who wrote

(01:31:49):
the book, the poet believed he said that.
I don't know where he got that. And then he was like, yeah.
And then he was like, so you really think you can be like,
there was a part in there when he was like about con men and
about how you con people out of their money.
No joke. And they read that to him.
And he was just like, well, I don't know where he would get

(01:32:09):
that. I Maybe he was just looking at
my friend's life and it was justlike these little squirmy
maneuvers. And that was way before he got
caught off guard with the other stuff.
It was their. Little pricks to.
Get him into to this part. You know, you know, just their
little pin pricks to get them tothis.
Well, obviously after that last part, they they didn't need to

(01:32:31):
do any more. They finished up the they
finished were like, all right, thank you defense rests.
And so it was closing arguments time and as much of the time
they don't record closing arguments, but they did save
this small snippet from what oneof fish Bonds attorney said.
He said, quote, I want to win that $500 prize that Doctor

(01:32:57):
Brinkley's offering on the radio, but I'll make a change in
the sentence. The sentence I'm offering the
contest is this. Doctor Brinkley is.
The foremost money making surgeon in the world because he
had sense enough to know the weaknesses of human nature and
gall enough to make $1,000,000 ayear out of it.

(01:33:21):
Drop the quote left. Well, at the end of the trial,
the judge went into listing all of the failures of John
Brinkley, him losing his medicallicense, his radio license, even
quoted Brinkley's own book and said that anybody that Brinkley
had libeled himself better than Fishbein ever could.

(01:33:42):
Doctor Fishbein won the trial soeasily, and Brinkley was defined
as a quack. And just like that, the greatest
surgery that Brinkley could havedone was to himself.
He did a money vasectomy becausethe sharks started swirling.
Brinkley had pretty much lost everything.

(01:34:04):
He was self-conscious, losing. Money heavily.
Because all of the other goat nut doctors started taking his
business. That and he kept spending his
money with abandoned after the trial.
Throughout 1938 and 1939, civil lawsuits started coming in from
his former patients. Even his business manager sued

(01:34:25):
him for malpractice. It was like the sharks were
circling. Damn.
He was about $3,000,000 in debt to civil lawsuits.
And then came the real vultures.The IRS came to him for back

(01:34:48):
taxes that he never paid becauseif we look in the trial,
remember he was saying he was only making thousands of dollars
instead of 1,000,000. And so they started researching
into all of what he had done in.19. 40 He wasn't done and he was
still living. He had taken over is The funny

(01:35:09):
thing. It's called the Ditty School for
Mechanics. No comment would.
Would be a comment so for sure. All right, well.
He claimed in his advertising ifyou went to the ditty school for
mechanics. That you wouldn't be drafted

(01:35:33):
for. The war because they were
starting to draft in 1940. You were too young.
Yeah, exactly. Well, the Better Business Bureau
took him to court and found he had misappropriated money and
then took that business away from him.
He couldn't he. Couldn't even buy a bucket, as

(01:35:53):
he would say in basketball. You know at this point, well,
that's what you say. Can't even buy a bucket.
And you can't make a shot. Well, in early 1941, he filed
for bankruptcy. He listed $300,000 in assets and
then only $300,000, right, and then claimed over $1 million in

(01:36:18):
debts. He moved most of his money to
Minerva, which was a smart move.And then because they were still
going after her, now she had to claim bankruptcy, too, because
the creditors were swarming. And in mid 1941, Mexico and the
US mended their relationship finally and shut down Xera.

(01:36:40):
And I want to make, I wanted to say this because this is
important. That's his radio station down
there. Upon ransacking it, they started
finding news broadcasts that were going all over the border
that kind of started to favor Nazi Germany.
Oh. No.

(01:37:00):
Is this why I shouldn't get a full frontal tattoo of him?
Yep. Because for some time it was
long rumored that he was sympathetic to the Nazis.
And if I want to say it very clearly, he started going in
some decently racist rants owingMorris Fishbein because Morris

(01:37:21):
Fishbein was Jewish. And a lot of people started
saying that Brinkley was a. Member of.
The Aryan race and he loved Hitler.
I didn't see that coming. With the fact that he is
replacing people's balls with goballs and that nobody had a

(01:37:45):
radio station in Mexico like I thought like, you know what I'm
saying? Like if he would have been like
white, all right, you know, kindof bullshit, Like he would have
went to Canada, which would havebeen way the fuck closer by the
way, than going to Mexico. You know it's.

(01:38:06):
You don't know. Oh God, that's.
Just like he went full on Henry Ford with that shit.
That's just he did. Ah, Bra, there's a funny thing
too. I got to be a.
Horrible piece of. Shit, you know, yeah, there's
two things too that I. Also wanted to mention too, I
didn't write it in the script, but I want to mention that he in
his swimming pool when he came, remember he came back from

(01:38:29):
Berlin and it was just after theOlympics.
He appreciated the clean streets.
He appreciated everything. At that time, Hitler had just
taken over and cleaned up all the streets from ALDI.
The streets are. Clean and he says.
No more these. Pesco, these pesky bagel shops,
they're all gone. OK?

(01:38:49):
Like, why do you want bread witha hole in the middle?
I've always said that. I've always said that.
He he very much loved Nazi Germany and one of his quotes he
said that the Nazis understood the science of worship.

(01:39:10):
No, they didn't. That's what he said, though.
That's what he said. The Nazis, even.
Even the fucking s s and shit like that didn't even 90% of
them didn't even believe their own weird occult religion that
Nazi Germany tried to like startup.
Like the National Socialist Party tried to start its own
bucked up weird religion becauseit outlawed Christianity.

(01:39:32):
And like every other fucking faith possible. 99% of the
people who were just like yeah, this is the dumbest I've ever
heard of. Like they still celebrated
Christmas and shit, you know, like I don't the science of
worship. Meaning worshipping hit
propaganda. Gurbles.
Gurbles. Had it go in full swing at the
time. Yeah, yeah.
And he looked at that more. Than anything when he returned

(01:39:55):
from Berlin as well in his pool he put in the like ceramic
tiles, you know that are around the pool, swastikas.
It's actually just a. Buddhist Roman salute symbol.
Yeah, yeah. But no, he put those in the
reason why I have Elon. Musk doing Zig Heil is because

(01:40:20):
it's actually a Roman salute symbol from the future, which is
why it has nothing to do with Nazis.
Gilad, everybody, That's what actually, that's what he was
saying. Yeah.
He was saying that 100 percent, 100%, he went full bore.
And a lot of the parts in there,he went full like, weirdly, he
went full Christian, like full death and brimstone on the radio

(01:40:44):
stations, which makes sense because then that starts leading
over to his like, let's hate immigrants.
And then he started fighting against Fishbein, who was
Jewish, which is why we're goingto.
Mexico exactly. Yeah.
Well, this is he is. Borderline a less endearing
Kenny Powers in Eastbound and down, just ending up in Mexico.

(01:41:07):
The worst kind. Well, I I wanted to.
Save this whole part to last because I wanted you guys to
like him until it worked. You're like, oh.
Shit, he actually is a. Nazi and he supports their
ideals in the end. Well, in 1941, November of 1941,
he finally thought finally everything was lost.

(01:41:32):
He had a heart attack and was bedridden.
While he was bedridden, the US Postal Service finally brought
charges against him, and a federal Marshall showed up at
his bedside and gave him his indictment.
And to what would be insult to injury, one of the charges was

(01:41:52):
that he had falsely claimed thatJohn R Brinkley was a great
surgeon, scientist and physician.
He's basically saying your wholelife's work is false.
Damn. Nice.
U.S. Postal Service, they got petty a
little late, but they got petty too.

(01:42:14):
Manerva was also. Arrested for mail fraud.
She's just as involved as he was.
So there was no, there was no hiding her either.
She was just as involved. The whole empire was collapsing.
It's like the end of a movie when everyone starts getting
their comeuppance. Finally, just when you thought
they were going to skate away, just in the middle of his trial

(01:42:34):
when he had a little bit of the upper hand and he was like, Oh
no, that is liable. He was so close and right before
he died, Minerv and John sent just because they still loved
each other, love letters to eachother.
They weren't close at this time because she went to go take care
of business stuff and try to gethim out of the basically trying

(01:42:57):
to keep the family out of prison.
Mail fraud. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Busy with family. Shit, she was busy and.
Sent right before. He died, they sent love letters
to each other, described their life and how much they loved
one, each loved one another. And basically John was like
please take care of the kids. I'm I don't have long for this

(01:43:18):
world. And John R Brinkley died on May
26th, 1942 in San Antonio, just one year into the start of World
War 2. So we will never know if
implanting goat balls into our troops would have made them
super soldiers. Never enough.
John R Brinkley. Died as one of the most famous

(01:43:40):
people at the time. His life had taken him from
simple little son of a rock farmer to one of the most famous
surgeons of the time. Getting invitations to the
biggest parties in LA, owning 3 yachts, a mansion, a host of
cars. Finding a love his life that
would help build his empire withhim as well as help raise his

(01:44:01):
son. But we cannot, honestly.
Forget the lives that this man ruined with his experimental
surgery, thousands of people whowere maimed and sometimes killed
by the knife and mind of John Romulus Brinkley.
He of course had his fall, but most people could not get the
justice they deserved though he.Did do bad?

(01:44:25):
Things it can't be denied the profound effect he had on
history and how much of what we see today happened yesterday.
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