55 | Joachim Kroll: The Unexpected Monster - Black Cat Report | UFOs, Cryptids, True Crime & Paranormal

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Semen everywhere, Marks of strangulation around her neck,
flesh removed from her buttocks and dies.
It was July 26th, 1959 when the death of 16 year old Manuela
Kant was declared by police to be the result of yet another
serial gang rape. For the past four years, the one

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sleepy, peaceful city of Dwiceburg and its surrounding
rural Hamlets nestled in northwestern Germany had been
overtaken by a plague of highly intelligent murderers and gangs
of cunning, brutal rapists. But no matter how hard the
police tried, this flood of demonic acts still bless the
front pages of the local newspapers near daily.

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Always another corpse crime capture conviction.
Reality as unimaginable as it isunwinnable.
Months passed and the cycle continued with no end.
Insight, confidence and past convictions began to weaken as
investigators grew suspicious, theories mutated and morphed
until finally the police came toan agreement.

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There were only two options for what was really going on.
Teams of elite killers had descended on their jurisdiction
or. We're dealing with a master of
evasion. Escape.
A true evil genius. This is the story of Yakum

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Kroll. And his 21 year reign of terror.
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matches. This is the.
Blackout report. See you on the other side.
Hello everyone and welcome to episode 55 of The Black Cat
Report. My name is Gil and I'm joined
here by our lead detective Joey.Hola.
Prime suspect Selena. Hey, you can't prove that.

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And role-playing for a dead bodyand missing person is Bets Bay
this week now. If you couldn't tell by the
intro for this installment of Cannibal Month, we will cover a
mix of brutal violence, rape, murder, and cannibalism.
We'll still deliver in just a little hint of humor, so if

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that's not your vibe anyways, first and foremost got to give a
shout out. Before we dive in.
I want to give a huge shout out to Rooster Junior Parrot for
going to our website Black Cat dot Report.
Clicking Submit your show ideas on the top right of the page and
submitting their request for us to cover Yokum Kroll so huge

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Thank you and also as a heads upto you, we've got your other
suggestions on our list for upcoming episodes.
Yeah, hint hint everybody else out there if you have ideas.
Yeah, if you want us to cover something, just submit.
Yeah, and like, RJP has sent us like, fuck.

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He sent us about four or five emails so far, and each one of
them is just like golden. I'm having to literally kind of
sit back and like time when I'm going to like have basically
free time enough to like do all the research I'm gonna need just
to do them like justice. Like he get sending like
incredible suggestions. I'm like super stoked again.

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What's that saying? If you think it's good shit, you
must submit. There we go.
I love it. That's a good saying.
Did you make that up? Yeah, that's.
Awesome. Now, before we take a stab into
the body of this episode, I wantto address something that's come
to light when digging through old books, news articles, and

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the occasional well cited blog post.
A very clear narrative began forming as I pieced together my
notes once a more complete timeline was laid out.
All the brief quotes and casual references around Kroll's story
revealed a heavy, overlooked bias that none of the single
sources had acknowledged. The truth about Yomuka Krull is

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well, the real story has much todo with yokum as it does the
police. Keep that in mind as the story
builds and ties together at the end.
You know, I just want to say before you get in, get into
this. Every time you say serial gang
rape, I just think of somebody putting a bunch of different
styles of serial into one bowl and then.

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Just like. Dousing it with bowl.
Then dousing it with milk, I mean, I guess.
That's the milk comes last. Everybody knows that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Unless you're a serial killer.
But it comes first. Well.
Somewhere in the middle we'll see Yokum Kroll, known locally

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by children of Dwysburg as Uncle.
Yokum was later known by the press as the Rural Cannibal, The
Rural Hunter and. Weisberg Maneater working as a
laboratory cleaner, Kroll was a tiny, almost frail looking man,
balding big ears and Coke bottleglasses.
He always wore a light brown tweed suit coat.

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Neighbors living near the third floor homestyle apartment
generally considered him kind, gentle and decent, and it was
said that people knew essentially right off the bat
that he had a low IQ. It was everybody throughout his
entire life said. Is very obvious the moment he
opened his mouth. The moment you start speaking

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with them. And this was a reaction well
documented and later confessed by Kroll to have stretched all
the way back to his childhood, the 6th of nine children.
Kroll was born in 1933 into a family of coal miners.
He spent the early years of his life in an area known as
Hindenburg, Upper Salisa, Germany, a region that later

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became what's now modern day Poland or a part of modern day
Poland. Small, weak and known locally as
the town idiot, Kroll was regularly and severely beaten by
his parents for anything he was accused of, not just by his
parents but also by his siblings.
Between these moments of abuse, he would only receive neglect.

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Attention to only came in the form of violence, but these
years were few as Germany would eventually begin making the
moves that would start World War2.
Almost immediately, Kroll's father was drafted and the
family was left to fend for themselves.
In brief time, the struggle would come to a head as news of
Kroll's father being captured and then dying reached the

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family. Faced with living near the
Polish German border as tensionswere rising, they quickly moved
from Upper Celesia into West Germany.
It was here in West Germany thatKroll spent his teenage years
working as a farmhand. It was on that farm when Kroll
started puberty and witnessed. Pigs being slaughtered this

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moment, later explained in detail by Kroll, made him
immediately aroused by the sightof the pig's blood squirting out
and flowing on the ground, becoming a regular trigger for
him. He would eventually seek out
livestock to satisfy his teenageimpulses.
Yokum Kroll was a cow fucker. Move my goodness over.

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That documentary that you like, you said like there's
documentaries on YouTube. Well, I.
Stayed up until they said that he used to fuck animals on the
farm and then I was like and I rolled over and closed my eyes.
So this is that, that is a pointthat's like kind of again it's

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it's just briefly touched on to different areas, but when you
kind of grab all these little factoids and these little
details and put them together and lay them out
chronologically, you start to realize there's something
important about that point well.As a point in the timeline of
his progression, this is important.
He goes from fucking cows to becoming a necrophilic

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cannibalistic serial killer rapist.
For the record, I don't know theproper way to order those titles
together, but anyways, I. Guess he was already a rapist
though, because he was raping cows.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, do you go by like their
first act to their last one or is there priority or.
I didn't put them in the order of importance.

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I was just like, these all are bad, but.
I feel like it just flows. When in doubt, just put them in
alphabetical order. Ain't nobody gonna be mad at
that. They're gonna be like that.
Makes sense somehow. Hell yeah.
Well, so far as most formative years have now associated
conversation with anxiety and silence with comfort.

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Neglect with love and rape with desire, violence with attention
and blood with arousal, animals with sex and animals with food.
Again, all of this combined withhis low IQ before the age of 19

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and would be in 1955 when he was19, that the next two steps in
Kroll's evolution into a monstertook place the 1st.
His mother's death. At this point in his life, his
mom was the only one that even passively accepted him, while in
reality it was more tolerance and acceptance.
Kroll was now faced with no one to support him and being at an

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age where he would have to go survive in the world as an
adult. And the second her death forced
him to find work on a new farm, it was an agricultural farm,
which meant no lovestock, I meanlivestock to rape.
Saying that these reasons are strong arguments for what led
Kroll to commit his first murdermight seem like a stretch, and

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they generally are in most casesuntil you realize he took the
life of his first human victim only three weeks after his
mother's death. Everything was so compact into
this, and it was like they were very clear, very obvious
triggers. Well, I mean, cows used to be
all black until he started working on the farm.

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That's disgusting. Boom.
It was February 8th, 1955 when 19 year old Kroll happened to
meet a 19 year old runaway namedErmgard Strayhill.
He quickly invited her to go fora walk with him through some

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nearby woods. She agreed and once they were
alone Kroll tried to kiss her. She resisted, and Kroll began
trying to force it. When she kept refusing, Kroll
pulled out a large butcher's knife and stabbed her in the
throat four times, pretty much the exact same motion you would
make if you were slaughtering a pig.

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Kroll then began strangling her,blood still pouring from her
neck. When she finally died, he raped
her, cut open her chest, and left her disemboweled on the
ground. When her body was discovered and
a bunch sorry. When her body was discovered in
a Bush five days later, police were horrified not just by the

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state of her remains, but by theunbelievable amount of semen
left in her vagina. Jeez.
Based solely on the skeet, they concluded she must have been
gang raped by a large group of boys I've made.
A lot. A whole football team of boys.

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The amount of like police. Reports they were boys or men.
I changed it to men and then I went back and changed it to
accurately reflect what was quoted multiple times in police
reports, newspapers, investigators that were
interviewed. Like what?
They said large groups of boys and I was like, what is going on

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in this fucked up area of the world?
Just a roving pack of boys. Just one of those damn roving
pack of boys always cutting out guts and leaving seamen
everywhere. Well, not many details are
available, but it was eventuallyconfirmed that barely a year
later Kroll would strangle and rape his 2nd victim, 12 year old

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Erica Schulter. Fast forward now to 1959.
Kroll was 23 years old, and I think the best way to describe
him as a person, his next big discovery and the 17 years left
before his arrest, is to picturethe perfect mix of Forrest Gump
and Jeffrey Dahmer. I challenge anyone to disagree

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with this after they hear the. Rest of this story old Jeffrey
Gump. So it was June 16th, 1959 and 24
year old Clara Freida Tessmer was taking a stroll along the
top of a Meadow. Kroll, walking towards her,
reached for her arm to grab it, but she jerked it away, shocked

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that she could somehow react so negatively to him.
A struggle ensued and Clara attempted to fight off Kroll
until they both fell down and began rolling down into the
Meadow from here. They quickly began wrestling
again as Kroll tried to undress her, and in the process he
strangled her to death. After raping her corpse, Kroll

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added a new step to his tradition.
He pulled out a folding knife and sliced off pieces of her
buttocks and thighs, then carefully wrapped them up and
took them home to try out for dinner.
Turns out he was totally an ass man.
He loved it. And later, when police asked
why, why would he eat a human? He simply said to save on his

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grocery bills. Wow.
Straight up, that was his quote.So many times.
He's like meat is so expensive at the store.
I don't know. It helps me save on grocery
bills. It was so bad.
You got your, you got your meat,you got your pork shoulder over

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there. And he was walking down the
aisle and he was like, oh, that's the buttocks, That's the
good stuff right there. He's 80.
He's an ass, man. You could have rump roast for
days. Human Long Pig.
Well, so that was definitely hisDahmer moment, right?
But there's more, as I promised,see when Clara was found later

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in the woods. His inner Gump was somehow
harnessed and after reviewing the crime scene, collecting
evidence and narrowing down suspects, police then
confidently settled on their culprit.
A random mechanic, Heinrich OTT,who was arrested and then
charged for not only Clara's death, but multiple related

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murder rapes that had been taking place in the area for
years. Wink, wink.
Before Heinrich was put on trial, he hanged himself.
Oh my God. I mean, he could have just
technically been a Nazi from theyears before and he was just
like, you know, he's like maybe cuz he was from those days too.

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I mean, he had done after all the shit that the Nazis did.
If being like, suspected of doing this was what finally he
was like, I can't live with thisjudgment, then that's like.
That's a whole another conversation.
But. He was pretty odd.
Was that a last name joke, Joey?I loved it.

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Yeah. Thank you.
Thank you. You're going to have another
chance here in a moment. Yoga making me hungry.
Was that a yoga? So it was only a month later
that Kroll would need to go on another run to his new favorite
grocery store? On July 26th, 1959, Coral

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strangled and raped 16 year old Manuela Conte in a City Park,
leaving her face and pubic hair covered in semen and taking meat
from her butt and thighs. When it remains were discovered
and death investigated, police concluded that it must have been
a gang raped by a large group ofboys.

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These packs of boys rolling around.
Yeah, this. Is Jesus Christ.
They need like a neighborhood watch or something, right?
Yeah. Who let the boys out, really.
This is like, y'all seen that Chappelle show skit where it's
like every time cops like, kill a black guy, they like, sprinkle

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crack on him. Sprinkle crack.
Yeah, yeah, that this was like the, like 1950s equivalent and
Germany was like. Obviously it was a gang raped by
a group of wild boys. Anytime they see a boy, they
just squirt them with some semen.
Aha got. Him.
That's our culprit. I think you had semen on you.

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But they had to reassess their conclusion when a year later a
well known serial confessor horsed Otto, walked straight
into the police station and confessed it was him.
He was charged. Tried and convicted, eventually
spending five years in jail before being released when he

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admitted to a false confession. Is that the Forrest gumpiness
coming in here? Like it's just like just the
there's like, God, I love this. Why?
Doesn't everyone do that? No, I was.
Like wait, which? Part of the story.
Oh. Like, but that would confession.

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No, It was it was it was it was it was coerced?
No. Come on.
Well, they should have known it.They should have known it when
he came in there, confessed and he said you ought to know that I
was the killer here. And they were just like, get
here. You're not the killer.
It's fun is. GET is GET.

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Puns. Yeah.
Well, pulls off the mask and it's a Alanis Morissette.
They're like, yeah, I don't know.
And his first name's Horse, too.I can't believe we haven't said
anything about that. I can't do a horse noise.
Do you know how confusing it was?

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Like lining up these two people that went to jail for like
Kroll's like crimes when like, their names were almost
identical? I mean, it's funny cuz it watch.
It have literally just been Kroll.
Going to jail, saying to go to jail.
But he couldn't think up anothername, so he just went in there
as like different characters. But he was like, I'm horse Otto,

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yeah, Otto, yeah, yeah. There's a horse looks over
there. Yeah, that whole thing.
I am horse Otto, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
He's an Ottoman. He's like.
In 1960, True Kroll really hit. Steady stride, He killed his

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fifth known victim on April 23rd, Petra Geese, 13 years old,
who was lost when she was out looking for a friend after
spending the evening at a local carnival.
When her body was found, doctorsand detectives were absolutely
baffled. Not that portions of her butt
and thighs were missing, but herentire left arm.

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They spent way too much time. Theorizing how it happened or
what could have done it. I'm like judging by how they go
through everything and come to conclusions, I'm assuming they
invented like a like South American crypted that they
started blaming for shit at somepoint because they just fucking
they all of these other folks. So we've let's see SO4 victims

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now in this this range, right? Have all had pieces of their
flesh. Removed.
Right. And it wasn't just like, bites
and crap like that. It wasn't just a stab.
And it was like very intentional.
Like, I'm you've taken cuts of meat out.
Yeah. No suspicions at this point of a
cannibal. No suspicions of a serial killer

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or a serial rapist. Their suspicions have been
entirely based on gang rapes by groups of wild boys and.
I wanted to say. And random folks in town.
In a later interview with Yokum,they asked him why did you take
her arm and he said, well sometimes my back gets itchy,

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that and I can't reach it. He might have literally said
that. He was the.
He was the. Beginning of the backs on my
back scratcher, yeah. Yeah.
Well, the APB went out too, and he was armed and dangerous.
That's what they. This leads me to feel pretty

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confident though that they askedVinzen Kun during his trial
where sorry again should have spell checked.
This leads me to feel pretty confident though that when they
asked Vinzen Kuen during his trial where her arm went.
Just before he was convicted forher murder, they were also left

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just as confused. Now in all fairness here, he
wasn't just a random dude this time.
Vinzez, no idea how to pronouncehis name, was a known child
molester in the area. And while that does make him a
terrible piece of shit and scumbag of a human being, it's
not actual evidence, right? Which, by the way, was never

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presented. Regardless, he would only go on
to serve six years out of his 12year sentence.
So going now again still in 1962to June 4th 1960, two 12 year
old Monica Teffel was abducted by Kroll while she was walking
home from school. He killed her and pleasured

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himself with her body in the exact same way that he's done
the last five victims, but this time.
When he pulled out his greaseproof paper and started
wrapping up pieces of flesh, he didn't take the whole arm, just
meat from her forearm, which would now become a regular
pattern for him. So last time he was just kind of
taking home like a sampler platter basically, and worked

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with it, figured out what he wanted to do, came back.
He's like, this is the nicest cut.
And he did mention this multipletimes.
Later he said the forearm on young women has the most, like,
tender meat. He just, he'd loved it, couldn't
get enough. Well, any guesses about what
might happen after the police Finder?
Anybody. Anybody could.

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Roving they arrested. Toys.
That's getting close, Getting close.
They bring out their Turkey baster full of semen and just
start squirting young. Boys, semen everywhere.
Bingo. Get all skis, fire with fire,
semen with semen. Oh my God, you're going into the

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jail, son. The only way the only way we can
stop a gang of serial rapist boys is to become a gang of
serial rapist boys. No, son, just some
sharpshooters. They were trained.

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So, so everybody was correct andbingo, Walter.
Kwyker was accused and arrested for her murder, known for being
a sweet old man with a fondness for young girls.
As creepy as that sounds, there was never any evidence anywhere
and anybody said anything, including little kids, that he
had ever done anything, like inappropriate.

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He was just kind of like an old man.
That was nice. And it was also not too far out
of the time period, but that waslike a normal thing, you know?
So yeah, there was never literally any evidence that was.
Put up against him. There were no witnesses and they
that there was no case, right? But besides all that, the police

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still tried every possible angleto charge him with Monica's
murder. In the end, they couldn't get
any of the serious charges to stick and so his sentence was
short, probably due to a complete lack of evidence.
But when he was released, the people of Walsom, the small area
where this was, began taunting and harassing him.

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Treating him like a pedophilic murderer, his wife unable to
live with a quote child molester, divorced him.
Shop owners refused to let him in their stores.
Kids openly harassed him while the public ignored it, and in a
short time the isolation and torment led him to commit
suicide by hanging himself in the same woods Monica's body was

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found in. That was the nice old man.
A poor old guy. And a few months later, on
September 3rd 1960, two 12 year old Barbara Brooder was
abducted. Her body was never found as a
bad joke. Kroll must have been really

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hungry, and while Kroll would confess to killing her, the lack
of evidence resulted in him never actually being charged for
her murder. You know what's crazy?
Is that like? Well, he's very crazy, but the
police force, literally every time there's been a murder, have
said it was a roaming band of kids.
And they never arrested any roaming band of kids.

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They were like, come on, must have been that old dude.
They've literally done the opposite of what they're
supposed to do of what they likesaid it was.
Where's Chuck been, you guys? You didn't hear?
No, he's on the real shit. He's on the hard cases.
Wait, what? What does that mean?
They got him over by the high school doing what?
Staked out undercover hide in the bushes with binoculars

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watching soccer practice. Like Jim.
Like it's like they're arresting.
People. And we got old Joe over there at
the playground, locking as with some kids on the jungle, Jim.
Yeah, he's just sitting there looking at the kids, like
pointing at his eyes, like, I'm watching you and the kids just
like teacher. There's a weird guy in the Bush.
It's. OK, that's the terrible police.

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Soccer. Yeah, they're like.
All right. So our suspect is anywhere
between the age of two years oldto 19.
We got to go everywhere, hit up all the preschools.
We're going to go to elementary school.
Our suspect is anywhere between one and 25 people.

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Yes. We have to get them all.
I'm assuming it's some kind of Voltron situation right before
they kill, but. That's that we're waiting to
see. Yes, we don't have that evidence
yet. So yeah, that that was the
conclusion case situation with Coral's 7th known victim.
Again, we've been hopping through some years here.

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And when he does confess to everything and is starting to
remember stuff and later proves it seems like he was like pretty
consistently active, you know And like that was part of his
psychological profile, which everybody came to was like.
He was, he was super spontaneous.
He was super sporadic. But he had this, this certain

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Genesee qua about the way that he could, like, plan and like,
approach a situation in those like, spontaneous outbursts,
Right. So it'd be like, I'm doing this
today and then he would, like, get it all done that day and
back. I'm going home to eat, you know?
So like, he'd be fine for a little while.
So it's. Yeah, he does not fit the

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profiles. Which again, I think is part of
the reason why so many people have just totally fucking
overlooked him. That, and the story is so
fucking biased and full of holes.
It's a pain in the ass to like, piece together shit that can
actually be cited. But nonetheless, I've got some
more for you. Well, Carl was known for
generally going after young, isolated teenage girls, stalking

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them for hours while waiting forthem to be vulnerable in a
remote area. His fixed, his fits of sexual
obsession did occasionally push him to try something new, break
out of his MO, you know, as was the case with Kroll's only known
male victim, 25 year old Herman Schmutz.

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While parts of this event are, in my mind, kind of awkwardly
funny, it stands out from the rest of his murders because he
made an honest, though wacky attempt.
To finally take initiative on August 22nd, 1965, Kroll found
himself near a lake hiding amongst the bushes deep in the

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forest near Dwysburg. Wausman.
Sorry mom, who's German. He was staring into the windows
of a car parked at a notorious make out spot.
He was growing anxious as he watched Herman Schmutz making
out with his fiancee, Marion Vin, the current focus of his
impulsive obsessions. As time passed, Kroll's

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impatience proved to be a fertile ground for his
imagination. He devised a plan to get Herman
away from Marion so we could finally fulfill his fantasies
with her. It was going to be simple lure
Herman out of the car so we could kill him.
Then strangle and rape married before taking her home for
dinner. Easy.
That was good. That was pretty good.

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I can, I can just see, like, honestly, I can just see him
looking through the window of the car and then a police
officer and the other side of the car on a Bush watching a
watching the children's school just facing the complete other
way and like you can see them sing, being like help, help.
He's like shut up. I'm trying to catch a killer.
God damn it, don't you know I'm on.

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I'm on the clock. Oh man, that fits into them so
well. And everything you guys are
saying just becomes more true asthe script goes on.
Please, anybody, shoot me an e-mail, ask me for citations.
I will give them to you. Well, so with that incredible
plan, super simple plan, which you know the best plans are.

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He was ready. Kroll unfolded his knife as he
slowly approached the car. The couple, still having sex in
the front seat, panicked, as literally anybody would when
they realized there was now a little bald man standing right
next to their window. And this time it wasn't an
alien. Committed to his plan, though.

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Kroll pulled back on his knife and stabbed one of the tires,
fully convinced this would get Herman out of the car.
But Herman. With common sense, those still
half naked quickly started the car and hit the gas heading
towards the closest Rd. Like literally.
Kroll was like If I flatten their tire, they'll get out of
the car. I kill him, I Make Love like.

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Yeah, they're like, he's like, he'll obviously be like, hey,
why'd you stab my tire? Who are you and why?
Would you approach the man with a knife?
Yeah. Well.
As as you would. Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, so they started headingdown the closest Rd.
Unfortunately the road was a dead end.
Great metaphor, forcing Hermit to try and awkwardly make a 12

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point turn. Like that seed in Austin Powers
where he stuck in the hallway with the little this is
horrible. I wish this was an exaggeration,
but turning around took so long that by the time they were
turned around. Initial adrenaline rush was
wearing off and it was at the same time that Kroll was coming

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into view, running up the road towards them, flashing his arms
and wailing, or sorry, running up the road towards them,
flailing his arms in the air like he was the waterboy playing
football. Hallucinating people were
chanting. Water sucks.
It really, really sucks. Like he was just waving his

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little arms in the air with a giant knife, but he was like 6
football fields away from. Them like Kermit the Frog.
Oh my God. I just pictured that guy from a
Sonic the Hedgehog. The bad guy, Dr. Robotnik, Is
that his name? He the bad guy, Just short, fat

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and bald and. This could have easily, Oh my
God. If anybody, if any of our
listeners ever, at any point in time in history get this
reference, please just just message us anywhere and I'll see
it and just say I get your reference.
I'll know what you mean. But this is exactly like a scene
and the new Star Wars game with Rick the door technician, which

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after I had been binge playing it for 12 hours, was one of the
funniest goddamn things I'd everseen in my life.
But. Back to the story, back to the
flailing arms and the knife. So so yeah, somehow this
incredibly strange sight completely broke the tension.
Herman began wondering. Maybe this weird little dude is

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in some kind of trouble, and thecouple had time to and did
discuss this while they sat staring down the long for hold.
Kroll still running towards them, flailing his arms in the
air with a knife. The juxtaposition of the
atmosphere couldn't be more pronounced, couldn't be more
perfect. The the couple calm, rested,

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discussing the scene like they were sitting there at home,
watching television. Kroll out of breath, running in
a tweed jacket, huge glasses sliding off his nose as he
attempts to unleash his inner beast.
Still, hearing water sucks. It really, really sucks.
Water sucks. It really, really sucks.
And by the time Kroll got to them, Herman was waiting,

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patiently confused, outside of the car.
Kroll, having had what must havefelt like an hour to plan his
next move, immediately began stabbing Herman.
I guess, I guess what he did technically worked.
But not in the way he thought. Like, literally.
He got the guy to get out of hiscar.
But I can see them with like a stopwatch just being like, man,

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he's taken for frigging ever. I gotta be at this.
I got time to go pee. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Think I got Yeah, I'm just gonnago.
Pee. He's about a minute away, yeah.
Babe, we still have time to finish, but sorry, bad joke.
But yeah, so seeing this, Marionimmediately got into the
driver's seat and floored it, heading straight towards Kroll,

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who only barely managed to make a safety dive into some bushes
before scurrying away into the woods.
Sorry, Oh my. God.
This Kroll trying to go beast mode after all the images and
what I've seen about him is the funniest goddamn thing on the
planet. But yeah, so Marion though, so
back to the moment, Marion. Bad as as hell.

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Yanked a hair clip off of her head and wedged it into the
car's horn, forcing it to keep going off while she jumped out
of the car and ran towards Herman.
She literally, I think one of the sources I read said like she
made a Mayday signal. Like immediately, just like in
the fucking moment was like, boom.
And so it's like, it's like going off in the middle of the
fucking woods and then hopped out of the fucking car, ran over

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to her her lover, you know? Unfortunately, though, Herman
quickly passed away from his wounds.
And to make things even worse. When Marion gave her witness
statement to police, her description of Kroll was that he
was a dirty, unwashed, crazy little forest man, which is the

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exact opposite of his usual calm, clean, modestly dressed
appearance. Wow.
I shouldn't laugh at this, but it's just Oh my God, just.
Going through all this. Dirty Little Mountain Man.
Just like a dirty, unwashed little man, dirty little forest

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man. Like he'd been in bushes and
shit all day, stalking. And it's like, who is it?
I think it was like September orwhatever.
And so it's like still kind of hot outside.
He's in his little tweed coat, just all fucking, like, hot,
bothered, flustered, ready to kill.
Just. It's been running up a fucking

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Rd. for like what's probably waslike a minute and 1/2 or
something like just that felt like forever, but.
Slow Mo, too, because he's so short.
He like, he's just like, it takes even longer because he's
short. Yeah.
And they're just kind of like, ah man, Oh my God, it's the
worst movie ever. But like, Oh my God.

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Oh God, piercing together. That story was incredible.
Y'all I'm just saying I I fucking love it.
I fucking love it again. You ain't going to get this
whole story in one place, just us.
Y'all. So yeah, the the one time there
was a witness that had escaped, right?
And they got in contact with thepolice and shit.
Completely useless like her description, the behavior, the

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whole process, everything was even if the police.
Didn't automatically assume thatit was like that South American
crypted that came and took that girl's arm or a gang of boys out
like raping people or something.Even if they even if they didn't
assume, and maybe they asked her15 times, Are you sure there was
only one? Are you sure?

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OK, I know stress can do a lot of things to a woman.
You probably weren't thinking straight.
You weren't making the right moves.
You know, like, and you probablydo you need glasses?
Do you need glasses? You don't need glasses.
You should get a check. When's the last time you get a
check? What's your husband?
Oh, shit. Sorry.
Yeah. Were you asking for it?
Were you? You know, like, did you dress
provocatively to this guy? Is that?

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Oh, and she's like, were you? Wearing a Please stab Me shirt.
Please stab me. And she's like, no, it was this
wild, crazy guy and they're justlike, it's crazy.
So, So it was a squad of boys. Squad of boys.
No, it was literally a crazy guy, squad of boys.
Squad of boys, I think. I think she's delusional, She's

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she's got wisteria. Did you kill your?
Husband. Was it you?
Well, he probably just left her.Yeah.
So even if she, you know, like even if they were, if the police
were capable of using common sense e.g. going with a
witness's description, Right. But, you know, we know that gets

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thrown out because it could be evidence even if they did try to
do that. That was like the one time that
Kroll completely stepped out of his comfort zone and just
completely had a different approach, different motive,
different like everything was completely different about him,
right, Besides those 10 little legs.
Well, this brings us now to 1966.

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Kroll has now been killing people for 10 years.
Police have discovered seven of the eight known victims during
this time. So not bad.
And finding people, right? That's also just these numbers
are a little bit skewed, but just bear with me.
So seven of the eight known victims that Coral later had

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time to confess to or confess about.
So how's their investigations going?
Well, they still haven't seen a connection between any of the
murders and are fully convinced that there are multiple skillful
killers in the region. As well as groups of boys really
into gang rape, and that almost every time either one of their

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victims are found, a strange animal has just swooped in and
carefully removed parts of the body.
But as challenging as this grandiose struggle has been for
them, they are convinced they'vebeen arresting the culprits.
Three people have been falsely arrested and convicted, with two
of them eventually committing suicide.

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So out of seven, almost half right of the folks like totally
the wrong. They totally had the wrong
person. It was all bullshit.
There was no evidence, just assumptions.
And you know, and this is, this is something that I love about
their relationship with Kroll, is that both the police and
Kroll, they follow their gut well.

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But with all this work and all their effort and all their
intuition, try as they might, the victims would keep rising
for both murders and legal accusations.
On the 13th of September 1966, Kroll went back to his tried and
true strategy. Sneak, strangle, skeet, ski, do
target this time 20 year old or slow rolling who was walking

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home late at night after spending time with at her
fiance's house? Well.
When a corpse was discovered in bushes 2 days later,
investigators may notice severalkey things.
First, she was stripped from thewaist down and left in a sexual
position. Second, she had been strangled
to death. And 3rd she had no bruising on

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her vagina, which led police to believe that the sex was
consensual. Quote.
The pathologist could find no evidence that she resisted rape.
End Quote Fake quote. I mean come on man, just look at
her and there on the ground, ankles exposed for Jesus and the
world to see. Clearly she was asking for it

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and fake quote. Yeah, it's not like she would
have cooperated in order to saveher own life.
Yeah, no. But.
But in all seriousness, the incompetence of the pathologist
was like about to make things somuch worse.
Like instead of considering or even knowing that bodies don't
bruise. After they die, which might be

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okay for us to not know, but is literally their fucking job as a
professional to know that well, his conclusion that her rape was
consensual became evidence for their new primary suspect, Adolf
Shekel, her fiance last seen in public together getting tea in
town while they were planning their wedding.

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So after deciding to say fuck the lack of evidence.
Fuck the facts and fuck that teadrinking punk.
That's our man. The police swooped in and
detained Shekel. They then kept him in custody
for three weeks while they questioned and interrogated him,

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barely giving him time to sleep.When they did release him, the
very public accusations made by the Police Department caused him
to be driven out of town. Less than four months after
Ursula's death, when this happened, he walked alone to the
nearby Main river and jumped in,committing suicide by letting

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himself drown. Oh.
My God, that's three people already, right?
Yeah, the two hanging and 11 drown.
I'm not gonna lie like this. This is such a pattern in in
krolls like history that I. It was a lot of work just trying

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to figure out, wait was this person's death and like
subsequent like you know false conviction of somebody, like was
was that associated with the suicide or did it just end like
this or how long did the person like the the the literal dumb
luck that Kroll has with. Being in the same area, I mean,

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maybe they went to the same school.
Kroll only went until third grade.
Maybe they also went until thirdgrade, I don't fucking know.
But like the the just the sheer serendipity of like, his luck
going through these murders, right?
It it's it's astonishing. It's very hard to keep track of
how many times, almost the same shit happens over and over
again. The police are acting more like

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fucking serial killers than Kroll is, but that might be a
controversial statement. Well.
During that same time, two months after killing Ursula and
two months before claiming shekel as collateral, Kroll
murdered Yona Hark, A5 year old on December 22nd and an act of
strange foreshadowing, Kroll hadbecome obsessed with seeing what

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someone drowning looked like, sohe convinced a little 5 year old
to basically get on a train withhim and travel 20 miles from her
home. And he drowned her in a ditch
before raping her body and slicing off his favorite cuts of
meat, which he wrapped up and took back home for dinner.
Yeah, he Yikes. I did the foreshadowing there.

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I don't know. He could have just went out to
the main river and just waited to see this.
Future consequences, like, yeah.Yeah, that's that's nuts.
Like this is. And especially this is
different. I feel like it's different too
because he seems like he's getting younger.
You know cuz like he everyone before was at least 12 and
older. So like now.

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Now the last one he killed was five.
I don't know what the other if there's any coming that are
younger if anything but like he's just.
He does gets fascinated, yeah. It's.
I think it's mostly a case of like opportunity, right.
He does tend to go towards younger women and like little

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girls tends to. Right, but that's not always the
gays important. But a lot of them are preteen or
like early teens, yeah. Just seems like he gets
fascinated with somebody he seesthat could be close.
You know, like he's just sittingthere.
It's it's tip. It is typical serial killer
behavior is that he sees something like that he's just

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maybe sitting at a sitting at like a coffee shop or something
just looking and then he just sees like some girl in like a.
Young girl in the white dress, like walk across the street and
he, like, sees it as a sign. That's my next one, you know,
like he just has that. And then he starts getting
fascinated with it and then waits to find the moment to kill
him. That's what it seems like to me.

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Yeah, no, I mean that's that's alegit, that's that's a legit
take on that. It don't want to give away too
much of the plot, but it's he's a very difficult person to pin
down when it comes to motivations.
Like a very, very difficult person to pin down when it comes

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to motivations because he's so in between the line of like,
like being a complete psychopath, right.
But also like having such, like low IQ but not super low IQ.
So that he's functional, but he's also not functional, but
he's also managing impulses and he's also managing social

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expectations, but he's also antisocial and it's like.
Like, because a lot of this later just has to come from like
his own mouth and his own words and descriptions for why he
would do certain things. And it's a lot of statements
like to save money on groceries,you know.

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And so it's like, it's hard. It's yeah, I don't know.
It's fascinating, but it's it's a character.
Ain't no one like yokum. Cruel, Thank God.
Well, Kroll never admitted to any murders between confessing
about Yona in 1966, his 10th victim, and his 11th victim,
Maria Hetigan in 1969, a 60 yearone year old woman left raped

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and strangled. There's a lot of evidence and
tendencies pointing to him having remained active, but
we'll get a more into that later.
Well after Maria, his 12th knownvictim was a 13 year old.
Yuda Ron in May of 1970, who wasstrangled and raped while she
was trying to walk home from a train station.

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Her murder would eventually result in yet another arrest.
Peter Shea, who after having been a suspect, spent six years
as a social pariah hounded by his hateful neighbors and
community until finally he folded, he gave in and he went
and turned himself in to the police.

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In 1976, so yeah, somebody that was 100% completely innocent was
getting like just hated on so fucking terribly.
They managed to hold out for sixyears.
They literally went and confessed knowing that it wasn't
them and that went they weren't a serial.

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You know, like confessor like the other guy.
But if it gives you an idea of like.
You know, like the the guy like our boy auto from like earlier,
right? He it drove him to the point of
committing suicide, like the hatred he was getting in the
community. This just happened with the with
the other victims. There's so fucking many with

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like, her fiance after he got released from being questioned
and interrogated for three weeksnonstop, right?
Yeah, there, there's a lot of collateral.
Like lives that were lost duringKroll's like career, his
rampage, that I really do feel like needed to be added to the

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deaths that he caused, right? Oh yeah, but yeah.
I mean it's it's like a I guess he's in a way being like an
atomic bomb, like he's getting dropped on this area and the
first deaths he's causing is like the first blast and then
later his blast radiation is just hitting other people that
are involved in these things like the.

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The fiance that like who would right after your fiance gets
murdered. Who in their right mind would
like not go crazy if if they like literally right after that
they get taken in for three weeks straight of questioning of
being like you're the murderer we know you're the murderer.
You did it and then you become apariah.

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Everybody thinks you did it and then so you're just like, well,
like I lost my the love of my life, you know, at that time
and. You pretty much lose your world,
you know, You literally lose your world because you lose your
status. You probably can't get hired
anywhere. So yeah, and this is probably,
and this is Poland. In this time, this Germany is.

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Poor. Oh, he's actually in Germany.
Yeah. They're in West Germany, Okay.
They're in Soviet Union, though.No, they're in the Soviet Union.
Technically. They're in West Germany.
That's Okay. Then.
Then they're in the Allied side of it.
Okay. Cool.
I did want to ask that to you. Yeah, yeah.
I don't know. It's the fact that they moved
there because, you know, spoiler, like I've been saying

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the whole time, he does get arrested eventually.
It's very beneficial that they, you know, outlaw the death
penalty in West Germany. But yeah, yeah, definitely.
Those are tactics like deprivingthem of sleep and food and
things like that, that like Colts do in order to like
brainwash people and it like, you know, having be like

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interrogations for hours and hours like.
You could convince someone that they did it, Yeah, you know.
Yeah, yeah. Mentally, I definitely could do
that. Yeah, And it's.
I don't know if all the like good interrogators in Germany,
you know, we're now living in Argentina or like or what

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happened. But this isn't even.
Probably at the Nuremberg trials.
Yeah, this. Isn't even like the the B team.
Of like police and interrogators.
This is like the CD substitute team of police and interrogators
and Kroll. So I do.
I'm actually going to take this mode to bring something up.
One of the things that police use constantly when they're

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telling their side of the story,their side of this whole
situation, that the folks that were there at that time that,
you know, pointed their fingers at the wrong person or you know,
had their hunch and. They were saying they couldn't
tie any of this together becausehe was active over such a large
area. The area was 20 miles high by

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about 50 miles wide. This was, that is a complete
fucking fallacy. It is a complete fallacy.
This is this is the 60s and saidthey had cars.
They had they they have trains over there.
We haven't even got trains here.They have fucking trains.
Right. They had freeways.
They started freeways. Yeah, you know, and like it was,

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you know, they were in Western Germany, right.
Which means they were very like exposed to well, like Western
news, western information, Western science, Western
progress around like criminal psychology and serial killers
all the fucking rage. Like this is not they play the

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pity party. And act like how could we have
possibly known? But their conclusions speak for
themselves. I'm fucking sorry.
But like the amount of times that they literally say gang
raped by a group of boys as the conclusion for some shit while
the same pieces of somebody's body, of the victim's bodies are

(55:09):
constantly being removed in a surgical manner and they're just
like, I don't know what the fuckcould have done that It was a.
It was a chupa dupa. You know, like, it's it's
fucking absurd. It's it's really fucking absurd.
It pisses me off. But yeah, so it.
Was a W German Butt Nuzzler. I told you about them.
You didn't believe me. Yep, you did.
You did. Yeah.

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So that that person, Peter Shea,he'd been dealing with so much
pressure for six. Years after the police made him
a suspect, right? And obviously it's and then
dropped him being a suspect, it lived on the the the karma that
the police brought and left on his doorstep stayed there and he
eventually just fucking turned himself in, right?

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Well yeah, and this is all within the same year that Kroll
strangled and raped 10 year old Karen Sofair.
And that brings us to Kroll's final murder.
But not the climax of the episode.
No, no, no. If I've learned one thing from
Kroll, it's that when you climax, you need to make a big
inhuman too much for any one person to possibly deliver.

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This might be one of the most onbrand arrests I've ever heard
of, rivaling even Richard Ramirez getting beat down by the
neighborhood that he terrorized something so expected yet so
beautifully ironic. And I mean that.
Word properly. Like when BTK was like, hey, if

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I send you guys a floppy disk, you guys can't trace me, right?
And we're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Tracing that floppy disk, girl. Yeah, we got you.
And then they obviously traced him.
They're just, like, looking at each other, like, this guy's
serious. Like, is he?

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It's. Just this is, this is, it's like
this whole time we've just been reading the storyline of two
people on their 20 years, 21 years before they met, and then
we find out they were just perfect soul mates.

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That's that's what's happening right now.
And and it all came down. Their first date really was on
July 3rd, 1976. 4 year old Marian Ketter, the daughter of a
nearby family, was lured into Kroll's house with the promise
of chocolates. A life is worth a box of
chocolates. Well, this wasn't necessarily

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suspicious though. As I said at the beginning, to
the kids in his community he wasknown as Uncle Yoakam publicly.
Uncle Yoakam was a quiet, nice man that everyone knew had a low
IQ. It was accepted that he just
felt more comfortable talking tolittle kids.
Having left school in 3rd grade,he had a lot to relate to him

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about. And as far as going to his
apartment, well, it was full of dolls.
Kids would regularly come over and hang out while playing with
them right? And they even the the people
that were in charge of kind of setting the rules for this house
that had apartments in it it slash it was slightly shared
living. They made the exception for
Uncle Yoko. Right.

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Kids would go in, come out, you know, but they would actually
come out, you know? It was a normal thing, but
privately, Yokum Kroll also played with the dolls, but when
he was alone, he would practice strangling on the dolls with one
of his hands while he violently masturbated with the other.
He also had a special collectionof dolls, very well used

(58:49):
inflatable sex dolls, but we canall assume what he practice on
those. Dancing.
At least that's what a former boarding home roommate told
police later. But anyways, Kroll didn't
practice on a dowel that eveningand when he was done.
When he was done, he picked out his favorite cuts and stored

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them in the fridge. A day or so would pass, and
Kroll would make an odd comment to a neighbor as he as they pass
in the hallway at this house. Something to the tune of.
And don't try to use the toilet down the hall.
It's plugged up with guts. Thinking it was a joke, the
neighbor went anyways after nearly vomiting.

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When he lifted the lid, he ran outside into the street.
Police helicopters and small teams of parents were going door
to door looking for Marion. He grabbed an officer's arm and
started screaming. There's blood and guts in the
toilet upstairs. I think my neighbor put him in
there. Their response was more or less

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calm down. You're not making any sense.
Do you know where Marion is? Wow, yeah.
She's in the fucking toilet. They fucking that.
The police quotes from this are just like he wasn't making any
goddamn sense. They're doing the same thing we
talked about earlier. They're sitting like looking the

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other way while they're trying to.
This is so incredible. But it gets better.
It it's going to keep going. But yeah, the the man kept
insisting. And somehow, literally, God only
knows, he finally convinced the police to follow him up and look
in the toilet. Seriously.

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That is a miracle. That is a documented miracle.
Okay. I will say that I'm a fucking
atheist. I'm just calling that a miracle.
All right, well. Horrified by the side of a
toilet filled with blood and intestines, they still weren't
sure what they where they could have came from.
Sam, someone had a huge bowel movement.

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So they got a plumber to come inand together, rip the toilet
from the ground, and tried to pour the contents into a bucket.
Have you ever tried to skillfully pour a large bowl of
liquid into a glass or like a smaller container?
Yeah, so they spilled her guts all over the floor and
everywhere, and then just manhandled them while they were

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putting them into a fucking. It was already in a bucket.
It was in that goddamn toy. You know what's funny is that
the, the plumber comes in and he's just like, they're just
like we need to find out what this is.
The plumbers, like, those are somebody's guts.
Somebody was murdered and they put their guts in there.
They're like, but we really haveto look at it and the plumbers
like. It's someone's guts.
This is probably the person you're looking for and.

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He's like anyway, have you seen Marion?
Look, Joe. You look a little hungry.
You look a little tired. Were you out late last night?
Did you happen to grab a small girl named Mario?
We got our boys. We got.
Our boy, we got him the plumber.It was the plumber and it makes
and it makes sense because he put it in the toilet.
Yeah. He obviously put this here to

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distract us from her being locked up at his house.
We have to go find his address well.
We got to get her. Well, yeah, so.
So they'd spilled the shit fucking everywhere all over this
bathroom. The guts were there again.
Why did they need a bucket? A toilet is literally a bucket.
It was already there. They didn't need to do that.

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They just straight up didn't need to do that.
But anyways. Well, they didn't have to remove
the toilet. They could have, just like with
gloves, like tots. Yeah, they could have dug it
out. Into a bucket.
So many things, so many things. But like, you know, they were
distracted. They were thinking about these
roving bands of boys gang rapingpeople.
And every moment they were sitting there where it obviously

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wasn't the little girl they werelooking for because those are
guts. That's not a little girl.
It's a moment that she might be a victim of this group of boys,
so. I mean, you know, the police
officers were like, elbowing each other, being like, yeah,
you should have seen what I put in my toilet the other day.
God damn it. Well, probably What was about

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that point just after they completely, completely fucked up
the crime scene. I want to throw that out there
too. And and poured this little
girl's guts and intestines all over the floor and fucked up the
house's bathroom. It was around that point that
the officers finally agreed to go with the neighbor to Kroll's

(01:03:30):
apartment, literally like 2 doors away.
It's right the fuck there. They're on the third floor.
He lives on the 3rd. It's right the fuck there.
And they were like, yeah, we're going to have to bring in a
professional to look at these guts before we go talk to him.
Like, what the. Anyways, when they got there he
was cooking Kroll and when they asked if he knew about Mary and

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he said no. When they asked to come in, he
nodded his head yes and pointed to the fridge.
Oh my gosh, they opened it. Marion's head was on the bottom
shelf, eyes open, staring directly at them.
When the 20 year veteran officerwho saw this first finally

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recovered from almost fainting, he checked what was on the
stove. It was a Stew.
Peas, carrots and Marion's hand floating in the center.
By the time they had gotten Kroll outside and on the stoop

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of the house neighbors were gathering, it was said that the
men in the group were making lynching motions with their
hands. I was fucking waiting to get to
him, the police asked Kroll. Do you want us to take you into

(01:05:00):
custody? I wish I was making this up
literally like they literally fucking God.
They went in there and did like a South Park police thing and
they like open the door, saw thehit, saw the hands and we're
just like. It looks all good here.

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It's nothing, just hand soup. Nothing go out in here.
Damn, I guess we'll never find her.
God damn it, I already told thisman that keeps bothering us.
We're looking for a girl, not intestines.
Not a head. This is this is literally.
It's your kids replica of Marion's head, but.
We can't be. Wasting our time with special.

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We all love her, OK? We all know she was a beautiful
young girl, but like, what does this happen?
Doesn't have a bust of her in their house.
I I don't have. Time for side quests.
So they fucking asked him. Even Kroll was intelligent

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enough to realize I should go with you right now.
Oh yeah, as a mob of people wereliterally making lynching
motions at him and women were screaming and kids were crying
and the neighborhood was like, what the fuck cuz obviously that
neighbor who had been like. You know, spoon feeding the
police along the whole goddamn time ran the fuck out of the

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house again. It was like we found her kind
of, you know, like, you know, everybody knew at that point.
Well, yeah. So they regretfully placed him
under arrest. A lot of shit was said and a lot
of actions show it that the police were in complete denial

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about it being cruel. So all that is very, very on
brand. And like I said, two star
crossed lovers. They were going to meet
eventually. This was the fucking moment.
Like the soul mates came together and I thought that was
beautiful. I did also promise irony and it
took me a while to realize this.It comes in the form of the

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toilet. The clogged toilet.
Carl had been making a living for years as a laboratory
intendant. He literally cleaned bathrooms
and toilets for a living. Wow, he didn't clean this one
too good. But like, of all the fucking

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things that he's done and all the times, it's just been like
literally do, do, do, stab, stab, come take a steak run
away. Just little did I and it just
forgets that he does shit right.You know, this is the one thing
that he did. Very well and was a professional
at he fucking handle it in his own house.

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It is communal bathroom but again.
After a couple of PAL drivers into the toilet bowl, he was
like, well, shit. That'll do, but.
I'll just tell him that. I have hemorrhoids.
It was the burritos. He he did there, there's
conflicting reports about like neighbors saying that the pipes

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and the toiletry was like stinking for a couple weeks.
And there's reports that he at first tried to lie and say that
it was rabbit guts because it was a small little girl.
The intestines were smaller, butalso that not that fucking
small. It's a. 4 foot tall.
Fucking rabbit. Oh my God.

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But yeah, so, so a couple of things here though, like that,
that are so important that happened.
First, how he gets caught to me just kind of seals the deal.
It it shows it about like how much thought he had been putting
into this the whole goddamn time, right?

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Even if he was getting lazy along the way.
This is a very high level of laziness.
Like, he didn't even go back to unclog the fucking toilet.
He was making dinner. Like it was not a priority.
Like he could have just not toldthe neighbor and the neighbor
would have been like, Oh my God,who put this here?
You know, he. Yeah, none of that.

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And this also proves something else.
Kroll never watch television. Never listened to the radio
unless it was, you know, dance class night.
And so he never heard the news. He had no idea for 21 years

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about the searches for missing people.
About the bodies that were beingfound that were his victims in
no, he didn't know, like how, like nicknames were puppet.
None of that. He was not chasing any
notoriety. He didn't want to live on an
infamy like nothing, like nothing like that at all.
He had no goddamn clue that there was a massive police

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search outside of his house. Straight up.
Didn't know. Totally oblivious right again.
Now they're check the box that you added to the side of what
you know, profiles for serial killers.
Where the fuck is this dude at? In the process, right in the in
the patterns now. Is it Leslie Nielsen from

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Nielsen? Leslie Nielsen Nielsen?
Yeah. This next guy is literally
Leslie Nielsen. Detective Max Reese, when the
Police Department finally concluded that they were
handling a murder because it took them a while once Crowe got
down to the station. They switched apartments from

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the the beat cops that were kindof searching for shit to like
the specialist to the investigators to the head of
interrogations and questioning. Right.
Leslie Nielsen? Max Reese.
Well, when we began interrogating him, at first
Kroll wasn't saying the goddamn thing.
He wasn't saying anything to to investigate it.

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Reese super tight lipped. Actually, he was.
Basically acting like he always acted all the time around
adults, and literally everybody in the neighborhood knew that.
He doesn't say anything to adults.
He feels uncomfortable around adults.
Maybe that has something to do with his childhood.
And so hours went by and it finally dawned on on Reese.

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Maybe I should start asking him about his hobbies.
And so they spent about 8:00 or 9 hours just talking about
hobbies and talking about life. And turns out they had a lot in
common. They do a lot of the same shit.
And that was nice. And the relationship started to
change. Kroll, at least according to the
investigator, he'd say later, he's like, I could see it shift.

(01:11:57):
It was like I saw for the first time, like I saw in Kroll, that
it was the first time in his life somebody was listening to
him. Right.
Somebody was actually fucking listening to him.
They weren't making fun of him. They weren't treating him
differently. All this other shit.
They were just listening to him,right.
Great interrogation moves. This is.
This is fine. This is that's.

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Starting out great. He's starting out great so far.
Starting out, starting out. Great.
And then he gets, yeah, you know, they they tend to make
things big here at this Police Department.
So this is where it goes a little off the rails.
They're asking Kroll and you know, did you do anything to

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Marion? He's like, no, I didn't do
anything to Marion. They're like, well, did you do
anything to Marion? And they're like, no.
Then he starts to admit that he may have done something to
Marion. And in what I literally don't
think is a move in reverse psychology, they start talking
to him and treating him like he's been set up for this.

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The police literally start treating Kroll.
Who's just been pulled out of their house with the missing
person's head and was cooking their hand and there were guts
in the toilet that he said were in the toilet.
They literally start to summarize all their shit into

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what I think it's a little bit more funny and not as like a
bunch of little random points oflike pressure.
I really would just, I have to put it like this.
He's Luke crew. We know you were set up.
We know you didn't do it. And we're not here to pressure
you. We know the guys behind this are
smart, real tough cookies. And we know you aren't capable

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of doing something like this. So just tell us.
Put you up to it. Who made you do it sooner?
You let us know sooner, we can protect you from him.
Look, we've all been living in fear.
I'm just trying to get you out well.
Anyways, Kroll kept confessing like the police gave Kroll a way

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out of the situation. And sorry this if I'm
butchering. There was a lot that goes into
this moment, but there was pure cognitive dissonance happening
at the police force. They have spent years thinking
it was gangs of boys doing shit,that it was all this other
stuff. Some of them like they're all
still holding on to those beliefs, but this is matching

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the pattern of these super intense, highly intelligent
serial killers that they've beendoing such a great job capturing
but keep flooding into the neighborhood right?
They hadn't connected it to other to other murders yet, and
they just don't want to admit that somebody of Kroll's
demeanor and intelligence has outsmarted them even once.

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Right, because all they want is grandiose plans.
They want to be super cops. And so for two weeks, for up to
9 hours a day, Coral was being interrogated and public
prosecutor would later say that he gets breaks whenever he
wants. Also, he's given his favorite
food. Potato pancakes.

(01:15:17):
Yeah. So also.
Potato pancakes? Wait, wait.
Wait, he's given his favorite food, potato pancakes and turnip
greens made by an officer's wife.
Also, the guards in him regularly get together in his
cell at Kroll's request to play a card game called Scat in his
cell. Nobody's taking him seriously.

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No, all the time in between him actually being interrogated
where like, at first he kind of was like, I didn't do it, and
then he was like. I did it.
And they were like, look, we know you didn't do it.
He's like, no, I did it. And they were like, no, there's
no possible way. And we were just fucking with
you earlier. And he's like, no, I I did it.
I killed her. I ate her.
I save money on groceries, you know, like he just can't fucking

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see it. And they were like, oh, no, stop
it, stop it. What did we what did we start?
Oh, God, we brainwashed him, youknow?
Yeah, yeah. Unlike the other people, unlike
the other people that they admitted to doing these murders
or putting them in that you knowlike the other victims or that
because those people that. You know, said that they killed
them, but really actually didn't.
Are also victims of this too, because they're part of the

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game, which is the bad, which isa horrible thing.
And I think, I think Reese end. Up killing.
Themselves. Reese, you know who is spent
however many of the past 20 years convinced that he's been
dealing with the most cunning, sinister, evil genius killers in
the world and like, getting themto crack, You know, he might
have walked out of the room and just be like, oh fuck, I'm too

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powerful to talk to a normal mind anymore.
Yeah, my power of suggestion is incredible.
Leslie. Blowjob.
Wait, why'd you throw that at me?
What? Damn it.
Damn it. She's smart too.
Like. It only it only works on men.
It only works on men, obviously,but I'm like, so so yeah, this

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moron keeps it going, keeps it and like it's trying to get him
to deny. Eventually they start listening
to him. And so they're like, OK, we get
it. You did.
You did Marian. And he's like, and I also killed
someone else. And they're like, well, who did
you kill? And he's like, I I have a really
bad memory. But I did kill a girl over here

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on this day a few years ago. I think it was this month.
And they were like, OK, that it out.
Over the course of time, folks start putting the pieces
together. Fucking finally.
And they were like, there was a murder over there.
There was a blah, blah, blah blah blah.
We never caught the person for that.

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We never blah blah blah for thatone either.
How did he know this and that about it?
And so they start taking notes. Eventually, a new routine forms
right Every time that he would admit or confess to a murder,
the police and Kroll would get into a car.

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And they would drive him out to the general area, let him get
out, and let him guide them to the exact spot where the body
was. And he had a pretty damn good
memory of like, OK, it was by this tree and it was this Bush,
but that was smaller than and dada da, da, da.
And he would piece it all together and they would get
there. And then a new step was added,

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which was reenacting his murders.
Multiple female police officers.Which at this point, we're kind
of excited. The general police force was
getting excited. We're volunteering to play his
victim right while he was surrounded by cops.
And he was doing it and he was showing him.

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And then I took her hand and then I thought it out, and then
I stabbed her in the neck. And then I blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah. And like acted everything out.
And the investigators, some of whom had been there for these,
like moments of discovery of these bodies and stuff in the
past, we're like, how the fuck did he know that?
Wait, no blah blah. They started giving him credit
for this and they started being like, oh shit, like he is the

(01:19:11):
one that did this. He like we never released this
shit, which I also like to thinkthat's them saving their ass.
I like to when Kroll was like and then I put the hand over
here and he's like, fuck, I forgot to write that down, you
know, like he was trying to update his notes on the hood of
the card. It's like, no, I need a pencil.
It's great, damn it. I got to make the ink match, you

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know, it's just like old ass reports.
I can see him being like, just looking at the what is it a
Kroll looking at him be like actually, guys, I'm a method
actor. So I really think she needs to
be dead. And the girls just like, well,
you know, we got to figure out this.
We got to make sure he's guilty.We got yeah, the other cops
like, I got a knife. I got some handcuffs.

(01:19:52):
Yeah. Will that do?
Will that do? Just me.
I don't we used to date. She's already didn't said.
Yes, she's already didn't said. It's like I actually killed her
with. I didn't use a knife this time.
It's like I used I used wire cutters I.
Used your handgun. I used your handgun And then
it's like, oh, and he's just like, oh, a handgun.

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We need an electrician to come. Out need an electrician?
Yeah, yeah. And they're like build sets for
him. So yeah, like there was a, there
was a trust process that was built up, right.
Frankly, you know, Kroll was on board to like trust them way
sooner than they were. And they were also, it now
became a novelty right? To them.

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The reality of what Kroll was going to do and what he was
starting to say hadn't sunk in yet.
First, they were excited. Look at this idiot that's doing
this and like blah blah blah blah blah and so on and so
forth. They're like, shit, he is right,
Maybe some kind of savant or something, You know, like
they're fucking more that the proof is in their.
The the charges and suspects that they've had this entire

(01:20:59):
time, they're fucking idiots. All right, well, so yeah, At
first, Kroll's confessions were welcomed and encouraged, quickly
becoming a routine for both the police and the local press.
Once they arrived near the area of a past murder, Kroll would
carefully walk through his memories, leading them from tree
to Bush to where he left the body.

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His memory refreshed, he would proceed to reenact the killing
with a volunteer officer, like Isaid.
And by the time they'd leave, Kroll would have not only walked
them through each of his steps, but also revealed details that
were never released to the public that they had documented.
They had the court transcripts. Everybody was There were teams
coming out there with him that were like, okay, we're checking

(01:21:43):
like, no, this is legit, right? I felt very confident.
This guy's this guy really did it.
Well, during Kroll's dramatic reenactments, not too close but
not too far away set members of the press poorly camouflaged as
they hid behind trees and bushes.
As goofy as that is, honestly, how could they resist?

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I mean, these photos always paired so well with the press
updates being released by the Police Department nearly every
day. Things like progress in their
interrogation with Kroll. What Kroll admitted to doing to
his victims, and last but not least, cold cases.
He was confessing and proving his guilt for this became a

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fucking media circus and the Police Department encouraged it
and provided all the fucking fodder for photos were every
fucking tabloid. And now that you know the shit
was spreading into Germany at this point as a whole.
Like. The photos of him saying he did
a killing, did a murder or whatever were being paired up
with him literally with a body on the ground.

(01:22:53):
It was an actor. It was a police officer, a body
on the ground. And him re like, you know, going
through the fucking motions. It looks like it was dead
bodies. It looks like this.
It looks like that. You couldn't get more like a PG
version of a murder scene, you know, possible.
It's perfect. Like, they're going to eat that
this. Was ID discovery?
You know, this is ID discovery. Like, they're just like, sweet,

(01:23:14):
sweet. I can only imagine, though, how
funny it was to see him reenact the one murder of the fiance,
the guy in the car. And they're like, no, no, no.
How far away were you? And then he was like.
And they're just watching him run this way.
And they're like, actually, I didn't get the full timing.
Could you go back and run again?Fast Gump?

(01:23:35):
Yeah, we got to do it. Yep.
And I was. Running.
And then I ran and I don't even know how long God kept running.
About how far for you, I don't know, maybe 6 football fields.
Well, go back that far way. Down daytime when I started and
when I got there. It was another daytime.

(01:23:57):
Well so so people they they obviously couldn't get enough
cruel like you can't get enough of this this is this is insane
Like what is going on right now is I mean like we're all
listening to this episode in this episode right now like this
shit's fascinating right If you're getting fucking real time
updates of a serial killer's confession like bro like.

(01:24:19):
Yeah, you can't beat that as news.
Oh hell no. And so, yeah, Well, well, while
most folks were just finding it fascinating, right, and couldn't
look away, right. Others like the families,
friends and communities who had been left with only a cold case
after losing a loved one, they were finally finding closure.

(01:24:39):
So again, you know, early on I mentioned that, like, the police
were like, you know, kind of like doing Okish with finding
all the bodies. They didn't find all the bodies
and they didn't always like, youknow.
Basically put some random motherfucker in jail.
Sometimes they just didn't solvethem.
So a lot of these families and stuff out there again over 20

(01:25:01):
years, 21 years, they were like,Oh my God, we know who did it
now, right? They finally were getting some
closure and he's already in police custody and it started
da, da, da, like, thank God, like, you know, the sense of
relief. Yeah.
But the news of which of, of these folks, these families,
communities, friends like finding closure?
It started to quickly spread, and it turned into hope for

(01:25:24):
others. People were now waiting to see
the name of the person they'd lost, right?
They wanted to see it popping upin the tabloids now.
It wasn't just like shit that happened.
I hadn't heard about that yet. It was like.
I hope Jenny shows up in this. I hope blah blah, blah shows up
like people's emotions are getting tied and it's it's all

(01:25:45):
over the place. But nearly everybody is is
morbidly fascinated or emotionally invested in this,
right? It's huge.
Yeah. And during this time, you know
what I would call the the honeymoon phase between the
police, the public and Kroll? The Chief Inspector of the
Dreisberg Homicide Commission, Manfred Kalcek, stated something

(01:26:08):
really interesting. I felt inspired to expose Kroll
as a serial killer for as many murder cases as possible that
had been unsolved for decades inNorth Rhine was Tophalia totally
butchered. That last part?
Essentially, early on, the chieffucking Inspector of all this

(01:26:28):
shit is just like. Let him keep fucking talking.
Let him admit to fucking everything.
We will drive him out there every day like this is great
publicity for us, but also like finally all these fucking cases
are getting closed. Everybody loves Kroll right
around the same time when the public prosecutor was asked by

(01:26:50):
the press if this was fair or, Idon't know, legal to do to Kroll
the the public prosecutor whose job it is to charge him with
these crimes. A man now widely known to have a
below average IQ. That's another one on the board
who hasn't officially been convicted for anything yet.

(01:27:13):
Not for lack of him trying, but because he still hasn't stepped
foot into a courtroom, just weeks and weeks and weeks of
police interrogation. He's just being detained.
He's been charged with shit. He hasn't gone to court like
nothing has fucking happened. This is just a straight up
interrogation. Well, when the public prosecutor

(01:27:34):
Bernard Chemish was confronted with that question, he said
quote crow was given free reign that if he's willing to confess
he's not question. And that interrogators in no way
fausted knowledge of the files on him or elicited confessions
through jova dealings, assurances and favors.

(01:27:57):
You know, like his favorite foodbeing cooked for him by leather
officers, wives, Or you know, there was a lot of cake eating.
Too call whoever. Taking breaks whenever.
You slip into his into his cell.Yeah.
I think one of my murders was inMaui, all the police like.

(01:28:21):
All right boys, we're going to Maui.
Balloons popped like we totally didn't put them on to this.
I'm like, yeah, y'all are real nice.
Well, so the winning name of Kroll's cold case lottery
continued to be announced daily,fully backed and supported by
the Police Department, public prosecutor, the press, the

(01:28:42):
public. And even Yokum Kroll himself,
everybody's on board with this. Everyone was on the record as
being happy, excited, attentive to all this going on.
And they were, until Kroll started confessing for murders
the police had already solved there, you know.

(01:29:05):
Like maybe the cases where the police publicly announced the
victim's boyfriend as their mainsuspect, eventually driving the
boyfriend to commit suicide out out of guilt like everyone
assumed, but as a result of police confidence encouraging
the community to torment and abandon him only days after his
girlfriend was brutally murdered.
Yep. That, you know, might come back

(01:29:26):
to bite him in the ass. Or.
Or maybe it was the case where with little to no evidence, the
public prosecutor managed to convince the judge with
feelings, not facts, and get thescumbag accused of murder off
the streets for at least a little while.
The same scumbag who, after finishing his short sentence

(01:29:46):
because they couldn't pin him with anything.
Was released back onto the streets, into a community of
people who now hated him, refused to allow him into their
stores and restaurants, allowed groups of teenage boys, actual
groups of teenage boys, to terrorize him, and ultimately
drove him to take a walk right into the same force the girl
everyone thought he killed was found.

(01:30:08):
And then, you know, hang himselfright in that exact same area
again. All this being painted at the
time of Wow. He must have felt so fucking
guilty, and I'm glad he's gone. Everybody felt so fucking
confident in these nimbinsalls that were in doing the shittiest

(01:30:29):
police work in history. Everybody was geared up against
whoever the fuck they claim did whatever.
So now that Kroll is starting toconfess these things, and he
happens to know more informationabout shit that happened than
the people who've had 20 something years to look into it,

(01:30:49):
Yeah, that. The tune changes the tone, that
the vibe, the the love of Kroll,that the fans kind of died down.
And with each of Kroll's confessions, it somehow manages
to not apply to him, but become everyone else's guilt.
I feel like it's safe to make some assumptions as to why the
police, public prosecutor, and even the city's judge all

(01:31:11):
started to change the prioritieswith him.
At this point, to quote the judge, the public's need for
information has been satisfied. Now the constitutional law for
the protection of Crow's personality has priority.
And shortly after making this statement, case in point, all
briefings and updates to the press suddenly ended Crow's

(01:31:31):
lawyer. Who'd been blocked at every
attempt to protect his client's rights, was now magically
granted privacy protections. The kind of protections that, I
don't know, might block the press from taking highly
incriminating, like photos of Kroll as he's cooperating with
investigators. Then psychological evaluations

(01:31:55):
came in, and when their results finally started to come in and
get multiple tests that were being done here.
Started to put into question whether or not Kroll was even
legally allowed to go on trial. There, that's the big one.
Yeah, but oh, he's just crazy. Guess what?
The shit keeps getting better, but their sudden stonewalling

(01:32:18):
didn't stop the inquiries. Obviously, not everybody gave a
fuck about the police looking bad or the community feeling bad
for itself for being terrorizingfucking assholes.
And trusting a bunch of morons. Some folks, Lots of folks.
Because so many fucking people had been killed, right?

(01:32:39):
Not just the 14 that are being laid out here.
They had families. They had loved ones.
People were lost, right? These are tight communities.
Well, encouraged by them, press reached out, asking officials
why there were no more updates coming from Kroll's Confessions.
The public prosecutor. Bernard Schemich can never say
that, Right responded by saying they are taking steps, quote, so

(01:33:02):
as not to be suspected of being keen on publicity with half
information. He was giving the most
information. That's all they fucking do with
this goddamn Police Department is fuck people's lives up.
Sometimes not even with that, sometimes with none.
And like Keen for publicity, so.Yeah, and so not long after

(01:33:24):
declaring that they want to be respected as professionals
dedicated to truth, justice, andmore importantly, Kroll's basic
legal rights, they also suddenlyended the daily police rides to
old crime scenes, stopped askingKroll to give them reenactments,
and finally stopped interrogations altogether.

(01:33:47):
Quick number breakdown here to bring all this together real
quick. Kroll told them that he thinks
he might have killed between 20 to 30 people during the
interrogations. He was able to remember with
their help during interrogationsand then confess and show them
how he did it or not for all these.

(01:34:08):
But he he confessed to 14 people, 14 people, 14 dates, 14
general locations. They hadn't got to go out to all
those, yet the police at this point had only confirmed 11.
And only got enough evidence from these 11 to charge him with
eight murders and one attempted murder.
So when the police decided to call it quits and shut

(01:34:32):
everything down, they'd only covered 8 out of potentially 30
murders. I want to bring it back to that
quote real quick about from the fucking chief homicide
investigator saying as long as he keeps confessing and telling
him I want to encourage it, I want this, I want that.
Everybody was on fucking board until the news came out.

(01:34:55):
Oh, we fucked up. Oh, another one that we fucked
up on. Oh shit.
Oh shit. And people started covering
their asses. So to make everything worse, the
11:00 that they did confirm cleared the names of five
innocent people. Almost half.
Their fucking accusations. The suspects that they brought
in charged, got convicted and fucked up their lives, three of

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which had committed suicide. Most served time in jail.
All of them had their lives ruined, almost half of the cases
false convictions or drove people to kill himself.
But even still, when the press confronted the public prosecutor
with these numbers later on, he said quote to comment
specifically on 11 cases is already the whole lot.
What the fuck? Yes, what?

(01:35:39):
The God damn fuck. Which is why I said the climax
was after his arrest. This is this case, this history.
Like like I had no idea going into it.
Like the actual plot. I I had assumed it was tracking
his murders, going through everything, but holy fucking

(01:36:02):
shit. Like it's all Forest, Gump.
It's Forest and the guns. It is.
It is. But it literally.
Yeah, this is this isn't that. He he basically crawled.
Was not only getting dinner every time, but he was getting 2
for once. Like almost every fucking time
he killed somebody, somebody else's life was ruined.

(01:36:24):
Or it somehow resulted in their death.
Either socially they died, emotionally, mentally,
spiritually, whatever, or physically they fucking died.
The whole goddamn time and the whole goddamn time.
They had no fucking real evidence.
They had assumptions. They had hunches.
Like I said, both Kroll and the police meant to be, meant to be.

(01:36:45):
They both follow their gut now, just kind of wrap things up.
And then we got that out of the way.
Once Kroll did actually go to court, which was a while later,
I think it was around a year anda half after they kind of shut
everything down. He kept bringing up in the
courtroom and he honestly thought this, that they would be

(01:37:07):
able to do a procedure on him that would end his urges to
murder, rape, and eat humans. He literally thought he was
going home after all this. Well, again, he was ultimately
charged with eight counts of murder 1 attempted murder.
Because you know that. That one lady was a fucking
badass. The one that shoved her her hair

(01:37:28):
pin like in the horn and everything like that and
definitely fucking attempted murder there.
And I think there actually was one other case, but she also
gave a terrible explanation or description of them to police.
Anyways, yeah so the trial started October 4th, 1979 and
ended on April 8th 1982. In total they were in court for

(01:37:50):
151 days. He was sentenced to serve 9
consecutive life sentences. Because there's no death penalty
at the time in West Germany, benefit from moving there again.
He got he had the one last Gump move, man.
He had that one. I don't know how I got here, but
they were really mad, you know. And he died from a heart attack

(01:38:10):
on July 1st, 1991, the age of 58, to which the chief
investigator and interrogator said, I felt like that was a
little bit too soon. They did.
They never dropped their fuckingego about these cases.
And that's what made the script and like researching this so

(01:38:30):
fucking difficult, yet so fascinating and like kept me so
addicted to looking into it was I started noticing just like
brief little sentences from thisinvestigator on this article.
And they were like, well, you know, the police had a really
hard time that. Comes up every fucking time you
look into him. They will talk about how
difficult it was, about how like, well he didn't fit the the

(01:38:51):
description and da da da da da. That's fine.
He didn't fit the description. What does that have to do with
all the shitty stuff you did in the meantime?
What does that have to do with everybody dropping support when
he started calling out your fuckups?
What it what is that? What is all that other shit that
you're using as excuses have anything to do?

(01:39:13):
With only confirming 11 of the 14, he admitted.
And only getting enough information for eight when he
literally was telling you. I think I've done 20 to 30 when
weeks apart, the tones of all the major players in this shit
like that completely flipped to the opposite end.

(01:39:36):
That's the fucking bias. That's honestly, I think, the
real story behind Kroll. The murders, the rapes,
strangulation. The cannibalism.
We've seen that before. But to have such a documented
breakdown, an account with direct fucking quotes of
complete stupidity and criminal incompetence is they're the real

(01:39:58):
serial killers. Fuck the police.
And that's the end of this week's episode.
But yeah, what did you guys justno peace what you guys think.
I think. I think those police officers
are fucking idiots, but I don't think that it's rare that shit
like this happens. No, it's it's notoriously hard.

(01:40:21):
And a lot of detectives, even the good ones, say it's
notoriously hard to catch serialkillers.
I mean, this guy wasn't trying to be a serial.
Killer. He was probably just like,
walking up to the officer with the body there.
Like, excuse me, do you have a wet web?
I have blood on my hands like, oh, yeah, Sorry.
So here we go, Sir. Thank you so much.
Yeah, I saw. Saw her last night.

(01:40:41):
Oh, you did? Yeah.
But was she like this? Yeah, after a little while
they're like, oh, I'll make a note of that.
Well, you have a good day, Sir. Like they're fucking morons.
But. Yeah, I wonder.
I wonder if a lot of this is just like they wanted to be.
They wanted to make a big case because like the same, the same
time period also was Anna Tully Slivkov.

(01:41:02):
This is the same time period that he was in the late 1960s
and he was getting. Caught around the late 1960s.
The same for the the what is it?The Zodiac Killer in San
Francisco was the late 1960s. I mean, granted the late 1960s
and 70s is like heaven for serial killers.
That's when they all came around, you know, that's when

(01:41:22):
all the notorious ones come up. So I wonder if at that time they
were thinking we, you know, we're great, were these awesome
people and they might not have been tested by serial killers
before, you know, because they're also in Germany.
And granted, the entire country,the entire country, was serial
killers. Yeah, Serial killer.
Yeah, Yeah, and. Some of the police.

(01:41:44):
How could we possibly recognize them?
Yeah. And most of the people that were
that were, I guess if you want to say in the quotations, their
best and brightest, Yeah, had either left the country, been
killed in the war. Or they were too young.
They were too young to get some of these jobs because they would

(01:42:04):
have been in quotations, the children of Hitler, the ones
that came right after Civil war,after World War Two.
So they weren't old enough to bea little bit separated from the
National Socialist Party, the Nazis.
So they kind, it kind of was like, oh, it seemed like a weird
thing. Plus they were probably also

(01:42:25):
worried about the Soviet Union and the wall, you know, the so
it was, I feel like there was a lot of things happening.
And the Allies, because most of the people are getting put in
the put in the, what is it called, they're put in
internment camps. So but.
There's just so much going on inthis era.
There, there. I mean there there is.
But just real quick like I. I always push back when people

(01:42:49):
say that because there's always a lot going on in every area and
also to kind of like add to that, still not an excuse to
you, you know, falsely imprison your own neighbors in your own
community. And and point that I wasn't able
to confirm, but I thought it wasfunny.

(01:43:11):
Kroll apparently had been enrolled in Hitler Youth.
Right. And this was like before, like
Germany had even invaded Poland.Like, this is just fucking full
on nationalism. It's taken over and everything.
He had been enrolled, but he wasan outcast and they kicked him
out, which is like, again, this dude had the most insane luck

(01:43:35):
his whole life. But yeah, sorry, something.
I also wanted to point out like,as hard as it was for these
police officers. The beginning of the
interrogations was finding guts,finding her head in his
refrigerator, finding him makingsoup with her hands.
Like that was the beginning of the interrogation.

(01:43:59):
It wasn't like, hey, we've been talking, oh, oh, we found
evidence. No, they had the evidence.
And then they were like. What's going on here?
That's how they treated. Him.
And then they baited him. They.
Straight like I read. So I could have added another 3
pages of script of like him being babied like everybody was
just like everybody. It was such a state of like,

(01:44:22):
cognitive dissidence, right? Of just like.
There's no way these facts make reality, because reality is this
grand thing that makes sense to me, right?
Like they could not get that outof their fucking mind.
It has to be these gangs of fucking boys that are running

(01:44:42):
around just raping women, chopping off fucking one of
their ass cheeks and shit like that.
And like leaving seamen everywhere has to be one of
them, right? Or it has to be literally like a
an unlimited supply of the world's most elite murderers.
That are coming in and managing to slip past them at the last
fucking second, you know, And then at the same time some
fucking animal is surgically removing specific parts of all

(01:45:06):
these folks and that that animalhas nothing to do with the the
serial killers or the rapists. But you know that we got a lot
going on here. You know, they're fucking
idiots. Like every they refused to put
anything down that A was was competent but like B was just
realistic. Mild, typical, average.

(01:45:32):
You know, another day at the office, maybe they refused to do
it. It's like the person that will
only dot their eyes with little hearts that they fill in.
You know what I'm saying? It's just like I can't do
anything else. Like I don't have a hatred
against them. I'm just saying like that seems
like the type of person was like, no, I have to go way the
fuck too far every time on everything.
I don't care if it's a 400 page manuscript, you know, these
hearts are these eyes are going to have hearts like they're

(01:45:55):
fucking wack. They're fucking.
They're super wack. And there is a perfect symmetry
that plays out here between Kroll and the entire police
forces across multiple areas. Literally being the same person,
right? Like one's personified, one's
the person, but it's like they're both scared as fuck of
the press, right? Kroll didn't watch it, didn't

(01:46:18):
ever listen to it. Da da da da da da.
Both scared as fuck of that. The police don't want to fucking
look bad. They don't want to, like have
basically their dirty laundry, like shown out for like
everybody. They don't want to, you know,
all this crap like that. And I don't know, Joey, I think
you saw it the other day. I literally made a massive ass

(01:46:39):
list where I'm like, wow, they're the same fucking people,
same motivations, same bullshit,And again, both followed their
gut and again, it was fucked up the result each time, so.
Thanks for listening to the Black Cat Report in Episode 55
on Yokum Kroll. This was our third installment

(01:47:01):
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Next week we'll be peering into a really awful cannibal you
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