September 24, 2023 • 62 mins
This week, Joey and Gil take a trip to the High Strangeness Disneyland of Brazil, Araçariguama, to shed light on the mysterious events surrounding João Preste's horrific demise.
Was it just an unfortunate accident or something far more sinister?
Join us as we explore the perplexing case of the Melting Man, as researched by Pablo Villarrubia Mauso and Claudio Tsuyoshi Suenaga- two experienced ufologists who stumbled upon a web of eerie events and unsettling testimonies.
This episode will leave you pondering the mysteries of the universe. So, put on your thinking caps and come along for the intriguing ride.
(Primary Source)
The Incredible Saga of Joao Prestes
by Pablo Villarrubia Mauso
Translated by Scott Corrales, Institute of Hispanic Ufology.
Link: https://www.ufocasebook.com/prestes.html
Original: http://inexplicata.com/issue6/saga_of%20joao_prestes.htm
Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20021224234518/inexplicata.com/issue6/saga_of%20joao_prestes.htm
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Noted and referenced by the likes of Jay Allen Hynek and
Jacques Valet, Some describe this case as being one of the
most credible examples of a UFO killing a human, others an
exaggeration, the results of a social autopsy written by years
of word of mouth. Was it a close encounter of the
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second kind, or a freak accidentspiced up in its retelling?
Either way, the debate between skeptics, believers and
authorities all agree there was a casualty, and his final
gruesome moments did exist. This is the case of Joa Prestes
(00:41):
Filo, aka Melting Man of Brazil.I didn't see you there.
Something big is going on here, from hunting ghost to Bigfoot,
paranormal Ufo's, true crime, and more.
We won't just be spouting articles.
I was researching for your entertainment.
Beginning of a new world. The best clock you'll ever
fucking eat. True story.
It's basically like one day you walk outside and you see that
(01:03):
the ants are playing with matches.
This is a blackout report. See you on the other side.
Love everyone, and welcome to episode 64 of The Black Cat
Report. My name is Gil and this week we
only got Joey along with me. Hello, Joey.
Hey only got me today, so I'm sorry for the future I need.
(01:28):
Yes Sir. Sorry.
Bet Sabe, we'll see you hopefully next week.
It's better to only have Joey than to just have Bet Sabe.
That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.
She hasn't listened to the show.She won't notice.
That she'll hear it. We miss you bits today.
Glad you're having fun in your in your trip.
Yeah, bets, bays and Turkey now Let's see now.
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But super, super excited about this week's episode.
Joey can back me up on this. I've been like, bashing my head
against the wall trying to figure out how to break this
down because it was one of thosecases where I was like, cool,
here's an old case that I heard about.
Doesn't really get covered that much.
Seems really interesting. Seems really like, you know,
unique and obscure and like there might be some cool points
(02:14):
to it. And then I dug in and I dug and
I dug and I kept digging and then I found out that the
general story, which I'm going to explain in detail here,
basically is wrong in A and not the way that you might think it
is. So let's get started with my
long, long, long ass research driven intro.
(02:38):
That's right, baby. But trust me, it's worth it.
Just stick around. Now he.
Dug so far he hit China. So yeah, I dug so far.
China hit us. Now let's get in.
Hugged by mountains and spotted with traditional architecture,
the small Brazilian town of Arosa Reguma exists today as a
popular tourist destination justan hour and a half drive
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northwest of Sao Paulo, Brazil. With just 22,000 residents,
beautiful hotels and excellent skiing, it could be compared to
a city like Aspen, Co, just three times larger, six times
more affordable and nine times more paranormally active than
Skinwalker Ranch. But what this town is known for
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today, being a, let's say, cozy little hamlet in the valley,
stands in a stark contrast to its very modest heritage.
You see, much like Aspen was in the mid 1900s, this now quaint
getaway from the city used to bean isolated rural town, just
another small farming community accessible only by dirt roads.
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And it is here where our story takes place.
Aside, fun fact, a lot of reallybeautiful, cheap hotels there.
Saw that when I was looking thatup.
Is that going to be a black Cat report trip then?
Huh. You know what I'm saying.
Maybe we get some Groupons, you know what I'm saying?
So before we get to Joel and howhe became known as the melting
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man of Brazil, we got to give the source for today's episode
and address a little bit of misinfo people may have heard
before. Now, after a lot of digging
through conflicting accounts, weeventually discovered an
absolute gem incredible on the ground research by two
ufologists whose names I will try my best to pronounce, and
(04:29):
then immediately just jumped to using only their first names,
which are much easier for my hallowed tongue, Claudio Suyoshi
Singua and Pablo Vubera Maso. So sorry about butchering those
names, but yeah, so we're going to be calling them Claudio and
Pablo. So much easier now, Claudio and
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Pablo to youthologists, who in the 90s had no intent on digging
into this case. But I knew an opportunity when
they saw one, and was ultimatelyhighlighted in a 1998 article
called The Incredible Saga of Jao Prestes by Pablo rest of his
name, translated by Scott Corrales, published in Issue 6
(05:17):
of Inexplicica, the link to which will be in the show notes.
And actually, I'm. I'm going to be honest, it's
fairly short paper. I think it's like, I don't know,
8 pages, but it's it's written so well and there's so many
cross references and it's so dense and actually kind of
funny. Highly recommend going to look
(05:37):
at it, right? There'll be 3 links, all of them
are pretty much to like archive pages because this this magazine
isn't even in in print anymore now.
Yeah, damn. Now, As for the misinformation
and anyone who has heard of thiscase, I want to start off by
saying there is still a body, a widow and six children left
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picking up the pieces of their life in the end.
So don't worry if that's where you're coming from.
The way the story has been told right in the past has left so
many people to believe that Dohamay have just been in the wrong
place at the wrong time. This was actually debated when
the case kind of first became public, that somehow he was
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just, let's just say, an innocent bystander to a cosmic
hit and run. And people argued that in the
UFO community they're like, well, you know, the aliens, the
people flying the UFO's, They probably didn't mean to do this
to him, right? But the truth is the setting
where the events take place. The town of Arasigama is in
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reality known by everyone who lives there as a hotbed for high
strangeness with a long, well documented history of aggressive
paranormal encounters. This place is like an evil
Disneyland of high strangeness. But all anyone has been talking
about this whole time is a body farm in the parking lot.
All that said, this leads us to why we're using Pablo's article
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as our source. Well, Jao's case was made
internationally known in 1971 ata Brazilian UFO conference, when
it was hypothesized that he may have been the unwitting victim
of a UFO. By 1972, a witness to the
events, Arakei Gomied, was interviewed by Fernando Grossma,
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A ufologist researching the DOA case.
This interview then went on to become the widely accepted
narrative, the official story believers and skeptics alike
referenced when debating it, mostly because his research
became frankly the only source. That wasn't just news headlines
and hearsay. And that, my friends, is how we
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get to hunting chupacabras in 1997.
What? I love that you didn't know one.
8180, you got. I literally put that in the
script. I'm like, this is where Joey
will probably say something because you got me like that in
the past. Damn it.
But it's true. We know each other.
(08:10):
Yeah, God damn it. It's true.
Like, literally a 180. Like, cool, Let's talk about
this guy who got melted like that cheddar cheese that I put
on my nachos when I'm in the man.
You're just making me hungry by saying it sounds bad by the
chalupa chupacabra. Oh, OK.
Chupacabra. Yeah, not chalupas chupacabra.
But going from there to there islike a complete 180.
(08:33):
But it might not be. It 100% makes sense.
And again, I swear to God, if anybody at any point thinks that
I'm just trying to be goofy or then I'm exaggerating, read the
first two paragraphs of the source material for this
episode. Which, by the way, is the most
official source material for this case, right?
This shit gets mentioned. What I'm about to say, it gets
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mentioned. And yes, they were there hunting
Chupacabras now. So Grossman's interview was in
1972, right? Well, Fast forward now to 1997.
Decades later, Pablo and Clado are sharing a cheap hotel room
in Aresigama. This is where you can queue in
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some like, I don't know, some like dark, investigative, like
noir kind of music, like Pablo and Clado are sharing a cheap
hotel room in Aresigama. I don't know.
That sounds like it's turning into a roommate's novel.
Hold. Hold on, Joe and.
Not not a UFO conference. I'm still reading They were in
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the area to investigate a stringof Chupacabra incidents.
Clado had just stepped out of the shower and was trying off.
There it goes. This is true.
This is what he said in the report.
No, but. But seriously, I'll reread that.
Keep that part in if you want, Joey.
(09:58):
But yeah, so. They met us, basically.
So Grossman's interview was in 1972, right?
Well, Fast forward now to 1997. Cue the music.
Pablo and Clado are sharing a cheap hotel room in the other
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Segama. They were in the area to
investigate. A string of Chupacabra reports
Clado had just stepped out of the shower and was drying off
when he noticed a newspaper. The last folks left in the
quote? Grimy bathroom stop music.
(10:41):
I swear I'm not making this up. Read the first two paragraphs.
That is literally like a perfectparaphrase of what they say.
And it is, it is literally accurate.
He's like, like at one point Pablo says he's like, so we're
in this hotel room and Claudio gets out of the shower and now I
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have a Japanese guy reading Portuguese to me translating.
And he's telling me all about itdoes literally happen.
And they did say, quote Grammy bathroom.
Now anyways, he sees a name, right?
So Claudio sees a name as he's stepping in the shower, sees his
old newspaper, sees a name on the paper's obituary, and it
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rings a bell. Prestas picks it up and he
starts reading it. Quote The esteemed Roque prestas
died at 91 years of age on the April 6th at his home in this
city. He was the brother of of Joa
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Praestas, deceased. And quote now this obituary went
on to give the name of Joa Praestas's nephew, who
eventually we find out happens to still be alive and lives
basically right down the street from the hotel that these two
Ufologists are staying at. This is big.
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They're, they're, they're they're there for Chupacabra.
We all know UF O's are real Chupacabra.
Debatable, right? But then so there he's like,
holy shit right now. Keep in mind too, this case is
honestly like the black sheep ofUfology, right?
Everyone who is into UF O's at the time knew about it because
it's like, honestly, it's kind of like the way it goes is if
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somebody through the absolutely horrendous stories from a scene
in like Hiroshima, like witness statement, right.
They mix that together with a scene from Hellraiser into a
bowl and started stirring it up.And by they I mean an alien was
mixing these scenes together like this.
This is some of the descriptionsthat come out of this are
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absolutely like horrifying and they're scarring okay.
And in terms of UFO history and like for UFO nerds and
everything, like myself, it stands out as just kind of like
a, I don't know where the fuck to put that one, you know?
So yeah, basically what ends up happening is they got super
(13:13):
excited, couldn't sleep, and completely forgot about
chupacabra hunting. That's that's what happens with
that portion of the story that makes sense, again, directly in
the research. Yeah, includes a little bit too
much personal information in it,but it's so good stuff.
He's describing the towel that he walked out of the bathroom
with. I believe he's Egyptian cotton,
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Gyptian cotton, 9000 fiber, thread count.
The only thing that ufologists love more than cryptids is
obsessively, obsessively researching and documenting
everything, it's explicit timeline and the exact placement
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of Venus at the time in an eventlike, I think part of that is
due to like an allergic reactionto like let's just say like
debunkers. Just being like that was the
international speed station thatflew by about 3 hours later.
Actually, the witness was hallucinating that along with
the people getting picked up in their car, along with multiple
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other times that this has happened across the village and
about 400 people saw it. Yeah, and so like you have all
just have gotten like they're like I need to know the exact
2nd and they're like, I think itwas 730.
They're like, God damn it woman,I need to know.
The same amount of seconds? How many seconds?
730 and 30 seconds. Now I'm going to spend the next
14 hours measuring the perception of a second just so
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Craig doesn't have anything to say on Facebook.
Go like yeah, that's pretty muchyeah, yeah.
I love, I love my UFO community.I am.
I am actively in the process of becoming a move on field
investigator in my free time. Just FYI.
Love the fuck out of the nerdiness, but like, you gotta
learn to laugh at yourself. Y'all like we're fucking nerds
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now. This and this story by the way
is basically a case in like goodresearch secret lesson.
The next day they call up the nephew 61 year old Roque
priestess who by the way is still mourning the death of his
father. But regardless they end up going
over to his house where they would eventually go on to
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interview him about the traumatic death of his uncle
Joa. In hindsight, this may have been
bad timing, but it happened and they broke open a controversial
case, so. Yeah, yeah.
I guess 1/2 does the other. Yeah, it kind of works out I
guess. Anyways, OK, Priestess who was
nine at the time of his uncle's death, right?
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This was 51 years earlier. Doesn't matter though, because
he was still able to give them more accurate information, if
not more family known details about what really went down
leading up the Jaw's death. But not only did he give more
details, he also gave them info about other paranormal events
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and violent encounters that happened over the years, some of
them almost identical to what happened to his uncle.
Moving on from there, though, I want to kind of sorry, just to
backtrack a little bit, I want to kind of bounce between this.
Like I guess you would say it's like a side quest, right?
And I'll kind of get into some details at the end about why
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it's a side quest and how it alldevelops.
But these interviews, the side comments in them add up over
time. I've removed them from the
script until the very end so that we can have basically 2
plots. You're stuck with me unless you
hit stop. Please don't hit stop.
Also, rate and review us for five stars.
If not, if you don't like us, why are you even spending the
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time doing it? That's really unhealthy for for
your life and stuff. Well.
We're about to go in like a goosebumps choose Your Own
Adventure, except for instead ofchoosing gills, choosing for
you. So you'll see both sides of this
railway railway that we are going on.
If you're a real fan of the show, you got really excited all
day about this release and honestly you fell asleep by now
(17:09):
listening to it. I do the same thing with my
favorite podcasts and thank you.Yeah.
Thank you. Now, on March 4th in 1946, Joe
is making his way back home froma long day of successfully
avoiding all the local celebrations of Carnival.
Barefoot with a smile, he strolled down the familiar dirt
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roads through the quiet, pitch black evening on the outskirts
of town. Although it was late, everyone,
including his family, were stillin town partying and enjoying
the annual festivals just the same, as they were what he had
left that morning to go fishing.But Joe wasn't alone.
Far from it. He was carrying enough fish to
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feed not only himself, but his wife and six children.
Once they had all returned back to their modest home, which,
much to Joe's annoyance, had thelights off and was locked when
he arrived. Well, without his keys, I can
only assume he did what everyonedoes when they first start to
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realize they're locked out. You keep trying to turn the
doorknob, hoping maybe the firsttime you did it wrong.
I don't know, maybe that's just me, but you're just like, what?
No, no, no. You're.
Bashing a windows the next. Almost.
He almost gets there. But but yeah, so kept trying
anyways. Eventually I'm assuming said
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damn. And then did what everybody does
start thinking about how to break into your own house.
Yep. This everybody has been here.
I'm reading. He's.
He's pretty pissed, honestly, because he's like, I've been out
here fishing all day. My family just went to fucking
carnival without me. They're out at carnival.
He's specifically, I have this section in my own personal notes
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labeled I hate festivals or I Hate Carnival.
He like everybody referenced thefact that he hated, like events
like this, like large festivals,large public gatherings and
shit. He would intentionally be like,
well, I'm going over here and just like fucking leave.
So his family in the morning, I'm assuming it was like a, you
know, breakfast discussion kind of thing.
Like, we all go to the carnival today and they're like, yeah,
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and he's like, well, guess I'll go fishing and then just fucking
get, you know, it's. Probably like I need a day away
from my six kids. Jesus Christ.
So yeah. So anyways, starts trying to
figure out how to break into hishouse.
Well, luckily Fred Doha, he managed to find an unlocked
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window and was able to awkwardlycrawl in.
Literally. We've all been there.
If you are in your 30s right now, at some point in your life
you've done this for yourself, other people, or a crime that I
don't want you to tell me about,but you should message us.
Contact that Black cat report for our Confessions episode I'm
putting together. Yes.
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We can't wait to put that together.
Allegedly. Allegedly.
Well. Hungry and not sure when
everyone would be back, he prepped his catch and started
getting everything ready to cook.
Now keep in mind this was the 1940s in a rural town.
He didn't have an air fryer. So what was he to do?
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Gathered wood and began stackingit into his family's wood fire
stove, his pot of fish sitting on top, ready for the boil.
It was then. In the brief moments between Joe
of filling the stove, lighting the fire that an intense light
flooded in through the same window he had just crawled
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through with his intention consumed by the light, Joe has
stood frozen as the quote fiery torch entered through the
window. Damn.
Suddenly every cell in his body began twisting with the sting of
fire, a pain so unbearable and so intense he dropped to the
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floor, paralyzed to do anything but writhe in agony as the light
hovered over him in the room. Well, it's unknown how long the
scene actually lasted. What we do know is Joa still
consumed by pain as every cell in his body was burning.
Managed to stand up and reach the front door, only to realize
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his hands were completely paralyzed and contorted, his
fingers and wrists twisted at just every fucking weird angle
you can imagine. He then realizing this, he then
had to use his teeth to move andopen the door latch to get out.
He was just screaming and pain the whole damn time.
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Once outside, things got worse. With his body completely
wrecked, Joe I had to stumble through the dark barefoot, his
feet being caught by sharp rockswith every step as he cried for
help into an empty neighborhood.No, when you hear the
description later that people will give, you'll know why.
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I'm saying this wasn't anything short of a miracle, but somehow,
Joe, I managed to make. A nearly mile and a half long
walk to his sister's house in town, and it was here that
Vergil Francisco Alves saw him, which he outlined.
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When our uovologist interviewed him, he said yes.
My cousin Emiliano priestess, who was my neighbor, called me
over. When I got to Maria's house, I
found Joa Malikis, the sheriff, speaking to Joa.
I know there's a lot of Joa's, alot of names.
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He was in bed and having problems with his tongue.
His skin, which was fair, was toasted reddish as he as as if
he had been roasted. His his hands and his face had
the worst burns. The hands were twisted.
His hair didn't burn. Nor did his feet, nor his
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clothing. He was only burned from the
waist up. His feet were torn up from
running barefoot on sharp rocks.Later on at the Joe was admitted
to the hospital, he would spend somewhere between 6:00 to 9:00
hours decomposing in front of everyone.
His skin was literally falling off of his body.
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His muscles were exposed and eventually.
His jaw fell off over like this is like a 12/14 hour period.
He went from being totally fine and healthy.
I think his age was estimated tobe like late 30s, maybe like
early early 40s, like 4041, something like that.
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Totally healthy guy. And in one evening, this
happened to him. He just became a grilled cheese.
Yeah, they they literally call him the Melting man because like
everything started falling off of him.
And the what they called the orderly who worked at the
hospital at the time, right. Who they eventually, or sorry,
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who was first interviewed and set this whole story in motion.
He he he explained it as basically Joe was just like
decomposing. Rapidly in front of them, like
straight up, he was decomposing,although he did make a
reference, which I've seen enough times to feel comfortable
repeating it. They said that basically the
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last hour that he was alive, he had a demeanor or an expression
of like being comfortable or at peace, which.
Based off of what they're describing makes me think that
all of the nerve endings in his body had probably died and he
just couldn't feel anything. Also, that last hour he didn't
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even have a jaw on his face. I don't know how they're
judging. He's comfortable.
Well, I think. I think they asked him if
they're like Joe, if you're comfortable, can you give us a
thumbs up? And he tried, but he didn't have
thumbs anymore. So they were just like, Oh no.
Sorry about it. OK, that might come across as a
bad joke, but that also literally might have been true.
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No, that's probably true. It's really sad.
Oh my God. This is so fucked up, dude.
This guy seems like a really, really, really just like, nice
guy who's just. I don't know.
It's a fuck again. This is the black sheep of,
like, UFO cases, right? Like, there's there's a reason
why they were like, holy shit, that dude, they're related to
that dude. Like, and they got excited.
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And they they got so excited they forgot about Chupacabras.
OK, that's pretty excited. Yeah, that that's amazing.
Honestly, it just sounds like hegot like, super radiation burns.
Exactly. Complete radiation, just like.
100 percent, 100%. And if you look into folks
trying to explain the situation just like nowadays, like looking
(26:29):
into like to say Reddit commentsor like post on random forms and
stuff, people bring that up and then the other folks on the
other side will come back with. Here is the case study of these
individuals, who are the only known humans to survive the
largest burst of radiation and the way that their bodies were
affected. You're talking like days and
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days or like weeks. You're not talking about like a
handful of hours. This shit was like speed up
times 20. He got put in a microwave is
what it sounds like. He just got put in a microwave
and you just watch him turning, melting as he's going.
This is crazy. I also need to emphasize here,
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this is one year, one year before the atomic bomb test.
This is 1946, the atomic bomb test. 1947, right?
The Kenneth Arnold sighting right of like, what do you
basically explained to saucers skipping along da da da da da up
(27:34):
in Washington state and the reporter like, misconstrued it
and called them flying saucers. Literally, the situation that
made flying saucers a household term, a household phrase didn't
happen for like, another year and a half.
The atomic bomb wasn't invented for another year.
This was before all of that shit.
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It's so crazy. This is, yeah.
And it's like, and it's so fucking isolated, right?
It's so just like, right there in a house in person.
Yeah, it's just one person too. It's like, not.
Yeah, it's like his house turnedinto an air fryer, which weren't
even invented. Yet exactly no.
But this is like. This is fucking gruesome.
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I'm sorry, but this is like scary as fuck, like around this
kind of shit. Like we go out locally, Joey and
I, and like Betsa Bay, we'll go look for the Brown Mountain
Lights. Now they seem a little bit more
nefarious now they seem a littlebit more edgy.
Like, I don't know, I'm a littlebit scared of them now.
If they ZAP you when you start melting as you're walking back
to your back, walking back to the campsite, and you're just
like you're sitting by the fire,you have your, you know, you
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have your cup, you know, with your whatever you want, your
coffee, your liqueur in it, Moscow liquor, Moscow Mule
brought. Yeah, Yep, yeah.
You're sitting there and you're you're roasting your
marshmallows and then you turn into one of those marshmallows,
which is just freaking horrifying.
Yeah, you know, don't know wheremy skin ends and where the
marshmallow starts exactly. Yeah, I mean, like that's normal
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before the marshmallow is roasted, but in that particular
situation, that's horrifying. Yeah, when you just melt into a,
you become a S'more. Yeah.
As I said though, there was an orderly there that eventually
was, like interviewed. He was the one that was
interviewed in 1972, right? So it was the orderlies
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perspective of the situation, what he understood as the story
leading up to Dog being in a hospital bed, decomposing in
front of him over the course of like a handful of hours.
Pretty fucking traumatic for anybody, even somebody that
works at a hospital. It was his perspective that
defined how everybody heard the story, right?
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Because he was the person that like that the ufologist was able
to find reference, interview, all that jazz and that became
the official report. Now something interesting that
he said. And this is something that was
repeated by other folks that were interviewed by by our boys,
right, for this story, for the references.
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Other than just saying over and over again repeating what had
happened to him, he also kept saying that the light was quote
otherworldly. So before his jaw fell off, Dad
said before his jaw fell off, hetold everybody he could, from
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from his sister Maria's house tothe long ass like car ride
there. Right to the hospital, he kept
repeating, it came in through the window.
It da, da, da, da, da, I, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Like he kept repeating exactly what the fuck happened to him.
He was this dude was in shock constantly and he was just kept
repeating it. So this is where, like skeptics
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and stuff like that, like can't actually argue because they're
just like, no, it was a this andthen they're like.
But the victim literally said itfor 12 hours that that's not
what it what like, that's a strong case.
And then with the way his body decomposed, which is frankly the
only time I've ever heard of that happening to a body in such
a short period of time, this case stands out.
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And since it's attached to potentially UFO's, again, it's
the black sheep. Now, as we all know, and as I've
said, 4,000,000 times he dies, he passes away.
Obviously, right. So this leads us to the police
investigation. Now, again, based off of the the
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more updated interviews, the ones from 97.
Nothing. There was nothing.
The police went into the house, literally nothing was burned.
Nothing had a single scorch markon it.
Everything was totally fine. Furthermore, and to back up what
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I guess would be his or it was his second cousin when his
second cousin said. Even when he died in the
hospital with his skin falling off and all that and everything
was clearly burned on his body, his hair and his clothes.
Totally fucking fine. Immaculate.
You could even say. Yeah.
Pressed. No.
But yeah, so, so that kind of goes on par with like there was
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nothing singed or burned in his house, but.
Very, very understandably. His wife and his six kids were
horrified at the idea of going back to the house.
They refused. Who the fuck would you know if
it was there? Why can't it still be there?
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Whatever happened to him, you know?
Yeah. And so this all led up to, I
guess it'd be 30 years afterwards.
Well, immediately the police ordered the house to be
condemned. Obviously some wackadoo shit
just happened and then ultimately it was demolished in
the 1960s so can't really go check it.
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Yeah, yeah. I wonder though if they could
have gone with the Geiger counter a little later, like
maybe 25-6 years later and just checked it out to see if it was
some kind of radiation. Even with their even with their
the house being demolished, theystill could have, they could
have registered some radiation if that's what it was.
I mean, who knows, This is seemslike it.
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You, I mean, you can literally go submit this idea to like UFO
researchers, Joey, because, likeit's a great idea to go dig into
that. And frankly, as we're about to
hear like it's a great idea justto go visit this area and hang
out for about a month if you can.
Hey, well, you are going to be the move on investigator.
So I've been pitching to you right now.
Shit, that means I need to go fund me account.
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Future Guil, Future Guil, FutureGuil, you know, But yeah, so you
know, the place was condemned and it was demolished in the 60s
and that was something that the,the ufologist Grossmont, like,
had discovered after he interviewed the orderly, right,
Was he's like, where's the houseat?
And they're like, oh, well, thisis that and this is that.
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So that was already documented. OK, but with all that done?
It didn't stop or even slow the encounters in this area now.
So what I was saying about all this high strangeness that was
going on and why this case shouldn't just be narrowed down
to just Joe of like, decomposing.
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Because frankly, the way the story was told and the way the
story is generally told is this just the moment of, like, him
stepping into town, falling apart and dying and repeating a
bunch of stuff about seeing lights.
Right. It's it's like it's just the
very, very, very end of the story.
Well, if you recall so far, Claudio and Pablo, the ufologist
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turned chupacabra hunters turnedufologist again have interviewed
Joe's nephew and his second cousin.
Well, in their pursuit of the full story, they wanted to find
Joe's grave, which led them to two more interviews, one with
the Corky local historian named Hermes Dafosseca.
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And one with a gravedigger namedNelson Oliveira, who took them
right to Joe's final resting place.
Now, with the full story mapped out, Claudio and Pablo began
cross referencing each interview.
All the random facts, the statements and the stories that
were thrown in along the way. Right.
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So they're recording all these interviews.
They noted them from the start specifically because of one
thing. Joe's nephew Luis Presta said,
quote, he thinks that the small town might be a window area, a
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flap, a little bit more than a flap.
It's a flap and a flop and a flip, but so?
So when they were interviewing Luis about his uncle's death, he
said back then people would constantly see fireballs.
Known as a word I can't pronounce in Portuguese, which
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means ghosts in Aragama and its vicinity.
I'm so sorry everybody, I reallytry my best here and that some
believed they came from the goldmine that is now closed.
Other weird things would happen to this is all still the quote.
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My late father told us that around 1922.
He was able to see a wolf man while with my grandfather and an
uncle. My uncle apparently threw a rock
at it and hit its hand. The next day, a neighbor turned
up with his hand, bandaged. What?
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Right. So there's some local tea now.
Yeah, this was their first interview again, like.
He was Louis. He was.
He was nine at the time, and he openly admitted at the time
that, like his parents protectedhim from being able to see his
Uncle Joe. They were like, Nope, fuck no,
you're not seeing that. Like, they knew it would be
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scarring. They knew it would be
traumatizing. He was able to get a brief
glimpse of him before he made itto the hospital at that point in
time. He basically just looked
completely toasted. His body was inflamed.
He was starting to swell. But it and horrifying, like,
absolutely horrifying just on its own, but not as horrifying
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as it would get. So he just got, you know,
partially scarred more or less from it, for sure.
He probably just saw what lookedlike Donald Trump.
Orange. Glowing.
Yeah. Very, very bloated.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's kind of. It was pretty accurate,
actually. Joy, Yeah.
Now, on top of that, right leastwent on to add quote, something
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equally scary happened to Emiliano Prestes, my uncle and
Joe Prestes's brother. A few months after his brother's
tragic death, Emiliano was walking through Otter Megara
forest in another place I can't pronounce.
I'm so sorry. Look at the show notes.
The same. The same one.
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From which the Wolfman appeared in 1922 and where the light
burned Doa, a fiery torch appeared above him, causing him
to run to a canyon's edge. When the thing fell on him, all
he could do was kneel and pray for his life.
He told us that he felt an intense heat, but luckily the
fiery torch moved away and vanished.
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That's crazy that that happened to him too.
Going on, he had also included in the interview.
I wanted to break this up because these stories should be
told in tangent, right? Yeah, yeah.
Quote. The lights were seen most
frequently between 3:00 and 4:00in the morning and were three or
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four times larger than the moon.People would feel their heat and
at even a distance, and they were able to move amazingly
fast. My father stopped going to
parties at night because of these lights.
That's crazy. Now from the second interview.
The plot thickened further when during the second interview,
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Vergilio Francisco Alvez said, well, Joel was a cattle driver.
He was still young and lived with his father in Autor Magara.
One day at sundown, as he led the donkeys over a hill, he saw
a fire that fell from the sky. A fireball.
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It was near a Chapel that had a cross, and he could see the
fireball passing him, almost knocking him down.
Joel would tell me. At that spot, you could
sometimes see 10 to 12 balls emerging from the sky.
Some of them were red, others moon colored.
Sometimes five or six of them would fall to the ground and
explode. People would call them boitata
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lights. Now As for that word which I'm
struggling with pronouncing. It's a local word.
It's a native word. An indigenous word for, quote,
mysterious lights that would pursue and even kill the native
Indians. End Quote.
Now here's the things. These Boe Tata were referenced
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and recorded as far back as the 16th century by a priest named
Jose Dan Cheetah. So, like they, they have a long
history in the region. And that's just when the priest
got to the area, like 15 hundreds, right?
They got there and eventually itbecame so well known that it got
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documented right. But that also means that there
was a longstanding existence of the folklore and the legend and
the accounts of this before that.
It's not just like the priest went.
I mean, maybe this priest was really into, you know,
paranormal shit and he's like, oh, I'm going to write that
down. Odds are it was like he had
other shit to do, and eventuallyit became enough of a situation
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or situation became loud enough that he actually documented it,
but that that says something. It's been going back for that
damn long. In 1957, it got really big again
when Jerry Lee Lewis released Great Balls of Fire.
That's true. Goodness gracious, he he went
down there and saw him and that's where.
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That's where he got the song from.
I was going to make a quote, butI'm not.
Now you shake my nerves and you read on my brain.
Do, do, do now, please don't putthat in.
Now continuing on though, Reggaehimself witnessed the apparition
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of one of these lights which emerged from behind the mountain
where the gold mine was and landed on Mount Sabol, which I'm
assuming is a local nickname forit because I could not find it
anywhere, but that's what's documented, so that's what I'm
going with. Anyways, back to the quote,
another hill where strange lights always appear.
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Quoting him now, we also called those fireballs Madres de Oro
Mothers of Gold. There was also the golden
lizard, an elongated tongue of flame that moved in a straight
line slowly without making a sound.
This is a lot of fucking weird shit.
I just want to throw that out there.
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I mean it still reminds me todaythat they keep seeing stuff in
Brazil, similar things talking about near gold mines is what
they're near mines in the area and they keep.
Just stuff keeps happening around these areas.
So it's kind of weird. And they're like dangerous
things because people are being killed by these things.
Yeah. So it's nuts to think about
that. Like in a lot of other areas,
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and I know we talked about this,is that especially in South
America, they have, it feels like they have such dangerous
Ufo's that a lot of them are just being murdered or killed.
You know, like a lot of the natives, a lot of the people in
the area and you know, in the US, we're just getting abducted.
You know, most people aren't dying.
They're getting killed by people.
They're getting killed by killedby their own people.
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I came across them. Reminds me, I came across a
random Reddit comment while I was looking for sources and
stuff and somebody just said Goddamn aliens are racist against
Brazilian. Those.
Seriously, there are the mortals.
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That was hilarious to me after reading all of them.
It sucks. Like, I don't know if they just
like the whatever, if there's like a confederation of aliens
that were allowed to come to theplanet to abduct or do
experiments and they were just like, well, you know, like this,
the evil, like crazy aliens are just like, yeah, all Brazil,
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we're going there. They got the coolest parties,
you know, and they're all just like doing a line of coke.
You know, partying for carnival.I don't know.
Just ready to go. Like, just okay.
Cool. Just stab him real quick.
All right, ZAP him with a laser.I don't know.
It just seems like they got the the most violent aliens.
Well okay yes, but also no. So there there is one thing that
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I've noticed which is generally in very, very rural areas that
are what we would even consider like a resource dense areas,
right. That tends to be in very
desolate resource dense areas tends to be where more
aggressive or just outright violent encounters like happen
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all around the world. Yeah, right.
Like, even go back to one of themost famous abduction stories in
history, Travis Walton. Fire in the sky like they're out
in the middle of fucking nowhere.
Like chopping down trees. Oh, that's right.
Yeah, right. Go back to the Mojave incident
again, literally in the middle of the Mojave Desert.
Yep. Oh, true.
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Like a lot of these cases happenin the middle of bum fuck
nowhere, right? And so it only makes sense to me
at least like combining that with other stuff and trying to
make sense whatever that when you have a lot of small
communities or even just like small tribes that are spread out
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making very very like low impact, especially with tribes
like low impact to the to the local ecology, then encounters
would increase, right? And that the pattern would
continue. I don't know.
I it's just something I noticed,like generally when somebody's
abducted in the middle of nowhere, shit gets wild.
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Even Whitley Strieber communion,right?
He lived in the middle of fucking nowhere with his wife
and had this crazy ass like security system set up all
around his house. I mean, he openly emitted
himself. He's like, yeah, I'm super
paranoid. I had cameras everywhere, like
and he lived in the middle of nowhere and look what happened
to him. You know, like shit's generally
not good when they just, you know, catch you off guard in the
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middle of nowhere. But.
I guess so. So, no.
But yeah, resources man, apparently it just makes
anything violent. Makes them go crazy crazy now
moving on though. So now we're under the third
interview. Some statements come from that
Hermes Defoseca quote. In 1955 I worked on the
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construction of a cable car in the Santa Rita cement factory.
It was supposed to be used to transport rock from a local
quarry. It was August 24th of that year,
and the heat was unbearable whenmyself and other workers saw an
object drifting in the blue sky as large as a truck tire, very
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tall, aluminum colored, spinningand giving off smoke circles of
white. We saw it at 11:15 and by 12:00
five or six acronym. But it was Brazilian Air Force
airplanes arrived. They were smaller than the
flying wheel which distance itself easily from the planes.
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On the following day, the Fulla de Sao Paulo newspaper published
an article about the fact that thousands of people from Osaka,
which is near this area, had seen a flying saucer with the
exact same characteristics. Yeah, so give some shit in the
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distance. Literally looks like truck tire
mess, you know, semi tire out there.
But then you see fighter jets asreference and you're like, oh,
they look like dots. That's.
Huge. And then it just completely out
maneuvers them and then way overin another area.
It's like, Oh yeah, now thousands of people just
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witnessed that again, this is like 11:30 in the morning, 12
noon. This wasn't at night, this was
in the morning. This is that's like noon going
on. He also said in 1960, Celiso
Gomed, a bus driver, was on his way from Sao Roque when he saw a
red light that caused him to stop the vehicle.
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The light approached the cabin and gomed, frightened, began to
pray. The passengers were stunned by
the uncanny light which encircled them.
There's some 20 minutes, so now we have a bus full of people.
Damn, just being like there's another alien, There's another
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UFO. Yeah, a bus full of people that
saw it, along with thousands of people that saw a UFO in the
area. There's multiple I got, I got
over trying to add in all the Dog Man sightings, but there's a
bunch of dog Man sightings in here.
So now moving up again 1993 in the same region as as a sorry.
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In 1993 in the same region at a place called Lila Ranch, 12 year
old Regine Barbarossa De Silva watched as a 15 foot sphere
hovered around before it shot her with a yellow beam of light.
Quote After the event Regina experienced headaches and eye
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irritation. Which End Quote by the way?
Eye irritation. Super super super common for
close encounters with Ufo's likespecifically shit.
What's that called? I should know this.
What is Pink Eye technically called?
I forget I. Don't remember.
Damn it. Damn it.
Damn it. Anyways, basically pink eye.
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Yeah, pink eye isn't just causedby poo particles.
I know. That's what we're all taught.
It's also caused by Ufo's, but no like.
Oddly enough though, what is it?Conjunctivitis.
Conjunctivitis. Thank you.
Yes. Yeah.
So conjunctivitis is actually not just caused by poo particles
or somebody farting on a pillow.Not only, not only yes, yes, but
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it's also, oddly enough, heavilyassociated with and heavily
documented to occur in folks after close encounters with
Ufo's. Like people that look like
there's a couple things. So people that see a craft very
close, like up close, a lot of times they'll have more or less
like a weird kind of sunburn on the side of their body that was
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facing whatever wherever the craft was right?
And within a day or so, they'll develop conjunctivitis Pink Eye
6. So the the UFO pooped in your
eye, the folk came in and shit all.
Over him, pooped in your eye. But that also again is part of
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radiation poisoning. Cuz you know, when you know
watching Oppenheimer, when you see that they talked about how
people put their hands in front of their face when the what is
it, a Hiroshima happened, they put their hand in their face.
And behind it, their hands will be baked, but then they move
their hand and their face would be like they got sunburned.
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Like they held their hand there just because of how quick the
radiation came through and just torched it.
And it's like the power basically harnessing the power
of the sun. And maybe in a way that's what
the UF O's are doing, because obviously you're saying they're
sun baked. They're just harnessing the
power of the sun. I maybe that that is the closest
thing to it, but like. If my rational mind thinks about
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it, you know, just like, you know, going into it, just
thinking about it, that is. And that's why I like.
I think that that's part. Honestly, this is like part of
the reason why. Like anytime there's like a UFO
incident and like potentially 1 landed in a field or whatever,
nerds like me or at least me someday get to go out there with
Geiger counters and be like, what time was it at?
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No, exactly. Tell me what time it was.
God damn it. You said 9:15 is.
Was it 13 or 14? You know, like.
If there's things that UFO researchers are very good at,
it's reading the room when they're trying to ask questions.
Exactly. Yes, I blame.
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I blame the skeptics. Yes.
It is their fault, yes. We're just gonna ignore the fact
that I work in spreadsheets for a living, yes.
No data analysis for you? No, no, no, no.
But but that, yeah, that is that's like part of the whole
rationale is like what you just said, like there's so many, let
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me say like side effects from like close Encounters that have
been documented that radiation exposure makes sense.
It literally it starts to meet the list.
Where it doesn't meet the list is again our story.
Yeah, we're just melt 46. Yeah, but also a year before the
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bomb was finished. Well, I mean, yeah, yeah, for
for that. They did not have many rural
living room size nukes in 1940. What I'm saying is that the
UFO's were the radiation poisoning, not.
Not just like somebody came in and just shot some radiation in
there. I'm just thinking that maybe the
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Ufo's had radiation because of the propulsion system or because
of their way either blending in between realities depending on
what you believe it might be. Yeah, it might just be a
reaction from their propulsion system to the physics of our
reality. It's not even that like it
specifically causes that. It might not cause that, let's
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say in the middle of nowhere, inspace, or let's say between
dimensions. It might not cause that at all.
But it might be almost similar to an elemental reaction, right?
Like there's some phosphorus andjust some water and see what
happens. Don't actually do that.
Please don't do that. The last sea of goggles on and
you're ready to smile because it's so much fun.
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Now Joey's like cutting that out.
I'm leaving it in the eye, comesto your house and then you're
going to go back to that time stamp and you're going to be
like, see, I even said in case you came.
Yep, in case you came. I knew it.
No, but wait, wait there at yourhouse now.
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Moving on though. So Regine, she got messed up,
right? It didn't say anything about her
dying, but she did have like terrible headaches and she
probably got really bad pink eye.
A few months after that, a guardat that exact same ranch watched
quote, 2 humanoids floating overa brook on the ranch's property.
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Just floating humanoids. Humanoids.
Yeah. Specific word, Not humans, but
humanoids, No. Which is like they were shaped
like a human, but they weren't human.
You know, we have to do an episode on humanoid encounters.
Anyways. 1994 in the same ranch area, a couple, and this is all
like bright in the exact same spot.
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Like we're talking about a very small area.
In 1994, same ranch area. A couple watched a quote,
spherical object measuring 3 meters.
How big is that? 69 feet, something like that.
About three feet in a meter in American Yard.
Yeah, So spherical object measuring 3 meters in diameter,
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which floated between the trees and made no sound whatsoever.
It was red in color and was darker at its core.
Its periphery was surrounded by several smaller blinking lights,
alternating between blue and red.
Just fucking weird, right? Yeah, yeah, very weird.
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Like I've I've heard about orbs.I've heard about different kinds
of orbs, and like their level ofthread or interaction.
I've never heard about, like, a sphere orb with tiny little orbs
flooding around it and blinking different colors.
But now, in that same year, three kids in the exact same
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area that Dodd died reportedly saw what they described as a
glowing UFO floating just 50 feet above them in the backyard
of a house. Same neighborhood.
Later, an elderly Japanese womanwho spent her youth in Santa de
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Para Niba. Again, sorry for butchering.
This told one of the ufologists that she had seen 1/2 wolfman,
half Centaur being in the vicinity.
This is just Skinwalker Ranch here in Brazil.
This is basically Brazilian Skinwalker Ranch.
(57:30):
Yeah. Yeah.
It's like all these things. Well, yeah.
And also with the dead person, you know, like sadly, you know,
and I feel like they had to conclude their research paper
like this just because of that steamy start it, said San Roque.
Again, general area has also experienced one of the most
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intense waves of Chupacabra activity in all of South
America. Good.
Well, there you go. I love this paper because it's a
perfect example of, like, me writing an episode where it's
like, all right, gonna do a dudegetting written, getting melted
by Ufo's Chupacabra centaurs. We finally found it going off,
(58:10):
but. I thought they at the end, we're
gonna say and and and this, thisarea finally had the 2 greatest
UFO researchers ever in the world of all in never hit me on
Patreon now. Now.
Yeah. So there's obviously a lot of
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orbs, right? And there there's literally more
in that report. And if you just Google it,
there's way more that show up inthis general area.
Right. And with that, there's a case I
was researching which led me to this topic, by the way, with
government reports between 2014 and 2016.
(58:52):
Also in Brazil, where there weremultiple encounters with orb,
sometimes way up in the sky, other times just floating into
the area where people were sleeping, doing stuff like
flashing them with beams of light, people reported
paralysis. There was government
investigations and a bunch of other interesting stuff, so I'm
(59:14):
still researching what happened,but we will be covering it in a
future episode. That said, I wanted to do this
case on purpose, right? I wanted to do this case because
first in 1946, there were no drones, right?
Flashlights frankly weren't thatbright.
(59:35):
Half the area, half the areas that this is happening in don't
have any type of municipal like electricity.
Like these are very rural areas.The atomic bomb hadn't been
invented yet. It was a year out, frankly.
And like they were working theirasses off.
It wasn't like, well, maybe theytested it.
No, no they didn't. They basically had it ready and
(59:58):
like set up the test within likea couple weeks.
They were like, okay, we're ready.
Like they were rushed. So that didn't happen.
It wasn't planes, it wasn't drones, it wasn't somebody with
a flashlight. It wasn't drug cartels that were
also running an organ harvestingmining operation and had jetpack
dudes or boots like the Peruviangovernment is saying.
(01:00:19):
It's going on right? This is way the hell before
that. And I wanted to give a solid
context to not only that this was documented and somebody died
because of it, but that there isa history going back to the
1600s explaining these types of events.
(01:00:39):
Right. And I hope that this, yeah.
Gives context to our listeners, but also helps everyone of us
give a middle finger to debunkers saying it's drones.
I I just honestly, that's what Ireally wanted.
Yeah, take that. Dumb bunkers.
Fuck you, Mick W Now, I don't know who that is, but yeah, I
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do. Anyways, in conclusion, memories
of events, though sometimes sharp, cannot Pierce through the
shielding of a watchful parent and family who's trying to
protect a child from being scared as it with a nephew who
gave one portion of the story. Or, frankly, those same parents
(01:01:23):
and adults may themselves be in shock.
Adults trying to understand whatthey saw, processing an
unfamiliar situation while at the same time struggling to
answer a kids question. A lot can be said about this,
and even more to the weight of time on the scale of
perceptions, but the body of truth remains regardless.
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Noted and referenced by the likes of Jay Allen Hynek and
Jacques Valet, Some describe this case as being one of the
most credible examples of a UFO killing a human, others an
exaggeration, the results of a social autopsy written by years
of word of mouth. Was it a close encounter of the
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second kind, or a freak accidentspiced up in its retelling?
Either way, the debate between skeptics, believers and
authorities all agree there was a casualty, and his final
gruesome moments did exist. This is the case of Joa Prestes
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Filo, aka Melting Man of Brazil.I didn't see you there.
Something big is going on here, from hunting ghost to Bigfoot,
paranormal Ufo's, true crime, and more.
We won't just be spouting articles.
I was researching for your entertainment.
Beginning of a new world. The best clock you'll ever
fucking eat. True story.
It's basically like one day you walk outside and you see that
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the ants are playing with matches.
This is a blackout report. See you on the other side.
Love everyone, and welcome to episode 64 of The Black Cat
Report. My name is Gil and this week we
only got Joey along with me. Hello, Joey.
Hey only got me today, so I'm sorry for the future I need.
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Yes Sir. Sorry.
Bet Sabe, we'll see you hopefully next week.
It's better to only have Joey than to just have Bet Sabe.
That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.
She hasn't listened to the show.She won't notice.
That she'll hear it. We miss you bits today.
Glad you're having fun in your in your trip.
Yeah, bets, bays and Turkey now Let's see now.
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But super, super excited about this week's episode.
Joey can back me up on this. I've been like, bashing my head
against the wall trying to figure out how to break this
down because it was one of thosecases where I was like, cool,
here's an old case that I heard about.
Doesn't really get covered that much.
Seems really interesting. Seems really like, you know,
unique and obscure and like there might be some cool points
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to it. And then I dug in and I dug and
I dug and I kept digging and then I found out that the
general story, which I'm going to explain in detail here,
basically is wrong in A and not the way that you might think it
is. So let's get started with my
long, long, long ass research driven intro.
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That's right, baby. But trust me, it's worth it.
Just stick around. Now he.
Dug so far he hit China. So yeah, I dug so far.
China hit us. Now let's get in.
Hugged by mountains and spotted with traditional architecture,
the small Brazilian town of Arosa Reguma exists today as a
popular tourist destination justan hour and a half drive
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northwest of Sao Paulo, Brazil. With just 22,000 residents,
beautiful hotels and excellent skiing, it could be compared to
a city like Aspen, Co, just three times larger, six times
more affordable and nine times more paranormally active than
Skinwalker Ranch. But what this town is known for
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today, being a, let's say, cozy little hamlet in the valley,
stands in a stark contrast to its very modest heritage.
You see, much like Aspen was in the mid 1900s, this now quaint
getaway from the city used to bean isolated rural town, just
another small farming community accessible only by dirt roads.
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And it is here where our story takes place.
Aside, fun fact, a lot of reallybeautiful, cheap hotels there.
Saw that when I was looking thatup.
Is that going to be a black Cat report trip then?
Huh. You know what I'm saying.
Maybe we get some Groupons, you know what I'm saying?
So before we get to Joel and howhe became known as the melting
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man of Brazil, we got to give the source for today's episode
and address a little bit of misinfo people may have heard
before. Now, after a lot of digging
through conflicting accounts, weeventually discovered an
absolute gem incredible on the ground research by two
ufologists whose names I will try my best to pronounce, and
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then immediately just jumped to using only their first names,
which are much easier for my hallowed tongue, Claudio Suyoshi
Singua and Pablo Vubera Maso. So sorry about butchering those
names, but yeah, so we're going to be calling them Claudio and
Pablo. So much easier now, Claudio and
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Pablo to youthologists, who in the 90s had no intent on digging
into this case. But I knew an opportunity when
they saw one, and was ultimatelyhighlighted in a 1998 article
called The Incredible Saga of Jao Prestes by Pablo rest of his
name, translated by Scott Corrales, published in Issue 6
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of Inexplicica, the link to which will be in the show notes.
And actually, I'm. I'm going to be honest, it's
fairly short paper. I think it's like, I don't know,
8 pages, but it's it's written so well and there's so many
cross references and it's so dense and actually kind of
funny. Highly recommend going to look
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at it, right? There'll be 3 links, all of them
are pretty much to like archive pages because this this magazine
isn't even in in print anymore now.
Yeah, damn. Now, As for the misinformation
and anyone who has heard of thiscase, I want to start off by
saying there is still a body, a widow and six children left
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picking up the pieces of their life in the end.
So don't worry if that's where you're coming from.
The way the story has been told right in the past has left so
many people to believe that Dohamay have just been in the wrong
place at the wrong time. This was actually debated when
the case kind of first became public, that somehow he was
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just, let's just say, an innocent bystander to a cosmic
hit and run. And people argued that in the
UFO community they're like, well, you know, the aliens, the
people flying the UFO's, They probably didn't mean to do this
to him, right? But the truth is the setting
where the events take place. The town of Arasigama is in
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reality known by everyone who lives there as a hotbed for high
strangeness with a long, well documented history of aggressive
paranormal encounters. This place is like an evil
Disneyland of high strangeness. But all anyone has been talking
about this whole time is a body farm in the parking lot.
All that said, this leads us to why we're using Pablo's article
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as our source. Well, Jao's case was made
internationally known in 1971 ata Brazilian UFO conference, when
it was hypothesized that he may have been the unwitting victim
of a UFO. By 1972, a witness to the
events, Arakei Gomied, was interviewed by Fernando Grossma,
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A ufologist researching the DOA case.
This interview then went on to become the widely accepted
narrative, the official story believers and skeptics alike
referenced when debating it, mostly because his research
became frankly the only source. That wasn't just news headlines
and hearsay. And that, my friends, is how we
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get to hunting chupacabras in 1997.
What? I love that you didn't know one.
8180, you got. I literally put that in the
script. I'm like, this is where Joey
will probably say something because you got me like that in
the past. Damn it.
But it's true. We know each other.
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Yeah, God damn it. It's true.
Like, literally a 180. Like, cool, Let's talk about
this guy who got melted like that cheddar cheese that I put
on my nachos when I'm in the man.
You're just making me hungry by saying it sounds bad by the
chalupa chupacabra. Oh, OK.
Chupacabra. Yeah, not chalupas chupacabra.
But going from there to there islike a complete 180.
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But it might not be. It 100% makes sense.
And again, I swear to God, if anybody at any point thinks that
I'm just trying to be goofy or then I'm exaggerating, read the
first two paragraphs of the source material for this
episode. Which, by the way, is the most
official source material for this case, right?
This shit gets mentioned. What I'm about to say, it gets
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mentioned. And yes, they were there hunting
Chupacabras now. So Grossman's interview was in
1972, right? Well, Fast forward now to 1997.
Decades later, Pablo and Clado are sharing a cheap hotel room
in Aresigama. This is where you can queue in
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some like, I don't know, some like dark, investigative, like
noir kind of music, like Pablo and Clado are sharing a cheap
hotel room in Aresigama. I don't know.
That sounds like it's turning into a roommate's novel.
Hold. Hold on, Joe and.
Not not a UFO conference. I'm still reading They were in
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the area to investigate a stringof Chupacabra incidents.
Clado had just stepped out of the shower and was trying off.
There it goes. This is true.
This is what he said in the report.
No, but. But seriously, I'll reread that.
Keep that part in if you want, Joey.
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But yeah, so. They met us, basically.
So Grossman's interview was in 1972, right?
Well, Fast forward now to 1997. Cue the music.
Pablo and Clado are sharing a cheap hotel room in the other
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Segama. They were in the area to
investigate. A string of Chupacabra reports
Clado had just stepped out of the shower and was drying off
when he noticed a newspaper. The last folks left in the
quote? Grimy bathroom stop music.
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I swear I'm not making this up. Read the first two paragraphs.
That is literally like a perfectparaphrase of what they say.
And it is, it is literally accurate.
He's like, like at one point Pablo says he's like, so we're
in this hotel room and Claudio gets out of the shower and now I
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have a Japanese guy reading Portuguese to me translating.
And he's telling me all about itdoes literally happen.
And they did say, quote Grammy bathroom.
Now anyways, he sees a name, right?
So Claudio sees a name as he's stepping in the shower, sees his
old newspaper, sees a name on the paper's obituary, and it
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rings a bell. Prestas picks it up and he
starts reading it. Quote The esteemed Roque prestas
died at 91 years of age on the April 6th at his home in this
city. He was the brother of of Joa
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Praestas, deceased. And quote now this obituary went
on to give the name of Joa Praestas's nephew, who
eventually we find out happens to still be alive and lives
basically right down the street from the hotel that these two
Ufologists are staying at. This is big.
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They're, they're, they're they're there for Chupacabra.
We all know UF O's are real Chupacabra.
Debatable, right? But then so there he's like,
holy shit right now. Keep in mind too, this case is
honestly like the black sheep ofUfology, right?
Everyone who is into UF O's at the time knew about it because
it's like, honestly, it's kind of like the way it goes is if
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somebody through the absolutely horrendous stories from a scene
in like Hiroshima, like witness statement, right.
They mix that together with a scene from Hellraiser into a
bowl and started stirring it up.And by they I mean an alien was
mixing these scenes together like this.
This is some of the descriptionsthat come out of this are
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absolutely like horrifying and they're scarring okay.
And in terms of UFO history and like for UFO nerds and
everything, like myself, it stands out as just kind of like
a, I don't know where the fuck to put that one, you know?
So yeah, basically what ends up happening is they got super
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excited, couldn't sleep, and completely forgot about
chupacabra hunting. That's that's what happens with
that portion of the story that makes sense, again, directly in
the research. Yeah, includes a little bit too
much personal information in it,but it's so good stuff.
He's describing the towel that he walked out of the bathroom
with. I believe he's Egyptian cotton,
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Gyptian cotton, 9000 fiber, thread count.
The only thing that ufologists love more than cryptids is
obsessively, obsessively researching and documenting
everything, it's explicit timeline and the exact placement
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of Venus at the time in an eventlike, I think part of that is
due to like an allergic reactionto like let's just say like
debunkers. Just being like that was the
international speed station thatflew by about 3 hours later.
Actually, the witness was hallucinating that along with
the people getting picked up in their car, along with multiple
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other times that this has happened across the village and
about 400 people saw it. Yeah, and so like you have all
just have gotten like they're like I need to know the exact
2nd and they're like, I think itwas 730.
They're like, God damn it woman,I need to know.
The same amount of seconds? How many seconds?
730 and 30 seconds. Now I'm going to spend the next
14 hours measuring the perception of a second just so
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Craig doesn't have anything to say on Facebook.
Go like yeah, that's pretty muchyeah, yeah.
I love, I love my UFO community.I am.
I am actively in the process of becoming a move on field
investigator in my free time. Just FYI.
Love the fuck out of the nerdiness, but like, you gotta
learn to laugh at yourself. Y'all like we're fucking nerds
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now. This and this story by the way
is basically a case in like goodresearch secret lesson.
The next day they call up the nephew 61 year old Roque
priestess who by the way is still mourning the death of his
father. But regardless they end up going
over to his house where they would eventually go on to
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interview him about the traumatic death of his uncle
Joa. In hindsight, this may have been
bad timing, but it happened and they broke open a controversial
case, so. Yeah, yeah.
I guess 1/2 does the other. Yeah, it kind of works out I
guess. Anyways, OK, Priestess who was
nine at the time of his uncle's death, right?
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This was 51 years earlier. Doesn't matter though, because
he was still able to give them more accurate information, if
not more family known details about what really went down
leading up the Jaw's death. But not only did he give more
details, he also gave them info about other paranormal events
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and violent encounters that happened over the years, some of
them almost identical to what happened to his uncle.
Moving on from there, though, I want to kind of sorry, just to
backtrack a little bit, I want to kind of bounce between this.
Like I guess you would say it's like a side quest, right?
And I'll kind of get into some details at the end about why
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it's a side quest and how it alldevelops.
But these interviews, the side comments in them add up over
time. I've removed them from the
script until the very end so that we can have basically 2
plots. You're stuck with me unless you
hit stop. Please don't hit stop.
Also, rate and review us for five stars.
If not, if you don't like us, why are you even spending the
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time doing it? That's really unhealthy for for
your life and stuff. Well.
We're about to go in like a goosebumps choose Your Own
Adventure, except for instead ofchoosing gills, choosing for
you. So you'll see both sides of this
railway railway that we are going on.
If you're a real fan of the show, you got really excited all
day about this release and honestly you fell asleep by now
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listening to it. I do the same thing with my
favorite podcasts and thank you.Yeah.
Thank you. Now, on March 4th in 1946, Joe
is making his way back home froma long day of successfully
avoiding all the local celebrations of Carnival.
Barefoot with a smile, he strolled down the familiar dirt
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roads through the quiet, pitch black evening on the outskirts
of town. Although it was late, everyone,
including his family, were stillin town partying and enjoying
the annual festivals just the same, as they were what he had
left that morning to go fishing.But Joe wasn't alone.
Far from it. He was carrying enough fish to
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feed not only himself, but his wife and six children.
Once they had all returned back to their modest home, which,
much to Joe's annoyance, had thelights off and was locked when
he arrived. Well, without his keys, I can
only assume he did what everyonedoes when they first start to
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realize they're locked out. You keep trying to turn the
doorknob, hoping maybe the firsttime you did it wrong.
I don't know, maybe that's just me, but you're just like, what?
No, no, no. You're.
Bashing a windows the next. Almost.
He almost gets there. But but yeah, so kept trying
anyways. Eventually I'm assuming said
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damn. And then did what everybody does
start thinking about how to break into your own house.
Yep. This everybody has been here.
I'm reading. He's.
He's pretty pissed, honestly, because he's like, I've been out
here fishing all day. My family just went to fucking
carnival without me. They're out at carnival.
He's specifically, I have this section in my own personal notes
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labeled I hate festivals or I Hate Carnival.
He like everybody referenced thefact that he hated, like events
like this, like large festivals,large public gatherings and
shit. He would intentionally be like,
well, I'm going over here and just like fucking leave.
So his family in the morning, I'm assuming it was like a, you
know, breakfast discussion kind of thing.
Like, we all go to the carnival today and they're like, yeah,
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and he's like, well, guess I'll go fishing and then just fucking
get, you know, it's. Probably like I need a day away
from my six kids. Jesus Christ.
So yeah. So anyways, starts trying to
figure out how to break into hishouse.
Well, luckily Fred Doha, he managed to find an unlocked
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window and was able to awkwardlycrawl in.
Literally. We've all been there.
If you are in your 30s right now, at some point in your life
you've done this for yourself, other people, or a crime that I
don't want you to tell me about,but you should message us.
Contact that Black cat report for our Confessions episode I'm
putting together. Yes.
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We can't wait to put that together.
Allegedly. Allegedly.
Well. Hungry and not sure when
everyone would be back, he prepped his catch and started
getting everything ready to cook.
Now keep in mind this was the 1940s in a rural town.
He didn't have an air fryer. So what was he to do?
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Gathered wood and began stackingit into his family's wood fire
stove, his pot of fish sitting on top, ready for the boil.
It was then. In the brief moments between Joe
of filling the stove, lighting the fire that an intense light
flooded in through the same window he had just crawled
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through with his intention consumed by the light, Joe has
stood frozen as the quote fiery torch entered through the
window. Damn.
Suddenly every cell in his body began twisting with the sting of
fire, a pain so unbearable and so intense he dropped to the
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floor, paralyzed to do anything but writhe in agony as the light
hovered over him in the room. Well, it's unknown how long the
scene actually lasted. What we do know is Joa still
consumed by pain as every cell in his body was burning.
Managed to stand up and reach the front door, only to realize
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his hands were completely paralyzed and contorted, his
fingers and wrists twisted at just every fucking weird angle
you can imagine. He then realizing this, he then
had to use his teeth to move andopen the door latch to get out.
He was just screaming and pain the whole damn time.
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Once outside, things got worse. With his body completely
wrecked, Joe I had to stumble through the dark barefoot, his
feet being caught by sharp rockswith every step as he cried for
help into an empty neighborhood.No, when you hear the
description later that people will give, you'll know why.
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I'm saying this wasn't anything short of a miracle, but somehow,
Joe, I managed to make. A nearly mile and a half long
walk to his sister's house in town, and it was here that
Vergil Francisco Alves saw him, which he outlined.
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When our uovologist interviewed him, he said yes.
My cousin Emiliano priestess, who was my neighbor, called me
over. When I got to Maria's house, I
found Joa Malikis, the sheriff, speaking to Joa.
I know there's a lot of Joa's, alot of names.
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He was in bed and having problems with his tongue.
His skin, which was fair, was toasted reddish as he as as if
he had been roasted. His his hands and his face had
the worst burns. The hands were twisted.
His hair didn't burn. Nor did his feet, nor his
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clothing. He was only burned from the
waist up. His feet were torn up from
running barefoot on sharp rocks.Later on at the Joe was admitted
to the hospital, he would spend somewhere between 6:00 to 9:00
hours decomposing in front of everyone.
His skin was literally falling off of his body.
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His muscles were exposed and eventually.
His jaw fell off over like this is like a 12/14 hour period.
He went from being totally fine and healthy.
I think his age was estimated tobe like late 30s, maybe like
early early 40s, like 4041, something like that.
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Totally healthy guy. And in one evening, this
happened to him. He just became a grilled cheese.
Yeah, they they literally call him the Melting man because like
everything started falling off of him.
And the what they called the orderly who worked at the
hospital at the time, right. Who they eventually, or sorry,
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who was first interviewed and set this whole story in motion.
He he he explained it as basically Joe was just like
decomposing. Rapidly in front of them, like
straight up, he was decomposing,although he did make a
reference, which I've seen enough times to feel comfortable
repeating it. They said that basically the
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last hour that he was alive, he had a demeanor or an expression
of like being comfortable or at peace, which.
Based off of what they're describing makes me think that
all of the nerve endings in his body had probably died and he
just couldn't feel anything. Also, that last hour he didn't
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even have a jaw on his face. I don't know how they're
judging. He's comfortable.
Well, I think. I think they asked him if
they're like Joe, if you're comfortable, can you give us a
thumbs up? And he tried, but he didn't have
thumbs anymore. So they were just like, Oh no.
Sorry about it. OK, that might come across as a
bad joke, but that also literally might have been true.
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No, that's probably true. It's really sad.
Oh my God. This is so fucked up, dude.
This guy seems like a really, really, really just like, nice
guy who's just. I don't know.
It's a fuck again. This is the black sheep of,
like, UFO cases, right? Like, there's there's a reason
why they were like, holy shit, that dude, they're related to
that dude. Like, and they got excited.
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And they they got so excited they forgot about Chupacabras.
OK, that's pretty excited. Yeah, that that's amazing.
Honestly, it just sounds like hegot like, super radiation burns.
Exactly. Complete radiation, just like.
100 percent, 100%. And if you look into folks
trying to explain the situation just like nowadays, like looking
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into like to say Reddit commentsor like post on random forms and
stuff, people bring that up and then the other folks on the
other side will come back with. Here is the case study of these
individuals, who are the only known humans to survive the
largest burst of radiation and the way that their bodies were
affected. You're talking like days and
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days or like weeks. You're not talking about like a
handful of hours. This shit was like speed up
times 20. He got put in a microwave is
what it sounds like. He just got put in a microwave
and you just watch him turning, melting as he's going.
This is crazy. I also need to emphasize here,
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this is one year, one year before the atomic bomb test.
This is 1946, the atomic bomb test. 1947, right?
The Kenneth Arnold sighting right of like, what do you
basically explained to saucers skipping along da da da da da up
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in Washington state and the reporter like, misconstrued it
and called them flying saucers. Literally, the situation that
made flying saucers a household term, a household phrase didn't
happen for like, another year and a half.
The atomic bomb wasn't invented for another year.
This was before all of that shit.
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It's so crazy. This is, yeah.
And it's like, and it's so fucking isolated, right?
It's so just like, right there in a house in person.
Yeah, it's just one person too. It's like, not.
Yeah, it's like his house turnedinto an air fryer, which weren't
even invented. Yet exactly no.
But this is like. This is fucking gruesome.
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I'm sorry, but this is like scary as fuck, like around this
kind of shit. Like we go out locally, Joey and
I, and like Betsa Bay, we'll go look for the Brown Mountain
Lights. Now they seem a little bit more
nefarious now they seem a littlebit more edgy.
Like, I don't know, I'm a littlebit scared of them now.
If they ZAP you when you start melting as you're walking back
to your back, walking back to the campsite, and you're just
like you're sitting by the fire,you have your, you know, you
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have your cup, you know, with your whatever you want, your
coffee, your liqueur in it, Moscow liquor, Moscow Mule
brought. Yeah, Yep, yeah.
You're sitting there and you're you're roasting your
marshmallows and then you turn into one of those marshmallows,
which is just freaking horrifying.
Yeah, you know, don't know wheremy skin ends and where the
marshmallow starts exactly. Yeah, I mean, like that's normal
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before the marshmallow is roasted, but in that particular
situation, that's horrifying. Yeah, when you just melt into a,
you become a S'more. Yeah.
As I said though, there was an orderly there that eventually
was, like interviewed. He was the one that was
interviewed in 1972, right? So it was the orderlies
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perspective of the situation, what he understood as the story
leading up to Dog being in a hospital bed, decomposing in
front of him over the course of like a handful of hours.
Pretty fucking traumatic for anybody, even somebody that
works at a hospital. It was his perspective that
defined how everybody heard the story, right?
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Because he was the person that like that the ufologist was able
to find reference, interview, all that jazz and that became
the official report. Now something interesting that
he said. And this is something that was
repeated by other folks that were interviewed by by our boys,
right, for this story, for the references.
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Other than just saying over and over again repeating what had
happened to him, he also kept saying that the light was quote
otherworldly. So before his jaw fell off, Dad
said before his jaw fell off, hetold everybody he could, from
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from his sister Maria's house tothe long ass like car ride
there. Right to the hospital, he kept
repeating, it came in through the window.
It da, da, da, da, da, I, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Like he kept repeating exactly what the fuck happened to him.
He was this dude was in shock constantly and he was just kept
repeating it. So this is where, like skeptics
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and stuff like that, like can't actually argue because they're
just like, no, it was a this andthen they're like.
But the victim literally said itfor 12 hours that that's not
what it what like, that's a strong case.
And then with the way his body decomposed, which is frankly the
only time I've ever heard of that happening to a body in such
a short period of time, this case stands out.
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And since it's attached to potentially UFO's, again, it's
the black sheep. Now, as we all know, and as I've
said, 4,000,000 times he dies, he passes away.
Obviously, right. So this leads us to the police
investigation. Now, again, based off of the the
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more updated interviews, the ones from 97.
Nothing. There was nothing.
The police went into the house, literally nothing was burned.
Nothing had a single scorch markon it.
Everything was totally fine. Furthermore, and to back up what
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I guess would be his or it was his second cousin when his
second cousin said. Even when he died in the
hospital with his skin falling off and all that and everything
was clearly burned on his body, his hair and his clothes.
Totally fucking fine. Immaculate.
You could even say. Yeah.
Pressed. No.
But yeah, so, so that kind of goes on par with like there was
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nothing singed or burned in his house, but.
Very, very understandably. His wife and his six kids were
horrified at the idea of going back to the house.
They refused. Who the fuck would you know if
it was there? Why can't it still be there?
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Whatever happened to him, you know?
Yeah. And so this all led up to, I
guess it'd be 30 years afterwards.
Well, immediately the police ordered the house to be
condemned. Obviously some wackadoo shit
just happened and then ultimately it was demolished in
the 1960s so can't really go check it.
(33:01):
Yeah, yeah. I wonder though if they could
have gone with the Geiger counter a little later, like
maybe 25-6 years later and just checked it out to see if it was
some kind of radiation. Even with their even with their
the house being demolished, theystill could have, they could
have registered some radiation if that's what it was.
I mean, who knows, This is seemslike it.
(33:24):
You, I mean, you can literally go submit this idea to like UFO
researchers, Joey, because, likeit's a great idea to go dig into
that. And frankly, as we're about to
hear like it's a great idea justto go visit this area and hang
out for about a month if you can.
Hey, well, you are going to be the move on investigator.
So I've been pitching to you right now.
Shit, that means I need to go fund me account.
(33:45):
Future Guil, Future Guil, FutureGuil, you know, But yeah, so you
know, the place was condemned and it was demolished in the 60s
and that was something that the,the ufologist Grossmont, like,
had discovered after he interviewed the orderly, right,
Was he's like, where's the houseat?
And they're like, oh, well, thisis that and this is that.
(34:05):
So that was already documented. OK, but with all that done?
It didn't stop or even slow the encounters in this area now.
So what I was saying about all this high strangeness that was
going on and why this case shouldn't just be narrowed down
to just Joe of like, decomposing.
(34:28):
Because frankly, the way the story was told and the way the
story is generally told is this just the moment of, like, him
stepping into town, falling apart and dying and repeating a
bunch of stuff about seeing lights.
Right. It's it's like it's just the
very, very, very end of the story.
Well, if you recall so far, Claudio and Pablo, the ufologist
(34:51):
turned chupacabra hunters turnedufologist again have interviewed
Joe's nephew and his second cousin.
Well, in their pursuit of the full story, they wanted to find
Joe's grave, which led them to two more interviews, one with
the Corky local historian named Hermes Dafosseca.
(35:11):
And one with a gravedigger namedNelson Oliveira, who took them
right to Joe's final resting place.
Now, with the full story mapped out, Claudio and Pablo began
cross referencing each interview.
All the random facts, the statements and the stories that
were thrown in along the way. Right.
(35:32):
So they're recording all these interviews.
They noted them from the start specifically because of one
thing. Joe's nephew Luis Presta said,
quote, he thinks that the small town might be a window area, a
(35:52):
flap, a little bit more than a flap.
It's a flap and a flop and a flip, but so?
So when they were interviewing Luis about his uncle's death, he
said back then people would constantly see fireballs.
Known as a word I can't pronounce in Portuguese, which
(36:14):
means ghosts in Aragama and its vicinity.
I'm so sorry everybody, I reallytry my best here and that some
believed they came from the goldmine that is now closed.
Other weird things would happen to this is all still the quote.
(36:35):
My late father told us that around 1922.
He was able to see a wolf man while with my grandfather and an
uncle. My uncle apparently threw a rock
at it and hit its hand. The next day, a neighbor turned
up with his hand, bandaged. What?
(36:57):
Right. So there's some local tea now.
Yeah, this was their first interview again, like.
He was Louis. He was.
He was nine at the time, and he openly admitted at the time
that, like his parents protectedhim from being able to see his
Uncle Joe. They were like, Nope, fuck no,
you're not seeing that. Like, they knew it would be
(37:17):
scarring. They knew it would be
traumatizing. He was able to get a brief
glimpse of him before he made itto the hospital at that point in
time. He basically just looked
completely toasted. His body was inflamed.
He was starting to swell. But it and horrifying, like,
absolutely horrifying just on its own, but not as horrifying
(37:41):
as it would get. So he just got, you know,
partially scarred more or less from it, for sure.
He probably just saw what lookedlike Donald Trump.
Orange. Glowing.
Yeah. Very, very bloated.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's kind of. It was pretty accurate,
actually. Joy, Yeah.
Now, on top of that, right leastwent on to add quote, something
(38:06):
equally scary happened to Emiliano Prestes, my uncle and
Joe Prestes's brother. A few months after his brother's
tragic death, Emiliano was walking through Otter Megara
forest in another place I can't pronounce.
I'm so sorry. Look at the show notes.
The same. The same one.
(38:28):
From which the Wolfman appeared in 1922 and where the light
burned Doa, a fiery torch appeared above him, causing him
to run to a canyon's edge. When the thing fell on him, all
he could do was kneel and pray for his life.
He told us that he felt an intense heat, but luckily the
fiery torch moved away and vanished.
(38:52):
That's crazy that that happened to him too.
Going on, he had also included in the interview.
I wanted to break this up because these stories should be
told in tangent, right? Yeah, yeah.
Quote. The lights were seen most
frequently between 3:00 and 4:00in the morning and were three or
(39:13):
four times larger than the moon.People would feel their heat and
at even a distance, and they were able to move amazingly
fast. My father stopped going to
parties at night because of these lights.
That's crazy. Now from the second interview.
The plot thickened further when during the second interview,
(39:36):
Vergilio Francisco Alvez said, well, Joel was a cattle driver.
He was still young and lived with his father in Autor Magara.
One day at sundown, as he led the donkeys over a hill, he saw
a fire that fell from the sky. A fireball.
(39:57):
It was near a Chapel that had a cross, and he could see the
fireball passing him, almost knocking him down.
Joel would tell me. At that spot, you could
sometimes see 10 to 12 balls emerging from the sky.
Some of them were red, others moon colored.
Sometimes five or six of them would fall to the ground and
explode. People would call them boitata
(40:19):
lights. Now As for that word which I'm
struggling with pronouncing. It's a local word.
It's a native word. An indigenous word for, quote,
mysterious lights that would pursue and even kill the native
Indians. End Quote.
Now here's the things. These Boe Tata were referenced
(40:41):
and recorded as far back as the 16th century by a priest named
Jose Dan Cheetah. So, like they, they have a long
history in the region. And that's just when the priest
got to the area, like 15 hundreds, right?
They got there and eventually itbecame so well known that it got
(41:02):
documented right. But that also means that there
was a longstanding existence of the folklore and the legend and
the accounts of this before that.
It's not just like the priest went.
I mean, maybe this priest was really into, you know,
paranormal shit and he's like, oh, I'm going to write that
down. Odds are it was like he had
other shit to do, and eventuallyit became enough of a situation
(41:24):
or situation became loud enough that he actually documented it,
but that that says something. It's been going back for that
damn long. In 1957, it got really big again
when Jerry Lee Lewis released Great Balls of Fire.
That's true. Goodness gracious, he he went
down there and saw him and that's where.
(41:46):
That's where he got the song from.
I was going to make a quote, butI'm not.
Now you shake my nerves and you read on my brain.
Do, do, do now, please don't putthat in.
Now continuing on though, Reggaehimself witnessed the apparition
(42:08):
of one of these lights which emerged from behind the mountain
where the gold mine was and landed on Mount Sabol, which I'm
assuming is a local nickname forit because I could not find it
anywhere, but that's what's documented, so that's what I'm
going with. Anyways, back to the quote,
another hill where strange lights always appear.
(42:28):
Quoting him now, we also called those fireballs Madres de Oro
Mothers of Gold. There was also the golden
lizard, an elongated tongue of flame that moved in a straight
line slowly without making a sound.
This is a lot of fucking weird shit.
I just want to throw that out there.
(42:50):
I mean it still reminds me todaythat they keep seeing stuff in
Brazil, similar things talking about near gold mines is what
they're near mines in the area and they keep.
Just stuff keeps happening around these areas.
So it's kind of weird. And they're like dangerous
things because people are being killed by these things.
Yeah. So it's nuts to think about
that. Like in a lot of other areas,
(43:12):
and I know we talked about this,is that especially in South
America, they have, it feels like they have such dangerous
Ufo's that a lot of them are just being murdered or killed.
You know, like a lot of the natives, a lot of the people in
the area and you know, in the US, we're just getting abducted.
You know, most people aren't dying.
They're getting killed by people.
They're getting killed by killedby their own people.
(43:32):
I came across them. Reminds me, I came across a
random Reddit comment while I was looking for sources and
stuff and somebody just said Goddamn aliens are racist against
Brazilian. Those.
Seriously, there are the mortals.
(43:53):
That was hilarious to me after reading all of them.
It sucks. Like, I don't know if they just
like the whatever, if there's like a confederation of aliens
that were allowed to come to theplanet to abduct or do
experiments and they were just like, well, you know, like this,
the evil, like crazy aliens are just like, yeah, all Brazil,
(44:14):
we're going there. They got the coolest parties,
you know, and they're all just like doing a line of coke.
You know, partying for carnival.I don't know.
Just ready to go. Like, just okay.
Cool. Just stab him real quick.
All right, ZAP him with a laser.I don't know.
It just seems like they got the the most violent aliens.
Well okay yes, but also no. So there there is one thing that
(44:41):
I've noticed which is generally in very, very rural areas that
are what we would even consider like a resource dense areas,
right. That tends to be in very
desolate resource dense areas tends to be where more
aggressive or just outright violent encounters like happen
(45:06):
all around the world. Yeah, right.
Like, even go back to one of themost famous abduction stories in
history, Travis Walton. Fire in the sky like they're out
in the middle of fucking nowhere.
Like chopping down trees. Oh, that's right.
Yeah, right. Go back to the Mojave incident
again, literally in the middle of the Mojave Desert.
Yep. Oh, true.
(45:29):
Like a lot of these cases happenin the middle of bum fuck
nowhere, right? And so it only makes sense to me
at least like combining that with other stuff and trying to
make sense whatever that when you have a lot of small
communities or even just like small tribes that are spread out
(45:49):
making very very like low impact, especially with tribes
like low impact to the to the local ecology, then encounters
would increase, right? And that the pattern would
continue. I don't know.
I it's just something I noticed,like generally when somebody's
abducted in the middle of nowhere, shit gets wild.
(46:11):
Even Whitley Strieber communion,right?
He lived in the middle of fucking nowhere with his wife
and had this crazy ass like security system set up all
around his house. I mean, he openly emitted
himself. He's like, yeah, I'm super
paranoid. I had cameras everywhere, like
and he lived in the middle of nowhere and look what happened
to him. You know, like shit's generally
not good when they just, you know, catch you off guard in the
(46:33):
middle of nowhere. But.
I guess so. So, no.
But yeah, resources man, apparently it just makes
anything violent. Makes them go crazy crazy now
moving on though. So now we're under the third
interview. Some statements come from that
Hermes Defoseca quote. In 1955 I worked on the
(46:57):
construction of a cable car in the Santa Rita cement factory.
It was supposed to be used to transport rock from a local
quarry. It was August 24th of that year,
and the heat was unbearable whenmyself and other workers saw an
object drifting in the blue sky as large as a truck tire, very
(47:19):
tall, aluminum colored, spinningand giving off smoke circles of
white. We saw it at 11:15 and by 12:00
five or six acronym. But it was Brazilian Air Force
airplanes arrived. They were smaller than the
flying wheel which distance itself easily from the planes.
(47:41):
On the following day, the Fulla de Sao Paulo newspaper published
an article about the fact that thousands of people from Osaka,
which is near this area, had seen a flying saucer with the
exact same characteristics. Yeah, so give some shit in the
(48:05):
distance. Literally looks like truck tire
mess, you know, semi tire out there.
But then you see fighter jets asreference and you're like, oh,
they look like dots. That's.
Huge. And then it just completely out
maneuvers them and then way overin another area.
It's like, Oh yeah, now thousands of people just
(48:26):
witnessed that again, this is like 11:30 in the morning, 12
noon. This wasn't at night, this was
in the morning. This is that's like noon going
on. He also said in 1960, Celiso
Gomed, a bus driver, was on his way from Sao Roque when he saw a
red light that caused him to stop the vehicle.
(48:49):
The light approached the cabin and gomed, frightened, began to
pray. The passengers were stunned by
the uncanny light which encircled them.
There's some 20 minutes, so now we have a bus full of people.
Damn, just being like there's another alien, There's another
(49:10):
UFO. Yeah, a bus full of people that
saw it, along with thousands of people that saw a UFO in the
area. There's multiple I got, I got
over trying to add in all the Dog Man sightings, but there's a
bunch of dog Man sightings in here.
So now moving up again 1993 in the same region as as a sorry.
(49:34):
In 1993 in the same region at a place called Lila Ranch, 12 year
old Regine Barbarossa De Silva watched as a 15 foot sphere
hovered around before it shot her with a yellow beam of light.
Quote After the event Regina experienced headaches and eye
(49:55):
irritation. Which End Quote by the way?
Eye irritation. Super super super common for
close encounters with Ufo's likespecifically shit.
What's that called? I should know this.
What is Pink Eye technically called?
I forget I. Don't remember.
Damn it. Damn it.
Damn it. Anyways, basically pink eye.
(50:17):
Yeah, pink eye isn't just causedby poo particles.
I know. That's what we're all taught.
It's also caused by Ufo's, but no like.
Oddly enough though, what is it?Conjunctivitis.
Conjunctivitis. Thank you.
Yes. Yeah.
So conjunctivitis is actually not just caused by poo particles
or somebody farting on a pillow.Not only, not only yes, yes, but
(50:44):
it's also, oddly enough, heavilyassociated with and heavily
documented to occur in folks after close encounters with
Ufo's. Like people that look like
there's a couple things. So people that see a craft very
close, like up close, a lot of times they'll have more or less
like a weird kind of sunburn on the side of their body that was
(51:07):
facing whatever wherever the craft was right?
And within a day or so, they'll develop conjunctivitis Pink Eye
6. So the the UFO pooped in your
eye, the folk came in and shit all.
Over him, pooped in your eye. But that also again is part of
(51:29):
radiation poisoning. Cuz you know, when you know
watching Oppenheimer, when you see that they talked about how
people put their hands in front of their face when the what is
it, a Hiroshima happened, they put their hand in their face.
And behind it, their hands will be baked, but then they move
their hand and their face would be like they got sunburned.
(51:52):
Like they held their hand there just because of how quick the
radiation came through and just torched it.
And it's like the power basically harnessing the power
of the sun. And maybe in a way that's what
the UF O's are doing, because obviously you're saying they're
sun baked. They're just harnessing the
power of the sun. I maybe that that is the closest
thing to it, but like. If my rational mind thinks about
(52:14):
it, you know, just like, you know, going into it, just
thinking about it, that is. And that's why I like.
I think that that's part. Honestly, this is like part of
the reason why. Like anytime there's like a UFO
incident and like potentially 1 landed in a field or whatever,
nerds like me or at least me someday get to go out there with
Geiger counters and be like, what time was it at?
(52:34):
No, exactly. Tell me what time it was.
God damn it. You said 9:15 is.
Was it 13 or 14? You know, like.
If there's things that UFO researchers are very good at,
it's reading the room when they're trying to ask questions.
Exactly. Yes, I blame.
(52:55):
I blame the skeptics. Yes.
It is their fault, yes. We're just gonna ignore the fact
that I work in spreadsheets for a living, yes.
No data analysis for you? No, no, no, no.
But but that, yeah, that is that's like part of the whole
rationale is like what you just said, like there's so many, let
(53:15):
me say like side effects from like close Encounters that have
been documented that radiation exposure makes sense.
It literally it starts to meet the list.
Where it doesn't meet the list is again our story.
Yeah, we're just melt 46. Yeah, but also a year before the
(53:35):
bomb was finished. Well, I mean, yeah, yeah, for
for that. They did not have many rural
living room size nukes in 1940. What I'm saying is that the
UFO's were the radiation poisoning, not.
Not just like somebody came in and just shot some radiation in
there. I'm just thinking that maybe the
(53:56):
Ufo's had radiation because of the propulsion system or because
of their way either blending in between realities depending on
what you believe it might be. Yeah, it might just be a
reaction from their propulsion system to the physics of our
reality. It's not even that like it
specifically causes that. It might not cause that, let's
(54:18):
say in the middle of nowhere, inspace, or let's say between
dimensions. It might not cause that at all.
But it might be almost similar to an elemental reaction, right?
Like there's some phosphorus andjust some water and see what
happens. Don't actually do that.
Please don't do that. The last sea of goggles on and
you're ready to smile because it's so much fun.
(54:39):
Now Joey's like cutting that out.
I'm leaving it in the eye, comesto your house and then you're
going to go back to that time stamp and you're going to be
like, see, I even said in case you came.
Yep, in case you came. I knew it.
No, but wait, wait there at yourhouse now.
(55:00):
Moving on though. So Regine, she got messed up,
right? It didn't say anything about her
dying, but she did have like terrible headaches and she
probably got really bad pink eye.
A few months after that, a guardat that exact same ranch watched
quote, 2 humanoids floating overa brook on the ranch's property.
(55:21):
Just floating humanoids. Humanoids.
Yeah. Specific word, Not humans, but
humanoids, No. Which is like they were shaped
like a human, but they weren't human.
You know, we have to do an episode on humanoid encounters.
Anyways. 1994 in the same ranch area, a couple, and this is all
like bright in the exact same spot.
(55:43):
Like we're talking about a very small area.
In 1994, same ranch area. A couple watched a quote,
spherical object measuring 3 meters.
How big is that? 69 feet, something like that.
About three feet in a meter in American Yard.
Yeah, So spherical object measuring 3 meters in diameter,
(56:06):
which floated between the trees and made no sound whatsoever.
It was red in color and was darker at its core.
Its periphery was surrounded by several smaller blinking lights,
alternating between blue and red.
Just fucking weird, right? Yeah, yeah, very weird.
(56:27):
Like I've I've heard about orbs.I've heard about different kinds
of orbs, and like their level ofthread or interaction.
I've never heard about, like, a sphere orb with tiny little orbs
flooding around it and blinking different colors.
But now, in that same year, three kids in the exact same
(56:48):
area that Dodd died reportedly saw what they described as a
glowing UFO floating just 50 feet above them in the backyard
of a house. Same neighborhood.
Later, an elderly Japanese womanwho spent her youth in Santa de
(57:09):
Para Niba. Again, sorry for butchering.
This told one of the ufologists that she had seen 1/2 wolfman,
half Centaur being in the vicinity.
This is just Skinwalker Ranch here in Brazil.
This is basically Brazilian Skinwalker Ranch.
(57:30):
Yeah. Yeah.
It's like all these things. Well, yeah.
And also with the dead person, you know, like sadly, you know,
and I feel like they had to conclude their research paper
like this just because of that steamy start it, said San Roque.
Again, general area has also experienced one of the most
(57:50):
intense waves of Chupacabra activity in all of South
America. Good.
Well, there you go. I love this paper because it's a
perfect example of, like, me writing an episode where it's
like, all right, gonna do a dudegetting written, getting melted
by Ufo's Chupacabra centaurs. We finally found it going off,
(58:10):
but. I thought they at the end, we're
gonna say and and and this, thisarea finally had the 2 greatest
UFO researchers ever in the world of all in never hit me on
Patreon now. Now.
Yeah. So there's obviously a lot of
(58:32):
orbs, right? And there there's literally more
in that report. And if you just Google it,
there's way more that show up inthis general area.
Right. And with that, there's a case I
was researching which led me to this topic, by the way, with
government reports between 2014 and 2016.
(58:52):
Also in Brazil, where there weremultiple encounters with orb,
sometimes way up in the sky, other times just floating into
the area where people were sleeping, doing stuff like
flashing them with beams of light, people reported
paralysis. There was government
investigations and a bunch of other interesting stuff, so I'm
(59:14):
still researching what happened,but we will be covering it in a
future episode. That said, I wanted to do this
case on purpose, right? I wanted to do this case because
first in 1946, there were no drones, right?
Flashlights frankly weren't thatbright.
(59:35):
Half the area, half the areas that this is happening in don't
have any type of municipal like electricity.
Like these are very rural areas.The atomic bomb hadn't been
invented yet. It was a year out, frankly.
And like they were working theirasses off.
It wasn't like, well, maybe theytested it.
No, no they didn't. They basically had it ready and
(59:58):
like set up the test within likea couple weeks.
They were like, okay, we're ready.
Like they were rushed. So that didn't happen.
It wasn't planes, it wasn't drones, it wasn't somebody with
a flashlight. It wasn't drug cartels that were
also running an organ harvestingmining operation and had jetpack
dudes or boots like the Peruviangovernment is saying.
(01:00:19):
It's going on right? This is way the hell before
that. And I wanted to give a solid
context to not only that this was documented and somebody died
because of it, but that there isa history going back to the
1600s explaining these types of events.
(01:00:39):
Right. And I hope that this, yeah.
Gives context to our listeners, but also helps everyone of us
give a middle finger to debunkers saying it's drones.
I I just honestly, that's what Ireally wanted.
Yeah, take that. Dumb bunkers.
Fuck you, Mick W Now, I don't know who that is, but yeah, I
(01:01:02):
do. Anyways, in conclusion, memories
of events, though sometimes sharp, cannot Pierce through the
shielding of a watchful parent and family who's trying to
protect a child from being scared as it with a nephew who
gave one portion of the story. Or, frankly, those same parents
(01:01:23):
and adults may themselves be in shock.
Adults trying to understand whatthey saw, processing an
unfamiliar situation while at the same time struggling to
answer a kids question. A lot can be said about this,
and even more to the weight of time on the scale of
perceptions, but the body of truth remains regardless.
(01:01:47):
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