November 12, 2024 • 30 mins
Today on the Black Heels and Tractor Wheels Podcast we have a great chat with Greer Paterson ✨
Greer lives on the Chatham Islands and provides us with an outlook of how truly unique and different Island life is. She talks us through the first moment she landed on the Chatham Islands, having never heard of it, or been there before she arrived. Her original plans changed and 6 years in, she is still on the Island 🏝
Greer really opens our eyes to how remote life is on the Island. We discuss some examples of seemingly ordinary activities like grocery shopping and planning for a birth take on a whole new meaning. We usually speak about rural and remote living, but this is really next level 🙌
Greer is so candid with her personal story and thoughtfully gives her perspective on how to overcome challenges and to develop a resilient mindset 🩷
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Black heels and tracked Wheels.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Rural Women and Zed podcast hosted by Emma Higgins
and Claire Williamson.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Today on the podcast, we have such a great chat
with Grea Patterson. Grea lives on the Chatham Islands and
so in today's chat, she provides us with a download
of how truly unique and different island life is.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
She talks us through the first moments she landed on
the Chatham Islands, having never heard of it or been
there before she arrived, along with how her original plans
changed and how she ended up staying for what has
now been six years.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Grea really opens our eyes to how remote life is
on the island. We discuss some examples of seemingly ordinary
activities like grocery shopping and planning for a birth take
on a whole new meaning on the island. Now on
this podcast we usually speak about rural and remote living,
but this is really next level.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Grea is so candid with her personal story and thoughtfully
gives her perspective on how to overcome challenges and to
develop a resilient mindset.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The way that we start these is broadly just to
discuss a bit of your upbringing, so greer. Tell us
a little bit about how you came to be on
the Chatham Islands. Would are you a local?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh? Absolutely not, and I will about bruce Holm, I
call myself a local. I should say I would be
told off big time by the locals. A prime example
actually is that this morning I've been at our Wicause
versus Kiwis and your Netbool game and it's basically where
all the Chadum Islanders take on the non Cheddum Islanders
(01:39):
and nip and it's a burg rivalry and there's always
always arguments over where the people are Wakers and we're
there Kiwis. But I'm definitely a Kiwi through and through.
So yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
That is so amazing that you've got that clear distinction
and you know family which can.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
In and that's that.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
So there's no illusions about anything.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
No, definitely not.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Tell us a little bit about how you came to
the Chandum Islands and if you're not a local, how
did you end up there?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So I was actually, oh my god, it was coming
up six years ago now and I yeah, good girl.
And I actually came over with an ex partner of mine.
He took a farming job here on the chatterm. I
never even heard of the Channum Islands before I moved here.
(02:32):
Literally my first experience of the chattems or anything was
on Google and then stepping off the plane, it was
the first time I've been here. So we were here
for about six months, six or eight months, and his
farming jobs just didn't work out. He was ready to go,
wasn't enjoying it. I was teaching at school as a teacher.
(02:55):
I'm a qualified primary teacher, and yeah, I loved it here.
I wanted this at the school year. So I stayed
on and the riding was on the wall. I trusted
my gus and came back the following year, and now
I'm still here six years later.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, wow, that is incredible. Talk us through those first
moments we knew steeped off the plane and like, what
did that first week look like?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh my god, it was actually it was. I mean,
it feels like a long time ago, but I still remember.
I still remember driving from the airport, or it's even
arriving at the airport and the airport's literally just like
a building, like there's nothing to it, and they're bringing
your bags like outside on a fork left like just
on a on a pallette. Basically, there's no luggage valves,
(03:44):
there's no caphase or anything. It's just a building in
the middle of nowhere with an estrium. And and then
there was just nothing, like it was just a flat
ground like but yeah, there was just nothing for a
really long time. And then we came close to TIONI
where the schoolers and there's a few homes, and then
(04:04):
we went through WIFINGI, which is our main township. And
then that was that. We were off down the south
coast to where we were moving and I was like,
oh my god, is that it was that really? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
The Chathams, as we understand it sounds like a place
where kind of anything as possible and you're kind of
at the mercy of the weather and supply chain issues,
and we've heard that there's been some pretty big challenges lately.
So talk us through life on the Chathams, because I
know that that's probably a little bit different to what
we're experiencing here on the mainland.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, definitely. I mean, obviously people live really remotely on
the mainland. We see that people live in high country
stations and there, you know, an hour and a half
drive from the nearest Supermarcot or whatever. Like people do
live remotely, but I always say, like here, you can
drive an hour and half and you're still in the
same place and you're you're not at a pack and save,
(05:04):
but you're not you don't get Yeah, it's really hard.
So yeah, in terms of supplies and living here, all
of our groceries either come every well, everything comes in
by either plane or boat. So I do like a
huge grocery order that comes in on the bush, and
I probably do that once every six weeks, and then
(05:26):
in between times I might get odd bits on the
plane or fruit, fruit and beg's mainly on the plane.
But all of that comes at an extra cost, of course,
because you have to pay the freight on top of there.
But yeah, this year and last year have been particularly
difficult because our boat has been out. It's had it's
been getting his annual surveys, which is kind of like
(05:47):
a boat warrant a fitness and it's needed a lot
or appears. So the last time the boat was out,
we've only just had it back in the last month
and it's been gone for four months, so we haven't
had any supplies come on the island. We haven't had
any stock going off the island. We haven't had any
frozen fresh going off the island, so it's been really
really tough for people. The shelves that the supermarket were
(06:10):
very very low, the problems running out of the air,
it gets pretty disparate.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Then, yeah, yeah, so does this mean that I mean,
I imagine it does mean that Chatnam Islander is a
very self sufficient and quite resourceful.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh yeah, you have to be, actually, But I feel
like I'm quite an organized person as well. But even
here it's really challenging. But yeah, you've just got to
be a resourceful like you've got to have a vegi adden,
you've got to like if you've got access to home
kill meat, obviously that's great. So everyone here can fash
and dive from power and crayfish and stuff like that,
(06:47):
and people just help each other out, which is, you know,
really helpful.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, and from a farming perspective, what does that actually
mean that you guys have to consider that perhaps ordinarily
Mainlanders wouldn't have to think about.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, a lot of extra We were up until the
end of last year, we were managing the two hundred
and eighty hit their property here and now we've just
gone back to our senting contracts and we've moved off
the farm because it's sold at the end of last year.
But it just changes your whole farming system because you're
(07:25):
planning around this boat and getting rid of stock. And
if you can't get rid of stock, then you're going
to have to hold them through winter. Are you going
to have enough feed? How do you manage your fees?
You don't really. People don't really plant here, like crops
and things like that, because you have to pay to
bring your feed in, You have to pay for your fertilizer,
(07:47):
and that's just all extra costs a lot of people here,
like obviously, wall prices in New Zealand is terrible, but
here you have to pay for your bails to go
as well, so usually you get a bill for your
wall instead of getting any money back from it. Yeah,
it changes your whole farming system and how you're thinking
and how you're operating. You really are, like you said,
(08:09):
farming at the mercy of the ship in the weather,
and yet it's really difficult yet.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, and so obviously you guys have found a little
bit of a niche there in terms of your fencing
contracting business, and as I understand it, you've been evolved
in Jobs for Nature and the Bill and Trees project.
Talk us through what that looks like for you day
to day, like what sort of jobs do you do
(08:34):
and how has that additional support helped your business and
what you can do out there for landowners.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, definitely the last es. Actually since COVID, we've done
really really well out of Jobs for Nature. We also
work quite a lot with the Department of Conservation, so
we put up a lot of work through them, which
has been great because some as they don't have money
at the moment, they're not spending money on something, so
these projects have been great to carry us through. To
(09:04):
be honest, I don't have a lot now to do
with the day to day out there. The grant works.
That's my partner, Kinney. I've been at home having babies
and looking at the kids and I know that for
the last couple of years. But I'm definitely the books
lady and the lady that rings up into the ordering
and all that stuff at the moment. So I am
(09:26):
looking for track kids being old enough and I can
get back out there again. So yeah, we've been really
lucky to have those projects over the last few years
to plug us through and I think those are really
going to be the ones that keep us going over
the next few years as well. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So, segueing a little bit into you personally, there's two
aspects that I'd love to cover up in more detail,
and the first is how did you meet your now
husband partner? And how did tell us about the experien
of having babies? So I asked the first one, the
first question first, Yes, so how did you go about
(10:07):
meeting your now partner? You obviously came to the Chadam
Islands under different circumstances. Yeah, how have you met your
new partner?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
We knew each other, we met he was actually living
back on the mainland when I first moved here, and
he came came back, returned to the Chatter and from
living on the mainland for a publy is and we
met and passing at a couple of events because everyone
meets everyone here, you know, this is a place where
everyone knows everyone, just like in a small town in
(10:36):
New Zealand. And yeah, it wasn't really until I came
back the year after that. We kind of just locked
eyes at a party and the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
The old fashioned way.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, the old fashioned way.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
We had no cell coverage back then, so you had
to you had to meet people. So yeah, and then
having babies is quite an experience here.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, I bet it is, okay, So tell us a
little bit about like how was it, how was it
and like how would it be different for someone on
the mainland.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So here when you we've got a midwife that comes
to the Chettams, Jesse is her name. She's been coming
here for I don't know however long, but a long
time now. So she flies them every month or maybe
twice a month, and it just depends on how many
pregnant ladies are here and half hour along they are.
So she comes in and she does all your prenatal kids.
(11:34):
She does your checks and your blood pressure and does
the you hear the heartbeat and all that sort of thing,
which is great to have that here. For your ultrasounds,
So your twelve week ultrasounds or your twenty week plan
or any others that you need, you have to fly
out to New Zealand for those. So that's a trip out.
(11:54):
I mean at thirty six weeks pregnant, you travel out
and your basically out there waiting to have a baby.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
So you don't birth under a planned scenario. You don't
birth on the island.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
No, you can. It has been done before a long
long time ago. They used to do it. They none
actually used to run out hospital and everyone birthed here.
But that's all changed is it hans changed at the hospital.
So it has been done here since I've been here.
But there's a lot of factors to consider, like, for example,
it can't be your first pregnancy, or it can't be multiples,
(12:32):
or if you've had any you know of those other
challenges you have during pregency. They say no, And also
midwife has to be available to come and at thirty
six weeks and wait it out with you essentially, So
there's a lot of a lot of boxes to cover
the a year.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
So what if what if you have a baby early
before it's that thirty six week mark, what would happen then?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah? So actually this friends of mine and she's got
a wee boy who's a little bit older than my daughter,
and she we were both pregnant at the same time,
and she went into labor early and she was luckily
able to be life flighted off silence. So that's that's
basically what happens in an emergency here. You just pack
up when you can and they get a life lighting
(13:18):
and off you go. Yeah, so it can be really scary,
you know. Obviously if the weather isn't playing ball and
all the planes not available like you might, you might
have to wait two or three days before you can
get a life flight, So there's a Yeah, can be
quite difficult and scary waiting it out like that.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, I'm just really interested. I'm not sure if you know,
But how covers the cost of that? Is that like
a like that feels like a very expensive exercise. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, So our flights, for example, my flights to get
my ultras, guns and things that that are covered by
our district house board, which is great, it's obviously, and
they do give you one hundred dollars a night towards
accommodation if you had to pay for a motel or
Airbnb or whatever, which is gray. It's still a lot
(14:11):
of costs for us. So actually, because you know, I
go out at thirty six weeks pregnant. Kenny came out
when I was I think Lauren, our oldest daughter. He
came out when I was thirty eight weeks because he
didn't want to miss out obviously, so that time of
work that he's having as well. And then you stay
out there for two weeks or maybe longer with your
(14:33):
baby before you come home or over to you and
then so that's all time, you know, when you're out
there and you're not making money, it's all yeah, time
that you're spending money essentially. Yeah, So.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Just thinking about to Sorry, I just literally went off
on another tangent in my head. But you mentioned that
the farm that you were on last just got sold,
and I'm wondering about land sales on the chatterm islands.
How common is it for land sales to transact and
(15:08):
who normally buys themselves?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, it's very very uncommon. Actually. In the last yeah,
there's two home sells been the domino effect of this
farm of island selling. Local eventually bought it, which was awesome,
and then they move their house, so they sold their
house and another local bought their place. So it's sort
(15:32):
of the genres that land in general does not come
out very often at all. There's people drying to violent
here a lot of land here is friendly land so
there's a lot of trustees involved in the land or
a lot of people that are making decisions, so it
just doesn't get sold, which is really unfortunate because a
lot of land to sit there doing nothing for a
really long time. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, it's so different to what we experienced back here
on the mainland. And I'm like in my mind, you know,
I'm putting my mortgage broker hat on now, and I'm like, oh,
I want to you know what the average house price
is over there?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Well, yeah, we're actually Kenny and I were lucky enough.
We bore just over two acres last year here, and
we are at the moment in the process of actually
trying to apply for a mortgage, and that is just
like a whole logistical nightmare. Everyone you talk to doesn't
realize the challenges we have here in terms of building.
(16:31):
Building here is sixty percent higher and costs compared to
the mainland. So obviously you have to pay for all
your building materials to come in, and you have to
pay to fly a builder, and potentially and then you're
going to feed them three meals a day and put
them in a house somewhere and give them a weird
vehicles so it's really extensive. So we're looking at transportable
homes and that is a ridiculous cost of ship it here,
(16:54):
and then we don't have the trucks on island to
transport it, like everything's just in the bank. Find that
really difficult to deal with? His outs, Yeah, it's really challenging.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah it is. And I can just totally understand those
conversations that you'll be having. So yeah, definitely some challenges there.
I am quite keen to pivot back so into Greya's world,
so into sort of you as a as a person
and your journey in terms of challenge and your career
(17:29):
becoming a mum, Like what have you been experiencing over
the last sort of ten years or so, what does
that look like? Because it seems that you have a
wonderful wide range of skills that you've been able to
turn your hand to many different things. So talk us
through what that's looked like for you in the last
wee while.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Oh my gosh, I feel like I'm really like in particular,
my time here has been really up and down. Obviously
I went through a relationship breakout, like moving here was huge,
and then I went through a big relationship breakup, and
then Kenny and I got together, and then just when
(18:11):
we got together, COVID happened. So we experienced COVID here,
and even Kenny and I as a couple, we've been
through so many we looked actually looked back on it
sometimes and we were like, oh my god, it's crazy.
We've been through so much more an our four or
five years together than some couple go through in a lifetime.
To be honest. We've gone through the loss of his
(18:35):
mum here. Then we went through a really a terrible
on fine tragedy where his dad was actually killed. Here.
Kenny was involved at the accident. He was he was
seriously injured, you know, dealing with all those having babies,
running in a business. So I've probably done more in
the last five years than some people drew in in
(18:58):
twenty back class. You just you just plant. Yeah, I'm
I think it's good. I'm such a resilient person and
organized and yeah I'm still here showing it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
It sounds like you've lived so many lives in six
years or so that you've You've been on the chatams
and it's absolutely amazing. Where do you think that resilience
has come from. Do you think you're born with it
or do you think you have to develop it yourself?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Oh? I think, you know, I would be my parents
one hundred percent. We've always My parents were sharing contractors
for about fifteen years and then they went on to
other careers. But they hard work and great determination and
resilience was well. I think they taught it to us
(19:54):
without actually teaching it to us. That was just how
we were brought out. And Keny and I have both talks,
you know that that's what we really want access how
we really want to bring ad kids up as you know,
good hard workers that are determined and resilient and problem
solvers and they get on with the job. I think
that's like one of the most important skills in life. Really,
(20:16):
Like it doesn't matter what industry you're in. If you
can wear a card and you've got that great work effects,
you're going to going to go far for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah. Yeah, I totally agree. And I think that people
who grow up in rural communities where you know, often
you have to make do and it's across a lot
of sort of remote or rural New Zealand, you know,
it's just that that classics sort of running next door
for a cup of sugar and the difference between that
and you know, and sorting out some cattle that have
(20:46):
got out of a panic and are on the road
and antagonizing people. So there's so many challenges. I'm interested
in sort of growth opportunities, and I suppose up sculling
and kind of what that next chapter of the journey
might look like for you, because we have such a
(21:07):
you have lived many lives already, but you know, across
our lives there are periods of knuckling down, there are
periods of enjoying things and kind of reaping the rewards
of hard work. So what does that look like for
you guys heading forward? Do you think, Yeah, we're.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Definitely at an interesting point right now. We think we're
a lot. We're not. We're just kind of we're really Yeah,
we've got a lot going on, and we are at
the moment sort of planning out what what do what
do we want it to look like over the next
two years or five years for us? And obviously we're
(21:48):
starting to think about things like, oh, Laurence three got
you know, two years go so fast, and then she's
going to be at school, Like, where do we want
to do for that? What does that look like? So
we're we've move very down moment where we're planning our
next adventure, and I think that hopefully is going to
involve a house and building our land here and kind
(22:09):
of having somewhere here we can get to. But we
also really want to make the most of those sensing
opportunities that come up here, and one of those is
actually on Pitt Island. So at the moment, we're kind
of going through the process of of sorting mad and
applying for tenders and other positions that might take us
(22:29):
to the island for a few years, which will be
another really cool adventure for our family. So I think
I'm also definitely a person that I really love to
learn things, and I've got like this less of things
that i want to be able to do and learn,
but there's never enough hours in the day or days
in the week. So I really want to try, especially
(22:51):
over the next get some of those things. I really
want to learn how to spend my wall, So I'm like,
atually to do it, I've got to stop leading living
here be a barrier and like just do it. Yeah.
So yeah, I think these are still a lot of
exciting times to come. There's always still want to continue
to grab business, and we obviously want to establish ourselves
(23:12):
here and hopefully that's all all going to happen over
the next few years. When fingers crusty, everything falls into place.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Really yeah, And so how do you make time for
yourself thinking about all the things that you've got on
your plate. I feel a little bit overwhelmed just thinking
about it, and I'm not the one living it, right,
So how do you create that space for yourself to
breathe or to get that five minutes to think about
(23:39):
what maybe the next five years looks like, or the
next three years, or just consider how you can progress forward.
How do you create that time for yourself.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
To be honest, I'm really really bad at it. I
hear it's a lot. This pushing has of a lot
around women or any woman you know, with businesses or
whatever you've got. We do just have hic dick lives
in general. Now, So I hear this. I have to
come up a lot. And when I think about what
(24:13):
I do for my tolf like, actually I do nothing,
Like I'm terrible. I'm a youth person. I overcome I had,
But actually I'm I'm actually okay with it right now.
I'm okay with just writing this wave, saving even life
everything while I can being involved in as many things
as I can, and if I can snatch five minutes
to get sitting done or reading books or even just
(24:36):
sit there and scroll on my phone, then it's awesome.
But yeah, I think I'm just thriving being being busy
and just being involved.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, and you know what, that's actually okay too. That's great.
It's fantastic. You don't have to subscribe to somebody else's
idea of me time. So I think that's actually awesome
to kind of just say, you know what, I you know,
I love this. One of the things I've been pondering
as you've been talking this afternoon is around the differences
(25:07):
between the way that you were brought up in the
way that your children are going to be brought up
in the context. So I think you've mentioned you want
to instill those same values, but the context is going
to be probably quite different for them. So have you
got any sort of thoughts on that in terms of
how it might be different and how it might be similar.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Oh gosh, I think probably the main Deffer. You know,
I grew up in a small town in Sea Flotago, Rockford,
you know, it a small population. My parents lived out
of town. They are isharing countractors, so we were brought
up orally but not definitely not as remote as here,
And I do often think about how how remote he
(25:52):
is here might affect our kids and what that'll look like.
Things like, you know, we're just swimming lessons growing up,
like we traveled to do them, but we and here
they don't have there as an option. Like I actually
took my daughter out when we were in New Zealand
mask and we went and got some swimming lessons or
things like we don't have a skate park or a
bike track here, So do you know in terms of
(26:13):
opportunities like that, I do often think about how that'll
be different for our kids. But I also think about
the things they're they're going to get to do here
that maybe they wentn't do if we were living on
the mainland, you know, things like getting to dive or
hand or just a different kind of sense of freedom here.
(26:35):
So yeah, it's a tricky one, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
No, oh, look I can understand that from you know,
my own experiences as well. I never, even I work
full time, I never took my kids to swimm lessons
and I felt really stink about it. And once they
started school, they had swimm lessons through the school. And
now he's a fish. Yeah, you know, I hear what
(27:01):
you're saying, and it just sounds like you're giving them
the most amazing opportunities to live a more free, free
range lifestyle than any kid on the mainland.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Great range is probably a really good way to describe it. It. Yeah,
they have, Like especially with my work through school, kids
certainly have the same precious yere as they as they
do on the mainland. You know, up until a few
years ago, we didn't have cell phone coverage or anything.
You know, devices were virtually non existent. Some people didn't
even have entity their home here. So it's definitely you know,
(27:36):
less precious on kids, which is great. They just actually
get to be kids, which is awesome.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, watch out, career, I'm packing my bags right now
and we're going to be moving over and joining you.
I think, Hey, what do you think if you sit
back and reflect and you know, fifty years from now,
you're kind of thinking about your your life and the
experiences that you've given your family and the journy that
you've been on. What do you think would be your
(28:03):
proudest moment.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Oh, oh, my gosh. I think probably not a moment,
but probably more of a tribute they've thrown for me.
Would be my results. Just the fact that I've trusted
my gut and I'm stack at it, I think would
be what I'm most proud of myself was rather than
an actual moment. And I think that edgebut that I'm
(28:27):
going to be able to pass on to my kids persually.
Will not that my three year old sticks at anything
at the moment, see any patience, But that would definitely
be what I'm most proud of myself, Just trusting my
gut and stick into it.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Really Yeah yeah, And I think maybe not enough people
listen to their gut often. We can get really caught
up in the business or what other people think, or
you know, wanting to live up to expectation. And I
think that's really admirable.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, yeah, I would be honestly my probably piece of advice,
even life advice, all business advice, Trust your guts and
follow what you want to what you want to do,
and just own it. It's like, Yep, I move into
the chatterms and I'm going to do it and I'm
going to stick it out and here I am so yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I love that and I've just so enjoyed this chat. Grea.
Thank you so much for giving up your time for
us today. You're clearly one incredible working there and we're
really really grateful to have your insights and you sharing
the world of your life and the chattems with us
on the Black Hills and Tractor Wheels podcast. I'm not
(29:41):
sure if you've got black Hills all tractor wheels over
there actually, but not a lot of black Hills. But
we just so appreciate your insights and love your comments
there about resilience and trusting your gut and sticking with
the decisions you've made and being really joyful about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
No, thank you so much. Thank you for giving me
the opportunity this year. It's always a bit nervracking, but
it's great and people are always really interested in the
chat them, but I love being able to share with them.
You know what it's like to actually be here and
you love here.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Bria.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
You have a fabulous afternoon and we can't wait to
chat again.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah cool. Thank you so much, Ladady. Thanks bye bye,
Black heels and tracked Wheels.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Rural Women and Zed podcast hosted by Emma Higgins
and Claire Williamson.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Today on the podcast, we have such a great chat
with Grea Patterson. Grea lives on the Chatham Islands and
so in today's chat, she provides us with a download
of how truly unique and different island life is.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
She talks us through the first moments she landed on
the Chatham Islands, having never heard of it or been
there before she arrived, along with how her original plans
changed and how she ended up staying for what has
now been six years.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Grea really opens our eyes to how remote life is
on the island. We discuss some examples of seemingly ordinary
activities like grocery shopping and planning for a birth take
on a whole new meaning on the island. Now on
this podcast we usually speak about rural and remote living,
but this is really next level.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Grea is so candid with her personal story and thoughtfully
gives her perspective on how to overcome challenges and to
develop a resilient mindset.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The way that we start these is broadly just to
discuss a bit of your upbringing, so greer. Tell us
a little bit about how you came to be on
the Chatham Islands. Would are you a local?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh? Absolutely not, and I will about bruce Holm, I
call myself a local. I should say I would be
told off big time by the locals. A prime example
actually is that this morning I've been at our Wicause
versus Kiwis and your Netbool game and it's basically where
all the Chadum Islanders take on the non Cheddum Islanders
(01:39):
and nip and it's a burg rivalry and there's always
always arguments over where the people are Wakers and we're
there Kiwis. But I'm definitely a Kiwi through and through.
So yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
That is so amazing that you've got that clear distinction
and you know family which can.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
In and that's that.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
So there's no illusions about anything.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
No, definitely not.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Tell us a little bit about how you came to
the Chandum Islands and if you're not a local, how
did you end up there?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So I was actually, oh my god, it was coming
up six years ago now and I yeah, good girl.
And I actually came over with an ex partner of mine.
He took a farming job here on the chatterm. I
never even heard of the Channum Islands before I moved here.
(02:32):
Literally my first experience of the chattems or anything was
on Google and then stepping off the plane, it was
the first time I've been here. So we were here
for about six months, six or eight months, and his
farming jobs just didn't work out. He was ready to go,
wasn't enjoying it. I was teaching at school as a teacher.
(02:55):
I'm a qualified primary teacher, and yeah, I loved it here.
I wanted this at the school year. So I stayed
on and the riding was on the wall. I trusted
my gus and came back the following year, and now
I'm still here six years later.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, wow, that is incredible. Talk us through those first
moments we knew steeped off the plane and like, what
did that first week look like?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh my god, it was actually it was. I mean,
it feels like a long time ago, but I still remember.
I still remember driving from the airport, or it's even
arriving at the airport and the airport's literally just like
a building, like there's nothing to it, and they're bringing
your bags like outside on a fork left like just
on a on a pallette. Basically, there's no luggage valves,
(03:44):
there's no caphase or anything. It's just a building in
the middle of nowhere with an estrium. And and then
there was just nothing, like it was just a flat
ground like but yeah, there was just nothing for a
really long time. And then we came close to TIONI
where the schoolers and there's a few homes, and then
(04:04):
we went through WIFINGI, which is our main township. And
then that was that. We were off down the south
coast to where we were moving and I was like,
oh my god, is that it was that really? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
The Chathams, as we understand it sounds like a place
where kind of anything as possible and you're kind of
at the mercy of the weather and supply chain issues,
and we've heard that there's been some pretty big challenges lately.
So talk us through life on the Chathams, because I
know that that's probably a little bit different to what
we're experiencing here on the mainland.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, definitely. I mean, obviously people live really remotely on
the mainland. We see that people live in high country
stations and there, you know, an hour and a half
drive from the nearest Supermarcot or whatever. Like people do
live remotely, but I always say, like here, you can
drive an hour and half and you're still in the
same place and you're you're not at a pack and save,
(05:04):
but you're not you don't get Yeah, it's really hard.
So yeah, in terms of supplies and living here, all
of our groceries either come every well, everything comes in
by either plane or boat. So I do like a
huge grocery order that comes in on the bush, and
I probably do that once every six weeks, and then
(05:26):
in between times I might get odd bits on the
plane or fruit, fruit and beg's mainly on the plane.
But all of that comes at an extra cost, of course,
because you have to pay the freight on top of there.
But yeah, this year and last year have been particularly
difficult because our boat has been out. It's had it's
been getting his annual surveys, which is kind of like
(05:47):
a boat warrant a fitness and it's needed a lot
or appears. So the last time the boat was out,
we've only just had it back in the last month
and it's been gone for four months, so we haven't
had any supplies come on the island. We haven't had
any stock going off the island. We haven't had any
frozen fresh going off the island, so it's been really
really tough for people. The shelves that the supermarket were
(06:10):
very very low, the problems running out of the air,
it gets pretty disparate.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Then, yeah, yeah, so does this mean that I mean,
I imagine it does mean that Chatnam Islander is a
very self sufficient and quite resourceful.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh yeah, you have to be, actually, But I feel
like I'm quite an organized person as well. But even
here it's really challenging. But yeah, you've just got to
be a resourceful like you've got to have a vegi adden,
you've got to like if you've got access to home
kill meat, obviously that's great. So everyone here can fash
and dive from power and crayfish and stuff like that,
(06:47):
and people just help each other out, which is, you know,
really helpful.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, and from a farming perspective, what does that actually
mean that you guys have to consider that perhaps ordinarily
Mainlanders wouldn't have to think about.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, a lot of extra We were up until the
end of last year, we were managing the two hundred
and eighty hit their property here and now we've just
gone back to our senting contracts and we've moved off
the farm because it's sold at the end of last year.
But it just changes your whole farming system because you're
(07:25):
planning around this boat and getting rid of stock. And
if you can't get rid of stock, then you're going
to have to hold them through winter. Are you going
to have enough feed? How do you manage your fees?
You don't really. People don't really plant here, like crops
and things like that, because you have to pay to
bring your feed in, You have to pay for your fertilizer,
(07:47):
and that's just all extra costs a lot of people here,
like obviously, wall prices in New Zealand is terrible, but
here you have to pay for your bails to go
as well, so usually you get a bill for your
wall instead of getting any money back from it. Yeah,
it changes your whole farming system and how you're thinking
and how you're operating. You really are, like you said,
(08:09):
farming at the mercy of the ship in the weather,
and yet it's really difficult yet.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, and so obviously you guys have found a little
bit of a niche there in terms of your fencing
contracting business, and as I understand it, you've been evolved
in Jobs for Nature and the Bill and Trees project.
Talk us through what that looks like for you day
to day, like what sort of jobs do you do
(08:34):
and how has that additional support helped your business and
what you can do out there for landowners.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, definitely the last es. Actually since COVID, we've done
really really well out of Jobs for Nature. We also
work quite a lot with the Department of Conservation, so
we put up a lot of work through them, which
has been great because some as they don't have money
at the moment, they're not spending money on something, so
these projects have been great to carry us through. To
(09:04):
be honest, I don't have a lot now to do
with the day to day out there. The grant works.
That's my partner, Kinney. I've been at home having babies
and looking at the kids and I know that for
the last couple of years. But I'm definitely the books
lady and the lady that rings up into the ordering
and all that stuff at the moment. So I am
(09:26):
looking for track kids being old enough and I can
get back out there again. So yeah, we've been really
lucky to have those projects over the last few years
to plug us through and I think those are really
going to be the ones that keep us going over
the next few years as well. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So, segueing a little bit into you personally, there's two
aspects that I'd love to cover up in more detail,
and the first is how did you meet your now
husband partner? And how did tell us about the experien
of having babies? So I asked the first one, the
first question first, Yes, so how did you go about
(10:07):
meeting your now partner? You obviously came to the Chadam
Islands under different circumstances. Yeah, how have you met your
new partner?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
We knew each other, we met he was actually living
back on the mainland when I first moved here, and
he came came back, returned to the Chatter and from
living on the mainland for a publy is and we
met and passing at a couple of events because everyone
meets everyone here, you know, this is a place where
everyone knows everyone, just like in a small town in
(10:36):
New Zealand. And yeah, it wasn't really until I came
back the year after that. We kind of just locked
eyes at a party and the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
The old fashioned way.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, the old fashioned way.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
We had no cell coverage back then, so you had
to you had to meet people. So yeah, and then
having babies is quite an experience here.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, I bet it is, okay, So tell us a
little bit about like how was it, how was it
and like how would it be different for someone on
the mainland.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So here when you we've got a midwife that comes
to the Chettams, Jesse is her name. She's been coming
here for I don't know however long, but a long
time now. So she flies them every month or maybe
twice a month, and it just depends on how many
pregnant ladies are here and half hour along they are.
So she comes in and she does all your prenatal kids.
(11:34):
She does your checks and your blood pressure and does
the you hear the heartbeat and all that sort of thing,
which is great to have that here. For your ultrasounds,
So your twelve week ultrasounds or your twenty week plan
or any others that you need, you have to fly
out to New Zealand for those. So that's a trip out.
(11:54):
I mean at thirty six weeks pregnant, you travel out
and your basically out there waiting to have a baby.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
So you don't birth under a planned scenario. You don't
birth on the island.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
No, you can. It has been done before a long
long time ago. They used to do it. They none
actually used to run out hospital and everyone birthed here.
But that's all changed is it hans changed at the hospital.
So it has been done here since I've been here.
But there's a lot of factors to consider, like, for example,
it can't be your first pregnancy, or it can't be multiples,
(12:32):
or if you've had any you know of those other
challenges you have during pregency. They say no, And also
midwife has to be available to come and at thirty
six weeks and wait it out with you essentially, So
there's a lot of a lot of boxes to cover
the a year.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
So what if what if you have a baby early
before it's that thirty six week mark, what would happen then?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah? So actually this friends of mine and she's got
a wee boy who's a little bit older than my daughter,
and she we were both pregnant at the same time,
and she went into labor early and she was luckily
able to be life flighted off silence. So that's that's
basically what happens in an emergency here. You just pack
up when you can and they get a life lighting
(13:18):
and off you go. Yeah, so it can be really scary,
you know. Obviously if the weather isn't playing ball and
all the planes not available like you might, you might
have to wait two or three days before you can
get a life flight, So there's a Yeah, can be
quite difficult and scary waiting it out like that.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, I'm just really interested. I'm not sure if you know,
But how covers the cost of that? Is that like
a like that feels like a very expensive exercise. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, So our flights, for example, my flights to get
my ultras, guns and things that that are covered by
our district house board, which is great, it's obviously, and
they do give you one hundred dollars a night towards
accommodation if you had to pay for a motel or
Airbnb or whatever, which is gray. It's still a lot
(14:11):
of costs for us. So actually, because you know, I
go out at thirty six weeks pregnant. Kenny came out
when I was I think Lauren, our oldest daughter. He
came out when I was thirty eight weeks because he
didn't want to miss out obviously, so that time of
work that he's having as well. And then you stay
out there for two weeks or maybe longer with your
(14:33):
baby before you come home or over to you and
then so that's all time, you know, when you're out
there and you're not making money, it's all yeah, time
that you're spending money essentially. Yeah, So.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Just thinking about to Sorry, I just literally went off
on another tangent in my head. But you mentioned that
the farm that you were on last just got sold,
and I'm wondering about land sales on the chatterm islands.
How common is it for land sales to transact and
(15:08):
who normally buys themselves?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, it's very very uncommon. Actually. In the last yeah,
there's two home sells been the domino effect of this
farm of island selling. Local eventually bought it, which was awesome,
and then they move their house, so they sold their
house and another local bought their place. So it's sort
(15:32):
of the genres that land in general does not come
out very often at all. There's people drying to violent
here a lot of land here is friendly land so
there's a lot of trustees involved in the land or
a lot of people that are making decisions, so it
just doesn't get sold, which is really unfortunate because a
lot of land to sit there doing nothing for a
really long time. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, it's so different to what we experienced back here
on the mainland. And I'm like in my mind, you know,
I'm putting my mortgage broker hat on now, and I'm like, oh,
I want to you know what the average house price
is over there?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Well, yeah, we're actually Kenny and I were lucky enough.
We bore just over two acres last year here, and
we are at the moment in the process of actually
trying to apply for a mortgage, and that is just
like a whole logistical nightmare. Everyone you talk to doesn't
realize the challenges we have here in terms of building.
(16:31):
Building here is sixty percent higher and costs compared to
the mainland. So obviously you have to pay for all
your building materials to come in, and you have to
pay to fly a builder, and potentially and then you're
going to feed them three meals a day and put
them in a house somewhere and give them a weird
vehicles so it's really extensive. So we're looking at transportable
homes and that is a ridiculous cost of ship it here,
(16:54):
and then we don't have the trucks on island to
transport it, like everything's just in the bank. Find that
really difficult to deal with? His outs, Yeah, it's really challenging.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah it is. And I can just totally understand those
conversations that you'll be having. So yeah, definitely some challenges there.
I am quite keen to pivot back so into Greya's world,
so into sort of you as a as a person
and your journey in terms of challenge and your career
(17:29):
becoming a mum, Like what have you been experiencing over
the last sort of ten years or so, what does
that look like? Because it seems that you have a
wonderful wide range of skills that you've been able to
turn your hand to many different things. So talk us
through what that's looked like for you in the last
wee while.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Oh my gosh, I feel like I'm really like in particular,
my time here has been really up and down. Obviously
I went through a relationship breakout, like moving here was huge,
and then I went through a big relationship breakup, and
then Kenny and I got together, and then just when
(18:11):
we got together, COVID happened. So we experienced COVID here,
and even Kenny and I as a couple, we've been
through so many we looked actually looked back on it
sometimes and we were like, oh my god, it's crazy.
We've been through so much more an our four or
five years together than some couple go through in a lifetime.
To be honest. We've gone through the loss of his
(18:35):
mum here. Then we went through a really a terrible
on fine tragedy where his dad was actually killed. Here.
Kenny was involved at the accident. He was he was
seriously injured, you know, dealing with all those having babies,
running in a business. So I've probably done more in
the last five years than some people drew in in
(18:58):
twenty back class. You just you just plant. Yeah, I'm
I think it's good. I'm such a resilient person and
organized and yeah I'm still here showing it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
It sounds like you've lived so many lives in six
years or so that you've You've been on the chatams
and it's absolutely amazing. Where do you think that resilience
has come from. Do you think you're born with it
or do you think you have to develop it yourself?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Oh? I think, you know, I would be my parents
one hundred percent. We've always My parents were sharing contractors
for about fifteen years and then they went on to
other careers. But they hard work and great determination and
resilience was well. I think they taught it to us
(19:54):
without actually teaching it to us. That was just how
we were brought out. And Keny and I have both talks,
you know that that's what we really want access how
we really want to bring ad kids up as you know,
good hard workers that are determined and resilient and problem
solvers and they get on with the job. I think
that's like one of the most important skills in life. Really,
(20:16):
Like it doesn't matter what industry you're in. If you
can wear a card and you've got that great work effects,
you're going to going to go far for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah. Yeah, I totally agree. And I think that people
who grow up in rural communities where you know, often
you have to make do and it's across a lot
of sort of remote or rural New Zealand, you know,
it's just that that classics sort of running next door
for a cup of sugar and the difference between that
and you know, and sorting out some cattle that have
(20:46):
got out of a panic and are on the road
and antagonizing people. So there's so many challenges. I'm interested
in sort of growth opportunities, and I suppose up sculling
and kind of what that next chapter of the journey
might look like for you, because we have such a
(21:07):
you have lived many lives already, but you know, across
our lives there are periods of knuckling down, there are
periods of enjoying things and kind of reaping the rewards
of hard work. So what does that look like for
you guys heading forward? Do you think, Yeah, we're.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Definitely at an interesting point right now. We think we're
a lot. We're not. We're just kind of we're really Yeah,
we've got a lot going on, and we are at
the moment sort of planning out what what do what
do we want it to look like over the next
two years or five years for us? And obviously we're
(21:48):
starting to think about things like, oh, Laurence three got
you know, two years go so fast, and then she's
going to be at school, Like, where do we want
to do for that? What does that look like? So
we're we've move very down moment where we're planning our
next adventure, and I think that hopefully is going to
involve a house and building our land here and kind
(22:09):
of having somewhere here we can get to. But we
also really want to make the most of those sensing
opportunities that come up here, and one of those is
actually on Pitt Island. So at the moment, we're kind
of going through the process of of sorting mad and
applying for tenders and other positions that might take us
(22:29):
to the island for a few years, which will be
another really cool adventure for our family. So I think
I'm also definitely a person that I really love to
learn things, and I've got like this less of things
that i want to be able to do and learn,
but there's never enough hours in the day or days
in the week. So I really want to try, especially
(22:51):
over the next get some of those things. I really
want to learn how to spend my wall, So I'm like,
atually to do it, I've got to stop leading living
here be a barrier and like just do it. Yeah.
So yeah, I think these are still a lot of
exciting times to come. There's always still want to continue
to grab business, and we obviously want to establish ourselves
(23:12):
here and hopefully that's all all going to happen over
the next few years. When fingers crusty, everything falls into place.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Really yeah, And so how do you make time for
yourself thinking about all the things that you've got on
your plate. I feel a little bit overwhelmed just thinking
about it, and I'm not the one living it, right,
So how do you create that space for yourself to
breathe or to get that five minutes to think about
(23:39):
what maybe the next five years looks like, or the
next three years, or just consider how you can progress forward.
How do you create that time for yourself.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
To be honest, I'm really really bad at it. I
hear it's a lot. This pushing has of a lot
around women or any woman you know, with businesses or
whatever you've got. We do just have hic dick lives
in general. Now, So I hear this. I have to
come up a lot. And when I think about what
(24:13):
I do for my tolf like, actually I do nothing,
Like I'm terrible. I'm a youth person. I overcome I had,
But actually I'm I'm actually okay with it right now.
I'm okay with just writing this wave, saving even life
everything while I can being involved in as many things
as I can, and if I can snatch five minutes
to get sitting done or reading books or even just
(24:36):
sit there and scroll on my phone, then it's awesome.
But yeah, I think I'm just thriving being being busy
and just being involved.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, and you know what, that's actually okay too. That's great.
It's fantastic. You don't have to subscribe to somebody else's
idea of me time. So I think that's actually awesome
to kind of just say, you know what, I you know,
I love this. One of the things I've been pondering
as you've been talking this afternoon is around the differences
(25:07):
between the way that you were brought up in the
way that your children are going to be brought up
in the context. So I think you've mentioned you want
to instill those same values, but the context is going
to be probably quite different for them. So have you
got any sort of thoughts on that in terms of
how it might be different and how it might be similar.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Oh gosh, I think probably the main Deffer. You know,
I grew up in a small town in Sea Flotago, Rockford,
you know, it a small population. My parents lived out
of town. They are isharing countractors, so we were brought
up orally but not definitely not as remote as here,
And I do often think about how how remote he
(25:52):
is here might affect our kids and what that'll look like.
Things like, you know, we're just swimming lessons growing up,
like we traveled to do them, but we and here
they don't have there as an option. Like I actually
took my daughter out when we were in New Zealand
mask and we went and got some swimming lessons or
things like we don't have a skate park or a
bike track here, So do you know in terms of
(26:13):
opportunities like that, I do often think about how that'll
be different for our kids. But I also think about
the things they're they're going to get to do here
that maybe they wentn't do if we were living on
the mainland, you know, things like getting to dive or
hand or just a different kind of sense of freedom here.
(26:35):
So yeah, it's a tricky one, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
No, oh, look I can understand that from you know,
my own experiences as well. I never, even I work
full time, I never took my kids to swimm lessons
and I felt really stink about it. And once they
started school, they had swimm lessons through the school. And
now he's a fish. Yeah, you know, I hear what
(27:01):
you're saying, and it just sounds like you're giving them
the most amazing opportunities to live a more free, free
range lifestyle than any kid on the mainland.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Great range is probably a really good way to describe it. It. Yeah,
they have, Like especially with my work through school, kids
certainly have the same precious yere as they as they
do on the mainland. You know, up until a few
years ago, we didn't have cell phone coverage or anything.
You know, devices were virtually non existent. Some people didn't
even have entity their home here. So it's definitely you know,
(27:36):
less precious on kids, which is great. They just actually
get to be kids, which is awesome.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, watch out, career, I'm packing my bags right now
and we're going to be moving over and joining you.
I think, Hey, what do you think if you sit
back and reflect and you know, fifty years from now,
you're kind of thinking about your your life and the
experiences that you've given your family and the journy that
you've been on. What do you think would be your
(28:03):
proudest moment.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Oh, oh, my gosh. I think probably not a moment,
but probably more of a tribute they've thrown for me.
Would be my results. Just the fact that I've trusted
my gut and I'm stack at it, I think would
be what I'm most proud of myself was rather than
an actual moment. And I think that edgebut that I'm
(28:27):
going to be able to pass on to my kids persually.
Will not that my three year old sticks at anything
at the moment, see any patience, But that would definitely
be what I'm most proud of myself, Just trusting my
gut and stick into it.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Really Yeah yeah, And I think maybe not enough people
listen to their gut often. We can get really caught
up in the business or what other people think, or
you know, wanting to live up to expectation. And I
think that's really admirable.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, yeah, I would be honestly my probably piece of advice,
even life advice, all business advice, Trust your guts and
follow what you want to what you want to do,
and just own it. It's like, Yep, I move into
the chatterms and I'm going to do it and I'm
going to stick it out and here I am so yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I love that and I've just so enjoyed this chat. Grea.
Thank you so much for giving up your time for
us today. You're clearly one incredible working there and we're
really really grateful to have your insights and you sharing
the world of your life and the chattems with us
on the Black Hills and Tractor Wheels podcast. I'm not
(29:41):
sure if you've got black Hills all tractor wheels over
there actually, but not a lot of black Hills. But
we just so appreciate your insights and love your comments
there about resilience and trusting your gut and sticking with
the decisions you've made and being really joyful about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
No, thank you so much. Thank you for giving me
the opportunity this year. It's always a bit nervracking, but
it's great and people are always really interested in the
chat them, but I love being able to share with them.
You know what it's like to actually be here and
you love here.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Bria.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
You have a fabulous afternoon and we can't wait to
chat again.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah cool. Thank you so much, Ladady. Thanks bye bye,
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