November 12, 2024 • 27 mins
In this weeks episode I sit down with Sal Balharrie and Dannielle MacLean, directors of the compelling film Like My Brother. The film delves into the intertwined stories of community, culture, and the enduring spirit of Tiwi women through the lens of their shared passion for football—a sport that becomes a metaphor for resilience, identity, and the dual worlds Indigenous people navigate.
Sal and Dannielle share the intricate journey behind bringing Like My Brother to life, starting with Sal’s desire to amplify First Nations women’s voices in sport. We explore the challenges and triumphs they faced, from gaining trust and approval from Tiwi elders and the Land Council to highlighting the importance of cultural consultation and community involvement.
Join us as we discuss why Like My Brother is more than just a film about sport; it’s a heartfelt narrative about pride, cultural strength, and what it takes to walk in two worlds. This episode is filled with insights that resonate beyond film, offering valuable takeaways for anyone interested in cultural storytelling, community collaboration, and the power of representation. Keep an eye out for Like My Brother, previously in Cinemas, coming soon to streaming.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Black Cast Unite our voices. Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges
the traditional owners of the land we have recorded this
episode on. We also acknowledge traditional owners of the land
where you, the listener of youer are tuning in from.
We would like to pay our respects to our elders
past and present and acknowledged that this always was Aboriginal
(00:25):
land and always will be Aboriginal land.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
And then up Rocks is troopy and it's ticky well
of the tea. We've producers at the time of teacher
at Tewe College and.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
She's like, oh, you know, guys, good to jump in
the carp you here to film the girls. And I
was like, well, yeah, thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
She was like, yeah, they're ready for you. I'm like,
I haven't even spoken to anyone. Yeah, no, they're good.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Good.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bail.
Welcome to another episode of the Black Magic a Podcast.
I'm here on the beautiful lands of the Cooler Nations
and you can guess that I am in Melbourne, also
referred to in the traditional language as nam. I'm on
(01:12):
the couch and I'm joined by two lovely ladies that
are here also in beautiful name and I can't wait
for my guests. And also we've got viewers on YouTube
to hear about the one who you are, where you
come from, but also what brought you here to this
beautiful city. So I might start with you, if you
(01:33):
don't mind, can you introduce yourself to our guests and
then we'll go over to sal yep.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
So I'm Danny L. McLean.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I'm a war among the Lurch women from Central Australia.
But I live in Larochee Country in darwhen I was
born there, but I spent my whole life traveling up
and down the Stuart Highway to go home to family
come back again. But yeah, that's my life's been Northern
Territory and I love it.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So you've got a big family, yeah, your siblings.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Huge family.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I have my children, yes I do. I've got only
one child.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I had a quite late life. I love your daily.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
My mom's one of fifteen my family, the Cole family
from Central Australia. So I've got huge marble guy, forty
five first cousins. And you know we came on our
seconds and our thirds uncles aunties. So me and David
Cole yes, my cousin, David's my cousin married into being because.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
David and men are very close to my sister Yarick
okay great and little quaidon bos Yes, fantastic, So always
connection straight away, always.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
To thank you and to you, thank you. I'm sel
Bel Harry. I am an Australian woman. I live in Num.
I am proud to work and create on the lands
of the War on Jury people, and I am a
storyteller filmmaker and I love to think about the fact
(02:58):
that I am privileged to create and write on land
where storytellers have lived for sixty five thousand years before me.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And I'm so curious about that. And you know, hence
why I'm here.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Lovely and you have a husband, because you're telling me
that your hobby.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, is sailing.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, I'm a mad It's It's interesting because Dan, you
talk about desert people, and I'm an ocean person. I see,
I see desert country and I'm like, you know, how
do I get my head around it? Whereas I see
ocean and I just see this incredible expanse and the
fact that you can head out on water and sail
(03:37):
for free is and being able to use the pressure
of anyway, I could get onto sail whole thing. But
sailing is my passion.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Just in terms of like what what connects us as people,
and it usually is sometimes our hobbies. Yeah, right, So
the ocean, my mum was covered with freckles, hardly ever
wanted to go out to the beach and be out
on the sand and be out in the sun. And
I didn't realize why because otherwise should be codifakers. But
(04:07):
also she grew up in Redfern, like you know, Sydney,
like the block. It's like literally as Anita Heis talks
about being a concrete jungle. So I kind of went
to the beach as a kid and it was lovely.
Now I live near a beach near Malulaba. I've swam
in it five times in five years, maybe rap.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And then I go.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Out to desert country. My dad's from the Dawston River
and it's just red, red dust and I can't even
I can't even adjust to doing nothing, hearing nothing, seeing nothing,
and this stillness. So for my mum not really liking
the ocean, and my dad loving the country and the quietness,
(04:54):
I kind of I don't know if I like either all.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I think what both of those areas are connected by
is the sky. Yeah, And so you know when we
when you spend time in the desert or on the
Teewi and or you know anywhere in the world and
you look up and you see the Southern Cross that
you don't see the Southern Cross.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
What I've found.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I sail with my partner and we love Tasmania and
that just the coast of Tazzy and crossing Bas Strait,
the islands in the Bas Strait.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
And it was an old guy.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
There's this guy called John, and I've sailed with John,
you know, for all my life, and he like, one
day I was sailing along and it's night and you're
looking at the compass and you know, kind of freaking out,
and he's like, just just pick a star, and just
pick a star and just you know, think about the
world as a clock and just see that star at
like one o'clock, and so you're not just just be
comfortable that that star is at one o'clock.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
And that was just.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Such a beautiful sense of connection with the world. You
feel that in the desert as well.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, I think going to places like right, I was
at Olaru and looking at the sky, so different to
being on the sunny coast on kaby Kobbe Country and
looking at the sky. So you've obviously been to a
few places, traveled maybe the most of the country.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, And in terms of Danny, tell me about you know,
I don't know war among you people, war among your country.
When you said the Stuart Highway straight away, I knew.
But for listeners and also viewers, Larachie Country is obviously Darwin.
For those that don't know, war among you people are
obviously not from Darwin.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
No, So war among the people are from around Tenant Creek.
My grandmother's from a place called Bankerbaga Station and our
family's got native title, our extended family's got native title there.
So it's some interesting going back and stuff too. My
nana passed away a long time, but as I suit,
she had fifteen kids, so we all feel so connected
to mob and family and just getting to connect with
(06:55):
that country again. But yeah, my family, my grandmother and
grandfather actually lived in Alla Springs, which is are in
the country, but we spent a lot of time in Alice, know,
and just that's I love the desert like I love.
I don't see it as lifeless as it at all.
It's actually quite amazing. And yeah, it's like the ocean
in some ways. You know you're going out, you sit
(07:16):
under the stars and stuff.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
It's so powerful.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
But it is the shape of the ocean, the shape
of desert, the shape of sand. I'm always intrigued by
how you know, even when you swim over like seaweed,
it looks like trees. I'm always I mean, why should
it suppose me? I don't know why, but the fact
that like that desert can replicate ocean.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
But it is like the inland sea, right, you know
there was sea, so the remnants of that. And you
know when you talk about mob like country is like
you know all that stuffs still there. You know, the
power of all that stuff still there. And I just
think it is a love.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
It is beautiful.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I mean, I love the red and the blue of
the sky, the night sky.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Really special place.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And I think that's what our city folk are missing.
When you've grown up in the city and you spend
your whole life in the city and you haven't had
that time to just be still to go out on country.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
It's a really interesting thing.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I'm actually quite Yeah, it's something I've spoken about with
Tammy and Tiki because in making the film and we'll
get to talk to that.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
But just that concept of being on country.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You forget when you're in the city, you are on country,
of course, It's just that there's ash felt underneath you.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
People say that all the time, like I need to
go back to country, even though I live on cob
Comby Country. It ain't my traditional country, but just going
out to my backyard is actually being on country.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I just remember that for people that are listening to
this podcast, and I think you don't need to be
an Aboriginal personal first nations to connect to country. I
feel this sense of belonging.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I think also, like you know, like we've just been
attending the Melbourne International Film Festival and you know, we've
been We've got a film in competition, so we've been
there a lot and I've just really noticed maybe a
big change over the last five years. And welcome to country,
you know, used to feel very token and it was
something we just had to tick off the last few
(09:08):
welcomes to country and I would like, you know, we
had a young fellow Dan Daniel I can't remember his
surname the other day.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Which is a show.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
But they've just been so illuminating, so beautiful, and really
what was really fabulous actually was myth getting in touch
with us, particularly because we've got tea we people talking
about you know, how did they want to be incorporated
into or in some way you know that there should welcome?
(09:38):
How should that acknowledgment change to talk about tea Wee.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Well, but this is this is the diplomatic relationship.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Exactly what happened Traditionally people were welcome, you came on to.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Do we exchange gifts?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
What do we meet before or after?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Totally?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Do I bring my elders along?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I know.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I love that we're still navigating like cultural protocols or
diplomatic traditions Western society.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah totally.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
And you was watching this, Yeah, so what's been really
crowd of us In TIV language, a one of mamantha
means welcome friends, and that is something that we've you know,
we all we all say we all use it. But
it's been wonderful that the Melbourne guys have been taking
that on board as well. And we talk about a
one in a month and not being you know, it's
(10:26):
nothing about a welcome to country.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It's a welcome to story. And that's been something that's.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Really sort of grown over the you know, it's it's
actually become quite a transactional gift more as sort of
an opening up of conversation. That's what I've sort of
found exciting about that.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, and it's great having the teaing mob with us.
You know, they're coming with the film and stuff too,
and they can talk to the film in the.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Cultural way as well.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
But just feel like, you know, they are they're being
really realful of being on country, other people's country as well,
but saying we've got this story to share with you.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, that be just mindful, being respectful. Yeah, So tell
us about the te Wee people, the ti We women.
Is that how many here?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
So actually there's two left at the moment that.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
We went hard, we had three here. One went home
for the Grand Final football Grand Final. Yeah, did opening
night with us, got on a red eye flight back
to Darwin, overnight in Darwin and then went to Tiwe.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Unfortunately they didn't win the Grand Finals, so.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
They got that.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
She got there for the last quarter. Ye a baby
oh stop. So she was pretty much twenty four hour
turnaround to me.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Yeah the baby, yeah no, but she had to be there.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
The other two girlsment, well, the three of them were
in the same team, right, so that's a big loss.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Captain, co captain and vice captain. I think.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
So one went back, we had the other two. They
really want to all be here for the film. But
you know, the film is about football and the.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Importance of football and football being religion. And then it's like, well,
we can't ask them not to go back because that's
we know, that's their passion.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
They lived for it. Yeah, and when you think about
some of these not even just remote places, some regional places,
even like regional kids live for their sports. They live
for their saturdays, their football, basketball, I'll take they live
for it. So I could just imagine it's community and
(12:14):
they feel like they're going to let their coach down
if they're not there, or let their team down if
they're not there. Mum, I play this position. I'm like,
I know you do. Someone else would be there. You've
got an injury. We need to tender the injury. Mum
will do the X ray next week. I've got this game,
and what happened the injury, then is now going to
(12:34):
put my little fellow off I reckon for an extra
week or two because he doesn't want to let his
team down. So I could just imagine there's three women,
they're here, they've got a Grand Final on, and there's
this film that's being premiered to the world.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Is just I mean, how when we found out about
the date the clash it was so funny actually, because
you know, we all knew the world premiere It was
the tenth of August at the time in Melbourne, and
you know, I got the So we have three TV
co producers who are on the film as well, Tammy
and Shane and Tiki, and they've been involved since twenty eighteen,
so it's pretty amazing. But they were I got the
(13:12):
phone call from Tammy sal there's a problem. What's the problem.
Don't think any of the girls can come to the premiere?
Oh no, oh okay, football ground for what's going on?
Football Grand Final? There's a clash priorities, Yeah, priorities. And
then we were both like, this is what.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
The film's about.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
So this was just a weird coincidence. Oh my god,
this was raveling. So tell me you twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Third of February twenty seventeen, I went to I.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Was at home.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
My son came home and he said, hey, mum, you
know it's stinking hot.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Will you drive me across town to go to the footy?
And I'm like, mate's February. What do you mean? Who's
playing footy in the February?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Goes oh, it's the first AFLW women's game and I oh, oh, chie,
come on mate, I've had a huge week. And he said,
oh my god, that is so disappointing. I was like,
what do you mean it's so disappointing. He said, because
you raised me to be a feminist.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
And I was like, right, get in the car.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
We were going to support women. He so he wanted
to go and support women.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I don't even know it was this kid. Oh he
would have been eighteen.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, an eighteen year old yep.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
With his mates.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And his mates are all like, yes, we're feminists, and
I'm like, all right, you cheek it all the shits,
get in the car.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That's what you want.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
We want to do these stadiums and these women deserve those.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Stadiums to be full totally. And so he was twenty seventeen,
twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
So we went and it was amazing.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It was fresh, it was new, it was brilliant, it
was exciting, and I love I love sport.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And so I'm sitting there going.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Wow, this is incredible. Why does this Why hasn't this
happened fifty years ago? This is incredible that I was.
You know, I grew up in a footy household mad,
dad is mad?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Is'ton?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Playersolutely love Michael Long. Michael Long made my dad's life,
you know, live for Michael Long.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Lived for Michael Long. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And so my dad had told me about the tea Wei.
My dad had told me about tee wee magic and
te wee footy and why it was different. So I
had this sort of understand and I'm looking at this game, going, mabe,
you know, this is so exciting, but it's so white.
You know, where's the Michael Long and all the and
she is Miquelin along? You know, where is she? How
(15:32):
is she going to get here? How is that going
to happen? Like?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Are there any pathways?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
So like in that moment, at that time, there was
no First Nations women on the field, no visibly, no
there could have been first nations.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I don't think they were. You don't think they don't
think they were. I don't think they were. I'd love
to stand correct.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
You've got fair skin, ye, proud black fathers like Courtney
Google these days.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, Courtney is brilliant.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Courtney is meant to be sitting on this couch.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Courtney Google, I'll speak to her. Courtney. Courtney has been
a part of the film since.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah. So you're watching this game, you realize it's was
just curious and I just thought, not okay, And so
I called the AFL as you do, yeah, ring the
peak body the CEO.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, well I didn't actually I sort of got there
and I was like, so, you know, who's the head
of diversity inclusion? I don't even know what the phrase was.
Who looks after your indigenous players? Pretty much met this
guy called Matthew Stokes. Matthew was amazing. How to chat
with Matthew? And I thought, you know what, I think
I'm onto something here.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
One of the Stokes is from Dahl. I don't know, I.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Think he is. Yes, he played for Geelong.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It was a great footballer with Gelong and and then
he worked with Tanya. Yeah, so and Tanya Hodge and
then so I'm married to this beautiful man who said
I went home and went, I.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Think there's a story here. I think there's something. I
don't even know what it is.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And he said, well, I said, I think I'm going
to go to the TI and find out if they're
only girls so wanting to play footy truly this is
it's on blow and he said, well you better go.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I went, okay, I'm going to go.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And so I went, and I had a cameraman, and
I put some money into the film, and I had
a production company who said we'll match what you put in.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
And it was very early days and.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Pieces were coming together.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Things bit by bit, and flew in a tiny little plane,
those little charters.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
We flew around and then so landon and my beautiful
cameraman said.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Andy Hud said, Darling boy, Darwin guy, Yeah, do you
do you? Does anyone know you're here?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And I went, well, yeah, I think they do, and
he went, yeah, they'll know because they will have seen
the flight. And I'm thinking, oh cool, good because nothing's
working on the phone. And then up Rocks is Troopy
and it's Ticky who's with us?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
This week. You know, he's one of the two we
want to do one.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Of the tea we producers at the time of teacher
at Tew College. And she's like, oh, you know, guys
going to jump in the cup. You he'd have filmed
the girls. And I was like, well, yeah, I'm thinking
about it. She was like, yeah, they're ready for you.
I'm like, I haven't even spoken to anyone. She was, yeah, no,
they're good. Just how things work and community fifteen.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Just so you know, the reason I'm not telling this
story is because I wasn't involved at this stage.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Yeah, I know this story, but you know I was
a part of it.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
So the story started and those three girls were on board,
and Ticky was on board, and I just kept showing
up because the story was unfolding.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
That was the you know, the easy, the easy partner,
the heart's part.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
But it was easy to kind of I was putting
the building blocks together.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
But I'm a white storyteller, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So and whilst everyone was incredibly inviting, as soon as
I realized and I knew Dan then and then we
saw you. We were in Los Angeles and I saw
Dan and I was like, damn, I've got this idea.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
I have to tell you she did gay crash a
party I did.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
It was like the Australian Indigenous Filmmaker's party. And I'm like,
I'm Australian. I'm with the mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yah,
hey sis coming in? I did it looks fun? Yeah,
it was funny. Funny story about.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
That is that my son wants to be a film
He's a director who lives in London. Now he actually
edited the film with us, but about.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
His time, yeah yeah, but about this time.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Actually, I was like, Arch, what do you want to
be when you go out? And he's like, oh, Mom,
I'm still I'm going to be a film director. I
was like, well, who do you want to be? Like,
you've got to have a role model?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Who's your more?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
He goes, I want to be t t and I went, okay,
we'll get in line.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
But that's great. Who am I to you know?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
So go to this party see Danielle and like this
is two days later after my son said I want
to be tied and then I look across the.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, that's Tiger. Can I please? Can I? Can I
do a selfie? Because I've got to shave myself. Shelf
with Tiger's like the Big Books. Sent it to Archie.
I was like, where are you anyway? Dan? That was
how I tried to get you. You were resistant?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So did you know at all? Sou did you know?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
So?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Cell? I actually had forgotten.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
But Cell had actually had a project that I'd been
approached to write on that was out of Perth, and
so I did a little bit of writing. It was
development and Cell had given me some notes. But she
only reminded me of this later on. I actually she
actually reminded me again last night.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I was like, oh, that's right.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
But so we chatted that night, but I was on
I made Barumbi Kids. I'm one of the producers of
Barumba Kids, and so I kind of we were caught
up in that making that, developing that.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
And anthology series.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah, so there was a lot happening, and so what
it was early days and you know money, you know,
we're doing story.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
This is a typical story, right. A lot of people
don't realize it, and a lot of artists, musicians, all
the people in the arts where there's just no ma
But we've got these incredible stories and talented people and
we just can't seem to pull it all together. So
there's a million stories in this country that need to
be told, and how many of them get backed? I
(21:17):
talked to Annelia Pressel about this, how many actually get
the funding get the back.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
But you need people like Leah and like Sell who
believe in stories and going to keep pushing, pushing and pushing.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
And she did.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
And so we connected in La and then we sort
of you reached out a few times on emails and
then after Barambi Kids was finished, just timing yeah, and
then it was like, you know what, I live in Darwin.
I'm so close to these girls, and you know what
had happened then Sel had employed the girls came on
officially and Shane, Tipper, Munt and Mary came on board
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as co producers. Here we co producers, and I felt
safe that the community was you know, the story from
the community was going to be looked after they wanted it,
and so I thought.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
This story it was then as well we knew we
had the right elders Perueni, Marius, Mary, Maureen. So it's
really interesting because whilst the co producers are on board,
you know, the TV is a relatively small community two
and a half thousand people. I'm asking a lot of
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these people and of the co producers, I'm asking them
to tell a story on behalf of their community.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
And that's a big weight to carry and.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
A lot of pressure.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Really seriously though, and you know that's what we want
to do and do the right thing by mob and
stuff too. So I think we felt safe in that too.
And they call it out like if you wanted to
do something, They're like, no, we've got to talk to
this person and that person.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
But you knew you were insane, And.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I think I should have backtracked a little bit because
there's a really, really, really important step. You don't just
jump on a plane and rave in the TV. That's
kind of bullshit. I'm going to call myself out there because.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
That's sounded good.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well it was that the theory, but you know, you
have to approach the land council of course.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So and when that trooper just turned up in my head,
I was gone, have that trip, and now these fellows
were coming.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, totally, you did the right thing.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
So you reached out to.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well you have to, you have to have media permits.
But I didn't even know what I was making. So
I'm I'm asking a community to let me. Hi, I'm here,
I'm really I think there's a story here. Would you
like to make it with me?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Network, So we had a woman, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Crazy, make it with me is the actual key to that.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I'm going to make a film about.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Story and I need these average women and out.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah. No, no, I hadn't. I had a rough idea.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
But what was fantastic was I had to submit that
idea to the two Land Council and I had to
wait for their meeting, to the around.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Rival process and let the community everything you had to take.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
It gets put into an agenda, It gets printed out,
literally got I got photographs of it from Millicarpity basketball court.
It got printed out and laid out on the ground,
and it got discussed by the elders and the toos.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
The authority, the cultural authority totally.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And so I got so happy that last privilege. I've
got a letter of unanimous support and from the community
saying yep, you have unanimous support.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Still have it now? It still stands because if one.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Of the elders weren't happy, you know what would have happened.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
It just wouldn't have happened. It wouldn't have happened and this.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Conversation, and I love where we're going with it because
people are listening to this, whether they're in corporate Australia,
work in the government, or just MOB in community or
people that are engaging with MOB. Some of these lessons
right or really important steps to make sure that you
get the right people involved. I always say this that
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if it's the right process, and we always talk about
the Aboriginal kind of way in governance and stuff, if
it's the right process, you'll always end up with the
best outcome.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Yeah. I think that's true, and.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
That kind of can census decision making and everybody being
an agreement is a very important feature of Aboriginal governance
and decision making.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yeah, and they're also like they're making decisions about what
they think their communities need.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Not feel like about me to vote who wants it
because you have said no? And then you've got community
divided because of this project from some white woman who's
flown in from Melbourne, you know what I mean. So
there's conflict sometimes that non Aboriginal people don't fully understand
because they're imposing their way on us, and that then
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you know it imposed you know they can divide people.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Yeah, but you know that thing about consensus, whether you
do get consensus or not, but people it.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Doesn't always happen enough.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
But you know that they're taking it back to mob too.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
They're going, this is what we're you know, it's not
just these people making the decision. They're taking it back
to their family to discuss it, or they're telling people
that it's happening. So when that plane comes in, they
know exactly what.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Everyone knew what it was.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
It was the proper consultation with community. So whether it's
a film or whether it's a project happening at Telstra
or Combank. Right, there's Aboriginal principles and Aboriginal approaches and
an Aboriginal way of doing things when you're engaging with
us as first people's first nation to people, and a
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lot of people can learn if you look at the
Aboriginal ways of doing things and how we reach consensus.
It's all based on relationships.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
And I think you have to stoop. There's a couple
of things there. First of all, you can only build
at the speed of trust. Yeah, that's that's the thing
that I think corporate Australia doesn't get and can't afford
to get well.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
They've also got time that limits them, Yes, because they
need to do things by this time. There's a deadline
and in community. Sorry your time.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
This will happen when it happens.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Join us next week for part two of Mondonara's Yarn
with Dannielle and Sale. We thought that we were making
a footy film. This is not a footy film.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
This is a film exactly what you're saying about what
it takes to walk proudly into worlds.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
A big shout out to all you Deadly Mob and
allies who continue to listen, watch, and support our podcast.
Your feedback means the world. You can rate and review
the podcast on Apple and Spotify, or even head to
our socials and YouTube channel and drop us a line.
We'd love to hear from you. The Black Magic Woman
podcast is produced by Clint Curtis.
Black Cast Unite our voices. Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges
the traditional owners of the land we have recorded this
episode on. We also acknowledge traditional owners of the land
where you, the listener of youer are tuning in from.
We would like to pay our respects to our elders
past and present and acknowledged that this always was Aboriginal
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land and always will be Aboriginal land.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
And then up Rocks is troopy and it's ticky well
of the tea. We've producers at the time of teacher
at Tewe College and.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
She's like, oh, you know, guys, good to jump in
the carp you here to film the girls. And I
was like, well, yeah, thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
She was like, yeah, they're ready for you. I'm like,
I haven't even spoken to anyone. Yeah, no, they're good.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Good.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bail.
Welcome to another episode of the Black Magic a Podcast.
I'm here on the beautiful lands of the Cooler Nations
and you can guess that I am in Melbourne, also
referred to in the traditional language as nam. I'm on
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the couch and I'm joined by two lovely ladies that
are here also in beautiful name and I can't wait
for my guests. And also we've got viewers on YouTube
to hear about the one who you are, where you
come from, but also what brought you here to this
beautiful city. So I might start with you, if you
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don't mind, can you introduce yourself to our guests and
then we'll go over to sal yep.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
So I'm Danny L. McLean.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I'm a war among the Lurch women from Central Australia.
But I live in Larochee Country in darwhen I was
born there, but I spent my whole life traveling up
and down the Stuart Highway to go home to family
come back again. But yeah, that's my life's been Northern
Territory and I love it.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So you've got a big family, yeah, your siblings.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Huge family.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I have my children, yes I do. I've got only
one child.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I had a quite late life. I love your daily.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
My mom's one of fifteen my family, the Cole family
from Central Australia. So I've got huge marble guy, forty
five first cousins. And you know we came on our
seconds and our thirds uncles aunties. So me and David
Cole yes, my cousin, David's my cousin married into being because.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
David and men are very close to my sister Yarick
okay great and little quaidon bos Yes, fantastic, So always
connection straight away, always.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
To thank you and to you, thank you. I'm sel
Bel Harry. I am an Australian woman. I live in Num.
I am proud to work and create on the lands
of the War on Jury people, and I am a
storyteller filmmaker and I love to think about the fact
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that I am privileged to create and write on land
where storytellers have lived for sixty five thousand years before me.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And I'm so curious about that. And you know, hence
why I'm here.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Lovely and you have a husband, because you're telling me
that your hobby.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, is sailing.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, I'm a mad It's It's interesting because Dan, you
talk about desert people, and I'm an ocean person. I see,
I see desert country and I'm like, you know, how
do I get my head around it? Whereas I see
ocean and I just see this incredible expanse and the
fact that you can head out on water and sail
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for free is and being able to use the pressure
of anyway, I could get onto sail whole thing. But
sailing is my passion.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Just in terms of like what what connects us as people,
and it usually is sometimes our hobbies. Yeah, right, So
the ocean, my mum was covered with freckles, hardly ever
wanted to go out to the beach and be out
on the sand and be out in the sun. And
I didn't realize why because otherwise should be codifakers. But
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also she grew up in Redfern, like you know, Sydney,
like the block. It's like literally as Anita Heis talks
about being a concrete jungle. So I kind of went
to the beach as a kid and it was lovely.
Now I live near a beach near Malulaba. I've swam
in it five times in five years, maybe rap.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And then I go.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Out to desert country. My dad's from the Dawston River
and it's just red, red dust and I can't even
I can't even adjust to doing nothing, hearing nothing, seeing nothing,
and this stillness. So for my mum not really liking
the ocean, and my dad loving the country and the quietness,
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I kind of I don't know if I like either all.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I think what both of those areas are connected by
is the sky. Yeah, And so you know when we
when you spend time in the desert or on the
Teewi and or you know anywhere in the world and
you look up and you see the Southern Cross that
you don't see the Southern Cross.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
What I've found.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I sail with my partner and we love Tasmania and
that just the coast of Tazzy and crossing Bas Strait,
the islands in the Bas Strait.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
And it was an old guy.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
There's this guy called John, and I've sailed with John,
you know, for all my life, and he like, one
day I was sailing along and it's night and you're
looking at the compass and you know, kind of freaking out,
and he's like, just just pick a star, and just
pick a star and just you know, think about the
world as a clock and just see that star at
like one o'clock, and so you're not just just be
comfortable that that star is at one o'clock.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
And that was just.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Such a beautiful sense of connection with the world. You
feel that in the desert as well.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, I think going to places like right, I was
at Olaru and looking at the sky, so different to
being on the sunny coast on kaby Kobbe Country and
looking at the sky. So you've obviously been to a
few places, traveled maybe the most of the country.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, And in terms of Danny, tell me about you know,
I don't know war among you people, war among your country.
When you said the Stuart Highway straight away, I knew.
But for listeners and also viewers, Larachie Country is obviously Darwin.
For those that don't know, war among you people are
obviously not from Darwin.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
No, So war among the people are from around Tenant Creek.
My grandmother's from a place called Bankerbaga Station and our
family's got native title, our extended family's got native title there.
So it's some interesting going back and stuff too. My
nana passed away a long time, but as I suit,
she had fifteen kids, so we all feel so connected
to mob and family and just getting to connect with
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that country again. But yeah, my family, my grandmother and
grandfather actually lived in Alla Springs, which is are in
the country, but we spent a lot of time in Alice, know,
and just that's I love the desert like I love.
I don't see it as lifeless as it at all.
It's actually quite amazing. And yeah, it's like the ocean
in some ways. You know you're going out, you sit
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under the stars and stuff.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
It's so powerful.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
But it is the shape of the ocean, the shape
of desert, the shape of sand. I'm always intrigued by
how you know, even when you swim over like seaweed,
it looks like trees. I'm always I mean, why should
it suppose me? I don't know why, but the fact
that like that desert can replicate ocean.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
But it is like the inland sea, right, you know
there was sea, so the remnants of that. And you
know when you talk about mob like country is like
you know all that stuffs still there. You know, the
power of all that stuff still there. And I just
think it is a love.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
It is beautiful.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I mean, I love the red and the blue of
the sky, the night sky.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Really special place.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And I think that's what our city folk are missing.
When you've grown up in the city and you spend
your whole life in the city and you haven't had
that time to just be still to go out on country.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
It's a really interesting thing.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I'm actually quite Yeah, it's something I've spoken about with
Tammy and Tiki because in making the film and we'll
get to talk to that.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
But just that concept of being on country.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You forget when you're in the city, you are on country,
of course, It's just that there's ash felt underneath you.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
People say that all the time, like I need to
go back to country, even though I live on cob
Comby Country. It ain't my traditional country, but just going
out to my backyard is actually being on country.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I just remember that for people that are listening to
this podcast, and I think you don't need to be
an Aboriginal personal first nations to connect to country. I
feel this sense of belonging.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I think also, like you know, like we've just been
attending the Melbourne International Film Festival and you know, we've
been We've got a film in competition, so we've been
there a lot and I've just really noticed maybe a
big change over the last five years. And welcome to country,
you know, used to feel very token and it was
something we just had to tick off the last few
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welcomes to country and I would like, you know, we
had a young fellow Dan Daniel I can't remember his
surname the other day.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Which is a show.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
But they've just been so illuminating, so beautiful, and really
what was really fabulous actually was myth getting in touch
with us, particularly because we've got tea we people talking
about you know, how did they want to be incorporated
into or in some way you know that there should welcome?
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How should that acknowledgment change to talk about tea Wee.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Well, but this is this is the diplomatic relationship.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Exactly what happened Traditionally people were welcome, you came on to.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Do we exchange gifts?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
What do we meet before or after?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Totally?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Do I bring my elders along?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I know.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I love that we're still navigating like cultural protocols or
diplomatic traditions Western society.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah totally.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
And you was watching this, Yeah, so what's been really
crowd of us In TIV language, a one of mamantha
means welcome friends, and that is something that we've you know,
we all we all say we all use it. But
it's been wonderful that the Melbourne guys have been taking
that on board as well. And we talk about a
one in a month and not being you know, it's
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nothing about a welcome to country.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It's a welcome to story. And that's been something that's.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Really sort of grown over the you know, it's it's
actually become quite a transactional gift more as sort of
an opening up of conversation. That's what I've sort of
found exciting about that.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, and it's great having the teaing mob with us.
You know, they're coming with the film and stuff too,
and they can talk to the film in the.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Cultural way as well.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
But just feel like, you know, they are they're being
really realful of being on country, other people's country as well,
but saying we've got this story to share with you.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, that be just mindful, being respectful. Yeah, So tell
us about the te Wee people, the ti We women.
Is that how many here?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
So actually there's two left at the moment that.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
We went hard, we had three here. One went home
for the Grand Final football Grand Final. Yeah, did opening
night with us, got on a red eye flight back
to Darwin, overnight in Darwin and then went to Tiwe.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Unfortunately they didn't win the Grand Finals, so.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
They got that.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
She got there for the last quarter. Ye a baby
oh stop. So she was pretty much twenty four hour
turnaround to me.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Yeah the baby, yeah no, but she had to be there.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
The other two girlsment, well, the three of them were
in the same team, right, so that's a big loss.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Captain, co captain and vice captain. I think.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
So one went back, we had the other two. They
really want to all be here for the film. But
you know, the film is about football and the.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Importance of football and football being religion. And then it's like, well,
we can't ask them not to go back because that's
we know, that's their passion.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
They lived for it. Yeah, and when you think about
some of these not even just remote places, some regional places,
even like regional kids live for their sports. They live
for their saturdays, their football, basketball, I'll take they live
for it. So I could just imagine it's community and
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they feel like they're going to let their coach down
if they're not there, or let their team down if
they're not there. Mum, I play this position. I'm like,
I know you do. Someone else would be there. You've
got an injury. We need to tender the injury. Mum
will do the X ray next week. I've got this game,
and what happened the injury, then is now going to
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put my little fellow off I reckon for an extra
week or two because he doesn't want to let his
team down. So I could just imagine there's three women,
they're here, they've got a Grand Final on, and there's
this film that's being premiered to the world.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Is just I mean, how when we found out about
the date the clash it was so funny actually, because
you know, we all knew the world premiere It was
the tenth of August at the time in Melbourne, and
you know, I got the So we have three TV
co producers who are on the film as well, Tammy
and Shane and Tiki, and they've been involved since twenty eighteen,
so it's pretty amazing. But they were I got the
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phone call from Tammy sal there's a problem. What's the problem.
Don't think any of the girls can come to the premiere?
Oh no, oh okay, football ground for what's going on?
Football Grand Final? There's a clash priorities, Yeah, priorities. And
then we were both like, this is what.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
The film's about.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
So this was just a weird coincidence. Oh my god,
this was raveling. So tell me you twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Third of February twenty seventeen, I went to I.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Was at home.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
My son came home and he said, hey, mum, you
know it's stinking hot.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Will you drive me across town to go to the footy?
And I'm like, mate's February. What do you mean? Who's
playing footy in the February?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Goes oh, it's the first AFLW women's game and I oh, oh, chie,
come on mate, I've had a huge week. And he said,
oh my god, that is so disappointing. I was like,
what do you mean it's so disappointing. He said, because
you raised me to be a feminist.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
And I was like, right, get in the car.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
We were going to support women. He so he wanted
to go and support women.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I don't even know it was this kid. Oh he
would have been eighteen.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, an eighteen year old yep.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
With his mates.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And his mates are all like, yes, we're feminists, and
I'm like, all right, you cheek it all the shits,
get in the car.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That's what you want.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
We want to do these stadiums and these women deserve those.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Stadiums to be full totally. And so he was twenty seventeen,
twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
So we went and it was amazing.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It was fresh, it was new, it was brilliant, it
was exciting, and I love I love sport.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And so I'm sitting there going.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Wow, this is incredible. Why does this Why hasn't this
happened fifty years ago? This is incredible that I was.
You know, I grew up in a footy household mad,
dad is mad?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Is'ton?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Playersolutely love Michael Long. Michael Long made my dad's life,
you know, live for Michael Long.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Lived for Michael Long. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And so my dad had told me about the tea Wei.
My dad had told me about tee wee magic and
te wee footy and why it was different. So I
had this sort of understand and I'm looking at this game, going, mabe,
you know, this is so exciting, but it's so white.
You know, where's the Michael Long and all the and
she is Miquelin along? You know, where is she? How
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is she going to get here? How is that going
to happen? Like?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Are there any pathways?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
So like in that moment, at that time, there was
no First Nations women on the field, no visibly, no
there could have been first nations.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I don't think they were. You don't think they don't
think they were. I don't think they were. I'd love
to stand correct.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
You've got fair skin, ye, proud black fathers like Courtney
Google these days.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, Courtney is brilliant.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Courtney is meant to be sitting on this couch.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Courtney Google, I'll speak to her. Courtney. Courtney has been
a part of the film since.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah. So you're watching this game, you realize it's was
just curious and I just thought, not okay, And so
I called the AFL as you do, yeah, ring the
peak body the CEO.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, well I didn't actually I sort of got there
and I was like, so, you know, who's the head
of diversity inclusion? I don't even know what the phrase was.
Who looks after your indigenous players? Pretty much met this
guy called Matthew Stokes. Matthew was amazing. How to chat
with Matthew? And I thought, you know what, I think
I'm onto something here.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
One of the Stokes is from Dahl. I don't know, I.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Think he is. Yes, he played for Geelong.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It was a great footballer with Gelong and and then
he worked with Tanya. Yeah, so and Tanya Hodge and
then so I'm married to this beautiful man who said
I went home and went, I.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Think there's a story here. I think there's something. I
don't even know what it is.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And he said, well, I said, I think I'm going
to go to the TI and find out if they're
only girls so wanting to play footy truly this is
it's on blow and he said, well you better go.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I went, okay, I'm going to go.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And so I went, and I had a cameraman, and
I put some money into the film, and I had
a production company who said we'll match what you put in.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
And it was very early days and.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Pieces were coming together.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Things bit by bit, and flew in a tiny little plane,
those little charters.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
We flew around and then so landon and my beautiful
cameraman said.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Andy Hud said, Darling boy, Darwin guy, Yeah, do you
do you? Does anyone know you're here?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And I went, well, yeah, I think they do, and
he went, yeah, they'll know because they will have seen
the flight. And I'm thinking, oh cool, good because nothing's
working on the phone. And then up Rocks is Troopy
and it's Ticky who's with us?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
This week. You know, he's one of the two we
want to do one.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Of the tea we producers at the time of teacher
at Tew College. And she's like, oh, you know, guys
going to jump in the cup. You he'd have filmed
the girls. And I was like, well, yeah, I'm thinking
about it. She was like, yeah, they're ready for you.
I'm like, I haven't even spoken to anyone. She was, yeah, no,
they're good. Just how things work and community fifteen.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Just so you know, the reason I'm not telling this
story is because I wasn't involved at this stage.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Yeah, I know this story, but you know I was
a part of it.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
So the story started and those three girls were on board,
and Ticky was on board, and I just kept showing
up because the story was unfolding.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
That was the you know, the easy, the easy partner,
the heart's part.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
But it was easy to kind of I was putting
the building blocks together.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
But I'm a white storyteller, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So and whilst everyone was incredibly inviting, as soon as
I realized and I knew Dan then and then we
saw you. We were in Los Angeles and I saw
Dan and I was like, damn, I've got this idea.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
I have to tell you she did gay crash a
party I did.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
It was like the Australian Indigenous Filmmaker's party. And I'm like,
I'm Australian. I'm with the mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yah,
hey sis coming in? I did it looks fun? Yeah,
it was funny. Funny story about.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
That is that my son wants to be a film
He's a director who lives in London. Now he actually
edited the film with us, but about.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
His time, yeah yeah, but about this time.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Actually, I was like, Arch, what do you want to
be when you go out? And he's like, oh, Mom,
I'm still I'm going to be a film director. I
was like, well, who do you want to be? Like,
you've got to have a role model?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Who's your more?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
He goes, I want to be t t and I went, okay,
we'll get in line.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
But that's great. Who am I to you know?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
So go to this party see Danielle and like this
is two days later after my son said I want
to be tied and then I look across the.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, that's Tiger. Can I please? Can I? Can I
do a selfie? Because I've got to shave myself. Shelf
with Tiger's like the Big Books. Sent it to Archie.
I was like, where are you anyway? Dan? That was
how I tried to get you. You were resistant?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So did you know at all? Sou did you know?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
So?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Cell? I actually had forgotten.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
But Cell had actually had a project that I'd been
approached to write on that was out of Perth, and
so I did a little bit of writing. It was
development and Cell had given me some notes. But she
only reminded me of this later on. I actually she
actually reminded me again last night.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I was like, oh, that's right.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
But so we chatted that night, but I was on
I made Barumbi Kids. I'm one of the producers of
Barumba Kids, and so I kind of we were caught
up in that making that, developing that.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
And anthology series.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah, so there was a lot happening, and so what
it was early days and you know money, you know,
we're doing story.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
This is a typical story, right. A lot of people
don't realize it, and a lot of artists, musicians, all
the people in the arts where there's just no ma
But we've got these incredible stories and talented people and
we just can't seem to pull it all together. So
there's a million stories in this country that need to
be told, and how many of them get backed? I
(21:17):
talked to Annelia Pressel about this, how many actually get
the funding get the back.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
But you need people like Leah and like Sell who
believe in stories and going to keep pushing, pushing and pushing.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
And she did.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
And so we connected in La and then we sort
of you reached out a few times on emails and
then after Barambi Kids was finished, just timing yeah, and
then it was like, you know what, I live in Darwin.
I'm so close to these girls, and you know what
had happened then Sel had employed the girls came on
officially and Shane, Tipper, Munt and Mary came on board
(21:50):
as co producers. Here we co producers, and I felt
safe that the community was you know, the story from
the community was going to be looked after they wanted it,
and so I thought.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
This story it was then as well we knew we
had the right elders Perueni, Marius, Mary, Maureen. So it's
really interesting because whilst the co producers are on board,
you know, the TV is a relatively small community two
and a half thousand people. I'm asking a lot of
(22:22):
these people and of the co producers, I'm asking them
to tell a story on behalf of their community.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
And that's a big weight to carry and.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
A lot of pressure.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Really seriously though, and you know that's what we want
to do and do the right thing by mob and
stuff too. So I think we felt safe in that too.
And they call it out like if you wanted to
do something, They're like, no, we've got to talk to
this person and that person.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
But you knew you were insane, And.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I think I should have backtracked a little bit because
there's a really, really, really important step. You don't just
jump on a plane and rave in the TV. That's
kind of bullshit. I'm going to call myself out there because.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
That's sounded good.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well it was that the theory, but you know, you
have to approach the land council of course.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So and when that trooper just turned up in my head,
I was gone, have that trip, and now these fellows
were coming.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, totally, you did the right thing.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
So you reached out to.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well you have to, you have to have media permits.
But I didn't even know what I was making. So
I'm I'm asking a community to let me. Hi, I'm here,
I'm really I think there's a story here. Would you
like to make it with me?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Network, So we had a woman, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Crazy, make it with me is the actual key to that.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I'm going to make a film about.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Story and I need these average women and out.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah. No, no, I hadn't. I had a rough idea.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
But what was fantastic was I had to submit that
idea to the two Land Council and I had to
wait for their meeting, to the around.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Rival process and let the community everything you had to take.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
It gets put into an agenda, It gets printed out,
literally got I got photographs of it from Millicarpity basketball court.
It got printed out and laid out on the ground,
and it got discussed by the elders and the toos.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
The authority, the cultural authority totally.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And so I got so happy that last privilege. I've
got a letter of unanimous support and from the community
saying yep, you have unanimous support.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Still have it now? It still stands because if one.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Of the elders weren't happy, you know what would have happened.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
It just wouldn't have happened. It wouldn't have happened and this.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Conversation, and I love where we're going with it because
people are listening to this, whether they're in corporate Australia,
work in the government, or just MOB in community or
people that are engaging with MOB. Some of these lessons
right or really important steps to make sure that you
get the right people involved. I always say this that
(24:55):
if it's the right process, and we always talk about
the Aboriginal kind of way in governance and stuff, if
it's the right process, you'll always end up with the
best outcome.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Yeah. I think that's true, and.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
That kind of can census decision making and everybody being
an agreement is a very important feature of Aboriginal governance
and decision making.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yeah, and they're also like they're making decisions about what
they think their communities need.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Not feel like about me to vote who wants it
because you have said no? And then you've got community
divided because of this project from some white woman who's
flown in from Melbourne, you know what I mean. So
there's conflict sometimes that non Aboriginal people don't fully understand
because they're imposing their way on us, and that then
(25:44):
you know it imposed you know they can divide people.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Yeah, but you know that thing about consensus, whether you
do get consensus or not, but people it.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Doesn't always happen enough.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
But you know that they're taking it back to mob too.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
They're going, this is what we're you know, it's not
just these people making the decision. They're taking it back
to their family to discuss it, or they're telling people
that it's happening. So when that plane comes in, they
know exactly what.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Everyone knew what it was.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
It was the proper consultation with community. So whether it's
a film or whether it's a project happening at Telstra
or Combank. Right, there's Aboriginal principles and Aboriginal approaches and
an Aboriginal way of doing things when you're engaging with
us as first people's first nation to people, and a
(26:27):
lot of people can learn if you look at the
Aboriginal ways of doing things and how we reach consensus.
It's all based on relationships.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
And I think you have to stoop. There's a couple
of things there. First of all, you can only build
at the speed of trust. Yeah, that's that's the thing
that I think corporate Australia doesn't get and can't afford
to get well.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
They've also got time that limits them, Yes, because they
need to do things by this time. There's a deadline
and in community. Sorry your time.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
This will happen when it happens.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Join us next week for part two of Mondonara's Yarn
with Dannielle and Sale. We thought that we were making
a footy film. This is not a footy film.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
This is a film exactly what you're saying about what
it takes to walk proudly into worlds.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
A big shout out to all you Deadly Mob and
allies who continue to listen, watch, and support our podcast.
Your feedback means the world. You can rate and review
the podcast on Apple and Spotify, or even head to
our socials and YouTube channel and drop us a line.
We'd love to hear from you. The Black Magic Woman
podcast is produced by Clint Curtis.
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