May 29, 2025 • 30 mins
I sit down with Walters Nkemfack, a proud Cameroonian-Australian father, cultural educator, and social justice advocate living on Kabi Kabi Country. Walters shares his deeply personal journey from Cameroon to Germany and finally to the Sunshine Coast—where the racism his young son experienced in kindergarten sparked a lifelong commitment to community-building and anti-racism work.
From his grassroots “leaf experiment” in a classroom to becoming an ambassador for the Shine a Light on Racism campaign, Walters’ story is a testament to turning pain into purpose. He talks candidly about the realities of systemic discrimination in workplaces and schools, the exhaustion of starting over in each new setting, and the courage it takes to speak out when silence feels safer.
This yarn is a reminder that inclusion is more than diversity—it’s about creating spaces where everyone feels like they truly belong.
Resources & Links
Anti-Racism Campaigns & Education
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Shine a Light on Racism (Sunshine Coast Council)
https://www.sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au/living-and-community/community-support/shine-a-light-on-racism -
Shine a Light Educational Resources
https://haveyoursay.sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au/shinealightonracism/educate -
Shine a Light: Make a Pledge
https://www.sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au/living-and-community/community-support/shine-a-light-on-racism/pledge -
Racism. It Stops With Me (Australian Human Rights Commission)
https://itstopswithme.humanrights.gov.au/ -
Racism. It Stops With Me – Resource Hub
https://itstopswithme.humanrights.gov.au/resourcehub -
Racism. It Stops With Me – Support Services
https://itstopswithme.humanrights.gov.au/take-action/support-services
Reporting Racism
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Racism Register
https://racismregister.org/ -
Racism Register – About
https://racismregister.org/pages/about -
Call It Out (First Nations Racism Register)
https://callitout.com.au/
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Black cast, Unite our voices. Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges
the traditional owners of the land we have recorded this
episode on. We also acknowledge traditional owners of the land
where you, the listener or viewer, are tuning in from.
We would like to pay our respects to our elders
past and present and acknowledged that this always was Aboriginal
(00:25):
land and always will be Aboriginal land.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandinara Bales.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Hey you, mob, thank you for joining me for another
amazing episode of Black Magic On podcast. I am really
looking forward.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
To this yarn. It's been.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
A topic of conversation in terms of meeting people from
different cultures and backgrounds, also experiencing racism and discrimination as
a resident ratepayer on the beautiful Sunny Coast on Cobbycoby Country.
So I've joined forces with a few different people on
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the Sunny Coast for an amazing initiative which is actually
supported by the Sunshine Coast Council, called Shine a Light
on Racism. I really want people to have a look
at the resources and the show notes, especially after this episode,
and see how you can take action and educate yourself
or even educate your family and friends or even colleagues
(01:35):
in the workplace. You don't have to live on the
Sunnay Coast to see the value in these resources. But
it's just one really important initiative that I guess I've
committed to as an ambassador along with my brother here
that's joining me for this yarn today.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
To hear all of the other things that you've been doing.
But also it'd be good for my listeners and also
have viewers on YouTube to hear a little bit about
your story and how did you even come to the
Sunny Coast. But right now we're on the beautiful lands
of the Yagur of people's here in Mungang, and so
I just want to acknowledge where I am right now,
(02:16):
usually on kaby Kobe country, but not today. We have
bumped into each other at the human rights summit here
at the State Library.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
So just who would have.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Thought you and I'd be sitting here now doing this podcast.
So it's definitely meant to be, as I believe, you know,
the old people and the ancestors I always think of
when you cross paths with someone and you're like, I'm
meant to meet this person. So yeah, I can't wait
to hear your story. I don't know your full story
from the few interactions and the few meetings and a
(02:48):
few events that we've been to. So my brother tell
the listeners a bit about yourself, your name, who's your mob,
and a little bit about where you grew up.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Oh, thank you very much. I think this is long
over due discussion.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I want to know the Yagara people and terrible peoples
that were meeting here today and pay respect to their
past and present and emerging ones as well. So yeah,
it's been longer a you. Like I said, my names
are Walters caem Fac. I hail from the British Southern Cameroons.
Most of most people would know Cameroon as a French country,
(03:23):
but I come from the minority English part of Cameroon,
so I know, I understand. And no colonialism, not once,
but twice. We were colonized by the French and the
British and then for that recolonized by our French Cameroon brothers.
So we live in a very old press and so
(03:46):
my journey started. I did serve in the military, but
I got an incident where we got held hostage and
then I really when I got relocated, I didn't have
the options to go back home. They gave me a
couple of options. I chose to go to Germany because
I love football they call it in Australia soccer. I'm
very passionate about that. So I relocated in Germany where
(04:07):
I met Whilst in Germany, I met a girl that
was born in Rocky and grew up on the Sony
Coast and we started dating a few years later. We
decided when she had a child, after we had gotten married,
traditionally we decided that we were going to relocate to
the Sonic Coast. I think, in my opinion, the most
(04:28):
beautiful part of of Australia, the most beautiful part of Australia.
So I really relocated there. Came into the Sunshine Coast,
minding my own business, was trying to you know, support
my family and be you know, a good citizen. I
started getting exposed in public setting when I had issues
(04:50):
at work. And then from then it simultaneously happened with
when my kids started kindy. When he went to Kindy,
he was like really isolated, racially abused, so much so
that he came back home and didn't want to go
back to school, and I, as a parent that had
paid for private education for the kid, you know, you know,
(05:13):
I got really angry and I thought, I've put all
this amount of money. My kid had to be in
the safe space. So I call up the school, had
a young with the principal and the teacher. In the
first instance, I was ready to fight as a fighter,
but just having that conversation, I just felt the conviction
that there's need for something more than you know, just fighting.
(05:38):
And I kind of like it was young kids, if
it was like adults that I was facing from my
work at that time when I was working at the
Sunshine Cost Health Services and I was having a lot
of racial discrimination in terms of work in carrier approgression
and stuff like that. But this was different scenario with
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my kid because he was young and you.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Know how old I talking about.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
He was, like, so I sent him to school like
he was four. He was four teeny and five, so
like a year earlier.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
So I went into the school after having these conversations
with the principal and we decided that we would I
should come. I have an education background as well, so
I they decided I should come and do something with
the kids. I went into that school. You know, on
the day that I was traveling to the school, I
(06:32):
collected leaves in different shape, sizes, and color and I
sat in the room myself with the kids. We sat there,
we conduct some sort of a social experiment and at
the end of that experiment, they determined that we all
determined that all of the items that are brought in
were leaves, but became in differentiate sizes and color. So
I create used that analogy to explain to the kids
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that we as people, we come in differentiate sizes and color.
And you could see their little minds going all over
the place. And I granted that with like playing like
bongos and singing and poems in French and in my
native dialect.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
So you made this learning experience fun.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's not angry and not not you know, not blaming
the children for you know, saying, hey, he's dark, or
you're black, or you're different, I can't play with you
because you don't look like them, or you're not invited.
So instead of going into all of that, you had
(07:31):
a different approach.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I had like a totally different approach, and I was
doing that in real time. I never actually thought. I
was just like, how can I make these kids to understand?
Speaker 5 (07:42):
You made it up on the goal.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, so it wasn't like a carefully planned, calculated stuff.
And I collected those lids right from the time that
I was getting into the school and after that incident.
What taught me and what grants everything that I've been
doing in this space of social justice over the is
that those kids, my kid became the most popular kid
(08:06):
in school. Everyone wanted to be their friends when they.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Were crazy with that cool.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yes, exactly so, And that is the phenomen you know,
people are always quick to judge without the first impression
of people that you know, that's where the judge you.
And so that experience created not only with the kids,
their parents. The kids went back home and explained that
scenario to their families. Their families were like, oh, my goodness,
(08:30):
you know, if I'm the one, I would be, you know,
much more frustrated and wanting to fight. But they found
the approach very interesting in such a way that it
created it's packed conversations that when I went to drop
off my kids or met them on like football sports
days and all those sort of things, it just went
whatd and I was like, Wow, you.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Had parents probably interacting with you, conversing and engaging with
you over this experience with their kids, which probably has
created relationship for you.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Or long time like long time relationships that I've got
with this with people that I never actually knew because
they just appreciated the opportunity that I got in This.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Is what I need to do, Like, I need to
find a way to go into the schools, not take
my kids out of the schools. My mom and dad
took us out of eight schools growing up. I went
to fourteen different schools. So this little approach, this little experiment, right,
if we really want to get creative, we can actually
(09:34):
come up with some amazing little like you said, it
was like a social experiment. But then it creates the
there's a shift with then adults, parents communicating and not
feeling uncomfortable around us as people of color exactly because
we live in a very white community, right, there's not
(09:57):
much diversity, So you do feel that people are a
little bit uncomfortable or on edge around you, or they
just don't know how to act normal.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Like the idea about sunshine, because they're like, we are diverse,
but we you know, it's just there is this on
communicative sort of approach, that setting that is on the
course that even though we are diverse, but just be
you and let be me and you know, and you would.
(10:30):
Most often you get those really strong, aggressive and racial
things like in the pops where people.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Have drunk too much.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
But sometimes it's like this segregation, and I think there
need to be much more opportunities where conversations can happen and.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
It can start with parents in the school.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Schools two children like this is amazing that this has
happened and has basically, you know, been something that you
can do as a positive step, practical step to address
something that needs to be addressed.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
But most people don't know what to do when it.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Comes to children in the classroom, little people.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Sometimes I think, you know, let's go in.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I've done this and with my kids taken the Aboriginal
Languages map and talk to them about this map and
who we are and where we come from as why
they're three and four, start introducing this concept you know
that we are Aboriginal people.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
But we're not, you know, too different to you. So
your children are.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
How old are there?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
It's twelve and nine?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Eight nine.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, yeah, and how are they finding school now? They're
still living on the sand.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
They're just living with transitioned into the you know, my
since that experience, it's been so joyful because my first
song that was not really like said he wasn't going
to go to school anymore, and he loves learning.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
He loves school because.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I had to make that experience better for him. And
currently with my second son, there is a little bit
of that and I haven't actually done which I need
to do similar because he is finding that challenge.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
K Yes, he keeps, you know, questioning.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Why the other kids are a bit different, and I
know that comes from the comments that these other kids
are making. Of course, so I've just transitioned them into
a new school and they're settling in really worlds.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
And this is what we need to do. When they're
in new schools. You have to start again.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Over again and over again.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And it's a very draining process because you especially when
you're paying your kids into a private school. Right if
it's a public school, you're like, okay, well that is
just the non bait. Once you're paying for that private education,
you need not.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Going to tolerate it. Yeah, yeah, you're less tolerance, you're
less tough. Yeah, not gonna accept what's happening basically. But
at the same time, your you work full time, right,
You've got a job and other responsibilities and priorities. How
do you make time then to go in and do
the work that educators should be doing. Parents of these
(13:21):
children should also be, you know, taking some responsibility as well,
don't you think.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I think in you know, there is brokenness everywhere. There
is you know, parents sometimes when they leave their school,
the kids to go to school, it's like they're just
on leads, you know, there your responsibility. But there's time
that that we want, especially for private schools, right because
(13:50):
not everyone It's not like a feel privileged to be
able to send my kid there. Of course not everyone.
So they should be that expected standard of you know,
the school doing more of course. But I think if
even though that was a very sad and difficult experience
for myself, it grounded me in the work that I
do today because simultaneously I had work related issues at
(14:14):
that time and it and I wanted to find solutions.
Like I was like, where are you know, coming into
a new country, not being able to advocate for yourself
in terms of work is right. I never even knew
that there was like union sort of work.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Art, the racial discrimination.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Art is all those things I was like very oblivious
of and I was just in this pain or the
Human Right Art, the Human Right Commission, which again it's
very it's it's very limited because like I remember when
I had issues at work and I put in the
case with them, they told me that I was going
to take eighteen months. I'm like, I'm going to be
(14:53):
like mentally deranged by that time.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
This case eventually going to get to hear to be heard.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
And that's what deters people from actually used going through
the process or the system of making complaints because they
know either it falls on deaf fears or the process
is so long that it's not worth your time going
through it all. But it also can ostracize you. You know,
you can be an outcast because you have you know,
(15:22):
rough with the feathers or whatever. You have upset people
or you're rocking the boat. And I'm interested, especially with
a lot of our listeners and viewers that might be
in similar situations or circumstances, especially in the workplace, that
are on the receiving end. Of racism and discrimination, but
(15:45):
it becomes normalized.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
When you're on the receiving and like literally you know daily,
it's like you become desensitized to racism and discrimination. Then
you just accept it when it happens. It's not exactly
a shock because you're so used to it. But it
shouldn't be that way that we tolerated and that we
(16:08):
allow this. But at the same time, do you want
to rock the boat and potentially lose your job, job.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
You might have a mortgage, you might have you have
to feed kids. There's so many things that you know,
but the danger is that immediate you know, being built
your resilience to go through that in the immediate, but
the long term impact of that is much more dangerous
than doing nothing.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Is actually bad because if you keep going each day,
each day, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
There is a moment where you're going to snap in
the on the street and people are gonna be like,
why are they doing that on the street.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Because they've borrowed it out, held it in so long,
internalized it and then it comes out and probably in
a very.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, uncontrolled manner and people will be like what And that.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Would be your definition.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You would be defined by that one incident, and nobody
is going to take the time to understand.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Too what led what led to that moment.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
So again that's why doing any not doing anything in
that moment, just trying to like, well, I'm not going
to rock the boards.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Just just do my job.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Just do my job and be a good, you know, soldier,
and just it now.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And get my paycheck. Yes, getting get out.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But at the same time, it's very hard to find
a job, yes, especially on the Sanchai coast.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
But in particular, let's put another lens on.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Let's put race color dynamics.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Then, and there's a lot of research, especially from the
A and U about fifteen years ago. They've done some
research about resumes with English names, Chinese names, Indian names
and said people with you know names like ours mine,
well mine is an Aboriginal name, like it's I don't know,
thirty percent a heart or something to get a job
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or get a call back because of the name on
a resume.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Good story the job that I was actually fighting for
to keep at that time. I applied for it the
first time, didn't hear back, second time, didn't hear back.
When print, then hard copy application and went, I dropped it.
That is when I got because I looked like someone
that bet. And not only that, after jumping all those
(18:14):
hoops of getting that job. In terms of progression, I
was like, there is this most Africans, or maybe most migrants,
we never perform one hundred percent. We give at least
two hundred percent at any given time. When someone is
doing ten, we make sure that we want to do
twenty to be able to make two.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Your work ten times harder. What you're saying is you
work double double the effort in then non, No, yes,
my way people migrant communities.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, and to prove yourself.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
You saf that that was always looked after, you know,
get looked after, get not get You.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Know, I have looked overlooked. Yeah, there wasn't any progres.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
There would be. There were opportunities that came available. I
was the most qualified terms of promotion promotions, the most
qualified in terms of education, physicality, and every capacity.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
But no, I did not fit the framework.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
What did you study? I'm interested?
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I have, so I have like I did in the MIL.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
I did my civil engineering in the military civil engineering.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yes, so you're a civil engineer.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yes, but finished after I completed that I did an
education program that I went and thought in refugee comes
around and that was kind of my deployed deployment around
around Africa.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
So that is my background.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But my experience not only being you know, I had
I have international experience.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I've been in Europe.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You know, I've lived in three continents, so that brings
a whole lot of experience that in terms of customer
service or representing a brand, you wouldn't want any body
than myself because if a business like a hospital or
health services is looking for any body the onet, somebody
that is able to.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Across co barriers or boundaries. Yeah, cross cultural skills.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
It's not it you don't learn.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
It's life experience.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
It's going out there and actually communicating with people, talking
to people, And that's kind of what I was hoping.
You know, when I first met you, I was thinking about,
you know, how do I find more And I told
you this, how do I find more people that are
trying to just live life, race, family? But also on
(20:35):
the other hand that we are also dealing with more
racism and discrimination. Especially after the election, there's been a
lot more racism and people are much more comfortable with
their racism as well. How do we come together like
a support group, you know, like there's alcoholics, anonymous gambling
and whatever, right, narcotics? What have all these anonymous groups
people come together self help groups? What about in terms
(20:59):
of you know, coming together to talk about how do
we stamp out racism? So that initiative shine a light
on racism. I was so excited that there was going
to be other people that I could talk to and
share experiences and ideas and go, oh, I'm going to
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try that next time. Or you've got kids that age
share and mine are a little bit older, so we're
now part of this group right where we're ambassadors.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Why did you put your hand up to be an ambassador?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I think like when I thought about a community that
my son was going to grow up into and that
I've eventually kind of boughted home and I'm living in,
it freaked me out. So I was like, I need
to do something because I can't actually go back home
technically with what's happening back there. This is the only
safe space that my kids have got and if it's unsafe,
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and at that time, I was ready to pack up
and move had it been that there wasn't any stuff
happening back in Southern Camera, I would have just gone
back home because I was at that stage. You know
how we said you wanted to move away from the Sundy.
I was at that space where I was about to move,
but I said, well, I've.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Got to do something.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And I think all those things happened in a blessing,
in a blessful way, because it kept me in the
job that I was comfortable with. I was just like, Wow,
I'm just gonna keep doing it. I don't really need
to think about it. It comes my skill set.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Just it's too easy. I wasn't even challenged.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
The morning was okay, but actually the spring brought me
to my next level because it activated me to become
a social justice advocate. And that from those things when
it was the two things were happening at that time
as well, because I was having conversations with people around
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you know, I went out to community centers and all
those places and try to get solutions. And then that's
how I came across, you know, got invited to you know,
by the Sunshine Coast Community Development Office so that the
mayor was going to approve this campaign. You know, and
then got invited to sit on the Multicultural Advisory Board
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on the Sunshine Coast and that's how I got into
the space. And when I got onto the advisory board,
they had been planning to do this racism something about
racism for like five years, but it never eventuated to
eventuated to anything.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
So I wonder why.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
So I think there was like that me coming in
with my push and continuous, like it was my story,
it was my journey.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I couldn't held back.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
So something needed to be done and my kids had
to grow in this environment. So how do we make
it better for everyone so everyone feels safe? So that
is kind of what pushed me to get into that space.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Amazing and there are so many ambassadors. I'll make sure
that in our show notes that will put resources people
to have a look who's involved, who's behind it? And
then what can you do? What can you as an
individual do within your organization, whether you have a reconciliation
action plan or you don't have a rap you know,
just how are you committed to really making people feel
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that they belong in a diversity and inclusion. You know,
we've got the diversity there, but I don't think we've
done inclusion well yes, but also the sense of belonging everybody.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It's like our.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Birthright, you know, to feel that we belong especially within
the country that we live in. That we feel a
sense of belonging within our community and safety, but a
sense of belonging in the workplace where we spend a
lot of time. So I know, I've got to wrap
up this yarn because we have gone a little bit
over time. But what is can I just quickly ask
(24:57):
you to share with people that are listening if they
want to kind of, you know, get involved more with
community with different programs, like can you recommend it for
people to you know that want to do something like
they might be a migrant living on the Sunshine Coast
or they not, just might be an Australian that is
(25:20):
listening to this conversation, could be anyone. What can they
do to get involved? What's some of the things that
you could recommend? Books, I think, documentaries. Is there anything
in particular that you think this will really help you.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I think first to those that are out there that
are suffering, you know, racism or any form of discriminatory
it's never okay not to speak up. It's always good
to speak up and do something, because you would never
know where if you if you think if you're comfortable
in that abuse, you probably never know what's calling you next,
(26:00):
or if you're in the job that you feel like
you've got to be able to speak and make it straight.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Because the way we the way we.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Set up a place and and.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Make you could you could be able to be resilient
and go through that, but the next person that's going
to come in would probably not have that resilience. So
it's always good to speak up and go through. Of course,
the Sunshine, the Sunshine cost Shine, the Light on Risdom
campaign have got some resources that people can go out
there and check it out. And I would say that
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you know, uh, we do organize like football events because
we think that those are the sort of things that
breaks barrier because it's have just one language and one people.
I call it multicultural football or multicultural multi cote cops
on the Sunshine cause there's a fair few of them
that people can you know, come along and it's just
a space where it's a safe space you can just
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kickboard and interact and break those initial barriers that actually
get people out and start being discriminatory.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Towards one another.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I love the multiculture foot My kids are football soccer,
so I'm going to bring them along to the next event.
So make sure you ring me and let me know
so we can get our kids to get to know
each other as well. It's good to see other black
faces in the community. I just want to say, it
takes a lot for people to call racism out. There
is another campaign called racism It stops with Me. There
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is a National Racism Register now for people to actually
go and put the lodge the complain in the national register.
We'll have these links in our show notes. But if
this yarn has even caused a little bit of like trauma,
if people feel triggered by this conversation. For First Nations peoples,
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one three Yarn is a national hotline dedicated to First
Nations people. There's also Lifeline and there are other many
support services. Even in your organizations, there should be an
internal EAP that you can ring and talk to someone
who's qualified but.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
It's not me.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
And also your GP.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
If you're not trustworthy about your organization, thinking that there's
going to be any sort of things I can backlash,
you can go to your GP. There's like a five
free session that you could see someone for any support
that you need.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I just learned something new.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
There's five free sessions at your GP if you need
to talk about anything that might be worrying you or
causing any distress. But well, look, it's been amazing just
to have half an hour behind the microphone to get
a bit more of an insight into not just the
work that you do, but what drives you to continue
to live your life on the Sunny coast and do
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all the amazing things that you do in the community.
So please, you know, like I said, stay in touch
and next time we'll catch up while we're kicking a
soccer bore football fall.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Look, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
And I hope that more people that are listening to
this that haven't experienced racism before just thinks about things differently,
just to see what it does for people, how it
affects people. But also when you do stand up and
call racism amount, how it can help us, you know,
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in terms of shifting, getting to that next level, achieving greatness,
reaching our full potential.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
That's what I want.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
For my children is to reach their full potential. So
on that note, wel so thank you for jumping on
the podcast. I hope all you Mob enjoyed this Deadly
outa until next time.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
By for now.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
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out to all you Deadly Mob and allies who continue
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Speaker 3 (29:56):
We'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
The Black Magic Woman podcast is produced by Clint Curtis.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
They did the same
Black cast, Unite our voices. Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges
the traditional owners of the land we have recorded this
episode on. We also acknowledge traditional owners of the land
where you, the listener or viewer, are tuning in from.
We would like to pay our respects to our elders
past and present and acknowledged that this always was Aboriginal
(00:25):
land and always will be Aboriginal land.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandinara Bales.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Hey you, mob, thank you for joining me for another
amazing episode of Black Magic On podcast. I am really
looking forward.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
To this yarn. It's been.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
A topic of conversation in terms of meeting people from
different cultures and backgrounds, also experiencing racism and discrimination as
a resident ratepayer on the beautiful Sunny Coast on Cobbycoby Country.
So I've joined forces with a few different people on
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the Sunny Coast for an amazing initiative which is actually
supported by the Sunshine Coast Council, called Shine a Light
on Racism. I really want people to have a look
at the resources and the show notes, especially after this episode,
and see how you can take action and educate yourself
or even educate your family and friends or even colleagues
(01:35):
in the workplace. You don't have to live on the
Sunnay Coast to see the value in these resources. But
it's just one really important initiative that I guess I've
committed to as an ambassador along with my brother here
that's joining me for this yarn today.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
To hear all of the other things that you've been doing.
But also it'd be good for my listeners and also
have viewers on YouTube to hear a little bit about
your story and how did you even come to the
Sunny Coast. But right now we're on the beautiful lands
of the Yagur of people's here in Mungang, and so
I just want to acknowledge where I am right now,
(02:16):
usually on kaby Kobe country, but not today. We have
bumped into each other at the human rights summit here
at the State Library.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
So just who would have.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Thought you and I'd be sitting here now doing this podcast.
So it's definitely meant to be, as I believe, you know,
the old people and the ancestors I always think of
when you cross paths with someone and you're like, I'm
meant to meet this person. So yeah, I can't wait
to hear your story. I don't know your full story
from the few interactions and the few meetings and a
(02:48):
few events that we've been to. So my brother tell
the listeners a bit about yourself, your name, who's your mob,
and a little bit about where you grew up.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Oh, thank you very much. I think this is long
over due discussion.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I want to know the Yagara people and terrible peoples
that were meeting here today and pay respect to their
past and present and emerging ones as well. So yeah,
it's been longer a you. Like I said, my names
are Walters caem Fac. I hail from the British Southern Cameroons.
Most of most people would know Cameroon as a French country,
(03:23):
but I come from the minority English part of Cameroon,
so I know, I understand. And no colonialism, not once,
but twice. We were colonized by the French and the
British and then for that recolonized by our French Cameroon brothers.
So we live in a very old press and so
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my journey started. I did serve in the military, but
I got an incident where we got held hostage and
then I really when I got relocated, I didn't have
the options to go back home. They gave me a
couple of options. I chose to go to Germany because
I love football they call it in Australia soccer. I'm
very passionate about that. So I relocated in Germany where
(04:07):
I met Whilst in Germany, I met a girl that
was born in Rocky and grew up on the Sony
Coast and we started dating a few years later. We
decided when she had a child, after we had gotten married,
traditionally we decided that we were going to relocate to
the Sonic Coast. I think, in my opinion, the most
(04:28):
beautiful part of of Australia, the most beautiful part of Australia.
So I really relocated there. Came into the Sunshine Coast,
minding my own business, was trying to you know, support
my family and be you know, a good citizen. I
started getting exposed in public setting when I had issues
(04:50):
at work. And then from then it simultaneously happened with
when my kids started kindy. When he went to Kindy,
he was like really isolated, racially abused, so much so
that he came back home and didn't want to go
back to school, and I, as a parent that had
paid for private education for the kid, you know, you know,
(05:13):
I got really angry and I thought, I've put all
this amount of money. My kid had to be in
the safe space. So I call up the school, had
a young with the principal and the teacher. In the
first instance, I was ready to fight as a fighter,
but just having that conversation, I just felt the conviction
that there's need for something more than you know, just fighting.
(05:38):
And I kind of like it was young kids, if
it was like adults that I was facing from my
work at that time when I was working at the
Sunshine Cost Health Services and I was having a lot
of racial discrimination in terms of work in carrier approgression
and stuff like that. But this was different scenario with
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my kid because he was young and you.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Know how old I talking about.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
He was, like, so I sent him to school like
he was four. He was four teeny and five, so
like a year earlier.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
So I went into the school after having these conversations
with the principal and we decided that we would I
should come. I have an education background as well, so
I they decided I should come and do something with
the kids. I went into that school. You know, on
the day that I was traveling to the school, I
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collected leaves in different shape, sizes, and color and I
sat in the room myself with the kids. We sat there,
we conduct some sort of a social experiment and at
the end of that experiment, they determined that we all
determined that all of the items that are brought in
were leaves, but became in differentiate sizes and color. So
I create used that analogy to explain to the kids
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that we as people, we come in differentiate sizes and color.
And you could see their little minds going all over
the place. And I granted that with like playing like
bongos and singing and poems in French and in my
native dialect.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
So you made this learning experience fun.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's not angry and not not you know, not blaming
the children for you know, saying, hey, he's dark, or
you're black, or you're different, I can't play with you
because you don't look like them, or you're not invited.
So instead of going into all of that, you had
(07:31):
a different approach.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I had like a totally different approach, and I was
doing that in real time. I never actually thought. I
was just like, how can I make these kids to understand?
Speaker 5 (07:42):
You made it up on the goal.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, so it wasn't like a carefully planned, calculated stuff.
And I collected those lids right from the time that
I was getting into the school and after that incident.
What taught me and what grants everything that I've been
doing in this space of social justice over the is
that those kids, my kid became the most popular kid
(08:06):
in school. Everyone wanted to be their friends when they.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Were crazy with that cool.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yes, exactly so, And that is the phenomen you know,
people are always quick to judge without the first impression
of people that you know, that's where the judge you.
And so that experience created not only with the kids,
their parents. The kids went back home and explained that
scenario to their families. Their families were like, oh, my goodness,
(08:30):
you know, if I'm the one, I would be, you know,
much more frustrated and wanting to fight. But they found
the approach very interesting in such a way that it
created it's packed conversations that when I went to drop
off my kids or met them on like football sports
days and all those sort of things, it just went
whatd and I was like, Wow, you.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Had parents probably interacting with you, conversing and engaging with
you over this experience with their kids, which probably has
created relationship for you.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Or long time like long time relationships that I've got
with this with people that I never actually knew because
they just appreciated the opportunity that I got in This.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Is what I need to do, Like, I need to
find a way to go into the schools, not take
my kids out of the schools. My mom and dad
took us out of eight schools growing up. I went
to fourteen different schools. So this little approach, this little experiment, right,
if we really want to get creative, we can actually
(09:34):
come up with some amazing little like you said, it
was like a social experiment. But then it creates the
there's a shift with then adults, parents communicating and not
feeling uncomfortable around us as people of color exactly because
we live in a very white community, right, there's not
(09:57):
much diversity, So you do feel that people are a
little bit uncomfortable or on edge around you, or they
just don't know how to act normal.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Like the idea about sunshine, because they're like, we are diverse,
but we you know, it's just there is this on
communicative sort of approach, that setting that is on the
course that even though we are diverse, but just be
you and let be me and you know, and you would.
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Most often you get those really strong, aggressive and racial
things like in the pops where people.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Have drunk too much.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
But sometimes it's like this segregation, and I think there
need to be much more opportunities where conversations can happen and.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
It can start with parents in the school.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Schools two children like this is amazing that this has
happened and has basically, you know, been something that you
can do as a positive step, practical step to address
something that needs to be addressed.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
But most people don't know what to do when it.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Comes to children in the classroom, little people.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Sometimes I think, you know, let's go in.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I've done this and with my kids taken the Aboriginal
Languages map and talk to them about this map and
who we are and where we come from as why
they're three and four, start introducing this concept you know
that we are Aboriginal people.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
But we're not, you know, too different to you. So
your children are.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
How old are there?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
It's twelve and nine?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Eight nine.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, yeah, and how are they finding school now? They're
still living on the sand.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
They're just living with transitioned into the you know, my
since that experience, it's been so joyful because my first
song that was not really like said he wasn't going
to go to school anymore, and he loves learning.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
He loves school because.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I had to make that experience better for him. And
currently with my second son, there is a little bit
of that and I haven't actually done which I need
to do similar because he is finding that challenge.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
K Yes, he keeps, you know, questioning.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Why the other kids are a bit different, and I
know that comes from the comments that these other kids
are making. Of course, so I've just transitioned them into
a new school and they're settling in really worlds.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
And this is what we need to do. When they're
in new schools. You have to start again.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Over again and over again.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And it's a very draining process because you especially when
you're paying your kids into a private school. Right if
it's a public school, you're like, okay, well that is
just the non bait. Once you're paying for that private education,
you need not.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Going to tolerate it. Yeah, yeah, you're less tolerance, you're
less tough. Yeah, not gonna accept what's happening basically. But
at the same time, your you work full time, right,
You've got a job and other responsibilities and priorities. How
do you make time then to go in and do
the work that educators should be doing. Parents of these
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children should also be, you know, taking some responsibility as well,
don't you think.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I think in you know, there is brokenness everywhere. There
is you know, parents sometimes when they leave their school,
the kids to go to school, it's like they're just
on leads, you know, there your responsibility. But there's time
that that we want, especially for private schools, right because
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not everyone It's not like a feel privileged to be
able to send my kid there. Of course not everyone.
So they should be that expected standard of you know,
the school doing more of course. But I think if
even though that was a very sad and difficult experience
for myself, it grounded me in the work that I
do today because simultaneously I had work related issues at
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that time and it and I wanted to find solutions.
Like I was like, where are you know, coming into
a new country, not being able to advocate for yourself
in terms of work is right. I never even knew
that there was like union sort of work.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Art, the racial discrimination.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Art is all those things I was like very oblivious
of and I was just in this pain or the
Human Right Art, the Human Right Commission, which again it's
very it's it's very limited because like I remember when
I had issues at work and I put in the
case with them, they told me that I was going
to take eighteen months. I'm like, I'm going to be
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like mentally deranged by that time.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
This case eventually going to get to hear to be heard.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
And that's what deters people from actually used going through
the process or the system of making complaints because they
know either it falls on deaf fears or the process
is so long that it's not worth your time going
through it all. But it also can ostracize you. You know,
you can be an outcast because you have you know,
(15:22):
rough with the feathers or whatever. You have upset people
or you're rocking the boat. And I'm interested, especially with
a lot of our listeners and viewers that might be
in similar situations or circumstances, especially in the workplace, that
are on the receiving end. Of racism and discrimination, but
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it becomes normalized.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
When you're on the receiving and like literally you know daily,
it's like you become desensitized to racism and discrimination. Then
you just accept it when it happens. It's not exactly
a shock because you're so used to it. But it
shouldn't be that way that we tolerated and that we
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allow this. But at the same time, do you want
to rock the boat and potentially lose your job, job.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
You might have a mortgage, you might have you have
to feed kids. There's so many things that you know,
but the danger is that immediate you know, being built
your resilience to go through that in the immediate, but
the long term impact of that is much more dangerous
than doing nothing.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Is actually bad because if you keep going each day,
each day, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
There is a moment where you're going to snap in
the on the street and people are gonna be like,
why are they doing that on the street.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Because they've borrowed it out, held it in so long,
internalized it and then it comes out and probably in
a very.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, uncontrolled manner and people will be like what And that.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Would be your definition.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You would be defined by that one incident, and nobody
is going to take the time to understand.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Too what led what led to that moment.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
So again that's why doing any not doing anything in
that moment, just trying to like, well, I'm not going
to rock the boards.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Just just do my job.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Just do my job and be a good, you know, soldier,
and just it now.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And get my paycheck. Yes, getting get out.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But at the same time, it's very hard to find
a job, yes, especially on the Sanchai coast.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
But in particular, let's put another lens on.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Let's put race color dynamics.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Then, and there's a lot of research, especially from the
A and U about fifteen years ago. They've done some
research about resumes with English names, Chinese names, Indian names
and said people with you know names like ours mine,
well mine is an Aboriginal name, like it's I don't know,
thirty percent a heart or something to get a job
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or get a call back because of the name on
a resume.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Good story the job that I was actually fighting for
to keep at that time. I applied for it the
first time, didn't hear back, second time, didn't hear back.
When print, then hard copy application and went, I dropped it.
That is when I got because I looked like someone
that bet. And not only that, after jumping all those
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hoops of getting that job. In terms of progression, I
was like, there is this most Africans, or maybe most migrants,
we never perform one hundred percent. We give at least
two hundred percent at any given time. When someone is
doing ten, we make sure that we want to do
twenty to be able to make two.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Your work ten times harder. What you're saying is you
work double double the effort in then non, No, yes,
my way people migrant communities.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, and to prove yourself.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
You saf that that was always looked after, you know,
get looked after, get not get You.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Know, I have looked overlooked. Yeah, there wasn't any progres.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
There would be. There were opportunities that came available. I
was the most qualified terms of promotion promotions, the most
qualified in terms of education, physicality, and every capacity.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
But no, I did not fit the framework.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
What did you study? I'm interested?
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I have, so I have like I did in the MIL.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
I did my civil engineering in the military civil engineering.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yes, so you're a civil engineer.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yes, but finished after I completed that I did an
education program that I went and thought in refugee comes
around and that was kind of my deployed deployment around
around Africa.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
So that is my background.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But my experience not only being you know, I had
I have international experience.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I've been in Europe.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You know, I've lived in three continents, so that brings
a whole lot of experience that in terms of customer
service or representing a brand, you wouldn't want any body
than myself because if a business like a hospital or
health services is looking for any body the onet, somebody
that is able to.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Across co barriers or boundaries. Yeah, cross cultural skills.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
It's not it you don't learn.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
It's life experience.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
It's going out there and actually communicating with people, talking
to people, And that's kind of what I was hoping.
You know, when I first met you, I was thinking about,
you know, how do I find more And I told
you this, how do I find more people that are
trying to just live life, race, family? But also on
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the other hand that we are also dealing with more
racism and discrimination. Especially after the election, there's been a
lot more racism and people are much more comfortable with
their racism as well. How do we come together like
a support group, you know, like there's alcoholics, anonymous gambling
and whatever, right, narcotics? What have all these anonymous groups
people come together self help groups? What about in terms
(20:59):
of you know, coming together to talk about how do
we stamp out racism? So that initiative shine a light
on racism. I was so excited that there was going
to be other people that I could talk to and
share experiences and ideas and go, oh, I'm going to
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try that next time. Or you've got kids that age
share and mine are a little bit older, so we're
now part of this group right where we're ambassadors.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Why did you put your hand up to be an ambassador?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I think like when I thought about a community that
my son was going to grow up into and that
I've eventually kind of boughted home and I'm living in,
it freaked me out. So I was like, I need
to do something because I can't actually go back home
technically with what's happening back there. This is the only
safe space that my kids have got and if it's unsafe,
(21:55):
and at that time, I was ready to pack up
and move had it been that there wasn't any stuff
happening back in Southern Camera, I would have just gone
back home because I was at that stage. You know
how we said you wanted to move away from the Sundy.
I was at that space where I was about to move,
but I said, well, I've.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Got to do something.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And I think all those things happened in a blessing,
in a blessful way, because it kept me in the
job that I was comfortable with. I was just like, Wow,
I'm just gonna keep doing it. I don't really need
to think about it. It comes my skill set.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Just it's too easy. I wasn't even challenged.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
The morning was okay, but actually the spring brought me
to my next level because it activated me to become
a social justice advocate. And that from those things when
it was the two things were happening at that time
as well, because I was having conversations with people around
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you know, I went out to community centers and all
those places and try to get solutions. And then that's
how I came across, you know, got invited to you know,
by the Sunshine Coast Community Development Office so that the
mayor was going to approve this campaign. You know, and
then got invited to sit on the Multicultural Advisory Board
(23:17):
on the Sunshine Coast and that's how I got into
the space. And when I got onto the advisory board,
they had been planning to do this racism something about
racism for like five years, but it never eventuated to
eventuated to anything.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
So I wonder why.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
So I think there was like that me coming in
with my push and continuous, like it was my story,
it was my journey.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I couldn't held back.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
So something needed to be done and my kids had
to grow in this environment. So how do we make
it better for everyone so everyone feels safe? So that
is kind of what pushed me to get into that space.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Amazing and there are so many ambassadors. I'll make sure
that in our show notes that will put resources people
to have a look who's involved, who's behind it? And
then what can you do? What can you as an
individual do within your organization, whether you have a reconciliation
action plan or you don't have a rap you know,
just how are you committed to really making people feel
(24:21):
that they belong in a diversity and inclusion. You know,
we've got the diversity there, but I don't think we've
done inclusion well yes, but also the sense of belonging everybody.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It's like our.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Birthright, you know, to feel that we belong especially within
the country that we live in. That we feel a
sense of belonging within our community and safety, but a
sense of belonging in the workplace where we spend a
lot of time. So I know, I've got to wrap
up this yarn because we have gone a little bit
over time. But what is can I just quickly ask
(24:57):
you to share with people that are listening if they
want to kind of, you know, get involved more with
community with different programs, like can you recommend it for
people to you know that want to do something like
they might be a migrant living on the Sunshine Coast
or they not, just might be an Australian that is
(25:20):
listening to this conversation, could be anyone. What can they
do to get involved? What's some of the things that
you could recommend? Books, I think, documentaries. Is there anything
in particular that you think this will really help you.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I think first to those that are out there that
are suffering, you know, racism or any form of discriminatory
it's never okay not to speak up. It's always good
to speak up and do something, because you would never
know where if you if you think if you're comfortable
in that abuse, you probably never know what's calling you next,
(26:00):
or if you're in the job that you feel like
you've got to be able to speak and make it straight.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Because the way we the way we.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Set up a place and and.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Make you could you could be able to be resilient
and go through that, but the next person that's going
to come in would probably not have that resilience. So
it's always good to speak up and go through. Of course,
the Sunshine, the Sunshine cost Shine, the Light on Risdom
campaign have got some resources that people can go out
there and check it out. And I would say that
(26:31):
you know, uh, we do organize like football events because
we think that those are the sort of things that
breaks barrier because it's have just one language and one people.
I call it multicultural football or multicultural multi cote cops
on the Sunshine cause there's a fair few of them
that people can you know, come along and it's just
a space where it's a safe space you can just
(26:53):
kickboard and interact and break those initial barriers that actually
get people out and start being discriminatory.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Towards one another.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I love the multiculture foot My kids are football soccer,
so I'm going to bring them along to the next event.
So make sure you ring me and let me know
so we can get our kids to get to know
each other as well. It's good to see other black
faces in the community. I just want to say, it
takes a lot for people to call racism out. There
is another campaign called racism It stops with Me. There
(27:23):
is a National Racism Register now for people to actually
go and put the lodge the complain in the national register.
We'll have these links in our show notes. But if
this yarn has even caused a little bit of like trauma,
if people feel triggered by this conversation. For First Nations peoples,
(27:43):
one three Yarn is a national hotline dedicated to First
Nations people. There's also Lifeline and there are other many
support services. Even in your organizations, there should be an
internal EAP that you can ring and talk to someone
who's qualified but.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
It's not me.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
And also your GP.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
If you're not trustworthy about your organization, thinking that there's
going to be any sort of things I can backlash,
you can go to your GP. There's like a five
free session that you could see someone for any support
that you need.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I just learned something new.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
There's five free sessions at your GP if you need
to talk about anything that might be worrying you or
causing any distress. But well, look, it's been amazing just
to have half an hour behind the microphone to get
a bit more of an insight into not just the
work that you do, but what drives you to continue
to live your life on the Sunny coast and do
(28:36):
all the amazing things that you do in the community.
So please, you know, like I said, stay in touch
and next time we'll catch up while we're kicking a
soccer bore football fall.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Look, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
And I hope that more people that are listening to
this that haven't experienced racism before just thinks about things differently,
just to see what it does for people, how it
affects people. But also when you do stand up and
call racism amount, how it can help us, you know,
(29:12):
in terms of shifting, getting to that next level, achieving greatness,
reaching our full potential.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
That's what I want.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
For my children is to reach their full potential. So
on that note, wel so thank you for jumping on
the podcast. I hope all you Mob enjoyed this Deadly
outa until next time.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
By for now.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
If you'd like any more on today's guest, please visit
our show notes in the episode description. A big shout
out to all you Deadly Mob and allies who continue
to listen, watch, and support our podcast. Your feedback means
the world. You can rate and review the podcast on
Apple and Spotify, or even head to our socials and
(29:54):
YouTube channel and drop us a line.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
We'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
The Black Magic Woman podcast is produced by Clint Curtis.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
They did the same
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