April 11, 2024 • 39 mins
Is your workplace making achieving your health goals impossible?
In this episode, Aimee and guest Jamie Walker discuss how to begin setting healthy work boundaries, address the common issue of feeling stretched thin in the workplace and the unrealistic demands placed on employees. Jamie provides insights on how individuals can reclaim their autonomy and prioritize self-care without jeopardizing their jobs. She emphasizes the significance of discernment and the need to create space for oneself amidst workplace pressure. The conversation delves into the power of pushing back against toxic workplace cultures and the potential ripple effect it can have. Jamie encourages listeners to tap into their emotions, navigate their feelings, and make choices that align with their values. The episode concludes with a reminder to be gracious with oneself throughout the process of setting boundaries and seeking a healthier work-life balance.
About the Guest:
Jamie Walker is a certified life and mindset coach associated with the International Coach Federation (ICF). She helps her clients ease their minds and live from their hearts, guiding them to reconnect with their authentic selves and pursue their dreams with confidence. Jamie considers herself a transformational warrior and is deeply passionate about personal growth and self-discovery.
Key Takeaways:
- Taking time for oneself, even if it's just a minute, can create space for self-care and help manage stress in the workplace.
- Pushing back against unrealistic work demands is not rude or demeaning; it is necessary for personal well-being and growth.
- By showing up authentically and setting boundaries, individuals can become leaders in their workplace and inspire positive change.
- Recognizing the fragility and fear-driven nature of toxic workplace cultures can empower individuals to seek healthier environments.
- Being gracious with oneself is essential throughout the process of setting boundaries, as it may involve making mistakes and facing rejection.
Notable Quotes:
- "Pushing back is not rude. It's not demeaning. It's not bad in any way, unless you decide to use certain language. But pushing back is not rude." - Jamie Walker
- "Anything that is a rejection is actually a divine redirection. It is giving you that space to find a better fit for you." - Jamie Walker
Resources:
Use code BLASPHEMOUSNUTRITION to receive Jamie's workbook for free! https://walkercoaching.ca/store/p/working-with-your-emotions-workbook
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Aimee (00:00):
I have had.
The most wonderful pleasure.
Of speaking with Jamie Walker.
On today's episode aboutcreating healthy work
boundaries.
I know so many of you in theworkplace feel like.
You're stretched so thin.
That you cannot meet.
(00:20):
Your work demands and also takecare of yourself.
And.
In conversations that I've hadwith clients, many of the work
demands that are being asked ofthem are.
Really beyond what isreasonable.
So I invited Jamie to come on toblossom as nutrition.
To talk about how.
(00:42):
We can begin to take back ourlife and.
Our autonomy.
In the workplace in a way that.
You know, isn't going tonecessarily get us kicked out.
Because.
Having a job's important, right?
And as an ICF associated,certified life and mind rebel
(01:04):
coach Jamie.
Helps her clients ease theirminds so that they can live from
their hearts.
You will.
Gather from listening to herthat she is wildly in love with
life and not one to shy fromdoing the inner work herself.
She considers herself atransformation of warrior and
(01:26):
helps her clients reconnect withtheir authentic selves and see
their dreams in a whole newlight.
And gain the confidence to goafter them.
Our conversation is like Janey.
Very deep, luscious, juicy.
There's a lot of wonderfulnuggets of wisdom.
And.
(01:47):
Food for thought.
In today's episode.
I am.
Certain that whether you workfor yourself, Or you work in the
corporate culture.
Or you work with people in thecorporate culture.
There are gems for you to takeaway from our conversation
today.
So sit back.
(02:08):
Buckle up.
And let's move on into it.
Hey Rebels, welcome toBlasphemous Nutrition.
Consider this podcast yourpantry full of clarity,
perspective, and the nuanceneeded to counter the
superficial health advice sofreely given on the internet.
I'm Amy, the unapologeticallycandid host of Blasphemous
Nutrition and a double degreednutritionist with 20 years
(02:32):
experience.
I'm here to share a more nuancedtake.
On living and eating well tosustain and recover your health.
If you've found most healthadvice to be so generic as to be
meaningless, We're so extremethat it's unrealistic, and you
don't mind the occasional Fbomb.
You've come to the right place.
From dissecting the latestnutrition trends to breaking
(02:54):
down published research andsharing my own clinical
experiences, I'm on a mission tofoster clarity amidst all the
confusion and empower you tohave the health you need to live
a life you love.
Now let's get started.
Jamie Walker, welcome toBlasphemous Nutrition.
(03:16):
I'm so excited to have you here.
Jamie (03:19):
Oh, Aimee, I'm so glad to be here and I'm so excited for
this conversation.
Aimee (03:23):
So I was really thrilled to find you and to bring you in
because of the, thepervasiveness of, I wouldn't
even say blurred, but absentwork life boundaries.
That I've seen with my clients,particularly since the pandemic
kicked off and people wereworking from home and all of our
(03:45):
traditional typical breaks thatwere built in, like getting in
the car and leaving or going tothe bathroom between meetings
like these kind of evaporated.
And for a lot of my clients,there's been this increasing
unwritten expectation that theyare available 24 seven, that
(04:08):
they really dedicate their livesto the, the, um, key performance
indicators and return oninvestments that, that are set
by their team, that are set bytheir management.
and it's, it's.
Recurringly brought up as amajor obstacle that gets in the
way of them being able toconsistently exercise, prepare
(04:32):
meals for themselves, even takethe time to eat a meal during
the workday.
So I was hoping that you couldreally help us find ways to
reclaim the foundation of ourlives and health from our
(04:53):
employers.
so that for my clients and forlisteners so that they can kind
of push back against that, thatcultural norm to reclaim the
time and energy for themselvesto keep their health intact.
Because the consequences havebeen literally loss of health.
(05:18):
And, and in a culture whereeveryone around you is working
and working and the expectationis you are there, the
expectation is if your bosssends an email, you respond to
it.
Even if it's a weekend, even ifit's in the evening, even if
you're out having a anniversarydinner with your spouse, right?
Like you show up.
(05:40):
How can people push back againstthat in a way that doesn't feel
like they're gonna lose theirjob, especially in sectors where
things are uncertain?
Jamie (05:50):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, uh, for those of the whojust listening, I, and if
there's no video, I, my smileright there was a very strange
smile because it is like, asyou're discussing, as we're
discussing this, I'm getting allthose feelings.
It's like, oof, it is rough.
And.
(06:10):
And I think, I know that thereis a way, and it's not going to
look like everybody else's way.
And one thing that we need tobring into this conversation is
discernment.
is because what I may say mightnot feel right for, for you,
(06:34):
might not feel right for ourlistener, might not.
So that, that's kind of my,that's always my first thing
when we're talking aboutboundaries or lack of
boundaries, because my boundaryis going to look different than
your boundary and, and viceversa.
Aimee (06:47):
Right.
Jamie (06:49):
Um, but you're right.
So if they're feeling like thisPressure.
And, and the truth is that welive in the real friggin world.
We gotta pay the bills.
We gotta pay the bills.
This is, whether you believe in,um, we're a post, uh,
capitalism, or we're in acapitalistic world, like, we,
we, we're there.
This is this is the truth.
Aimee (07:11):
Yeah.
Jamie (07:13):
And so I think the first thing is about noticing what is
happening to you.
Because when we're we're feelingwe're feeling that when we get
that email like you said on a,at a dinner, https: otter.
ai at night and we're feelingthe urge, that's a response.
(07:37):
We're just feeling that urge torespond.
And then we're looking at ourworld and we're just responding
to everything.
We're not actually internalizingany of it.
Aimee (07:43):
Hmm.
Yeah.
Jamie (07:44):
Your body is.
Let, let me be clear about that.
Your body's internalizing thatstress.
Your mind's on response mode.
So I think the first step in allof this is finding space in your
day.
And I know how hard that cansound.
(08:08):
Even a minute.
To just have a deep breath isthe start of finding that space
for yourself.
Aimee (08:20):
Do is spend a little extra time in the bathroom than
I need to.
Jamie (08:24):
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Because
Aimee (08:26):
people are not going to barge in and bother you there
still, thankfully, I hope.
Right.
Jamie (08:31):
Right.
What is that meme?
That, that the floating aroundthe internet.
Uh, boss makes a dollar.
I make a dive.
So I shit on company time.
I remember being, when I was inthe corporate world, I was like,
yeah, that was, that was real.
Oh my God.
Why not?
Why not?
(08:51):
Much that's, that's just it.
Aimee (08:54):
Yeah.
Jamie (08:54):
and I love that idea of like, cause you're, you're The
bathroom.
You're right.
It's a private space.
You're sitting there.
Unless you're working
Aimee (09:01):
at home and you have children at home and then there
are no private spaces, but Yeah.
Yeah.
For many people, they can stillclaim the bathroom as a private
space to take an extra minute.
Yeah.
Jamie (09:14):
And that's what I mean.
Just start there.
Just start noticing what ishappening.
Because your body's going totell you what our goal is as
coaches is to get our clients tounderstand what their body is
telling them before the stresstakes over and ends up in the
hospital.
Aimee (09:30):
Yeah.
Jamie (09:32):
Because that is the alternative if you don't start
taking time, not to scareanybody.
Aimee (09:41):
But it is.
It is.
I mean, I've not directly, buttertiary like witnessed that.
Jamie (09:54):
And then, of course, once you start taking that space and
that time, it gets easier.
And that's all we're talkingabout.
We're talking about, you know,there's no point in being like,
Oh my God, I need to meditatefor 20 minutes every morning.
If you've never done it, yourmuscle, your first of all, your
brain's going to go over and golike, Oh shit, I don't know how
(10:15):
to do this.
Yeah.
Aimee (10:17):
Yeah.
Jamie (10:18):
And it's going to actually automatically try and
like sabotage you because it'snot used to it.
So we can't be doing that.
So when we take like smallsteps, we'll actually get you
much further.
Aimee (10:33):
And for those who have taken a moment, or maybe they
have gotten sick and momentshave been given to them to
reflect.
And they realize.
This is not sustainable.
I'm, I'm feeling burned out orI'm approaching burnout or, oh
gosh, I actually achievedburnout last year and kept
(10:55):
going, but I feel stuck.
I feel trapped because If I amgoing to keep my job on this
team where people are being laidoff, if I am going to have a
chance to you know, to, topotentially increase, you know,
my, my position, my pay, get abonus, what have you, I have to
(11:19):
show up.
How can they do that withoutsacrificing their health in the
process?
I feel that's where everybodyfeels like they're at is between
that rock and a hard place.
Yeah.
How can they change theirexperience within a company
culture that presents itself inthis way as being normal,
(11:42):
appropriate, and how things aregoing to be?
Jamie (11:47):
The thing that comes to mind right now is the, the idea
of if you're not showing up, youknow, let's say 75 to a hundred
percent you in your job, you'renot showing up fully who you are
(12:08):
as a worker.
So therefore, you're actually,potentially sacrificing any
advancement because you're goingthere.
So we talk, we hear about,leaders in the space talking,
especially in the tech world andthe corporate world.
We hear do the things that movethe needle.
If you're stuck in that burnoutand response mode, you're just
(12:32):
doing whatever's coming yourway.
You're not paying attention towhat's actually moving the
needle for the company.
So therefore you're not going tobe in a position where they're
going to say, let's promote thisperson.
There's also the other risk ofif you're somebody that is
responding and supportingeverybody else around you, let's
(12:54):
keep that person in that space.
They're doing a wonderful.
wonderful job of supporting me,why would I want to lose that
person?
And that's not to say that notto be bad at your job, that's
not it at all.
But that is the reason why weneed to take time to ourselves
so that we can calm our minds,see what the bigger picture is,
(13:17):
understand what's happening andcheck in with ourselves.
And that's going to also help usdecide what tasks really do need
to be done.
And sometimes in the corporateworld, we do need to push back.
You know, when we look at we'reall humans.
Aimee (13:36):
Yeah.
Jamie (13:37):
We all, you know, we all sit to shit.
So regardless of who your bossis, they're human.
They're going to make mistakesand and things of that nature.
Aimee (13:47):
How do we begin to push back?
Jamie (13:52):
I think it starts with, um, some really big confidence
in yourself, giving yourselfthat support.
And I always like to do thisthing with my clients where we
go, okay, you're going to dosomething really scary,
pushback, especially if you'resomebody that like identifies as
a people pleaser, responding toeverything that comes through.
(14:13):
Like this is, this is scarystuff and it pushes at the core.
It does.
It truly does.
And so, okay, what support can Igive myself and the confidence
that I need to start to pushback?
Pushing back is not rude.
(14:34):
That's the other thing.
We need, we need people tounderstand that pushing back is
not rude.
It's not demeaning.
It's not bad in any way, unlessyou decide to, to, to use
certain language, that's adifferent story, but I think
(14:55):
understanding what your role is,understanding what your capacity
is currently.
are all things that are going tobe able to help support you to
push back.
I love the idea of, in thecorporate world, taking a look
at, okay, so you have a new taskthat has added to your plate,
(15:19):
and you realize you're past,you're over capacity.
And let's be real, like, we needto go back, we need to focus on
that, what is that, notnecessarily nine to five, but,
like, couple hours, what areyour hours in your day?
whether it's like, could be even12 to eight for, for, you know,
that, that doesn't matter.
But like, what is the amountthat you're able to give that
(15:42):
you are contractually obligatedto give your company?
Aimee (15:46):
People work beyond what is on contract and no one is
forcing you, right.
But the culture of theworkplace.
holds this unwrittenexpectation.
Jamie (16:03):
And culture that holds that unwritten expectation, you
are not the only one who feelsthat pressure.
You are not the only one in thatcompany who is upset by this,
and you are not alone.
And I think knowing, hearingthat is important.
(16:24):
Doesn't mean run to HR, doesn'tmean to gossip, doesn't mean,
but just knowing that if that'sthe culture that is being set.
But that is a suppressiveculture that the majority of
humans will not be able to growin.
And you need to make a decisionthen, are you, are you able to,
(16:46):
okay, we have to work, we haveto work.
Do you have to earn money?
Do I put this job then on alower priority in my life so
that I still make the money?
I put it in the parameters of mynine to five.
And then there's other things inmy life that are of a higher
priority to me.
There, there are people outthere that can do that.
(17:09):
You know, you were not meant tocome to this earth to work.
Aimee (17:15):
And the other thing I have more Puritans that would
disagree with you.
Jamie (17:19):
I get it.
I completely understand thatthere, there's many that would
disagree with that.
And some people might be like,well, making artists work, you
know.
But we did come here to create.
We didn't necessarily come hereto work.
Aimee (17:41):
I love that distinction.
Jamie (17:44):
The other thing that I always love to say is, um, I
mean this, and this goes for alarge chunk of the population.
There is a small chunk of thepopulation that, you know, when
we look at healthcare andeverything like that.
But chances are, you're notsaving babies.
You not answering that email, orputting your family first, or
(18:08):
doing what is best for you inthat moment that is outside that
9 to 5 obligation is, is notgoing to put anybody out.
You're not going to put anyone,you know, there's not going to
be something that completelycrumbles and falls apart because
you did that.
(18:28):
And oftentimes when we're inresponse mode, that's what we
think.
Aimee (18:31):
Yes.
Yes.
And when everyone is in responsemode, that's what everyone
thinks.
Jamie (18:37):
Yeah.
Aimee (18:38):
It's so hard to step out of that because everyone else is
in it as well.
Jamie (18:46):
But could you imagine that if you decide to step out
of that, the leader you would bein your company guaranteed, like
I said, you're not the only onethat's feeling this and you have
the chance to become an example.
Yes,
Aimee (19:06):
I have been working with someone and we've been having
these conversations over thelast year and she is well
established in her career, is ina very high performance, high
demand sector and And she wasbutting up against, you know,
(19:29):
her need to take care of herhealth versus the company
culture, which was definitelycreating burnout and stress that
was really manifesting itself inher body and how it was able to
perform in sport and otherthings.
And she started settingboundaries.
And, and she started putting herhealth first and putting what
(19:54):
she needed to do for herselffirst and sending out emails
saying, you know, I will notrespond to email after this
time.
I will get back to it, at theearliest convenience at this
time.
And I remember her saying thatwhat she was doing was having a
(20:14):
positive influence on her boss.
Who is notorious for overworkingburning out, like just, you
know, super nice guy, but justtotally sacrificing himself.
Right.
And I also remember havingconversations with her about
that very thing of you are in aposition as a woman in this
(20:35):
field, which is male dominated,to show up in this way and teach
those who are coming after you,who are being mentored by you,
that it can be different.
And, and I, I feel, it reallydoes.
Take one brave person to beginto change the culture of a team
(21:04):
or, or a department, which thencan create a ripple effect that
changes the culture of at leasta small company, if not a huge
multinational conglomerate.
Jamie (21:20):
And when you look at that ripple effect, and I love that
you're Your client is steppinginto that because you're right.
Not only is she affecting, um,you know, her, her co workers
and clearly her boss, she'saffecting those people's
families too in a positivelight.
Yes.
We're, you know, as humans, weWe don't always see the full
(21:46):
effects of that ripple, but ittouches more than just the
people directly around you whenyou decide to support yourself
and create those boundaries.
Aimee (22:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And she's, you know, she's in aposition where she's got the
seniority to, to do that withoutfeeling, feeling like her career
was on the line.
I, you know, I, and I wonder howsomeone who is not yet
established, who is kind of, uh,fighting their way up the
(22:27):
corporate ladder, as it were,how they might be able to do
that differently.
But I have also heard that GenZ, is refusing to even take it
on that there.
And I, I don't work with manypeople in that demographic.
So that's hearsay.
Jamie (22:44):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Aimee (22:45):
You know, as far as I know, I haven't heard it
straight from the horse's mouthas it were.
But, but it is my understandingthat, you know, maybe, maybe
that will, that will end withthat generation and that would
be fantastic.
Jamie (23:00):
Yeah.
I, I do have the pleasure ofworking with some Gen Z's and
Aimee (23:06):
tell me,
Jamie (23:07):
Oh my gosh, they are an incredible, an incredible group.
they're incredibly hard workingfor things they believe in.
Aimee (23:17):
Yeah.
That's awesome.
Jamie (23:19):
Yeah.
I work with some Gen Zentrepreneurs who are like,, who
are ready to, Make an incrediblepositive change and work for it
in the workforce.
Um, and I also work with Gen Z'swho some of Gen Z's who are in
the corporate world.
And they're, they're very goodat their job.
They'll go and they'll do it.
They'll find the most efficient,best, smartest way to do their
(23:39):
job because they grew up in, inthat technology era.
And.
That's it.
That's you just have to let themdo that.
They believe in equality.
They believe in a living wage,and they believe in having the
conditions that are not going tobe suppressing them at work.
(23:59):
So I think we're going to see,continue to see a big shift in,
in the workplace culture.
And anytime you know millennialscame through and I remember when
I entered the workforce to Iwas.
Like constantly battling withthat.
Okay, I need to answereverything to work up the out
ladder.
Plus I need to take care ofmyself.
(24:20):
I remember that, but I doremember still pushing back a
little bit.
Aimee (24:24):
Are you a millennial?
Jamie (24:26):
I am a millennial.
Aimee (24:27):
Okay.
I'm Gen
Jamie (24:30):
X.
Um, yes.
So yeah, so as you know, and I,I, I love.
My Gen Xers that started this,you know, they started this
trend of like, you know, F thesystem and in these brilliant,
beautiful ways and allowed me tostep in and continue pushing the
(24:51):
boundaries.
And I, the millennials made wayfor our Gen Zs to continue doing
it.
It is very exciting and changeis messy.
Like we're going through thisand change is very messy and
it's hard.
Aimee (25:07):
And we're
Jamie (25:07):
like, we're just at the beginning of it.
That's the other thing I waslike, we're talking about three
generations here.
That's not very long in the spanof like, when we look at
history.
Aimee (25:19):
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
In my mind, I'm seeing thisconvergence of.
Of this shift from the workersdemanding to have a life, um,
you know, butting up againstthese big behemoth systems that
are so huge, but so fragile.
(25:42):
And I think we've really in thepast four years have become
aware of how fragile the systemis and how one tiny little virus
can just, you know, cause allthe cracks to show up.
And the impact that that has.
And so in my mind I'm seeingthis force of this, this
(26:04):
generation that won't ever takeon the mantle to then have to
dismantle it right and they'regonna butt up against these
systems that depend uponpeople's sacrifice of their
lives, and it's just gonna, fallapart is what it feels like.
But that's how change feels,right?
(26:25):
Like things are falling apart.
Jamie (26:27):
I think you've nailed it.
These big companies or a companyor companies, some companies
depend on the sacrifice of theirworkers to exist.
Aimee (26:37):
They do.
Absolutely.
The only way that you can get.
Quarter over quarter growth isthrough massive sacrifice and it
is not happening., I mean, it'snot happening for the bulk of
the shareholders, right?
It's happening at the providerlevel.
(26:57):
It's happening at the teamlevel.
It's happening, you know, at theprogrammer level, it's, it's
happening with the folks who areboots on the ground and, and the
mass exodus that has beenhappening.
In, in medical, I mean, inmedical people are like, F it.
I'm leaving, and people aregetting laid off, but, but it's
(27:19):
just, there's so muchdisruption.
And, and so I feel encouragedbecause it's like, okay, those
who are coming after us are,are, if anything, not going to
repeat this pattern, right?
They're already pushing upagainst it at the beginning of
(27:42):
their career.
I kind of interpret that to meanthat as someone who would be
well established in my career,that also gives me a little bit
more leeway to start saying no,even if it means I'm not
answering emails after 6pmMonday through Friday.
(28:05):
That one thing, that one change.
And then maybe, you know, us GenXers.
you know, the older Millennials,maybe we don't have to finish
our career completely physicallydestroyed.
Jamie (28:26):
Yeah, that would be, and I love the fact that if you
painting that picture, because Ido believe that that is where we
can head.
Oh, absolutely.
We can go.
Aimee (28:36):
Yeah.
Jamie (28:36):
And, and then we have our, our beautiful gen alphas
afterwards that you guys haveever dealt with the gen alpha.
They're like little honeybadgers.
Um, that's a whole other story,uh, who are definitely not going
to take the, the
Aimee (28:53):
BS.
Jamie (28:56):
And I wanted, you said something about these companies
that are so fragile and I wantedto take that back because
something popped when you weresaying that.
What do we tell kids, when theyget bullied?
Well, one, now we're tellingthem like, that's not okay,
don't, you don't need to takethat.
Two, we also, as we get older,we start to learn how fragile
that bully is.
Aimee (29:15):
Right,
Jamie (29:18):
yeah.
I just want to leave that forlisteners, just as a seed
planted.
If you're feeling bullied atwork, either by, by somebody or
by the workplace culture,bullying is always rooted.
(29:39):
Infragility.
Mm
Aimee (29:40):
hmm.
Yeah.
And it definitely is, it isdefinitely driven by fear.
The workplace culture, it'sdriven by fear.
Because there's always someoneup higher who's going to get
their undies wadded in a bunchif things don't look a certain
way.
(30:01):
And that fear, like, that's,that's the trickle down effect.
Yeah.
Jamie (30:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That totally, the fear is thetrickle down effect, it's not,
it's not economics.
Aimee (30:15):
Not economics, no.
It's the fear that tricklesdown, folks.
Yeah.
Jamie (30:25):
But if you are someone that is noticing that and
getting that pushback, those areyour emotions telling you that.
Something's not right here andyour emotions are going to be
telling you that because youhave the power to do something
different.
Aimee (30:40):
Yes.
Jamie (30:42):
Yeah.
And that might be the smallestlittle voice inside you at
first, but you wouldn't befeeling uncomfortable if you did
not have the power to changebecause your body would tell you
we're going to keep going.
We're in survivor mode.
Like we're fine.
But if you actually take thatminute on the toilet.
(31:02):
And tap into your body and youremotions, they're going to
actually be able to help younavigate these situations.
Aimee (31:14):
Do you have any other wise words of wisdom or
practical tips for people to, tobegin to act subversively as an
act of self preservation?
Jamie (31:29):
I think when you show up in your, and even just a smidgen
of your authenticity in, in theworkplace, like you said, there
is a ripple effect that iscreated and you can change.
You are changing people withoutyou even noticing.
You are changing without evennoticing the other thing.
(31:55):
And I think the other big thingis to be gracious with yourself.
Aimee (32:04):
What does that look like?
Jamie (32:06):
That looks like throughout this process.
You're going to mess up.
Things are going, you might notget the response that you
actually needed.
You very well might be fired orlaid off when you start this
process, but anything that is arejection is actually a divine
(32:32):
redirection.
It is giving you that space tofind a better fit for you.
And yes, we live in the realworld.
The stresses of money are thereal problem.
But being in an environment thatis incredibly toxic, that,
(32:56):
because at that point, if youare changing and you are trying
to encourage healthy boundaries,and you then be laid off, that
is an environment that ischoosing to stay toxic.
Aimee (33:10):
Oh, that's an interesting point.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jamie (33:14):
Often, or oftentimes in the workplace culture, it's
often, um, It's very, it can beignorant.
People don't realize it untilthey see something different.
But if you're showing up andyou're doing that differently,
yeah, it's choosing to staytoxic.
It's choosing to exploit itsworkers.
Do you really want to staythere?
Aimee (33:37):
Yeah, it reminds me of a story.
My husband told me, he's in thetech sector and he relayed to me
a story about someone who hadleft a job.
I don't remember why andaccepted a position for less pay
because it was a better workenvironment.
(34:00):
And, and this was someone forwhom leaving a job was not, you
know, he's at the tail end ofhis career.
He's in his fifties in tech.
A guy in his fifties in tech isnot guaranteed to get another
job, risky move.
And, he was able to find adifferent job.
(34:23):
The pay was not as high.
However.
He feels happier.
He feels more in alignment withwhere he wants to be with his
work because of that change.
Jamie (34:36):
And I bet you he's doing better work because of it.
Aimee (34:39):
Oh yeah.
I'm sure.
I'm sure.
Yeah.
Jamie (34:41):
His output has increased.
Yeah.
Aimee (34:44):
Exactly.
And if that's a value, you know,if, if you, if you do value the
work that you do and theperformance that you do offer,
that becomes an importantconsideration.
I mean, some people don't care,right?
They just clock in, clock out.
They're not, it's a means to anend.
(35:05):
And that's fine.
That's fine.
But, um, yeah.
Jamie (35:12):
Yeah.
So for the listeners that, youknow, if there's anything that
resonated, especially when itcomes to talking about emotions,
talking about tapping back in, Iwould, I'm offering all your
listeners my workbook, and it'sactually work navigating and
working with your emotions.
Because they are the, yes, theyare the key to navigating this
(35:32):
world and navigating your worldin general.
Um, so it is going to be freefor your listeners with the code
BlasphemousNutrition.
And I'll, we'll put, I'll sendyou the link and all the
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So if they, it's, and it's not avery big workbook.
And it's actually, um, it's athree step program of listening
(35:55):
to your emotions, letting them,feeling them, and then
discovering their wisdom at theend of it.
Because I'm somebody whointellectualized her feelings,
who knew, like, why I wasfeeling, but never felt them.
But once I started feeling them,I got some really good guidance,
and things started shifting andchanging in my world.
So I, my brain needs to knowthere's a carrot at the end.
(36:18):
So this is for all of my otherintellectualizers, this
workbook, so
Aimee (36:23):
it's so generous of you.
Thank you.
Thank you for that gift.
It's
Jamie (36:28):
my pleasure.
Aimee (36:29):
One last question before we wrap up, Jamie, what is
something that is blasphemousabout you?
Jamie (36:38):
Oh, there's a lot.
We feel like there's probablystuff even in this conversation.
I think probably in our world,in our culture, in our society,
the most blasphemous thing aboutme is I I wholeheartedly believe
(36:58):
in the power of people showingup authentically in our world,
and I support many people indoing so.
And I know that it scares peoplebecause, you know, we're
removing control.
But I think that is the wayforward in this world.
Aimee (37:18):
How do you feel that is blasphemous?
Jamie (37:21):
I think it's very, it's actually going very much against
our societal norms of thatfitting in culture.
Right.
Aimee (37:28):
Okay.
I'm seeing that.
Jamie (37:30):
Yeah.
And I'm over here going like,you know what?
Let's rebel against this.
You know, let's step out of lineand create and see what else is
out there for us.
Cause like I said, you were, youcame here to create, you didn't
come here to work.
Aimee (37:50):
Awesome.
With that mic drop moment, Iwant to thank you so much for
joining us today for the lovelyconversation and all the
valuable little nuggets ofwisdom that you have shared with
us.
Jamie (38:08):
Thank you so much, Aimee.
It was a blast to have thisconversation.
Aimee (38:12):
So I'll have the link to the book in the show notes.
And Jamie, if people wanna reachout to you.
Are you on the socials?
Where can people find you?
Jamie (38:20):
Yeah, you can find me on Instagram at Walker xo xo.
Um, you can also find me onTikTok and you can find me on my
website, which is walkercoaching.ca.
Aimee (38:30):
Awesome.
Thank you so much for your timetoday, Jamie.
Jamie (38:33):
Thank
Aimee (38:33):
you.
Take
Jamie (38:34):
care.
Aimee (38:34):
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(38:55):
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Thanks again for tuning in toBlasphemous Nutrition.
Until next time, this is Amysigning off, reminding you that
truth is nuanced, and any dishcan be made better with a little
(39:17):
bit of sass.
I have had.
The most wonderful pleasure.
Of speaking with Jamie Walker.
On today's episode aboutcreating healthy work
boundaries.
I know so many of you in theworkplace feel like.
You're stretched so thin.
That you cannot meet.
(00:20):
Your work demands and also takecare of yourself.
And.
In conversations that I've hadwith clients, many of the work
demands that are being asked ofthem are.
Really beyond what isreasonable.
So I invited Jamie to come on toblossom as nutrition.
To talk about how.
(00:42):
We can begin to take back ourlife and.
Our autonomy.
In the workplace in a way that.
You know, isn't going tonecessarily get us kicked out.
Because.
Having a job's important, right?
And as an ICF associated,certified life and mind rebel
(01:04):
coach Jamie.
Helps her clients ease theirminds so that they can live from
their hearts.
You will.
Gather from listening to herthat she is wildly in love with
life and not one to shy fromdoing the inner work herself.
She considers herself atransformation of warrior and
(01:26):
helps her clients reconnect withtheir authentic selves and see
their dreams in a whole newlight.
And gain the confidence to goafter them.
Our conversation is like Janey.
Very deep, luscious, juicy.
There's a lot of wonderfulnuggets of wisdom.
And.
(01:47):
Food for thought.
In today's episode.
I am.
Certain that whether you workfor yourself, Or you work in the
corporate culture.
Or you work with people in thecorporate culture.
There are gems for you to takeaway from our conversation
today.
So sit back.
(02:08):
Buckle up.
And let's move on into it.
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(02:32):
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Now let's get started.
Jamie Walker, welcome toBlasphemous Nutrition.
(03:16):
I'm so excited to have you here.
Jamie (03:19):
Oh, Aimee, I'm so glad to be here and I'm so excited for
this conversation.
Aimee (03:23):
So I was really thrilled to find you and to bring you in
because of the, thepervasiveness of, I wouldn't
even say blurred, but absentwork life boundaries.
That I've seen with my clients,particularly since the pandemic
kicked off and people wereworking from home and all of our
(03:45):
traditional typical breaks thatwere built in, like getting in
the car and leaving or going tothe bathroom between meetings
like these kind of evaporated.
And for a lot of my clients,there's been this increasing
unwritten expectation that theyare available 24 seven, that
(04:08):
they really dedicate their livesto the, the, um, key performance
indicators and return oninvestments that, that are set
by their team, that are set bytheir management.
and it's, it's.
Recurringly brought up as amajor obstacle that gets in the
way of them being able toconsistently exercise, prepare
(04:32):
meals for themselves, even takethe time to eat a meal during
the workday.
So I was hoping that you couldreally help us find ways to
reclaim the foundation of ourlives and health from our
(04:53):
employers.
so that for my clients and forlisteners so that they can kind
of push back against that, thatcultural norm to reclaim the
time and energy for themselvesto keep their health intact.
Because the consequences havebeen literally loss of health.
(05:18):
And, and in a culture whereeveryone around you is working
and working and the expectationis you are there, the
expectation is if your bosssends an email, you respond to
it.
Even if it's a weekend, even ifit's in the evening, even if
you're out having a anniversarydinner with your spouse, right?
Like you show up.
(05:40):
How can people push back againstthat in a way that doesn't feel
like they're gonna lose theirjob, especially in sectors where
things are uncertain?
Jamie (05:50):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, uh, for those of the whojust listening, I, and if
there's no video, I, my smileright there was a very strange
smile because it is like, asyou're discussing, as we're
discussing this, I'm getting allthose feelings.
It's like, oof, it is rough.
And.
(06:10):
And I think, I know that thereis a way, and it's not going to
look like everybody else's way.
And one thing that we need tobring into this conversation is
discernment.
is because what I may say mightnot feel right for, for you,
(06:34):
might not feel right for ourlistener, might not.
So that, that's kind of my,that's always my first thing
when we're talking aboutboundaries or lack of
boundaries, because my boundaryis going to look different than
your boundary and, and viceversa.
Aimee (06:47):
Right.
Jamie (06:49):
Um, but you're right.
So if they're feeling like thisPressure.
And, and the truth is that welive in the real friggin world.
We gotta pay the bills.
We gotta pay the bills.
This is, whether you believe in,um, we're a post, uh,
capitalism, or we're in acapitalistic world, like, we,
we, we're there.
This is this is the truth.
Aimee (07:11):
Yeah.
Jamie (07:13):
And so I think the first thing is about noticing what is
happening to you.
Because when we're we're feelingwe're feeling that when we get
that email like you said on a,at a dinner, https: otter.
ai at night and we're feelingthe urge, that's a response.
(07:37):
We're just feeling that urge torespond.
And then we're looking at ourworld and we're just responding
to everything.
We're not actually internalizingany of it.
Aimee (07:43):
Hmm.
Yeah.
Jamie (07:44):
Your body is.
Let, let me be clear about that.
Your body's internalizing thatstress.
Your mind's on response mode.
So I think the first step in allof this is finding space in your
day.
And I know how hard that cansound.
(08:08):
Even a minute.
To just have a deep breath isthe start of finding that space
for yourself.
Aimee (08:20):
Do is spend a little extra time in the bathroom than
I need to.
Jamie (08:24):
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Because
Aimee (08:26):
people are not going to barge in and bother you there
still, thankfully, I hope.
Right.
Jamie (08:31):
Right.
What is that meme?
That, that the floating aroundthe internet.
Uh, boss makes a dollar.
I make a dive.
So I shit on company time.
I remember being, when I was inthe corporate world, I was like,
yeah, that was, that was real.
Oh my God.
Why not?
Why not?
(08:51):
Much that's, that's just it.
Aimee (08:54):
Yeah.
Jamie (08:54):
and I love that idea of like, cause you're, you're The
bathroom.
You're right.
It's a private space.
You're sitting there.
Unless you're working
Aimee (09:01):
at home and you have children at home and then there
are no private spaces, but Yeah.
Yeah.
For many people, they can stillclaim the bathroom as a private
space to take an extra minute.
Yeah.
Jamie (09:14):
And that's what I mean.
Just start there.
Just start noticing what ishappening.
Because your body's going totell you what our goal is as
coaches is to get our clients tounderstand what their body is
telling them before the stresstakes over and ends up in the
hospital.
Aimee (09:30):
Yeah.
Jamie (09:32):
Because that is the alternative if you don't start
taking time, not to scareanybody.
Aimee (09:41):
But it is.
It is.
I mean, I've not directly, buttertiary like witnessed that.
Jamie (09:54):
And then, of course, once you start taking that space and
that time, it gets easier.
And that's all we're talkingabout.
We're talking about, you know,there's no point in being like,
Oh my God, I need to meditatefor 20 minutes every morning.
If you've never done it, yourmuscle, your first of all, your
brain's going to go over and golike, Oh shit, I don't know how
(10:15):
to do this.
Yeah.
Aimee (10:17):
Yeah.
Jamie (10:18):
And it's going to actually automatically try and
like sabotage you because it'snot used to it.
So we can't be doing that.
So when we take like smallsteps, we'll actually get you
much further.
Aimee (10:33):
And for those who have taken a moment, or maybe they
have gotten sick and momentshave been given to them to
reflect.
And they realize.
This is not sustainable.
I'm, I'm feeling burned out orI'm approaching burnout or, oh
gosh, I actually achievedburnout last year and kept
(10:55):
going, but I feel stuck.
I feel trapped because If I amgoing to keep my job on this
team where people are being laidoff, if I am going to have a
chance to you know, to, topotentially increase, you know,
my, my position, my pay, get abonus, what have you, I have to
(11:19):
show up.
How can they do that withoutsacrificing their health in the
process?
I feel that's where everybodyfeels like they're at is between
that rock and a hard place.
Yeah.
How can they change theirexperience within a company
culture that presents itself inthis way as being normal,
(11:42):
appropriate, and how things aregoing to be?
Jamie (11:47):
The thing that comes to mind right now is the, the idea
of if you're not showing up, youknow, let's say 75 to a hundred
percent you in your job, you'renot showing up fully who you are
(12:08):
as a worker.
So therefore, you're actually,potentially sacrificing any
advancement because you're goingthere.
So we talk, we hear about,leaders in the space talking,
especially in the tech world andthe corporate world.
We hear do the things that movethe needle.
If you're stuck in that burnoutand response mode, you're just
(12:32):
doing whatever's coming yourway.
You're not paying attention towhat's actually moving the
needle for the company.
So therefore you're not going tobe in a position where they're
going to say, let's promote thisperson.
There's also the other risk ofif you're somebody that is
responding and supportingeverybody else around you, let's
(12:54):
keep that person in that space.
They're doing a wonderful.
wonderful job of supporting me,why would I want to lose that
person?
And that's not to say that notto be bad at your job, that's
not it at all.
But that is the reason why weneed to take time to ourselves
so that we can calm our minds,see what the bigger picture is,
(13:17):
understand what's happening andcheck in with ourselves.
And that's going to also help usdecide what tasks really do need
to be done.
And sometimes in the corporateworld, we do need to push back.
You know, when we look at we'reall humans.
Aimee (13:36):
Yeah.
Jamie (13:37):
We all, you know, we all sit to shit.
So regardless of who your bossis, they're human.
They're going to make mistakesand and things of that nature.
Aimee (13:47):
How do we begin to push back?
Jamie (13:52):
I think it starts with, um, some really big confidence
in yourself, giving yourselfthat support.
And I always like to do thisthing with my clients where we
go, okay, you're going to dosomething really scary,
pushback, especially if you'resomebody that like identifies as
a people pleaser, responding toeverything that comes through.
(14:13):
Like this is, this is scarystuff and it pushes at the core.
It does.
It truly does.
And so, okay, what support can Igive myself and the confidence
that I need to start to pushback?
Pushing back is not rude.
(14:34):
That's the other thing.
We need, we need people tounderstand that pushing back is
not rude.
It's not demeaning.
It's not bad in any way, unlessyou decide to, to, to use
certain language, that's adifferent story, but I think
(14:55):
understanding what your role is,understanding what your capacity
is currently.
are all things that are going tobe able to help support you to
push back.
I love the idea of, in thecorporate world, taking a look
at, okay, so you have a new taskthat has added to your plate,
(15:19):
and you realize you're past,you're over capacity.
And let's be real, like, we needto go back, we need to focus on
that, what is that, notnecessarily nine to five, but,
like, couple hours, what areyour hours in your day?
whether it's like, could be even12 to eight for, for, you know,
that, that doesn't matter.
But like, what is the amountthat you're able to give that
(15:42):
you are contractually obligatedto give your company?
Aimee (15:46):
People work beyond what is on contract and no one is
forcing you, right.
But the culture of theworkplace.
holds this unwrittenexpectation.
Jamie (16:03):
And culture that holds that unwritten expectation, you
are not the only one who feelsthat pressure.
You are not the only one in thatcompany who is upset by this,
and you are not alone.
And I think knowing, hearingthat is important.
(16:24):
Doesn't mean run to HR, doesn'tmean to gossip, doesn't mean,
but just knowing that if that'sthe culture that is being set.
But that is a suppressiveculture that the majority of
humans will not be able to growin.
And you need to make a decisionthen, are you, are you able to,
(16:46):
okay, we have to work, we haveto work.
Do you have to earn money?
Do I put this job then on alower priority in my life so
that I still make the money?
I put it in the parameters of mynine to five.
And then there's other things inmy life that are of a higher
priority to me.
There, there are people outthere that can do that.
(17:09):
You know, you were not meant tocome to this earth to work.
Aimee (17:15):
And the other thing I have more Puritans that would
disagree with you.
Jamie (17:19):
I get it.
I completely understand thatthere, there's many that would
disagree with that.
And some people might be like,well, making artists work, you
know.
But we did come here to create.
We didn't necessarily come hereto work.
Aimee (17:41):
I love that distinction.
Jamie (17:44):
The other thing that I always love to say is, um, I
mean this, and this goes for alarge chunk of the population.
There is a small chunk of thepopulation that, you know, when
we look at healthcare andeverything like that.
But chances are, you're notsaving babies.
You not answering that email, orputting your family first, or
(18:08):
doing what is best for you inthat moment that is outside that
9 to 5 obligation is, is notgoing to put anybody out.
You're not going to put anyone,you know, there's not going to
be something that completelycrumbles and falls apart because
you did that.
(18:28):
And oftentimes when we're inresponse mode, that's what we
think.
Aimee (18:31):
Yes.
Yes.
And when everyone is in responsemode, that's what everyone
thinks.
Jamie (18:37):
Yeah.
Aimee (18:38):
It's so hard to step out of that because everyone else is
in it as well.
Jamie (18:46):
But could you imagine that if you decide to step out
of that, the leader you would bein your company guaranteed, like
I said, you're not the only onethat's feeling this and you have
the chance to become an example.
Yes,
Aimee (19:06):
I have been working with someone and we've been having
these conversations over thelast year and she is well
established in her career, is ina very high performance, high
demand sector and And she wasbutting up against, you know,
(19:29):
her need to take care of herhealth versus the company
culture, which was definitelycreating burnout and stress that
was really manifesting itself inher body and how it was able to
perform in sport and otherthings.
And she started settingboundaries.
And, and she started putting herhealth first and putting what
(19:54):
she needed to do for herselffirst and sending out emails
saying, you know, I will notrespond to email after this
time.
I will get back to it, at theearliest convenience at this
time.
And I remember her saying thatwhat she was doing was having a
(20:14):
positive influence on her boss.
Who is notorious for overworkingburning out, like just, you
know, super nice guy, but justtotally sacrificing himself.
Right.
And I also remember havingconversations with her about
that very thing of you are in aposition as a woman in this
(20:35):
field, which is male dominated,to show up in this way and teach
those who are coming after you,who are being mentored by you,
that it can be different.
And, and I, I feel, it reallydoes.
Take one brave person to beginto change the culture of a team
(21:04):
or, or a department, which thencan create a ripple effect that
changes the culture of at leasta small company, if not a huge
multinational conglomerate.
Jamie (21:20):
And when you look at that ripple effect, and I love that
you're Your client is steppinginto that because you're right.
Not only is she affecting, um,you know, her, her co workers
and clearly her boss, she'saffecting those people's
families too in a positivelight.
Yes.
We're, you know, as humans, weWe don't always see the full
(21:46):
effects of that ripple, but ittouches more than just the
people directly around you whenyou decide to support yourself
and create those boundaries.
Aimee (22:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And she's, you know, she's in aposition where she's got the
seniority to, to do that withoutfeeling, feeling like her career
was on the line.
I, you know, I, and I wonder howsomeone who is not yet
established, who is kind of, uh,fighting their way up the
(22:27):
corporate ladder, as it were,how they might be able to do
that differently.
But I have also heard that GenZ, is refusing to even take it
on that there.
And I, I don't work with manypeople in that demographic.
So that's hearsay.
Jamie (22:44):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Aimee (22:45):
You know, as far as I know, I haven't heard it
straight from the horse's mouthas it were.
But, but it is my understandingthat, you know, maybe, maybe
that will, that will end withthat generation and that would
be fantastic.
Jamie (23:00):
Yeah.
I, I do have the pleasure ofworking with some Gen Z's and
Aimee (23:06):
tell me,
Jamie (23:07):
Oh my gosh, they are an incredible, an incredible group.
they're incredibly hard workingfor things they believe in.
Aimee (23:17):
Yeah.
That's awesome.
Jamie (23:19):
Yeah.
I work with some Gen Zentrepreneurs who are like,, who
are ready to, Make an incrediblepositive change and work for it
in the workforce.
Um, and I also work with Gen Z'swho some of Gen Z's who are in
the corporate world.
And they're, they're very goodat their job.
They'll go and they'll do it.
They'll find the most efficient,best, smartest way to do their
(23:39):
job because they grew up in, inthat technology era.
And.
That's it.
That's you just have to let themdo that.
They believe in equality.
They believe in a living wage,and they believe in having the
conditions that are not going tobe suppressing them at work.
(23:59):
So I think we're going to see,continue to see a big shift in,
in the workplace culture.
And anytime you know millennialscame through and I remember when
I entered the workforce to Iwas.
Like constantly battling withthat.
Okay, I need to answereverything to work up the out
ladder.
Plus I need to take care ofmyself.
(24:20):
I remember that, but I doremember still pushing back a
little bit.
Aimee (24:24):
Are you a millennial?
Jamie (24:26):
I am a millennial.
Aimee (24:27):
Okay.
I'm Gen
Jamie (24:30):
X.
Um, yes.
So yeah, so as you know, and I,I, I love.
My Gen Xers that started this,you know, they started this
trend of like, you know, F thesystem and in these brilliant,
beautiful ways and allowed me tostep in and continue pushing the
(24:51):
boundaries.
And I, the millennials made wayfor our Gen Zs to continue doing
it.
It is very exciting and changeis messy.
Like we're going through thisand change is very messy and
it's hard.
Aimee (25:07):
And we're
Jamie (25:07):
like, we're just at the beginning of it.
That's the other thing I waslike, we're talking about three
generations here.
That's not very long in the spanof like, when we look at
history.
Aimee (25:19):
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
In my mind, I'm seeing thisconvergence of.
Of this shift from the workersdemanding to have a life, um,
you know, butting up againstthese big behemoth systems that
are so huge, but so fragile.
(25:42):
And I think we've really in thepast four years have become
aware of how fragile the systemis and how one tiny little virus
can just, you know, cause allthe cracks to show up.
And the impact that that has.
And so in my mind I'm seeingthis force of this, this
(26:04):
generation that won't ever takeon the mantle to then have to
dismantle it right and they'regonna butt up against these
systems that depend uponpeople's sacrifice of their
lives, and it's just gonna, fallapart is what it feels like.
But that's how change feels,right?
(26:25):
Like things are falling apart.
Jamie (26:27):
I think you've nailed it.
These big companies or a companyor companies, some companies
depend on the sacrifice of theirworkers to exist.
Aimee (26:37):
They do.
Absolutely.
The only way that you can get.
Quarter over quarter growth isthrough massive sacrifice and it
is not happening., I mean, it'snot happening for the bulk of
the shareholders, right?
It's happening at the providerlevel.
(26:57):
It's happening at the teamlevel.
It's happening, you know, at theprogrammer level, it's, it's
happening with the folks who areboots on the ground and, and the
mass exodus that has beenhappening.
In, in medical, I mean, inmedical people are like, F it.
I'm leaving, and people aregetting laid off, but, but it's
(27:19):
just, there's so muchdisruption.
And, and so I feel encouragedbecause it's like, okay, those
who are coming after us are,are, if anything, not going to
repeat this pattern, right?
They're already pushing upagainst it at the beginning of
(27:42):
their career.
I kind of interpret that to meanthat as someone who would be
well established in my career,that also gives me a little bit
more leeway to start saying no,even if it means I'm not
answering emails after 6pmMonday through Friday.
(28:05):
That one thing, that one change.
And then maybe, you know, us GenXers.
you know, the older Millennials,maybe we don't have to finish
our career completely physicallydestroyed.
Jamie (28:26):
Yeah, that would be, and I love the fact that if you
painting that picture, because Ido believe that that is where we
can head.
Oh, absolutely.
We can go.
Aimee (28:36):
Yeah.
Jamie (28:36):
And, and then we have our, our beautiful gen alphas
afterwards that you guys haveever dealt with the gen alpha.
They're like little honeybadgers.
Um, that's a whole other story,uh, who are definitely not going
to take the, the
Aimee (28:53):
BS.
Jamie (28:56):
And I wanted, you said something about these companies
that are so fragile and I wantedto take that back because
something popped when you weresaying that.
What do we tell kids, when theyget bullied?
Well, one, now we're tellingthem like, that's not okay,
don't, you don't need to takethat.
Two, we also, as we get older,we start to learn how fragile
that bully is.
Aimee (29:15):
Right,
Jamie (29:18):
yeah.
I just want to leave that forlisteners, just as a seed
planted.
If you're feeling bullied atwork, either by, by somebody or
by the workplace culture,bullying is always rooted.
(29:39):
Infragility.
Mm
Aimee (29:40):
hmm.
Yeah.
And it definitely is, it isdefinitely driven by fear.
The workplace culture, it'sdriven by fear.
Because there's always someoneup higher who's going to get
their undies wadded in a bunchif things don't look a certain
way.
(30:01):
And that fear, like, that's,that's the trickle down effect.
Yeah.
Jamie (30:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That totally, the fear is thetrickle down effect, it's not,
it's not economics.
Aimee (30:15):
Not economics, no.
It's the fear that tricklesdown, folks.
Yeah.
Jamie (30:25):
But if you are someone that is noticing that and
getting that pushback, those areyour emotions telling you that.
Something's not right here andyour emotions are going to be
telling you that because youhave the power to do something
different.
Aimee (30:40):
Yes.
Jamie (30:42):
Yeah.
And that might be the smallestlittle voice inside you at
first, but you wouldn't befeeling uncomfortable if you did
not have the power to changebecause your body would tell you
we're going to keep going.
We're in survivor mode.
Like we're fine.
But if you actually take thatminute on the toilet.
(31:02):
And tap into your body and youremotions, they're going to
actually be able to help younavigate these situations.
Aimee (31:14):
Do you have any other wise words of wisdom or
practical tips for people to, tobegin to act subversively as an
act of self preservation?
Jamie (31:29):
I think when you show up in your, and even just a smidgen
of your authenticity in, in theworkplace, like you said, there
is a ripple effect that iscreated and you can change.
You are changing people withoutyou even noticing.
You are changing without evennoticing the other thing.
(31:55):
And I think the other big thingis to be gracious with yourself.
Aimee (32:04):
What does that look like?
Jamie (32:06):
That looks like throughout this process.
You're going to mess up.
Things are going, you might notget the response that you
actually needed.
You very well might be fired orlaid off when you start this
process, but anything that is arejection is actually a divine
(32:32):
redirection.
It is giving you that space tofind a better fit for you.
And yes, we live in the realworld.
The stresses of money are thereal problem.
But being in an environment thatis incredibly toxic, that,
(32:56):
because at that point, if youare changing and you are trying
to encourage healthy boundaries,and you then be laid off, that
is an environment that ischoosing to stay toxic.
Aimee (33:10):
Oh, that's an interesting point.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jamie (33:14):
Often, or oftentimes in the workplace culture, it's
often, um, It's very, it can beignorant.
People don't realize it untilthey see something different.
But if you're showing up andyou're doing that differently,
yeah, it's choosing to staytoxic.
It's choosing to exploit itsworkers.
Do you really want to staythere?
Aimee (33:37):
Yeah, it reminds me of a story.
My husband told me, he's in thetech sector and he relayed to me
a story about someone who hadleft a job.
I don't remember why andaccepted a position for less pay
because it was a better workenvironment.
(34:00):
And, and this was someone forwhom leaving a job was not, you
know, he's at the tail end ofhis career.
He's in his fifties in tech.
A guy in his fifties in tech isnot guaranteed to get another
job, risky move.
And, he was able to find adifferent job.
(34:23):
The pay was not as high.
However.
He feels happier.
He feels more in alignment withwhere he wants to be with his
work because of that change.
Jamie (34:36):
And I bet you he's doing better work because of it.
Aimee (34:39):
Oh yeah.
I'm sure.
I'm sure.
Yeah.
Jamie (34:41):
His output has increased.
Yeah.
Aimee (34:44):
Exactly.
And if that's a value, you know,if, if you, if you do value the
work that you do and theperformance that you do offer,
that becomes an importantconsideration.
I mean, some people don't care,right?
They just clock in, clock out.
They're not, it's a means to anend.
(35:05):
And that's fine.
That's fine.
But, um, yeah.
Jamie (35:12):
Yeah.
So for the listeners that, youknow, if there's anything that
resonated, especially when itcomes to talking about emotions,
talking about tapping back in, Iwould, I'm offering all your
listeners my workbook, and it'sactually work navigating and
working with your emotions.
Because they are the, yes, theyare the key to navigating this
(35:32):
world and navigating your worldin general.
Um, so it is going to be freefor your listeners with the code
BlasphemousNutrition.
And I'll, we'll put, I'll sendyou the link and all the
information for that.
So if they, it's, and it's not avery big workbook.
And it's actually, um, it's athree step program of listening
(35:55):
to your emotions, letting them,feeling them, and then
discovering their wisdom at theend of it.
Because I'm somebody whointellectualized her feelings,
who knew, like, why I wasfeeling, but never felt them.
But once I started feeling them,I got some really good guidance,
and things started shifting andchanging in my world.
So I, my brain needs to knowthere's a carrot at the end.
(36:18):
So this is for all of my otherintellectualizers, this
workbook, so
Aimee (36:23):
it's so generous of you.
Thank you.
Thank you for that gift.
It's
Jamie (36:28):
my pleasure.
Aimee (36:29):
One last question before we wrap up, Jamie, what is
something that is blasphemousabout you?
Jamie (36:38):
Oh, there's a lot.
We feel like there's probablystuff even in this conversation.
I think probably in our world,in our culture, in our society,
the most blasphemous thing aboutme is I I wholeheartedly believe
(36:58):
in the power of people showingup authentically in our world,
and I support many people indoing so.
And I know that it scares peoplebecause, you know, we're
removing control.
But I think that is the wayforward in this world.
Aimee (37:18):
How do you feel that is blasphemous?
Jamie (37:21):
I think it's very, it's actually going very much against
our societal norms of thatfitting in culture.
Right.
Aimee (37:28):
Okay.
I'm seeing that.
Jamie (37:30):
Yeah.
And I'm over here going like,you know what?
Let's rebel against this.
You know, let's step out of lineand create and see what else is
out there for us.
Cause like I said, you were, youcame here to create, you didn't
come here to work.
Aimee (37:50):
Awesome.
With that mic drop moment, Iwant to thank you so much for
joining us today for the lovelyconversation and all the
valuable little nuggets ofwisdom that you have shared with
us.
Jamie (38:08):
Thank you so much, Aimee.
It was a blast to have thisconversation.
Aimee (38:12):
So I'll have the link to the book in the show notes.
And Jamie, if people wanna reachout to you.
Are you on the socials?
Where can people find you?
Jamie (38:20):
Yeah, you can find me on Instagram at Walker xo xo.
Um, you can also find me onTikTok and you can find me on my
website, which is walkercoaching.ca.
Aimee (38:30):
Awesome.
Thank you so much for your timetoday, Jamie.
Jamie (38:33):
Thank
Aimee (38:33):
you.
Take
Jamie (38:34):
care.
Aimee (38:34):
If you have found some Nuggets of Wisdom, make sure to
subscribe, rate, and shareBlasphemous Nutrition with those
you care about.
As you navigate the labyrinth ofhealth advice out there,
remember, health is a journey,not a dietary dictatorship.
Stay skeptical, stay daring, andchallenge the norms that no
(38:55):
longer serve you.
If you've got burning questionsor want to share your own flavor
of rebellion, slide into my DMs.
Your stories fuel me, and I lovehearing them.
Thanks again for tuning in toBlasphemous Nutrition.
Until next time, this is Amysigning off, reminding you that
truth is nuanced, and any dishcan be made better with a little
(39:17):
bit of sass.
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