March 2, 2025 • 31 mins
In this illuminating episode of Bleeding Daylight, host Rodney Olsen speaks with Amy Lykosh, founder of Workplace Prayer, about transforming our approach to prayer. Raised in a home deeply committed to international missions, Amy shares her journey from stepping away from prayer due to fear and pressure, to rediscovering its power through simple daily practices and eventually building a ministry that provides professional prayer coverage for businesses and organizations.
Amy offers practical wisdom on developing a sustainable prayer life, finding grace in imperfection, and recognizing God's presence in everyday moments. She challenges conventional thinking about the relationship between prayer and business, sharing remarkable stories of transformation while honestly addressing the limitations and ethical considerations of professional intercessory prayer. This conversation will inspire listeners to reimagine their own prayer practices while offering fresh perspectives on integrating faith with work.
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Most of us struggle with prayer in one way or another.
Whether it's knowing how to pray or being able to set regular rhythms of prayer, many of us could do with a little help.
Today's guest has literally made it her business to pray for others and she can teach us all about growing in our practice of prayer.
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Raised in a home deeply committed to international missions, Amy Lykos has lived a life of spiritual dedication.
After experiencing a personal season of disconnection from prayer, she rediscovered her connection with God and now leads Workplace Prayer, passionate about helping others explore and deepen their prayer lives.
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A homeschooling advocate, mother of five, and someone who has navigated unique life experiences, Amy brings an authentic, enthusiastic perspective on faith, family, and spiritual growth.
I'm so pleased to have her as my guest today.
Amy, welcome to Bleeding Daylight.
Thank you so much.
It's my pleasure to be with you.
I love this idea of your ministry, of Workplace Prayer, and I'm looking forward to exploring it with you.
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But first, let's dig a little into your own story.
Tell me about the spiritual heritage that you were surrounded by as you grew up.
Yeah, I was so blessed.
I lived with my parents at the U.S. Center for World Mission.
They had a space where they had different missionaries in a fairly small, several block region.
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We just had this beautiful opportunity.
My dad was on staff and he would go and have morning prayer.
And I just remember being surrounded by godly people.
It was just a beautiful place.
And at that time, my mom realized that there were two main reasons why people left the mission field.
So, the number one reason was that they didn't get along with their team.
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And she thought, well, there's not much I could do about that.
That sounds like a personal problem.
But the second reason was because there wasn't an opportunity to teach their children.
So, they needed to either send children to boarding school or go off the mission field were usually the only options.
And she thought, well, I could do something about that.
I could actually send homeschool materials out to missionaries.
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And so, my parents started a business, Sunlight Curriculum, and then my dad soon joined my mom.
But because of his background in the mission field and working with missionaries, he thought, well, we should make sure that we always have prayer as part of our daily life, sunlight.
And so, I grew up with this idea that if you have a business that you should actually just pray for it every day.
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That's a normal thing.
It's part of your value system.
It was surprising to me then years later to realize that that wasn't what everybody thought.
I was going to say, I often speak to people who have been through some fairly traumatic upbringings and often ask them, when did you realize this was not normal?
Because they grow up in that setting.
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It's different for you.
You grew up in a place where prayer was very normal, where seeking God for business, for mission, for whatever is very, very normal.
When did you realize, hey, this is not normal.
Not everyone is doing this.
I didn't actually have a lot of experience in other businesses.
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When I graduated from college, I went to work with my parents because I'm happy to do literature.
I'm an English and humanities major.
So, I was like, the more books, the better.
I think, though, for me personally, I stepped away from prayer probably about eight years or so after I started working with my parents because it freaked me out.
I think just the idea that there were malevolent forces working against me and I wasn't really sure how to hear God's voice.
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It just felt really disorienting.
It wasn't that I completely stopped prayer.
It was more like, instead of going full throttle, I knew that I was stepping back and playing it safe.
But I also felt like, I don't know how not to play safe.
That's the only thing I know how to do.
I don't know how to actually be aggressive or intentional or really passionate about this.
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I tried once more a few years later.
I felt like within two or three weeks, I was going crazy.
Nobody likes to feel neurotic all the time.
So, I just stepped away again for a few more years.
That was kind of my prayer journey.
But then I guess I probably didn't realize that not everybody prayed for businesses until just a few years ago when I would tell people that I pray for businesses as my job.
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And they would kind of look at me and cock their heads like, is that a thing?
And so, that's probably about the time I've clued in.
Help me understand that departure from prayer because you're saying that you became aware that there were these forces that were against you.
Was it a case of fear of, hey, let's not poke the bear?
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Or was it more a case of, hey, look, I just don't know how to deal with this?
What was it for you that caused you to say, I need to step back from this?
Oh, that's a really beautiful question.
Personally, my husband and at the time, four of our sons, because we didn't have the fifth one yet, had moved to unimproved land in central Virginia.
Every day, we were dealing with things that we'd never faced before.
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So, whether it was tick infestations or poison ivy that went systemic head to toe, the snake that was in our kitchen wares, I mean, everything was, it felt like the world was trying to kill us every day.
And so, I knew enough about prayer to say, okay, I need to make sure that I'm praying protection over my family.
And then there was a day that I forgot and there was an accident or near accident that happened that day.
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And I remember that horrible rewind where you're like, I didn't pray this morning.
And at the time, instead of recognizing everybody is fine, nobody actually died, in my mind, I was like, I am human and therefore I am fallible and I will never be able to pray well enough to actually protect my family.
And therefore, I actually, I have to tap out because it freaks me out too much.
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It's kind of too much responsibility.
And it took me years before I had better perspective.
We can feel that the weight of the universe is pressing down on us and we forget to pray and it comes down to us.
How important is it for us to realize the enormity of God that he's got it, that whether we're stepping in and praying and prayer is important and prayer is effective and prayer has a place, but to realize that God is even bigger than all of that.
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Right.
So, that basically was the answer.
Some years later, I went to a conference and one of the speakers talked about how he would go into hospitals and just pray over all of the people.
I think he was a chaplain and had special access to go into maybe the heart attack ward.
And he said, if I had gone in expecting my prayer is going to make the difference between life and death for all of these people, I could never have done it.
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I would have become a basket case.
And it wasn't until really he said that, that I realized, oh, right, yeah, actually life and death, that's actually up to God.
So, good point.
It is interesting that we sometimes do take that on for ourselves or we look at someone else and we they're an amazing prayer warrior, that their prayers are effective.
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And we read in the scriptures that prayers of a righteous man availeth much, if you want to go to King James, but we think, well, that means that I'm not righteous because I don't get everything right.
How much do we need to actually realize, no, no, we're seen as righteous through Jesus.
Therefore, that's us, that our prayers can actually bring forward result.
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Yes.
And that is one of the really incredible teachings.
My business partner, Bob Perry taught me so much when I first started working with him.
That was one of my questions was like, I don't think I'm very good at prayer, but when I look around at everybody around me, even the people that I would consider to be the best, I remember asking one of them a question and she said, well, I'm no expert.
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And I kind of felt like, if you're not an expert, what hope is there for the rest of us?
Oh my goodness.
It was really beautiful when I asked him the question on a scale of one to 10, how good are you at prayer?
I felt like up until then I'd probably never met anybody who would have said higher than a four.
I mean, most of us would have been kind of like, can you get in the decimals?
Like, are we fractions here?
So it was precious when Bob said, well, I think I'm a 10 based on how much I've studied and how dedicated I've been to this topic.
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But he said, I think all of us would be a 10 in prayer because we're all God's children and He loves to hear from us.
I think that was very healing for me to say, oh, I'm already actually good at prayer wherever I am on the journey.
So I totally agree with what you were saying.
How do we start to take steps towards recognizing that we can be a 10 in prayer without having to be this amazing biblical scholar who knows everything and has seen everything and does all these amazing things?
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How do we take those first steps?
That's a beautiful question.
I think for me, the way that I, I guess, started taking steps is saying I need to be okay with doing things imperfectly.
So that was the first thing.
And so I had made these different cards where I would write a name of my family as the first line on the seven cards and then names of businesses and names of friends.
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And so I would pray through those every day.
And I had done this multiple times over the years and I would do it for about three days and then I'd miss a day and I'd be like, well, I'm clearly a failure at this.
I'm out.
Finally, I was like, I need to actually just give myself grace that if I miss a day, the day will come up again in a week.
Or I could do two days at once.
It's not going to take me hours.
Maybe I'll read through the list a little bit faster.
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But once my goal became more prayer this week than last week, or more prayer this month than last month, it gave me a slightly larger timescale to work with.
That was one of the things was just saying, have some grace for yourself.
But I also started to recognize that single sentence prayers were also going to be effective.
That I could wake up in the morning and say, hello, Lord, thank you.
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What adventure are we going to be on today?
Or be with me this day.
That would be enough.
Or if I was driving by an ambulance, I could say, Lord, somebody's day is not going the way that they wanted.
Please be with them.
It was really a large range though, of those kind of single sentence prayers that I didn't have to, as a busy mom, try to figure out where in my day am I going to set aside a couple hours to go and behave like a nun.
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No, I can actually just do these things really quickly in the moment.
And that three-second prayers are actually also effective.
And it's interesting you mention that scenario of seeing an ambulance go by.
And I certainly have done that myself.
And just stop for a second or so and be praying for that person.
How important is it to be asking God to make us aware of what's around us?
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That there is opportunity wherever we look.
And to sharpen our radar for those sorts of things.
How do we do that?
Oh, I love that question.
And some of it is actually just asking.
I mean, I think part of what the Lord loves is when we come with open hands and say, oh, Lord, I want more of you.
That is a beautiful way to describe it, to be able to say, I want my radar sharpened.
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I've also heard it said, the things that make you want to do a double take.
You see something, it's like, oh, oh.
Or another person would say, it's almost like there's a little highlight.
If you're reading in the scripture, sometimes it's almost like maybe you've highlighted your Bible, but it's almost like the Holy Spirit is highlighting it.
And you're like, that verse is just resonating in a totally new way.
When that happens, it's really fun to say, oh, okay, Lord, what are you wanting to speak about that?
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Or if you have somebody come to mind that you maybe haven't thought of in a year or five years, 15 years, then it's fun when they come to mind to say, oh, I bet they probably need a little bit of prayer right now.
And to just say, Lord, wherever they are, please bless them.
Then it almost becomes your entire life is like a little treasure hunt or an Easter egg hunt with the Lord, that there's just these little treasures that he has hidden all over your life.
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And you get to go and gather them up.
And I mean, there's no penalty if you don't gather them all.
It's more just like always bonuses, all these extra gifts.
You mentioned there reading through the scripture and seeing God highlight various things.
And obviously, if we believe that the Bible is the living word, that we should be reading it, expecting to hear back from God, how important is it that we start to read it in a posture of prayer, knowing that we don't just get to read this for information, but we get to talk to the author while we're going.
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LS Yeah.
A few years ago, I was listening to a lecture, or I guess it was probably an interview with Deanna McCollum.
And he said something very similar, where he said, most of us do just read the Bible for information.
But then there's another layer where you could read it for inspiration, where you're like, okay, I'm waiting for the Lord to say something to me, like, okay, what's the thing that's being activated?
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And then he said, there's another layer where you can read it for impartation, where in, let's say, the book of Proverbs, where it says, and then you say to wisdom, you are my sister.
He said, I literally spent 10 years where if I read that passage, I would say, wisdom, you are my sister, and he would put action to the scriptures.
I thought this was amazing.
And I mentioned that at one point to Bob Perry.
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And Bob was like, oh, well, I use the scriptures for intercession.
And I was kind of like, okay, I've never heard of that.
What are you even talking about?
And he said, oh, yeah, when I was doing research into the great prayer people of the past, one of the things that all of them would do over time, they would figure out, oh, prayer is powerful, and the scripture is powerful.
So if we combine them, it's extra powerful.
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He said, I will just read and say, okay, as I'm reading the scriptures, what are some of the verses that I'm being invited to pray on behalf of someone else, or on behalf of myself.
So when we lead prayer calls, that is the format that we ask people to do that when they come that they say their name and where they're calling from.
And then they read a verse or two of scripture and then pray something out of that as response.
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And sometimes we get really overwhelmed with just the reading of the scripture.
And it's kind of like, okay, now I'm kind of weepy just reading it.
So amen.
And that is also really precious because we know that the word is living and active.
You mentioned that you stepped away from intensive prayer for a number of years before stepping back in.
And we do go through periods where things do seem a little bit dry, sometimes even going through a dark night of the soul.
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How do we stay connected in prayer?
Obviously, it's going to look very different.
But how do we stay connected in prayer when we are going through that darkness, through that feeling of disconnection, when we feel that God is not speaking to us?
In my case, I wouldn't say that I had stepped away from it because of a dark night of the soul.
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I stepped away because I was traumatized from all the things trying to kill me.
And just also from my own ignorance.
I know from having read different things from people who have dealt with the dark night of the soul.
I think my favorite description comes from Corrie ten Boom because she was somebody who I admire very much, survived the Holocaust, and has beautiful, beautiful stories in some of her books.
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One of the things that she said was that years after the Holocaust, she had been traveling the world for some years, telling her story and praying for people for reconciliation and deliverance and all these things.
She said there was a time, I think she was in a city in Germany, and she said it was like, I suddenly couldn't hear God.
And it was very disorienting for her because she had a very vibrant walk of faith.
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The picture that came to her later was that we know in the scriptures that God talks about how He's kind of like the mother bird and we're like the little chicks that are hiding under His wings.
And so she said that actually was the picture that I clung to.
That even though it seemed really dark, it was because the Holy Spirit had come and was hovering as a bird and had just settled.
And so I was tucked under His wing.
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I was actually closer to His heart.
I don't know that I personally have gone through a dark night of the soul where I just actually couldn't hear from God, but I think if I was going through it, that would be what I would imagine.
And I think that that's actually probably accurate, is that we're actually just so close.
And so to say the truth is that I actually am close to God still.
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The truth is that my sheep hear my voice, that this is what God says, that I actually do always have the option to come to the Lord.
So even if I don't hear Him at the moment, I can still trust that He actually is there.
You mentioned a moment ago about a prayer call, and I'm guessing that that's part of the ministry that you're part of, Workplace Prayer.
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Maybe you can draw us a bit of a picture of what Workplace Prayer involves, because it's probably a very foreign concept for a lot of people, that there's this prayer ministry that works as a business, so to speak.
Tell me, how is this made up?
How does it work?
We are a team.
At this point, we have about two dozen people.
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We're both a business and a nonprofit.
Anyone who wants to partner with us financially, we are happy to do that.
And then in any given week, we have somewhere between 100 and 120 man-hours of prayer coverage.
As much as possible, we like that to be partnership prayer or what we call friendship prayer, where we will have two or three intercessors come together over the phone for about an hour and just pray together.
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There's a pretty obscure scripture that says if one can put a thousand to flight to 10,000, so I think there's a real multiplication effect that can happen when you have more than one person praying.
As much as possible, we really like to have our people pray more than just individually, though we do also have some individual prayer time as well.
And I'm sure that there are people who say, paying for prayer, that just doesn't sound right.
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That doesn't sit right with me.
What would you say to those people?
Oh, no, it's a really legitimate question.
We actually have a booklet on our website, The Ethics of Paying for Prayer, because it is a really foreign concept, especially if you go back to, let's say, the Reformation, where you have Martin Luther, who's like, stop paying for indulgences.
You don't get to just buy some way of getting out of jail free for your sins.
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I think in some ways, there can be almost like an internal sense of like, is this pretty similar to that?
I think what's helpful to recognize is that when Jesus sent out the disciples and he said, freely you've received, freely give, all of the disciples were going out and they were not charging anybody for the gift of God.
But when they would go into a community, they were supposed to have their room and their board, and then they would just pray a blessing over that house.
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So there actually was an exchange that was going on.
I think to make it maybe more modern context, we would say something like, you're really just paying us for our time, because we also need to eat.
This is actually our job.
You're not paying for the Holy Spirit.
There's also a really interesting little story in the Old Testament when Saul loses his donkeys.
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He and his servant are going around looking, where are the donkeys?
And the servant says, oh, the man of God lives in that community over there, but why don't we go and ask?
And Saul says, well, I don't have any money.
And the servant says, oh, well, I do.
And so clearly at some point, besides paying for the Levites and such, there was the idea, if you wanted something from the Lord, you actually needed to pay the person who had been figuring out how to hear God's voice on your behalf.
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They were somehow okay with that.
So I think we maybe are a little bit more squeamish today in something that the ancient Israelites would have been like, oh no, that's totally, it makes sense.
We are really happy with paying for our pastors, for a worship leader, for various other people that work in so many different Christian ministries.
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And yet there's still this thing where we say, oh, paying for prayer.
So do you think it's just that it's not a common thing that we haven't sat down to say, well, these are just people who are also working in ministry.
These are people who also need to eat, as you say, who need to pay their bills, and we're not paying for a favorable outcome from God.
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We're just paying for someone to seek God on our behalf.
Yes, I love that analogy.
And one of the earlier things that I had read was talking about Mission India, which is an organization that basically grow churches in India through conversion and children's ministries and such.
And when they first got started, somebody asked the founder something very similar, like, would you consider instead of raising money to hire a fundraiser, would you raise money to hire an intercessor and just see how that goes?
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And the founder thought, well, that's a really interesting idea.
So he had an idea in his mind of how much money he was hoping a fundraiser would be able to make for them.
He was like, well, Lord, you know that this is kind of my intention, or this is what I would hope for.
And so if I hire an intercessor instead, then I'm just curious to see what the result will be.
And it ended up, they had donations of three times or something like that, what he had originally expected.
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And so he was kind of like, sold, like, let's make sure we always have a paid intercessor on staff, because that is going to be so helpful then.
And so they have continued that, that they still have a paid intercessor on staff with Mission India.
I remember talking to their current intercessor, and she said, I think sometimes that we're still riding the wave of intercession of that first intercessor that they hired.
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And that's just a beautiful story to me.
As far as workplace prayer goes, help me understand a little bit more of the actual dynamics of how it works.
Are we talking about individuals who are in a workplace and they're wanting prayer?
Or is it business owners?
Or is it a mixture?
Who are the sorts of people that come to you and say, I really need my endeavor to be bathed in prayer?
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Oh, I love that question.
We have a pretty wide range.
At one point, we were looking over our list.
And we're like, oh, we actually cover all of the seven spheres of influence.
So that was awesome.
And then we have everything from people who are over large organizations.
One of our clients at one point was one of the executives at one of the big four, and then he was headhunted into another role.
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So we're ranging from like very, very large organizations, like executives in those all the way down to solopreneurs.
We have serial entrepreneurs.
And then we also have a couple of families that were like, we just actually want covering for our family.
It's a little bit awkward because we say that our name is Workplace Prayer, but the reality is we're not actually just covering business.
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Because we recognize that business owners are also people, whether you're an owner, or whether you're an employee, whether you work in the government, the reality is we all actually just have need.
If you've ever tried to find friends to pray for you, it could be really difficult.
Speaking from experience, I know about this.
And so in some ways, it was like, well, rather than trying to find friends who would be willing to be your prayer shield, and then tell them how to pray or train them in prayer, that is in some ways the function that we serve.
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You can hire us, and we have found the people, we've trained them, they have good practice.
And so I guess that would be maybe my answer is that the people come from a wide range, including some are in ministry.
And yeah, it's a lovely mix.
You are daily going into the battle of spiritual forces.
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How important is it that you have prayer covering that people are praying for you and the others that are part of workplace prayer?
Oh, I don't know if anybody's asked me that.
But that is an awesome question.
It's absolutely vital.
So both me and my business partner are part of workplace prayer as clients.
And then we also have a few people who have reached out to us over the years who have said, I'm actually just praying for you.
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And it's almost like the Lord has put a burden on them.
We have them praying for us.
And then we also have a team of what we call advocates who pray both for our clients and then for us as an organization as well.
So in some ways, it feels very much like we have concentric circles of prayer, because it is actually a battle.
You're exactly right.
What have been some of the testimonies that you've heard from people that you've had the opportunity to pray for?
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A couple of my favorite ones.
One of our clients, when he came to us, we send out an intake form for everyone who's joining.
And he had filled his out, like, what is it that you're hoping to see the Lord would do?
And he filled his out.
And he said every one of those felt like Mount Everest to me.
And then over the course of about a year, it was like the Lord took that as a checklist and was like, yep, yep, yep, yep.
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And so it was so fun when the Lord does that.
He doesn't always, I'm not saying that his experience will be your experience, but it's really beautiful to see that that is a possibility.
Another client, he was one of our very first ones.
And when he started, he was paying us very generously.
And I was like, Lord, I would like him to get 100x return for every dollar that he's given.
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There was a dollar figure that I wanted.
And I asked him later, I was like, so did you get about this much?
Was that the increase in your sales last year?
And he was like, oh, actually, I think it was about 141 times.
So it was a big, big increase that he had gotten.
Another example, one of our farmers, his staff manager was out working with the potato harvester and somehow got caught in the potato harvesting chain.
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So he was being dragged along and he was about to be sucked in.
And all of the staff was watching this, literally about to see this man killed.
He said, I honestly don't know how it happened, but I was then free.
I didn't know this until later.
That day, maybe even around the same time, I had been down walking and praying.
I have a little bit of farming background that's part of the central Virginia story, very unsuccessful.
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But I also know that anytime you're horribly wrong.
I had been down walking and that just kind of popped into my mind.
I don't remember ever praying that previously.
It's not a common prayer that I would pray in the year since.
But at the time I was like, Lord, for everybody who's harvesting, protect them from the equipment and anything that would be a potential accident.
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And so it was really precious to be like, oh, well, I actually think there's a person alive today because at least in part because of that prayer.
It's incredibly empowering to know that God answers prayer, that God is interacting with you, with the people that are seeking your help through prayer.
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How do you balance the expectations, though, when a business owner comes to you?
I imagine there are times when they almost feel like this is like having a genie in a bottle and that they're just wanting the results that they want.
How do you manage that when you earnestly want to pray for God's will in their life, that you do want them to have success in their business?
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You do want this to happen, but this is not like rubbing a bottle and seeing a genie come out and granting wishes.
It would be a lot easier if it was.
It is a real thing that sometimes people are dealing with a business that's not potentially going as well as it should.
And they think, oh, well, maybe if I just hire prayer coverage, that's my Hail Mary.
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And whatever is the trouble with the business, it will be taken care of.
And unfortunately, that is not always what we see.
It is really beautiful when somebody is facing something where maybe the business is actually sound in its fundamentals, but there's just something that is almost like constricting it.
And it could just be a narcissistic boss.
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It could be that for whatever reason, there's something that is blocking.
Usually those are places where it's like, oh yeah, prayer coverage is probably going to work here pretty well.
If you're dealing with a business that's on life support already, those ones often we don't quite see the turnaround that we would like.
Having said that, we also have one client who probably for seven years before hiring us for every payroll was like, how are we going to get the money?
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We need to pray it in.
And so it's very fun then to see the Lord just keeps providing payroll by payroll.
It's amazing.
So it's not that there isn't any result.
It's more there are certain things that are going to be better handled maybe with prayer.
There was a beautiful book, Tyler Riggs Stevenson, I think, was the author's name.
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And it was called The World Is Not Ours To Save.
And that's one of the things that I have to remind myself regularly.
The world is not mine to save, but I get to serve the one whose it is.
And so that's my privilege and my joy.
It also doesn't mean that everything goes splendidly perfectly for everybody that I know and love, even though I wish it were true.
Amy, I'm sure that there are people listening who, because this is the first time that they've heard of such a concept of a prayer business, so to speak, it's still not sitting quite right with them.
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So they want to explore this further.
Where is the easiest place for people to find you online so that they can continue to look at this and grapple with it?
Our website, workplaceprayer.com, is one good place.
I have a podcast that I talk about prayer every day or six times a week, Make Prayer Beautiful.
For myself, I felt like I had such a need to try to understand prayer better.
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So these are short episodes, five to 10 minutes, and they are just me talking through, like, what have I been learning?
What have I been about prayer in the last day or two or week or something?
So that would be another possibility where you can just kind of get a sense of what does prayer even look like.
Early on, one of the first things that I had worked with in terms of praying was just trying to figure out what are some of these things that single sentence prayers that you could pray as you go about your day.
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And so with that, I can send you the link because I do think that it's helpful to say, here's something that is easy that we can just deal with quickly, and we can learn one single sentence every day for three weeks and be like, okay, that's actually changed my life in a little way.
That's fantastic.
I will definitely put links in the show notes at bleedingdaylight.net so that people can connect with you.
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People can go on a bit of an exploration of prayer, and hopefully they will be improving their prayer life, growing closer to God through that.
Amy, thank you so much for your conversation today, and thank you for what you're doing through Workplace Prayer.
Thank you for being an excellent podcast interviewer.
It was very good.
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Most of us struggle with prayer in one way or another.
Whether it's knowing how to pray or being able to set regular rhythms of prayer, many of us could do with a little help.
Today's guest has literally made it her business to pray for others and she can teach us all about growing in our practice of prayer.
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Raised in a home deeply committed to international missions, Amy Lykos has lived a life of spiritual dedication.
After experiencing a personal season of disconnection from prayer, she rediscovered her connection with God and now leads Workplace Prayer, passionate about helping others explore and deepen their prayer lives.
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A homeschooling advocate, mother of five, and someone who has navigated unique life experiences, Amy brings an authentic, enthusiastic perspective on faith, family, and spiritual growth.
I'm so pleased to have her as my guest today.
Amy, welcome to Bleeding Daylight.
Thank you so much.
It's my pleasure to be with you.
I love this idea of your ministry, of Workplace Prayer, and I'm looking forward to exploring it with you.
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But first, let's dig a little into your own story.
Tell me about the spiritual heritage that you were surrounded by as you grew up.
Yeah, I was so blessed.
I lived with my parents at the U.S. Center for World Mission.
They had a space where they had different missionaries in a fairly small, several block region.
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We just had this beautiful opportunity.
My dad was on staff and he would go and have morning prayer.
And I just remember being surrounded by godly people.
It was just a beautiful place.
And at that time, my mom realized that there were two main reasons why people left the mission field.
So, the number one reason was that they didn't get along with their team.
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And she thought, well, there's not much I could do about that.
That sounds like a personal problem.
But the second reason was because there wasn't an opportunity to teach their children.
So, they needed to either send children to boarding school or go off the mission field were usually the only options.
And she thought, well, I could do something about that.
I could actually send homeschool materials out to missionaries.
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And so, my parents started a business, Sunlight Curriculum, and then my dad soon joined my mom.
But because of his background in the mission field and working with missionaries, he thought, well, we should make sure that we always have prayer as part of our daily life, sunlight.
And so, I grew up with this idea that if you have a business that you should actually just pray for it every day.
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That's a normal thing.
It's part of your value system.
It was surprising to me then years later to realize that that wasn't what everybody thought.
I was going to say, I often speak to people who have been through some fairly traumatic upbringings and often ask them, when did you realize this was not normal?
Because they grow up in that setting.
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It's different for you.
You grew up in a place where prayer was very normal, where seeking God for business, for mission, for whatever is very, very normal.
When did you realize, hey, this is not normal.
Not everyone is doing this.
I didn't actually have a lot of experience in other businesses.
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When I graduated from college, I went to work with my parents because I'm happy to do literature.
I'm an English and humanities major.
So, I was like, the more books, the better.
I think, though, for me personally, I stepped away from prayer probably about eight years or so after I started working with my parents because it freaked me out.
I think just the idea that there were malevolent forces working against me and I wasn't really sure how to hear God's voice.
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It just felt really disorienting.
It wasn't that I completely stopped prayer.
It was more like, instead of going full throttle, I knew that I was stepping back and playing it safe.
But I also felt like, I don't know how not to play safe.
That's the only thing I know how to do.
I don't know how to actually be aggressive or intentional or really passionate about this.
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I tried once more a few years later.
I felt like within two or three weeks, I was going crazy.
Nobody likes to feel neurotic all the time.
So, I just stepped away again for a few more years.
That was kind of my prayer journey.
But then I guess I probably didn't realize that not everybody prayed for businesses until just a few years ago when I would tell people that I pray for businesses as my job.
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And they would kind of look at me and cock their heads like, is that a thing?
And so, that's probably about the time I've clued in.
Help me understand that departure from prayer because you're saying that you became aware that there were these forces that were against you.
Was it a case of fear of, hey, let's not poke the bear?
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Or was it more a case of, hey, look, I just don't know how to deal with this?
What was it for you that caused you to say, I need to step back from this?
Oh, that's a really beautiful question.
Personally, my husband and at the time, four of our sons, because we didn't have the fifth one yet, had moved to unimproved land in central Virginia.
Every day, we were dealing with things that we'd never faced before.
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So, whether it was tick infestations or poison ivy that went systemic head to toe, the snake that was in our kitchen wares, I mean, everything was, it felt like the world was trying to kill us every day.
And so, I knew enough about prayer to say, okay, I need to make sure that I'm praying protection over my family.
And then there was a day that I forgot and there was an accident or near accident that happened that day.
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And I remember that horrible rewind where you're like, I didn't pray this morning.
And at the time, instead of recognizing everybody is fine, nobody actually died, in my mind, I was like, I am human and therefore I am fallible and I will never be able to pray well enough to actually protect my family.
And therefore, I actually, I have to tap out because it freaks me out too much.
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It's kind of too much responsibility.
And it took me years before I had better perspective.
We can feel that the weight of the universe is pressing down on us and we forget to pray and it comes down to us.
How important is it for us to realize the enormity of God that he's got it, that whether we're stepping in and praying and prayer is important and prayer is effective and prayer has a place, but to realize that God is even bigger than all of that.
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Right.
So, that basically was the answer.
Some years later, I went to a conference and one of the speakers talked about how he would go into hospitals and just pray over all of the people.
I think he was a chaplain and had special access to go into maybe the heart attack ward.
And he said, if I had gone in expecting my prayer is going to make the difference between life and death for all of these people, I could never have done it.
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I would have become a basket case.
And it wasn't until really he said that, that I realized, oh, right, yeah, actually life and death, that's actually up to God.
So, good point.
It is interesting that we sometimes do take that on for ourselves or we look at someone else and we they're an amazing prayer warrior, that their prayers are effective.
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And we read in the scriptures that prayers of a righteous man availeth much, if you want to go to King James, but we think, well, that means that I'm not righteous because I don't get everything right.
How much do we need to actually realize, no, no, we're seen as righteous through Jesus.
Therefore, that's us, that our prayers can actually bring forward result.
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Yes.
And that is one of the really incredible teachings.
My business partner, Bob Perry taught me so much when I first started working with him.
That was one of my questions was like, I don't think I'm very good at prayer, but when I look around at everybody around me, even the people that I would consider to be the best, I remember asking one of them a question and she said, well, I'm no expert.
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And I kind of felt like, if you're not an expert, what hope is there for the rest of us?
Oh my goodness.
It was really beautiful when I asked him the question on a scale of one to 10, how good are you at prayer?
I felt like up until then I'd probably never met anybody who would have said higher than a four.
I mean, most of us would have been kind of like, can you get in the decimals?
Like, are we fractions here?
So it was precious when Bob said, well, I think I'm a 10 based on how much I've studied and how dedicated I've been to this topic.
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But he said, I think all of us would be a 10 in prayer because we're all God's children and He loves to hear from us.
I think that was very healing for me to say, oh, I'm already actually good at prayer wherever I am on the journey.
So I totally agree with what you were saying.
How do we start to take steps towards recognizing that we can be a 10 in prayer without having to be this amazing biblical scholar who knows everything and has seen everything and does all these amazing things?
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How do we take those first steps?
That's a beautiful question.
I think for me, the way that I, I guess, started taking steps is saying I need to be okay with doing things imperfectly.
So that was the first thing.
And so I had made these different cards where I would write a name of my family as the first line on the seven cards and then names of businesses and names of friends.
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And so I would pray through those every day.
And I had done this multiple times over the years and I would do it for about three days and then I'd miss a day and I'd be like, well, I'm clearly a failure at this.
I'm out.
Finally, I was like, I need to actually just give myself grace that if I miss a day, the day will come up again in a week.
Or I could do two days at once.
It's not going to take me hours.
Maybe I'll read through the list a little bit faster.
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But once my goal became more prayer this week than last week, or more prayer this month than last month, it gave me a slightly larger timescale to work with.
That was one of the things was just saying, have some grace for yourself.
But I also started to recognize that single sentence prayers were also going to be effective.
That I could wake up in the morning and say, hello, Lord, thank you.
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What adventure are we going to be on today?
Or be with me this day.
That would be enough.
Or if I was driving by an ambulance, I could say, Lord, somebody's day is not going the way that they wanted.
Please be with them.
It was really a large range though, of those kind of single sentence prayers that I didn't have to, as a busy mom, try to figure out where in my day am I going to set aside a couple hours to go and behave like a nun.
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No, I can actually just do these things really quickly in the moment.
And that three-second prayers are actually also effective.
And it's interesting you mention that scenario of seeing an ambulance go by.
And I certainly have done that myself.
And just stop for a second or so and be praying for that person.
How important is it to be asking God to make us aware of what's around us?
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That there is opportunity wherever we look.
And to sharpen our radar for those sorts of things.
How do we do that?
Oh, I love that question.
And some of it is actually just asking.
I mean, I think part of what the Lord loves is when we come with open hands and say, oh, Lord, I want more of you.
That is a beautiful way to describe it, to be able to say, I want my radar sharpened.
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I've also heard it said, the things that make you want to do a double take.
You see something, it's like, oh, oh.
Or another person would say, it's almost like there's a little highlight.
If you're reading in the scripture, sometimes it's almost like maybe you've highlighted your Bible, but it's almost like the Holy Spirit is highlighting it.
And you're like, that verse is just resonating in a totally new way.
When that happens, it's really fun to say, oh, okay, Lord, what are you wanting to speak about that?
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Or if you have somebody come to mind that you maybe haven't thought of in a year or five years, 15 years, then it's fun when they come to mind to say, oh, I bet they probably need a little bit of prayer right now.
And to just say, Lord, wherever they are, please bless them.
Then it almost becomes your entire life is like a little treasure hunt or an Easter egg hunt with the Lord, that there's just these little treasures that he has hidden all over your life.
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And you get to go and gather them up.
And I mean, there's no penalty if you don't gather them all.
It's more just like always bonuses, all these extra gifts.
You mentioned there reading through the scripture and seeing God highlight various things.
And obviously, if we believe that the Bible is the living word, that we should be reading it, expecting to hear back from God, how important is it that we start to read it in a posture of prayer, knowing that we don't just get to read this for information, but we get to talk to the author while we're going.
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LS Yeah.
A few years ago, I was listening to a lecture, or I guess it was probably an interview with Deanna McCollum.
And he said something very similar, where he said, most of us do just read the Bible for information.
But then there's another layer where you could read it for inspiration, where you're like, okay, I'm waiting for the Lord to say something to me, like, okay, what's the thing that's being activated?
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And then he said, there's another layer where you can read it for impartation, where in, let's say, the book of Proverbs, where it says, and then you say to wisdom, you are my sister.
He said, I literally spent 10 years where if I read that passage, I would say, wisdom, you are my sister, and he would put action to the scriptures.
I thought this was amazing.
And I mentioned that at one point to Bob Perry.
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And Bob was like, oh, well, I use the scriptures for intercession.
And I was kind of like, okay, I've never heard of that.
What are you even talking about?
And he said, oh, yeah, when I was doing research into the great prayer people of the past, one of the things that all of them would do over time, they would figure out, oh, prayer is powerful, and the scripture is powerful.
So if we combine them, it's extra powerful.
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He said, I will just read and say, okay, as I'm reading the scriptures, what are some of the verses that I'm being invited to pray on behalf of someone else, or on behalf of myself.
So when we lead prayer calls, that is the format that we ask people to do that when they come that they say their name and where they're calling from.
And then they read a verse or two of scripture and then pray something out of that as response.
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And sometimes we get really overwhelmed with just the reading of the scripture.
And it's kind of like, okay, now I'm kind of weepy just reading it.
So amen.
And that is also really precious because we know that the word is living and active.
You mentioned that you stepped away from intensive prayer for a number of years before stepping back in.
And we do go through periods where things do seem a little bit dry, sometimes even going through a dark night of the soul.
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How do we stay connected in prayer?
Obviously, it's going to look very different.
But how do we stay connected in prayer when we are going through that darkness, through that feeling of disconnection, when we feel that God is not speaking to us?
In my case, I wouldn't say that I had stepped away from it because of a dark night of the soul.
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I stepped away because I was traumatized from all the things trying to kill me.
And just also from my own ignorance.
I know from having read different things from people who have dealt with the dark night of the soul.
I think my favorite description comes from Corrie ten Boom because she was somebody who I admire very much, survived the Holocaust, and has beautiful, beautiful stories in some of her books.
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One of the things that she said was that years after the Holocaust, she had been traveling the world for some years, telling her story and praying for people for reconciliation and deliverance and all these things.
She said there was a time, I think she was in a city in Germany, and she said it was like, I suddenly couldn't hear God.
And it was very disorienting for her because she had a very vibrant walk of faith.
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The picture that came to her later was that we know in the scriptures that God talks about how He's kind of like the mother bird and we're like the little chicks that are hiding under His wings.
And so she said that actually was the picture that I clung to.
That even though it seemed really dark, it was because the Holy Spirit had come and was hovering as a bird and had just settled.
And so I was tucked under His wing.
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I was actually closer to His heart.
I don't know that I personally have gone through a dark night of the soul where I just actually couldn't hear from God, but I think if I was going through it, that would be what I would imagine.
And I think that that's actually probably accurate, is that we're actually just so close.
And so to say the truth is that I actually am close to God still.
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The truth is that my sheep hear my voice, that this is what God says, that I actually do always have the option to come to the Lord.
So even if I don't hear Him at the moment, I can still trust that He actually is there.
You mentioned a moment ago about a prayer call, and I'm guessing that that's part of the ministry that you're part of, Workplace Prayer.
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Maybe you can draw us a bit of a picture of what Workplace Prayer involves, because it's probably a very foreign concept for a lot of people, that there's this prayer ministry that works as a business, so to speak.
Tell me, how is this made up?
How does it work?
We are a team.
At this point, we have about two dozen people.
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We're both a business and a nonprofit.
Anyone who wants to partner with us financially, we are happy to do that.
And then in any given week, we have somewhere between 100 and 120 man-hours of prayer coverage.
As much as possible, we like that to be partnership prayer or what we call friendship prayer, where we will have two or three intercessors come together over the phone for about an hour and just pray together.
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There's a pretty obscure scripture that says if one can put a thousand to flight to 10,000, so I think there's a real multiplication effect that can happen when you have more than one person praying.
As much as possible, we really like to have our people pray more than just individually, though we do also have some individual prayer time as well.
And I'm sure that there are people who say, paying for prayer, that just doesn't sound right.
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That doesn't sit right with me.
What would you say to those people?
Oh, no, it's a really legitimate question.
We actually have a booklet on our website, The Ethics of Paying for Prayer, because it is a really foreign concept, especially if you go back to, let's say, the Reformation, where you have Martin Luther, who's like, stop paying for indulgences.
You don't get to just buy some way of getting out of jail free for your sins.
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I think in some ways, there can be almost like an internal sense of like, is this pretty similar to that?
I think what's helpful to recognize is that when Jesus sent out the disciples and he said, freely you've received, freely give, all of the disciples were going out and they were not charging anybody for the gift of God.
But when they would go into a community, they were supposed to have their room and their board, and then they would just pray a blessing over that house.
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So there actually was an exchange that was going on.
I think to make it maybe more modern context, we would say something like, you're really just paying us for our time, because we also need to eat.
This is actually our job.
You're not paying for the Holy Spirit.
There's also a really interesting little story in the Old Testament when Saul loses his donkeys.
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He and his servant are going around looking, where are the donkeys?
And the servant says, oh, the man of God lives in that community over there, but why don't we go and ask?
And Saul says, well, I don't have any money.
And the servant says, oh, well, I do.
And so clearly at some point, besides paying for the Levites and such, there was the idea, if you wanted something from the Lord, you actually needed to pay the person who had been figuring out how to hear God's voice on your behalf.
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They were somehow okay with that.
So I think we maybe are a little bit more squeamish today in something that the ancient Israelites would have been like, oh no, that's totally, it makes sense.
We are really happy with paying for our pastors, for a worship leader, for various other people that work in so many different Christian ministries.
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And yet there's still this thing where we say, oh, paying for prayer.
So do you think it's just that it's not a common thing that we haven't sat down to say, well, these are just people who are also working in ministry.
These are people who also need to eat, as you say, who need to pay their bills, and we're not paying for a favorable outcome from God.
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We're just paying for someone to seek God on our behalf.
Yes, I love that analogy.
And one of the earlier things that I had read was talking about Mission India, which is an organization that basically grow churches in India through conversion and children's ministries and such.
And when they first got started, somebody asked the founder something very similar, like, would you consider instead of raising money to hire a fundraiser, would you raise money to hire an intercessor and just see how that goes?
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And the founder thought, well, that's a really interesting idea.
So he had an idea in his mind of how much money he was hoping a fundraiser would be able to make for them.
He was like, well, Lord, you know that this is kind of my intention, or this is what I would hope for.
And so if I hire an intercessor instead, then I'm just curious to see what the result will be.
And it ended up, they had donations of three times or something like that, what he had originally expected.
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And so he was kind of like, sold, like, let's make sure we always have a paid intercessor on staff, because that is going to be so helpful then.
And so they have continued that, that they still have a paid intercessor on staff with Mission India.
I remember talking to their current intercessor, and she said, I think sometimes that we're still riding the wave of intercession of that first intercessor that they hired.
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And that's just a beautiful story to me.
As far as workplace prayer goes, help me understand a little bit more of the actual dynamics of how it works.
Are we talking about individuals who are in a workplace and they're wanting prayer?
Or is it business owners?
Or is it a mixture?
Who are the sorts of people that come to you and say, I really need my endeavor to be bathed in prayer?
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Oh, I love that question.
We have a pretty wide range.
At one point, we were looking over our list.
And we're like, oh, we actually cover all of the seven spheres of influence.
So that was awesome.
And then we have everything from people who are over large organizations.
One of our clients at one point was one of the executives at one of the big four, and then he was headhunted into another role.
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So we're ranging from like very, very large organizations, like executives in those all the way down to solopreneurs.
We have serial entrepreneurs.
And then we also have a couple of families that were like, we just actually want covering for our family.
It's a little bit awkward because we say that our name is Workplace Prayer, but the reality is we're not actually just covering business.
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Because we recognize that business owners are also people, whether you're an owner, or whether you're an employee, whether you work in the government, the reality is we all actually just have need.
If you've ever tried to find friends to pray for you, it could be really difficult.
Speaking from experience, I know about this.
And so in some ways, it was like, well, rather than trying to find friends who would be willing to be your prayer shield, and then tell them how to pray or train them in prayer, that is in some ways the function that we serve.
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You can hire us, and we have found the people, we've trained them, they have good practice.
And so I guess that would be maybe my answer is that the people come from a wide range, including some are in ministry.
And yeah, it's a lovely mix.
You are daily going into the battle of spiritual forces.
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How important is it that you have prayer covering that people are praying for you and the others that are part of workplace prayer?
Oh, I don't know if anybody's asked me that.
But that is an awesome question.
It's absolutely vital.
So both me and my business partner are part of workplace prayer as clients.
And then we also have a few people who have reached out to us over the years who have said, I'm actually just praying for you.
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And it's almost like the Lord has put a burden on them.
We have them praying for us.
And then we also have a team of what we call advocates who pray both for our clients and then for us as an organization as well.
So in some ways, it feels very much like we have concentric circles of prayer, because it is actually a battle.
You're exactly right.
What have been some of the testimonies that you've heard from people that you've had the opportunity to pray for?
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A couple of my favorite ones.
One of our clients, when he came to us, we send out an intake form for everyone who's joining.
And he had filled his out, like, what is it that you're hoping to see the Lord would do?
And he filled his out.
And he said every one of those felt like Mount Everest to me.
And then over the course of about a year, it was like the Lord took that as a checklist and was like, yep, yep, yep, yep.
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And so it was so fun when the Lord does that.
He doesn't always, I'm not saying that his experience will be your experience, but it's really beautiful to see that that is a possibility.
Another client, he was one of our very first ones.
And when he started, he was paying us very generously.
And I was like, Lord, I would like him to get 100x return for every dollar that he's given.
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There was a dollar figure that I wanted.
And I asked him later, I was like, so did you get about this much?
Was that the increase in your sales last year?
And he was like, oh, actually, I think it was about 141 times.
So it was a big, big increase that he had gotten.
Another example, one of our farmers, his staff manager was out working with the potato harvester and somehow got caught in the potato harvesting chain.
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So he was being dragged along and he was about to be sucked in.
And all of the staff was watching this, literally about to see this man killed.
He said, I honestly don't know how it happened, but I was then free.
I didn't know this until later.
That day, maybe even around the same time, I had been down walking and praying.
I have a little bit of farming background that's part of the central Virginia story, very unsuccessful.
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But I also know that anytime you're horribly wrong.
I had been down walking and that just kind of popped into my mind.
I don't remember ever praying that previously.
It's not a common prayer that I would pray in the year since.
But at the time I was like, Lord, for everybody who's harvesting, protect them from the equipment and anything that would be a potential accident.
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And so it was really precious to be like, oh, well, I actually think there's a person alive today because at least in part because of that prayer.
It's incredibly empowering to know that God answers prayer, that God is interacting with you, with the people that are seeking your help through prayer.
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How do you balance the expectations, though, when a business owner comes to you?
I imagine there are times when they almost feel like this is like having a genie in a bottle and that they're just wanting the results that they want.
How do you manage that when you earnestly want to pray for God's will in their life, that you do want them to have success in their business?
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You do want this to happen, but this is not like rubbing a bottle and seeing a genie come out and granting wishes.
It would be a lot easier if it was.
It is a real thing that sometimes people are dealing with a business that's not potentially going as well as it should.
And they think, oh, well, maybe if I just hire prayer coverage, that's my Hail Mary.
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And whatever is the trouble with the business, it will be taken care of.
And unfortunately, that is not always what we see.
It is really beautiful when somebody is facing something where maybe the business is actually sound in its fundamentals, but there's just something that is almost like constricting it.
And it could just be a narcissistic boss.
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It could be that for whatever reason, there's something that is blocking.
Usually those are places where it's like, oh yeah, prayer coverage is probably going to work here pretty well.
If you're dealing with a business that's on life support already, those ones often we don't quite see the turnaround that we would like.
Having said that, we also have one client who probably for seven years before hiring us for every payroll was like, how are we going to get the money?
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We need to pray it in.
And so it's very fun then to see the Lord just keeps providing payroll by payroll.
It's amazing.
So it's not that there isn't any result.
It's more there are certain things that are going to be better handled maybe with prayer.
There was a beautiful book, Tyler Riggs Stevenson, I think, was the author's name.
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And it was called The World Is Not Ours To Save.
And that's one of the things that I have to remind myself regularly.
The world is not mine to save, but I get to serve the one whose it is.
And so that's my privilege and my joy.
It also doesn't mean that everything goes splendidly perfectly for everybody that I know and love, even though I wish it were true.
Amy, I'm sure that there are people listening who, because this is the first time that they've heard of such a concept of a prayer business, so to speak, it's still not sitting quite right with them.
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So they want to explore this further.
Where is the easiest place for people to find you online so that they can continue to look at this and grapple with it?
Our website, workplaceprayer.com, is one good place.
I have a podcast that I talk about prayer every day or six times a week, Make Prayer Beautiful.
For myself, I felt like I had such a need to try to understand prayer better.
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So these are short episodes, five to 10 minutes, and they are just me talking through, like, what have I been learning?
What have I been about prayer in the last day or two or week or something?
So that would be another possibility where you can just kind of get a sense of what does prayer even look like.
Early on, one of the first things that I had worked with in terms of praying was just trying to figure out what are some of these things that single sentence prayers that you could pray as you go about your day.
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And so with that, I can send you the link because I do think that it's helpful to say, here's something that is easy that we can just deal with quickly, and we can learn one single sentence every day for three weeks and be like, okay, that's actually changed my life in a little way.
That's fantastic.
I will definitely put links in the show notes at bleedingdaylight.net so that people can connect with you.
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People can go on a bit of an exploration of prayer, and hopefully they will be improving their prayer life, growing closer to God through that.
Amy, thank you so much for your conversation today, and thank you for what you're doing through Workplace Prayer.
Thank you for being an excellent podcast interviewer.
It was very good.
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