How Scientology Hides Its Past In Nuclear-Proof Vaults - Scientology Secrets #18 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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SPEAKER_00 (00:26):
Hey guys.
Welcome to another.
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I can hear you.

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I had to turn the volume down on the um the video.
I think uh we had uh MitchBrisker uh cut that video
together and then uh Jeff Levindid the music, and I think his
his music is a little hot, so Ineed to turn it down a little
bit.

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It's all good.

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So now my my volume is all jammed up here.
Um there you go.

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That sounds good.

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Check, check, check, check, check, check, check.
Oh, I was just in Claire's neadmind.
Welcome to Blow for Good,Scientology Exposed.
I'm Mark Headley.
This is my lovely wife Claire.
And um, yeah, we've got a goodvideo for you guys today.
Yes.
We did um we did a fit a video afew weeks ago and we covered the
international Scientologyheadquarters in Gilman Hot

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Springs, California.
And um, we thought it would befun if we did a tour of all of
their secret bases around thewhole United States, or mainly
on the West Coast.
Um, and um yeah, so we're gonnado that today.
We've we've got a little bit ofa new format um that we're gonna

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try for a little while.

SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
Yep.

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Which is we're gonna do a video.
And instead of trying to do thevideo and then squeeze the QA
into that video, the video thatwe do this week, we'll do a QA
about that video next week.

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Yes.

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Okay, and that's how we did the intbass one.
We did a video, and then nextweek we did QA.
So it that it just gives us alittle bit more time to do the
actual content, and then thenext week, you guys can have all
your questions rounded up andyou can jam them in there.
And um, and it's also easier toask questions after you've
watched the video.
So then all the replay crew andall those people can get a

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chance to see the video and thenbe able to come up with a
comment.

SPEAKER_01 (02:16):
Yeah, though people can put their questions in the
chat today, and Clara will keeptrack of those too.
So any we don't get to thisweek, we will address next week.

SPEAKER_00 (02:26):
Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 (02:26):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (02:27):
Sounds good.
We'll see, we'll see how itworks.
Um, as always, um, if youcomment on the video today,
live, we're gonna do a giveawayat the end.
We're still gonna do that.

SPEAKER_01 (02:40):
We are, yes, indeed.

SPEAKER_00 (02:42):
Claire loves her giveaway.
She won't she won't let me notdo a giveaway.

SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
Well, I want to say thank you to excuse me, thank
you to everyone who has beensubmitting fake Navy Davy
pictures.
We've been thoroughly enjoyingthe many submissions, so it's
not too late.
Uh, we have a few days left ofOctober.
Hal Halloween is on Friday,yeah, which is the last day of

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October.
So on our next live, we will beannouncing October's winners,
which we have some really,really good.

SPEAKER_00 (03:13):
We do have some good ones, guys.
So you're gonna have to shoothigh.
You're gonna have to shoot highbecause we've got some we've got
some we've got some killers inthere in terms of uh and you
know what?

SPEAKER_01 (03:24):
It's just to have a bring a little bit of levity to
a dark topic of Scientology.
You know, what what can we say?
We like to have a little bit offun and we enjoy having humor in
our lives.

SPEAKER_00 (03:36):
I like to have a lot of fun.
Okay.
What's with this little bit?

SPEAKER_01 (03:40):
Oh, yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_00 (03:42):
All things in moderation?
I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 (03:44):
Okay then.

SPEAKER_00 (03:46):
Okay.
Um, yeah, so let's see.
Uh, do we want to do this thingwhere we uh see where
everybody's coming from?
I'm almost a little bit combdiscombobulated over here
because I was doing uh trying toget that intro in here.
And oh, here we go.
Stars.
There we go.
Let's jam through these realquick.

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Gotta get to where I can seethem.
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Anita, happy Sunday from theNetherlands.

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The Netherlands are just representing Tremonon.

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Good evening from Netherlands.

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Man, we love it.

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It's like a Allie, hi all from England, my home
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Hi, John.

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Mancunians.

SPEAKER_00 (05:47):
Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna uh bail on those because
we've got just a gazillionpeople already in.

SPEAKER_01 (05:53):
Love it.
Thank you for joining us,everybody, this fine Sunday.

SPEAKER_00 (05:58):
Okay.
So bases.
Get this comment off of there.
Okay.
Um here we go, right here.
Skadoosh.
Secret Scientology, secretbases.

SPEAKER_01 (06:10):
There we go, of which there are many.

SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
There are a lot.
Um, in terms of secret basesgoes, I think they might have
the most secret bases of anyother cult.

SPEAKER_01 (06:21):
Yeah, they they I'm sure.
I mean, you know what's funny?
We didn't actually talk withJohn Delyn about secret bases
when we did the Mormon Storiespodcast.
That might be an interestingfollow-up conversation if we
have one.
So, do Mormons have secretbases?
I don't actually know the answerto that.

SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
I doubt it.
I doubt it.
This is a lot of secrets for onefor one little group.

SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
Yeah, yep, it sure is.

SPEAKER_00 (06:43):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (06:44):
Scientology tends to outcult all other cults.

SPEAKER_00 (06:46):
So okay, so Scientology, secret bases.
Now, why do they have secretbases?

SPEAKER_01 (06:53):
Because they have secrets.

SPEAKER_00 (06:54):
Yeah, that's a good point.
If you have secrets, you need tohave a base to keep those
secrets.

SPEAKER_01 (06:59):
That's right.
And you need to have locationsto keep your people.

SPEAKER_00 (07:03):
That's right.
More secrets.
More bases.

SPEAKER_01 (07:06):
Yes, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 (07:07):
Um, okay.
So the bases that we the basethat we talked about last week,
oh, look at you're on boththings.
Double Claire.
Um the the base that we talkedabout last week was the
Scientology InternationalHeadquarters in Gillen Hot
Springs.
Now that's a secret base.
Um but it's really there's a lotof people at that property that

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are doing things or busy work oryou know, used to be management,
all that thing.
Now, these bases there are veryfew people at.
There's only one of these secretbases that has more than like 10
people in it.
Um, and that is uh we'll get toit.
But why do they have these?
Well, these are the Church ofSpiritual Technology bases.

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And what they do at these basesis they have all of L.
Ron Hubbard's works archived.
And if it's a written word, it'sarchived on stainless steel
plates.
So if you have a book that's 400pages, there are 400 plates that

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uh represent that book.

SPEAKER_01 (08:19):
With every word etched into the plate.

SPEAKER_00 (08:21):
Yeah, the stainless steel plate, it's like um, it's
just a stainless steel plate.
It's a in the shape of uh uhit's a letter, like a letter
size or whatever kind of page,and it has the book, the text of
that page of the book etchedinto it, laser etched into the
stainless steel.

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And then what they do um withthose is they put them in these
boxes.
So like that is probably that'sprobably a book right there, or
a part of a book, or a bunch ofthe stainless steel um pages
stacked in this one thing.
Mark doesn't know about it.
It's connected to Mark doesn'tknow.

SPEAKER_01 (09:02):
Catherine, Catherine commented that there's another
um secret property, and Clarasaid she didn't have that on the
list.
So we might have to do a parttwo potentially.

SPEAKER_00 (09:12):
Oh, well, it's all I like how she didn't does she say
where it is.
It's fine.

SPEAKER_01 (09:17):
We'll keep going.
We're good.

SPEAKER_00 (09:18):
Okay.
So they put all those books ontostainless steel pages, and now
they have gold records and theyhave a record player in these
vaults.
That when you when you stumbleupon one of these vaults, the
whole idea is that you are goingto be able to restart
Scientology because you've nowfound all of its materials.

SPEAKER_02 (09:41):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (09:42):
And you could just start it all over again.
Because after the apocalypse,people are not gonna want
precious metals to use to tradeand and and uh buy things with.
They're gonna want to read themand listen to it.

SPEAKER_01 (09:55):
And their number one priority is going to be once
more hearing L.
Ron Hubbard's voice droning onin lectures.
Yeah.
And they actually had one ofDavid Miscavige had one of those
hand-cranked lecture players.

SPEAKER_00 (10:09):
It's called a record player.

SPEAKER_01 (10:11):
Yeah, record player.

SPEAKER_00 (10:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:13):
In Bonnieview.
So you could try it.
But the funny part to me is thatif you don't crank at the right
speed, it you you know, hisvoice will start drooling even
more than it ordinarily does.

SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
Drooling?

SPEAKER_01 (10:26):
Yeah, like that's drooling.

SPEAKER_00 (10:29):
Oh, okay.
I think that's droning.

SPEAKER_01 (10:32):
Droning, drooling, whatever.
It's drooling, it's far moreexpressive because it does sound
like he's literally drooling.

SPEAKER_00 (10:39):
Okay, here are the stainless steel plates.
That other thing actually, well,no.
I mean, these are the stainlesssteel plates.
They go in to these littlethings.
That these are part of thetitanium capsules that the
records and the plates andeverything goes into these same
things.
I think they've made it sothere's a form factor, how it
fits.

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But here's the stainless steelplates.
Um, and you can see this is umone of Hubbard's bulletins or
policy letters.
I can't, it looks like abulletin, and it's etched into
the steel.
And then you can see this is theDianetics book.

SPEAKER_01 (11:12):
Oh, yeah.
No, that one's an HDO policyletter.

SPEAKER_00 (11:15):
There you go.
And then here's some of the goldrecords and how they make those.
And um, and so that is what goesinto them.
Now, the main placetraditionally that made these
was this base right here.

SPEAKER_02 (11:32):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
So this is Running Springs or Twin Peaks,
California.
And this is sort of the main CSTbase.

SPEAKER_02 (11:42):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (11:42):
So they have the facilities where they produce
the gold records and theyproduce the stainless steel
plates, and they do all that atthis location.
That's right.
And um, I was talking to Mitch,and we'll probably do a video
about it.
Uh, it'll probably come outduring Thanksgiving or Christmas
time.
But um they shifted all of theuh a lot of the manufacturing of

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these vaults, they shift shiftedit to Golden Air Productions to
the imp base.
So they're assembling where theyused to manufacture things at
Golden Air Productions, they'renow manufacturing these titanium
capsules because they don't sellthose.
So it's not something they'rethey they're making it, but

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they're not selling it.

SPEAKER_01 (12:28):
Yeah.
So this is and I think it'sworth mentioning that at some
point um Church of SpiritualTechnology had completed at
least all of the books, but thenDavid Miscavige redid all the
books.
So of course, all those had tobe trashed and completely redone

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at great expense.

SPEAKER_00 (12:49):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Every time David Miscavige hasrevised or put out a new edition
of, he's changed all of thosethings.
Now, this is you'll this willmake a lot more sense at the end
about how um how consequentialthis thing that he keeps doing
is.

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But essentially, they've takenall of L Ron Hubbard's books,
all of his lectures, all of hiswritings, they etched them into
steel, they uh uh printed theminto gold records, they did all
of that.
And then put them in timecapsules, then put them in time
capsules in multiple locationsin all these vaults.
These titanium time capsules,these the the things that

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they're putting these things in,they're hermetically sealed.
Like there's I think there'sargon gas inside of them.
So it doesn't deteriorate thewreck the gold or the stainless.
They don't rust, they don'tthere's it, it's inert inside of
the capsules.
And there's uh it these the thethe vaults that these time

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capsules, it takes hundreds andhundreds of all these uh things
of plates and these things ofall these different things and
they're do they have tobasically rip all those apart
and take all this stuff out,melt it down and redo it all.
It's insane when he changes itbecause now it doesn't match,

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right?
Because now the new version isthe correct version verified
that it was funny duddy'soriginal words.
Okay, so this is in Twin Peaks,California.
This is also coincidentally oneof two CST properties that
Shelley has been documented tobe at.

SPEAKER_01 (14:39):
Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (14:40):
This is the first one that she was sent to when
she was banished uh from theinternational headquarters and
from from uh RTC.
She was banished to Twin Peaks,and that's this location right
here.

SPEAKER_01 (14:53):
And and we definitely know that of the the
now 20 years that she's beenbanished, yeah, the maj most of
her time was absolutely spent atthis location.

SPEAKER_00 (15:04):
Yes.
And running springs uh or twinpeaks, it's about I want to say
it's about a half an hour fromBig Bear.
Maybe a little less, maybe alittle more, depending on
traffic or whatever.
And this is on the I think it'sactually called the Twin Peaks
Highway.

SPEAKER_01 (15:20):
I guess it's or um Rim of the World.

SPEAKER_00 (15:24):
Rim of the World, yeah, Rim of the World Highway.

SPEAKER_01 (15:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (15:27):
Um, and it is near uh Big Bear and um I want to say
it's San Bernardino County.
Yes, I think it's San BernardinoCounty.

SPEAKER_01 (15:35):
And it's also worth mentioning that of all the
people in Scientology, there isa very small percentage, like
what, probably two and a halfpercent or less, that know where
this property is.

SPEAKER_00 (15:49):
Even if you were at the international headquarters,
you were not your securityclearances didn't allow you to
know where this property was.

SPEAKER_01 (15:58):
That's right.

SPEAKER_00 (15:58):
The CST bases, the the um Scientology members for
sure are not told where theyare.

SPEAKER_01 (16:06):
That's right.

SPEAKER_00 (16:06):
The C org members for sure are not told where they
are, the general ones.
International management, noteven told.
No, very um select executives inRTC, IAS, and CST know these
locations.
And I was told some of the CSTstaff don't even know or have

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been to the other CST bases.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (16:32):
And in fact, you just reminded me of a really
ironic fact that I hadn'tthought of in a long time, which
is that Shelly Miscavige foryears had to be the person to
approve anyone to know exactlywhere this location was.

SPEAKER_00 (16:49):
Yeah.
Ironic.

SPEAKER_01 (16:50):
Ironic.

SPEAKER_00 (16:51):
She ends up being in one of those locations for the
rest of time.

SPEAKER_01 (16:54):
Ironic.

SPEAKER_00 (16:55):
Okay, so yeah, so this is the main, uh this is
what I would I would considerthe main church's spiritual
technology base.
And like we said, they'rethey're responsible for
archiving all of Scientology'sum materials, all of El Ron
Hubbard's original materials andputting them into these vaults.

SPEAKER_01 (17:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (17:18):
Okay, now this one, this base I have been to.

SPEAKER_01 (17:21):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (17:22):
And I actually accidentally went to Running
Springs one time by totalaccident.
When we went up to Big Bear.
Do you do you remember when wewent up to Big Bear and we took
Jupiter with us?
We it was in the early, like Ithink it was in '93 or '94,
whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (17:39):
While we were still in?

SPEAKER_00 (17:40):
Yeah, when everybody went up for like a weekend or
something.

SPEAKER_01 (17:43):
I remember I remember that very well.

SPEAKER_00 (17:45):
Okay.
Well, I set up a bunch of uhDavid Miscavige's audiovisual
equipment at his um at hiswhatever it was, hotel or
whatever they had up their cabinor whatever it was.
And um so when the everybodyleft, I stayed the the the next
day and brought packed up allthe equipment and all the

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equipment that we had set up inthere was our equipment.
So I took it all.
I took out his Nintendo uh NES.
He was a big Mario.
Him and the uh other executiveslike to play Mario Kart.
That was the their big jam.
That was their big bust bust andloose activity.
Drinking some drinking somebooze and playing Mario Kart.

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Anyway, um, if you see wherethis highway is right here,
there's a main highway that runsadjacent to the property.
And the CST guys would sometimescome to the base.

SPEAKER_02 (18:41):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (18:41):
And they had this very, very distinct uh truck
that they had.
It was a Ford F-250, and it waskind of like a turquoisey color.
And it was an exact, youcouldn't, there was not another
truck that looked like thistruck.
It was all blinged out.

SPEAKER_01 (18:56):
They also had a very dis this the staff from this
property or from all of CST hadit also had a very distinctive
uniform.
It was like maroon kind of likea more it was like a pale pink
shirt with like a uh burgundybrownish kind of pants.

SPEAKER_00 (19:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (19:13):
And it, I mean, you could spot them from a mile
away.

SPEAKER_00 (19:16):
Yes, if they were at the base and you saw that truck
or you saw somebody in thisuniform, you'd be like, oh,
these are those are CST people.
And we didn't know where theycame from and we didn't know
where they were going to.

SPEAKER_01 (19:26):
No, in fact, in the early 90s, for a period of time,
the staff from this propertywould come to the base every
weekend to do their study.
And I would supervise them whilethey were doing their key to
life course, which is uh, youknow, the course at where you
learned grammar and small commonwords, but they would always

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come and we had no idea, webarely knew their names, we had
no idea where they came from.
They just kind of swooped in,did their study, and swooped
out.

SPEAKER_00 (19:54):
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, when I was coming backfrom Big Bear, um, I needed to
take Jupiter out to go to thebathroom.
And I pulled off the highwaysomewhere along this stretch of
the road.
And I was giving Mac um Jupiterwas uh go to the bathroom, and I
saw that truck drive by.

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And then I looked and I saw allthe stuff, the buildings and
stuff, and I was like, oh, thisis where CSD is.
And I made sure that when thetruck drove by, they didn't see
it was me.
Anyway.
Okay, this property I have beento.

SPEAKER_01 (20:32):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (20:33):
Per purposely.

SPEAKER_01 (20:34):
Purposely.
With none other than JohnSweeney.

SPEAKER_00 (20:38):
There's a there's a an English journalist named John
Sweeney, and he was writing abook called The Church of Fear.
And um, as part of that, hewanted to take a trip to this
CST property, and so he flewinto Colorado.
Did he stay?
He stayed in did he stay with usor did he?
He did.

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He stayed with us, and then wedrove down in my work van.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (21:04):
My remote subtle, which had your logo and no, I
don't think it had the logo onit.

SPEAKER_00 (21:10):
I'm tired in the video, it's just a white van.

SPEAKER_01 (21:13):
Really?

SPEAKER_00 (21:13):
Yeah, I think it was when we switched vans.

SPEAKER_01 (21:16):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (21:16):
And we hadn't wrapped up.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (21:18):
You you probably were like, let's take this other
van.

SPEAKER_00 (21:20):
Yeah, let's take the van that doesn't have my company
name all over.

SPEAKER_01 (21:25):
Good idea.
Good thinking.

SPEAKER_00 (21:26):
Anyway, we drove.
It was a it was nearlyimpossible to find this place
because there's no GPS, there'sno maps, there's no nothing when
you get out here.
And there's no people either.
So you can't like just ask,like, hey, does any have you
been to the Scientology secretbase that's around here?

SPEAKER_01 (21:43):
Yeah, and how how many hours south of here was it?
Like four or five hours.

SPEAKER_00 (21:48):
Uh at least.

SPEAKER_01 (21:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (21:49):
At least it was a lot.

SPEAKER_01 (21:51):
In the middle of nowhere.

SPEAKER_00 (21:52):
Yeah.
So we drove to this base.
Yes.
We drove down to this base.
We went, we spent the whole daytrying to find the damn thing.
And then we found it.
We did the we've I videoed itall.
Of course.
And then he made it into atrailer for his book.
And it's called the Church ofFear trailer on YouTube.

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We'll put a link in thedescription.
Um, also, there is a goodarticle from Tony Ortega on the
Underground Bunker where hecovers just more information,
basic info about all thesedifferent places and you know
what they do and the all thatgood happy hoo-ha.
So we'll put a link to that inthe description as well.

SPEAKER_02 (22:32):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (22:33):
Okay.
So we went out there and um andwe called, like, he's like, hey,
this is John Sweeney.
I'd like to take a tour, youknow, or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (22:42):
And weren't you like on a dirt road in the middle of
nowhere?
There was nothing but a pushbutton and a gate.

SPEAKER_00 (22:48):
Yeah.
With like you see it all in thetrailer.
It's actually kind of cool.
But but we were, I mean, therewere cat, we were driving
through cow pastures.
It was it was a lot.
It was a lot.
And um anyway, the best part ofit is that John Sweeney's like,
it'll be fine, it'll be fine,it'll be fine, it'll be fine.

SPEAKER_01 (23:06):
Meanwhile, I'm at home with our two.
I think at that time we all wewere on had two kids, and I was
like, oh, terrified.
I I'm like, I hope they'rethey're okay, that they make it
back, that there's no nonsense.
There's a whole list of thingsthat can go wrong.
I'm I'm a worry wart at heart.

SPEAKER_00 (23:22):
Yeah, so we went to this, we went there, we rang the
bell, and they it just went,they just hung up uh on us,
basically.
And then um, and then we droveto the nearest town and we
stayed in a hotel.
And at two o'clock in themorning, um John was getting

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calls, just his phone just cameup all right during the night,
waking him up.
Uh on the room phone.
On the room phone.
Somebody kept calling his roomin the middle of the night.
And for some reason, because Ididn't really identify myself or
say anything, I don't think theyknew who I was, because I didn't
say anything.

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He he was the only one whotalked into the thing.
And um nobody did anything in myroom.
But then that morning when wewere heading back to Colorado,
we stopped at a restaurant, andthe restaurant was empty.
And there was like, let's say,50 seats, you know, 20, 30
booths everywhere.
And John and I were sitting atthis one booth, and this guy

(24:27):
comes in and he sits in thebooth right behind us, and we're
like, There's 30 booths in here.
Why do you gotta sit next to us?
Yep.
And the whole time we weretalking, he was just like
listening and he was piping inin the middle in the middle of
our conversation.
He just he'd add, like, oh, Ilike that soccer team, or you
know, whatever while we weretalking about stuff.

(24:48):
Real subtle, like.
And then when we got in the carto drive back to Colorado, he
followed us, followed us forlike an hour on the way back.
Anyway, John wrote about allthis in his book, The Church of
Fear, and you can watch some ofthis in the uh Church of Fear
trailer.
And um, this is Trementina Basein Trementina, New Mexico.

(25:09):
And if you look in thesepictures, this the the picture
on the right um is just the roadthat leads up to this vault
entrance.
And then in the middle, you seethat they basically build this
structure onto the mountain.
And this is where this is whereyou have your kitchen and you

(25:30):
have all your stuff, uh, yourbathroom, your bedrooms, uh, you
know, offices, all that is inthis building.
And then the vault goes about ahundred feet into the mountain,
at least a hundred feet.
There's a varying based onpermits and plans that have been
submitted to the cities andtowns and whatever, these all

(25:52):
seem to be between 70 to 100feet long in terms of the vault,
and it's you know, it's a fairlywide thing, and they just have
these titanium capsule standsthat are just stacked in there.
It's not weird for like a weirdsecret space alien cult to store

(26:14):
rare precious metals intounderground vaults in in the
middle of the desert that arenuclear proof.
Totally not weird.

SPEAKER_01 (26:23):
Seems weird to me, honey.

SPEAKER_00 (26:25):
Um yeah, so the the idea is that if there is a
nuclear bomb and it goes off,these properties and these
vaults will be unaffected.

SPEAKER_01 (26:37):
Yeah, and there's multiple locations so that if
one goes down, there's another.
And while there was, I I'm notsure exactly how many staff were
at the main running springsproperty, but by my recollection
it was like 20 to 30 at most.
Um, but then they would thenthey would have like a handful,
two or three people assigned toeach of the remote locations

(27:00):
that were going through.
Like those people wereresponsible for maintaining
security and everything at thoseproperties.
But they were so they wereremote CST staff.

SPEAKER_00 (27:11):
And they would swap them out.

SPEAKER_01 (27:13):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (27:13):
So they rotate people out of these locations
into other locations or at themain base.

SPEAKER_01 (27:18):
And they would rotate them so that they
wouldn't become too friendlywith the locals.

SPEAKER_00 (27:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (27:24):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (27:24):
So on this picture on the far left, this is
actually an airstrip that's onthe top of the mountain adjacent
to the property.
And they own this airstripproperty too.
But when I say uh the property,I mean like the vault location.
And then in the very tippy topof this picture, you can see the

(27:44):
Church of Spiritual Technologylogo, which is these two circles
with these diamonds in their thecircles, they are sort of
connected, and then um they havetwo diamonds in the side of
them.
They look, it looks identical tothe cool cigarettes logo, which

(28:05):
is so weird.
If you're if you start up a newcult, you're gonna have to have
your logo be like theMarlborough.
You can't have it like cool.

SPEAKER_01 (28:14):
Um, anyway, and did Hubbard smoke cools?
I think he did.

SPEAKER_00 (28:18):
100% he smoked.

SPEAKER_01 (28:20):
So it's just it's just ironic.

SPEAKER_00 (28:21):
Yeah, that's why it's like you lazy bastard, you
couldn't come up with adifferent thing.

SPEAKER_01 (28:27):
I mean, he has he has a very prolific history of
poaching other people's ideas,so why not the logo?

SPEAKER_00 (28:33):
He's sitting there smoking thinking, where am I
gonna hide all this gold I'vegot?
And he goes, Oh, like that logo.
Maybe I could make a secretbunch of secret bases and they
can use this cool logo.
Um, and so the idea behind thislogo, okay.
I'm just saying what they say.
I ain't this is not, I didn'tthink of this, okay.

(28:56):
The idea is if you are travelingfrom another planet or if you're
a being that's flying over thesurface of the planet, you will
recognize the logo because it'sgonna be in every single one of
these locations, and then thatway you know where the where the
technology is.

SPEAKER_01 (29:15):
It's like uh the alien radio beam.
Yeah, this is the technology ishere, sir.

SPEAKER_00 (29:20):
This logo is alien for cools, cool stuff here.

SPEAKER_01 (29:26):
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 (29:27):
Okay, so that's Trementina, New Mexico.
Yeah, I did notice most of thesethings are on the like sort of
western United States.
They don't have anything on theother side that we know of.
Maybe Catherine in the commentsknows about a new location.
Um, this is Sunset View, andthis is in Petrolia, California.

(29:48):
And very similar, you've got onthe uh left here, you've got
this is the road that leads tothe property.
And then it then you can see theroad that goes up from this sort
of output.
Building or whatever, and thengoes up to the mountain where
this is your vault entrance onthe uh far right.
And similarly, this is I thinkin this case they have all the

(30:11):
all the goodies in this other umproperty, maybe.
I don't know how this one isset.
Either way, um, they this theyalso have air handlers and all
these other things that areexchanging the air in the actual
vault, so it's not all nasty anddank and moist and you know,
humidity is all whacked out.

(30:33):
Um, and this is also a locationthat Shelley's driver's license
was was this is the address ofthis property was on her
driver's license.

SPEAKER_01 (30:45):
And as a result of her driver's license is where
she was registered to vote.

SPEAKER_00 (30:50):
I and I want to say for a long time everybody
thought she was at this otherproperty.
And one of our viewers starteddoing going.
I think they were going by everycounty in every in California
and Washington and going andlooking up the voter
registration.

SPEAKER_01 (31:11):
Admiral Persistence, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
And they found her red her driver's license, and it
was a picture of her.
Yeah.
And she also found all the otherpeople that were that had
licenses that were also at thisproperty, some of which we had
not heard of before.
So I don't know what that means.
That's kind of weird.
Um, but we assumed that theywere CST staff, and because

(31:34):
they'd been out in these remotelocations, we and we never saw
we saw the CST staff maybe likea hundred times in 15 years.

SPEAKER_01 (31:42):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (31:43):
It wasn't like we saw them.
They did come for study, but notall of them.
It was just a handful of themthat came.

SPEAKER_01 (31:50):
Yeah.
So there could have been the theJane McNairns would frequently
come.
Mostly the executives of SarahBellin, Russ Bellon, most of the
executives, executives.

SPEAKER_00 (32:00):
Not a lot of the frick uh the riff rap.

SPEAKER_01 (32:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (32:02):
And not and not many or not any that we knew of these
remote.

SPEAKER_01 (32:07):
Oh, and you reminded me too, when any CST staff
member tried to escape, theywould then be brought to the
property and put on the deck.
So for example, in the early90s, Wade Starr was um he was um
on heavy manual labor at theproperty for gosh, like at least

(32:28):
a year or so.

SPEAKER_00 (32:29):
But also, wasn't Bronwyn at CST?

SPEAKER_01 (32:31):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (32:32):
Because Bronwyn was married to Dylan.
And they were both at CST.

SPEAKER_01 (32:38):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (32:38):
And he left and she tr tried to escape or blew or
did CST.

SPEAKER_01 (32:43):
Well, no, she was busted, removed, and sent back
to gold.

SPEAKER_00 (32:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (32:48):
Um, and then and then they were kept apart for a
long time.

SPEAKER_00 (32:53):
Yeah, and we did eventually in the late 90s and
early 2000s.
There was a lot of CST staffthat were kicked out of CST.
And then like the um was it theGilberts or the um the ones that
worked in the OT.
Rich Gilbert.
I can't remember the the white.
Oh, Linda.
Linda Gilbert.

SPEAKER_01 (33:14):
I was like, I remember her haircut, I remember
her body shape.
It's coming.
Linda.
Yeah, they and they had they hadat least one or two kids who
were at the int range.

SPEAKER_00 (33:24):
Three.

SPEAKER_01 (33:25):
Three kids.

SPEAKER_00 (33:26):
Oh, Alec was.

SPEAKER_01 (33:27):
Josh Gilbert.
No, that that's that's Linda andRich's son.

SPEAKER_00 (33:33):
No, it's those two boys.

SPEAKER_01 (33:35):
Right.
Uh Josh Gilbert and another.
I can't remember the other kids.
Maybe Jesse Gilbert.

SPEAKER_00 (33:41):
They were in the print shop, yeah.
Jesse Gilbert.
Yes.
They were in the print shop.
They both worked in the and theparents worked in the OT print
shop.

SPEAKER_01 (33:48):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (33:48):
Because they were used to printing all the plates.

SPEAKER_01 (33:50):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (33:51):
And doing all the artwork for the plates.
So them to do the artwork forthe OT print shop, and because
they were cleared all the way upto CST, security clearance-wise,
and they are they had alreadyprinted all the OT levels onto
stainless steel things.

SPEAKER_01 (34:06):
So in fact, you reminded me, so it was a lot of
couples at that CST property.
The other one was Jim and JoyceIsaacson.

SPEAKER_00 (34:15):
Yeah, there was another there was some Wheelis's
there.

SPEAKER_01 (34:18):
There definitely were.
It was um, so Alec Wheelis wasat the property, but it was his
older brother.
And it was um the names willcome to me.
Was it Eric?
Yes, I think so.

SPEAKER_00 (34:30):
Anyway, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (34:30):
Alec Wheelis and he had a wife.

SPEAKER_00 (34:32):
So yeah, what was her name?
She was the one that worked withme on all the manufacturing
stuff, right?

SPEAKER_01 (34:38):
Um, no, that was my wheelis, which was Alec's wife.

SPEAKER_00 (34:41):
No, I know I know about her.
I'm talking about the other one,the one the one at CST, the
young one.
Wasn't she the short one thatwas working with Russ and Russ
Bellin and all those guys?

SPEAKER_01 (34:53):
Michelle Wheelis.

SPEAKER_00 (34:55):
That's right.

SPEAKER_01 (34:56):
Yes.
There we go.

SPEAKER_00 (34:58):
Might have been 20 years ago, but I got a steel
trap up here.

SPEAKER_01 (35:02):
Oh, you have a steel trap.

SPEAKER_00 (35:03):
Okay, now listen, this is Petrolea, California,
CST base.
We got more of these things,guys.
And supposedly ones that wedon't even know we don't got.
There you go.
Now, I don't know what this um Ithink that was a link that Clara
made for videos we could watchof these things, but um, but
they don't work inside of umStreamYard.
So I'm sorry about that.

SPEAKER_01 (35:24):
Yeah, it's all good.

SPEAKER_00 (35:25):
Okay, as did I skip one or is that no?
Yeah, here we go.
Creston.
Okay, now Creston, this is theproperty that Elrun Hubbard died
at.
Yes.
This is where he was living inin hiding from the FBI and the
CIA and the IRS and theeverything and the D-O-J, all

(35:45):
the alphabets that Hubbard washiding from, he was doing it at
this place in Creston,California.
And this is a house ranch.
And um, and basically he had ahouse here.
This is also kind of wild.
He had a house here in a horseranch, and there's horses, and
there's lakes, and there's allthis stuff, and he was living in

(36:08):
an RV on this property.

SPEAKER_01 (36:10):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (36:11):
There's a nice house here that has could probably, I
don't know, I never been in thehouse, but I'm assuming it has
rooms that are big enough to puta bed in, called a bedroom.

SPEAKER_01 (36:21):
I I mean to be fair, I don't know what year this
property was the house wasbuilt.

SPEAKER_00 (36:26):
No, no, the house was there because everybody else
stayed in the house and he livedin the RV.
Anyway, that's weird to me.
If you've got a perfectly goodhouse and you want to sleep in
the RV, but I think the and theway it was told to me by some of
the people that were there atthe time is when shit went down
and it was time to GTFO, hewanted to be ready to GTFO.

(36:48):
And if he was living in the RV,that's just get drive.
Let's do this.

SPEAKER_01 (36:53):
Right.
Yeah.
The other the other bizarrepiece of history in relation to
this property is that so therewas a number of staff living at
this property to serve L.
Ron Hubbard in his final days,including people like Jason
Bennick, John Brusseau, Annieand Pat Broker.

SPEAKER_00 (37:11):
Susie Bennick, Susie Bennett, Sarge, yes, um, Sinar
Parman.

SPEAKER_01 (37:16):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (37:16):
Um, did you say John Brusseau?

SPEAKER_01 (37:18):
I did.

SPEAKER_00 (37:18):
Um and Clarice Brousseau.
Was she there?

SPEAKER_01 (37:21):
I know that she was there.

SPEAKER_00 (37:23):
But either way, Annie Tidman, Pat Broker.

SPEAKER_01 (37:26):
I said those two.
Yeah.
But all of those people weresent to the rehabilitation
project for when he died.
When he died.

SPEAKER_00 (37:33):
Yeah.
Kind of wild.

SPEAKER_01 (37:35):
Right?
Like, no reason given, justboom, you're out.

SPEAKER_00 (37:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (37:39):
Like what?

SPEAKER_00 (37:40):
Super, super weird.

SPEAKER_01 (37:41):
Like in retrospect, I never thought about, you know,
there's many, there's so manythought-stopping things in
Scientology where it's like, oh,it's just stop thinking it's
gonna be the best path.

SPEAKER_00 (37:50):
And the only person who didn't was Pat Broker.

SPEAKER_01 (37:53):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (37:54):
And he escaped, but he escaped sort of like they let
him escape.
It was that they made a deal andhe left.
So, and there is a lot more tothat story, which I will be
telling at a later date.

SPEAKER_01 (38:08):
There we go.

SPEAKER_00 (38:09):
Um, but anyway, this is uh this is Creston,
California.
This is where L.
Ron Hubbard died in January of1986 in his Bluebird Motorfoam.

SPEAKER_01 (38:19):
January 24th, 1986.

SPEAKER_00 (38:21):
January 24th, where he did have psychiatric drugs in
his bloodstream,antidepressants, and uh
antipsychotics, and somemedicines that are treated for
schizophrenia he had in hissystem when he died, which is
wild because he prove heprohibits any Scientologist from

(38:42):
taking any of those medications.
Okay, this is Creston,California.
Next one.
Okay, now this is the LadyWashington mine.
And I don't know how to saythis.
Tulum.

SPEAKER_01 (38:56):
That sounds about right to me.

SPEAKER_00 (38:57):
We'll get the uh the I'm an expert on pronunciation.
Saskatchewan over here says it'sTulum.
Um okay, this is in California.
And now this is an interestingone because in all of the other
properties that we talked about,they bought a property and then
they made a tunnel or uh a shaftto make the vault, the time

(39:20):
capsule vault.
They made all that.
Yep.
This one, they bought an oldmine.
So the the thing in the the thehole all into the mountain was
already made.
They just had to adjust it fortheir what?

SPEAKER_01 (39:35):
You're you keep waving your hand in front of my
face.

SPEAKER_00 (39:37):
It's very, very handy to the viewers.
Very handy like two-hand standhere.

SPEAKER_01 (39:44):
No, it's a little bit strange, honey.

SPEAKER_00 (39:46):
Okay.
Um they just modified an oldmine to make this vault.
And um, I don't even know whereI think Tulum, it's sort of like
Northern California, likenorthern-ish California.
And um, yeah.
This is the Tulum.

(40:08):
Same, same setup.
You got a house.
You can see here from the yougot the roads leading up to it,
you have some outbuildings, andthen you have the building
that's basically the head of thevault that leads you into the
vault.
Um the the another point aboutthis, another, you know, just
let's just mention it for theviewers, is that these are for

(40:32):
uh after there's been uh uh anextinction event, basically.
If there's been a nuclearholocaust or an asteroid hits
the earth or whatever theextinction event is, then
whoever survives or whoever getshere arrives here after that.
Somehow they're gonna stumbleupon these properties.

(40:56):
Okay, now I know that one in NewMexico, you could see the logo
really good.
I don't know if we zoom out onthis location.
If you zoom out on the LadyWashington mine on Google, if
you're gonna see a logosomewhere.
Um, at one time, somebody hadgone through all the properties
and there was some logo there atone time that you could see,

(41:19):
whether it was trees or bushesor the grass was mowed in a
certain way.
And I think when people startedtalking about this, they kind of
let them overgrow because theyseem to disappear after a few
years.

SPEAKER_02 (41:33):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (41:33):
So I don't know what it is.
Do they want people to find themor do they not want people to
find them?

SPEAKER_01 (41:39):
It seems like they're sending up competitions.
Perhaps they had some gardenerson hand so that in the event of
the apocalypse, they couldquickly cut back all the bushes
so it could be seen.

SPEAKER_00 (41:48):
All the landscapers escaped, and so now it's just
nobody's maintaining the uh theuh the symbols.
Anyway, so the idea is thatbasically you're gonna stumble
upon this location.
I guess you're gonna go, oh,there was something here,
because there's there's somesort of uh symbols that are in
the in the earth.

(42:09):
So we need to see what theremight be some technology here,
yeah.
And then you're gonna find allthis gold and all this stainless
steel and all this titanium, andyou're just gonna be like, oh
yeah, let's open these up andlisten to these guys and what
they were up to.
You know, those guys are gonnabe like, that's it, man.
Let's get to orbit and nuke it.

(42:30):
Let's nuke it for it.

SPEAKER_01 (42:32):
Yeah, I have an idea.
Let's go to Lord Zenu's websiteand submit a contact us form and
ask what this symbol means inMarcab.

SPEAKER_00 (42:41):
Yeah, no, somebody could just Google.
Um maybe one of these ancientalien guys can get on that and
just say, like, hey, what whatthis means.
You know, what what does thislogo mean?

SPEAKER_01 (42:51):
What's this symbology mean?

SPEAKER_00 (42:53):
In Scientology, every logo means something.

SPEAKER_01 (42:55):
It does.

SPEAKER_00 (42:56):
Every aspect of the logo, yeah, like the ARC
triangle and the KRC.

SPEAKER_01 (43:01):
Yeah, so the S and double triangle is the S for
Scientology, and then the twotriangles is the ARC triangle
and the KRC affinity reality andcommunication, and KRC for
knowledge, responsibility, andcontrol.

SPEAKER_00 (43:13):
Yeah.
I'm telling you guys, this isnot weird at all.
This is not a weird cult.
This is just your everydayrun-of-the-mill space alien
cootie cult.

SPEAKER_01 (43:26):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (43:26):
That's Tulum.
That's how I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 (43:28):
Oh, somebody suggested we should ask Rock
about that logo.
That's a really good idea.

SPEAKER_00 (43:32):
Sure.
Yeah, that's what I just said.

SPEAKER_01 (43:34):
Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 (43:35):
Ask, put it in the Google foo.
Okay, now this is the emp base.
Now, this is the one we covered.
We just put this on therebecause I did notice something
that was kind of crazy.
This property also backs to amountain.
And then if you guys don't knowthis, this is one of the
craziest things ever.

(43:55):
There is a secret undergroundgovernment facility in this
mountain.
If you look on the if you go toum Google Earth and you go to
Gilman Hot Springs and you lookat the the ridge of the mountain
behind the property.
So you basically need to goeast, like northeast, and

(44:16):
there's a ridge, and then on theother side of that mountain,
there's a ton of roads that leadright into the mountain.
And that is actually how thisproperty came to be to
Scientology, come intoScientology's hands.
Is this it?
This property.
What?

SPEAKER_01 (44:33):
You're sticking your hand in my face.

SPEAKER_00 (44:35):
I know.
She's really worried about thishand.
I got no, I got no talk room.
Anyway, this property had agovernment base in it.
When they were building thatbase, um, this property used to
be hot springs.
It was a hot springs resort.
Gilman Hot Springs.
Old man Gilman used to run theresort, and there were hot

(44:58):
springs there, so they called itGilman Hot Springs.
When they were digging thatunderground base, they hit the
river, the underground riverthat fed the hot springs.

SPEAKER_02 (45:09):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (45:10):
And the springs dried up.

SPEAKER_02 (45:11):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (45:12):
And in addition to the springs drying up, there's
this there's an Indianreservation uh down the road
from the base.
And Mark should really stopbeing in front of Mark and
Claire's camera.
Thank you, comments.
I see these now.

SPEAKER_01 (45:28):
I told you.

SPEAKER_00 (45:28):
Anyway, um, they also dried up all the water to
the Indian reservation, and theyhad to pay off old Man Gilman
and the Indians for projectingup all their water source.

SPEAKER_01 (45:38):
Which aren't they still paying those um dividends?

SPEAKER_00 (45:41):
Oh, that's another thing.
That's from the casino.

SPEAKER_01 (45:43):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (45:44):
I they maybe it's from that too, actually.
You know what?
That might they still, I don'tknow, it's been 20 years.
I don't know if those Indiansare still getting the people on
the reservation are stillgetting checks.
But they dried up their watersource.
Um, but that's how we knowthere's a base in the mountain,
is because of all these seriesof events that happened.
And there are um, there's atleast, I want to say, three or

(46:08):
four entrances to the base onthe other side of the mountain
on the roads, and there's just abig giant concrete slab.
It's very similar to how theScientology guys are doing it.
I just think it's weird that theonly base that doesn't have a
secret base in it, it has asecret base in it that's not
theirs.

SPEAKER_02 (46:27):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (46:27):
It's just an it's just another crazy thing.

SPEAKER_02 (46:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (46:31):
That this and and a lot of these properties were
purchased around the same time.
The base was in the early um80s, uh late 70s.
They started gobbling up allthese properties to put all this
stuff into.

SPEAKER_02 (46:44):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (46:45):
Um, guess what, guys?
It we had it's Happy Halloweencoming up on Friday, and we're
not going to do a video tillafter that.
So Claire wanted to show youthis picture.
We went to a party last week.

SPEAKER_02 (46:57):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (46:58):
And we were uh Helly and Mark from Severance.
You can see that's me, and I gotblood all over my shirt, and I'm
running out of there with mytag.

SPEAKER_01 (47:07):
If you haven't watched season two, sorry, this
is a uh Severance.

SPEAKER_00 (47:10):
We're talking about Severance.

SPEAKER_01 (47:11):
Severance, yeah.
So if you haven't watched seasontwo of Severance, this is a
spoiler alert.

SPEAKER_00 (47:16):
Spoiler alert.
Good telling.
Good telling.

SPEAKER_01 (47:18):
Um good thing I thought to mention that after
the fact of showing it.

SPEAKER_00 (47:22):
I do want to say that a lot of this is Claire's
actual clothes.
That that she has clothes thatlook like the people that work
on that are on the show.
That's a little wild to me.

SPEAKER_01 (47:31):
Okay, she had to get me all this stuff.
I didn't know that's not true.

SPEAKER_00 (47:35):
Yes, I didn't get blood all over my shirt.

SPEAKER_01 (47:37):
Well, I mean, we have a very creative son who was
happy to oblige, putting bloodall over a white shirt.
Yes.
And he did a great job.
And so yeah.
I did have to get the skirt.
That's all I that's what thatwas what I had to get.

SPEAKER_00 (47:51):
Okay, did Catherine say where this other secret base
is that I forgot about?
I left off the list.

SPEAKER_01 (47:57):
Oh Clara's symboling something.
She said yes, she did.

SPEAKER_00 (48:02):
Well, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (48:05):
Well, let's run through the comments in the
meantime.

SPEAKER_00 (48:08):
Well, I know what happened to the she probably
marked it.

SPEAKER_01 (48:13):
Okay, we can go back to normal screen now.

SPEAKER_00 (48:15):
Oh, you think?

SPEAKER_01 (48:16):
Yep.
There we go.

SPEAKER_00 (48:20):
There we go.

SPEAKER_01 (48:21):
Yay.
All right, Catherine.
5999 Bandini Boulevard, LosAngeles, California is the
secret property I was talkingabout.
I'm trying to get this out thereand known about.
It's the warehouse that used tobe Bridge Publications before
they moved.
But if it's now a a CSTproperty, I think is what she's
saying.

SPEAKER_00 (48:40):
Yeah, that's not a no.
The there's the disseminationcenter, the dissemination and
distribution or whatever theycall it.
And then is this, and then theother one is Sheila.
We're gonna do a whole videoabout those with Mitch because
Mitch knows basically it's allthe things.
Yeah, see, this is not a secretbase.

(49:00):
It's in the middle of theindustrial district of Los
Angeles and Commerce,California.

SPEAKER_01 (49:07):
It's been a known property of Scientology for a
long time.
I didn't know it was now CSTthough.

SPEAKER_00 (49:12):
These other properties are in the middle of
nowhere, right?
They're secret to everybodyexcept for the people that know
they're there.

SPEAKER_01 (49:20):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (49:20):
Okay, fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 (49:22):
I knew it.
I knew it.

SPEAKER_00 (49:23):
Nonetheless, I knew it.

SPEAKER_01 (49:25):
Thank you, Catherine, for your comments.

SPEAKER_00 (49:26):
We're gonna do a video.
Um, so when we were doing avideo about the int base, um, I
was talking with Mitch Brisker,who was mainly, as far as I
know, one of the very lastpeople that were there.
Besides um uh Rachel.
No, not Rachel.
Rachel was an SMP when she left.

SPEAKER_01 (49:47):
Oh, you mean at the at the Intel, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (49:50):
Um Valerie.
Valerie and Mitch are the lastpeople that have left that are
that are speaking publicly.

SPEAKER_01 (49:56):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (49:57):
So um we I talked to Mitch about it.
He wrote me a whole uh emailabout all the updates based on
the questions people had askedin that last video.
So Mitch and I are gonna do avideo and we're just gonna cover
all that.
Yes, and in that he covers theSheila and the Scientology media

(50:18):
productions and all those otherproperties that gold basically
was converted into all thesedifferent things that weren't
in, they couldn't be on aScientology birthing property.
They had to be in their ownthing.
And nobody could live or sleepthere.

SPEAKER_01 (50:33):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (50:34):
And so they moved all those things there so that
Scientology couldn't be accusedof human trafficking, which
they've been doing for the thepro previous 50 years.
Yes.
Um, okay.
Thank you.
I was glad that I didn't reallymiss something.
Um okay, here we go.
Question All right.

SPEAKER_01 (50:52):
I'm doing the reading.
Question as as as ECRO, do youknow anything about the
Scientology Center in Dublin orhow many members they could get
in Ireland?
I used to live close to it.
I'm originally from Croatia, butworked in Ireland.

SPEAKER_00 (51:07):
Nice.
Um, I think if you go into any,this is if if Scientologists are
watching this and you just wentto an a Scientology event and
they tell you that Scientologyis exploding all over the
universe, it's 100% not doingthat.
If you go into any Scientologyorganization in the world, there

(51:30):
ain't people running in and inand out of that place all day
long.
Yeah, there's a handful ofpeople.
Yeah.
And this is the thing that Iwould encourage all people that
are um, you know, areScientology adjacent or you have
a family member.
If you can get your theScientologist to go into their
Scientology organization andthen and ask themselves, is this

(51:54):
expanding and is everybody inthe town coming into this place?

SPEAKER_02 (51:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (51:57):
They're not.
I've been to at least 20 ofthese organizations and they
were all empty when I wentthere.

SPEAKER_01 (52:05):
Yeah, but let me share my Ireland story.

SPEAKER_00 (52:08):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (52:08):
Um, so a few years ago, uh, every once in a while,
I will um Google my familymembers to see what they're up
to because they have have meblocked on social media, as one
does when you're forced todisconnect from family members.
Um, so one day, a few years ago,I happened across a picture of
my mother and my stepfather withsomebody in Cork, Ireland, who

(52:30):
was very well connected withgovernment.
He's a businessman, and and heand um so he posted it on his
social media, which is how I sawthis picture of my mom.
And she was there trying toinfluence him to welcome
Scientology into Cork, Ireland,because my family is Irish.
They're O'Leary's, O'Sullivan's,and apparently I learned from

(52:54):
this post that she's adescendant of Thomas Kent in
Ireland.
So she was uh of some, you know,status and was there trying to
woo Scientology into Ireland.
So I emailed this guy and Isaid, Hey, I love that she's
talking to you about ThomasKent.
I just thought you should beaware she's never met her
grandchildren, and she's justtrying to hurt Cork by wooing in

(53:18):
this cult.
So may I please send you a copyof Mark's book, Blown for Good
Behind the Iron Curtain ofScientology?
Anyway, we're now great friends.

SPEAKER_00 (53:27):
Yes.
And Scientology is not bigthere.
They have this is how it iseverywhere.
They have like a couple, maybe50, 100 people.
That's it.
That's doing that.
And this is how you can do themath on it, is because they have
X amount of Seag members.
We think it's around 5,000.
That's pretty much what it kindof hovers at consistently.

(53:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (53:49):
It does that's probably even high.

SPEAKER_00 (53:51):
I would because when they get new people that come to
Clearwater, to Florida, to flagthe flag land base.

SPEAKER_01 (53:57):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (53:57):
That that's also another weird thing.
What other cult has bases?

They're all bases (54:01):
pack base, flag base, and well, the Mormons
have a state.
Okay.
But there, this is another funnything.
We did talk about this.
If you haven't seen the MormonStories um episode, we two
episodes we did.

SPEAKER_01 (54:15):
Part one and part two.

SPEAKER_00 (54:16):
They're gargantuan.
They're I think they're fiveplus hours.

SPEAKER_01 (54:19):
If you need something to do for 11 hours, we
got you covered.

SPEAKER_00 (54:22):
If you're cleaning, if you're sorting your depech
mode collection for two days,you could watch both of these
videos.

SPEAKER_01 (54:28):
There you go.

SPEAKER_00 (54:28):
Um, but they had what now I told you, totally.
Oh, the reason why uh they said,oh, well, that's why, because
Scientology is kind of nasty andthey do a lot of evil stuff and
they kind of really go hard onthe the nasty stuff.
Um, then Mormon uh John, JohnBoleyn was like, yeah, that's
why they're a three billiondollar cult and we're a three

(54:51):
hundred billion dollar cult.

SPEAKER_01 (54:52):
That's where and uh yeah, that exactly.
I know.
I thoroughly enjoyed ourconversations with John and
Margie and and specific Margie.
Margie.
Margie, sorry.
And specifically, I thoroughlyenjoyed the the correlations and
how, oh well, this is why MormonMormonism is a nice cult versus
Scientology being a very evilcult.

SPEAKER_00 (55:15):
Yeah, but either way, they've got about 5,000
Sear members.
They've got about a hundredorganizations legitimately, and
those may have 50 to 100 peoplethat are public, that are paying
for services and the staff andeverything there.
It's not a lot, guys.
They're not they've got like athousand richy riches in there

(55:36):
that are jamming millions downthem, maybe 500, not a thousand,
but in there.
They've got some guys that areonly given 100k, but then
they've got some guys that aregiven 10 million and 40 million
and 90 million.
And anyway.
So um, yeah.
And they're also tax, they do itall tax-free.
We we American taxpayers get tosubsidize it here.

SPEAKER_01 (55:58):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (55:59):
Um four-minute warning, by the way.
Four-minute warning.
Okay, we'll do this one more.
Um, question what happened toLafayette's RV?
It was pres is it preserved forhis return?
Yes, it is.
That RV has been fully restoredand is parked at the
international base up by El RonHubbard's house, and it's in its

(56:20):
own little building where it itlives up there.
That's right.
With all his other cars, hisrange, his land cruiser and his
Cadillac and his overall.

SPEAKER_01 (56:29):
And all of his outfits that he ever wore and
any photos that have beenpreserved of him.

SPEAKER_00 (56:33):
Okay.
All of that.
We gotta do, we gotta jam on agiveaway, I think.

SPEAKER_01 (56:36):
Okay.
And by the way, folks, we areredirecting to a premiere of
another episode of FoundationFeed on the Michael J.
Render Aftermath FoundationYouTube channel.
Phil and I did part two of Mythsversus Facts, and that will be
premiering right after thisepisode.

SPEAKER_00 (56:55):
Yeah, I just gotta get my mouse back over here.
It's on Oh, no worries.

SPEAKER_01 (56:58):
It's over on the other side of the room.
There we go.

SPEAKER_00 (57:00):
Okay, are you guys ready for the giveaway?

SPEAKER_01 (57:03):
Yeah, let's do this.

SPEAKER_00 (57:04):
Okay, here we go.
Let me see if I see myself.
Oh, I haven't commented.

SPEAKER_01 (57:09):
I did.

SPEAKER_00 (57:10):
I didn't get to enter it.

SPEAKER_01 (57:10):
Maybe I'll get to win here.

SPEAKER_00 (57:12):
Here we go.
Magda.
There you go, Magda.
Magda M21819.
There was a lot of Magnas up onuh Magna M.
There was a lot of Magna M's onuh on uh the YouTube there.
She had to pick the 21stthousand one.
Um congratulations, Magda.

(57:32):
You can send Claire an email atuh claire at blovergood.com and
all that happy hoo-ha.
Um okay, let's do a last fewsome last few questions here.
Um topic.

SPEAKER_01 (57:46):
Okay, here we go.
Off topic.
How is Rachel Hastings doing?
She is doing amazing.
We're gonna actually be seeingher in December.
Um, and of course, we're verygrateful to her partner and
wife, Michelle, for serving as avolunteer board member for the
Michael J.
Render Aftermath Foundation.
Michelle has been amazing towork with, especially on the um

(58:06):
online support group program.

SPEAKER_00 (58:08):
So there you go.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (58:12):
Adam Scott, would Tom Cruise know any of this?
He did not in the years that wewere there, whether or not of
the CST stuff?

SPEAKER_00 (58:21):
Oh, but I'm sure he knows now.

SPEAKER_01 (58:23):
He knows, yeah, I would I would imagine so.
But yeah, but no, like there wasliterally, I don't know, on the
entire property, maybe 10 peoplethat knew where some of the CST
locations were.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (58:37):
Not ones they were buying, not ones.
There was one time when RussBellin and Michelle were in the
office with me and we were doingthe manufacturing stuff.
And they were, I mean, we wereup all night every night for
days and days and days.
And one night they were having aconversation and I was asleep at
my desk.
Quote unquote asleep.

(58:59):
And I heard them talking aboutyou're such a weasel sometimes.
I was, I know.
I was like, don't wake up now.

SPEAKER_01 (59:06):
They're telling lots of stories about Mark's Mark's
asleep, but he's readingreceiving audio input.

SPEAKER_00 (59:14):
That's right.
I was I was active.

SPEAKER_01 (59:17):
Activated.
BTS.
Okay, guys.

SPEAKER_00 (59:19):
Um, I think we had a I think that was a good one.

SPEAKER_01 (59:22):
Yeah, that was great.
Thank you as always to our mods,Catherine and Clara.
Clara, thanks for all your helpwith our slides.
And we hope we'll you'll stickaround for the redirect to the
Foundation Feed episode.
Yeah.
And we'll see you next week.

SPEAKER_00 (59:37):
Also, yeah, put in the comments if you like that
new intro and if I should do anew outro.
Okay.

(59:58):
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