September 23, 2025 • 61 mins
The curtain is pulled back on Scientology's enigmatic leader as Marc and Claire Headley share firsthand accounts of David Miscavige from their combined 30+ years inside the organization's headquarters. Their candid stories reveal a man obsessed with control, prone to humiliating outbursts, and increasingly paranoid about those around him.
From bizarre personal encounters (like Miscavige mocking Marc about a Depeche Mode singer's suicide attempt) to shocking revelations about his daily routine, the Headleys paint a vivid picture of what happens when absolute power corrupts absolutely. Miscavige emerges as a micromanager who demands compliance reports for even the smallest tasks—like placing rubber mats under urinals—while simultaneously keeping his inner circle small and suspicious of everyone else.
The conversation takes particularly illuminating turns when discussing Miscavige's unusual relationship with Tom Cruise. According to widespread reports, Scientology's leader accompanied Cruise and Katie Holmes on their honeymoon, raising eyebrows about the nature of celebrity treatment within the organization. The Headleys also detail how Miscavige lost $30 million of L. Ron Hubbard's money in bad investments, including fake oil wells and bogus treasure hunting schemes, yet managed to blame others for these financial disasters.
Perhaps most disturbing are the accounts of physical and emotional abuse. Claire recounts being forced to drag Miscavige across a room while he held onto her clothing, telling her and other executives they were his "ball and chain." These personal stories provide crucial context for understanding how Scientology operates under his leadership and why former members continue speaking out despite the organization's reputation for aggressive retaliation against critics.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good Scientology
Exposed.
Is it Scientology?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Exposed.
We go through this every week.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm joined here today by my lovely wife Claire.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey, hey, hey, everybody, Good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, we've got a fun episode for you guys today.
We're going to talk about theleader of Scientology, david
Miscavige.
The leader of Scientology,david Miscavige, and we're going
to tell you personal storiesabout maybe things we witnessed
in private with him, or maybethings we witnessed in public
(00:55):
with him, or even things that wewitnessed while we were in
meetings or just in ourday-to-day lives and working at
the international headquartersof Scientology in Gilman Hot
Springs, california, and I justwanted to bring up a picture of
good old Davey just to let's see, do we have it here?
There we go?
(01:15):
Oops, that's what DavidMiscavige looks like right there
.
For anybody who is wondering ifthis picture is Photoshopped,
this is not a Photoshoppedpicture.
This is an actual picture thatScientology published of David
Miscavige in a magazine or somesort of thing, and you can see
(01:40):
that he's got quite the SeaOrgorg uh campaign ribbon
collection going there he suredoes, like I think they should.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It should be going further down, but every one of
those is a mission campaign barthat's right, so it's for
various different things.
And then I think he also hasthe star which was like awarded
only by elrond personalation ora very well done from the
Commodore.
Yes, that's right.
He's one of the only Sea Orgmembers that have that.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, and there's actually a Sea Org issue.
Maybe it's on the interwebsomewhere.
I've seen it.
Obviously, I saw it when I wasin the Sea Org.
But it actually explains whatevery single one of those
ribbons is.
And, to be honest, davidMiscavige could very likely
claim to have double this amountof ribbons, because these are
(02:35):
only like building the winterheadquarters, building the
summer headquarters forScientology, building Golden Air
Productions, building the L RonHubbard Music Studio, building
all the manufacturing lines atGolden Air Productions All these
different things equal a SeaOrg accomplishment that you've
got.
And all Sea Org members in theearly days, probably up until
(02:59):
the 2000s, were encouraged towear these when we had like a
special ceremonial where wewould wear our whites.
Those were our spiffy Sea Orgduds.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, well, before we get into our talk for today,
should we give a few shout outsto the people joining us.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Oh yeah, we can do that, we can do that.
I forgot.
Some people don't like it whenwe spend the whole first five
minutes of the video sayingwhere everybody's coming from.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I know there's just a reason we do it.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, we like to acknowledge the community.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
And also just let people show up.
You know it is a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
That is true, we're not slave drivers.
Okay, here Let me put us upinto there we go there, we go
there we go and then you canread these things.
Why do you look darker?
For some reason.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I don't know either.
Hold on a second.
Let me do something.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
While you mess with that here, I'll put this up.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Oh no, I can't do everything at once.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, doodle Dom.
Hello from Cologne, germany.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I don't know how to do this.
While I'm in it, let me see.
Here we go.
Let's see, does this make you?
Nope, I'm brightening upanother camera somewhere here.
Let's just see this for asecond.
Okay, there we go.
Now I know what to do.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Oh, I'm in Double player.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Replicate.
There we go.
That's a little up, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Okay, amy, I should be prepping for work, but here I
am.
Yay, cher, hello from theNetherlands.
We love our Netherlands people.
Mary Kay London, hi fromAlbuquerque, new Mexico.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
We got London from New Mexico and then we got
Cupcake from London.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
There you go, Love Food Kitchen.
Look at the ribbons on thatuniform.
I bet there's one for bestsweater in the Sea Org no
swearer.
Oh, swearer, yes.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Sweater would be good too, because in that we Stand
Tall video he's wearing thatHermes Funkadelic sweater.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, swearer, for sure he is definitely, and I
missed the other part, butthat's okay.
Definitely he's a sweater, forsure he is definitely, and I
missed the other part, butthat's okay, definitely highest
hair on TGX.
Most sounds like he has anentire mouthful of marbles when
speaking.
All right, good evening allfrom Nova Scotia.
Hi, caitlin, becky, big brotherfan Reading, berkshire, nice.
(05:23):
Jennifer from Mississippi,thomas from Rendsburg, germany.
Awesome.
Hello from Washington, codeMonkey.
Hello from the Shadow, theVentura Ideal Org.
Ali good evening or Al.
Good evening from England.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's Ali.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Oh, it is Okay.
My contacts are a little blurrytoday.
Christopher hi from Los Feliz.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Los Feliz, that's in California, right near the
Celebrity Center.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
That's where Mary Sue Hubbard lived until she passed.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
In banishment Grace Case.
Hello from Austin, texas, firsttime making it live.
Yay, jack Shaw.
Hello from Austin, texas, firsttime making it live.
Yay, Jack Shaw.
Howdy from Henderson, nevada,zenuwight.
Good afternoon from Austin,texas.
Awesome.
Hi guys and gals from Reading,UK, petrina Manon, netherlands,
rl, finally catching a BFG livestream from here in Seattle.
(06:22):
Awesome, thanks for joining us.
Chaotic Canuck.
Hello from Canuck.
Hello from Ontario, canada.
Rose.
Hello from the WillametteValley.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Willametta.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Willamette.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Willamette.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Dave Miscavige, SP, Hi from Santa Barbara California
.
Boomaskatchewan, saskatchewanyeah, there you go, joseph hi
from speedway, indiana awesome,I was just in indiana recently.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yep, um, okay, so are we good, we're gonna.
Can we talk about david davy?
Can we talk about Davey?
Can we talk about one?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
other thing first.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Oh sure.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
So we mentioned last week that we did another podcast
on another channel and we willpost this on the community page,
but part one is coming outtomorrow.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Monday.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, Monday, yes, tomorrow Monday.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Monday tomorrow.
We'll put a link to it on thecommunity page, and it's good.
It's good, we'll put a link toit on the community page, and
it's good, it's good.
You'll like it.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
It'll be great, definitely one of the longest
we've ever done, if not thelongest.
Okay, what are we doing now?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Okay, so let's see if we can put you back.
Put us back.
What do I do here?
Oh my goodness, babe, there wego.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
There we go, there we go.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
There we go.
She's so many fancy things nowI'm trying to think why it goes
dark on her for some reason likethat.
We'll never know.
Okay, so, yes, let's show Daveyhere.
So this is David Miscavige.
Oh man, I see, it's that one Iwanted.
This is a picture of him thatScientology released, and he is
(08:10):
David Miscavige is chairman ofthe Board Religious Technology
Center, which is the highestorganization in all of
Scientology that controlseverything.
And David Miscavige is also thecaptain of the Sea Organization
yes, which he is also thecaptain of the Sea Organization.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Which he is also the leader of the Sea Organization.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And he doesn't like people to know this more
recently.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
He doesn't like people to know that he's a
captain in the Sea Organizationthe fake Navy.
The Scientology's fake Navy.
They wear naval uniforms.
The Scientology's fake Navy.
They wear naval uniforms.
They have naval ranks andratings, birthing, chow hall,
midnight rations, everythingthat Hubbard could steal from
the Navy.
He introduced that and madethat part of the sea
(08:57):
organization.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And, like I said, just so you know this is not
Photoshopped you can see thoseare the bars he has when he's
wearing his whites, but when hewears his blues he has a
slightly different suit up, buthe still has the star, but
because his lapel, or whateverthat is, covers it, he puts it
on the other side.
I think let's see, does he haveit like that in the other one
(09:24):
too?
Maybe he does.
Oh, that's an RTC thing, theone over there.
That's the RTC.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Oh, yeah, the RTC pen .
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Pen.
So maybe he just puts the starabove that and he puts the star
on the other side.
Maybe he's been commended by LRon Hubbard more than once, so
he can rock as many stars as hewants.
Yep, rock as many stars as hewants.
Yep, anyway, and then, just sobecause you guys already saw it,
I messed it up and I had it upthere still from when I was
laughing at it before we started.
That is, I mean, our littlefake Navy.
(09:54):
Davey doll, don't forget,you're going to get these on the
spshopcom.
These go to support theaftermath, helping people escape
Scientology.
Get their feet back on theground.
And Clara.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, I'm going to pull this up.
Clara says I made the colors onthe Davey Navy doll uniforms
match as closely as I possiblycould.
Lol.
Yes, clara, you're amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I mean, even the campaign bars are different
colors.
I mean that's some detail there.
Folks Look at that.
But you know what?
The real fake Navy Davey?
He doesn't have Velcro hands.
I don't know if you know that,but this guy See, look A little
AMSR for you guys.
A little fake Navy Davey, FakeNavy grabbers, those are his
(10:38):
grabbers.
So the real David Miscavigedoesn't have that.
He can't grab onto things likethat.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, he also doesn't have the decorative hat, so we
took some artistic license withthat.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, and this guy's got a good star collar.
You see, that little kind ofelf thing he's rocking.
I don't even know why they didit like that.
Is that the way they are?
Is that the way the elf on theshelves have something like that
?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
too.
They have that collar thingy.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Oh, Is that the way?
The Elf on the Shelves havesomething like that too.
They have that collar thingy.
Oh, so they have matchingcollars, him and the Elf on the
Shelf.
Mm-hmm, so that's anotherselling point.
Guys Didn't even know it, butI'm a poet and I'd love to show
it right here.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
When we first came out with these we were joking
because our kids they really gotinto elf in the shelf, much to
our chagrin.
It was very stressful becausethe days that we would forget to
move the elf then like it waslike oh he, he, maybe he got
touched by accident or the doglicked him and now he needs a
(11:40):
cinnamon sugar bath to restorehis magical powers yeah, there's
all sorts of.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So then, magic, a lot of magic surrounding these
elves.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, but when we came out with the Davy elves
we're like maybe if they'remisbehaving, the elf won't come
back, but Davy will.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
No, but I also think you're not supposed.
Humans aren't supposed to touchthe elves on the shelves
because they have magic and youdon't want them to lose their
magic.
If you touch them, they losetheir magic.
If you touch them, they losetheir magic.
Davy has no magic no, he has nomagic, he's just he's.
His magic is creating smilesthat's what his magic is and um
and make and spreading happiness.
(12:18):
But he is a mischievous littledoll yep okay um should we tell
some Davey, fake Navy Daveystories?
We should sell some Dave andMiscavige stories.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yes, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So I was there at the international headquarters from
1990 to 2005.
And I probably went to I mean,I went to a lot of meetings, but
you probably went to a lot moremeetings than I did.
But you were also not always atthe international headquarters.
Sometimes you were in Florida,yep, and so you might have
meetings with him there inFlorida as well.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So why don't you?
You want to start with ameeting, or what's a good story.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
You want to start with so, okay, the first one
that comes to mind justchronologically.
Yeah, so, okay, the first onethat comes to mind just
chronologically.
Yeah, so we were married inAugust 1992.
Yeah, and we've talked abouthow many times over the years,
constantly off and on throughoutthose years, that David
Miscavige was pressuring us todivorce.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, or he was just making fun of us that we were
married.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Or making fun of you that you were married to me.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yes, that's right, like the one time when he was
just making fun of us that wewere married Right, or making
fun of you that you were marriedto me.
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Like the one time when he was like oh, you're
still married to him.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
But the first one that comes to mind was New
Year's of 1992.
We would all go down to LA forthe event, get bussed down there
.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
And then there would be a party afterwards at a hotel
.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
The Bonaventure.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yes, that's right Was it, the Bonaventure.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
There was another one we used to do too.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
There was another one I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Park Plaza.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Biltmore.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Biltmore yeah.
It was like downtown LA, likereally downtown LA.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yes, that's right, like the kind of downtown LA
that people don't even go to.
I totally forgot about this.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yes, yeah, and so there were a few In the early
days.
It was at those events, atthose hotels, that staff were
allowed to drink.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
So there was a time that one staff member got
completely drunk and waswandering around downtown LA
lost.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yes, that's right and there was one guy his name was
Spike Bush and he got drunk andhe was going a wrong way down a
street in downtown LA and he gotpulled over by the cops and the
cop said sir, didn't you seethose arrows back there?
(14:52):
And he goes arrows.
I didn't even see the Indians.
And the cop let him go, so turnaround sir.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, oh my gosh, some people got a little lit up.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, anyway, so's a turnaround, sir.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Some people got a little lit up.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, anyway.
So at that event it was likeprotocol.
Basically it was expected thatyou would go up to David
Miscavige and say Happy New Year, sir, and whatever you would do
.
So you and I went and did thatand he kind of looked at us both
weird and he was like so youguys, brother and sister, or
(15:32):
husband and wife, and we werelike what and didn't even know
that your sister was somebodycompletely different.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yes, he did.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, anyway.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Because my sister also worked at the headquarters
there.
Yes, and he knew theheadquarters there.
Yes, and he knew who she was.
Yeah, and we did have the samelast name at that time.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Anyway, another good story was fast forward 1995, I
want to say, Was it 95, or wasit 94 or 93 when I got back from
Denmark and all that otherstuff?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
That was 93, 94.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, let's say it's 94.
Yeah, there's an event thatsomebody can easily look up and
see what it is on the internet,but it was right before a
SeaWorld day it was, so it wasprobably August of 1994.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And and I had just gotten in big trouble with him
in Florida which is a wholebunch of other stories, but it's
in my book If you want to readthose.
Those are long, those aren'tgoing to make it into a short
video like this.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
No.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
But me and this other guy got sent back from Florida
for messing up a film showingthat he was doing, because we
were basically playing it forsomebody else before and we had
to turn off the subs in order toplay it for them.
And then, when we played theactual film, after he announced
it, we forgot to punch the subsback in.
So there was no low end on thesoundtrack.
(17:02):
There was no low end on thesoundtrack and he was really mad
because he spent like sixmonths fixing the low end of the
movie soundtrack and wecouldn't hear any of that Anyway
.
So we got sent back it's calledgetting sent back to the base
in a body bag.
We basically got bagged up andescorted back to the property by
security from Florida formessing up, not playing this up.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, and so what did that look like?
Did you actually have asecurity escort on the flight
home?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
No, they took us directly to the airport.
They put us on the plane like akid, and then somebody met us
at the other end kind of thing.
Yeah, Unaccompanied minors.
It was that kind of drill, butfor adults.
Yeah, and in more severe casesthey do send people on the plane
.
Yes, if they thought we weregoing to escape, they would have
(17:54):
sent somebody with us to sitwith us on the plane.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Both of you were married.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, we were both married and both of your wives
were at—.
His wife worked for DavidMiscavige.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yes, that's right, and my wife worked in well at
that time you weren't in RTC.
No, I was in Golden EraProductions.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Anyway.
So we get back.
I'm in big trouble.
He announces he basically whatthey call a base briefing.
He tells the entire crew of theinternational base at an
assembly where it's mandatorythat every single person goes to
that and he basically toldeverybody I was a shit stick and
told me basically tells thestory of how we screwed up his
(18:31):
film opening and embarrassed himand embarrassed the Sea Org and
embarrassed Golden ArrowProductions and blah, blah, blah
Anyway.
So the next day it's Sea Orgday, which is the one day off
you get as a Sea Org member.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Well off.
Well, you got to play teamgames.
You got to do team games, yougot to do stuff, but you're not
working.
Yes, correct.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
But yes, you are in.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
It's like the only day of the year that you don't
have a battle plan.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
But you have to participate in mandatory team
games with everybody else thatyou work with all day, every day
anyway, yeah, tug of war yeahlike we haven't done enough team
activities over the 100 hours aweek, Anyway.
So we're sitting.
So then they have an event andif you're a good Sea Org member,
you get the day off, you get toplay and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And you might even get promoted.
That's the one time of the yearthat you're.
Well, it's not the one time ofthe year, but it's the usually
designated time of year whereyou are allowed to submit
basically a whole packageproposal showing how you've been
performing.
You don't have nasty knowledgereports written on you, you're
(19:43):
on schedule, you do your study,you're advancing your knowledge
of Scientology, your statisticsare up and you can submit to the
OSB right.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
The Officer Selection Board.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, Officer.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Selection.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Board to apply for a raise in rank.
So post swamper petty officer,first class, second class chief
petty officer, midshipmanwarrant officer ensign.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Lieutenant.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, that's right, lieutenant.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Junior grade.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, Lieutenant, junior grade Lieutenant, and
then it's a bunch of nonsense,guys.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And there's not not a lot of, there's not a lot of
officers floating around, andthe ones that are floating
around dingleberry brains,they're not, they don't deserve
it, nobody.
It's all just a bunch ofmade-up stuff.
But if you are, uh, if you'reclose to david miscavige and
you're getting stuff done, thenyou're gonna get uh rank.
You'll get promoted, yes, butyou can also be easily demoted.
(20:48):
In an afternoon.
He can say you, you lose allrank, you're a swamper again.
And he did that to the entireproperty at one point yeah he
took everyone, demoted everyoneblanket to the bottom in one
briefing.
Yeah, anyway, so, anyway, so,but the next, so I didn't get
promoted.
Spoiler alert he does a roaston me the night before for the
(21:11):
base briefing.
And then the next day is SeaOrg Day.
People get.
They do ceremonies and give outrings for people who've been in
the Sea Org for 25 years ormore.
They used to give them therings.
Now Catherine said she had topay for hers and it was a pin or
something like that, but shehad to pay for it.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, and it wasn't a ring.
Yeah, the rings were gettingtoo expensive For 25 years to
get a ring, and then they do abait and switch and now it's a
pin that you have to pay for, orsomething like that.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Anyway, claire and I remember this like it was
yesterday, claire and I aresitting on these bleachers
outside and it's almostnighttime at this point.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
It's very late in the day and it's funny that you
mention that because literallylike you start talking about it
and I remember exactly where wewere.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Right where those trees, that kind of parking area
was.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Behind the studio the gym, the studio gym, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Anyway, we're sitting there on the bleaches,
Everybody's kind of left and Idon't get to party or have any
fun at this thing.
I have to go back to the galleyand scrub the floors or
something like that.
Yeah, and you had just gottenback, you were restricted to the
property I hadn't seen you inmonths, well, almost like a half
a year or more, because I wasin Denmark before I was in.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Florida, so I was just trying to see you just for
a few minutes.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah.
So we were just sitting thereon the bleaches and he walks up
and I'm just like, oh man, herewe go, and he walks up and he
goes rough week, huh.
And I go, yeah, and he goes.
Even your guy tried to takehimself out.
And I'm like my guy, and theday before the lead singer of
(22:53):
Depeche Mode had like an OD orsomething like that, a drug
overdose, or you try to commitsuicide or something like that.
And he knew that and he knewthat I was a big Depeche Mode
fan.
And he's like, yeah, even yourguy tried to take himself out
and I was like my guy, what areyou talking about?
And then he says this and I'mjust like, dude, what is wrong
(23:15):
with you, man?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
That's what you're thinking.
No, yeah, I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I was like yeah, yeah it happened too, and um, and
then he just laughed, he justwalked off and was laughing.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
But that was the time too that he he said oh yeah,
you're still.
And like oh, you're stillmarried to him yeah, that's
right, like wow and wow.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
And then he left.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Anyway.
So he's just a fucking douchecanoe.
He's an asshole.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
He does asshole-ish things.
And factor in this was 1995,before things started getting
really, really bad.
We've talked before about thefirst time you saw him
physically abuse a staff member,the first time I saw him
physically abuse a staff member.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
For me it was 1996.
Yeah, for me it was in like1990.
Right, right, like, a fewmonths after I was there, he
beat up Mark Fisher.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Peeling the onion on YouTube Mark Fisher and Janice
Grady.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, Okay, you reminded me of another one.
So this was another Sea Org Day, and now I was working in
Religious Technology Center, andso David Miscavige would always
keep a very close circle ofonly his most trusted confidence
around him, which at that timeincluded his wife Shelley
Miscavige.
At that time included his wife,Shelley Miscavige, Larese
(24:36):
Stukenbrock, Marty Rathbun, GregWilhair, those kind of
characters, and other than thathe would very less and less.
He was becoming more and moreisolated from the rest of the
general staff.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
And more and more paranoid that they were out to
get him right.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, he would every meeting he would.
If the water bottle had beencracked, he would just throw it
and say give me a new one.
It's not been opened because Idon't know what you guys are.
He would tell us in the meetingI know you guys are going to
poison me one day it's not goingto be today and you just get a
new bottle of water and you justbe like dude.
We're not like where do we getaccess to poison?
(25:16):
Come on, we don't have access.
If we had access, that'd be awhole nother thing.
We don't have access to poison.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Oh, my goodness, Anyhow.
So this was.
I remember it was either 1997or 1998.
But either way, it was one ofthe few times that all the RTC
staff, after the Sea Orc Dayceremony, went to the ship.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
And we're just kind of mingling there with our- the
ship is the Clipper Ship, theStar of California.
It's a Clipper Ship that isbuilt in the middle of the
desert with masts and a deck andthere's a pool inside the deck
and a whole thing.
There is a Clipper Ship whenyou're driving through the
desert, with masts and a deckand there's a pool inside the
deck and a whole thing.
There is a clipper ship whenyou're driving through the
desert.
If you look off, if you'regoing east on Highway 79 through
(26:04):
Gilman Hot Springs, you take apeek over to your left when
you're driving through andthere's a clipper ship there.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
And that's where that was RTCs and David Miscavige's
sort of like personal spacewhere they could hang out.
Yes, mostly David Miscavige,but also RTC would have small
like events or org awards orsomething they would have at
that part of the property.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yes, exactly.
So we were told oh, go to theship, for I guess there was
snacks.
I don't remember there beingfood, I just remember the
Martinellis, because we weren'tallowed to have champagne, so it
was Martinellis.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
They do a lot of Martinelli toasts in the Sea Org
station.
You drink a lot of apple cider,sparkling apple cider, in your
Sea Org career to have all theevents and everything.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yes, exactly.
Anyhow, David Miscavige wastalking to Marty Rathbun, Greg
Wilhair, Norman Starkey andLarissa and Shelley were there
too, and we were all in theuniforms, having just come from
the ceremony.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
And he was going on and on about how Norman Starkey
knew where the body bags were.
Yeah, marky knew where the bodybags were and he didn't
elaborate on that to say exactlywhat he was talking about.
Yeah, but it absolutelyconfirmed my understanding that
there were a select few peoplethat knew deep, dark, dirty
(27:32):
secrets.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
About Dave.
Whatever those were, yes AboutDave, exactly yes.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, that was very apparent over the years that he
knew a lot about them.
In the past, david Miscavigeknew the secrets of all the
other executives and they, butthey also gave off the vibe that
they knew shit about him.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
And that's a good.
That's a good point.
There was a.
I like that.
That's a good story becausethat makes me think of this
story, which is we were in ameeting with David Miscavige and
(28:12):
he said he was trying to dunkon Lyman in the meeting and
Lyman Spurlock had been.
He worked at Author Serviceswith David Miscavige when David
Miscavige was chairman of theboard.
Author.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Services.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yes, which is like LRH's agent organization that
collects royalties foreverything that Scientology uses
.
Every time they sell a course,every time they sell a lecture,
every time they sell anythingthat has L Ron Hubbard on it,
they have to pay a licensing feeor royalty to author services.
And so david miscavige wastalking about how these
(28:42):
scientists came to davidmiscavige and author services
and said hey, we want to, wewant you to invest in this
project that we're doing.
That's going to make billionsand billions of dollars.
And david miscavige said okay,so Pete and Lyman, go meet with
these guys and find out whatit's all about.
So Pete and Lyman meet withthese scientists and they're
(29:06):
also treasure hunters and theybasically told Lyman and Pete
that they've studied oceancurrents and where treasures
will have drifted or will, theyshould have landed after and be
located after so many years,based on the records of when it
(29:29):
crashed and where it crashed andall these other things.
And they're going to go look inthese spots and if they find
them, then they're going to berich from digging up buried gold
and all the treasures that wereon these pirate ships or
whatever, or merchant ships,whatever it is shipwrecks.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And Lyman and Pete are like this is amazing.
This is like a sure thing theseguys are going to do it.
This is a solid thing.
Anyway, David Miscavige hadjust lost $30 million of L Ron
Hubbard's money in badinvestments that he had done.
I think it was mainly tied tofake oil wells in Oklahoma, like
(30:10):
they got sold wells that didn'texist or something some sort of
thing, but it was $30 millionpoof gone and so they need to
come up with this money.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
They bought, purchased real estate rights for
Mars and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Space cooties scammed them out of a bunch of do-re-mi
, Anyway.
Oh, I got space cootie noises.
I don't know if you guys canhear the space cooties, but
they're landing on our houseright now.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Let us know if you can hear that.
Yeah, mark loves his soundeffects, oops.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Might be some space kitties around here somewhere.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Anyway, somehow.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I hope they can hear that.
It's going to look really sillyif we're reacting to the sounds
and they can't even hear themyeah.
We'll have to look, okay, so hetells us.
The story he tells us is thatLyman and Pete this is Pete
Bleca.
He used to work for me.
After he was busted out offinance he worked for me and set
some props he's an amazingcarpenter Shout out to Pete
(31:10):
You're a good guy.
Okay, the story he tells it isthat Lyman and Pete thought it
was a bad idea and we didn't doit.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yes.
Okay, and that's the and thenno, no, no, and then that's a
David Miscavige trademark.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
It's always somebody else's fault.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
He always overrides your good idea.
And if it's a good idea andthen we don't do it, he said to
do it and you said not to do it,or you never had the idea or
whatever, who knows.
But if it was a bad idea and hesaid I think we should do this
and you said no, no, this is nota good idea.
And then you did it and itturned out bad, he'd be like,
(31:51):
yeah, claire came up with themost horrible idea and you're
just like what?
It was your idea, anyway.
So we have the meeting.
Lyman leaves.
Lyman's now a big executive.
He's like finance director orhe worked in RTC or whatever his
post was.
Yeah, he was one of the peoplevery, very involved in the legal
(32:18):
corporate sort out.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
And getting the IRS tax exempt status and all that,
oh, that's a bummer.
People could not hear yoursound effects.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Oh, they couldn't.
No, oh well, sucks to suck itwas fun for us.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
It's just a way to bring some laughter into a dark
subject.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I might end up messing up this whole setup if I
do it.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I will say, speaking of treasure hunting or whatever
treasure and all that in JaniceGrady's book.
She covers the mission intotime, where Hubbard remembered
where he'd hidden treasure fromprevious lifetimes, and then
they did a mission to go findthose treasures.
(33:01):
And it was so funny that werecently learned L Ron Hubbard
is not the only cult leader thathas done that exact same thing.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Anyway, that's off topic but it just reminded me of
it.
But the only reason I wanted totell the story is because then,
after the meeting, I went backto CINI where I worked and Pete
was there, yes, and I was like,hey, pete, were you around an
ASI around this time?
And he goes yeah, yeah, yeah,and I go.
You know about these treasurehunter things?
He goes oh yeah, we so screwedup.
(33:34):
We told Dave to do it, but hedidn't want to do it and I was
like wait a minute.
He said you guys didn't want todo it.
He goes oh, no way, lyman, andI thought it was a sure thing.
We 100% were like we absolutelyshould put as much towards this
as possible.
And he was like, no, dave wasall worried because he had just
(33:56):
lost that money he got, they gotscammed and so he was a little
gun shy and so they didn't do itanyway.
The, the the punch line is thatthere's a book and it's called
the deep blue sea and you canbuy the book and it's the story
of what, how these scientistsdid this and how they came up
with billions and billions ofdollars with the treasure.
(34:17):
But in the book it tells thestory of them going to see
Scientology and pitching it tothem it's in the book Anyway.
So that's like some serious,deep, deep, deep undercover
stories.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
David Miscavige's lose $30 million and then
doesn't end up getting billionsin profit because they didn't
invest with these guys.
What's another story?
Maybe another money-relatedstory that you know of?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Well, I was thinking of I think I saw somebody ask in
chat what does David Miscavigedo on the day-to-day?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
What does his day look like?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
And.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I thought that we could talk about this because of
the fact that his dayillustrates how much he runs
everything in.
Scientology everything, oh 100%In Scientology, but yeah, so
he's the only, or one of theonly, members of the Sea
Organization that's not requiredto adhere to a schedule.
(35:26):
He sets his own schedule.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Okay, no, he is the only possible Sea Organization
member that just does whateverthey want, whenever they want.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Of course he is.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Of course it goes without saying, he is the boss.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
He's the boss of the fake navy, so fake navy davy
gets to do whatever the fakenavy davy wants right.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
So during the years that we were there, um david
miscavige slept in one room,shelly slept in a different room
and um his one of his stewardswould wake him up in the morning
yeah or usually around noon, Iwould say noon is usually when
(36:03):
we started kind of after lunchmorning after lunch is usually
when it'd be like up dave's up,he just got somebody, just got a
call or something.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Then you know like up be ready yeah, it's on.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
yeah, like he never came around in the mornings
Because management.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
That was safe.
That was a safe space.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, nine to noon it was the only time that you
weren't like, didn't have to beon edge.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
If you need to get any work done, do it then,
because the rest of the dayyou're going to be in meetings.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, he would start with,you know, coffee, breakfast,
whatever in the Loa Villa, whichis where he lived, and he would
handle his morning trafficright.
That's what it was referred to,as was traffic, and read the
(36:52):
reports from Office of SpecialAffairs.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Daily reports of all the legal threats, all the
attacks.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
The data pack yeah, so any press that came out, any
anything?
Oh, osa update yeah, the.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
OSA press update.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
They would have a pack sent to him from every
single publication magazine.
Anything in the world that theymentioned Scientology, it had
to be in this pack.
Anything in the world, yeah,was in this pack that went to
him.
And so if there was a storythat got run in the AP Newswire,
(37:24):
there might be 30 articles.
It would just be every singleone that went out in every
single market and exactly whatit said.
And then sometimes there'd be alittle cover note or a little
summary from OSA on what's beingdone to deal with this If it's
particularly inflammable, likethey're beating people they're
(37:45):
doing things.
What did I say?
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Inflammable.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
That's right If it's inflammable.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
That's even worse.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Inflammatory.
Anything anti-Scientology wouldbe in the press update and if
there was something good, it wasusually in the very, very back
and it would just be like, hey,Christmas Winterland is opened
up and Scientology sponsored it.
Yay for them.
And there'd be like one or twoof those, but almost all of it
(38:14):
was bad.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yes, completely.
It was all N theta as it'sreferred to in the Scientology.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah, and that's got to be on his desk when he gets
up.
That's right.
It's got to be right there inthe middle of the desk waiting
for him.
And then also there'd be who,if anybody escaped the property
that day or the day before, andall the people that were on the
perimeter list that were beingwatched, that might try and
escape from the property.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
The reason it was called the perimeter list is
because if they breach theperimeter, they get on the
perimeter list.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yep Exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Oh, we got a super chat, debbie, thank you for that
.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Oh, thanks.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
What's it saying?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Love you both.
Love Mark's personality.
Yeah, he's special Good I'mgood.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah, he's special I'm good, I'm good, damn I'm
good.
Just ask me, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
His favorite saying in the world.
He says that at least 10 timesa day.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Oh, she sent a super sticker too.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Oh my goodness.
Thanks, debbie.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Maybe she didn't know .
She sent the first one.
She was worried we didn't readit.
She just doubled down.
Thanks, generous of you.
Yeah, so that's just thebeginning of the day.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Just the start, yeah, and then oftentimes like, if
there's specific projects he'srunning, he'll have a daily
report from them.
He'll have a daily report fromReligious Technology Center.
Very often he would have adaily report from the management
executives.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
He'd have a daily report from Golden Air
Productions.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yep, that's right.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
He'd have one from the landlord office of all the
properties and all therenovations and the ideal orgs
that are being built, yep.
He'd have one from Flag onwhere they stood on all their
different programs and buildingprojects and anything that's
happening there.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yep.
He would have daily reportsfrom the Religious Technology
Center representatives, like theones at FLAG, the ones from UK,
the ones from Australia, europe.
Yeah, exactly so like piles andpiles and piles of things to
(40:14):
read up on.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
And then he'd have one from CST on all of the
preservation of the technology,the gold discs and the nickel
plates and the titanium capsules.
And then he'd also have onefrom author services.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yep, and then if there were specific legal
situations or specific thingsthat he had issued orders on to
get you know whatever, then hewould have specific reports on
those as well.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Ah yes, the International Association of
Scientologists.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yep, and then let's see.
Then usually first up he wouldhave calls with attorneys on
legal matters and everythingelse before he started making
the rounds for meetings.
He would take care of thosethings next and that would just
(41:08):
be with, like Marty Rathbun,sometimes Mike Warren McShane
and Shelley and Larice.
Nobody else got to see or attendthose meetings, those calls
(41:29):
with attorneys specifically, andthen most often he would then
go meet with managementexecutives on whatever the flap
of the day was If it's anupcoming event, that would
become the theme of the day waslike if it's an upcoming event,
that would become the the themeof the well, if there was an
event coming up, we wouldusually be having meetings.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
The whole event executive structure would meet
with him in down in the cineconference rooms, lodges, the
lower lodges, and that's anothervideo we should do.
We should do the tour of thebase, the drone footage.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Oh yeah, we've talked about that.
Yeah, we keep forgetting.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, so we would meet there, and that meeting
could start around 5 o'clock andgo until midnight, yeah, and
then the next day it would belike why didn't you get anything
done?
It'd be like we were with youthe whole night and we told
everybody what we were supposedto do, and they were.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
It was midnight, everybody went home and now it's
morning, and sometimes thosemeetings would go until like
three or four o'clock in themorning.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Sometimes you'd literally get out of the meeting
.
You're like there's no morebuses, there's no more anything.
Now, somehow we have to figureout how we're going to get home,
or we're just going to, andthen what else?
What about how?
He would normally be up tilllike three or four in the
morning every night?
He never was.
(42:48):
He never.
It wasn't like 10 o'clock peaceout, bitches.
It would be like you would bein a meeting with him at 2.30.
And then he's like and he wouldalways complain too Like, yeah,
now, when I'm done with this,I've been meeting with you guys
all day doing your jobs.
When I'm done, I have to go anddo my entire days of work that
(43:08):
I was supposed to do for my job.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yeah, and his office was always full with stacks and
stacks and stacks and stacks andstacks of submissions, even
down to, like, the replacing thecarpet in the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
No, when they put those mops under those rubber
mats under the urinals.
So if somebody tinkled on thefloor it wouldn't show up on the
floor.
He had to order that and get acompliance report and then say,
good, very well done on buyingsome rubber mats and putting
them under the urinals.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yes, because anytime he issued an order, it was
absolute priority that thatorder had to get complied with
and a compliance reportsubmitted to him to show him
that his order had been done.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah, so if he went into the urinals at 2 o'clock in
the afternoon in the dininghall and then Axel Axel was the
MCI sanitation engineer- yes.
Massacre Canyon Inn.
That's where it was our dininghall's name, because there was a
massacre in a canyon that wasright near the inn that it used
(44:17):
to be, so they called it MCIMassacre Canyon Inn.
And this guy's mopping in thefloors and Dave walks in there
to take a a leak and he goes youshould really put some rubber
mats under these.
That's like, let's say that'slike, at 2.30.
By dinnertime somebody has goneout, bought mats wherever you
buy piss mats from for urinals.
(44:38):
They've gone out and gottenthose.
Put those in there.
Axel has to write a compliancereport.
What was ordered?
What was done?
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Don't forget First he has to get the purchase order
approved.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Well, usually if Dave says you need to buy it, then
you buy it.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
He's just going to pay for it out of his pocket,
out of his $40 a week.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah, to comply.
So then he has to send acompliance report what was done
no, what was ordered, what wasdone.
And evidence report what wasdone no, what was ordered, what
was done.
and evidence and almost alwaysevidence is just a polaroid yep
here's a picture of a piss matunder urinal and then that goes
to david miscavige and thendavid miscavige is like, see,
this kid gets what I, what Iwant done.
(45:16):
And it's like, really, he askedfor a piss mat, not a goddamn 7
000 cds in the next two secondsyeah, exactly, yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Okay, I think we should do some questions.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Oh, you do.
Yeah, because once again folksCDs in the next two seconds.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Oh my gosh, yeah.
Okay, I think we should do somequestions.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Oh, you do.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah, because once again folks did you point this
live to the Foundation Feedepisode.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
I didn't, but I can.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Okay, good, yeah, so after this, in 15 minutes, phil
Jones and I will be doingFoundation Feed Series number
eight, talking about news andupdates of the Michael J Render
Aftermath Foundation.
We hope you will join us there.
Mark is going to fix it so wewill redirect automatically,
which I appreciate the support,honey, thank you.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Oh, I did do it.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
In my infinite wisdom .
I already did it In yourinfinite wisdom.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
All right, so we'll do some questions, then we'll do
a giveaway, and then we can doa couple last stories before
we're out of time.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Okay, here we go.
Okay, I'm just going to put upa starred one here and it's a
question.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Okay, this is a genuine question.
Do you think he is, or has been, on drugs?
So many stories make him soundlike he's on cocaine or steroids
with all his energy and anger.
Yeah, steroids wouldn'tsurprise me.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Human growth hormone.
Well, he was definitely jammingthat HGH nonstop.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, for sure.
Alcohol is what I know for sure.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I think McAllen's or McAllen's I think, I think so
yeah.
Tom DeVock would know.
Tom DeVock would go up thereand he'd be like, hey, have a
drink.
And then Tom be like, okay,yeah, and he would cheat.
Well, they played some game.
I don't know the game, I'venever played it.
It's the one with the littlelike the little beads that go
(47:01):
around, has like the triangles.
I don't know the name of itbackgammon yeah, maybe I don't
know.
Anyway, he would cheat, and ifyou, if you didn't let him win,
he'd get pissy yeah yep, but Idon't know about the drugs other
than hgh yeah, for sure and hewas.
There was a time period wherehe was doing a ton of working
out and, yeah, he was trying tobe dr buffenheimer smith because
(47:28):
he was hanging out with mrrisky business buffenheimer
smith.
I like that one yeah, well, mr,risky business is like ripping
it up full time, yeah, and davewas like, hey, uh, what's up
with that?
And then tom's like, well, hey,dr, flabby, flabby, stabby you
gotta yeah, his davidmiscavige's um questionable
(47:49):
friendship with tom cruisebromance bromance, please,
that's absolutely a huge elementof shelly miscavige's
disappearance right it was she'slike dude, you went on the
freaking honeymoon.
What's up with that?
Yeah he went on Tom Cruise'shoneymoon with Katie Holmes.
David Miscavige went on thehoneymoon.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Third wheel much.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
On the honeymoon.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Oh my goodness, it's gotta be.
I mean that's just no, I knowand like-.
That's not normal in theregular world, much less in the
Scientology world.
Nobody thinks that's normal.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Nobody is like yeah, bro.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, that totally makes sense, of course I'm
coming.
Where's your wife?
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Oh man, screw her.
Just me and you, Ben.
I don't need my wife on thistrip.
They did bring Tommy Davis andJessica Feshback.
They went too.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
But they were like kind of being their assistants,
I guess, or whatever they werecalling it.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, no, Tommy Davis was definitely being Tom
Cruise's assistant.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Scientology assistant , Assisting in all things.
He was a member of the SeaOrganization and he, literally,
was his assistant.
You know what's also funny Ifyou look, if you just look up
Tom Cruise, david Miscavige,honeymoon there's pictures.
But there's a picture of TommyDavis.
He has I think it's on this arm.
He has a Sea Org symboltattooed on his arm.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Oh dude, I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
Tommy Davis does yes he does.
At least I have Depeche Mode.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Yeah, I know Like wow , really the Sea Org who does
that.
He's actually the only person.
I don't know of any otherperson in the Sea Org who's ever
had a Sea Org?
Speaker 1 (49:22):
you don't get a tattoo after you join the Sea.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Org.
So here's the burning question.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Do you think he still has it now that he's not in?
Speaker 1 (49:29):
the Sea Org anymore.
I don't know, that's a roughone.
Would he have gotten it lasered?
You could get him lasered offnow.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, I know, but still, that's a lot.
That is a lot.
But yeah, david Misca cruiseshoneymoon with katie holmes,
yeah guys inappropriate okay,yep, yep, completely all right,
let's do a few more questions.
So we have 10 minutes leftbasically oh, here's another one
okay, code monkey.
(49:55):
Fun aside, I know this episodeis hard for you both.
No one should forget davidmiscavige verbally and
physically abused.
You too, yeah, for sure well,yeah, he's.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
that's why I say he's a douche nozzle.
Why do you think we're tellingthis story, the worst that he
ever did to me personally?
Thank you for that Code monkey.
Is that code monkey?
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah it was code monkey.
The worst he did to mepersonally was that it was more
like absolute intendedhumiliation and degradation than
actually like being punched orsomething.
Yeah, and degradation thanactually like being punched or
something.
But there was a time thatmyself, warren McShane, who is
the legal RTC guy, fleur Thomas,who is Larissa's sister, and
(50:38):
Antonella Teasy was there too,who she's now one of Shelley's
dedicated handlers.
So it was us.
So we were called up to theupper villa, which was where
David Miscavige's office was atthe time, and he was just going
off on us about some I think itwas during the time of the Lisa
(50:59):
McPherson lawsuit pending andall of that.
So he was commonly flying offthe handle and he literally said
to me stand in front of me.
And so I stood in front of himand he grabbed the back of my
pants and made me just drag himacross the room and he's like
pull harder, pull harder.
And I'm like.
(51:19):
I'm literally like it's likehorse and cart type thing And-.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
He was holding on to you, but he wanted you to walk
and pull him around.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
I had to drag him across the room and he's like
this is what you guys are to me.
You're my ball and chain.
That was what he was trying toillustrate.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Anyway, like you said , douche canoe.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Yeah, screw that guy.
Okay, oh, here we get anothersuper sticker angel cat.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Thank you, people are doing, thank you for that guys
we don't usually.
I mean, that's not, weappreciate it yeah, we do, we
appreciate um we don't domemberships on this channel
because we want anyone to justbe open.
Open platform if you if youwant to support our work, great
it's.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yeah, I don't even think we were.
We were thinking about.
I was trying to like, what ifwe got a sponsor or something
like that?
That would help it.
We could do more stuff.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
But then I was like, who are we going to?
We have to get like Delete Meor something like you know that
gets your information off theinternet.
It's a Scientology, can't getit.
We go for mando or, uh, youknow, some deodorant or some
kind of uh nonsense.
(52:31):
We'll see um, but if somebodywants to sponsor the channel,
yeah, feel free to contact us.
For sure, um, we can't make anypromises, yeah, um, should we
do the um?
Remember, we are gonna do.
Oh, did I have to take that oneoff there?
you go we do still have the fakeNavy doll contest going, guys.
So remember, at the end of eachmonth we're going to collect up
(52:51):
all the photos.
We've been getting tons ofphotos in from people.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
We have Thank you to everyone who's been sending
photos.
So yes, we will.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Oh look, I can be in both shots at the same time.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Look at that, oh look , I can be in both shots at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
Movie magic.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
We're going to pick some winners at the end of each
month.
You just send a picture withyour funny Davy doll and the
prizes are.
You get to win a Mike Rinder ora Leah Clara just commented.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
She said I know this company called Mode.
They could sponsor you.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah, no, no, that's not happening.
Okay, what else Should we do agiveaway?
Yeah, let's do a giveaway.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Okay, and again, while we're doing this contest
for September, we'll pick thewinner.
The next live we do in October,so we'll take submissions up
until we do the draw and thenwe'll start over again.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Okay, I'm doing it.
Oh, I saw Shannon.
Oh, shannon got two things.
It dumped her.
Oh, code Monkey almost got it,jeangal.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Jeangal, congratulations or.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Jeanygal Yep or Jeangal.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Jeangal.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Or whatever way you say it, which we don't know how.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yes, congratulations.
Yeah, send me an email claireat blownforgoodcom with your
address and you will bereceiving a fake Navy Davey.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Fake Navy Davey to the rescue.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah, we're trying to get rid of these things, guys.
I got too many of them.
We got to get rid of thesethings, guys.
I got too many of them, we gotto get rid of them.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
We've gotten rid of a ton.
We have, we have the rest toget rid of.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
We got to get rid of all of them.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
They're limited edition items.
When they're done, they're done.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
We're not making any more after this.
I'm getting out of the merchstorage business.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
And I'm getting out of the merch shipping business.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
I just yeah, realize, every time you order one of
these, I packed it, claireshipped it.
That's how it works.
And yeah, we are anxious tomove all these out, and so the
aftermath can get those thesupport it needs, and then we
can help people with it.
Yep, okay, dalton wants one?
(55:06):
I'll tell Dalton.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
I'll bring him one.
Yeah, there you go, we got you,dalton.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Okay, want to do last questions.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Oh yeah, quick, we got five minutes left before I
have to enter the portal and go.
Okay, okay question why did LRHbase the Sea Org on his
pathetic Navy career?
Yeah, I know, good question,but the actual, actually my
answer to that is he was gettingin so many, so much trouble
with various differentgovernment agencies that you
(55:37):
know lightning.
The bright idea that he had washey, if we're in at sea in
multiple different ports, thenwe will be able to evade said
government agencies and saidgovernmental oversight and we
will become Fabian, as isreferred to, meaning could be
anywhere, at any time.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
Not to be confused with Fabio, which is a totally
separate thing.
When we were.
When he did that, though, Ithink he had such a bad go of it
in the Navy as a subordinate.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
That he was like.
Well, what if I'm the Commodore?
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Right, then you can do whatever you want.
That's right.
You can make it go your way.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
I'm running this.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
You can rewrite history, which he's a huge fan
of doing.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
That's right.
I'm running this whole flotillanow.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Huge fan of doing.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
That's right.
I'm running this whole flotillanow.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Yep Up there.
All right, folks, it's beenreal.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
It's been real, we'll see you next week.
Okay To those of us joining usshortly Thank you, hold on.
I got to make you go away here.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
All right, make me go away.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
Poof.
There you go, she's gone.
Um, I, we, they can hear yousnickering though.
Um, yeah, don't forget guys, uh, submit your photos for the
fake navy davy contest.
Um, go to this uh websiteblowforgoodcom.
Slash forward, slash, contactus and you can submit the photo
(56:57):
there.
You can give us a little blurbor contact if you want us to uh
know who you are.
So if you win, we can send youa prize.
And yeah, that's what's doing.
Oh, I put the wrong thing upagain.
We got an empty chair there,chair the Claire chair.
Let's see, maybe we should.
(57:21):
This is from Apostate Alex.
Maybe we should start sendinghim a daily SP report updating
him on the number of people whohave left and increasing
pressure from governmentofficials.
He's getting that report anyway.
Osa's doing that.
Yeah, no, we don't need toreport anything up.
We just do what we do and he'llfind out.
He'll get the memo.
Oh, yeah, oh yeah.
(57:42):
Alex had these dolls in the UKand he brought them to his
protest that they are doing atthe St Hill Manor, east
Grinstead, sussex, and they saidthat these caused alarm and
distress.
That's outrageous Alarm anddistress.
(58:05):
This guy doesn't do anythingexcept for bring whimsical
happiness and smiles.
Um, yeah, that's uh, that'spretty ridiculous.
Um, what time is it?
Where am I going here?
Oh, yeah, I'm getting rapid uphere.
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good Scientology
Exposed.
Is it Scientology?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Exposed.
We go through this every week.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm joined here today by my lovely wife Claire.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey, hey, hey, everybody, Good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, we've got a fun episode for you guys today.
We're going to talk about theleader of Scientology, david
Miscavige.
The leader of Scientology,david Miscavige, and we're going
to tell you personal storiesabout maybe things we witnessed
in private with him, or maybethings we witnessed in public
(00:55):
with him, or even things that wewitnessed while we were in
meetings or just in ourday-to-day lives and working at
the international headquartersof Scientology in Gilman Hot
Springs, california, and I justwanted to bring up a picture of
good old Davey just to let's see, do we have it here?
There we go?
(01:15):
Oops, that's what DavidMiscavige looks like right there
.
For anybody who is wondering ifthis picture is Photoshopped,
this is not a Photoshoppedpicture.
This is an actual picture thatScientology published of David
Miscavige in a magazine or somesort of thing, and you can see
(01:40):
that he's got quite the SeaOrgorg uh campaign ribbon
collection going there he suredoes, like I think they should.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It should be going further down, but every one of
those is a mission campaign barthat's right, so it's for
various different things.
And then I think he also hasthe star which was like awarded
only by elrond personalation ora very well done from the
Commodore.
Yes, that's right.
He's one of the only Sea Orgmembers that have that.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, and there's actually a Sea Org issue.
Maybe it's on the interwebsomewhere.
I've seen it.
Obviously, I saw it when I wasin the Sea Org.
But it actually explains whatevery single one of those
ribbons is.
And, to be honest, davidMiscavige could very likely
claim to have double this amountof ribbons, because these are
(02:35):
only like building the winterheadquarters, building the
summer headquarters forScientology, building Golden Air
Productions, building the L RonHubbard Music Studio, building
all the manufacturing lines atGolden Air Productions All these
different things equal a SeaOrg accomplishment that you've
got.
And all Sea Org members in theearly days, probably up until
(02:59):
the 2000s, were encouraged towear these when we had like a
special ceremonial where wewould wear our whites.
Those were our spiffy Sea Orgduds.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, well, before we get into our talk for today,
should we give a few shout outsto the people joining us.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Oh yeah, we can do that, we can do that.
I forgot.
Some people don't like it whenwe spend the whole first five
minutes of the video sayingwhere everybody's coming from.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I know there's just a reason we do it.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, we like to acknowledge the community.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
And also just let people show up.
You know it is a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
That is true, we're not slave drivers.
Okay, here Let me put us upinto there we go there, we go
there we go and then you canread these things.
Why do you look darker?
For some reason.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I don't know either.
Hold on a second.
Let me do something.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
While you mess with that here, I'll put this up.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Oh no, I can't do everything at once.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, doodle Dom.
Hello from Cologne, germany.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I don't know how to do this.
While I'm in it, let me see.
Here we go.
Let's see, does this make you?
Nope, I'm brightening upanother camera somewhere here.
Let's just see this for asecond.
Okay, there we go.
Now I know what to do.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Oh, I'm in Double player.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Replicate.
There we go.
That's a little up, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Okay, amy, I should be prepping for work, but here I
am.
Yay, cher, hello from theNetherlands.
We love our Netherlands people.
Mary Kay London, hi fromAlbuquerque, new Mexico.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
We got London from New Mexico and then we got
Cupcake from London.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
There you go, Love Food Kitchen.
Look at the ribbons on thatuniform.
I bet there's one for bestsweater in the Sea Org no
swearer.
Oh, swearer, yes.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Sweater would be good too, because in that we Stand
Tall video he's wearing thatHermes Funkadelic sweater.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, swearer, for sure he is definitely, and I
missed the other part, butthat's okay.
Definitely he's a sweater, forsure he is definitely, and I
missed the other part, butthat's okay, definitely highest
hair on TGX.
Most sounds like he has anentire mouthful of marbles when
speaking.
All right, good evening allfrom Nova Scotia.
Hi, caitlin, becky, big brotherfan Reading, berkshire, nice.
(05:23):
Jennifer from Mississippi,thomas from Rendsburg, germany.
Awesome.
Hello from Washington, codeMonkey.
Hello from the Shadow, theVentura Ideal Org.
Ali good evening or Al.
Good evening from England.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's Ali.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Oh, it is Okay.
My contacts are a little blurrytoday.
Christopher hi from Los Feliz.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Los Feliz, that's in California, right near the
Celebrity Center.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
That's where Mary Sue Hubbard lived until she passed.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
In banishment Grace Case.
Hello from Austin, texas, firsttime making it live.
Yay, jack Shaw.
Hello from Austin, texas, firsttime making it live.
Yay, Jack Shaw.
Howdy from Henderson, nevada,zenuwight.
Good afternoon from Austin,texas.
Awesome.
Hi guys and gals from Reading,UK, petrina Manon, netherlands,
rl, finally catching a BFG livestream from here in Seattle.
(06:22):
Awesome, thanks for joining us.
Chaotic Canuck.
Hello from Canuck.
Hello from Ontario, canada.
Rose.
Hello from the WillametteValley.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Willametta.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Willamette.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Willamette.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Dave Miscavige, SP, Hi from Santa Barbara California
.
Boomaskatchewan, saskatchewanyeah, there you go, joseph hi
from speedway, indiana awesome,I was just in indiana recently.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yep, um, okay, so are we good, we're gonna.
Can we talk about david davy?
Can we talk about Davey?
Can we talk about one?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
other thing first.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Oh sure.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
So we mentioned last week that we did another podcast
on another channel and we willpost this on the community page,
but part one is coming outtomorrow.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Monday.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, Monday, yes, tomorrow Monday.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Monday tomorrow.
We'll put a link to it on thecommunity page, and it's good.
It's good, we'll put a link toit on the community page, and
it's good, it's good.
You'll like it.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
It'll be great, definitely one of the longest
we've ever done, if not thelongest.
Okay, what are we doing now?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Okay, so let's see if we can put you back.
Put us back.
What do I do here?
Oh my goodness, babe, there wego.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
There we go, there we go.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
There we go.
She's so many fancy things nowI'm trying to think why it goes
dark on her for some reason likethat.
We'll never know.
Okay, so, yes, let's show Daveyhere.
So this is David Miscavige.
Oh man, I see, it's that one Iwanted.
This is a picture of him thatScientology released, and he is
(08:10):
David Miscavige is chairman ofthe Board Religious Technology
Center, which is the highestorganization in all of
Scientology that controlseverything.
And David Miscavige is also thecaptain of the Sea Organization
yes, which he is also thecaptain of the Sea Organization.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Which he is also the leader of the Sea Organization.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And he doesn't like people to know this more
recently.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
He doesn't like people to know that he's a
captain in the Sea Organizationthe fake Navy.
The Scientology's fake Navy.
They wear naval uniforms.
The Scientology's fake Navy.
They wear naval uniforms.
They have naval ranks andratings, birthing, chow hall,
midnight rations, everythingthat Hubbard could steal from
the Navy.
He introduced that and madethat part of the sea
(08:57):
organization.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And, like I said, just so you know this is not
Photoshopped you can see thoseare the bars he has when he's
wearing his whites, but when hewears his blues he has a
slightly different suit up, buthe still has the star, but
because his lapel, or whateverthat is, covers it, he puts it
on the other side.
I think let's see, does he haveit like that in the other one
(09:24):
too?
Maybe he does.
Oh, that's an RTC thing, theone over there.
That's the RTC.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Oh, yeah, the RTC pen .
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Pen.
So maybe he just puts the starabove that and he puts the star
on the other side.
Maybe he's been commended by LRon Hubbard more than once, so
he can rock as many stars as hewants.
Yep, rock as many stars as hewants.
Yep, anyway, and then, just sobecause you guys already saw it,
I messed it up and I had it upthere still from when I was
laughing at it before we started.
That is, I mean, our littlefake Navy.
(09:54):
Davey doll, don't forget,you're going to get these on the
spshopcom.
These go to support theaftermath, helping people escape
Scientology.
Get their feet back on theground.
And Clara.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, I'm going to pull this up.
Clara says I made the colors onthe Davey Navy doll uniforms
match as closely as I possiblycould.
Lol.
Yes, clara, you're amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I mean, even the campaign bars are different
colors.
I mean that's some detail there.
Folks Look at that.
But you know what?
The real fake Navy Davey?
He doesn't have Velcro hands.
I don't know if you know that,but this guy See, look A little
AMSR for you guys.
A little fake Navy Davey, FakeNavy grabbers, those are his
(10:38):
grabbers.
So the real David Miscavigedoesn't have that.
He can't grab onto things likethat.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, he also doesn't have the decorative hat, so we
took some artistic license withthat.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, and this guy's got a good star collar.
You see, that little kind ofelf thing he's rocking.
I don't even know why they didit like that.
Is that the way they are?
Is that the way the elf on theshelves have something like that
?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
too.
They have that collar thingy.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Oh, Is that the way?
The Elf on the Shelves havesomething like that too.
They have that collar thingy.
Oh, so they have matchingcollars, him and the Elf on the
Shelf.
Mm-hmm, so that's anotherselling point.
Guys Didn't even know it, butI'm a poet and I'd love to show
it right here.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
When we first came out with these we were joking
because our kids they really gotinto elf in the shelf, much to
our chagrin.
It was very stressful becausethe days that we would forget to
move the elf then like it waslike oh he, he, maybe he got
touched by accident or the doglicked him and now he needs a
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cinnamon sugar bath to restorehis magical powers yeah, there's
all sorts of.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So then, magic, a lot of magic surrounding these
elves.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, but when we came out with the Davy elves
we're like maybe if they'remisbehaving, the elf won't come
back, but Davy will.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
No, but I also think you're not supposed.
Humans aren't supposed to touchthe elves on the shelves
because they have magic and youdon't want them to lose their
magic.
If you touch them, they losetheir magic.
If you touch them, they losetheir magic.
Davy has no magic no, he has nomagic, he's just he's.
His magic is creating smilesthat's what his magic is and um
and make and spreading happiness.
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But he is a mischievous littledoll yep okay um should we tell
some Davey, fake Navy Daveystories?
We should sell some Dave andMiscavige stories.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yes, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So I was there at the international headquarters from
1990 to 2005.
And I probably went to I mean,I went to a lot of meetings, but
you probably went to a lot moremeetings than I did.
But you were also not always atthe international headquarters.
Sometimes you were in Florida,yep, and so you might have
meetings with him there inFlorida as well.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So why don't you?
You want to start with ameeting, or what's a good story.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
You want to start with so, okay, the first one
that comes to mind justchronologically.
Yeah, so, okay, the first onethat comes to mind just
chronologically.
Yeah, so we were married inAugust 1992.
Yeah, and we've talked abouthow many times over the years,
constantly off and on throughoutthose years, that David
Miscavige was pressuring us todivorce.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, or he was just making fun of us that we were
married.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Or making fun of you that you were married to me.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yes, that's right, like the one time when he was
just making fun of us that wewere married Right, or making
fun of you that you were marriedto me.
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Like the one time when he was like oh, you're
still married to him.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
But the first one that comes to mind was New
Year's of 1992.
We would all go down to LA forthe event, get bussed down there
.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
And then there would be a party afterwards at a hotel
.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
The Bonaventure.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yes, that's right Was it, the Bonaventure.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
There was another one we used to do too.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
There was another one I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Park Plaza.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Biltmore.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Biltmore yeah.
It was like downtown LA, likereally downtown LA.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yes, that's right, like the kind of downtown LA
that people don't even go to.
I totally forgot about this.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yes, yeah, and so there were a few In the early
days.
It was at those events, atthose hotels, that staff were
allowed to drink.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
So there was a time that one staff member got
completely drunk and waswandering around downtown LA
lost.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yes, that's right and there was one guy his name was
Spike Bush and he got drunk andhe was going a wrong way down a
street in downtown LA and he gotpulled over by the cops and the
cop said sir, didn't you seethose arrows back there?
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And he goes arrows.
I didn't even see the Indians.
And the cop let him go, so turnaround sir.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, oh my gosh, some people got a little lit up.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, anyway, so's a turnaround, sir.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Some people got a little lit up.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, anyway.
So at that event it was likeprotocol.
Basically it was expected thatyou would go up to David
Miscavige and say Happy New Year, sir, and whatever you would do
.
So you and I went and did thatand he kind of looked at us both
weird and he was like so youguys, brother and sister, or
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husband and wife, and we werelike what and didn't even know
that your sister was somebodycompletely different.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yes, he did.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, anyway.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Because my sister also worked at the headquarters
there.
Yes, and he knew theheadquarters there.
Yes, and he knew who she was.
Yeah, and we did have the samelast name at that time.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Anyway, another good story was fast forward 1995, I
want to say, Was it 95, or wasit 94 or 93 when I got back from
Denmark and all that otherstuff?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
That was 93, 94.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, let's say it's 94.
Yeah, there's an event thatsomebody can easily look up and
see what it is on the internet,but it was right before a
SeaWorld day it was, so it wasprobably August of 1994.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And and I had just gotten in big trouble with him
in Florida which is a wholebunch of other stories, but it's
in my book If you want to readthose.
Those are long, those aren'tgoing to make it into a short
video like this.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
No.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
But me and this other guy got sent back from Florida
for messing up a film showingthat he was doing, because we
were basically playing it forsomebody else before and we had
to turn off the subs in order toplay it for them.
And then, when we played theactual film, after he announced
it, we forgot to punch the subsback in.
So there was no low end on thesoundtrack.
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There was no low end on thesoundtrack and he was really mad
because he spent like sixmonths fixing the low end of the
movie soundtrack and wecouldn't hear any of that Anyway
.
So we got sent back it's calledgetting sent back to the base
in a body bag.
We basically got bagged up andescorted back to the property by
security from Florida formessing up, not playing this up.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, and so what did that look like?
Did you actually have asecurity escort on the flight
home?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
No, they took us directly to the airport.
They put us on the plane like akid, and then somebody met us
at the other end kind of thing.
Yeah, Unaccompanied minors.
It was that kind of drill, butfor adults.
Yeah, and in more severe casesthey do send people on the plane
.
Yes, if they thought we weregoing to escape, they would have
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sent somebody with us to sitwith us on the plane.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Both of you were married.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, we were both married and both of your wives
were at—.
His wife worked for DavidMiscavige.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yes, that's right, and my wife worked in well at
that time you weren't in RTC.
No, I was in Golden EraProductions.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Anyway.
So we get back.
I'm in big trouble.
He announces he basically whatthey call a base briefing.
He tells the entire crew of theinternational base at an
assembly where it's mandatorythat every single person goes to
that and he basically toldeverybody I was a shit stick and
told me basically tells thestory of how we screwed up his
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film opening and embarrassed himand embarrassed the Sea Org and
embarrassed Golden ArrowProductions and blah, blah, blah
Anyway.
So the next day it's Sea Orgday, which is the one day off
you get as a Sea Org member.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Well off.
Well, you got to play teamgames.
You got to do team games, yougot to do stuff, but you're not
working.
Yes, correct.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
But yes, you are in.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
It's like the only day of the year that you don't
have a battle plan.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
But you have to participate in mandatory team
games with everybody else thatyou work with all day, every day
anyway, yeah, tug of war yeahlike we haven't done enough team
activities over the 100 hours aweek, Anyway.
So we're sitting.
So then they have an event andif you're a good Sea Org member,
you get the day off, you get toplay and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And you might even get promoted.
That's the one time of the yearthat you're.
Well, it's not the one time ofthe year, but it's the usually
designated time of year whereyou are allowed to submit
basically a whole packageproposal showing how you've been
performing.
You don't have nasty knowledgereports written on you, you're
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on schedule, you do your study,you're advancing your knowledge
of Scientology, your statisticsare up and you can submit to the
OSB right.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
The Officer Selection Board.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, Officer.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Selection.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Board to apply for a raise in rank.
So post swamper petty officer,first class, second class chief
petty officer, midshipmanwarrant officer ensign.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Lieutenant.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, that's right, lieutenant.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Junior grade.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, Lieutenant, junior grade Lieutenant, and
then it's a bunch of nonsense,guys.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And there's not not a lot of, there's not a lot of
officers floating around, andthe ones that are floating
around dingleberry brains,they're not, they don't deserve
it, nobody.
It's all just a bunch ofmade-up stuff.
But if you are, uh, if you'reclose to david miscavige and
you're getting stuff done, thenyou're gonna get uh rank.
You'll get promoted, yes, butyou can also be easily demoted.
(20:48):
In an afternoon.
He can say you, you lose allrank, you're a swamper again.
And he did that to the entireproperty at one point yeah he
took everyone, demoted everyoneblanket to the bottom in one
briefing.
Yeah, anyway, so, anyway, so,but the next, so I didn't get
promoted.
Spoiler alert he does a roaston me the night before for the
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base briefing.
And then the next day is SeaOrg Day.
People get.
They do ceremonies and give outrings for people who've been in
the Sea Org for 25 years ormore.
They used to give them therings.
Now Catherine said she had topay for hers and it was a pin or
something like that, but shehad to pay for it.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, and it wasn't a ring.
Yeah, the rings were gettingtoo expensive For 25 years to
get a ring, and then they do abait and switch and now it's a
pin that you have to pay for, orsomething like that.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Anyway, claire and I remember this like it was
yesterday, claire and I aresitting on these bleachers
outside and it's almostnighttime at this point.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
It's very late in the day and it's funny that you
mention that because literallylike you start talking about it
and I remember exactly where wewere.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Right where those trees, that kind of parking area
was.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Behind the studio the gym, the studio gym, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Anyway, we're sitting there on the bleaches,
Everybody's kind of left and Idon't get to party or have any
fun at this thing.
I have to go back to the galleyand scrub the floors or
something like that.
Yeah, and you had just gottenback, you were restricted to the
property I hadn't seen you inmonths, well, almost like a half
a year or more, because I wasin Denmark before I was in.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Florida, so I was just trying to see you just for
a few minutes.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah.
So we were just sitting thereon the bleaches and he walks up
and I'm just like, oh man, herewe go, and he walks up and he
goes rough week, huh.
And I go, yeah, and he goes.
Even your guy tried to takehimself out.
And I'm like my guy, and theday before the lead singer of
(22:53):
Depeche Mode had like an OD orsomething like that, a drug
overdose, or you try to commitsuicide or something like that.
And he knew that and he knewthat I was a big Depeche Mode
fan.
And he's like, yeah, even yourguy tried to take himself out
and I was like my guy, what areyou talking about?
And then he says this and I'mjust like, dude, what is wrong
(23:15):
with you, man?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
That's what you're thinking.
No, yeah, I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I was like yeah, yeah it happened too, and um, and
then he just laughed, he justwalked off and was laughing.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
But that was the time too that he he said oh yeah,
you're still.
And like oh, you're stillmarried to him yeah, that's
right, like wow and wow.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
And then he left.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Anyway.
So he's just a fucking douchecanoe.
He's an asshole.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
He does asshole-ish things.
And factor in this was 1995,before things started getting
really, really bad.
We've talked before about thefirst time you saw him
physically abuse a staff member,the first time I saw him
physically abuse a staff member.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
For me it was 1996.
Yeah, for me it was in like1990.
Right, right, like, a fewmonths after I was there, he
beat up Mark Fisher.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Peeling the onion on YouTube Mark Fisher and Janice
Grady.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, Okay, you reminded me of another one.
So this was another Sea Org Day, and now I was working in
Religious Technology Center, andso David Miscavige would always
keep a very close circle ofonly his most trusted confidence
around him, which at that timeincluded his wife Shelley
Miscavige.
At that time included his wife,Shelley Miscavige, Larese
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Stukenbrock, Marty Rathbun, GregWilhair, those kind of
characters, and other than thathe would very less and less.
He was becoming more and moreisolated from the rest of the
general staff.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
And more and more paranoid that they were out to
get him right.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, he would every meeting he would.
If the water bottle had beencracked, he would just throw it
and say give me a new one.
It's not been opened because Idon't know what you guys are.
He would tell us in the meetingI know you guys are going to
poison me one day it's not goingto be today and you just get a
new bottle of water and you justbe like dude.
We're not like where do we getaccess to poison?
(25:16):
Come on, we don't have access.
If we had access, that'd be awhole nother thing.
We don't have access to poison.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Oh, my goodness, Anyhow.
So this was.
I remember it was either 1997or 1998.
But either way, it was one ofthe few times that all the RTC
staff, after the Sea Orc Dayceremony, went to the ship.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
And we're just kind of mingling there with our- the
ship is the Clipper Ship, theStar of California.
It's a Clipper Ship that isbuilt in the middle of the
desert with masts and a deck andthere's a pool inside the deck
and a whole thing.
There is a Clipper Ship whenyou're driving through the
desert, with masts and a deckand there's a pool inside the
deck and a whole thing.
There is a clipper ship whenyou're driving through the
desert.
If you look off, if you'regoing east on Highway 79 through
(26:04):
Gilman Hot Springs, you take apeek over to your left when
you're driving through andthere's a clipper ship there.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
And that's where that was RTCs and David Miscavige's
sort of like personal spacewhere they could hang out.
Yes, mostly David Miscavige,but also RTC would have small
like events or org awards orsomething they would have at
that part of the property.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yes, exactly.
So we were told oh, go to theship, for I guess there was
snacks.
I don't remember there beingfood, I just remember the
Martinellis, because we weren'tallowed to have champagne, so it
was Martinellis.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
They do a lot of Martinelli toasts in the Sea Org
station.
You drink a lot of apple cider,sparkling apple cider, in your
Sea Org career to have all theevents and everything.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yes, exactly.
Anyhow, David Miscavige wastalking to Marty Rathbun, Greg
Wilhair, Norman Starkey andLarissa and Shelley were there
too, and we were all in theuniforms, having just come from
the ceremony.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
And he was going on and on about how Norman Starkey
knew where the body bags were.
Yeah, marky knew where the bodybags were and he didn't
elaborate on that to say exactlywhat he was talking about.
Yeah, but it absolutelyconfirmed my understanding that
there were a select few peoplethat knew deep, dark, dirty
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secrets.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
About Dave.
Whatever those were, yes AboutDave, exactly yes.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, that was very apparent over the years that he
knew a lot about them.
In the past, david Miscavigeknew the secrets of all the
other executives and they, butthey also gave off the vibe that
they knew shit about him.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
And that's a good.
That's a good point.
There was a.
I like that.
That's a good story becausethat makes me think of this
story, which is we were in ameeting with David Miscavige and
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he said he was trying to dunkon Lyman in the meeting and
Lyman Spurlock had been.
He worked at Author Serviceswith David Miscavige when David
Miscavige was chairman of theboard.
Author.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Services.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yes, which is like LRH's agent organization that
collects royalties foreverything that Scientology uses
.
Every time they sell a course,every time they sell a lecture,
every time they sell anythingthat has L Ron Hubbard on it,
they have to pay a licensing feeor royalty to author services.
And so david miscavige wastalking about how these
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scientists came to davidmiscavige and author services
and said hey, we want to, wewant you to invest in this
project that we're doing.
That's going to make billionsand billions of dollars.
And david miscavige said okay,so Pete and Lyman, go meet with
these guys and find out whatit's all about.
So Pete and Lyman meet withthese scientists and they're
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also treasure hunters and theybasically told Lyman and Pete
that they've studied oceancurrents and where treasures
will have drifted or will, theyshould have landed after and be
located after so many years,based on the records of when it
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crashed and where it crashed andall these other things.
And they're going to go look inthese spots and if they find
them, then they're going to berich from digging up buried gold
and all the treasures that wereon these pirate ships or
whatever, or merchant ships,whatever it is shipwrecks.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And Lyman and Pete are like this is amazing.
This is like a sure thing theseguys are going to do it.
This is a solid thing.
Anyway, David Miscavige hadjust lost $30 million of L Ron
Hubbard's money in badinvestments that he had done.
I think it was mainly tied tofake oil wells in Oklahoma, like
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they got sold wells that didn'texist or something some sort of
thing, but it was $30 millionpoof gone and so they need to
come up with this money.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
They bought, purchased real estate rights for
Mars and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Space cooties scammed them out of a bunch of do-re-mi
, Anyway.
Oh, I got space cootie noises.
I don't know if you guys canhear the space cooties, but
they're landing on our houseright now.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Let us know if you can hear that.
Yeah, mark loves his soundeffects, oops.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Might be some space kitties around here somewhere.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Anyway, somehow.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I hope they can hear that.
It's going to look really sillyif we're reacting to the sounds
and they can't even hear themyeah.
We'll have to look, okay, so hetells us.
The story he tells us is thatLyman and Pete this is Pete
Bleca.
He used to work for me.
After he was busted out offinance he worked for me and set
some props he's an amazingcarpenter Shout out to Pete
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You're a good guy.
Okay, the story he tells it isthat Lyman and Pete thought it
was a bad idea and we didn't doit.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yes.
Okay, and that's the and thenno, no, no, and then that's a
David Miscavige trademark.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
It's always somebody else's fault.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
He always overrides your good idea.
And if it's a good idea andthen we don't do it, he said to
do it and you said not to do it,or you never had the idea or
whatever, who knows.
But if it was a bad idea and hesaid I think we should do this
and you said no, no, this is nota good idea.
And then you did it and itturned out bad, he'd be like,
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yeah, claire came up with themost horrible idea and you're
just like what?
It was your idea, anyway.
So we have the meeting.
Lyman leaves.
Lyman's now a big executive.
He's like finance director orhe worked in RTC or whatever his
post was.
Yeah, he was one of the peoplevery, very involved in the legal
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corporate sort out.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
And getting the IRS tax exempt status and all that,
oh, that's a bummer.
People could not hear yoursound effects.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Oh, they couldn't.
No, oh well, sucks to suck itwas fun for us.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
It's just a way to bring some laughter into a dark
subject.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I might end up messing up this whole setup if I
do it.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I will say, speaking of treasure hunting or whatever
treasure and all that in JaniceGrady's book.
She covers the mission intotime, where Hubbard remembered
where he'd hidden treasure fromprevious lifetimes, and then
they did a mission to go findthose treasures.
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And it was so funny that werecently learned L Ron Hubbard
is not the only cult leader thathas done that exact same thing.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Anyway, that's off topic but it just reminded me of
it.
But the only reason I wanted totell the story is because then,
after the meeting, I went backto CINI where I worked and Pete
was there, yes, and I was like,hey, pete, were you around an
ASI around this time?
And he goes yeah, yeah, yeah,and I go.
You know about these treasurehunter things?
He goes oh yeah, we so screwedup.
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We told Dave to do it, but hedidn't want to do it and I was
like wait a minute.
He said you guys didn't want todo it.
He goes oh, no way, lyman, andI thought it was a sure thing.
We 100% were like we absolutelyshould put as much towards this
as possible.
And he was like, no, dave wasall worried because he had just
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lost that money he got, they gotscammed and so he was a little
gun shy and so they didn't do itanyway.
The, the the punch line is thatthere's a book and it's called
the deep blue sea and you canbuy the book and it's the story
of what, how these scientistsdid this and how they came up
with billions and billions ofdollars with the treasure.
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But in the book it tells thestory of them going to see
Scientology and pitching it tothem it's in the book Anyway.
So that's like some serious,deep, deep, deep undercover
stories.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
David Miscavige's lose $30 million and then
doesn't end up getting billionsin profit because they didn't
invest with these guys.
What's another story?
Maybe another money-relatedstory that you know of?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Well, I was thinking of I think I saw somebody ask in
chat what does David Miscavigedo on the day-to-day?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
What does his day look like?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
And.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I thought that we could talk about this because of
the fact that his dayillustrates how much he runs
everything in.
Scientology everything, oh 100%In Scientology, but yeah, so
he's the only, or one of theonly, members of the Sea
Organization that's not requiredto adhere to a schedule.
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He sets his own schedule.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Okay, no, he is the only possible Sea Organization
member that just does whateverthey want, whenever they want.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Of course he is.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Of course it goes without saying, he is the boss.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
He's the boss of the fake navy, so fake navy davy
gets to do whatever the fakenavy davy wants right.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
So during the years that we were there, um david
miscavige slept in one room,shelly slept in a different room
and um his one of his stewardswould wake him up in the morning
yeah or usually around noon, Iwould say noon is usually when
(36:03):
we started kind of after lunchmorning after lunch is usually
when it'd be like up dave's up,he just got somebody, just got a
call or something.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Then you know like up be ready yeah, it's on.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
yeah, like he never came around in the mornings
Because management.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
That was safe.
That was a safe space.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, nine to noon it was the only time that you
weren't like, didn't have to beon edge.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
If you need to get any work done, do it then,
because the rest of the dayyou're going to be in meetings.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, he would start with,you know, coffee, breakfast,
whatever in the Loa Villa, whichis where he lived, and he would
handle his morning trafficright.
That's what it was referred to,as was traffic, and read the
(36:52):
reports from Office of SpecialAffairs.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Daily reports of all the legal threats, all the
attacks.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
The data pack yeah, so any press that came out, any
anything?
Oh, osa update yeah, the.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
OSA press update.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
They would have a pack sent to him from every
single publication magazine.
Anything in the world that theymentioned Scientology, it had
to be in this pack.
Anything in the world, yeah,was in this pack that went to
him.
And so if there was a storythat got run in the AP Newswire,
(37:24):
there might be 30 articles.
It would just be every singleone that went out in every
single market and exactly whatit said.
And then sometimes there'd be alittle cover note or a little
summary from OSA on what's beingdone to deal with this If it's
particularly inflammable, likethey're beating people they're
(37:45):
doing things.
What did I say?
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Inflammable.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
That's right If it's inflammable.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
That's even worse.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Inflammatory.
Anything anti-Scientology wouldbe in the press update and if
there was something good, it wasusually in the very, very back
and it would just be like, hey,Christmas Winterland is opened
up and Scientology sponsored it.
Yay for them.
And there'd be like one or twoof those, but almost all of it
(38:14):
was bad.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yes, completely.
It was all N theta as it'sreferred to in the Scientology.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah, and that's got to be on his desk when he gets
up.
That's right.
It's got to be right there inthe middle of the desk waiting
for him.
And then also there'd be who,if anybody escaped the property
that day or the day before, andall the people that were on the
perimeter list that were beingwatched, that might try and
escape from the property.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
The reason it was called the perimeter list is
because if they breach theperimeter, they get on the
perimeter list.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yep Exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Oh, we got a super chat, debbie, thank you for that
.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Oh, thanks.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
What's it saying?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Love you both.
Love Mark's personality.
Yeah, he's special Good I'mgood.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah, he's special I'm good, I'm good, damn I'm
good.
Just ask me, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
His favorite saying in the world.
He says that at least 10 timesa day.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Oh, she sent a super sticker too.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Oh my goodness.
Thanks, debbie.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Maybe she didn't know .
She sent the first one.
She was worried we didn't readit.
She just doubled down.
Thanks, generous of you.
Yeah, so that's just thebeginning of the day.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Just the start, yeah, and then oftentimes like, if
there's specific projects he'srunning, he'll have a daily
report from them.
He'll have a daily report fromReligious Technology Center.
Very often he would have adaily report from the management
executives.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
He'd have a daily report from Golden Air
Productions.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yep, that's right.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
He'd have one from the landlord office of all the
properties and all therenovations and the ideal orgs
that are being built, yep.
He'd have one from Flag onwhere they stood on all their
different programs and buildingprojects and anything that's
happening there.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yep.
He would have daily reportsfrom the Religious Technology
Center representatives, like theones at FLAG, the ones from UK,
the ones from Australia, europe.
Yeah, exactly so like piles andpiles and piles of things to
(40:14):
read up on.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
And then he'd have one from CST on all of the
preservation of the technology,the gold discs and the nickel
plates and the titanium capsules.
And then he'd also have onefrom author services.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yep, and then if there were specific legal
situations or specific thingsthat he had issued orders on to
get you know whatever, then hewould have specific reports on
those as well.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Ah yes, the International Association of
Scientologists.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yep, and then let's see.
Then usually first up he wouldhave calls with attorneys on
legal matters and everythingelse before he started making
the rounds for meetings.
He would take care of thosethings next and that would just
(41:08):
be with, like Marty Rathbun,sometimes Mike Warren McShane
and Shelley and Larice.
Nobody else got to see or attendthose meetings, those calls
(41:29):
with attorneys specifically, andthen most often he would then
go meet with managementexecutives on whatever the flap
of the day was If it's anupcoming event, that would
become the theme of the day waslike if it's an upcoming event,
that would become the the themeof the well, if there was an
event coming up, we wouldusually be having meetings.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
The whole event executive structure would meet
with him in down in the cineconference rooms, lodges, the
lower lodges, and that's anothervideo we should do.
We should do the tour of thebase, the drone footage.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Oh yeah, we've talked about that.
Yeah, we keep forgetting.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, so we would meet there, and that meeting
could start around 5 o'clock andgo until midnight, yeah, and
then the next day it would belike why didn't you get anything
done?
It'd be like we were with youthe whole night and we told
everybody what we were supposedto do, and they were.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
It was midnight, everybody went home and now it's
morning, and sometimes thosemeetings would go until like
three or four o'clock in themorning.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Sometimes you'd literally get out of the meeting
.
You're like there's no morebuses, there's no more anything.
Now, somehow we have to figureout how we're going to get home,
or we're just going to, andthen what else?
What about how?
He would normally be up tilllike three or four in the
morning every night?
He never was.
(42:48):
He never.
It wasn't like 10 o'clock peaceout, bitches.
It would be like you would bein a meeting with him at 2.30.
And then he's like and he wouldalways complain too Like, yeah,
now, when I'm done with this,I've been meeting with you guys
all day doing your jobs.
When I'm done, I have to go anddo my entire days of work that
(43:08):
I was supposed to do for my job.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yeah, and his office was always full with stacks and
stacks and stacks and stacks andstacks of submissions, even
down to, like, the replacing thecarpet in the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
No, when they put those mops under those rubber
mats under the urinals.
So if somebody tinkled on thefloor it wouldn't show up on the
floor.
He had to order that and get acompliance report and then say,
good, very well done on buyingsome rubber mats and putting
them under the urinals.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yes, because anytime he issued an order, it was
absolute priority that thatorder had to get complied with
and a compliance reportsubmitted to him to show him
that his order had been done.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah, so if he went into the urinals at 2 o'clock in
the afternoon in the dininghall and then Axel Axel was the
MCI sanitation engineer- yes.
Massacre Canyon Inn.
That's where it was our dininghall's name, because there was a
massacre in a canyon that wasright near the inn that it used
(44:17):
to be, so they called it MCIMassacre Canyon Inn.
And this guy's mopping in thefloors and Dave walks in there
to take a a leak and he goes youshould really put some rubber
mats under these.
That's like, let's say that'slike, at 2.30.
By dinnertime somebody has goneout, bought mats wherever you
buy piss mats from for urinals.
(44:38):
They've gone out and gottenthose.
Put those in there.
Axel has to write a compliancereport.
What was ordered?
What was done?
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Don't forget First he has to get the purchase order
approved.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Well, usually if Dave says you need to buy it, then
you buy it.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
He's just going to pay for it out of his pocket,
out of his $40 a week.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah, to comply.
So then he has to send acompliance report what was done
no, what was ordered, what wasdone.
And evidence report what wasdone no, what was ordered, what
was done.
and evidence and almost alwaysevidence is just a polaroid yep
here's a picture of a piss matunder urinal and then that goes
to david miscavige and thendavid miscavige is like, see,
this kid gets what I, what Iwant done.
(45:16):
And it's like, really, he askedfor a piss mat, not a goddamn 7
000 cds in the next two secondsyeah, exactly, yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Okay, I think we should do some questions.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Oh, you do.
Yeah, because once again folksCDs in the next two seconds.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Oh my gosh, yeah.
Okay, I think we should do somequestions.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Oh, you do.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah, because once again folks did you point this
live to the Foundation Feedepisode.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
I didn't, but I can.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Okay, good, yeah, so after this, in 15 minutes, phil
Jones and I will be doingFoundation Feed Series number
eight, talking about news andupdates of the Michael J Render
Aftermath Foundation.
We hope you will join us there.
Mark is going to fix it so wewill redirect automatically,
which I appreciate the support,honey, thank you.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Oh, I did do it.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
In my infinite wisdom .
I already did it In yourinfinite wisdom.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
All right, so we'll do some questions, then we'll do
a giveaway, and then we can doa couple last stories before
we're out of time.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Okay, here we go.
Okay, I'm just going to put upa starred one here and it's a
question.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Okay, this is a genuine question.
Do you think he is, or has been, on drugs?
So many stories make him soundlike he's on cocaine or steroids
with all his energy and anger.
Yeah, steroids wouldn'tsurprise me.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Human growth hormone.
Well, he was definitely jammingthat HGH nonstop.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, for sure.
Alcohol is what I know for sure.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I think McAllen's or McAllen's I think, I think so
yeah.
Tom DeVock would know.
Tom DeVock would go up thereand he'd be like, hey, have a
drink.
And then Tom be like, okay,yeah, and he would cheat.
Well, they played some game.
I don't know the game, I'venever played it.
It's the one with the littlelike the little beads that go
(47:01):
around, has like the triangles.
I don't know the name of itbackgammon yeah, maybe I don't
know.
Anyway, he would cheat, and ifyou, if you didn't let him win,
he'd get pissy yeah yep, but Idon't know about the drugs other
than hgh yeah, for sure and hewas.
There was a time period wherehe was doing a ton of working
out and, yeah, he was trying tobe dr buffenheimer smith because
(47:28):
he was hanging out with mrrisky business buffenheimer
smith.
I like that one yeah, well, mr,risky business is like ripping
it up full time, yeah, and davewas like, hey, uh, what's up
with that?
And then tom's like, well, hey,dr, flabby, flabby, stabby you
gotta yeah, his davidmiscavige's um questionable
(47:49):
friendship with tom cruisebromance bromance, please,
that's absolutely a huge elementof shelly miscavige's
disappearance right it was she'slike dude, you went on the
freaking honeymoon.
What's up with that?
Yeah he went on Tom Cruise'shoneymoon with Katie Holmes.
David Miscavige went on thehoneymoon.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Third wheel much.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
On the honeymoon.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Oh my goodness, it's gotta be.
I mean that's just no, I knowand like-.
That's not normal in theregular world, much less in the
Scientology world.
Nobody thinks that's normal.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Nobody is like yeah, bro.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, that totally makes sense, of course I'm
coming.
Where's your wife?
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Oh man, screw her.
Just me and you, Ben.
I don't need my wife on thistrip.
They did bring Tommy Davis andJessica Feshback.
They went too.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
But they were like kind of being their assistants,
I guess, or whatever they werecalling it.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, no, Tommy Davis was definitely being Tom
Cruise's assistant.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Scientology assistant , Assisting in all things.
He was a member of the SeaOrganization and he, literally,
was his assistant.
You know what's also funny Ifyou look, if you just look up
Tom Cruise, david Miscavige,honeymoon there's pictures.
But there's a picture of TommyDavis.
He has I think it's on this arm.
He has a Sea Org symboltattooed on his arm.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Oh dude, I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
Tommy Davis does yes he does.
At least I have Depeche Mode.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Yeah, I know Like wow , really the Sea Org who does
that.
He's actually the only person.
I don't know of any otherperson in the Sea Org who's ever
had a Sea Org?
Speaker 1 (49:22):
you don't get a tattoo after you join the Sea.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Org.
So here's the burning question.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Do you think he still has it now that he's not in?
Speaker 1 (49:29):
the Sea Org anymore.
I don't know, that's a roughone.
Would he have gotten it lasered?
You could get him lasered offnow.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, I know, but still, that's a lot.
That is a lot.
But yeah, david Misca cruiseshoneymoon with katie holmes,
yeah guys inappropriate okay,yep, yep, completely all right,
let's do a few more questions.
So we have 10 minutes leftbasically oh, here's another one
okay, code monkey.
(49:55):
Fun aside, I know this episodeis hard for you both.
No one should forget davidmiscavige verbally and
physically abused.
You too, yeah, for sure well,yeah, he's.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
that's why I say he's a douche nozzle.
Why do you think we're tellingthis story, the worst that he
ever did to me personally?
Thank you for that Code monkey.
Is that code monkey?
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah it was code monkey.
The worst he did to mepersonally was that it was more
like absolute intendedhumiliation and degradation than
actually like being punched orsomething.
Yeah, and degradation thanactually like being punched or
something.
But there was a time thatmyself, warren McShane, who is
the legal RTC guy, fleur Thomas,who is Larissa's sister, and
(50:38):
Antonella Teasy was there too,who she's now one of Shelley's
dedicated handlers.
So it was us.
So we were called up to theupper villa, which was where
David Miscavige's office was atthe time, and he was just going
off on us about some I think itwas during the time of the Lisa
(50:59):
McPherson lawsuit pending andall of that.
So he was commonly flying offthe handle and he literally said
to me stand in front of me.
And so I stood in front of himand he grabbed the back of my
pants and made me just drag himacross the room and he's like
pull harder, pull harder.
And I'm like.
(51:19):
I'm literally like it's likehorse and cart type thing And-.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
He was holding on to you, but he wanted you to walk
and pull him around.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
I had to drag him across the room and he's like
this is what you guys are to me.
You're my ball and chain.
That was what he was trying toillustrate.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Anyway, like you said , douche canoe.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Yeah, screw that guy.
Okay, oh, here we get anothersuper sticker angel cat.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Thank you, people are doing, thank you for that guys
we don't usually.
I mean, that's not, weappreciate it yeah, we do, we
appreciate um we don't domemberships on this channel
because we want anyone to justbe open.
Open platform if you if youwant to support our work, great
it's.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yeah, I don't even think we were.
We were thinking about.
I was trying to like, what ifwe got a sponsor or something
like that?
That would help it.
We could do more stuff.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
But then I was like, who are we going to?
We have to get like Delete Meor something like you know that
gets your information off theinternet.
It's a Scientology, can't getit.
We go for mando or, uh, youknow, some deodorant or some
kind of uh nonsense.
(52:31):
We'll see um, but if somebodywants to sponsor the channel,
yeah, feel free to contact us.
For sure, um, we can't make anypromises, yeah, um, should we
do the um?
Remember, we are gonna do.
Oh, did I have to take that oneoff there?
you go we do still have the fakeNavy doll contest going, guys.
So remember, at the end of eachmonth we're going to collect up
(52:51):
all the photos.
We've been getting tons ofphotos in from people.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
We have Thank you to everyone who's been sending
photos.
So yes, we will.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Oh look, I can be in both shots at the same time.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Look at that, oh look , I can be in both shots at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
Movie magic.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
We're going to pick some winners at the end of each
month.
You just send a picture withyour funny Davy doll and the
prizes are.
You get to win a Mike Rinder ora Leah Clara just commented.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
She said I know this company called Mode.
They could sponsor you.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah, no, no, that's not happening.
Okay, what else Should we do agiveaway?
Yeah, let's do a giveaway.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Okay, and again, while we're doing this contest
for September, we'll pick thewinner.
The next live we do in October,so we'll take submissions up
until we do the draw and thenwe'll start over again.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Okay, I'm doing it.
Oh, I saw Shannon.
Oh, shannon got two things.
It dumped her.
Oh, code Monkey almost got it,jeangal.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Jeangal, congratulations or.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Jeanygal Yep or Jeangal.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Jeangal.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Or whatever way you say it, which we don't know how.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yes, congratulations.
Yeah, send me an email claireat blownforgoodcom with your
address and you will bereceiving a fake Navy Davey.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Fake Navy Davey to the rescue.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah, we're trying to get rid of these things, guys.
I got too many of them.
We got to get rid of thesethings, guys.
I got too many of them, we gotto get rid of them.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
We've gotten rid of a ton.
We have, we have the rest toget rid of.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
We got to get rid of all of them.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
They're limited edition items.
When they're done, they're done.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
We're not making any more after this.
I'm getting out of the merchstorage business.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
And I'm getting out of the merch shipping business.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
I just yeah, realize, every time you order one of
these, I packed it, claireshipped it.
That's how it works.
And yeah, we are anxious tomove all these out, and so the
aftermath can get those thesupport it needs, and then we
can help people with it.
Yep, okay, dalton wants one?
(55:06):
I'll tell Dalton.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
I'll bring him one.
Yeah, there you go, we got you,dalton.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Okay, want to do last questions.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Oh yeah, quick, we got five minutes left before I
have to enter the portal and go.
Okay, okay question why did LRHbase the Sea Org on his
pathetic Navy career?
Yeah, I know, good question,but the actual, actually my
answer to that is he was gettingin so many, so much trouble
with various differentgovernment agencies that you
(55:37):
know lightning.
The bright idea that he had washey, if we're in at sea in
multiple different ports, thenwe will be able to evade said
government agencies and saidgovernmental oversight and we
will become Fabian, as isreferred to, meaning could be
anywhere, at any time.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
Not to be confused with Fabio, which is a totally
separate thing.
When we were.
When he did that, though, Ithink he had such a bad go of it
in the Navy as a subordinate.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
That he was like.
Well, what if I'm the Commodore?
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Right, then you can do whatever you want.
That's right.
You can make it go your way.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
I'm running this.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
You can rewrite history, which he's a huge fan
of doing.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
That's right.
I'm running this whole flotillanow.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Huge fan of doing.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
That's right.
I'm running this whole flotillanow.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Yep Up there.
All right, folks, it's beenreal.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
It's been real, we'll see you next week.
Okay To those of us joining usshortly Thank you, hold on.
I got to make you go away here.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
All right, make me go away.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
Poof.
There you go, she's gone.
Um, I, we, they can hear yousnickering though.
Um, yeah, don't forget guys, uh, submit your photos for the
fake navy davy contest.
Um, go to this uh websiteblowforgoodcom.
Slash forward, slash, contactus and you can submit the photo
(56:57):
there.
You can give us a little blurbor contact if you want us to uh
know who you are.
So if you win, we can send youa prize.
And yeah, that's what's doing.
Oh, I put the wrong thing upagain.
We got an empty chair there,chair the Claire chair.
Let's see, maybe we should.
(57:21):
This is from Apostate Alex.
Maybe we should start sendinghim a daily SP report updating
him on the number of people whohave left and increasing
pressure from governmentofficials.
He's getting that report anyway.
Osa's doing that.
Yeah, no, we don't need toreport anything up.
We just do what we do and he'llfind out.
He'll get the memo.
Oh, yeah, oh yeah.
(57:42):
Alex had these dolls in the UKand he brought them to his
protest that they are doing atthe St Hill Manor, east
Grinstead, sussex, and they saidthat these caused alarm and
distress.
That's outrageous Alarm anddistress.
(58:05):
This guy doesn't do anythingexcept for bring whimsical
happiness and smiles.
Um, yeah, that's uh, that'spretty ridiculous.
Um, what time is it?
Where am I going here?
Oh, yeah, I'm getting rapid uphere.
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