Scientology's KSW: The Mind Control Blueprint - Scientology Secrets #9 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good.
Scientology Exposed or is itExposing Scientology?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Scientology Exposed.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
I'm joined today by my lovely wife Claire.
Hey, hey, hey thanks for beinghere.
Well, I think everybody's.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
We might as well just go out and talk about it, since
it's big news everywhere.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
The elephant in the room?
Yeah, beard, for gone is he'sgone.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
But never fear, he's still blown for good.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I couldn't uh.
It was it's too hot, guys, it'stoo hot, I'm I'm a wimp when it
comes to heat.
I gotta, uh, I gotta, I gottastay cool.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
So I had to lose the beard yep um we have, we have a
happy dance from the, from thewifey, yay.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yay, yeah, she was not a fan.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
You know, I support you in many ways and whatever
you want to do, I'm pretty muchwilling to tolerate a lot of
things, and teamwork makes thedream work, as they say, as we
always say.
But yeah, yay for beard beinggone for good, at least for now.
I'm not going to jinx myselfhere.
Yeah, yay for beard being gonefor good at least.
Well, at least for now, I'm notgoing to jinx myself here.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, while we're waiting for people to show up,
we don't normally do lives onSaturdays, but there's
scheduling issues and it was doone today or skip a week.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
So we figured we'd do it today.
Yeah, I kind of messed up lastweek because I was like, oh yay,
we're going to be here everySunday.
And then right after that Iwent and looked at your calendar
.
I was like man, I forgot Sundaywas out.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Um, we like to, while we're waiting for everybody to
show up, uh, we like to uh seewhere everybody's uh watching
from.
Um, it gives us a few minutesto allow people to get their
notifications and then kind ofget to wherever they're going to
get if they want to watch.
So we'll put up a few of thoseright now and, yeah, see where

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you guys are watching from.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Sounds good.
All right, we have Anita Hifrom the Netherlands, nice
Elron's Cupboard.
Good morning from Darwin.
Down Under Peeps.
My contacts are a little blurry, sorry folks.
Techie Hi from Flyover Country,usa.

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Hey Techie, I forget who thatis Janine Taylorsville, Kentucky
, Nice Kaz, high from the landdown under Nice.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Double down under.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yes, exactly, bear's mom, Indiana, nice.
Tracy howdy from Wyoming, carlahigh from England Yay.
Karen Hay from NorthernCalifornia and Monkey Paws hi

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from Central Victoria, australia.
Necessary Trouble is here fromMontana, yay.
And then, whoever that was,from Vermont oh, mar hi from
Vermont, there we go.
Joseph hi from speedway,indiana, nice thanks for joining
us.
We appreciate everyone beinghere this fine saturday yeah, oh
, here we get some more actuallybelieve it's already august.
Karen from montana uh, somethingforklift you, I got in the live

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this time.
Hi from la county, awesome,poodle bone.
Hello from new york city andmonica, florida, all right.
Ag agt mom, north carolina,hereiladelphia, pennsylvania,

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nice.
Gracie.
Hello from new york, betsy sue.
Greetings from cameron, northcarolina, jack shaw.
Howdy from henderson, nevada,nice.
Apostate alex in the house inturb in charge international
association of suppressivepersons, uk reporting for duty.
Hi, alex colleen, long beach,california, nice.

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And lupita from scorching,texas.
Mark has been in some very,very hot destinations lately.
Uh, denny sue hi from detroit,jdr.
Hello from palm coast, florida,nice.
Uh, ddk hi from beautiful rhodeisland, the ocean state here's

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another one.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Um, actually I'm going to save this for another
thing later, okay all right, uh,sherry lynn, hi from ontario,
canada, nice witness.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Hello from Hi from Ontario, canada, nice Witness.
Hello from SoCal, nice.
Love it Down the road a bit.
Well, there you go.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, where are the Dutchies at?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, anita.
Yeah, exactly, netherlands.
Well, we did mix it up.
Yeah, you know, rebecca, theplanetarium goblin Hi from a
very rainy sunset beach, northCarolina.
Awesome, petrina.
Good evening from Reading, uk.
Awesome Greetings from AnnArbor, re Johns.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Awesome, okay, cool.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
We covered it.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
We did.
We did a lot.
Yes, we covered it.
We did.
We did a lot.
Yes, um the last video, we did.
We talked about scientology'spolicy keeping scientology
working and we just read 10 ofthe points of keeping
scientology working the 10points.
Yes, yes the 10 points the 10points.
But that's all we.
That's all we really covered.
We didn't cover, we covered.

(06:02):
You know a little bit about thefront of it, whatever, but we
got a ton of uh feedback fromthat video and that video
actually did very well.
Surprisingly, compared to I,sometimes when we read
scientology documents people arejust like, oh my god I mean,
what a snooze fest.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
and they're just like , and not, and not only that,
our, our brains start going intolike malfunction mode, like
Like, oh my gosh, please stop.
We left for a very good reason,yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
So we figured that we would cover the rest of the
policy, because there's someother crazy stuff that he talks
about in the policy.
Yeah, and again, this isScientology.
This is this.
Keeping Scientology working istheir layout of this is how
we're going to do it.
If we just do these things,it's a done deal.

(06:50):
We're going to clear the planet.
Scientology is going to clearthe planet.
When you hear Scientology saythey're going to clear the
planet, what that means is thatthey're going to make every
single person on the planet getup to the state of clear within
Scientology.
So, essentially, to clear theplanet, every single person on
the planet needs to be aScientologist, right?

(07:11):
So clearing the planet, it'slike getting everybody up to
clear.
But if everybody's aScientologist, then they're done
.
They got it.
Everybody's in.
They've been trying to clearthe planet since 1950.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, I don't think it's going so well.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
They haven't cleared a zip code yet.
They haven't cleared a postalcode, much less a planet.
You could take any city thathas the most Scientologists,
like the top five Scientologypopulated cities, and they
haven't cleared any of thosecities at all.
And we've discussed this mathnot a strong suit of the

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Scientologists.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
No, and we're going to be discussing more of their
math deficiencies in this intoday's episode.
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, so, yeah, so I guess we just get right into it.
Let's, let's pull this thing up.
Make sure I got it on the rightpage.
Here we go.
So this is the.
Uh, I don't know why all theseboxes are all around it.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, I don't know either.
It's probably my bad.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Cause I was highlighting, I was highlighting
.
It's my bad it doesn't looklike that in real life.
It just has boxes around it,because that's the way we made
it.
We wanted to accentuate thetext areas with an outline board
.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Call your attention to the various boxes of text
presented herewith.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, anyway, we covered all this in the last
episode.
This is the policy letter.
It was originally written in 7February 1965.
So this is probably the end ofthe Dianetics era of Scientology
.
They were still talking aboutengrams and the bank and

(08:54):
overcoming the bank and the trapof the reactive mind and all
these things.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, and you make a really good point.
For context, this isapproximately four years before
the creation of the Corganization, where members are
required to sign billion yearcontracts.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yes, that's exactly correct, Claire.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I know.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Okay, so that's the first page.
Then we went through thesepoints and then remember this is
going to in the policy letterhe just talks about numbers.
After we go through thesepoints.
And then remember, in thepolicy letter he just talks
about numbers after we gothrough these 10 points.
So when he says, this allrequires 7, 8, 9, and 10, and
mostly 9, but a lot of 10, andthat's what he's talking about.

(09:40):
He's talking about these points.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Which is why we highlighted these points,
because you have to pay closeattention in this moment for any
of the next quotes to make anysort of relevant sense.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, so we figured we'd read these last.
These are the last four pointsof keeping Scientology working,
series one Right.
Seven hammering out ofexistence incorrect technology.
Eight knocking out incorrectapplications.
Nine closing the door on anypossibility of incorrect talk oh
, is there a word or symbol?

(10:13):
you didn't nine, closing thedoor on any possibility of
incorrect technology, and thenten, closing the door on
incorrect applications.
I was trying to figure out whatthe last line is, because I
have a menu that covers up thelast line, so I had to.
I was my mind was pre-readingthe next line.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah sure, that's what happened.
Sure, I don't have amisunderstood word.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah sure, sure, you know if you guys didn't see the
last video.
If you're reading a Scientologypolicy and you stumble or you
stomp or you pause or youscratch your nose or you scratch
your butt or anything like that, that means you have a
misunderstood word.
Any Scientologist that'swatching this knows this.
And the other thing I do wantto say this we do have a lot of
Scientologists watching thechannel.

(10:55):
For sure.
We tell people that all thetime.
Oh, there's Scientologistswatching the channel.
But this last week I don't knowif a lot of you know this, but
this last week was NationalHuman Trafficking Day like to
help victims of humantrafficking and on that day we

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got a call in of somebody whoportions of people that contact
the aftermath are people thatsaw videos on the interwebs and
the billboards.
The billboards are making aclose second to that main one,
because we've had, we've beendoing videos for years but and
we've done TV programs andmovies and all kinds of stuff,

(11:48):
but yeah, the billboards areworking.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, for sure, absolutely.
And we learned something newthis week that I thought was
hilarious was that there arepeople in Scientology.
Of course, we all know that inScientology you're not allowed
to watch anything negative, uh,or read anything negative or
anything on the internet, andvery commonly Scientologists are
interrogated as to what, whatif they watched blah, blah, blah

(12:15):
oh, that's right, I remember,and so we found out this week
that there are a fewScientologists who the way they
got in contact with us is thatthey were watching Scientology
videos on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
But official Scientology Correct yes.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Not, not, not, not anyone exposing Scientology
abuses or anything else, butlike authorized Scientology
viewing on YouTube and then theyfell asleep or, you know, went
somewhere else or whatever.
Something happened and beforeyou know it, what do you know?
They're watching Scientologyexposed channels.

(12:54):
So all of that to say just afriendly reminder if you do
enjoy our content, pleasesubscribe to the channel,
because it does help with thealgorithms getting our content
out to the people who most needto hear it.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, the algorithm thinks if they want to know
about Scientology, then theyshould know everything about
Scientology.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I mean, hey, let's apply Hubbard's multiple
viewpoint system and hear all ofthe content that you could
possibly hear about ScientologyWonderful.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yes, ok, I lost my cursor.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Oh, there you go, so we're stuck with me, folks.
This is now the Claire show.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I did it again.
See, look, I'm over there.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
He's blown for good.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
I got to figure this out.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Oh, my goodness, yeah , literally.
So we're sitting in this studioand Mark is at his laptop and
his mouse is now on the otherside of the room, on a different
screen I don't know how I didthis.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Is that the?
Bts have taken over it's thecraziest thing, I know it's not.
They take.
Oh, here we go okay, we're goodokay, we're gonna go back to.
Uh, I was trying to hide acomment and I I went off into
the other universe here soremember.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Seven hammering out of existence incorrect
technology.
Eight knocking out incorrectapplication.
Nine closing the door on anypossibility of incorrect
technology.
Ten closing the door onincorrect application.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Perfect and.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
I would also say that this is the primary policy that
Scientology uses and thatHubbard intended to gaslight
Scientologists into thinkingthat any issue they might have
with Scientology is becausethey're doing it wrong and it's
all their fault and their crimesand their this and their that.
And also, while we're on thispage, anytime you get a

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committee of evidence, alwaysone of the charges is violation
it's a high crime.
And always one of the chargesis violation it's a high crime,
violation of any of the 10points of keeping Scientology
working.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, so basically anything you do wrong in
Scientology.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
It's because you did something.
No, no.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
But it's one of these two things.
No matter what the category ofwhat you did, it falls into one
of these things.
For sure you didn't do it, youdidn't know it was correct.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
You didn't believe it .
You said something bad about it.
You had bad thoughts about it.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
You had a critical thought about it whatever, yeah,
yeah and I do want to say thisbefore we move on to the next
page is that, which is a verygood point, these points that
Hubbard had laid out?
It does.
It makes you second guess anydoubts or anything you have, and
it defaults to oh, I must'vedone something wrong because I

(15:31):
have the correct technology.
I just didn't correctly applyit or I didn't teach it
correctly or I didn't so.
But but you already know youhave the correct technology, so
it can't.
It couldn't be that because youknow that.
It says knowing it is correct.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Right.
So so, even if you think, hey,this doesn't work, that is a
violation of 0.3, knowing it iscorrect.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
That's right, and the only reason I wanted to bring
this up is because I will put alink to it in the description.
But Chris Shelton did thisvideo a message to Scientologist
.
I'll put a link in thedescription, but if you just go
to Chris Shelton's YouTube page,it's one of the videos he did
within I want to say within thelast three or four days.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, and you also posted it on on our community.
Oh, that's right, I did.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
I posted it on our community page on the Bone for
Good channel.
But the thing I wanted to sayis that he answers like if
you're a Scientologist, he givesyou a very matter of fact,
straightforward explanation ofwhy things happen in Scientology
the things that you wonder, hey, why is this happening?

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Or you have doubts, or whatever.
And I just thought it was avery powerful video to somebody
that was contemplating leavingor was having doubts about
Scientology.
So make sure you check that out.
It's pretty good, okay.
Next page oh, then we highlightthose four things.
We did that, okay.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
And then six, seven pages long.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, but you highlighted this one thing.
But I actually want to readthis top paragraph because this
is key.
So it says this is L Ron.
Excuse me, this is L RonHubbard writing this.
This is L Ron Hubbard writingthis.
So he says we will notspeculate here on why this was
so or how I came to rise abovethe bank.

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So the bank is the collection ofengrams you have.
These are these negativethoughts and experiences and
pain that happened and all thesecommands that are basically in
Dianetics.
Hubbard tells you that it'sthese engrams, which that live
in your subconscious, that arecontrolling what you say and do,

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and you don't even know thatit's happening.
It's just on autopilot.
Your, your, your, yoursubconscious mind, the reactive
mind, is making these decisionsfor you and it's basically
overpowering your analyticalmind.
Okay, later on, just a fewyears later, you find out oh,
wait, a minute, these are bodythings, they're aliens that are

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doing that, and that you, notonly the engrams are like
whatever, but you created theengrams and you actually created
the reactive mind, correct?
And then later you find outthat your body thetans are the
ones that are making you do allkinds of nonsense.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, which is why, when you reach the state of
clear, you ain't off the hook interms of paying for Scientology
counseling, and you have a lotmore to still to do.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, so.
So he basically says he wasable to rise above the bank,
okay, and then he says we weredealing with only facts and the
above is a fact.
Oh, I didn't switch back overto me, sorry, claire's like
pointing at me.
We are dealing with only infacts and the above is a fact.
The group, left to its owndevices, would have not evolved

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Scientology, but, with wilddramatization of the bank called
, quote unquote, new ideas wouldhave wiped it out.
Supporting this is the factthat man has never before
evolved workable mentaltechnology and emphasizing it is
the vicious technology.
He did evolve Psychiatry,psychology surgery, shock

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treatment, whips, duress,punishment, et cetera ad
infinitum.
Okay, so he this, is it righthere?
He's basically saying I wasable to do it, nobody else was.
If I would have left it up toyou, schmuckos, you would have
jammed it up and, to prove thisfact, everybody else who's ever
done this also schmuckos, butbasically anybody.

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That's our competition,schmuckos.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, but also too I.
I'm sure many people have heardus talk about how Scientology
is anti-psychiatry,anti-psychology.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Here's just one of thousands of examples of
Hubbard's statements about it,documenting that fact that we
have climbed out of the mud bywhatever good luck and good
sense and refuse to sink backinto it again.
See that 7, 8, 9, and 10 aboveare ruthlessly followed and we

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will never be stopped.
Okay, so this is key, because 7, 8, 9, and 10 10, that's
basically Scientology, sayingyou have got to focus on 7, 8, 9
, and 10.
And that they will not bestopped.
This is the way they're goingto clear the planet.
This is the way they're goingto take over the whole situation

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.
Now let's just remember 7, 8, 9,and 10.
Hammering out of existenceincorrect technology so that
means psychiatry, psychology,any of that.
Knocking out incorrectapplications.
That's getting rid of the SPS,because the SPS are the ones
that are trying to changeScientology or get Scientology

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to stop disconnection or stopdoing this.
So you got to get rid of theSPs and then closing the door on
the possibility of incorrecttechnology and then closing the
door on incorrect application.
So those are the keys seven,eight, nine and 10.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yep.
And then don't forget the lastsentence relax them, get
reasonable about it and we willperish.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Okay Now in Scientology, reasonable about it
and we will perish.
Okay Now in Scientology.
Reasonable does not meanreasonable, it means the
opposite of reasonable.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
It does Like many things in Scientology.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yes, so, in the real world, when you say, oh, that's
reasonable, that means you'velooked at both sides and you've,
based on the facts present, youhave been able to determine the
course of direction that wewill go in.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
In Scientology.
Being reasonable means youdon't do the Scientology thing
and you basically you listen toother people's excuses and let
it be done that way.
Like I say, oh, we can't clearthe planet because that's too
many people, we don't haveenough time, and if people die

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every 80 to 100 years, thenwe'll have to start all over
again and we'll never do it.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
That's being reasonable if you go along with
that, that's right.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Okay, do we need to read this?
Yeah, we can read this lastthing.
Who cares?
He says.
So far, while keeping myself incomplete communication with all
suggestions, I have not failedon 7, 8, 9, and 10 in areas I
could supervise closely, butit's not good enough for just
myself and a few others to workat this.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Very nicely done honey to work at this.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Very nicely done, honey, anyway.
So again he's like hey, I can'tbe the only one doing this, we
got to get some big, big brainindividuals doing this as well.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
And that's.
And then, like Claire said veryshortly after this, the C
organization was formed, whereyou signed the billion year
contract and you got got to bedoing some KSW up in there too.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, and it is also interesting to consider for a
moment that just the evolutionfrom Dianetics the early days
and the I should say thedevolving into fanaticism and

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hardcore belief which we'regoing to go through.
A lot more of that here.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, that's true.
Oh, and the other thing is, ina lot of different cults,
religions etc.
There is a.
There is like, what do you callit, when you're just like a
fanatical?
There is a fanatical version ofthat thing where you say this
is the word, this is the gospel,and it can never, ever be

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different and it can neverchange, and it doesn't matter if
we've evolved or we know now.
That's not right.
No, it says in the originalteachings we've got to do that,
and so this policy sets upScientology that if you're in
Scientology, you're in thefanatical version of it.
There is no other version.

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You cannot be a non-fanaticalScientologist.
You have to follow it toHubbard's, every single, down to
the word.
If he said don't wash windowswith fricking Windex and paper
towels, you gots to be usingnewspaper and ammonia.
That's just how it is.
Okay.
Why don't you read this nextone?
Because I don't want to be justthe, the, the, the yapper hog

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here.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
All right, so and again, this is just the.
We could go through the entireparagraph, but this is the part
we've decided to cover.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
No, you've got to read.
Just read the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Okay.
The common denominator of agroup is the reactive bank.
Thetans, without banks, havedifferent responses.
They only have their banks incommon.
They agree, then, only on bankprinciples.
Person to person, the bank isidentical.
So constructive ideas areindividual and seldom get broad
agreement in a human group.

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An individual must rise abovean avid craving for agreement
from a humanoid group to getanything decent done.
The bank agreement has beenwhat has made earth a hell, and
if you were looking for hell andfound earth, it would certainly
serve.
War, famine, agony and diseasehas been a lot of man.

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Right now, the greatgovernments of earth have
developed the means of fryingevery man, woman and child on
the planet.
That is bank.
Oh my god, that is the resultof collective thought.
Agreement.
The decent, pleasant things onthis planet come from individual
actions and ideas that havesomehow gotten by the group idea

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, for that matter.
Look how we ourselves.
I have it covered up.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Are attacked by public opinion media.
Yet there is no more ethicalgroup on this planet than
ourselves.
And this is another where heputs this little fricking bug,
little bee, in your bonnet.
He says yet there is no moreethical group on this planet
than ourselves.
So when you're breaking upfamilies and you're stealing

(26:41):
$80,000 off the credit card ofan elderly, dying woman, Abusing
children with slave, makingthem do slave labor, separating
them from their family, theirparents.
Most ethical group on theplanet.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, forcing people to terminate pregnancies,
destroying family bonds, usingtax-exempt dollars to attack
people who are just sharingtheir experiences from a life
lived in Scientology yeah, theyare allegedly the most ethical
group on this planet.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
I got to show this real quick Question was the name
of Hubbard's Thetan barbiturate.
Also, how do scientists dealwith the contradictory
information?
Oh, scientologists deal withthe contradictory information as
they go up the line asindividuals in your experience.
Well, that's the thing they'renot allowed to have

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contradictory information.
That's not it.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
And this goes back to your description of reasonable
Like you can't have a differingperspective or anything contrary
to Scientology, so theyliterally just shutter it off.
You can't as we've said manytimes, you can't insert logic
into this like actual logic,because it just doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, okay, next page .

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Okay, squirreling.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Also, if you go like this, you just where's your
mouse, you just click, the thinggoes off.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Oh, perfect.
Thanks, honey, oopsies, oops, Ijust moved the whole time.
Squirreling, going off intoweird practices or altering
Scientology only comes aboutfrom non-comprehension.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Okay, now that's key right there.
So if you don't do Scientologyright, it's because you don't
understand it Right.
It's non-comprehension which ismaking Scientology not work.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
The misunderstood word.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Again, every time that this, this policy letter
just strings you along to allthese different things.
Oh, if you have doubts, that'sbecause you didn't have.
You didn't know it was correct.
Oh, you didn't work when youdid it, exactly how you were
supposed to do it.
That's because you don'tunderstand how it works.
So there's always an out forHubbard and Scientology.

(28:55):
There's always an out for them.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
In fact, we've talked before about the three barriers
to study, one of which is themisunderstood word, which is the
most important one, and one ofthe symptoms.
Like symptoms, what do theycall it?
The indicators of amisunderstood word.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, the symptoms.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, I know there's a word that's in the policy that
I'm blanking on, which is areally healthy sign for me
Indicators.
No, but that's okay.
But either way there's symptoms.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Manifestations.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Manifestations of a misunderstood word.
One of them is a blowunauthorized departure like.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Literally the reason somebody would altogether escape
is because of a misunderstoodword that's not talked about
very often well, they do saythat it's over some withholds,
but over its and withholdsbefore and overt and withhold
was a misunderstood word.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, all roads lead to Rome.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
All roads lead back to the course room or
interrogation or a dictionary?

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, confessions and using words and sentences.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yes, yeah, this should be called.
Somebody said this should becalled.
All the ways we blame you, it'snever us.
That's exactly that's why Iwanted to bring this up, because
if you meet any Scientologistsin the world, it doesn't matter,
they're all.
If you say what's the mostimportant policy in Scientology,
this is something they willalways give you the exact same

(30:24):
answer.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Absolutely.
There's no other policy If theybelieve in God, or ask them
what Scientology believes in.
Ask them anything, you'll get amillion different answers.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
But ask them what's the most important policy in all
of Scientology unanimously thispolicy and even, like we said
in the last video, when TomCruise there's one video of him
yapping Scientologies and hementions KSW twice In this
little few-minute video, hementions this policy and

(30:56):
references it throughout theentire interview.
And this is key because this andremember we said in the last
video every single time youcould do a hundred courses in
Scientology and on every singleone of those courses, this is
the very first policy readyletter you read Yep, no matter

(31:16):
if you've read it 20 timesbefore, you're still going to
read it.
And sometimes you're stillgoing to get what's called the
star rate checkout, which iswhere they quiz you and they ask
you to demonstrate things, andthey ask you they.
Basically anybody who's been inScientology for a minute, they
know all of the words in herethat the newbies don't know.
The real definition likereasonable.

(31:37):
That's a great one, because yousay, oh, it's from being
reasonable, and a newbie wouldthink, oh, okay.
So the reason we got into thismess is because people were
thinking clearly and makingproper decisions.
No, it's because they weregoing with the easy route.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, no way to way to insert devilish semantics to
twist people's minds.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, and if you, we were doing it.
Uh, an M nine and I wanted herto continue and say okay, go
ahead and continue from usually.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, start at the beginning of that sentence and
and uh, read on from there fromusually that sentence from
usually yeah, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I'm telling you to do that.
Okay, okay, hold on.
She's like thinking we're goingto have a conversation about
that part.
I'm like, no, get to reading.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Uh, usually the non-comprehension is not of
Scientology, but some earliercontact with an offbeat humanoid
practice which in its turn wasnot understood.
When people can't get resultsfrom what they think is standard
practice, they can be countedupon to squirrel to some degree.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Squirrel again.
We covered this in the lastvideo, but squirrel means when
you monkey with it.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, exactly, you had your own recipe.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
You had your own ingredients to the recipe.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
You're, you know, flying doing your own special
thoughts You're adding your own.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Let your freak flag fly, Betty.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
But people often ask us why is it called squirreling?
And this is the policy thatsays Hubbard's definition of
squirreling.
Of course he doesn't explainthe derivation as to why he's
that's such a negativeconnotation on poor, innocent
squirrels?

Speaker 1 (33:16):
I bet you that dude was just in the park in the
early days eating a bag of nutsand some squirrels just freaking
jumped him.
You know they took his nuts oh,my goodness.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Okay, uh, let's see.
The most trouble in the pasttwo years came from orgs where
an executive in each could notassimilate straight Scientology.
Under instruction inScientology, they were unable to
define terms or demonstrateexamples of principles, and the
orgs where they were got intoplenty of trouble.

(33:46):
I would think that's what weshould call a wrong.
Why that's not why were gotinto plenty of trouble.
I would think that's what weshould call a wrong.
Why that's not why they gotinto plenty of trouble, but
whatever.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Well, they got in trouble because they were doing
Scientology.
Scientology is not fun.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
No, and worse, it could not be straightened out
easily because neither one ofthese people could or would.
Duplicate instructions Isduplicate.
Duplicate is a differentdefinition too.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, I mean, in Scientology they have this thing
which is called thecommunication cycle, and when
you say something to somebody,it's important to understand
that they duplicate, that theyunderstand what you're saying,
so it doesn't mean to make acopy of it, right?
Duplicate in Scientology?
I think that is its owndefinition.

(34:36):
I don't think that's a realworld definition.
Okay, so if you say, do youduplicate what I'm saying, it
doesn't mean do you duplicatewhat I'm saying?
No, it means it's still meansdo you understand?

Speaker 2 (34:46):
please don't talk to me like that.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
You're triggering can you imagine it?
I, I never say, I don't eversay that no, no, did you
duplicate what I said?

Speaker 2 (34:56):
I mean, it sounds like freaking android robot
language yeah, did you duplicatethat, oh my gosh, okay, well,
if, if I have copy and paste.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
I can duplicate shit all day.
Come on, take anything.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
All right, let's see here, so go ahead and continue
on from hence.
Okay.
Hence a debacle resulted in twoplaces directly traced to
failures of instruction earlier.
So proper instruction is vital.

(35:30):
The director of training andhis instructors, and all
Scientology instructors, must bemerciless in getting four,
seven, eight, nine and 10.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
See again, he kind of flips the script there and he
throws four in out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah, which again.
At least, we reoriented you toseven, eight, nine and 10 at the
start of this video.
We're not going back to four.
Now you understand why.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
I think it's applying correctly.
Correctly, the correcttechnology.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Is it?
Let me see If I win, guys,let's see.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
It's not going back Teaching correctly the correct
technology.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
There you go, there you go.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
I was off by one word .
That's it.
I'm going to the gulags.
Okay, let's go back to here.
Let's it.
I'm going to the gulags.
Okay, let's go back to here,let's go Now.
I got to click all these things.
I did.
Oh wait.
Oh no, I didn't, I went too far.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Oh yeah, you did Okay .

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Okay, we did this one .
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
No.
Yeah we did you were at the end.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, you had a misunderstood.
You didn't comprehend it.
Yeah, and when you don'tcomprehend it, you can't
duplicate and followinstructions.
Debacles ensue.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Did I cover?
Is that it?
That's what we're at, we're upto speed.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
That's exactly where we're at.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Damn Damn Sam Okay.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
I, since we're down on a mod today.
Okay, when somebody enrolls,consider he or she has joined up
for the duration of theuniverse.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
This is what Tom Cruz is talking about in the Black
Turtleneck video.
He even kind of hints to thiswhole thing that's in here and
he kind of reg regurgitates LRon Hubbard and then says it in
his own words in the video.
So just read that whole dangthing.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, okay, um, never permit an open-minded approach.
If they're going to quit, letthem quit fast.
If they enrolled, they're aboard, and if they're a board,
they're here on the same termsas the rest of us.
Win or die in the attempt.
Never let them be half-mindedabout being Scientologists.

(37:35):
The finest organizations inhistory have been tough,
dedicated organizations.
Not one namby pamby bunch ofpanty waist dilettantes have
ever made anything.
It's a tough universe.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
the social veneer makes it seem mild, but only the
tigers survive, and even theyhave a hard time yeah, in the
video, in the tom cruise video Ithink, he says oh, it's wild
and woolly out there, orsomething like that.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, I know, and it's even.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
It's even stranger in retrospect to think about that
video and think about, like nowonder the real world was like
this dude has lost his marblesbut he's using Scientologies and
he's talking as if he weretalking to Scientologists,

(38:30):
because that black turtleneckvideo was never supposed to be
seen outside of Scientology.
It was going to be played atthe 2004 international
association of Scientologistevent and it was only going to
be watched by Scientologists,right?
So okay, did we get it?
Did you get where?

Speaker 2 (38:49):
did we get to?
No hold on.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
We got to get to this one because this is good, this
is really good.
You got the Namby PambyPattiway Stilatons.
You got that yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
We'll survive because we are tough and are dedicated.
When we do instruct somebodyproperly, he becomes more and
more tiger.
When we instruct half-mindedlyand are afraid to offend, scared
to enforce, we don't makestudents into good
Scientologists and that letseverybody down.
When Mrs Patty Cake comes to usto be taught, turn that

(39:18):
wandering doubt in her eye intoa fixed, dedicated glare and
she'll win.
And we'll all win.
Humor, her and we all die alittle.
The proper instruction attitudeis you're here, so you're a
scientologist.
Now we're going to make youinto an expert auditor.
No matter what happens, we'drather have you dead than
incapable did you read that lastpart?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
we'd rather have you dead than incapable that's
scientology for you.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
But oh, let's not forget, we accept people of all
religions we're the most ethicalpeople on the planet yes, uh,
yeah, whatever it's literallylike we'd rather have you dead
than incapable, that's.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
that's a direct quote from L Ron Hubbard.
Okay, next page.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Okay, next page.
We're not playing some minorgame in Scientology.
It isn't cute or something todo for lack of something better.
The whole agonized future ofthis planet, every man, woman
and child on it, and your owndestiny for the next endless
trillions of years, depends onwhat you do here and now with

(40:32):
and in Scientology.
This is a deadly seriousactivity and if we miss getting
out of the trap now, we maynever again have another chance.
Remember, this is our firstchance to do so in all the
endless trillions of years ofthe past.
Don't muff it now because itseems unpleasant or unsocial to

(40:54):
do seven, eight, nine and 10.
Yeah, and this.
This, by the way, thisparticular paragraph.
The reason I highlighted thisone is because this is what they
use to make people sign billionyear contracts.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yes, they do, and and I did want to say that when
this policy letter was writtenit was in the 60s.
So they just come out of abunch of wars, you've got atomic
bombs, you've got nucleartechnology, the Soviets are
launching rockets and they gointo the moon, all kinds of

(41:26):
stuff's going on.
And this is a thing thatScientology, this is a button or
like a um, it's a weakness thatthey push on people Like it's
like hey, you need to join theSea Org.
And it's like oh, I want to bea, I want to be a surfer, I want
to be a ski patrol.
And they're like dude, no one'sgoing to, you're not saving
anybody with.

(41:47):
You know, surfing the wholeplanet's going to be crisp
charcoal and what's that goingto be Right?
So it's always like we're underthis we're under this deadline
that is going to happen anysecond.
That this whole place isobliterated.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah, this is Scientology's ultimate call to
action.
The planet is going to bedestroyed.
This is your one chance inmillions of years to make a
difference and do somethingabout it.
So just become a slave.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, and they want you to basically be like if it
goes wrong it's your faultbecause you didn't do anything.
And the drugs, crime, mentalillnesses, you know, any problem
in the world Scientology cansolve.
So if you don't do this, you'reyou're.

(42:36):
You're basically setting it upto fail by not doing this Right.
And so when the when they'retrying to get you to give money,
when they're trying to get youto join the Sea Org, when
they're trying to get you tojoin staff or like a two and a
half or a five-year contract ina local Scientology organization
, they just jam this down.
And especially for the youngerfolks, they know their parents

(43:01):
have been in Scientology most ofthe time and the parents can't
give any more money and so theykind of want their child to go
into it.
And if your child joins up forthe Sea Org or for staff, then
you get like a sort of littlebump in your status because of
that.
And if that person ends up inRTC or at the international

(43:22):
headquarters, then you'rebasically like a rockstar
Scientology parent that youraised somebody that went all
the way to the top of the Corganization and you get extra
street cred because of that.
For sure.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I mean that's what happened with my mother.
I've talked about that beforeshe.
She was in the C organizationuntil I was 10 years old and
then she left and, um, so shewas had to pay a freeloader bill
, do lower conditions and so onand so forth, and she had to do
extra steps to be authorizedyears later to do the upper

(43:58):
advanced operating Thetan levelsof Scientology.
And in her package ofdocumentation she included that
she'd allowed her 16-year-oldchild to go off to an unknown
location where she had noawareness of, where she even
worked for 14 years and hadsigned over guardianship.
So yeah, she's a goodScientologist.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, well, and that's the other kind of thing
that's a little silly in this.
This is basically likeeverything's going to die and
we're all going to the planet'sgoing to be gone if we don't get
the planet cleared, like rightnow.
Right, and, and Hubbard andmany other Hubbard policies he
talks about, like we don't havedecades to do this, we have

(44:39):
months and years.
Okay, and oh, claire, justboofed everything.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Hold on a second?
No, I didn't, I just took thepolicy down.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Oh, we don't, there's no more slides.
Oh well, then you go.
You hit this button.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
I know that's what I was working on until you called
me out so rudely holy moly, so Igotta deal with this.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
It's like I'm just kidding okay, anyway, it's
always like we got to do it.
Now we got.
This thing was written in 1965.
Exactly Nothing's happened.
Nope, we're good.
Yep Shit, sure, yep Shithappens.
Yeah, but Scientology ain'tstopped nothing.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Nope, there are more ex-Scientologists and ex-SEERG
members than there areScientologists.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
It's ridiculous.
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
So even if you're aScientologist, there are less
Scientologists now than therewere in 1965.
That should tell you something,guys.
You ain what it is.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
They make it somebody said that in an extreme call to
action.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Fly by.
Here it is.
Yeah, jesse, jesse Bluma.
Thank you, jesse.
Manufacturing a crisis is aneffective tactic High pressure
groups, politicians andsalespeople use.
Yeah, if you don't go my way,bad shit's going to happen up
ahead.
There's a roadblock up therethat only I know about, and if
we go this other direction,we're not going to hit the

(46:09):
roadblock.
Nothing bad's going to happento us.
And that is how Scientology,that's how they get these people
to do it, and once they get youin, that's all they need, guys.
They just need to get you inthere and they just need to get
you a little.
You're wrapped up in all thisstuff, and then you get a family
member in, and then you getmaybe you move over to a

(46:30):
Scientology company.
That's it.
You're stuck Because if youdon't go with the flow, you're
going to lose your job.
You're going to lose, now, theperson that you got into
Scientology.
So this is what happens toparents.
They think this is the way togo.
They get their kids in, theyget the family in, and then they
go up the bridge and they'relike oh my God, this is a bunch

(46:52):
of nonsense.
And now they're screwedbecause-.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
They're deep in Scientology's spider web and
they're stuck.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
And this is what happens.
When we talk to people, whenthey call in or they contact the
Aftermath Foundation, we hearfrom these people and they're in
this web of nonsense andthere's no easy way to not
navigate the web, because that'sthe way it's designed.
It's designed to lead you downa path.

(47:19):
It's like the.
It's like Chinese finger cuffsyou can put your fingers in, but
you can't be pulling them out.
Okay, it's only you can only go, that you can only keep going
in Scientology.
And if you jump out early, thenyou jump out a low right and
you jump out on your own and youjump out with as little as
possible because we've taken allyour money, we've, we, we,

(47:42):
everybody that's in your life'sin Scientology.
So when you leave you andthat's the key thing I want to
make sure people understand,because a lot of people say, if
you're in Scientology and you'renot in the C organization, just
leave.
It's not that easy and that'swhy it's sort of like yes, of
course, the C org members areprobably the most vulnerable, I

(48:03):
would say.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
For sure, and because and primarily that's because
Sea Org members are the mostisolated, the most controlled
and are the most cut off fromaccess to the outside world and
access to their family, who arenot in Scientology and all those
other elements that generallyin the course of someone's life

(48:26):
is a positive influence and afoundational building block of a
, you know, a human being.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Yeah, and and also, when a Sea Org member leaves,
most of the time the only placethey'd ever have to go is to
their family, right, and so iftheir family's in Scientology,
then they don't really have away to go.
If you're not in the Corganization and you're like I
don't want to do any Scientologyanymore, a lot of you could

(48:53):
just not do Scientology.
And it's not going to be theend of the world.
You still can't be talking shitabout it.
You can't be telling otherpeople that you had some sort of
epiphany, that this is a bunchof nonsense.
You have to keep playing thegame.
You got to play along, to stayalong.

(49:16):
If you're in the Sea Org, thereis no way to not play along.
You have to do whatever you'retold because you've got nowhere
to go.
And the thing I wanted to sayabout that is that we can't call
these people, we can't emailthese people.
So the billboards is kind ofone of the few things that we
can get.
We know they have to go fromwhere they live to where they

(49:36):
work, and if they see somethingon the way, great.
And also people say, well, whatif it's not, why are we have
these other ones all over town.
Well, sometimes Sea Org membersget sent out to do stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, and and also on that front.
The other reason is that veryoften in places where there are
a lot of Sea Org members,there's a lot of Scientologists.
And so if you have a familymember who's in the Sea Org,
then then you know, oh good,there's a resource that I can

(50:08):
help my family member get out.
In fact, we've told this storyto.
The last time we were inClearwater, we were at a
restaurant, you know, and wewere just sitting down, a bunch
of us having dinner, and thiswoman was looking over at us and
and it became obvious she wastrying to say something to us.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Even the restaurant staff were like hey, we've seen
this, she was trying to saysomething to us.
Even the restaurant staff werelike, hey, we've seen this woman
a lot since you've been hereand she keeps clocking you guys,
Do you need us to do anything?

Speaker 2 (50:36):
And then and she, this woman, came up to us and
said my child is in the Corganization.
Thank you so much foreverything that you do and, um,
for being there as a resource tohelp when my child is ready to
get out.
So that's the other reason.
It's just awareness andknowledge of the programs that

(50:56):
we have to help people.
So totally.
Yeah, which we have an excitingannouncement coming soon at the
end of this episode.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Well, we can just say right now this is where we're
at, we're not at the very end.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
So, starting tomorrow on the Michael J Rinder
Aftermath Foundation YouTubechannel, myself as board
president and Phil Jones, as ournew executive director, will be
starting the Foundation Feedseries, where we will strictly
and purely and only be talkingabout the work that the Michael

(51:31):
J Rinder Aftermath Foundationdoes.
We'll be diving deep into allthe programs testimonials,000
subscribers, at which point wecan then host Aftermath
Foundation fundraisers there foranyone who wants to support our

(51:54):
work, and even if you just wantto support by clicking the
subscribe button, we include thelink to the channel in our
video description.
So we really hope you can joinPhil and I tomorrow on the
Aftermath YouTube page.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
What time is that going to be?

Speaker 2 (52:09):
It is going to be at 2 pm Mountain Standard Time.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Okay, there you guys go.
You heard it here.
Okay, let's do.
Oh, we got some super chats,we'll read those real quick and
then we'll get to a bunch ofthese questions.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yes, all right.
Debbie Baker, love the both ofyou.
Thank you, debbie.
We appreciate it.
Thank you for being here andsupporting the work that we do.
Oh, somebody.
Oh, look at this.
Okay, betsy Sue Love the newMichael J Rinder Aftermath
Foundation video clip Beautiful.
Yes, as we just mentioned,we're going to be putting up a

(52:41):
lot of new content there.
It just makes things way morestraightforward to have a
dedicated foundation channelwhere we talk about that and, of
course, everything that goes onon that channel is in support
of the Aftermath Foundationdirectly.
So the channel is not yetmonetized.

(53:01):
When it does, any funds raisedwill go directly to the
Aftermath Foundation.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Yeah, I think we need to get up to at least 10,000
subscribers as one of themonetization milestones, and
then we need to get a lot ofwatch hours, so we're going to
be putting a bunch of content upthere.
I just had a good idea.
I think we should just recutany of the survivor stories.
We could recut those with anintro, an Aftermath intro and

(53:30):
outro, and then put those up onthe channel as well.
Brilliant, yes.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
And specifically the 10,000 subscribers for anyone
who's curious about thatspecific number.
The Aftermath Foundation is anauthorized nonprofit through
YouTube.
However, for a channel tooriginate a fundraiser in which
Google and YouTube cover all ofthe fees, so generally, when

(53:54):
someone does a super chat, forexample, youtube takes 30%.
When you do a fundraiserthrough YouTube, they cover all
the fees.
So every single dollar donatedand support goes directly to the
approved nonprofit throughYouTube.
So it's a really greatfunctionality and it makes so

(54:14):
much sense to use that platformto share the successes and the
work that we do.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yeah, totally, when we do a fundraiser for the
aftermath, it works that way.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yes, it does.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
But then if you do a super chat or people watch the
video later, it's just.
It's just a little convolutedon where all the funds are going
.
But if it's an aftermathchannel doing an aftermath
foundation, a foundation video,and everything goes straight to
the aftermath.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Yeah and um, any other channel that wants to
support that fundraiser can doso.
So, for example, it willoriginate on the Aftermath
Foundation YouTube channel and,of course, bfg and anyone else.
Any other channels that want tosupport the work that we do can
do so.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
And they could list that as the receiver of any
funds that get donated.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Exactly yep.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Awesome.
Okay, let's keep going withthese questions and super chats
here.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Okay, todd Johnson, I approve the beard removal.
15 years younger.
Yes, my handsome hubby is back.
I mean, I love the beard honey.
I really did.
He does not.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Shannon.
Thank you, that's very generousShannon.
I was wondering.
I didn't see any Shannoncomments and then there she is.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yes, yay, shannon, debbie Baker, we did that.
One Love the both of you.
Thank you, debbie.
Okay, good Then I think we'llcut up on those.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Okay, Now there's a ton of great questions, yeah,
and and comments.
Techie said I lost my beard tobe in the film history of an
e-meter and you just confirmedthat I know who this is.
I thought I.
I thought I recognized thescreen name from years and years
ago.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Um, okay.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Thank you for being here.
All right, lillian, what isyour take on the new Tom Cruise
relationship with Ana de Armas?
De Arma, I'm not sure how yousay it.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah, you did, you did fine.
Okay, you did so you didn't.
Saskia, chewing that one up,I'm sad.
I really liked Anna to Armis Iknow her from.
She was in the John.
She's been in a there's a Johnwick movie with her in it, yes,
and she's been in all kinds ofother stuff.
But I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Hopefully she'll get her Google foo on as you like to
say.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah, I mean, there's no way.
There's not a million peopletelling her like whoa, pump the
brakes.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, but it is what it is, guys, I'm telling you, if
you're anyone who didn't knowwho she is now definitely knows
who she is and is very concernedabout her safety.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Yeah, but if you, I don't know, it's a weird thing.
There's no better hookup.
You're going to get more gigs,or at least you think you're
going to get more gigs and youthink you're going to be more
successful.
And if this person's thatsuccessful, I don't know, I

(57:05):
don't even know that it's true.
I mean, it does look likethey're getting a little handsy
with each other.
So, you know, I don't knowPeople.
I mean, if Tom Cruise doesanything, somebody sends me an
email and says what do you thinkabout this?
And I'm just like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Oh, this is a good one.
Linda P Golan just said thegossip people are calling TC
with Anna a showmance.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
A showmance, a showmance, oh, here it is.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Oh, that's funny.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know, yeah, Idon't.
Uh, I would say to Anna, Iwould say it's time to GTFO.
You haven't gotten.
There's no big problems rightnow.
You can get out.
Right now.
We'll be the least resistance.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Okay, I have a message for Anna.
Judge a man by how he treatshis children and look at Tom
Cruise's actions as a father,and that should tell you
everything you need to knowabout who that man is.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Yeah, well, that's a good point too.
That's, that's a.
That's a good point, I knowAlso this is another great point
Scientology is the expert onrelationships.
Okay, they're the experts.
They know how to have asuccessful relationship, and
that's why L Ron Hubbard nevertalked to his kids.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
He let his wife take the fall for his criminal
actions.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
And when asked about his third wife, he claimed he
didn't have a second wife.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Yeah, yeah, no.
When he when asked about hissecond wife, he said I never had
a second wife, even though hewas on his third wife.
So technically she would havebeen his second wife, the one
his third wife.
But he said I never had asecond wife.
What the hell?
He's on his third wife.
I never had a second wife.
It's the best.
There's an interview.

(58:47):
We got to find that, we got toclip that, but my gosh.
And then he ended up banishinghis wife when she got out of
prison and she died alone in LosFeliz of all places.
Yeah, and then you go.
Okay, that was Hubbard, it wasa long time ago.
Oh, what's Miscavige up to?

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
His family is all jacked up His brother, his dad,
his family is destroyed.
His brother, his dad, hisfamily is destroyed.
And the few Miscaviges that arestill in Scientology?
They ain't never going to beanything of anything because
they've all been giant screw-upsaccording to him.
So he ain't doing much better.

(59:29):
And then what's Tom?
Tom Cruise?
This is like marriage numberthree.
No, this would be marriage orrelationship, marriage number
four or relationship number 500.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Who knows?

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yeah, who knows, but yeah, he's not doing too good in
the relationship department,and that is Scientology guys and
yet Scientology is a workabletechnology and you must know it
is correct.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Gosh the contradictions is never end.
Apostate, alex.
This policy is what makesscientology totalitarian and
extremist, aka dangerous yeah,this is where you have that
fanatical scientology.
There's no um, there's no wayto not be a fanatical science in
the words of L Ron Hubbard youwin or die in the attempt.

(01:00:17):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
That's what he said, paul.
Well, I never actually caught alive.
Young Claire and your newunbearded technical assistant,
yay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
That's it, an unbearded technical assistant.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
I was just waiting for the comments about you know.
Anyway, whatever, I'm not evengoing to go there, nevermind
Todd Johnson.
Besides Mark's book, whichtells the Miscavige years
barefaced Messiah, gives a verygood feel for the life and
bizarre things he did over theyears.
Yes, I never um skip anopportunity to recommend that
book to anyone wanting to knowthe true history of L Ron

(01:00:55):
Hubbard.
Really good point.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Yep, what do we got here?

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Betsy Sue question does Scientology use a special
Hubbard dictionary or Webster's?
Yes, that's a great, that's areally good question.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
There's two Scientology dictionaries.
Well, there were when we werethere.
They might have a new one now,or we would know if they did.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Yeah, there's the red , one red cover.
That's the technical dictionary.
So that is, you know, like thisfat and is where all technical
related words.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Like counseling and auditing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
And reactive mind and so on and so forth.
And then there's a differentdictionary for all
organizational policy relatedwords.
Some words, a handful of words,are in both dictionaries, but
not for the most part they'redistinct.
So when you go to study in aScientology course room, you get
your course pack, your checksheet, a technical dictionary,

(01:01:53):
an admin dictionary and whateverEnglish language dictionary you
also use.
So you know it takes up a hugeamount of real estate to study
Scientology.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Yeah, and they do actually have Hubbard, and
Scientology routinely updates it, but they have, like, what are
the approved dictionaries to use?
Because some dictionaries touse, because some dictionaries
don't have derivations in it?
Right, and whenever you areclearing or looking up or or
finding out a misunderstood wordin Scientology using the

(01:02:25):
dictionary you have to use, youhave to learn every single
definition of the word.
So if the definition that youneed is the second definition,
you have to then clear the other18 definitions and use them in
sentences and then find thederivation and all that good
stuff and then, only then, yougo back and read that and with

(01:02:48):
all that God forbid you yawn,yeah if you yawn.
If you're ever in a Scientologycourse room, do not be tired and
yawn, because if you yawn, thenthat means you have a
misunderstood.
That is a manifestation ofhaving a misunderstood.
Word is that you're sleepy ortired, or sometimes yawn.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
So let me ask you this Do you agree that most Sea
Org members are expert at hidinga yawn, so you literally cannot
see that they're yawning?

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Yeah, so I was good for I'm very good, but I have a
tell.
Okay, I don't know if you guyscan see this, but his nose
flares up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
That's his till.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
That's my whole face getting scrunched up.
My nose gets white right hereIf I yawn.
No matter what I do.
No matter what I do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
I hate to say honey, but you're out of practice.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
I am out of practice, but I used to be able to sit
there and be at the table andnot do it, but no matter what my
nose would.
But I'll tell you what.
Even that, okay, you're sittingthere, you're studying, you
have to, you have to pull off ayawn and just do one of these
and then you just take it off.

(01:04:02):
You know, yeah, no, when I wasdoing.
It's funny that I, when I metClaire, it was one of the times
that I studied in the courseroom the longest is when I was
doing.
This course called the key tolife in Scientology and on the
key to life, basically what youdo.
L Ron Hubbard believed so muchthat the misunderstood word was

(01:04:23):
destroying the entire planetthat he wrote an evaluation on
why the world was failing, andit's called specifically why Sea
Org members were failing to gethis orders done.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Not unlike David Miscavige's reason for creating
the hole, by the way, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
So what he did was he did an evaluation.
It was called the World Out ofCommunication, eval.
Yes, and the reason the worldwas out of communication?
You guys are going to love thisbecause this is basically the
solution to all mankind'sproblems.
Who knew the world?
The reason the world is out ofcommunication is because it has
misunderstood words.

(01:04:59):
But they're not just anymisunderstood words, they're
small common words like a andthis B, two at these are the
words 80 of them in that book.
Yeah, so on this course, the Keyto Life.
They actually got Disneycartoonists to make basically a

(01:05:26):
giant children's picture book ofthe definitions of all small
common words and every singlepossible definition of every
single one, and it's called thekey to life.
And you have to, you just haveto basically do what we said an
M, nine word clear.
You sit across from somebodyand you sit there and you just

(01:05:47):
do, you go hey, and then you goperson, place or thing or this
or that or you know whatever.
And then, um, if you mess up,what do you do when you mess up?
well, when you're, you can'tlook up a word yeah, no um you
have to look up the word in thebook.
How does that work?
I don't remember that they havethey.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
There's a glossary at the back that's right, there's
a glossary word that's used inthe small common words book yes
is in the glossary because, yeah, what?
During the time that you'redoing the key to life course,
you're not allowed to read any,any other policy not even a
dictionary.
No, not a dictionary either.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Yeah, You're not allowed to read anything besides
that book, because then you'llget more misunderstood and it'll
slow you down.
So you have to only read thesewords and then make sure you
understand every single word.
And when this came out in thelate 80s the key to life and the
life orientation course DavidMiscavige was actually in charge

(01:06:45):
and he actually is the one whoreleases them and he goes out on
the stage and he's like this isgoing to blow Scientology wide
open.
And this is it.
This is the thing WheneverScientology releases a new
course or a new book or a newlecture series from L Ron
Hubbard, it's always gonna bethe.
Thing you know what we we?

(01:07:06):
There was six bolts holding thethe top down and we got rid of
five of them, but we didn't knowthere was a sixth bolt and this
is going to blow the top off.
And then it never does.
Ever does.
Scientologists that arewatching this?
Where's the key to life?
It got released like 30 yearsago, ain't?

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
nobody doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
In fact, Miscavige has since canceled the key to
life course, because it wasscrewed up by a bunch of people
that used to work for Hubbardand even though, even though the
course was developed based onHubbard's evaluation, like you
said, and he was the one whooversaw it being released the
last time People have amnesia inScientology.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Especially David Miscavige, who's trying to
forget.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Oh, Phil's here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
If you ask a Scientologist how they've
improved things, they'll usuallytalk about anti-drug stuff and
other things, but never how thetech improved things.
Yeah, really good point.
That is exactly that is true.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Yep, they say we get people off drugs and then you go
, like then why are you shuttingdown all the drug rehab?
Is it because they were killingpeople there?
People were dying in that place?
Yeah, yep, that's why theydon't have Narconons anymore, or
very few, okay.
Anything else, we got any othergood ones here that I missed.
Oh, this is a good one, okay,london.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
What happens if you're dyslexic?

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Yeah, nothing different, same old, same old
Well no, you're going to readthe they're talking to.
I think that came when we weredoing the M9 portion.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Oh, yeah, like if you're dyslexic.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
And also, by the way, Tom Cruise claims that he was
dyslexic, or he was diagnosed asbeing dyslexic and so he could
never read and he could neverlearn things.
And now he's like I fly planesnow and you're like OK, I'm not
sure if you left Scientologythat your plane flying ability
would leave Right?

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
And also he seems to be on the outside of the planes
whenever I see him in the movie.
If he's flying them, he shouldbe on the inside.
That's where the flying getsdone.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Yeah, might have skipped a step in pilot school
Stay in the plane.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Yeah, don't be climbing on the wing, dude Get
in it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Yeah, yep, yep.
Love and Life.
Did you guys ever hear howMiscavige reacted to your both
escaping?
Oh, to be a fly on that wall,lol.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Well, she was there when I escaped.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yeah, and he was like get him back.
Yeah, he was like he blamed itactually on management
executives and said that DavidMiscavige said, after Mark had
escaped, that Mark was one ofthe only people getting his
orders done, and to get him back, pronto.
That's why I had to kind of puta pause on my escape plans
because, you know, if I, ifthey're bringing him back, as
David Miscavige ordered, then ofcourse if I make an escape,
then we're going to be passingon the highway and the end
result will still be the sameWe'd never see each other, ever

(01:09:54):
again.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Yeah, and they did play that.
That was the story for a while,like, oh, you got to come back,
everything's good.
And this is.
Davis said this none of this ison you.
This is 100% not on you.
On you, on me, yes, not on me.
It's on these guys that muckedthis whole thing up.
Yes, even though he's the onethat kind of wrote that dispatch

(01:10:15):
to me.
That was like what has he beenup to?
If he has, though, I don't havethe submission, even though he
did have it, it was just not tohim yet.
It was like being bounced upbetween people that were
supposed to read bureaucraticnonsense.
You can read my book if you wantto know about all that
craziness.
Okay, let's do, let's do.

(01:10:42):
Oh, we got to do a giveaway.
Yes, it's a giveaway, yes, it'sa giveaway.
And then we'll do a few lastones.
Oh look, salty beach girllaurie caught the end of a live
on my birthday, happy birthday.
There you go.
Happy birthday, there you go.
Happy birthday.
Happy birthday, yes.
Happy birthday, yay.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Good job, salty, yes, okay, um, there's so many
things okay, so we're gonna do agiveaway, and then can we give
away.
Can we play the um aftermathtrailer at the very end?
You want to do that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
sure we can do that, yeah okay, there's 73 people
that have commented.
Anybody who's commented, you'reautomatically entered in to the
giveaways.
We don't have any keywordsanymore, it's easier.
Just you comment, you, you'rein.
Um, so I'm gonna draw.
We got 73 people that havecommented so far in this video
and there we go Draw.

(01:11:18):
I hit the button, there it is.
Oh, I always liked this Cause.
Then you get to see all thesethe frequent flyers and we get
to see anybody.
Oh, uh, uh, uh, shannon, didshe win?

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
before.
Yeah, like months and monthsago.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Shannon.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Congratulations, shannon.
Yay, shoot me an email, claire,at blown for goodcom with what
you'd like, so good job.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Congratulations, Shannon.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
They have a lot of merch too.
She sends me pictures with withwearing merch, or they've sent
me things.
Good job, shannon.
Okay, okay, let's just see.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
So yes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Music from.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Mars.
Recap of oh, music from Mars.
How many of those languagebooks have been translated into
how many languages?
Yeah, I don't know, likeDianetics has been translated
the most.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
I think like 50 languages.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Yeah, something like that A lot.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Yeah, swahili Urdu.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yeah, and ironically we have some great book news
coming.
I'm not going to spill thebeans on it.
We'll save those stories forwhen we do the making of Bloom
for Good episode.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
I like beans, don't be spilling any beans, keep them
on the plate or the containeror whatever they're doing.
Okay, what do we want to play?
Oh, you want me to play thevideo.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Okay, we'll play that , just a reminder to anyone
who's joined us late please joinus tomorrow over at the Michael
J Render Aftermath FoundationYouTube channel where myself and
Phil Jones, as our newexecutive director, will be
starting a new series on thatchannel called the Foundation
Feed, where we will be talkingabout all the many different

(01:13:00):
programs, what the AftermathFoundation has been working on
testimonials, survivor stories,you name it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Okay, good, and with that, this is.
It's just basically like alittle intro to the channel and
maybe we'll use it as the introto videos and stuff like that.
Here we go, I like it.
There you go.

(01:13:27):
Simple, sweet, simple.
It's a.
Thank you, mitch and Jeff andeverybody who worked on that.

(01:13:47):
We've got all kinds of new goodstuff coming up on the
Aftermath channel and on the BFGchannel.
We have some stuff we're goingto be cooking up, some new stuff
we're going to be cooking upyes, and let's cover one last
question here oh my goodnessokay uh, katrina.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
I worked at a coffee shop a few miles away from the
int base in san jacinto.
Scientologists wearing theirseorg uniforms would come in.
Who is who is allowed to leavethe base for shopping like this?
Really good question it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
It is.
Yeah, Usually it's going to bepeople that have jobs that take
them off of the property.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
So or or the handful of staff that own cars, which is
a very small percentage.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Yeah, but even I've heard that even those people
aren't really allowed to drivearound just willy nilly anymore.
They have to cause they live onthe property now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
So it's so.
It's not really.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
It's changed a lot since, since the 20 years since
we escaped but like, even likepurchasers that have to go in
and buy things from the hardwarestore or suppliers in town, um,
and you bet, if they get offthe property they're going to go
somewhere and get some food,because the food is not.
It's not the the best, it's nothorrible all of the time, but

(01:14:58):
it I mean Burger King or Jack inthe Box was like a lifeline for
many years to be able to get abacon, western bacon cheese or
whatever they have over thereJack in the Box, jack, whatever,
I don't even know what theycall it anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
My personal favorite was the sourdough breakfast
sandwich.
Egg rolls, we'd get egg rolls,cheese sticks, onion rings,
sourdough breakfast.
I mean gosh, when you'restarving, when you literally
like I.
By by the time I we left, I was, I weighed less than a hundred
pounds, like 25 pounds less thanI weigh right now, and, my

(01:15:36):
goodness, a sourdough breakfastsandwich that would like sustain
you for another week.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
It literally was like oh, I'm good to go, I'm power,
I'm repowered up for like,another month here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
It's like Mario mushrooms, um, anyway and, by
the way, you reminded me withthis question, reminded me of
the famous Hillary Desitel,who's the public relations
officer for Golden EraProductions.
She was another example ofsomeone who would go out to town
, for example, like when shewent to Walmart to buy Suri
Cruz's baby present when Surihad been born.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
That was one of the biggest spy versus spy
operations that we ran was wedid a cover story in I want to
say what.
Maybe there was some magazines,but I think it was in like the
new york post or something thatlike on tuesday she's buying
stuff for surrey because tom isgoing to come to the property
and surrey's going to come tothe property, yeah, and she's

(01:16:33):
buying them.
The most famous Scientologistshe's going to Wally's and like
got to get some toys for thatSuri, she's got to get some
really high quality items.
And then on Wednesday it was inthe New York post that she was
shopping.
What a what an operation.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
And the ultimate irony is the only reason we knew
that information is because wewere actively working on
breaking out a Sea Org member atthat time.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
And we had a spy that was going to the property and
we'll put a link to that in thedescription, or maybe I'll make
it one of the recommended videosat the end when they come up.
And but but yeah, he, our spy,his wife ran into her at the
Walmart Right and that's how shewas blabbing that she was

(01:17:19):
buying Siri presents.
Yep, okay, here's a good one.
We could use this.
We can send Leah a screenshotof this.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Heidi question Could you get Leah to do a video for
the new channel?
Yes, we will absolutely work onthat.
I'm sure she would love to.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
I don't know if she can do videos in the middle of
her lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Yeah, so if anything, she's very, very supportive of
the work that we do and we havea lot of upcoming things that um
yeah, we can also clip videosthat she's done on our channel
where she talks about aftermath,and just put them on the
channel.
Yes, great idea.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Okay, guys, I think we did it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
I think we made it to the very end.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
I'm going to try something new I'm going to put.
Let's see what happens when Ido this.
I can put it up on the wind, awindow up on the screen.
Now they've upgraded thestreaming platform so when
somebody does a comment it willautomatically go up onto the
screen.
So when I run the outro video,if you guys comment, you'll see

(01:18:19):
there it is.
You'll see your comments on theend of the video.
It won't be big and across thebottom, but they'll just scroll
there.
So if you want to guys want tosay hi to somebody or you know
an ending message or whatever,you can put it in there, um and
then um, your comments will beon the video for in perpetuity.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Yes, so don't forget to join Phil and I tomorrow at 2
PM mountain standard time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
On Michael J Rinder aftermath foundation YouTube
channel and we put a link in ourdescription for the aftermath
and we'll put links toeverything else we talked about
in there too.
And then, um, yeah, we'll put alink to that video.
So if you want to watch it, um,just go in the description and
if this video if you're watchingthis on a replay, you know, in
2027, the link to the video isgoing to send you over to the

(01:19:08):
other thing Perfect.
Okay, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Sounds good.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Till next time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
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