Unveiling Scientology's Sea Org Mysteries: Billion-Year Contracts, Xenu Myths, and Hidden Tunnels - Scientology Stories #45 (Sea Org Day Special) w/ Claire & Marc Headley - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to Claire Claire's hereas well.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hello, thanks to everyone joining us today.
Happy Sunday.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
We have another episode of Scientology Stories
that we're going to do for youtoday.
And um, hey, can you turn offthe AC where I am?
Oh yeah, yep, yep Sorry guys, wejust I just noticed, uh, I'm
getting frozen down here andthat's because my air
conditioner is on and Clairecontrols everything from from a
command central up there.

(00:43):
Um, claire controls everythingfrom Command Central up there.
Sure, do.
Everybody can let us know wherethey're coming from today in
the comments, and we are goingto do a giveaway at the end of
today's episode.
And if you want to enter intotoday's giveaway, you have to
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(01:06):
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giveaways.
Weren't we giving away a bunchof different things?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yes, we are giving away a bobblehead, two Davy
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There you go, and specialthanks to the many people who
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Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, and it's Xenu is X E N U.
So it's H A I L X E N U and youonly have to enter it once and
you automatically be entered.
You don't have to type it in 27times.
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Speaker 2 (02:06):
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Speaker 1 (02:09):
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Speaker 1 (02:22):
Scotland, hey Scotland.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, hey, scotland.
Hey, hey, christine.
Uh, here this one greetingsfrom the land of the new sweden.
Yes, thanks for joining usawesome nice, nice, nice.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, we've had, um, we have a lot of videos, and
it's now it's becoming.
A thing that I'm seeing moreoften is it'll just say a
comment, will just come in oneday to say, hey, from California
, and if the video is from likeeight weeks ago or eight months
ago or whatever it is, peopleare just telling them where
they're at.
Uh, german in SoCal, thank you.
Oh, I see, lillian.

(02:57):
That's a.
Uh, that's.
They've got a little Dave gone.
Emoji.
And that's Lillian is the name.
So get it.
That's a, that's.
They've got a little Dave gone.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Emoji.
And that's Lillian is the name,so get it.
That's a Depeche mode thing.
Aurora, colorado.
Hey Aurora, we're down here inCastle Rock, glasgow, montana.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Necessary trouble.
Hello, good to see you here.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
And then Lulu Baru Hail Zinu, from Michigan.
Hey, that's a great idea.
They're saying where they'refrom and the hashtag.
I love it.
I love it.
Awesome guys, awesome.
We got Minnesota, anotherPhilly person.
Cool, as Gretchen Philly saysNice, philly says Nice, so yeah,

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so today is a special Sea OrgDay edition of Scientology
Stories.
Both Claire and I were in theSea Organization, which is this

(04:12):
organization that L Ron Hubbardstarted in the 1960s and um, and
it is the most upper level ofScientology management that
there is the, the C organization, um was entrusted to um to
basically keep track of the, theOT levels, the upper levels of
Scientology, and um and whatthere's.
Seark days what day is it?
Seark day on, claire.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
August 12th, I believe.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
August 12th and when, and you were going to.
You knew when you were going tosay oh, yeah, so uh 1967.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
So it's been in existence now for 57 years.
Um, yeah, and and uh yeah, theprimary purpose of the C
organization was to essentiallydo L Ron Hubbard's bidding
managing all um managementorganizations of Scientology

(05:00):
internationally, and anotherprimary purpose, as you said,
was protecting the upper levelsof Scientology in which you
learn about Xenu.
So there you go.
That's how we're tying it inwith our discussion from last
week about BTs activate all thatstuff.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Not the aliens man.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I was at a vet appointment yesterday and it was
a sign there was a car that hadaliens license plate and I'm
like, oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
But in the beginning the only Sea Org organizations
were either the management ofScientology or the individual
places where they told you aboutthe operating Thetan levels,
ot3 and above.
Those were called advancedorganizations and they were the

(05:53):
only organizations that weremanned by staff, by Sea Org
members.
And the Sea Org members are theones that signed the billion
year contracts in Scientology,right, okay, and?
And the motto of the seaorganization is we come back.
So when you sign a sea workcontract it's expected that when

(06:13):
you die in this life you'recoming back for the next life,
and that's the.
That's how this whole billionyear contract uh ties in.
But then over the years the SeaOrganization started opening up
new, different organizations.
They have an organization inthe Caribbean that's aboard a

(06:36):
cruise ship and that is whereOperating Phaeton Level 8 is
delivered, and that is also aSea Org organization.
It's only Sea Org members thatare manning that organization
and the way it's different thanthe other Scientology
organizations is if you have anorgan in some part of the United

(06:59):
States that's in a strip malland they deliver beginner
courses there, those are mostlikely not Sea Org members.
Those are just people that joinScientology staff and they
either work a certain like theywork a half days, like a part
time, as a part time staffmember, or they work as a full

(07:19):
time staff member and they don'tsign the billion year contracts
.
I think they have two and ahalf and five year contracts
that they sign as staff memberand they don't sign the
billion-year contracts.
I think they have two and ahalf and five-year contracts
that they sign as staff members.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
And it used to be that the Sea Org members would
manage the advancedorganizations and then in
continental areas of the worldthey would run that region of
Sea Org organizations or normalScientology organizations.
There'd be a Sea Org unitcalled a Continental Liaison

(07:52):
Unit or a Flag Liaison.
They have all these differentlevels of Sea Org members that
manage other Sea Org members andthen just regular Scientology
organizations Anyway.
So every year they have a thingcalled Sea Org Day where they
have the day off.
The Sea Org members get a dayoff.

(08:12):
It's the one I wouldn'toverstate it.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
It was not a day off.
It was a day where you're doingactivities outside of your
normal assigned duties.
It's not a day off.
A day off implies that you cango see a movie or, you know, go
to a restaurant.
And there was none of that.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
There's organized team activities like tug of war,
where you can get your handsburst off.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Which has starkly ended awfully the amount of
people that broke arms duringthose types of activities.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Fingers, arms or the skin actually got ripped off
their hands from the other guyspulling it so fast and these
guys not wanting to lose and itjust Anyway.
Yeah, there's a lot of Sea OrgDay horror stories.
Usually it's just a couplehundred Sea Org members.
Getting sunburned is really theworst of it, but some years
there'd be some injuries.
Burnt is really the worst of it, but some years there'd be some

(09:07):
injuries.
But either way they have.
I remember my first at theinternational headquarters in
the 80s and the 90s there usedto be Sea Org days on a kind of
a regular basis and I got to theinternational headquarters in.
I want to say it was May, juneof 1990.

(09:27):
And on August 10th 1990, therewas a massive flood that flooded
the entire headquarters ofScientology and that was two
days before Sea Orc Day wassupposed to happen.
And, needless to say, we didnot have a Sea Orc Day that year
.
We were all signed a conditionof confusion by David Miscavige

(09:49):
himself.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
For allowing a natural disaster to occur and
destroy the property.
We were assigned basically alow level in Scientology of
things we had to do.
He was just especially angrysince his bedroom got flooded
with mud.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Well, also the thing.
He'd been building these luxurylittle bungalows for Tom Cruise
for many years and they wereall flooded Like an hour.
They were flooded and mud andfilled with mud anyway.
So that is what the Sea Org istoday.
It's this group of people,these group of Sea Org members,

(10:26):
and I would say there's probablyabout.
This is important in terms ofscale for later on in this story
but I'd say there's about 5,000Sea Org members worldwide.
All of them added up, there'smaybe 4,000 or 5,000 of them
that are left, that are here,right there.
They're working today.

(10:47):
They're always trying to getnew people into the Sea
Organization.
It's very hard.
L Ron Hubbard was convinced thatthe best way to get a new Sea
Org member into the Sea Org wasto show them a slideshow of all
these cool things, and theoriginal Sea Org slideshow, I

(11:10):
think, was comprised of shotsthat he had taken himself and
assembled into this slideshowand over the years the slideshow
was updated.
But L Ron Hubbard was insistentthat this slideshow be in every
single place where there was asea organization and that it was
shown regularly toScientologists in effort to
recruit them into the seaorganization.

(11:31):
And Hubbard literally thoughtthey're going to watch this
slideshow and they're going tosign a contract.
It's as easy as that.
You just show them theslideshow.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, the work is done.
Just sit down, enjoy theslideshow and you're ready to
sign away a billion years.
And, by the way, as Catherine,our amazing mod, commented in
the chat, we would be remiss.
Not to mention that anotherstated, or the exact quote from
Hubbard is the purpose of theSea Org is to quote put ethics

(12:00):
in on the planet and theuniverse unquote, which is
definitely relevant to ourupcoming conversation here.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, that is true, they're the police of
Scientology, but they're alsothe police for the planet.
They're the ones that aresupposed to sort out all the
nonsense.
Um, oh, let's talk aboutsorting out nonsense.
Um, anyway, um, so that's the Corg and um.

(12:33):
I just had to clean this Hail.
Zinu, was that you or me?
I didn't do that, that was you.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
That was me, sorry.
Um, I will remove my fingersnow.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
We got just random comments being put up.
Um, okay, so that's pretty muchthe the c-org um backstory.
That's.
That's where they started.
Um, hubbard thought this thingup in the 60s, oh, yeah and yeah
.
And on the slideshow, he hadthis bright idea about the
slideshow in the 70s.

(13:08):
Well, because he had had theidea then, it could never be
changed.
So in the 2000s there wereslide projectors set up showing
slides of these images thatHubbard had dictated were the
only way to get people into theC organization.
So this thing's been going onfor a long time.

(13:28):
But they show these slideshowsand try to get these guys in.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
It's a silly example of their inability to change.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah.
So I thought it'd be fun if weput together our own slideshow
and we're going to tell you howthis all ties in to our friend
hail hail Zinu, Lord Zinu, howthis ties into that whole thing,
because, um, it's kind of wild,guys, it's kind of wild.
Um, let's see if we can.

(13:56):
Um, we can get this.
I gotta.
I just realized I almost had itat the end of the slides.
I got to put it back to thebeginning here.
Real quick, guys, here we go.
So for anybody who is thinkingthat we're just making this up
or this is, like, you know, somekind of, oh, I got to get out
of here.
Sorry, guys, Sorry, we'rehaving technical fun here.

(14:18):
I can't put up.
Can you put up the slide?
It won't, let me um let me tryI got to you ready?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
I'm going to try now.
Yeah, Perfect.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Okay.
Um, let me see if I can forwardit.
No, I can't forward it either.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Oh, okay, just tell me when.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
So basically, um, this whole Lord Zinu thing comes
from Hubbard and he and this ishis writing and, as somebody
who worked at Golden EraProductions for many years, we
dealt with a lot of Hubbard'sthe body, thetans and all that
stuff.
But there's also a lecturecalled Assists which you can

(15:09):
Google on the internet.
It's available, you can listento it and it's in Hubbard's own
voice and he tells other partsof this Xenu story as sort of a
back story to what went on inthis whole thing.
And you can see in here thehead of the Galactic Federation,

(15:30):
76 planets around larger starsvisible from here.
They had an overpopulationproblem and the overpopulation
problem was basically tasked toLord Xenu to solve.
Okay and um, and then that'show the story starts and go to
the next part okay okay, sothere's the uh.

(15:55):
This is the galactic uhfederation as we know it, um,
and then if you go to the nextone there, um, you can see that.
Uh, if you go to the next onethere, you can see that.
I'm just waiting for you to goto the next one.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yep Multitasking here .

Speaker 1 (16:09):
That's the intergalactic council there.
Okay, you don't mess with theseguys.
Okay, they say Lord Xenu, yougots to get this overpopulation
thing sorted out, then you'rethe one that's going to do it.
Okay, so then you have theseguys called the loyal officers.
Now the loyal officers are wedon't know.

(16:31):
Um, can you go to the next one?
Yeah, it's gonna.
This is probably gonna drive menuts, guys that claire won't go
to the next one okay, I'm laserfocused.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Now don't get, don't get one.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Okay, how many times do you have to say next one,
there's Lord Zinu.
Okay, it could have been, wedon't know.
It's hard to say.
There's so many pictures ofthis guy floating around, we
don't know which ones are theright ones or the best ones.
But then you have this othergroup called the loyal officers.
Now the loyal officers are inthe next slide and these guys

(17:10):
are.
They're supposed to basicallywork.
Now, this is confusing to me.
Okay, there is a little bit ofdo they work for the council?
Are they helping Lord Zinu?
I think they work for thecouncil, but they're trying to
basically blame this all on lordzinu and that he shouldn't have
rounded.
He rounded up billions andbillions of these people and the
loyal officers found out aboutit and they were like we gotta,

(17:32):
we gotta get him.
Okay, but before they could gethim, he got all these people
loaded into dc10s and he startedGTFOing Like light speed.
This guy's going.
You can see how fast it is inthis next picture that's going
to be shown and you can see inthe next picture.

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There you go.
They got light speed travel,these guys.
It took them nine light years toget to Earth, okay, and they
had tons and tons of theseplanes.
I mean, they had these planes,they had these next ones they
had, and they had all theseplanes that they're bringing
everybody to earth.
And then when they got to earth, they dropped those guys into

(18:16):
volcanoes.
Okay, now there was a lot ofthat we're talking about.
There was several hundredbillion of these aliens that
they brought here and theydropped them in these volcanoes
and then, when they started, thealien souls started coming out
of the volcanoes.
They would cluster up and theywould get into balls and there

(18:38):
would be clusters of aliens andthen bigger clusters and there
could be 10,000 aliens in thisone little cluster.
So Xenu had to scoop them allup because he didn't want them
to go back to the other planetsomehow.
So he had to scoop them all upand then, once he got them all
rounded up, then he showed themimages of Jesus and the cross

(19:01):
and other religious symbols andstuff, and they were essentially
programmed with these images byLord Zinu.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Also referred to as implants in.
Scientology language.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Implants is a big thing in Scientology.
Whenever you do something orsomething is happening in your
life that you're reacting to, oryou're doing something that's
irrational, it's thought thatit's from one of these implants
that you got billions andbillions of years ago, or
whatever.
Anyway, okay, so this is whyand this is Hubbard says, this

(19:37):
is why humans believe in allthese things is because they
were implanted to believe thatanyway.
So after they get implanted,then xenu sets them all free and
they're what they're supposedto do, is they're supposed to go
find bodies and they then they,they attach themselves to these

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bodies and one body could havemillions and millions of these
little alien souls, also calledbody Phaetons by L Ron Hubbard
BTs, activate, bts, activateyeah, we like to refer to them
as space cooties.
Okay, but remember, the loyalofficers were still on Xenu's

(20:19):
tail and they ended up followinghim to earth and they had six
years of battle with Xenu untilthey finally captured him and
then they were able to put himin a mountain.
They built a jail cell into theside of a mountain and they
electrified the bars so thatXenu could never escape.

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Now this is a picture of Zinuin uniform, as we think he was
when they caught him.
But we don't know, I mean, hecould have been not in uniform
when they got him and he couldhave just been locked up in
there when he was like going outto get his paper and coffee in
the morning or something, andthen he got caught and he could
look like that.
But we're going to put him backin the uniform because it works

(21:04):
better for the rest of theslides if he does have his
uniform with him.
And also, he was in there for75 million years.
But now, guess what?
Remember when they said he wasin the electrified cells that
were running off batteries inthe mountain.
Well, we don't know what kindof batteries these were.
This is battery tech.
I mean, obviously they hadinterstellar travel, so they

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might have had some decentbattery tech.
But 75 million years is a longtime.
Even the energizer buddy isgonna like tap out after a few
million years.
So the basically that stuff isgonna run out or has run out.
Okay, so, and you still got allthese aliens flying all over
the place.
And then you got Xenu.
That's back out.
I don't know that this is a goodthing, that the Scientologists

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because the Scientologists havebeen exercising these demons.
Right, these guys are flyingaround and they're going into
the Scientologists.
Scientologists are using theE-meter to locate the space
aliens.
This is what you learn about.
This is what the Sea Org areprotecting, that you, using an

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E-meter, can basically pinpointthe time and location of these
space aliens and then you canexercise them out of yourself.
So, like guys like Tom Cruisethat are doing OT levels, he's
getting rid of aliens, he'susing the E-meter and he's
locating aliens and he'sexercising them from himself.

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That is how they think it works.
There's no way to do thiswithout the E-meter.
And then what do you end upwith?
You end up with an alienpopulation that's homeless, and
we can't have these guys on theside of the highway.
That's not going to helptraffic, but more.
My point in this is that whatabout these guys?

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These were basically people.
These were refugees fromanother galaxy.
They got to have friends andfamily back in, wherever they
came from.
And if they get here and findout that, for one, I don't know
if the Z new thing, if he wassupposed to do what he did, but

(23:17):
even after that, to then furthervictimize them by kicking them
out of their human host bodiesthat they've been living in and
also they've been doing this for75 million years.
They might have squatter rightsat this bodies that they've
been living in and also they'vebeen doing this for 75 million
years.
They might have squatter rightsat this point that they've been
here so long doing this.
Who are we to say what they canor can't do?
But then you got this galacticcouncil guys.
They're probably not excitedabout the project.

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But then you also have theseSea Org members and the Sea Org
members.
They think they're likesupermen guarding the OT levels
and meanwhile all these aliensare flying all around.
The Sea Org members are doingnothing about the aliens.
They don't have a plan, theydon't have any kind of programs,

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nothing.
What they're doing is they'reputting all of L Ron Hubbard's
materials into onto stainlesssteel plates and gold records
his lectures, and they'reputting these into the sides of
mountains, and they're they'reputting them into the sides of
mountains.
Claire is really not followingalong with the story.
I think she's reading thecomments or something.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yes, I got distracted .

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Their members are.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Was it so obvious?

Speaker 1 (24:27):
The members are putting stuff into these
mountains.
They have them in New Mexico,they have them in Washington, in
California, and there are allthese things built into the side
of the mountains.
Now, when Xenu comes back, likehere, now, see, you had it.
And then you went backwards.
You can never go backwards.
Okay, so there's Xenu.
Now he Like here now, see, youhad it.

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And then you went backwards.
You can never go backwards.
Okay, so there's Xenu.
Now he's out of the jail.
Now is he going to work withthe Sea Org?
I don't think so.
I don't think that's the wayit's going to go.
And also, I don't think ifyou've got an alien who was an
overlord, who rounded upbillions and billions of people,
is capable of interstellartravel at light speeds and have
all these contraptions and thatprojector screen did you say how

(25:09):
big that projector screen was?
Anyway, this guy's got tech.
Okay, you think we're gonna gowith a guy 413, 4 foot, 13 guy
named dave, or you think we'regonna go with xenonenu?
I'm team Xenu, I'm hail Xenu.
I'm just saying, anyway, andthen you've got all these aliens
that are still flying around.

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They're definitely going to beproblems.
You got, remember, we got thealiens that got here before they
took all these space planesthat got here.
So if they show up, I'm prettysure I know exactly where
they're headed.
Okay, if they get back to earth, they're going straight to the
Scientology building.
That's how it's going to be.
Okay, now, I personally I don'twant to be anywhere near a

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Scientology facility when thoseguys show up, because that's
going to be a huge, huge problem.
Okay, now, I know that I'vejust dumped a whole, whole bunch
of data on you.
What can we do?
You know, what are we going todo against the aliens?
Well, the one thing you coulddo, just to show your support

(26:15):
for Lord Xenu, is get a HailXenu cup.
You know one of these guys.
You could get a Hail Xenu cup,or you could get a Zinu is my
homeboy cup.
Whatever you want, you know,whatever it's going to take so
that Zinu knows that you're withhim, even a Hale Zinu hoodie.
That's a baller move rightthere.
That's a.
That's a very heavy move.

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Getting a Hale Zinu VolcanoClassic hoodie to remember his
good old days, the volcano days,when things were good.
There also is a lot of.
That's the end of the slideshow, guys.
There is a lot of talk thatthere's actually a link.
I'll put it in the link in thedescription below.
But there's a lot of peoplethat have scientifically

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analyzed Hubbard's story of Xenuand they're saying I think he
lists out in that writing that Ishowed you in that document he
lists out every single locationwhere a volcano was that Xenu
dropped the aliens in.
And in that document somebody'sgone through that and said

(27:28):
somebody's gone through that andsaid I think it's, 14 of those
locations were not volcanoes 75million years ago, so it didn't
exist that way.
That happened as the years wenton.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, and I will say I will say you put a lot more
work into this slideshow and andmany people have asked many
more questions than certainly Iever did when reading the
materials you just have to go inthat moment, you just kind of
go okay, brain block.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I love these comments here there's one from Blow Food
Kitchen says Superman Mark'sgot a very high opinion of how
Sea Org members look there.
No opinion of how Sea Orgmembers look there.
No, that's how L Ron Hubbardand Sea Org members think of
themselves.
They think they're saving theworld.
They literally think thatthey're saving the world and
they're protecting thesematerials, and that's another

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thing that a lot of peopleshould know.
I would say about 95% of SeaOrg members and Scientologists,
for that matter, maybe 90%.
They don't know the Xenu story.
Of all the people inScientology remember I talked
about that cruise ship, the freeones.

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Every year they have a it'scalled the Maiden Voyage
Anniversary event and they alltravel to this location.
It's called the Maiden VoyageAnniversary Event and they all
travel to this location.
There's only about 1,000 ofthese guys that go to this thing
that are the highest level OTson the planet.
The OT7s and the OT8s, I think,are the only ones that are
really allowed to go to this.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
And, to be fair, it's probably much lower than that
by now.
With the amount who have passedfrom cancer and everything else
, realistically the numbers areprobably much lower.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, this is not a carnival cruise scene, guys.
It's not young people going onthis cruise.
These are some older folks thatare going on this cruise.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Mind you, Doug E Fresh performed at one of those.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, but he didn't know about the Xenu stuff either
.
No, he didn't.
He was an entertainer on there.
He didn't go there because hewas getting rid of space goodies
.
Right for sure, a lot of thepeople that are at these things
are the upper level guys andthere's there is about a

(29:46):
thousand of these guys floatingaround between the OT sevens and
the OT.
There might be more OT sevens,but not any OT seven is allowed
to go to this place.
The ones that mostly are atthese things have to be OT
eights or like if the OT, thehusband's an OT eight and the
wife's an OT seven, then andthey've given millions and
millions of dollars, the wife'sgetting to go.
That's usually the OT7s thatare allowed to go.

(30:07):
But regardless, if you have afriend that's a Scientologist
and you start talking to themabout aliens, it's very likely,
unless they've been in for along time and they've given
hundreds and hundreds ofthousands of dollars to
Scientology, they do not knowabout the aliens.
And when people talk about thealiens and they talk about body

(30:28):
thetans, scientologists think oh, they don't know what they're
talking about.
It's called a thetan Because inregular Scientology beginning
Scientology you find out aboutthetans but there's never a
mention of body thetans.
So when Scientologists hearpeople say body thetan, they go
oh, they don't understand,they're getting it mixed up,

(30:48):
they don't know that.
That's what you're going tofind out on OT3.
And the part that I've alwaysstruggled with figuring like
what do these guys think They'vebeen defending?
Oh, there's no aliens, there'sno aliens, there are no aliens.
And then they find out thereare aliens.
When I was there, there was avendor who asked me point blank

(31:13):
dude, is it true, you guysbelieve in aliens?
What are you?

Speaker 2 (31:14):
talking about dude.
I was like that's crazy, youknow?
Yep, I was.
I was asked the same thing byum physical therapists one time
and I was like no, absolutelynot.
But they mind you.
They also asked me if therewere guns buried in the Golden
Era golf course.
Yeah, there's a lot of storiesfloating around.
Some of them have pieces oftruth and others don't.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, it's definitely a wild thing with just the fact
that this is their origin story, if you want to call it that,
one of many, but this is likethe main one and the reason it's
we know it's the main one isbecause it's the whole reason
the C-Rig exists is to protectthis information, to archive

(31:58):
this information and to runScientology with this
information.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Right and to run.
Scientology with thisinformation Right, so much so
that the reason a lot of thesematerials are even on the
internet is because I think itwas two or three people in the
80s dressed up as Sea Orgmembers and went to AOSH Europe,
the advanced org in Denmark,and they pretended to be
missionaries, which you know,they're that Sea Org member

(32:26):
title that is.
Uh, their orders are to befollowed and they collected the
OT materials and then publishthem on the internet.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah, so talk about protecting the materials.
The Sea, like the South Park,is maybe the Sea Org's most
ultimate fail of all time, right?
Because South Park put allthose materials on just to give
them to everybody, and Sea Orgmembers or Scientologists will

(32:59):
tell you oh, that's not true,that's not real, that's
squirrels making up stuff.
No, that's Hubbard, direct fromHubbard.
There is some artistinterpretation and they do say
thetan levels instead of thetan.
Instead of reading E-meterreads, they call them thetan
levels and whatever.
But that's I think that's morefor comedy sake, not for you

(33:20):
know that it's inaccuracy, right?
Yeah, it's wild.
Guys, I'm going to.
You want to read some of thecomments real quick.
I'm going to just refresh myscreen because I'm not.
I don't have any control overcomments or switching or doing
anything, and I have to in orderto do this.
So if I don't know, guys,that's why I'm just going to
reset my thing and see if thatworks.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Sounds good, all right.
So here we go.
Once a witness, jehovah'switnesses cult question Do Seark
members get good food?
Can they buy their own food atMcDonald's?
So Mark and I were at theheadquarters in in Hemet and so,
no we, the food that we had wasit was, uh, not good, but in

(34:07):
the early days it was, it waspretty good.
They had a pastry chef,panuccio TZ, and you know there
were meals were provided.
Um.
However, in the later years itbecame, um, if you were in a
lower condition you would losedining privileges, things of
that nature.
Um, I'm sure in LA that Sea Orgmembers probably do buy food

(34:28):
when they are out.
Catherine would probably agreewith me on this.
There were a handful of timeswhen Mark and I were at the
headquarters that we would beable to go to Jack in the Box on
a motorcycle, just like half amile down the road.
But when you're getting $46 aweek, you don't have a huge

(34:48):
amount of budget for food.
So there you go, um, catherineOlson.
Oh, yeah, I did this one.
The purpose of the Sea Org is toput ethics in on the planet and
the universe.
Yes, um, hi, jason, hello,clara Marks, still a dedicated
fan.
Thank you.
Okay, here we go.

(35:10):
Once a witness again questionhow many Sea Org members reached
the state of clear?
That's a great question andwhen we were there, very few.
In fact, the only reason Iended up doing the upper levels
is because I was told by ShellyMiscavige that if I didn't get
through them by a certain datethen I was going to get kicked

(35:33):
out of, kicked off my positionand put on heavy manual labor.
So I was under a little bit ofpressure to get through and
because of because it was anorder from her, I was made to do
it and you know so I couldcomply.
But I don't think I mean, mark,you, you had mostly

(35:55):
interrogations right, fair tosay.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, I had Tom Cruise auditing me on my like
the beginning introductoryauditing you get in Scientology.
And then I had I had, yeah, alot of sec they're called
security checks where you justask questions, interrogations on
the e-meter basically.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, or the other form of interrogations was false
purpose rundown, which is thesame You're being interrogated
and then you're going to findwhat evil purpose prompted you
to do whatever bad things youmight, might or might not have
confessed to.
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, I mean I had um .
I mean I didn't even readDianetics so I certainly wasn't
clear Um, and I didn't have anyum.
I didn't.
I don't think I had anyauditing that would, uh, get me
anywhere near clear.
But I was there, for I mean Ijoined the Sea Org in 1989 and

(36:56):
then I went to the internationalheadquarters in 1990 and then
we left in 2005.
So I was there for over 15years and I got about um, I'd
say, a few months worth ofauditing in total, Like if I
went every day, it counted up toa few months.
So, yeah, the Sea Org members,unless you are on a post where

(37:17):
you're supposed to oversee thosesecret levels, then most people
don't get to those levels.
And the people that do get tothose levels in almost all
instances have some relation toworking with those or their job
function is related to them.
Like, even if you were aregular executive in the Sea Org

(37:39):
and you got up to those levelssomehow, or you were that before
you got into the Sea Org yougot up to the OT levels before
you joined the Sea Organization,to the OT levels before you
joined the Sea Organization, inalmost all cases they would
either put you on producingthose materials or translating
those materials or printingthose and having something to do
with those.
There's not a lot of people tochoose from in the Sea Org that

(38:01):
can do that kind of stuff andthere were points when they had
to do all hands so, like ifthere was a big evolution to
update those secret materials.
Anyone who was in the c-org atthat location, at the
international headquarters thatthat had that was ot3 or above,
would be like tasked, like hey,you got to come and work on this
for the next few weeks becauseyou're the only person who can.

(38:26):
Um, is there a tug of war?
I missed out on.
Oh, yes, jackson.
Um, it was in the in the um,you missed it.
There was a bunch of zero days,jackson, where they did tug of
wars and they used these biggiant ship ropes, like somebody
went to a shipyard and got theseropes and there was like a
hundred people on either side ofthe tug of war and they they

(38:48):
pulled when it, when one teamwon, it was so the line was so
long that no one knew that theythey'd lost, they'd lost yet and
they were still holding on andthe rope was just sliding
through their hands and a bunchof people.
I mean, I think one year somepeople had to get like bandages.
It was like a, it was like areal, it was like a lasting.
It took weeks for their handsto heal because the skin was

(39:09):
just pulled right off of them.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, it was pretty awful.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Good times, good times.
Okay, I'm sorry I got back inand I was in the middle.
You were in the middle ofreading comments.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Oh no, it's okay, it's okay.
I did want to say, though, aboutthe state of clear for seorg
members.
It was supposed to be, um thatwhen a, an organization, reached
the size of saint hill whichthere were certain numbers
statistically from whenscientology was booming in the
60s um that when an organizationwas granted saint hill size,

(39:45):
they were supposed to have ateam of Sea Org members come
into the organization called theUniverse Corps, who were then
supposed to get the staff up thebridge, up beyond, you know, ot
levels, state of clear andsuperpower rundowns, and I never
saw that happen personally.
Maybe it's happened since Ileft, I don't know.

(40:07):
It's been a long time, a hotminute since 2005.
Oh, and also, too, let's notforget, honey, that since we got
out, they have now startedsending members of the SEER
organization to these ideal orgs.
Whatever the story that DavidMiscavige is giving about that,

(40:29):
it's obviously a recruitmentissue, because you cannot open
an ideal org with three staff.
So, for example, that's howCatherine ended up at Columbus
Ohio Ideal Org as a member ofthe Sea Organization.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, they're not able to recruit staff members
for Scientology or Sea Orgmembers and most Sea Org members
, to be honest, in themanagement areas and in Los
Angeles there's tons and tons ofSea Org members.
They're just doing busy work.
There's not really anythingthat they're like if they
weren't there it wouldn't makeany difference in the world, and

(41:09):
so sending them out to theseorganizations is just a good way
to utilize them and then nothave to worry about getting any
people.
The fact that there's so manyorganizations that need Sea Org
members to man them meansthere's not even enough public
Scientologists or civilianScientologists in that area to
make into staff members, muchless Sea Org members.

(41:30):
That's just ridiculous.
Are we going to do some morequestions here?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Sure Yep, there's some great questions.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, you want to put them up.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yes, let me get on that Okay.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Salted caramel whiskey says do members brag
about going up the bridge?
Do they feel superior to others?
You're not really inScientology.
It's sort of frowned upon tobrag about your status.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
But if you just say I'm OTA, that's not bragging,
but that's how they brag.
They just say what their statusis.
That's the brag.
You're not supposed to be like,oh I did, they just say what
their status is, that's the brag.
You're not supposed to be like,oh, I did.
There's actually a Hubbardpolicy where he says you can't
say, oh, I did OT eight in fiveminutes.
And you know, you're notsupposed to say that sort of
thing because somebody elsemight have taken eight years to

(42:19):
do to do OT eight.
So you're not supposed tocompare.
You're not supposed to comparenotes.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
But clearly I mean Mark and I never talked about it
.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
And also when people would always be like, oh, how
high did you get?
I'll be like I haven't evenread genetics, man, like I
always say, like, oh, I bragabout not having done anything.
I mean even Claire's umfreeloader bill, um, it was like
90s, 98,000 or 96, 96 andchange, which even that's a

(42:53):
story for another day.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
I was looking through it.
There's so many things not onthere and for example, it says I
had one hour of word clearing.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
I mean that is the biggest you could get one hour
word clearing in one night.
So if you got 10 hours of wordclearing, that would be a uh,
the worst underestimate in theworld.
Even if you got 10 hours ofword clearing, that would be the
worst underestimate in theworld.
Even if you got a hundred hoursof word clearing, that might be
average.
But if you got they literallyput one hour on her bill like

(43:21):
we're going to throw in an hourof this.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Just so you know you didn't get it free.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Just so you know you didn't get it free, just so you
know.
But my bill was half ofClaire's bill, the bill I got
and, to be fair, there was a tonof things on my bill that I
don't even think I did.
They were really scratchingthis like trying to dig up
anything and everything theycould throw on this thing,
because I notoriously did not dothat much at all.

(43:47):
So yeah, thank you for thatsalted caramel whiskey.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yep, dr Paul in the house, neuro doc.
So Sea Org Days is theathletics days for everyone
involved.
Sea Org Day, a massive day withfun-filled, action-packed
activities to participate in.
Everyone's sleep deprived, sono energy.
Yeah, pretty much that kind ofnails it.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
The best part is that this is also the day when
SeaWorld members will sometimesget to go out in the wild.
So if you're at theinternational headquarters, that
whole property is like a lushparadise, with a lake and
there's paths and there's allkinds of stuff.
It's not nice, but it's nicerthan an asphalt parking lot

(44:31):
which they have in Los Angeles.
So we would just go to thatproperty and sometimes there
might be a movie out, theremight be some buses that'll take
you to the movies or take youto bowling or something like
that that night.
But in other locations, like inLos Angeles or in Clearwater,
they got to find a place to takea few thousand people that can

(44:51):
go and do all this stuff.
And so I think there was astory.
Tony Ortega had an article up onhis website.
We should put a link to it, butit basically showed there was a
whole bunch of buses outsomewhere out in Clearwater
Beach or Sand Key Park orwhatever they call it, and
that's what they're doing.
They're taking those guys tothe beach and if you ever wanted

(45:13):
to see a bunch of white pastypeople having fun in the summer
sun, go to a Sea Org Day.
Some of these people.
They ain't never seen it, theirbodies ain't never seen the sun
, because they're taking busesbetween buildings and then the
only time they go outside thebuildings is at nighttime to go
home and sleep.
So, um, yeah, there's a lot ofwhite, white pasty people.

(45:33):
Uh, what else?
Okay?
Here we go A lot of, a lot ofgood ones here.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yvonne Jensen, non-scientologist, here.
Do you think, if it hadn't beenso violent, abusive, if things
had been different, that youwould have stayed longer because
you believed in the cause?
Well, my answer to that is Iwas born into Scientology.
My mother joined thisorganization when I was four
years old.
So in the back of my head, formany, many years, the door had

(46:03):
been locked on the thoughts thatI just so wanted to just get
out and live a normal life.
And, um, the only way I endedup getting to that point, of
course, was Mark escaping aheadof me, and it made me realize
that I was completely miserableand, as hard as it seemed in the
moment, I actually absolutelyhad to get out of there.

(46:26):
Um, so I was never.
In other words, my point ofthat is I was never.
Scientology was never a choicefor me in the first place.
I I've told people many timesthe moment Scientology became a
choice, when I left.
I had nothing to do, nothingmore to do with it from that
point forward.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yikes, there you go.
I just I.
I start a few comments here, solet's just see Lillian.
I'd love for you to do aninterview stream with Ursula
Cabrera.
She is one tough cookie and didso much in Germany to fight
Scientology.
Much respect and kudos to her,and you too.
Thank you very much, lillian.
We I've spent a ton of timewith Ursula and, um, I don't, I

(47:14):
know she's done some interviewswith some people here and there.
Um, and I think didn't we do umsomething with Ursula on our
channel?

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Um, not on our channel.
No, I mean of course you.
You went and visited, yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
We'll put a link to the conferences I did in Hamburg
with.
That were basically organizedby Ursula and the German
government, but yes, I wouldlove to interview Ursula.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
She's an amazing person.
I've never actually you've mether in person.
I haven't met her.
I stayed home with the kids forthose conferences, yeah, and I
haven't met her.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I stayed home with the kids for those conferences.
Yeah, the funny thing aboutUrsula is Ursula has one of the
most complete L Ron HubbardScientology libraries of anyone.
She has like a full set ofeverything that Scientology has
ever put out and then she has itin multiple languages so when
people come to her for help shecan pull out the policy in their

(48:10):
language that has to do withScientology and then use that
against Scientology to kind ofrecompense that person if they
want their money back orwhatever it is.
That's a lot of the ways thatshe helps people that have left
Scientology.
She actually was doing kind ofwhat the aftermath does from her
government position.
People would come to her andsay I lost my whole life and I

(48:33):
lost my whole family there inScientology and she'd get that
person a job through theirwhatever social programs existed
.
She'd get them a place to liveand she would help them get back
on their feet, but from her jobin the government as like a
cult overwatch, from her job inthe government as like a cult
overwatch.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, yeah.
And she would always useScientology policies to say hey,
you're supposed to be doing X,Y and Z according to your policy
, Scientology, so fix this.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, totally yeah.
Pete Jensen TV says I can't putethics in on my own home.
Student members are puttingethics on on the planet and he
can't even.
And the universe, yeah, says Ican't put ethics in on my own
home.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Seed members are putting ethics on the planet and
he can't even.
And the universe?
Yeah, no, I know, we feel thestruggle, pete, it's real.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Denver, Stevo hey.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Denver Stevo, hey, denver Stevo, in the house.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
How did you save your extra money?
Did you just keep it in a sockand collect it up until you blew
?
You know, there was that's agreat, great question Denver,
steve.
But there was a thing going.
Something happened where a Searmember kind of got stranded
somewhere by accident and theyhad no way to get ahold of
anybody.
They had no money, they hadnothing and they'd had no

(49:44):
identification.
So they were basically juststranded like star man.
They got landed in a gasstation somewhere and they
didn't know what to do and thisprompted them to the C
organization, the internationalheadquarters.
They set up a 1-800 line called1-800-I-WANT-HELP and if you

(50:05):
could go to any pay phone andjust dial 1-800-I-WANT-HELP and
it would ring through to thesecurity booth at the
international headquarters andthen they'd somehow get this
where are you?
I'm at an AM PM, where I don'tknow, and they'd find the
streets, names or whatever, andthen they'd go get that person.
But around that same time theyalso organized any US.

(50:28):
I want to say it was mostly USguys, I think you had to have a
social security number and atleast like a driver's license.
If you had those things, youwere encouraged to set up a bank
account and they actually tellme.
If I'm remembering this right,I think they brought the bank
people to the base and the bankpeople brought the paperwork.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yes, they absolutely did.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, and you just went in there, you filled out
all the paperwork, you madecopies of stuff for them and
they set up in the in near thereception of the international
headquarters, and all these SeaOrg members got the.
It was Wells Fargo, wells Fargo.
Yeah, it was Wells Fargo.
Because of that Because of that, claire and I had a Wells Fargo
bank account that had, I mean,we probably paid $10,000 in

(51:15):
overdraft fees because we'd havelike $80 in there.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
And then we'd spend like $70 and then there'd be
some kind of fee for something,and then it'd go minus and then
we'd get charged 45 or 35 bucksoverdraft fee.
Yeah, and, and let's not forget, oh, we were paid in cash and
we would then, like, the canteendid not accept debit cards, so
we were just buying everythingin cash.
Um, so it was literally anexercise in futility, because we
had no money to put in the bankor any means to get to the bank

(51:51):
to put money in, even if wewanted to.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah, and the funny part of that is is that we had
that account until I escaped.
The day I escaped and when Iwas trying to, this is all in my
book.
But, um, I was trying to get abunch of money together and I
went and saw L Ron Hubbard'sgreat Great Granddaughter.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Just granddaughter.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
And I said, hey, I need to borrow 250 bucks.
She just wrote me a check for250 bucks and then the next
morning when I escaped, thefirst place that I went to after
the police helped me get atruck and everything and put my
bike in there and went to U-Hauland got it all secure, the
first place I went with theU-Haul was Wells Fargo to
deposit that check from Rowan.

(52:35):
And then when we we had we metup I think we had met up when we
met up in Kansas city and you,after you escaped, we saw this
250 charge hit our account.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
And I was like what the hell is that?
And I looked and I was like oh,rowan canceled that check, babe
, rowan reversed the check liketwo weeks later, and I talked to
Rowan.
Rowan has since also escaped.
Since then, um, and I talked toRowan and she said, yeah, I
didn't want them to know that Igave you the money I was trying

(53:14):
to back out of this thing and Idon't think they even knew about
that until after Roanne and Italked about it, or somebody
told somebody, or I toldsomebody and it got back to them
.
Yeah, but great questionstonight.
Great questions.
Yeah, I'm just put this upbecause it starred.
Amber says comment.

(53:35):
Hi, mark and Claire, it's beena while since I've made it live.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Thank you, amber, good to see you.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
I don't know if you want to put up this, jay, you
have to tell me which ones there.
There's some that that are toyou, dr X.
Hope all's well, everyone'sfine this day, slash night.
Thank you, dr.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
X Good to see you.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
We've been discussing an idea that we are going to
start like kind of like amonthly award and we think, um,
we think Dr X might be in therunning to get that.
So we'll see, we'll see whathappens on that and that.
So we'll see, we'll see whathappens on that.
And, and Paul her partner, yes,charlotte Arrow says.
Question as a Sea Org member,were you pressured to give your
limited funds to the IAS, likepublic Scientologists are?
No, we were never, unless youwere a Sea Org who had millions

(54:24):
of dollars.
Those Sea Org members were 100%pressured to give their money
to the IAS or any of the thingsthey get money from.
Sea Org members were given thatthere was a guy, the Hughes's,
greg Hughes, and I want to sayGuillaume Lassev and Mark Yeager

(54:44):
.
They had some dough, but Ithink Greg Hughes had more than
most of most and he waspressured to give some of that
dough over.
I remember them peoplebasically um, berating him for
having so much money and notgiving it to sign.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Yeah, In the case of Mark Jaeger and Guillaume, as I
remember it, it was, um they hadsaved up tens of thousands of
dollars from, like, early daybonuses.
When they were they werereceiving bonuses which, um, you
know, had long since beencanceled.
Um, and I specifically rememberthat David Miscavige made Mark

(55:26):
and Guillaume donate all of thatmoney to Sea Org Reserves to as
part of one of their lowerconditions.
Like this is how they weregoing to make up the damage.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Yeah, I heard another story and again, some of these
stories we heard at the base andsome of them were from David
Miscavige.
But one of the stories that Iheard in one of these meetings
where everyone was supposed toconfess their sins was that when
Scientology were running thecampaign against Eli Lilly and
Prozac in the 90s early 90s- Inresponse to the.

(56:05):
Time magazine article.
In response to the Timemagazine article, they were
driving Lilly's stock down anddown and down.
And one of the stories that wasadmitted to or told about in
one of these meetings was thatGuillaume and Mark Yeager, who
were the ones approving to payfor all the ads against Eli
Lilly as part of theInternational Finance Committee,
when they were just about tostop doing those ads, they

(56:29):
scooped up a ton of lily stockyep, because they knew the stock
would just go up after that andit was like a little bit
insider trading because theywere the runs.
they were the ones driving thestock down intentionally and
then scooping up some of thatstock before it went on the
rebound.
And I was sort of like whoa,that like even as a Sea Org

(56:50):
member I was like I'm prettysure that's illegal or it's at
least dishonest in some way.
I'm pretty sure that's notkosher in the real world.
Anyway, I don't even know tothis day if that's something
they could get busted for.
But anyway, here's another Dr X.
It says hi all.

(57:10):
So the uniforms you get for SeaOrg Day, were they given out on
that day or was it part of theuniform you get when you first
joined the Sea Org?
Did they take heaps of pics forpropaganda purposes from this
for recruitment?
Very good question.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Very good question.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
And very that's.
It's kind of a crazy thing inthe C organization.
Uniforms are one of the mostcomplicated and problematic
issues in the C organizationBecause these are the only
clothes you have and in a lot ofcases you're only given one or
two outfits.
So if you don't wash your stuffyou're going to wear at least

(57:48):
multiple things multiple times aweek before they get washed or
you have to do laundry every fewdays because you only have so
many sets of shirts and pantsand socks and all that kind of
stuff.
But the uniform that you wearon Sea Org Day is called your
Class A or your dress uniform,and they had dress blues and
they had dress whites, dependingon where you were and what

(58:11):
season it was.
You're supposed to have a fullset of dress blues and a full
set of dress whites andsometimes on Sea Org Day people
wouldn't have those things andit's the day before Sea Org Day.
You don't got them and therewas actually this happened at
the base.
There was this girl her name wasCaroline and Caroline was, I

(58:34):
think she was in thequalifications division and it
was found out that she hadstolen a uniform part from
somebody.
I think it was even a patch.
She had ripped someone's patchbecause you get in big trouble
if you're out of uniform andthat includes your, includes
your rank and rating.
So if you don't have yourcorrect rank and rating, that is

(58:56):
a ding.
And she had stole the patch ora hat, or she had stole some
uniform part from somebody.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Yeah, it was a patch from Samantha, remember, and it
was a big deal.
I mean probably like a hundredpeople were on the suspect list
and they were gettinginterrogated and it almost
became this thing like we'retalking about huge deal, that no
one was confessing and that thesex checkers, the interrogators
, were failing to find out andget a confession as to who did

(59:26):
this.
I mean, I think it even turnedinto like the 10 people on the
final had been whittled down tothe final suspect list.

(59:47):
They weren't even allowed to gohome until they figured out who
did this.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
And they told them.
They said you guys, we know oneof you did it.
None of you are ever going homeuntil the one who did it
confesses.
The silliest part is this galwho stole this patch.
There's only going to be somany people that would steal
that patch because there's onlyso many people that were that
rank at the internationalproperty.

(01:00:13):
So as soon as they did it, assoon as they committed the crime
, they narrowed it down to whoit was going to be, no matter
what, and anyway it was a big,big deal at the international
property.
And she ended up being.
They found it.
It was this Caroline girl andshe was very, very heavily
shamed and she was a dishwasherfor many years.

(01:00:35):
After that she was posted as adish and like I think I want to
even say that night dishwasherand um in the galley.
And then she eventually, when Iescaped, she was my direct boss
who said that I was going to goto the Rehabilitation Project
Force.
So good times there, caroline.
So, dr X, so you are given avery minimal quantity of

(01:00:58):
uniforms and you are given a setof.
Sometimes you're given theseclass A uniforms, the dress
whites or the dress blues, butnot always and before Sea Org
Day there's a lot of peoplestressing hey, I need to get a
hat, hey, I need to get this, Ineed to.
You never gave me this or younever get me.
That, excuse me.
And the best thing is that inthe uniform closet for the

(01:01:23):
international headquarters, nomatter who had ever been issued
pants or shirts or socks orwhatever, if they escaped or
they blew, all of their partswould go back into the pool.
So when I first got into theinternational headquarters and
went to go get my uniform, itwas all it was like thrift store
shopping for for uniform partsfrom prior Sea Org members who

(01:01:45):
had escaped or blown, and thosewere the Sea Org uniforms you
could.
That was the pool of ones youcould use were the ones from
past people who had blown andthey'd have stains in them and
they'd have tears and rips andbe mishemmed like different
lengths on different legs.
I mean, it was pretty.
It's when we say Davies, fakeNavy, it's really.

(01:02:10):
It is despicable.
These guys, a Sea Org member,would never pass a uniform
inspection Any.
You could pull any Sea Orgmember out of a hundred Sea Org
members.
They would not pass a uniforminspection in any military unit
in the world that is, you know,recognized as a top-notch
military unit.
That would not happen for CRDmembers.

(01:02:30):
Oh, gary Jackson, I set thatnumber up.
Yes, he did.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
The 1-800-I-WANT-HELP had to write high dollar checks
found in staff members' US mailto Religious Technology Center
and to HCO, which is where theethics officer works.
So he's saying anytime a staffmember received a high dollar
check, it would not go to them,it would go to RTC and HCO.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Yeah, that's another thing.
They are checking all of themail coming in and all of the
mail going out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
So if you're getting a bank statement, they know
exactly how much you have in thebank.
They're opening your bankstatement before you, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
It was also very common that family members would
send in phones for their lovedones, and those would get
confiscated too.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Yeah, catherine Olson says do you know why they don't
make class A uniforms anymore?
Everyone wears their regularuniforms to the ceremony,
because the regular uniforms noware better than the Class A
uniforms that we were getting.
The way the uniforms were wasthe cheapest possible uniforms
you could possibly get,manufactured in massively high

(01:03:46):
volumes.
The shoes were horrible.
The jackets, the pants,everything was polyester in
massively high volumes.
The shoes were horrible, thejackets, the pants, everything
was polyester trash.
It was horrible.
When RTC got new uniforms andstarted, they hired designers
and Claudio Lugli and RenataLugli were the ones making all
these uniforms for RTC and DavidMiscavige and all these guys.

(01:04:09):
When they started doing that,that's really when Dave was like
why don't we just make uniforms, real uniforms, nice uniforms
for everybody?
And then that's when thatstarted to become a thing.
And then it was like the SeaOrg traditional Navy style
uniforms were just thrown out atthat point because everybody

(01:04:31):
thought it was silly that theywere wearing naval uniforms in
the middle of the Californiadesert in 120 degree heat.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
You're wearing long sleeve shirts, polyester shirts
and black wool pants in 120degree weather in the desert
degree weather in the desert,yeah, and not to mention, the
thing that's so ridiculous to mein hindsight is like, for
example, on Christmas, when wewould go to work, we were told,
oh, just wear civilian clothing,that way it doesn't create.

(01:05:01):
Look weird to the locals thatwe're working on Christmas day
and I'm like boy, you thinkthey're literally that dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
I mean, come on, that's just rude yeah, look, and
what ciric members would do isthey take their name tag off
when they went to the storeright, we weren't allowed to
have our name tags on, say likecmo international or rtc.
You weren't allowed to have thatbecause the only place that was

(01:05:30):
at the internationalheadquarters was Golden Era
Productions.
The media thing.
Okay, nika Casey Turing saysquestion on your days off.
If you ever got any, was itreally a day off or did you
spend it catching up on sleepand doing your laundry?
No, you had to participate.
They would have like a rollcall.
If you weren't at the teamevents you'd get in trouble.

(01:05:50):
So I'm sure people would sleepoff and do stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yeah, I read that question slightly differently,
more in relation to when wewould have liberty, a day off,
oh, okay, liberty, which I thinkI had three in the 14 years
that I was there.
You had a lot more than I did,but still so.
It would always be a Sunday andyou had to do your laundry in
the morning and then you wouldbe off from noon until the end

(01:06:17):
of the night, if it was approvedby the five people that had to
sign off on it, which rarelyhappened in my case.
Pts for life in the house.
Oh, by the way, shout out toJeff.
Thank you so much for theinterview you did with me this
week.
I really appreciate it.
If you haven't subscribed toJeff's channel, pts for life,
please get on over there and doso.

(01:06:38):
We appreciate it.
All right, I met an ESSO memberin Ontario that was in for over
40 years and never reachedclear.
He said he was focused on thethird and fourth dynamic.
Oh, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yep hewas on sounds like that was
really working out for him.

(01:06:58):
It's sad and, yeah, there areway too many elderly people in
this organization that, um, weneed to get them out before they
pass because they're runningout of time and, unfortunately,
it doesn't always work out.
Trevenon, in January 2025,you'll be out for 20 years, I
think.
Yes, exactly January for mewill be January 24th 2025.

(01:07:23):
We'll mark 25, will mark zeroto age 30 in Scientology and 30
to 50.
Holy moly, I can't believe I'mturning 50, uh, out of
Scientology and exposing thisdangerous and abusive cult.
So I'm hoping to have my bookdone by then, for that very
anniversary.

(01:07:44):
Yes there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Okay, if you guys, um , I just wanted to mention it if
you um, there was it wasn't alot of entries in the um hail
xenu thing, there was like 35,so, uh, if you wanted to uh
enter for the giveaway, uh, makesure you do that, because we
are going to start doing it.
And maybe, even if you alreadydid do it, do it one more time,
because I might have, uh,because I refreshed it, might

(01:08:06):
have reset it, because now itsays three.
I wanted to see if anybody haddone it and I pushed refresh and
now it says zero.
Um, so maybe you'll have to doit again because I uh, I
might've screwed that one up.
But, um, yeah, there you go 20years.
That's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Um here's another one .

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Claire and Mark, were you friends with ATAC while in
the Sea Org?
Um John?
Atac wasn't at the locationthat we were at and he was also
there in a different, uh, set ofdecades, so he was in England
yeah, though he was he was at StHill when I was there, but,
mind you, I was six or seven, so, no, I did not know John ATack.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
The first time I remember hearing of him was
hearing about a piece of bluesky, like it was this big bad
thing, which is why I'm going todo a whole.
That's going to be one of mybooks for the series I'm doing
Life After Scientology.
For sure, I have many excitingthings coming for that.
I'm very looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Yes, another one from PTS for life.
It says do you think the AOCanada will ever be opened?
No, is that the?
So he did a video about thisbecause I saw this the other day
and there'sa place in Canadathat was called the Hockley
Highlands and that's whereScientology had a property and

(01:09:30):
they were going to eventuallyturn that into an advanced
organization for Canada and thatis actually where my sister was
stationed with who is now herhusband.
They were stationed at thisplace as sea organization
members and eventually they weregotten rid of.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
I think it's more accurate to say that that's
where she was banished to whenyou started becoming a
troublemaker.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Sure, Whatever.
However you want to, howeveryou want to couch it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
I think that's more accurate.
When you started becoming apain in somebody's behind.
They GTFO'd your sister toCanada.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Regardless of all that, it's even now more
abandoned.
It was abandoned for a while.
Then Scientology bought it andthen my sister and her husband
were there and they weremaintaining the property and
mowing the lawns and they werepart of the local firefighter
volunteer all this stuff andthen they left and then it's
just been in ruins, sincethere's actually a channel that

(01:10:33):
went, like one of these peoplethat explore abandoned
properties, and they did a videoand they're digging through my
sister's stuff that they've leftbehind.
They're going through all thisstuff like look at this, it
looks like they just left it.
Joni Codwell says, supportingyour good work Good to see you
back, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Joni, so good to see you.
Thank you for the amazing emailyou sent to me this week.
It was just deeply meaningfulto me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Yeah, Philip Jones, hey Phil.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Hey Phil.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Scientology Canada can't even renovate Toronto Org.
They'll never get to the AOExactly they have.
Scientology has abandonedbuildings that they've purchased
as part of this idealorganization program that
they've had.
They have places that have beensat empty for years and in some
cases over a decade, and citiesare starting to figure out.

(01:11:22):
We should just start chargingthese guys taxes because it's a
non-exempt when it's doingsomething that's non-exempt.
Abandoned building is notexempt from being abandoned.
You bought it, you got to fixit up or do whatever.
Um, and some, some cities arestarting to charge them.
Uh, trevon on mark, did theycharge you for the auditing tc
gave you when you were hisguinea pig?

(01:11:43):
No, they conspicuously left allof that off of my invoice.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
And, to be fair, the the you know I'm sure there were
more than one reason they didthat, but he was doing student
auditing on you, which means hewas not even he didn't have the
certification yet.
So therefore I don't think theyeven can charge for that.
They don't charge anybody forthe student auditing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Yeah, which is funny, a logic that Claire has, like
they can't do this, they can'tcharge you for anything.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
I know Okay Within their system of policies.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
They're not allowed to charge for student auditing.
I don't care what you'reallowed to charge for, I'm not
paying any of it.
No, yeah, they didn't do that.
I bet on Sea Org Day, everyonewas punched drunk from
exhaustion.
Yeah, there is a lot of people,and even where we were at the
international headquartersbecause it was in the desert in
August when we'd have Sea OrgDay, so it was almost always

(01:12:44):
triple digits when we'd havethis, and invariably people
would go too hard, too fast, toolong.
And then, oh, did you hear whathappened?
They blah, blah, blah broketheir arm or burned their hands
or got sunburned or passed outor had an accident motorcycle
accident.
It was Sea Org days where therewas a lot of nonsense that

(01:13:06):
would be surrounded in this.
Matt Denny says I read the OTmaterials the other week.
It was some seriously crazystuff.
Absolute cuckoo Woke up thenext day, same as Mark.
Not even a sniffle, yeah.
That's the other thing thatHubbard says is if the OT
materials get into people'shands before they're ready for
them, they will developpneumonia and die from just the

(01:13:28):
information about Xenu.
That's going to give youpneumonia because it's part of
the trap and the implant stationthat Xenu, and so Hubbard
himself barely made it through.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
I mean, you know he had a motorcycle accident and
all kinds of bad things happenas he was uncovering this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
The wall of fire is what they call OT3.
It's called the wall of fire,and if you can get through to
the other side of the wall offire, then you're a true OT.
And not only I did the wall offire, I did the blazing pool of
lava, I did it all and not evena sniffle yeah, I remember you
and not even a sniffle.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Yeah, I remember you.
I said to you that night so areyou coming to bed?
And you're like no, but I'mjust telling you right now I'm
going to read everything all theway up through OT8.
So if I'm done in the morning,if I'm, if, if things go
sideways, I love you and it'sbeen real.
But I've got to do this formyself and I was like wait what?

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Eminon says question.
So any position you held wasnever a choice in the Sea Org.
There is a policy that youlearn when you do the welcome to
the Sea Org course or thewelcome to the Sea Org tapes or
whatever, and that is any jobassigned you do, no matter what.
You don't have a choice whereyou go.
When you go there, it's anyduty assigned to you.

(01:14:53):
That's your duty.
That's your duty.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
And that's even part of the code of a Sea Org member
that you have to learn verbatim.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Yep, so SO assigned as a staff at an org at an SO
day?
I don't know about that.
That might be a Catherine for aquestion.
A Catherine for question.
That might be a Catherine forquestion.
That might be a question forCatherine because you know,
she's one of the most recentSeaward members that's gotten
out in the wild and that willtalk to us.
Um, and I think I'm going tosay if they did, it would just

(01:15:26):
be like they'd get to go dosomething for the day.
It wouldn't be.
I don't think they'd be doingtug of wars in the park in
Columbus Ohio, but but yeah, sowe'll see if Catherine is able
to answer that.
Michael, thank you for thatStupid.
Did we do Sea Org Day a day togo out and collect all the
important bee pollen?
Yes, that's a Tom Cruisereference.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Oh, Catherine said we did get a Sea Org Day in
Columbus.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Oh well, what was it?
What'd you do, catherine?

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
I think she's probably still typing more.
She just wanted to get that outthere as quick as possible.
Good, good, good.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
We spent it at the lake at the apartments.
They spent it at the lake, bythe lake, at the apartments.
Okay, so they had someapartments that they all the Sea
Org members, stayed in and theyspent it by the lake.
So there you go, they.
They're even out in Columbus,they're.
They're getting that, that goodold vitamin D on Sea Org day.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
And we'll also include a link to Tony Ortega's
blog.
There was a video that somebodysent in that he posted, I think
, yesterday, of some Sea Orgmembers in Orlando.
This is wacky two minutes ofvideo, what's in Orlando.
They're Sea Org members.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
I know, but why would they be in Orlando?

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
They were sent to Orlando Org, the same as
Catherine was sent to.
Oh, you mean like?

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Orlando Org, the Sea Orer members from that org had a
seer day as well.
Yeah, yes, there's a seerinstallation in los angeles,
wherever it is, they, they allwent somewhere, if they're.
And oh, and this is anothergreat thing, whenever people
start attacking the seer for notletting these guys get days off
and not letting them have timeand everything, guess what they

(01:17:04):
do they start letting them havedays off and they let them go
visit their families.
Sometimes they send a handlerwith them when they go to visit
the family, but they let them doSea Org days.
So us talking about all thehorrible things in the Sea Org
is actually good for the Sea Orgmembers that are still stuck
there, because then they areable to go out to the beach one

(01:17:27):
day a year and go have some fun,and sometimes they're allowed
to go see their family.
So if you have Sea Org members,if you have family members that
are in the Sea Organizationyou're trying to find out what's
up with them, write them a niceletter saying that Billy Bob
and Tina are getting married andthey're invited and you'd love
to host them for the weekend orsomething like that, and the

(01:17:48):
chances are they're going to getto go.
Don't be crazy and talk aboutXenu in this.
This is we've got to play itcool.
You got to be like show, loving, support and you, you, you
don't want them to miss this andblah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And it's likely the chances ofthem being able to go are far
greater than they used to be,because they kind of have to let

(01:18:10):
these people, because then thefamilies start complaining and
creating problems.
You can't help it.
There's a question that starredthat I keep running across and
you don't unstar it or show it,so I don't know what you want to
do.
So who provided the medical care?
The dentist or did they go tothe hospital?
Was there an ambulance on handor were people driven by other

(01:18:32):
SEARC members?
This is a very mixed bag thing.
If David Miscavige is on theproperty, they're not allowed to
call 911.
They're not allowed to call foran ambulance or any of that.
They have to take the person,collect them up and then bring
them to the ambulance or to thehospital, to the ER or whatever.
The dentist was not the personwho did the medical care.

(01:18:53):
They actually had a person thatwas over the dentist.
That was called the medicalofficer or the medical liaison
officer and those people werethe ones that would liaise with
the hospital or whatever youwere trying to get contact
lenses or optometrists orwhatever your problem was.
They were the ones that takeyou to the place and bring you

(01:19:14):
back and um.
But sometimes these medicaloffice people would go rogue and
they'd start giving shots andthey'd start doing stuff doing
iv drips and things like this.
Iv drips and even though theyweren't last part again flu
shots.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Yeah, flu flu shots from them a bunch of times and
vitamin shots.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
That was another big thing.
They were given um drips likevitamin drips and um, they were
doing stuff that I think you'resupposed to be a registered
nurse in order to do that, likein an official capacity you are.
These were just SEERC membersthat were just doing.
They were just like it's goingto be a giant waste of time to
take you into town to do this.
I'm going to stick you myselfand they do it.

(01:19:57):
And there was one gal, theredhead Cynthia Cynthia Rathbun.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
She was not related to Marty.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Rathbun.
She was married to a guy namedRonnie Rathbun.
She was not related to MartyRathbun.
She was married to a guy namedRonnie Rathbun who was the chief
steward no relation to Marty.
Her name was Cynthia Rathbunand she was the medical liaison
office and she got in troublefor giving somebody shots in
their backside for, or actuallylancing some things that you get
in your backside from sitting alot or to trying to put too

(01:20:27):
much pressure on that, that backpart and um, and when that got
found out about it, she did itto somebody that David Miscavige
would run into or haveconversations with.
And somehow David Miscavige gotword that this broad was
lancing things off of somebody'sbackside between their, uh,
between the cracks where the,where the, where the great lord
split them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
And um, yeah, she wasn't but even the and um just
to add to that.
So the time so, in july 99 iswhen I had my massive motorcycle
accident broke two bones in myleft leg, broke my shoulder.
Um, david miscavige was on theproperty, which meant that they
were not allowed to call anambulance, so they put a splint

(01:21:10):
on my leg, shoved me into thislittle red Honda that was driven
by the medical officer anddrove me to him at hospital.
And by the time we got to himat hospital, I so I was in so
much shock and it took aboutseven hours of testing for them
to see if I was actually goingto could just lose my foot

(01:21:31):
altogether.
And the emergency roompersonnel were absolutely livid,
like they, they.
I remember they said who didthis to you?
And of course I couldn't sayanything.
So I just said I don't know.
That was my answer.
And and cause there was amedical.
The medical woman with Jocelynwas with me right there.

(01:21:53):
So, anyhow, no ambulances inthat situation anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Yeah, even Catherine was in.
Um well, I don't know where shewas when she was having this,
but she said I was havinggallbladder attacks for five
days before they took me to theER.
Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
That's complete insanity.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Why is DM a captain?
Why not Admiral?

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Jason, just a note.
I will deal with your questionseparately.
I will refund your super chat.
We're just trying to keep ontopic for today's discussion.
I will look into that foranother, another time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
So thank you, yeah um , he said why is dm a captain
rank?
Why not?
Admiral's uniform was in the usnavy.
So in the sea organization lron hubbard is the commodore and
the commodore is the, the, themost senior officer that
presides over the flotilla.

(01:22:51):
And so I think the highest rankyou could have in the Sea Org
was a captain under L RonHubbard.
So you couldn't be an admiralor you couldn't be the Commodore
, because L Ron Hubbard was theCommodore or the admiral of the
Sea Organization.
So not like any of it matters,because nobody gives a shit.
And, by the way, davidMiscavige hates when he's

(01:23:13):
referred to as Captain DavidMiscavige.
He hates that he will never puton that uniform and do another
picture in that uniform everagain, because he really, really
hates that.
What else we got?

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Mainly because it provides a strong argument to
get him pulled into deposition.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Well, if you're the captain of the Sea Rogue.
That's why he hates it.
That's a good problem.
Legally, Catherine says she wasin Columbus.
That's horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
She said she's going to tell that story on her
channel.
So if you haven't subscribed toCatherine's new channel, nor
newer channel, get on over thereand do that.
Thank you, Catherine.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Awesome, yeah, Maria Martin says, and Catherine just
left, it's still happening.
Shocking, yeah, Catherine wasthere.
You know, within the lastcouple of years, that's how long
it was since she was there.
So this is not where our data.
That's another thing I got totell you guys.
We get a lot of people that areleaving the Sea Org.
Catherine just happens to beone of the ones that's telling

(01:24:17):
the stories and telling out.
We talked to a Sea Org member afew weeks ago that told us all
kinds of wild stuff about whatwas happening in Los Angeles.
Like this will be a great story.
I'll just tell you really quick.
It's a Sea Org story, so I'lltell it.
When people protest in LosAngeles at where those big blue

(01:24:38):
buildings are and they are upand down the streets, there are
tunnels that are underneaththose buildings.
From when that was, it was ahospital.
You know, back in the fifties,before Scientology bought it,
and the Scientology bought thatin.
I think I want to say in theseventies, in the 1970s is when

(01:24:59):
they bought this, those bigcluster of blue buildings.
It's often referred to as thecomplex or big blue or pack, Any
of those things that you'veheard of.
It's talking about these bigblue buildings.
When I was a kid in the early1980s we used to run around in
those tunnels under therebecause that's what connected
the morgue to where they wouldprocess all the people that

(01:25:20):
passed away in the hospital.
They would take them through thetunnels to the other sections
of the or the other places orthey would get through places in
those tunnels and the morguewas in the same place where the
tunnels was and when we werekids that was the most scary,
crazy place to go because,Scientology they never renovated

(01:25:42):
any of that down there fromwhen they bought the building.
So when you would go down thereit was like from the tunnels,
with pipes and electrical wiresand burnt out lights and
sections where there were nolights and you'd have to have
flashlights and there was ratsdown there.
When people have beenprotesting Scientology recently,

(01:26:02):
they're taking the public fromone place, from one building to
another building in thosetunnels and I guarantee you,
when somebody found out thatthey were bringing regular
Scientologists not seaworkmembers, regular Scientologists
through those tunnels, we got tofix up these tunnels so there

(01:26:22):
was some kind of construction orsomething that was going on.
It's because they're trying tofreshen up these tunnels from
the viper pits, that they aredown there underneath the street
and with all the rats and allthat, and there's a million ways
from Sunday to get injured inthese tunnels with just things
that are holding up unistrut,that stick it out from pipes and
wires and dripping pipes andfreezing pipes and burning hot

(01:26:46):
pipes.
It's crazy down there.
It's wild Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
So yeah, and also, but they had the public, the
civilian Scientologists, goingthrough the tunnels as well, but
then they'd have to have up to.
They will have like 10 to 20Sea Org members just guarding to
make sure that they don't gooff into the wrong direction.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Yes, they had Sea Org members stationed at different
places because you could getlost in these tunnels down there
and also you could go intoplaces where regular civilian
Scientologists were not supposedto enter, because these are all
places where public never go.
So the fact that they werehaving to bring public through
these tunnels was a big deal andinsane, if you ask me, because
that definitely nonsense downthere that people don't need to
be making contact with.

(01:27:36):
Okay, Becky, USA says.
Question Claire will you havean audible version of your book?

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
That is my plan.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Yes, Okay, good, there you go.
I think we've got one lastquestion.
Unless I missed some, it saysBecky Lynn says question
compared with other auditors,was TC any good?
He was actually pretty horribleas a Scientology auditor.
I did tell a story in my bookand I've told it.
I think I've told it a fewtimes, even on here, when I was

(01:28:04):
getting my auditing from TomCruise, it a few times even on
here, when I was getting myauditing from Tom Cruise my
Scientology auditing from TomCruise I actually fell asleep
one time and it was the hugeflap that I fell asleep while he
was auditing me and, um, I wason the night shift, um, and so I
would sleep all day and then Iwould come.
I would sleep from eighto'clock to like five o'clock was

(01:28:27):
when I was secured for thenight and then I would come in
eat dinner and then I, rightafter dinner is when I would go
in session with Tom.
And when this thing happened,where I fell asleep, my boss got
switched to the night shift andI got switched to the day shift
and that night, after I'd sleptall day, they said okay, you're
going to, you're going to gohome.

(01:28:48):
And I was like what do you mean?
They're going to?
You're going to go back homeright now and I said it's like
eight o'clock.
They're like you're going to gohome early and you're going to
get some sleep and you're goingto come in tomorrow morning at
morning and then you're going to.
We're going to be gettingaudited by tom and be on the
night schedule.
You're going to go to the dayschedule.
I was like, well, who's goingto do the night schedule?

(01:29:09):
Like your boss, linea, is goingto do the night shift.
I was like, oh, linea is goingto be so bad anyway yes, fun,
fun okay so we're gonna yeah,tons of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Um, on that happy note, are we going to do a
giveaway?
Our giveaways, we have three.
Let me see if I can.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
If you do do here, let's put up the spiel.
We'll do this, tell us, andwe're going to do this now, guys
.
So I'm going to get the screenready here.
Let me see if I can do this.
Let me see if I got the uh, gotthe right settings and the
power and the.
Let's see if what happens if Ido this, if I go, we'll see if I
add it and it goes.
Oh, it worked.

(01:29:49):
Okay, so it's up to 36 entries.
So there's only 36 people thatentered.
There's 460 people who havecommented or been in the live.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
So um yeah, let's just give people a few minutes.
I see it going up.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Yeah, okay, let's let it go.
Let's get it.
If it goes up to, we'll startit when it gets to 50.
How about that?
We'll do some more questions.
Let's do some more questions.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
I didn't.
I didn't get a chance to sharemy Sea Orc Day story, but that's
okay.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
You can tell your Sea Orc Day sketch.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
It's probably kind of sad.
You tell your story and when Icome back we'll do the giveaway,
okay, so, um, as I've mentioned, my mother joined this
organization when I was fouryears old.
She was a single mom and wewere in uh, england, at St Hill,

(01:30:40):
anyhow.
So, my mother, I was, uh, myfirst year day.
I was five years old, and mymother presented it as oh, we're
going to have a picnic and it'sgoing to be fun and you'll get
to spend some time with me.
So I had high hopes that, allof a sudden, this was going to
mean that I would get to spendtime with my mother, who I was

(01:31:03):
just had.
From the moment she joined theSea Org organization, it became
a constant battle just to tryand even see her for an hour.
Sea Org Day this particular year, I'm five.
They at St Hill, they had builtthis massive like dummy ship on
a on a grass field and thetheme was, um, pirates and

(01:31:28):
sailors.
So they split all the Sea Orgmembers.
Half were sailors and half werepirates, and it was the team.
Activity was for the sailors touh, capture all the pirates and
throw them overboard.
Um, and my mother was a pirate,which instantly I just started

(01:31:48):
crying.
I'm like she's like, no, no,it's a game.
I'm like that's not a game.
They're going to throw you offthis real life ship.
So, from that moment forward, Iwas always traumatized by Sea
Orc Day.
And there you have it.
Okay, honey, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
Don't get thrown overboard when claire's around
do not, do not, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
And here kitty says hi, that's millie, hi millie
millie vanillie.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
That's what I call it .
Okay, let's put this back uphere.
Um oh, how do I get it back upthere?
Gotta push the buttons thereyou go.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
Nope, there you go not this button, that button all
right, here we go perfect howmany are we gonna do?
Um four, the first, so it's,it's a bobblehead first.
Actually you know what?
We'll just make it whoever wins.
You tell me what you want, youwant, and we'll take care of it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Okay, chances are pretty good.
You're going to win one out of53.
Right now, folks Move.
Oscar D, oscar D.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
All right, oscar D, send me an email claire at
blownforgoodcom with a link towhat you would like from either
the spshopcom or theblowingforgoodcom merch store.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
Perfect, okay, we're going to go just right away.
Go again.
Or you want to give peopleanother chance?
Okay, we're going to draw again.
We got entries.
It's up to 56 now.
So you got one out of 55chances because up 57.
One out of 56 chances becauseit automatically takes whoever
won off the list for the nextdrawing.
Ooh, melissa, you were robbed.

(01:33:35):
Halo, murray.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Halo Murray.
Congratulations, Halo Murray.
Send us an email, please Withwith your, your link, your link
yes exactly If you go to the SPshop or blown for goodcom to the
merch store with your link.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
Your link, yes, exactly.
If you go to the SP shop orblownforgoodcom to the merch
store, you just pick what youwant and then Claire can send
you a link.
That is that item.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Road to freedom.
Yay, there you go.
I really, I must say I'm justnot a fan of how much it slows
down to like you think it's theperson and then it scrolls one
more time.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
Yeah, that's the whole idea.
It does that.
It's suspense, it createssuspense.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Well, congratulations , thank you for being here.
Suspense and conflict I don'tneed any drama in my life.
Thanks, honey.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
It's like a wheel of fortune, the same as oh wow,
look at that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
oh oh, dear saint london didn't dings win last
week.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
He almost won again, or he was robbed last week.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
I just remember we were I remember the username for
sure, so thanks for being hereagain.
Dings, I'm so sorry you if youfeel robbed.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
Oh goodness me okay, mary k london, you won,
congratulations so how many havewe done now?
That was three, I think okay,so one more yeah, okay, here we
go.
This is it, folks.
This is the last one, skadoosh,and here you go.
I, I do like it, it is fun.
Now it does it.
Oh, even Phil almost got thatone.

(01:35:08):
Oh, lillian, oh Jenny, oh myGod.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Congratulations.
Thank you to everybody herejoining us.
We appreciate it.
Yes, last week I won.
Oh, there you go, you wereright, awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
See, every once in a while I remember that I've got a
good memory.
It's just my filing system'snot always the best.
Um, okay, um, I think we dideverything.
Let me see if I missed anycomments.
I don't think we did.
I think we got it.
Congratulations to all thewinners.
Um, the drawing algorithm isinfested with bts.

(01:35:44):
Fy tT says.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
There you go yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
You know, according to Scientology, everything's
infested with BTs guys, so thedrawing is not going to be an
exception.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
At least I still have my BTs, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
Hopefully you guys learned something new about the
C organization that you didn'tpriorly know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
And hopefully you had some fun with Mark's creativity
, you know he did a lot of workinto that slideshow.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
I got a hold of some AI image generators and they
were putting out and I was likethis is actually pretty good, I
think I'm going to.
I think I could make a bunch ofdifferent things here, but, yes
, we hope you guys had fun.
Hopefully you learned something.
If bunch of different thingshere, um, but yes, um, we hope
you guys had fun.
Hope you, hopefully you learnedsomething.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Um, if you if you are joining us, vanessa, I see you
in the chat.
It's good to see you here,thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
If you are somebody who lives near um, where Sea Org
members are um, and you seethem out in the wild, um, give
them um, let them know there'speople that care about them on
the outside.
You don't have to, um, youdon't have to get aggro with
them.
I mean, the way a seerremembers lives work.
If they go out and somebodygets aggro, that just reinforces

(01:36:58):
their.
What scientology has beenteaching them?
That people on the outside arecrazy and they're the ones that
are doing the right thing.
So if you act the fool aroundone of them and start screaming
stuff at them, then they're.
That's reinforces what they'vebeen indoctrinated.
So, um, so we try to, uh, wetry to, like, let them know.
Hey, you know, if you ever needto get out, there's, there's

(01:37:19):
people out here on the outside.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Joy, love and life on the outside, and it will be the
best day of the rest of yourlife the moment you get the GTFO
.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Yeah, and we've confirmed this with the people
that we've recently helped getout of this organization.
So, yeah, they have said it andit's kind of common knowledge
amongst Scientologists that,yeah, the outside world are the
bad guys and Scientology insidethe bubble.

(01:37:51):
That's where all the good is.
So when people act the fool,they go.
Yep, see, l Ron Hubbard wasright, they're acting the fool,
anything else, nope.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
That's it for this week.
Yes, thanks to everybody whojoined us.
We really appreciate it.
Don't forget to subscribe andlike we won't be able to do this
every week, but we certainlywill try to come back
periodically and I appreciateeveryone who sent me emails of
book recommendations for my lifeafter Scientology series.

(01:38:23):
Like I said, I have someamazing things that I'm super
excited about coming on that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
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this channel are not subscribed.
So if you want us to keep doingthis, it helps if we get
comments and likes andsubscribes and all that happy
hoo-ha.
So don't forget to do that, andotherwise until next time, guys
.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
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(01:39:07):
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