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June 10, 2025 26 mins

What do you do with the pains and problems of your past … the ones that you just can’t seem to let go?  Find out today, on BOLD STEPS with Pastor Mark Jobe. Last time, we began exploring the destructive trap of unforgiveness and how it affects our spiritual health. Mark reminded us that harboring bitterness not only damages our relationships with others but also grieves the Holy Spirit who dwells within us.  Today, we’ll continue our journey through Ephesians chapter 4, where Paul reminds us of an incredible truth … that our bodies are actually the temple of God’s Holy Spirit.

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S1 (00:00):
What do you do with the pains and problems of
your past? The ones that you just can't seem to
let go of? Find out today on Bold Steps with
Mark Jobe.

S2 (00:10):
There are some people in this auditorium. You struggle because
you've been born again. You have the Spirit of God
inside of you. But you have a past where there's hurt.
And if you haven't processed the hurt, that hurt can
turn to unforgiveness and bitterness.

S1 (00:41):
Welcome to Bold Steps with Mark Jobe. Mark is president
of Moody Bible Institute and senior pastor of New Life
Community Church in Chicago. And I'm Wayne Shepherd. Yesterday we
began exploring the destructive trap of unforgiveness and how it
affects our spiritual health. Mark reminded us that harboring bitterness
not only damages our relationships with others, but also grieves

(01:01):
the Holy Spirit who dwells within us. Today, we'll continue
our journey through Ephesians chapter four, where Paul reminds us
of an incredible truth that our bodies are the temple
of God's Holy Spirit. So let's dive into part two
of our message titled The Trap of Unforgiveness is here
on Bold Steps with Mark Jobe.

S2 (01:21):
The address of God is your body. You are a
temple of God. Your body is the dwelling place of God.
Wherever you go, you bring God. Where you walk. God
goes where you drive. God drives. When we dismiss today,

(01:42):
we are dismissing thousands of people that go into every
corner of Chicago. And if you're born again, you are
taking the presence of God, the manifest presence of the
Holy Spirit with you. We're going into every nook and
cranny of Chicago because the church scatters, but God doesn't
stay in the building. The manifest presence of God is
with you via the Holy Spirit. And so wherever you go,

(02:04):
you take God in a powerful way with you. Now
that's a reminder, though. Your body is the temple of
the Holy Spirit. What does that mean? Well, when you
were born, you're born physically, but you have a soul,
you have a spirit, and you have a body. Your spirit.

(02:26):
Not not Holy Spirit, but your spirit is dead. Ephesians
chapter two tells us that your spirit is dead because
of sin. But when you come to God, he makes
it alive. So the Holy Spirit interacts with your spirit.
And as you live your life, when you sin, he
brings you under conviction. He brings joy to your life.
He guides you. He corrects you. He instructs you. He

(02:49):
opens up your eyes to the Word of God. He's
called the Paraclete, which means the coach, the trainer, the
one that walks alongside of you. You have a personal
coach living inside of you via the Holy Spirit in
your body, that wherever you go, whatever you do, the
Holy Spirit is there to guide you, push you, instruct you,
help you worship. He cries, ABBA, father! When you worship today,

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when you are worshiping God, the Holy Spirit was saying,
come on, worship the father. Come on, worship he's ABBA. Father,
lift up your voice. Do you sense his presence? Do
you feel him? It's the Holy Spirit. When you're tempted
to sin, the Holy Spirit convicts you. You feel the
guilt of sin. You feel the tug of the spirit saying,
that's not who you are, that's who you were, but
not who you are anymore. When you open up the

(03:34):
Word of God and start reading, the Holy Spirit enlightens
your mind and he starts teaching you about the Word
of God. So your spirit is inflamed by the Holy Spirit.
So he teaches you about the Word of God. You
have God living inside of you. You say, well, pastor,
I don't understand that. Well, we worship one God, but

(03:58):
we worship one God in three persons. He's a triune God.
It's hard to explain. It's the mystery of what theologians
call the Trinity. But the essence of God is the
same God the Father, God the Son, and God the
Holy Spirit. He's the same. So he's got the same essence.

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He's got the same heart. He's got the same essence
of his being, but yet three distinct persons. God has
always existed that way. God the father never created the son.
He's always existed as God the Father, God the Son,
and God the Holy Spirit. Any teaching that teaches you otherwise,

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listen to me. It's heresy. Any teaching that devaluates the
son or takes away from the Holy Spirit is not
from the Word of God. And there's a lot of weird, uh,
crazy doctrines about the Trinity or about the Godhead. But
there is one God made up of three persons that

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have distinct functions. For example, when you pray, you pray
to God the Father, but you pray through Jesus the
Son that gives you access to God the Father. And
it's the Holy Spirit that teaches you how to pray
and what to pray. So it's one God operating in
three distinct functions and three distinct ways helping you live

(05:30):
out your walk in God. So the Bible tells us
that when there is unforgiveness within our heart, we grieve
the Holy Spirit. You say, well, why is that so important? Well,
it's important because first Romans chapter 14, verse 17 says,
the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating

(05:52):
and drinking, but of righteousness, peace. And here it goes.
And joy in the Holy Spirit. Galatians chapter five, verse
22 and 23 talks about the fruit of the spirit.
What is fruit? Well, if you walk by a pear tree,

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a pear tree that's healthy has pears at the right
season because the fruit is the natural production of a
healthy pear tree. When you are healthy and the Spirit
of God is living inside of you, you will have

(06:36):
the fruit of love, of joy, of peace, of patience,
of kindness, of goodness, of faithfulness, of gentleness, of self-control.
You will have that fruit. That's the natural fruit of
when the spirit is alive inside of you. Listen to
me well. The kingdom of God is made up of
joy in the Holy Spirit. Over and over in Scripture,

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joy in the Holy Spirit are tied into each other.
The fruit of the spirit is joy. Hear me well.
There is no such thing as a spirit filled church
that doesn't have joy. Joy is part of the natural
essence of God. Some of you were raised in churches

(07:21):
that felt like funeral homes. In fact, the more sad
you looked, the more holy you looked. I don't know
about you, but when I look at these stained glass
windows and some of the pictures of quote unquote, the saints,
they always look like they just drank lemon juice. When
you look at them, I don't think I ever see

(07:42):
pictures of saints smiling. They're all like this. And it
feels like the the the meaner or sadder you look,
the holier you are. Listen, can I tell you something?
If we have the Spirit of God, there's joy in
this place. Some of you come from backgrounds and you
actually come to church and people are clapping and laughing

(08:04):
and smiling and raising their hands, and and you get
all nervous like, hey, are we like, are we allowed
to do that in church? Is is that okay? I mean,
this is I don't know, people are kind of making
a little bit too much noise and they're laughing and
they're clapping. Listen, the fruit of the spirit is joy.
Joy is part of who we are. Joy is a

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result of the spirit. It's the essence of the spirit.
Joy should be part of what naturally emanates out of
you when you're full of the spirit. In fact, a
joyless believer is a believer. That's, uh, there's something wrong
with your spirituality. And listen. Unforgiveness. We cannot be grieving

(08:49):
the spirit and have the joy of the spirit at
the same time. Let me say that again. When you
are grieving the spirit, the spirit is who should be
producing joy in your life. When you are grieving the
spirit that is should be producing joy. You cannot have
the joy of God when you're grieving the Spirit of

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God at the same time. Therefore, some of us who
should be experiencing the joy of God do not have
the joy of God because the Spirit of God is
grieving inside of us. So you feel the grieving of
God instead of the joy of the spirit.

S1 (09:32):
You're listening to Bold Steps with Mark Jobe, who again
is a pastor and a president pastor of New Life
Community Church in Chicago and president of Moody Bible Institute.
We'll continue today's message in just a moment. But, Mark,
we get so many encouraging messages and calls from listeners
who are being helped by these powerful Bible lessons on
bold steps. I wish we could play them all, but
we don't have the time. But I do want you
to hear a voice message we recently received.

S3 (09:56):
Hello. Greetings. My name is Molly, Doctor Joe. I just
want you to know that in my walk with Christ,
you've been very encouraging. I've been wavering, you know, in
and out, in and out. Very lukewarm. But your. Your
words have been encouraging, and it's helping me to to
just get focused and stay focused. So I just wanted

(10:16):
you to know that. Be blessed. Thank you so much.

S2 (10:19):
Molly. It's so encouraging to hear you say that God
is using this. I don't know where you're from, but
I love your accent, by the way. And, um, you know,
God is using these messages in so many different places.
We hear from people really all around the world. Thank
you for letting us know that ultimately, it's the Holy
Spirit taking these messages to challenge people to live for him.

S1 (10:42):
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S2 (10:50):
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Now let's return to our message titled The Trap of Unforgiveness.

S2 (12:32):
I believe to be sealed with the spirit means that
it's permanent, that it implies ownership, and that you cannot
be unsealed. I believe once you are born again to
the Spirit of God, I believe in the assurance of
believers that if you're born again, you cannot be unborn again.
You are sealed unto the day of redemption. You may struggle,
you may fall, you may come under discipline, but you

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are sealed unto the day of redemption. Number two unforgiveness
This evolves always if it's undealt with into something destructive
in our attitudes and our behaviors. Notice what he says
after do not grieve the spirit. He says, get rid.

(13:15):
That means get it out of your system. Be done
with it. With what? With the fruit of unforgiveness. What's
the fruit of unforgiveness? The fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace,
long suffering, gentleness, faith, meekness, temperance. The fruit of unforgiveness
is bitterness, rage, anger, brawling, slander along with every form

(13:42):
of malice. Now I want you to hear me well.
Anger which is listed here. Anger is a secondary emotion.
Counselors and and therapists would call it a secondary emotion.
Anger is not a sin, it's an emotion. None of

(14:05):
your emotions are sin. To be sad is not a sin.
To be angry is not a sin. To be happy
is not a sin. But it's what you do with
your emotions that can become sinful. If in your anger
you start to abuse someone that's sinful. If in your
anger you start to verbally put someone down, that's sinful.

(14:29):
So to have the emotions of anger is not sinful,
but what you do with your anger can be turned sinful.
So what the Apostle Paul is telling us is that
you cannot grieve the Holy Spirit. The fruit of unforgiveness
and he defines it bitterness. What is bitterness? Bitterness has
been defined as the embittered or resentful spirit that refuses reconciliation.

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Rage is amped up. Anger that lashes out against the
world and system and everybody. Anger can have multiple forms
of expressions. It can simmer deep inside or it can
explode on the outside. He talks about brawling, brawling. Is
this this attitude in which you're always ready for a fight,

(15:19):
always on the verge of altercation? Slander is when you're
angry at someone. You speak ill of that person because
you have anger or resentment inside of you. And malice
is simply that desire to do evil against other people.

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Because you're so mad and angry at them that you
want bad to happen to them. All of these are
the fruit of unforgiveness. Now, there are some people in
this auditorium that you struggle because You've been born again.

(16:02):
You have the Spirit of God inside of you, but
you have a past where there's hurt. And if you
haven't processed the hurt, that hurt can turn to unforgiveness
and bitterness. Look up at me. This is really important.

(16:23):
Show me a 25 year old in this auditorium today
that if when you were six or 7 or 8,
you were verbally abused, physically abused, criticized, lived with an
addict stepfather that maybe sexually abused you and you felt
unwanted and demeaned by the time you're 25. If you

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have not dealt with it, you are an angry individual.
There's rage, there's anger, there's slander, there's brawling. Why? Because
there's a lot of pain inside that hasn't been processed.
and your pain turns into undealt with anger. Explosive anger
inside of you. People around you say, what's wrong with you? Ah,

(17:08):
this world and you. If I didn't know. And you
go off. Let me tell you, if you don't deal
with the hurt of the past, if you haven't processed it,
dealt with it before God gone through this process of forgiveness,
then you let it simmer inside of you. And when
it simmers inside of you, it turns into something that's

(17:28):
toxic to you and to the people that are around you.
In the city of Chicago. We hear about these crazy
acts of violence. And one more time we'll hear on I-55,
someone honked at someone. Someone gave him a dirty look.
And before we know it, someone shot and killed on

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the expressway. And we say, wow, traffic is terrible in Chicago.
Can I tell you it has nothing to do with traffic?
This is not about the honk. This is not about
the driving. This is about the guy that, at five
years old, was physically abused, beaten up, and abandoned by

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a stepfather. And they haven't processed it. And they're full
of anger and they're full of issues in their life
that they haven't dealt with. And when you when you
tip it, it spills out. If I had an opaque
glass here, you wouldn't be able to tell what's inside
of it. But if someone bumps me, whatever's inside is

(18:34):
going to spill out. If I'm full of anger, rage, brawling, unforgiveness,
then it takes a honk on the expressway and it
spills out. And everything that's directed towards that stepfather that
abused me now becomes the rage against the person that
just honked at me. And people say, I don't know
why I'm like this. I love my girlfriend or I

(18:55):
love my wife and but I explode and I just
call her things. I don't know what's wrong. I know
what's wrong. What's wrong is you haven't dealt with your issues.
What's wrong is you haven't gone to those hard places.
What's wrong is you haven't processed your hurt, you haven't forgiven.
You haven't gone to those places that are causing you
to be an angry person. And until you deal with it,
you may deal with the emotions. And you say, well, pastor,

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I know what I'm going to do. I'm just going
to count to ten. When I'm angry. That's good. Ten, nine, eight, seven, six.
I'm just going to go for a jog. Some of
you are really good shape because you're you're angry so
often you're going for a jog or I'm going to
just breathe deeply. And you know what? I'm happy you're
doing that because I don't want people around you to

(19:41):
get hurt. But that will not deal with the core issue.
The pressure cooker will still have pressure unless the flame
is turned off, unless you deal with the root of
your hurt, unless you deal with that unforgiveness. Unless you
deal with the pain, unless you confront it and process

(20:03):
it before God and deal with it, it will continue
to surface. It will continue to boil up. So there
are some people that are believers in this auditorium today.
And you come to me, I know because you talk
to me about it and you say, pastor, I don't
know what happened. I was doing so good for three months,
and then I fell, and then I did so good

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for five months, and then I fell again. And then
I was doing really good for another four months. And
then I fell again. Let me tell you what's happening.
What's happening to a lot of people is that you
do well until you get angry. And when you get angry,
then suddenly all the old stuff, you, you go immediately

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back to whatever made you feel good in your old life.
That's what it tells us earlier in this chapter, in
Ephesians chapter four, verse 26 through 27, it says, be
angry and do not sin. Listen. Do not let the
sun go down while you are angry. Do not give
the devil a foothold. When you become angry, you give

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the devil an opportunity and a foothold. You're doing really
well fighting pornography. But when you got angry, you wanted
something to make you feel better. And so you. You
opened up that old pornography page that you go to,
and you fell. You called up that old girlfriend and
fell sexually. You went out and over drank. You lit

(21:32):
up one more time that cannabis just to calm your
nerves down. And you were doing so well. You know why? Anger.
And so what the Apostle Paul is telling us is
he's telling us that we have to deal with our anger.
We have to get rid of this bitterness and rage

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and brawling and slander. It tells us in Matthew chapter six,
verse 14, Jesus was teaching his disciples to pray, and
at the end of the prayer he says, if you
forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly father will
forgive you. But if you refuse to forgive others, your

(22:15):
heavenly father will not forgive you your sins. What does
this mean? It simply means that when you have unforgiveness
in your heart, you're living in sin and God cannot
release you from what you're continuing to do. You have
to choose to get rid of it so God can
release you from it. So the Apostle Paul is talking

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to these believers about walking in victory, and he's describing
to them how they can overcome. And he ends up
this passage with this last exhortation. Which leads me to
my third point. Unforgiveness can only be overcome with Genuine forgiveness.

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So the Apostle Paul says in verse 32, be kind
and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other just as
in Christ, God forgave you. So the Apostle Paul really
gets the root of the solution when he says, hey,

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you can't grieve the spirit by having unforgiveness that leads
to the fruit of unforgiveness. Until you get to the
point of saying, I gotta release, I gotta forgive, I
gotta let go.

S1 (23:45):
You're listening to Bold Steps with Mark Jobe in the
middle of a three part message on the trap of unforgiveness.
Make plans to join us tomorrow to hear the final segment.
And if you can't tune in tomorrow, you simply want
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(24:05):
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(25:34):
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