July 31, 2024 • 16 mins
Summary
In this podcast episode, Jon and Kristy introduce their new podcast and discuss how they got started. They also talk about their rating system for books and their plans for future episodes.
Links
Turn the Page Bookstore, Westfield, IN: https://turnthepagewestfield.com/
Kristy's Goodreads profile: https://www.goodreads.com/kristypritzl
Jon's Goodreads profile: https://www.goodreads.com/jkpritzl
Takeaways
- This episode serves as an introduction to their new podcast.
- They discuss how they got started and what inspired them to create the podcast.
- They explain their rating system for books and how they determine their ratings.
- The plan for future episodes is to provide an overview of a book, have a spoiler-free discussion, and then dive into a more detailed conversation with spoilers.
- The first book they will be discussing is 'Fourth Wing' by Rebecca Yarros.
Chapters
- (00:40) - How we got here
- (01:51) - Jon's a streaky reader
- (04:41) - How we rate books
- (05:08) - 5 stars are not finite
- (06:19) - 5 stars =
- (07:42) - 4 stars
- (07:54) - What's an unreliable narrator?
- (09:45) - 3 stars
- (10:36) - 2 stars
- (11:27) - 1 star
- (11:46) - Jon's take on things
- (13:48) - A podcast plan
- (14:20) - First episode will be...
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Transcript
Episode Transcript
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(00:05):
Welcome to our first podcast, the introduction of our first podcast.
Yes, welcome.
(01:31):
It's not an introductory podcast, it's a podcast that has an introductory episode.
Yes.
But it is our inaugural podcast.
That would be accurate and correct.
Yes.
given that it's an election year.
That's a good word to use.
yes.
I think we want to avoid that topic though.
Yes.
(02:50):
think we should probably talk about how we got
That's probably a place to start.
And at the beginning, I know, right?
I know we were telling this story last night to we were out with a couple of friends lastnight for dinner and we were telling them about our podcast and then we were getting ready
(03:10):
to record our intro episode, which is right now.
We were telling them kind of how we got here and what inspired the podcast.
And I said that I had asked you to read the book, All the Ugly and Wonderful Things,
I was reading the little script we kind of outlined and it was Gone Girl.
Gone Girl was the first one Yes.
(03:35):
Which are two amazing books, but I'm pretty sure it Gone Girl.
Who knows?
It might've been another
(04:07):
Yeah, so I asked you read those books and then that's kind of been a theme when a bookparticularly resonates with me or maybe something in the book resonates with me in regards
to our relationship, I've recommended it to you.
So you've read quite a few books over the years and we've been married close to 12 yearsnow that I recommended.
(04:34):
Yeah.
Which has been helpful.
Like I'm a pretty streaky reader.
So I go in waves where I'll read a lot and then I won't read anything for a while.
but I think that's been reduced a bit, especially recently over the last couple of years,as we've done this a little bit more.
One of the things for me, that's made me a streaky reader is just like, I don't reallyknow what to read.
(04:54):
tend to gravitate to one particular thing for a little while and then, just kind of falloff the cliff.
So with you being a more avid reader,
and knowing me as well as you do, it's been helpful for me to like expand my readingpalette even to different genres and different types of books that I would have no idea or
(05:16):
wouldn't have picked up on my
And I think that is what also really resonated with us to do the podcast.
So was visiting a local bookshop and I was admittedly eavesdropping on the conversation ofa couple of the shop.
(05:38):
I think one of them was the owner.
really don't remember.
think owner, worker, employee, and...
they were talking about their book club.
And so I was laughing at some of their conversation because they were complaining aboutsome of the people in their book club and some of their
(06:00):
I don't know what I want to say.
Commentary, thank you.
Was maybe some of the things that I might get a little...
I could relate to it.
I could relate to some of those things, which maybe we'll get into a little later,particularly with how people write books.
Anyway, so I joined their conversation because I felt compelled to after eavesdropping,which I admitted to.
(06:25):
And then I ended up talking to these ladies for an hour and a half.
I talked about this idea for this podcast and they absolutely loved it.
And they said, have to do this podcast.
(06:46):
More women want their partners to read books or read books that they're readingparticularly.
And so I think that just speaks to what you're saying.
Like maybe you want to read, but you don't know what to read.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
And it's just a good sharing moment for us to like reading so important to you and likehaving this for the two of us to talk about this and books that you're interested in.
(07:10):
And we're just choosing to record and publish for the world to enjoy our, our banter.
and there'll be no shortage of that.
So shout out to the ladies at Turn the Page Bookstore in Westfield, Indiana forencouraging us to really pull the plug on this podcast.
(07:34):
I told them I would do that if it ever came to fruition.
So hopefully this actually makes it into the ether somewhere.
We'll put their shop website on the in the show notes.
Good, good.
of the things we wanted to talk about was how I rate books.
And you can find me on Goodreads, you can Google my name in Goodreads, I'm sure it'll popup, but we'll also link this in the show notes.
(07:59):
But I think it's important to talk about when I say something's four or five stars, threestars, what do I mean?
What does that mean to me?
Because everyone has their own rating system.
And
think first things first is I have to get this off my chest.
It's been weighing on there for many millennia now.
There are not a finite number of five stars you can give books in a year.
(08:25):
There's not.
There's absolutely not.
You can give every single book if you felt so inclined to five stars.
Now, remember, most of the books I'm reading are four and higher.
Those are books that I'm coming across through different means.
(08:48):
Someone recommends them.
I, on Goodreads, if you like a book, it recommends other books that are within the samegenre or subject matter.
And if something's 3.7, 3.8, I mean, I get a little nervous.
That means that the majority of people thought it was a three or a four, which for meisn't great.
(09:50):
someone recommends a book to me that's 3.8, 3.7, I don't know, 3.9, maybe that's lessrisky, I'll read it for sure.
But I won't read a book that's rated 3.7 on Goodreads without a recommendation, either bya friend or by a bookstagrammer, someone I've been following and trust.
I like other books that they've read and rated.
(10:12):
But back to what makes a five -star book.
So I think if I read a book, it kept me intrigued.
I was excited to pick it up each time.
I enjoyed the characters.
I felt maybe the characters were relatable in some way.
I didn't see any major plot holes.
I laughed, I cried.
I didn't really want the book to end.
(10:33):
I'm gonna give it five stars.
Like it doesn't have to be the best book I've ever read.
It doesn't have to be the best book I've read that year or maybe that month.
You can't compare a 300 page rom -com to a 700 page epic fantasy.
You just can't.
They're totally different books.
(10:53):
But it doesn't mean that that 300 page rom -com, which I would say is a little lighter ingeneral in subject matter, is not five stars.
Like is it five stars at being the book that it is?
If you go into McDonald's, you're not going to compare it to a Capital Grille.
which is our, like, steakhouse of choice.
(11:14):
But that doesn't mean that McDonald's is not a five -star McDonald's or a five -star fastfood.
Like, did you go in?
Did they get your order right?
Was the service friendly?
Was the bathroom clean?
Was the area clean?
Like, did you have everything you needed?
Makes sense.
So you have to rate books where they are and what kind of book they are.
(11:37):
mean, Now four stars.
(12:51):
All right, so if there's a hole in the plot or something else that just didn't make sense,maybe I fell the author, I don't know, fell short someplace, I might give it four stars.
And another reason I might give four stars is if there's an unreliable narrator.
Wait, time out.
I don't know what that means.
So an unreliable narrator to me is in the book you have your person who's telling thestory, maybe it's from multiple point of views, but if there is a narrator that suddenly
(13:24):
changes their character, their storyline, their personality, I don't like that.
Because it makes me wonder
Okay, I mean like if we get halfway through a book, it's 200 pages through, was anythingin those first 200 pages the truth?
(13:46):
I see.
So meaning like you're following along with this character.
They've made certain decisions along the way through the that's giving them an arc and allof sudden they make a completely one 80 decision from the pattern or path that they've
already made up to that point.
Is that kind of what you
that could be it, or they just tell you stuff and they contradict themselves later on inthe story.
(14:09):
Now, there will be some authors that I have read that I think their intention is to usethis as like a plot twist, but to me, it just doesn't create this throughput of the story.
And I just, don't like that.
Maybe that's a personal thing, but that's usually more what I reserve for three stars, Ifeel
(14:31):
and unreliable in their area because that is just something that is just going to reallyturn me off from the book.
but back to four stars is like, it's good.
It's really good, probably.
But there was just like a tiny piece kind of missing for me.
So the unreliable narrator isn't necessarily a four star.
You would categorize that more as a three star.
(14:54):
Yeah, it kind of depends on what we're talking about.
But three stars would be, man, I want to like this book, but it's tough to read at times.
I didn't feel as I didn't feel excited about picking it up.
Definitely the unreliable narrators here.
(15:16):
Characters that are unlikable, unrelent and I don't see you say unlikable because hey,there's always characters you just don't resonate with aren't likable, but they're just
not relatable.
Like no one's gonna do that.
No one would say that.
No one would act this way.
the story's just not believable.
And I don't mean sci -fi, like, cause yes, yes, like this, yeah.
(15:44):
Or maybe there's just
Too many coincidences, like all these things would have had to happen for this one thingto be possible.
So yeah, that would be three stars.
Two stars, almost certain and someone's gonna probably fact check me on this is I've onlygiven one book on Goodreads two stars.
(16:11):
And I did that because it had, I think
one, at least one, maybe two, because it was written from multiple points of view,unreliable narrators.
It had major plot holes and the characters were not it was just too coincidental.
(16:35):
Like all these like things.
I don't know.
I just really did not care for
So really it's, it's a culmination of a lot of things that you've already kind of calledout.
Like if a book has one or two of these things, it's probably a four star.
If it has three or four of these things, it's a three star.
If it has a bunch of these things and it's like cumulatively.
Yeah, I mean, that might be a little generous, but yes.
(16:57):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then one star book I feel like probably shouldn't have been written.
how many books have you seen on Goodreads that are one point something?
I mean, two point something is even tough.
that's fair.
(17:18):
So that's what I mean.
I only give one book two stars because most of the ones I'm reading like...
I get that's helpful.
mean, it's helpful for people to understand as we move on through this podcast andunderstand like what we mean ratings.
think I pretty much align with all of that.
(17:38):
I'm probably not as granular in your thinking and each of reasons because I just don'tread as much as you.
So maybe I don't pick up on intricacies of a storyline or a plot or something to thateffect that you might pick up on just based on
how much you
(17:59):
But yeah, I mean, to me, a five star is, I can't put it down.
There are characters that I can relate to, or you you care about as characters in theworld that they're in, and you just want to keep turning the page.
And four stars is probably similar, but maybe there's a couple of characters or somethingthat I just can't connect with.
(18:25):
And at a certain level and don't care for them as deeply or feel the impact of whateverhappens to them in that particular I don't know what a three star would be for me,
honestly.
or even a two star I have.
Like, again, because I'm not as avid of a reader, I would probably put something as athree star if I just don't feel like I can get through it.
(19:32):
For example, this one book I'm thinking of in particular, The Book Thief, I think it is,highly recommended and I think it's highly rated.
It's very highly rated.
I've read it, yeah.
but I picked it up right after I got done with like a Don Winslow series about drugcartels and the dichotomy between those two, storylines.
(19:58):
just wasn't really in the head space.
And so I couldn't, I just couldn't get through it.
I think I got a third of the way through and I just put it down.
Yeah, The Book Thief is definitely like a slow burn.
So you kind of have to...
commit.
Yeah, that's fair.
but I mean, I would want to read it again.
(20:18):
I haven't picked it up since, but it's still lingers as one of those that I think I wouldlike to finish.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I feel like we're on the same page with ratings.
Yeah, agreed.
So I think the plan for the podcast is to have a book.
I'll give an overview of the book.
(20:41):
We will do the overview with no spoilers.
And then we will warn the audience if the rest of the content has spoilers in it.
And then I think we'll have a discussion amongst the two of us about the book.
And I'll ask you questions about the book.
Yeah, yeah.
(21:02):
Cool.
What's our first book that we're going to put out there for the world?
Do we want to tease that out yet?
Are we going to hold on to
No, I think we should throw it out into the universe.
Fourth wing by Rebecca Yarros, which I finished, I guess a couple months ago now, time hasflown by, but I'm in halfway through the second one now.
(21:28):
So everything's still really fresh in my head and I'm excited to talk about that one.
she just released the cover for the third one, which comes out I think in January, whichwill be here, you know, like
I know for
(22:09):
it'll be good Q and A and then just kind of organic from there, which we tend not to havetoo much trouble
No.
Yeah, and then after the interview, we'll probably tee up the next book and then do it allover again.
Yeah, I'm you said in the beginning, this is something we've talked about for quite awhile.
(22:31):
And so it's fun to see it come together.
It's fun for something you and I to do together.
And, who knows, you know, what might catch on, even if it's just the two ladies at thebookstore in Westfield that wind up listening to it and, our families, yeah.
donation button is on the website.
(22:54):
go fund me.
(23:56):
Alright, thanks for listening.
Maybe this one will be the one your husband reads.
There we go.
Sign off.
Take care then, bye bye now.
See you.
Welcome to our first podcast, the introduction of our first podcast.
Yes, welcome.
(01:31):
It's not an introductory podcast, it's a podcast that has an introductory episode.
Yes.
But it is our inaugural podcast.
That would be accurate and correct.
Yes.
given that it's an election year.
That's a good word to use.
yes.
I think we want to avoid that topic though.
Yes.
(02:50):
think we should probably talk about how we got
That's probably a place to start.
And at the beginning, I know, right?
I know we were telling this story last night to we were out with a couple of friends lastnight for dinner and we were telling them about our podcast and then we were getting ready
(03:10):
to record our intro episode, which is right now.
We were telling them kind of how we got here and what inspired the podcast.
And I said that I had asked you to read the book, All the Ugly and Wonderful Things,
I was reading the little script we kind of outlined and it was Gone Girl.
Gone Girl was the first one Yes.
(03:35):
Which are two amazing books, but I'm pretty sure it Gone Girl.
Who knows?
It might've been another
(04:07):
Yeah, so I asked you read those books and then that's kind of been a theme when a bookparticularly resonates with me or maybe something in the book resonates with me in regards
to our relationship, I've recommended it to you.
So you've read quite a few books over the years and we've been married close to 12 yearsnow that I recommended.
(04:34):
Yeah.
Which has been helpful.
Like I'm a pretty streaky reader.
So I go in waves where I'll read a lot and then I won't read anything for a while.
but I think that's been reduced a bit, especially recently over the last couple of years,as we've done this a little bit more.
One of the things for me, that's made me a streaky reader is just like, I don't reallyknow what to read.
(04:54):
tend to gravitate to one particular thing for a little while and then, just kind of falloff the cliff.
So with you being a more avid reader,
and knowing me as well as you do, it's been helpful for me to like expand my readingpalette even to different genres and different types of books that I would have no idea or
(05:16):
wouldn't have picked up on my
And I think that is what also really resonated with us to do the podcast.
So was visiting a local bookshop and I was admittedly eavesdropping on the conversation ofa couple of the shop.
(05:38):
I think one of them was the owner.
really don't remember.
think owner, worker, employee, and...
they were talking about their book club.
And so I was laughing at some of their conversation because they were complaining aboutsome of the people in their book club and some of their
(06:00):
I don't know what I want to say.
Commentary, thank you.
Was maybe some of the things that I might get a little...
I could relate to it.
I could relate to some of those things, which maybe we'll get into a little later,particularly with how people write books.
Anyway, so I joined their conversation because I felt compelled to after eavesdropping,which I admitted to.
(06:25):
And then I ended up talking to these ladies for an hour and a half.
I talked about this idea for this podcast and they absolutely loved it.
And they said, have to do this podcast.
(06:46):
More women want their partners to read books or read books that they're readingparticularly.
And so I think that just speaks to what you're saying.
Like maybe you want to read, but you don't know what to read.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
And it's just a good sharing moment for us to like reading so important to you and likehaving this for the two of us to talk about this and books that you're interested in.
(07:10):
And we're just choosing to record and publish for the world to enjoy our, our banter.
and there'll be no shortage of that.
So shout out to the ladies at Turn the Page Bookstore in Westfield, Indiana forencouraging us to really pull the plug on this podcast.
(07:34):
I told them I would do that if it ever came to fruition.
So hopefully this actually makes it into the ether somewhere.
We'll put their shop website on the in the show notes.
Good, good.
of the things we wanted to talk about was how I rate books.
And you can find me on Goodreads, you can Google my name in Goodreads, I'm sure it'll popup, but we'll also link this in the show notes.
(07:59):
But I think it's important to talk about when I say something's four or five stars, threestars, what do I mean?
What does that mean to me?
Because everyone has their own rating system.
And
think first things first is I have to get this off my chest.
It's been weighing on there for many millennia now.
There are not a finite number of five stars you can give books in a year.
(08:25):
There's not.
There's absolutely not.
You can give every single book if you felt so inclined to five stars.
Now, remember, most of the books I'm reading are four and higher.
Those are books that I'm coming across through different means.
(08:48):
Someone recommends them.
I, on Goodreads, if you like a book, it recommends other books that are within the samegenre or subject matter.
And if something's 3.7, 3.8, I mean, I get a little nervous.
That means that the majority of people thought it was a three or a four, which for meisn't great.
(09:50):
someone recommends a book to me that's 3.8, 3.7, I don't know, 3.9, maybe that's lessrisky, I'll read it for sure.
But I won't read a book that's rated 3.7 on Goodreads without a recommendation, either bya friend or by a bookstagrammer, someone I've been following and trust.
I like other books that they've read and rated.
(10:12):
But back to what makes a five -star book.
So I think if I read a book, it kept me intrigued.
I was excited to pick it up each time.
I enjoyed the characters.
I felt maybe the characters were relatable in some way.
I didn't see any major plot holes.
I laughed, I cried.
I didn't really want the book to end.
(10:33):
I'm gonna give it five stars.
Like it doesn't have to be the best book I've ever read.
It doesn't have to be the best book I've read that year or maybe that month.
You can't compare a 300 page rom -com to a 700 page epic fantasy.
You just can't.
They're totally different books.
(10:53):
But it doesn't mean that that 300 page rom -com, which I would say is a little lighter ingeneral in subject matter, is not five stars.
Like is it five stars at being the book that it is?
If you go into McDonald's, you're not going to compare it to a Capital Grille.
which is our, like, steakhouse of choice.
(11:14):
But that doesn't mean that McDonald's is not a five -star McDonald's or a five -star fastfood.
Like, did you go in?
Did they get your order right?
Was the service friendly?
Was the bathroom clean?
Was the area clean?
Like, did you have everything you needed?
Makes sense.
So you have to rate books where they are and what kind of book they are.
(11:37):
mean, Now four stars.
(12:51):
All right, so if there's a hole in the plot or something else that just didn't make sense,maybe I fell the author, I don't know, fell short someplace, I might give it four stars.
And another reason I might give four stars is if there's an unreliable narrator.
Wait, time out.
I don't know what that means.
So an unreliable narrator to me is in the book you have your person who's telling thestory, maybe it's from multiple point of views, but if there is a narrator that suddenly
(13:24):
changes their character, their storyline, their personality, I don't like that.
Because it makes me wonder
Okay, I mean like if we get halfway through a book, it's 200 pages through, was anythingin those first 200 pages the truth?
(13:46):
I see.
So meaning like you're following along with this character.
They've made certain decisions along the way through the that's giving them an arc and allof sudden they make a completely one 80 decision from the pattern or path that they've
already made up to that point.
Is that kind of what you
that could be it, or they just tell you stuff and they contradict themselves later on inthe story.
(14:09):
Now, there will be some authors that I have read that I think their intention is to usethis as like a plot twist, but to me, it just doesn't create this throughput of the story.
And I just, don't like that.
Maybe that's a personal thing, but that's usually more what I reserve for three stars, Ifeel
(14:31):
and unreliable in their area because that is just something that is just going to reallyturn me off from the book.
but back to four stars is like, it's good.
It's really good, probably.
But there was just like a tiny piece kind of missing for me.
So the unreliable narrator isn't necessarily a four star.
You would categorize that more as a three star.
(14:54):
Yeah, it kind of depends on what we're talking about.
But three stars would be, man, I want to like this book, but it's tough to read at times.
I didn't feel as I didn't feel excited about picking it up.
Definitely the unreliable narrators here.
(15:16):
Characters that are unlikable, unrelent and I don't see you say unlikable because hey,there's always characters you just don't resonate with aren't likable, but they're just
not relatable.
Like no one's gonna do that.
No one would say that.
No one would act this way.
the story's just not believable.
And I don't mean sci -fi, like, cause yes, yes, like this, yeah.
(15:44):
Or maybe there's just
Too many coincidences, like all these things would have had to happen for this one thingto be possible.
So yeah, that would be three stars.
Two stars, almost certain and someone's gonna probably fact check me on this is I've onlygiven one book on Goodreads two stars.
(16:11):
And I did that because it had, I think
one, at least one, maybe two, because it was written from multiple points of view,unreliable narrators.
It had major plot holes and the characters were not it was just too coincidental.
(16:35):
Like all these like things.
I don't know.
I just really did not care for
So really it's, it's a culmination of a lot of things that you've already kind of calledout.
Like if a book has one or two of these things, it's probably a four star.
If it has three or four of these things, it's a three star.
If it has a bunch of these things and it's like cumulatively.
Yeah, I mean, that might be a little generous, but yes.
(16:57):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then one star book I feel like probably shouldn't have been written.
how many books have you seen on Goodreads that are one point something?
I mean, two point something is even tough.
that's fair.
(17:18):
So that's what I mean.
I only give one book two stars because most of the ones I'm reading like...
I get that's helpful.
mean, it's helpful for people to understand as we move on through this podcast andunderstand like what we mean ratings.
think I pretty much align with all of that.
(17:38):
I'm probably not as granular in your thinking and each of reasons because I just don'tread as much as you.
So maybe I don't pick up on intricacies of a storyline or a plot or something to thateffect that you might pick up on just based on
how much you
(17:59):
But yeah, I mean, to me, a five star is, I can't put it down.
There are characters that I can relate to, or you you care about as characters in theworld that they're in, and you just want to keep turning the page.
And four stars is probably similar, but maybe there's a couple of characters or somethingthat I just can't connect with.
(18:25):
And at a certain level and don't care for them as deeply or feel the impact of whateverhappens to them in that particular I don't know what a three star would be for me,
honestly.
or even a two star I have.
Like, again, because I'm not as avid of a reader, I would probably put something as athree star if I just don't feel like I can get through it.
(19:32):
For example, this one book I'm thinking of in particular, The Book Thief, I think it is,highly recommended and I think it's highly rated.
It's very highly rated.
I've read it, yeah.
but I picked it up right after I got done with like a Don Winslow series about drugcartels and the dichotomy between those two, storylines.
(19:58):
just wasn't really in the head space.
And so I couldn't, I just couldn't get through it.
I think I got a third of the way through and I just put it down.
Yeah, The Book Thief is definitely like a slow burn.
So you kind of have to...
commit.
Yeah, that's fair.
but I mean, I would want to read it again.
(20:18):
I haven't picked it up since, but it's still lingers as one of those that I think I wouldlike to finish.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I feel like we're on the same page with ratings.
Yeah, agreed.
So I think the plan for the podcast is to have a book.
I'll give an overview of the book.
(20:41):
We will do the overview with no spoilers.
And then we will warn the audience if the rest of the content has spoilers in it.
And then I think we'll have a discussion amongst the two of us about the book.
And I'll ask you questions about the book.
Yeah, yeah.
(21:02):
Cool.
What's our first book that we're going to put out there for the world?
Do we want to tease that out yet?
Are we going to hold on to
No, I think we should throw it out into the universe.
Fourth wing by Rebecca Yarros, which I finished, I guess a couple months ago now, time hasflown by, but I'm in halfway through the second one now.
(21:28):
So everything's still really fresh in my head and I'm excited to talk about that one.
she just released the cover for the third one, which comes out I think in January, whichwill be here, you know, like
I know for
(22:09):
it'll be good Q and A and then just kind of organic from there, which we tend not to havetoo much trouble
No.
Yeah, and then after the interview, we'll probably tee up the next book and then do it allover again.
Yeah, I'm you said in the beginning, this is something we've talked about for quite awhile.
(22:31):
And so it's fun to see it come together.
It's fun for something you and I to do together.
And, who knows, you know, what might catch on, even if it's just the two ladies at thebookstore in Westfield that wind up listening to it and, our families, yeah.
donation button is on the website.
(22:54):
go fund me.
(23:56):
Alright, thanks for listening.
Maybe this one will be the one your husband reads.
There we go.
Sign off.
Take care then, bye bye now.
See you.
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