Ep. 41 Rosemary's Baby by Ira Levin vs. Rosemary's Baby (1968)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Books vs Movies, the podcast where I set
out to answer the age-oldquestion is the book really
always better than the movies?
I'm Yuvia, an actress and booklover based out of New York City
, and today Orlando will bediscussing Rosemary's Baby by
Ira Levin and its 1968adaptation, Rosemary's Baby

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starring Mia Farrow.
That's right, folks, you heardme right.
Orlando will be your host fortoday's episode of Books vs
Movies.
Here's the thing I don't mindhorror.
It's not my favorite genre, butI don't mind it If it's like
super gory.
Not into it kind of grosses meout, but I can watch it.

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Anything dealing with demonsand the devil nope, I'm out.
It's going to give menightmares, I'm going to be
scared out of my mind, Can'thandle it.
So Orlando was like I've beenwanting to read the book and
I've been wanting to watch thatmovie, so I will do that episode
.
So thank you, Orlando, and Ihope you enjoy today's episode.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Thank you, yuvia, for that introduction and for
allowing me to be part of yourpodcast.
I'm really excited for thisepisode.
I'm also kind of nervous, so Imay be babbling on a lot and I'm
probably going to be pausingand doing some ums here and
there, as I just do one.
Anyway, I'm glad to be sharingthis space with the Books vs

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Movies podcast community.
I'm really excited to talkabout Rosemary's Baby.
This is a movie and a book thathave been on my wait list, I
guess, for so long.
When I read the Exorcist, Iturned it into the library and
the librarian was like youshould read Rosemary's Baby.
That one also really scared me,so I was like all right, let's

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do it.
So part of the reason why ittook me so long to watch the
movie and just getting theElephant in the Room out of the
way this is a Roman Polanski issomeone to not necessarily be
supported in any shape, way orform.

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So I always had a hard time andI don't want to stream it and
give him money.
I don't want to buy the movie,give him money.
So what I ended up doing waschecking out the DVD at the
library, because I that way, Idon't give him my money, but
also I give the library somemoney and some support.
If there's a movie that youneed to support, that you don't
want to support and you justwant to check out, I always

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recommend the libraries.
Yes, libraries are really goodfor books, but they are also
really good for movies.
There's a movie you've beenlooking for I can't find in any
streaming service?
Do a quick search in yourlibrary catalog.
Support libraries.
I think it's so important tosupport libraries right now.
So I just wanted to give ashout out to the New York Public
Library, because that's where Igot my movie from.

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So, yeah, I finally got to readthe book and watch the movie.
I think we can just go aheadand get on with it.
I do know Yuvia gives a spoileralert.
I'm going to do one now, justbecause I talk a lot and I'm
probably going to address thingsahead of time.
So I just wanted to go aheadand do so.
Another thing I wanted to justquickly get out of the way for,
I guess, a little triggerwarning for everybody who wants

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to read the book.
Yes, expect Satan, expectwitchcraft, but what I did
expect was the amount of racism,sexism, a little bit of
homophobia, a little bit of fatphobia.
This definitely seems to be abook of its time in that sense,
but I don't know.
Even for the late 60s, droppingthe N-word as casually as this

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author did, being a white manwas a little too casual for my
taste.
So when I first read that word,it was a little shocking for me
.
You could easily call a persona black man without having to
use the word N-E-G-R-O, likethere was just no need for that.
But that's just my take.
Just wanted to quickly touchbase on that.
So yeah, let's get started.

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All right, so what isRosemary's Baby?
Rosemary's Baby?
The movie is essentially aboutthis woman named Rosemary who
moves into these fancy newapartments.
She ends up making friends withthe neighbors who things kind
of start happening there.
She eventually does getpregnant and things unfold.

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And the book is about thiswoman named Rosemary and her
husband, guy, who move intothese new fancy apartments.
Basically it is the same thing,but I'm going to talk about the
differences here in a sec.
So let's start from thebeginning.
In the beginning of the book welearn about Rosemary and Guy.
You know they're a couple.
Guy is a working actor.

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He's, as far as we know, asuccessful actor.
He can at least pay the billsout of his acting career.
Rosemary we don't get a wholelot of what exactly she does,
which maybe she is astay-at-home mom but we do, in
these first chapters, startlearning a little bit more about
Rosemary.
Rosemary does come from afamily I believe it was Utah,

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maybe the wrong state.
Anyway, I don't have the bookwith me because I had to return
it to the library butessentially she comes from a
very, very Catholic family.
Now, her moving to New York didnot sit well with her Catholic
family and unfortunately thatled to them cutting all
communication with her.
She's kind of basically theblack sheep of the family.

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The parents want nothing to dowith her.
Only one of her brothers reallytalks to her, and even then
it's every here and then.
Uh, so essentially rosemary isisolated and on her own in new
york city.
Now they are applying to todifferent apartments because guy
, guy and rosemary are moving intogether.
Uh, rosemary has her eyes seton this beautiful building, the

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the Bramford.
The Bramford is the name of thebuilding.
Rosemary loves the Bramford.
She wants to move into theBramford, but it's a hard
building to get to.
They apply for this otherbuilding, they get in and
suddenly there's an openingavailable at the Bramford.
Their real estate agent letsthem know right away.
They go check it out.
They absolutely love it.

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Rosemary wants to move in andthat leads to them having to
break the lease.
Now in the movie what we get isessentially opening up, they're
viewing the apartment.
We don't get all that backstory.
We don't get anything else.
They're just there with thereal estate agent already
viewing the apartment.
Other than that, that scene isvery much what happens in the
book.
We jumped ahead that far in.

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So it's just really interestingto see just how fast-paced the
movie was, and we will get intoit.
Um, overall, I feel like themovie was just jumping from
place to place.
So, anywho, they they get thebuilding.
They are able to break thelease from the previous building
that they had signed down for.
They are now moving into whatis their dream apartment, or at

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least rosemary's dream apartment.
And it leads to one of aninteresting scene.
I even pointed this one out toyou, yeah, because the way it is
written.
It says we moved in, we didn'thave a building, we didn't have
furniture I'm paraphrasing, ofcourse.
We sit on the floor, we ate ourdinner on the floor, we made
love the the next day.
It just moves on like thatreally quickly and I thought

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that was really funny the way itwas written, while the movie is
actually a little worse.
They essentially are moved in,they're sitting on the floor,
they're eating and rosemary says, hey, let's make love.
And this leads to the weirdestundressing scene ever in the
movie.
Literally, guy just looks ather nods, starts undoing his
pants, she starts undoing herclothes in the most unsexiest

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way ever and I was like theysomehow made that line worse,
which I don't.
I don't know what the intentwas there.
I don't know the intent therewas to say that chemistry is not
exactly perfect between guy andRosemary, which leads me to
another point of conversation.
At this point, guy in the moviehas been not exactly nice, but

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he's just there, while in thebook he's already been kind of a
jerk.
You already see glimpses of himbeing a bit of a controlling
asshole.
He sorry for language, there'sgoing to be language.
I should probably say that it'shard for me to control my
language sometimes.
I'm sorry, I apologize, butanyway, guy is an asshole, he's
a bit controlling.
Even when rosemary wants tohave meet up with friends for

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lunch he he'll make snarkyremarks.
He's a bit of a jerk aboutthings and in the movie we we
don't really see that very much.
Now again, I want to point outthat at this point the movie is
very obviously really fast-paced, very jumpy like I know, people
nowadays make fun of how ourattention span is so short.

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Where we can, because of tiktok,we have a six second attention
span well, I don't know what theexcuse is for this movie then?
because this movie was jumpinglike from scene to scene like
nobody's business.
It was insane I was.
It was even a little bitjarring for me just how much it
was just jumping.
Now I want to briefly mentionone of the an important side
character here is this olderbritish man by the name of hutch

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.
Now, both in the book and inthe movie, when they've already
signed on, they do have a dinnerwith hutch um, in which they
start talking about the buildingthat they have, that they're
going to be moving into, andHutch is the one that basically
starts saying oh, that's acreepy ass building.
Don't you remember when thatguy got killed outside the hotel
?
Uh, two women died in there.

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There was a dead baby found inthe basement.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Uh, are you, sure you ?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
want to move into that building and, of course,
guy being the arrogant assholethat he is like, hutch just
likes talking out of his assNothing bad's gonna happen.
That does happen in both themovie and the book.
The book does linger on it alittle bit more, while the movie
just mentions it, moving on tothe next scene as it does
throughout the rest of the movie.
Going back to the book, becauseof everything that Hutch said

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about this building, wheneverRosemary has to go down into the
basement to do laundry, she isterrified.
She gets the creeps.
That's where, potentially, thebaby was found and as she's
walking with her clothes, she'slike unsettled.
She's like am I walking wherethat baby was found?
Uh, this is just so wrong, soso scary.
Um, in the movie it's just oh,she's in there doing laundry.

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But that is where we meetanother character by the name of
Terry.
Terry is revealed to be livingwith the next door neighbors to
Rosemary and Guy.
These are the Kastovitz.
Now Terry reveals that shebasically got picked up off the
street.
She's been a bit of a junkie.
She's been a bit homeless andthe Kastovitz gave her a home.

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They have basically beenparents to her, been a bit of a
junkie.
She's been a bit homeless andthe cast of its gave her a home.
They have basically beenparents to her.
It gives us a really sweetglimpse into who the cast of its
are.
Now, because of how creepy thebasement is, they kind of form a
little friendship and that'swhere rosemary and terry kind of
attach and say let's cometogether to this creepy basement
, that way we don't have to behere by ourselves and and that's
how a little relationship forms.

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Now we do get this in the movieAlso very fast-paced.
You don't really get thecreepiness of the basement.
They just say, oh, thisbasement is creepy, but you
don't really see that.
It's just they're in a basementdoing laundry.
Oh.
It's also important to notethat Terry does have a necklace
around her.
It's like this little ball, andthen she shows it to Rosemary

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and Rosemary is like, oh, itsmells kind of funky.
And she's like, yeah, it's thisthing called tennis root that
is inside this necklace.
I don't know, it does smellfunky, but it was very sweet of
the cast of it to give it to me.
It's a little important justbecause of what comes later.
Now, almost immediately aftermeeting them, guy and Rosemary
go out.
They're doing their thing andwhen they're coming back into

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their building, they know thatthere's a lot of cops.
They see a lot of policeactivity and they're like what's
going on.
And it is discovered that Terryessentially killed herself.
She jumped out of the window.
The book is very descriptive intelling us that basically half
her face is busted because shelanded on the side, and so
obviously Rosemary is very muchin shock.

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While in the shock, here comethe Kastovets.
This is the first time we areintroduced to them.
They're walking, the policedon't know who Terry is at all,
and that's when Rosemary saysshe was living with them, the
Kastovets.
And obviously the Kastovetsreact in shock to see that Terry
, who they've been taking careof, has been killed.
Now Roman, who is Mr Kastovitz,is a little bit more on the

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side of.
We should have expected this.
We did pick her off the streets.
We thought she was doing better, but ultimately things like
this happen, while, as Minnie,she's more.
Oh no, she was doing better.
There's just no reason why sheshould have done this.
Apparently, they find a suicide, the police found a suicide
note and they give it directlyto the cast of it, at which
point Rosemary just tells them.

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I just want you to know.
I met Terry.
She had nothing but good thingsto say about you two and I just
wanted you to know that sheloved you Happens both in the
book and the movie.
That scene is really spot on,even the half busted face.
I mean, the makeup is now alittle outdated but it works.
I did make a note here formyself.

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The acting is so cartoony,though, and that is one thing I
wanted to speak about, becauseat this point serious things are
starting to happen and theacting is so unserious, if
that's the right word.
But I don't know if that's justthe acting style of the era or
that really just that's what thedirector was going for at that
moment, but just felt like Ineeded to point that out.

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Rosemary starts having dreams.
In the book we have this dreamsequence where it's very clear
for us to understand.
You start seeing a little bitof Rosemary's Catholic guilt.
She starts having a nightmarewhere the nuns are yelling at
her for something, but she'skind of like sleep awake, where
she's also hearing the neighborsargue, which the neighbors are
the cast of it.
Also, to mention the way thatthe layout was split.

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They do talk about it in thebook and very briefly in the
movie.
These apartment rooms werebigger and at one point each one
was split in half.
So the other half of rosemary'sroom would be the cast of its
apartment room.
So that's why they can heareach other so much, uh.
But in this state of half sleep, half awake, she starts hearing
the cast of its.
Are you now again?
I can't, uh, quote you the thebook because I don't have it

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with me, but I remember in thebook it being a little bit
unclear as to what they werearguing, what, what was argument
, what was dream?
While re-watching it in themovie, it's very clear that
they're kind of discussing terry.
It seems that they did.
The hints that are given isthat terry was told beforehand
what they wanted to do to her,what they want to do with her,
which led to her suicide, andthat's mini kind of being, like

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I told you we shouldn't havetold her and now we have to find
someone else, kind of sort ofthing.
In the book it is very clearthat it is supposed to be a
dream that she's having.
However, in the movie, miaFarrow's eyes are completely
open.
So it was like are you dreaming?
Listening, I don't know what'sgoing on right now.
The only reason I know thatit's a dream is because I read
in the book that it's a dream.
But had I not read the book,I'd be very confused right now

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as to why there's none that'stalking, but it's Minnie's voice
.
So yeah, very, very interestingapproach there.
One thing I also did want to.
Another thing I wanted to pointout.
I keep saying one thing andclearly there's a lot of things
I want to point out.
Mrs Castavit in the book issupposed to be on the bigger
side.
Now, the only reason I bringthis up is because in the book

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it makes commentary on it.
The next day she goes to visitRosemary and they make a comment
on how the clothes she'swearing is not for a woman of
her size.
It got very fat, phobic, um, itgot a little uncomfortable to
read, but in the movie the womanplaying Minnie is not on the
big side at all.
She, she is a very skinny lady.
Not very skinny, but she, she'sa.
She's a thin lady, she's a thinwoman, so in which case her
clothes do not seem out of it.

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The only weirdness about herclothes is that it's a little
excessively colorful, but that'sabout it.
And I made a note here thatsays these edits Jeez, louise,
like I am not kidding when I saythat this movie moves way, way
too fast.
It's insane how we jump.
It just jumps from scene toscene to scene, I feel like, and
as a viewer, it doesn't giveyou time to really process what

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is happening so yeah,essentially after terry's death,
that's when the cast of it'srosemary was so kind to them.
Um, they invite them over fordinner.
At first guy is like I don'twant to do this charity work,
this feels like charity work, Idon't want to do this.
And ros Rosemary's like well, Ialready told Minnie that we
would go.
But it's okay, we don't have to.

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And this is one of the bigdifferences I felt in the book.
It's more of an issue.
Rosemary had already said toMinnie they can go.
And Guy's being kind of an againan asshole, being like I don't
want to go.
It's like fine, if you're goingto be like this about it, then
we'll go.
And Rosemary's like I'm notbeing anything about it.
He's like yes, you're sulkingabout it.
If you're going to be sulkingabout it, then let's just go.

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That's kind of like at least myinterpretation of the way it
was in the book.
It was an issue.
It was an issue In the movie.
It was like well, if you, okay,I mean, if you don't want to go
, we won't go.
And Guy's like no, but okay, Ishould do my charity work and go
visit these old people.
There was just not as muchtension there as it was in the

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book.
But anyway, they go, they havethis dinner.
That's when you get to know alittle bit more about Roman and
Minnie.
Roman is this very experiencedold man who's basically traveled
the world.
Yeah, you get to know theirstory after their dinner, which
in the book you do get thedescription that the dinner
that's being cooked, the steakis very dry, the food is not

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that great.
Guy asked for seconds andRosemary's internal monologue is
kind of like I can't believehe's asking for seconds because
this food sucks.
You obviously don't get that atall in the book.
I think you get a mentioningAfter the dinner.
But anyway, after they eat,rosemary goes to help out Minnie
with the dishes while the mengo have their men talk.

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So once Minnie and Rosemary aredone with the dishes they go to
Roman and Guy, or like Minnieis like I hope you're not
talking his ear off and Guy'slike no, I found this very
interesting.
I love this Blah, blah, blah,blah.
In the movie, though we do get alittle easter egg a little, a
little glimpse or foreshadowingin which, when they enter the

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room, guy and rome and I are ina very serious tone and
immediately just turn and smile.
It was a very subtle thing thatI noticed.
I was like, oh, that was cool.
Again spoilers, because I'malready spoiling that some
shit's about to happen.
But yeah, I just found thatthat little scene, that little
touch was very, very cool now inthe book.
If guy was not an assholealready, this is where he goes

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even further, like he.
He becomes very dismissive torosemary and very defensive
towards the cast of it.
But in the movie this is whereyou kind of see a switch in guy,
um, where it's like you've beenkind of nice, which I don't
know.
I don't know which is better togo from asshole to bigger
asshole or from somewhat nice.
So now you're being kind ofdismissive, kind of being a jerk

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.
But that's where you startseeing a difference in Guy.
After their dinner, at one pointGuy tells Rosemary let's have a
baby.
Now in the book, Guy sayinglet's have a baby is very
important because we alreadyknow at this point that Rosemary
has been wanting to be a mombut Guy has not wanted to have
kids.
This has been an issue withintheir relationship.

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They've had long conversationsabout it.
So for Guy to say I want a babyis huge, it is major, and
Rosemary is like I doesn't evenknow how to react.
She's so happy, she's ecstatic,they're finally going to try
and have kids.
In the movie we do not know anyof this backstory.
So guys saying let's have ababy, it's kind of like, okay,
yeah, rosemary, mia Farrow stillhas that amazing reaction of

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like, oh, my God, yes, let'shave the baby.
I'm so happy.
But as an audience, you're kindof like, okay, so have the baby
.
I don't, I don't understandwhat the big deal is.
I think I do feel like weneeded to understand that guy
did not want to have baby andthat that is the importance of
that switch, especially afterhaving had that meeting with the
cast of it.
When they finally decide to havea baby, they make a big, big

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thing out of it.
They're gonna have a nicedinner.
They get nice and ready, which,of course, after the nice
dinner, the idea is that they'resupposed to go to their bedroom
and make this said baby.
Well, while they're having thedinner, mini comes and knocks on
the door and guy goes to answer.
And it's funny because you dohave rosemary being like please
don't ruin this night.
I want to make this baby, don'truin this this night.

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But she leaves, minnie leavesand Guy walks in.
He's like she brought us somechocolate mousse.
And Rosemary's like oh, thatwould be great for our dessert.
And I'm like what the hell?
I'd be weirded out if theneighbor just brought me mousse
on the day that I'm after mydinner.
I don't know, that was just alittle weird.
I'd be a little weirded out.
But anywho, uh, she startshaving the mousse and she's like

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it tastes a little chalky.
And guy is like I don't knowwhat you're talking about.
It's fine.
No, it's a little chalky, Idon't want to eat it.
And again, this is where westart seeing guy's manipulative,
asshole side, because he startsbeing like I just think it's
very rude of you to not want toeat it when they brought it.
And rosemary's like fine, okay,I didn't realize this was going
to be a big deal.
Fine, I'll eat it.
Look, I'm eating it.

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And at one point Guy turns away,she scoops up the rest of the
moves into her napkin and shetosses it.
That does happen in the book aswell.
I will say in the movie Iunderstood a little bit better
than why Rosemary is half awakefor the later scene, but I will.

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I will say that in the bookthat that scene felt a little
more intense once again.
The that fight felt moreintense than in the movie.
In the movie it kind of getssolved within seconds, um, and
in the book it does linger on itand you do get to see a little
bit more of guy's manipulativeside.
As you could suspect, somethingwas in the moose which makes
rosemary start getting dizzy.
She starts to pass out and she,she knocks out.
Essentially, a guy has to carryher to bed.

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No, I did want to say that inthe book it is very clear that
they have both been drinking.
So rosemary does not know thatit's the moose, she thinks that
she's just drank way too much.
And the guy, being the assholethat he is, says you've been
drinking too much, see, see,this is why you you are a
lightweight, you should not bedrinking that much.
Well, in the, it seems, it'svery painfully obvious it's the

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moose, it's not the alcohol.
We don't even know that they'vebeen drinking, we know it's the
moose, but anyway, she knocksout, she gets carried to the
bedroom where a guy starts toundress her and she's like well,
why are you undressing?
Why are you undressing me?
You know, just so you can bemore comfortable.
Because she did not have themoose, she was not fully knocked
out.
So she's in a half dream stateand there's this really

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interesting dream sequence whereshe sees JFK and she's sailing
out in a boat, but it's alsoblending in with the cast of it
are at the boat, but then nowshe's at a party and everybody's
naked.
That whole sequence is fairlyaccurate.
It's fairly to the book.
In the movie I did kind of getmore understanding that because
she did not finish the entiretyof the movie.

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That's why she's half awake Inthis dream sequence.
She dreams that she is havingsex with Guy and as she's having
sex with Guy, suddenly shelooks up and his eyes are yellow
.
This does happen in the movie,but I do want to point out that
the book is a little bit moredescriptive as to how the sex is
, to the point where shedescribes how much bigger he is

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than normal and how much moreferal he is being than normal.
Obviously that I don't know howyou could do that in the in the
movie, but I just thought itwas interesting that she's
feeling the differencesautomatically and then when she
looks into his eyes she sees howyellow they are.
That's where she startsfreaking out and then she gets
her face covered by someone.

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Now in the movie it does make itseem like she was having sex
with Guy and that he turned intoa demon.
But in the book it is very muchclear that she is missing
things and it's actuallysomething else not Guy that's
actually having sex with her thenext day.
Obviously she's in a state of adream.
She eventually knocks out afterthis whole sex situation.

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She wakes up the next day.
She realizes she's naked, she'sgot scratches on her and Guy's
kind of like just sitting theresmoking a cigarette.
Now this freaks her outobviously, as I feel like it
would any woman, because herhusband just had sex with her
while she was unconscious.
She very much says why did youhave sex with me if I was not

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awake?
And he says well, I just didn'twant to miss out on baby night
that's how he calls it babynight.
And she's still like well, Ijust can't believe you had sex
with me.
And he says oh, it was fine, itwas kind of fun.
In a necrophile sort of way.
This line is said both in thebook and in the movie.
Differences in the book he saysthat and you immediately get
Rosemary's internal monologue ofwhat the fuck did he just say?

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Did he just say necrophile sortof way?
Who fucking says that?
And in the movie it's just like, well, I just can't believe I
was asleep.
He's like, oh, I was fine.
And then moves on, moves along.
That is such a weird thing tosay and I think you get so much
more justice out of that in thebook.
Because who says that?

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First of all, who has sex withtheir unconscious wife?
Second, who follows it up bysaying it was fun.
In a necrophile sort of way.
If you don't think guy is apiece of shit, I think by now
you should feel guy is a grade apiece of shit.
Anyway, in the movie it's kindof just brushed off.
In the book you do get a littlebit more of her and just how she

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feels essentially abused.
She was abused by her ownhusband.
After this moment in the bookmore, more things happen.
They're small things, they'reminor things, so I I can't
exactly fault them for not beingin the movie, but what you do
start seeing a lot is that guycan't even look at her guy.
They start having issues withtheir relationships, one
painfully obvious.

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He had sex with her while shewas unconscious.
But now he can't even look ather, he can't even make eye
contact with her.
You know, in the movie it justmoves so fast and you have a
scene in which rosemary's likeyou don't even look at me
anymore and we're like, well, wehaven't seen that happen.
Why.
Why is she bringing that up?
So if it weren't for the factthat I had read the book, I
wouldn't have known.
So anyway, he, he, she goes tothe doctor.

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She's getting her test done.
It's so funny because in themovie, in the scene with the
doctor, there is a very randomline that says I went to go see
the fantastics with guy, whichis like she dropped that like
out of nowhere in the book.
That is important.
In the book we don't see that.
She doesn't say that line tothe doctor.
What we do see is that they did.
There is a scene in which theygo see the fantastics.

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The reason why that is soimportant is because it leads to
later reveals In the book.
In the movie we never know theimportance of having gone to see
the Fantastics.
So I don't know why theyincluded that line in any way.
In my mind.
I was like, oh, they includedthat line there awkwardly, but
they included that there becauseof the spoiler that's supposed
to happen ahead.

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No, they completely forgotabout including the Fantastics.
Basically, I mean I'll talk alittle bit more about that later
, but anyway, the FantasticsHaving to go and see the
Fantastics is very important.
In the book you do start seeingthat Guy is getting a little bit
more attached to the cast of it, but you kind of get a feeling
that he's like he's just, henever.
But you kind of get a feelingthat he's like, oh, he's just,

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he never really grew up attachedto his parents, so now he's
attaching himself to these olderpeople.
That's, that's kind of cute.
Well, as in the movie, it doesfeel painfully obvious that he's
allied with them in some.
Some shorter way.
The doctor's results come in.
She is pregnant.
Now she is going to this guynamed Dr Hill and Dr Hill gives

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her a phone call.
She's like hey, good news,you're pregnant.
Um, I do want you to come in todo some blood work though.
And she's like why more bloodwork was?
Didn't you get all the bloodwork?
He's like yeah, yeah, we did.
Is something wrong with my baby?
Well, not necessarily, but um,can you please come in so we can
do?
I'm pregnant and Guy's like, ohmy God, we're going to have a
baby.
Let me go tell the cast of itand she's like what?

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No, I don't want people to know,it's too early to know.
Yeah, but they're old and youknow I had talked to them about
how we want to have a baby.
Let me just tell them.
And Rosemary's like okay, sure.

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So he goes, he tells the cast ofit and this leads me to a huge
question was it that normal todrink in the 60s while you were
pregnant?
Because both in the movie andin the book the cast of it bring
a champagne to celebrate thatshe's pregnant and they give her
her glass of champagne.
I don't know.
There was a commentary beingmade like maybe the devil drinks
, so devil, have some champagne,devil's baby have some
champagne.
Or that really was a 60s thing,because they both in the book.

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More so, in the book it is socasual how much she drinks while
being pregnant.
And there's even a party scenelater on where a guy is like are
you drinking too much?
No, I'm just.
This is my only drink I have.
My understanding of pregnancyis like zero drink, no alcohol
whatsoever.
But I mean what do I know?
Somebody please tell me wasthis normal in the 60s to have a
drink while pregnant?

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But anyway, they celebrate withsome champagne.
So, yeah, that is where westart with Rosemary being
pregnant.
Now the cast of it are likewho's your doctor?
Dr Hill, no, no, no, no, no.
You're going to start goingwith our doctors.
Doctor says I have his nameSaperstein.
Dr Saperstein, you're going tostart going with Dr Saperstein,

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he's the best, he's one of thebest, and I guess that they've
heard of this doctor.
And Rosemary's like I can'tafford that.
Doctor Minnie is like no, no,no, he's our friend, he's going
to consult you for a veryreduced price.
Do you not worry about this?
Uh, he is the best and we wantyou to have the best.
He's gonna get you a deal.
So she changes from dr hill.
She never goes to dr hill toget that blood work because she

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starts seeing dr zappersteininstead.
Now, I made a note here formyself.
At this point, you know, we,the cast of us, start becoming
very intrusive.
Essentially, they're worriedabout Rosemary, in fact, to the
point where Dr Zaperstein, hestarts telling Rosemary you know
what?
Do not talk to your friends, donot read a book about pregnancy
.
The biggest mistake women do isread about pregnancy and talk

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to their friends.
Every pregnancy is differentand Rosemary being the first
time mother, she's like oh OK.
I guess you're right.
And he's like nope what, whatI'm gonna do is I I know the
cast of it's, I'm gonna make arecipe that mini's gonna make
for you.
She's gonna make you amilkshake every morning that you
are gonna drink.
Rosemary and her naiveness islike okay, it is very important

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to note at this point.
Rosemary is by herself.
She is isolated.
She has nobody.
Her family does not talk to her.
She does have her friends, butGuy is so against going out with
friends that he doesn't.
She doesn't see them, shedoesn't.
She's basically been isolated,which anybody who reads about
abusive relationships know.
That is one of the biggestthings that abusers do.

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They isolate the women andbasically leave them with no one
.
That is something that I feelwas very missing from from the
movie.
Uh, we kind of just get thatthe cast of us are becoming
intrusive.
We just get that guys being alittle manipulative, but we're
missing.
I feel like that is such animportant part of rosemary's
character that I wish was keptin in the movie.

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So, yeah, uh, we continue on.
So rosemary is now pregnant, um,but she is not having exactly a
healthy pregnancy.
She's getting a lot of pain, aninsane amount of pain and every
time she approaches it to drsapperstein he's like that's
normal, it's gonna go away,don't worry, uh.
Which is frustrating becauseshe's like I'm in in so much

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pain.
So she invites Hutch over theBritish man, the British lovely
man who's a really good friendAlso good to point out in the
book.
We know more about theirrelationship.
They've been friends becausehe's essentially that father
figure that kind of helped herout in her move to New York
because her family just stoppedgiving a damn about her.
So Hutch is very important toher.
Hutch walks into the apartment,he goes what the hell is wrong

(31:34):
with you?
And she's like well, you looksick, you look thin, you don't
look healthy.
And she's like well, hutch,it's because I'm pregnant.
Pregnant women get fat, notskinny.
And that's the conversation.
And that's when Hutch startsfeeling like something's not
right with Rosemary here.
Oh, I should probably mentionanother thing.
That got gifted to rosemary wasthat same ball necklace, um,
that terry had before she wasshe died, and now it was gifted

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to to rosemary.
Rosemary doesn't like itbecause it smells bad and it
leads to a scene of guy beinglike well, if you accepted a
gift, I think you should wear it.
It's kind of rude of you toaccept the gift and not wear it.
He, he's a total fucking toolbag.
But anyway, she is now wearingthis necklace and Hutch notices
and he's like oh, it's got afunky smell.
And she's like yeah, it'stennis root.

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And he's like I've never heardof that thing.
We basically understand thatHutch is one of those people
that have read a lot, know a lot.
He's like do you, do you needanything?
Do you need help?
Oh, you have guests over.
Let me introduce myself.

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And that's when hodge and romanmeet.
Um, they seem to get along verywell.
Eventually, guy shows up, uh,roman leaves.
And then eventually guy showsup, which rosemary's like why,
why are you here?
You're supposed to be in themiddle of rehearsal.
And guy's like oh, we had aquick break because they had to
do hi, hutch, how are you?

Speaker 1 (32:55):
and he has this quick conversation with hutch.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
They chill for a bit and hutch eventually has to
leave.
He's like oh, I'm missing aglove.
Is my glove somewhere in there?
I don't know?
No, your glove is not anywhere.
Oh, I may have dropped it alongthe way.
I'll go see if I can still findit.
And hutch leaves.
And then guy is immediately likeoh, I have to head out, I have
to head out and then he leaves.
I also feel like I missed thepart where guy is an actor.
He has been fighting for a partafter meeting with the cast of

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it, after all this stuff, he hadlost a part to an actor, um,
before already.
Uh, he, donald bomb guard, wasessentially his rival.
He was getting the part afterthe meeting with the cast of
it's, after things, after theimpregnation of rosemary,
suddenly donald bomb guardmysteriously goes blind and they
have to give the part to thenext in line who is guy.

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Now guy is becoming a verysuccessful actor because of this
part.
It's one of those things whereit's like the play is crap, but
the part is so good that isgiving him success.
So at this point guy is areally hard working actor, very
successful.
His career is kicking off,coincidentally.
So, yeah, we had that meetingwith with hutch the next day and

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not the next day.
That evening hutch callsrosemary and she's he's like we
need to meet.
She's like why?
Why can you get out?
We need to meet in person.
Um, sure, and that's where itgets left off.
Uh, this is another momentwhere guy is kind of showing off
.
That's he.
He's an easy on something.
Uh, because he doesn't?
he at first did not want hutchto speak to rosemary, but

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eventually he gives in againmore detailed in the book that
it is in the movie, but thisthing does happen in both.
Now the next day, rosemary goesto try to meet Hutch at the
meeting place that they agreeupon and she's waiting and she's
still in a shit ton of painbecause this pain that Dr
Saperstein said would go awayhas not gone away.
She is still consistently inpain, but she's out there

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waiting for Hutch.
Hutch doesn't show.
She's like this is not normalfor Hutch.
She's getting a little weirdout.
Finally, she goes into thebuilding and she's like is there
a phone I can use?
And that's when she calls whatis supposed to be Hutch's phone
line, and that is that's whereshe learns.
She calls Hutch's number.
This lady picks up and she'slike oh, unfortunately Hutch is

(35:10):
in a coma.
And Rosemary's like what?
And she's like, yeah, lastnight he fell ill and he has
been in a coma.
So, yeah, that is a major shock.
Hutch really needed to talk toher, really needed to see her,
and now he is in a coma.
So Rosemary does not know whatHutch needed to have said.
Oh, another point I forgot tobring up at one point.

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Uh, rosemary changes herhairstyle.
Um, she cuts her hair veryshort and guide literally says
don't tell me that you paid forthat.
In the book.
It's a huge thing, obviously,obviously, if you came home with
a new hairdo and said and Isaid, don't tell me you paid for
that, oh, oh, no, oh, thingswould not end well for me.
In the movie she mainly justshe's like don't tell me you

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paid for that and she moves tothe next conversation.
It's like I'm in pain.
A lot of these things just gotcompletely glossed over.
I do wish they had lingered alittle bit more on just how much
of an asshole guy is.
So anyway, at this point hutchis in a coma, which is very
important once again, becausethis was the only person she had
.
She has nobody Outside of Guy.

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She has nobody, and now the oneperson she had is in a coma.
She cannot reach out to them inany way.
Very, very important.
Now things progress.
Rosemary is still alive in anexcessive amount of pain.
She is not doing well in thispregnancy and she's very much
struggling and she's starting tofeel a little weird about

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Minnie and Roman and the way Guyis being.
Guy is being an asshole.
So what she decides is shewants to have a party.
She wants a party where shewants to gather just her friends
, not the cast of it.
They cannot be involved in anyway.
She's also noticing that sheeats raw meat, like she has a
craving for raw meat, um, andthat that is the only thing she

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wants to eat.
So she's like this pregnancy isnot normal.
I want to see my friends.
And so she has this party.
Uh, which, of course, guy islike are you sure we should be
hosting a party?
It doesn't seem like the rightthing to do.
Well then, I'm gonna have minicome over, and rosemary's like
set to her gun.
She's like no, they will not behere, um, and even as she's
prepping for this party, uh,mini's like I think I should be

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here and rosemary's like no, youwill not be here, I don't need
you here, I don't want you.
And that's where we finally seerosemary's friends outside of
Guy, in the movie, in the book.
We already know that thesefriends exist.
They're talked about Again.
Guy is not very, he doesn'tcare about her friends, he
doesn't like her friends.
But when these friends see her,they are instantly concerned

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because she looks unhealthy, shelooks unwell, she is very, very
thin.
So the friends are very, veryconcerned about how thin
Rosemary looks.
And they're like who are youseeing?
Dr Saperstein.
He's supposed to be the best.
Is he the best?
Because he looks like he'storturing you.
Is he not concerned?
Well, he says the pain will goaway.
How long have you had this pain?

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Since November?
This party is already inJanuary.
They're like you've been havingpain since November.
What is wrong with this man?
No, you need to go see anotherdoctor.
You need to get a secondopinion.
Rosemary, you don't look great,you should not be having pain.
She's like well, the doctorsaid everybody's pregnancy with
them.
No, no, no.
At this point Guy is trying to.
He sees that she's breakingdown.

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He tries to get into thekitchen.
The friends are like no, nosees that she's breaking down,
he tries to get into the kitchen.
The friends are like no, no,this is girl time.
And guy's like no, but I needto watch.
No, no, this is girl time.
And they push him out of theway and they essentially lock
him out of the kitchen and so,like the four girlfriends and
rosemary are supposed to areable to have this conversation
with her in peace, in private.
So, whatever uh party ends, theyleave.
Rosemary's like I'm not gonnasee dr zappersine, I'm gonna go

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get a second opinion from drhill.
And guy loses his shit.
He's like is that what thosebitches were telling you?
And of course, rosemary's likethose bitches excuse me, you're
talking about my friends.
Now again in the book it's moreintense and then it's more of a
fight.
It's like these are my friendsthat you just called bitches.
And he, he, he doubles down andhe's like those bitches don't
know what they're, just likethese are my friends you're

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talking about.
In the movie is she's more likethose are my friends.
It's like very subtle, veryquiet uh yeah, so, but that
anyway, that happens.
But as they're arguing and guyis like no, you need to go, dr
saperstein, it would beinsulting to him if you go to dr
hill instead.
You know being guy, the assholethat he is Suddenly her pain

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stops and she's like the pain isgone.
And of course Guy's like whathave you done differently?
Well, I stopped taking minishakes, I've been doing my own
thing instead.
Well, what has been in thosethings?
It doesn't matter.
The pain is gone.
And then she feels her belly.
He's like he's moving, comefeel it.

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And then, uh, she in in the book.
It's two very, very funny,slight differences.
Uh, but in the book guy doesn'teven let her, uh, put his hand
on the belly.
He's like no, no, no, I, Ican't.
And then he walks away.
Um, in the movie she grabs hishand, puts it on her, puts his
hand on her belly.
He feels a kick and he freaksout.
He freaks out.
He's like no, no, uh, okay,okay.
Uh, that's weird.
That's weird to me.
I like the book version betterbecause guy's a bitch, he's a

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little coward.
Knowing that he wouldn't evendo so to me is a little bit
stronger.
Um, in the movie it's likesomething's feeling a baby kick
for the first time can feelweird.
Um, so I do understand areaction of like, oh, that was
kind of nasty.
So to me it's like in the movie.
I was like, oh, that's not toofar-fetched of a reaction, while

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in the book, refusing to eventouch your own baby
quote-unquote is stronger.
Um, so I I did like that partin the book a little bit better.
Um, so, yeah, anyway.
Um soon after the pain goes away, though, though, rosemary
receives a phone call where sheis told that Hutch has
unfortunately passed away.
This happens a little bit after, so backtracking a little bit

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After the party.
The pain's gone away, she'shappy, things are getting better
.
She starts decorating thenursery, she becomes a lot more
livelier, and then she gets thephone call from Hutch about
Hutch, and in the movie shestarts to feel guilty because
she never went to go see Hutch.
Now, in the book she did visitHutch often, but she stops

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visiting Hutch after her paingoes away.
So she still feels guilty, butshe feels guilty for not
visiting him after her pain wentaway.
She wasn't so much pain thather pain went away.
She wasn't so much pain thatwhen it went away she completely
had forgotten about hutch, um,and that makes her feel so
guilty about it that that shestarts feeling bad about herself
.
So again, slight differencesthere, um, not major, but I feel

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like it.
It makes a difference to whothe characters were, because
hutch really was important toher and I feel like you get a
little bit more of that in thebook by her visiting as often as
she did.
So when Hutch dies, the ladythat's been speaking to her over
the phone I forget her name,but she's a very minor character
.
Essentially, at the day of thefuneral she hands her a book and

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she's like Hutch had a littlemoment of clarity.
He in fact thought it was stillthe next day when he was
supposed to meet you.
He had a moment of clarity.
He gave me the book andinsisted that I give you this
book, and then he passed awayand Rosemary takes the book.
It's in a package, so she takesthe book and when the lady

(42:26):
gives her the book, she alsotells her.
He also said that the name wasan anagram.
I don't know what that meant.
Again, this was like a littleminute of clarity for him, but
he may have been delusional, wedon't know.
He unfortunately just died soonafter that.
So all Rosemary gets is a bookand a clue that it is an anagram
.
That's it.
That's all she gets Now.

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This is another slightdifference, as far as I can
recall In the book.
Going to Hutch's funeral.
She arrives, she says hi toHutch's family, his daughters,
she finally meets this lady thatshe's been talking to over the
phone and it kind of getsrevealed that her and Hutch had
a thing going on which makesRosemary happy that he had
somebody, because she thoughtthat Hutch was basically a
single old man at this point Inthe movie.

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For whatever reason, they madeher arrive late and that she's
running late.
And so this lady kind of justgives her the book and leaves
because her car is leaving.
I don't know, it was a weirdaddition that did nothing.
It did nothing other thancontinue making this movie much
more fast-paced than it needs tobe.
So, yeah, yeah, that happened,uh.
So she gets the book and sheopens the book and discovers

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that it's a book aboutwitchcraft and she's, as she's
flipping through the pages, shenotices that some of the things
are marked out, some of thethings are highlighted, and that
that's when she pulls out apiece of scrabble.
She puts the title of the book,she tries doing anagram.
She like nothing's making anysense, maybe Hutch was losing
his shit.
Now when she flips the page,she realizes that Hutch had

(43:55):
marked a page about a specificwitch.
Now this witch is the one thathad gotten killed in front of
the building that they'recurrently living in.
That Hutch had told them thestory before they had moved in.
So she gets that person's name.
She moves the words around andrealize that that spells out
roman cast of it.

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The, the son is of this witch,is roman cast of it, who would
be steve.
I forgot the name.
Anyway, he is the son of thiswitch leader that had gotten
killed in front of the building.
And so that's when she startsfreaking out.
She's like, oh my god, they'reall witches.
And as she continues to readshe gets the idea that witches

(44:36):
want your baby.
Essentially.
Now, all of this does happen inboth the movie and the book,
though in the book you get moreof her internal dialogue.
You get more about her piecingthe pieces together.
In the movie you're just kindof watching her play Scrabble
and you're like, okay, what'sshe doing?
In the book you get more of thedetails as to how she's coming
to the conclusions that she'sgetting to, which I felt were

(44:58):
very important.
Um, now you, eventually.
She eventually gets to the pointwhere she starts realizing
making the connecting the pieces, uh, of Guy's involvement.
She, referring back to thefantastic, she remembers when
they went to go get go to thefantastics.
Uh, a certain person had giventhem the tickets.
While she ran, runs into thisperson, just casually, runs into

(45:19):
them.
She's like oh, thank you forgiving us these tickets to the
fantastics.
And the person's like I didn'tgive you tickets.
No, yes, guy told me.
It's like no guy must have beenwrong, because I did, because I
wouldn't give anybody ticketsto the Fantastics, something
along those lines.
And that's when she startsconnecting the pieces that Guy
is in on this, because the daythey went into the Fantastics it
would have coincided with a daythat started a lot of Guy's

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involvement with the cast of it.
So, yeah, that's when shestarts getting suspicious of him
.
She makes the connection thatafter they got together with the
cast of it.
So, yeah, that's when shestarts getting suspicious of him
.
She makes the connection thatafter they got together with the
cast of it, that's when,suddenly, his career started
booming and that's when sheremembers about Donald Baumgart.
So she gives a call to DonaldBaumgart to basically check in

(46:06):
on him and be like I'm sorry youwent blind.
And of course Donald Baumgart'sa little like okay, I'm happy
for you.
You have, your husband has theroles.
I don't know why you're coming.
She's like I did want tosincerely apologize.
Now I noticed that my husbandhas one of your ties and I was
like, yeah, we exchanged ties.
I didn't think it was a bigdeal.
I hope it's not a big deal deal.

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And she's like, no, no, it'snot a big deal.
Uh, but in the book that's inthe movie they just kind of
leave it at that and thatconversation in the movie seems
very heartless.
Um, I would put it heart as asthat.
It seems very heartless fromrosemary, uh, while in the book
she's very sincerely apologetic,um, but you also start seeing
her, the gears in her head, turnof reading in the book that you
know what one of the curses isyou take somebody's clothes and

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that's how you're able to cursethem.
And she makes the connectionthat, um, this guy, donald, uh,
exchanged ties with guy andthat's how they were able to do
a blind curse on him of somesort hutch before he left
rosemary's apartment couldn'tfind his glove.
The next day is when he goesinto a coma.
So she thinks maybe guy tookhis glove, and that she starts

(47:13):
connecting all of these piecesin the movie.
It's just dialogue.
They mentioned oh, my husbandhas your tie.
Yeah, we exchanged them, that'sit.
We don't see the gears churningin her head to connect all the
pieces and I think that was alittle frustrating for me to
watch that in the movie, knowingI know what the answer is
because I read the book.
Whoever's watching the moviewithout having read the book has

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no idea what any of that means.
So I was getting a littlefrustrated there.
So, yeah, that those littledetails were were were really
missing.
So, uh, she decides to go to, uh, dr saperstein.
She packs her bag.
She's like I cannot trust thekestovitz, I cannot trust my own
husband.
I'm going to dr saperstein.
She packs her bag.
She's like I cannot trust thekestovitz, I cannot trust my own
husband.
I'm going to dr saperstein now.
She goes to his office and goesto a reception.

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Like I need to go in.
She's like okay, you, there'stwo other ladies before you.
Is there something wrong, likeno, I just need to talk to him,
um.
And then she sits down.
Oh, I should mention, beforegoing into the doctor's office
she had ripped the necklace offand thrown it down the drain,
down the drain on the street,one of those sewer thingies.
So when she sits down at theoffice the nurse is like you
smell pretty today.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Oh, thank you.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
You're so lovely.
Yeah, you don't have that usualbitter smell.
Dr Saperstein has a similarsmell sometimes and that's when
Rosemary clicks.
She's like what?
He's he's like yeah, I don'tknow if it's a cologne or
perfume, but I'm guessing youdidn't notice because you were
smelling the same smell on youand that's when rosemary's like
okay, and then she casuallyleaves the office.
She's like my husband's answers,I gotta go, and she basically

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takes off.
Um, this does happen in boththe book and the movie.
Um, in the movie she goes intoa phone booth, um, and she
starts freaking out and shetries.
She's calling dr hill and she'slike I need to see you right
away.
It is an emergency.
Um, dr hill, it is an emergency, please, please, see me tonight
.
A little bit that is missingabout that in the again, it's

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just the little details in thebook.
She gets into the phone booth,she panics, she calls dr hill
and as she's waiting for thisphone call, she makes the
realization why am I on thephone booth?
She panics, she calls Dr Hilland as she's waiting for this
phone call, she makes therealization why am I on the
phone booth that's right acrossthe street from Dr Saperstein's
office.
He's going to come here, he'sgoing to find me.
I screwed up, but now that I'vecalled Dr Hill, he's going to
call me back to this specificphone booth.

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So there's this whole panicgoing on.
We're in the book, you're tense.
In the movie you're just likewell, I guess we're waiting for
Dr Hill to call her back andthat's it.
There's no rush, there's nourgency there, which sucks.
So Dr Hill agrees to see her.
She essentially tells himeverything the witchcraft thing,
her suspicion of her husband,her suspicion of the cast of it,

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and, oddly enough, dr Hillseems to be in agreement with
her bits.
And, oddly enough, dr hillseems to be in agreement with
her.
He takes her to a room and hesays you wait right here, you're
not going crazy.
People are weird, they do weirdthings.
It's okay.
But when he comes back to goshe, she lays down, she knocks
out because she hasn't slept,she's stressed out.
When she wakes up, dr hillenters, followed by saperstein

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and Guy.
Now I do want to point out oneinstance in the movie that I did
love.
Dr Hill genuinely believes heruntil she says Dr Saperstein.
Once she mentions Dr Saperstein, the actor had this reaction of
oh, you're lying, it wouldn'tbe Dr Saperstein.
It's such a subtle actingchoice, but it was such a strong

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choice for me, because in thebook I was very much like why
would dr hill just turn her inlike that, like sure, maybe she
thinks she's correct, he thinksshe's crazy, maybe he just told
her he believed her because youknow he wanted her to calm down
and relax.
I get all that, but it stillfelt like out of left field for
him to just okay, I'm gonna turnyou into your husband and this

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doctor.
Well, as in the movie, becauseof that specific acting choice,
you do get the idea that it was.
It was it's doctor's loyalty,essentially.
Uh, dr zephyrstein isconsidered to be one of the
greatest doctors in the city anddr hill hears his name and it's
like, okay, any other doctor Iwould have believed you, but not
not Dr Saperstein.

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That guy could do no wrong.
He's my homeboy.
So, anyway, dr Saperstein andguy arrive to take her.
It's funny because the sameactor that made a great acting
choice follows it with a weirdacting choice when he's mad,
dogging Rosemary the entire timeshe's leaving this office.
I was like what are you doing,bro?
Like why are you so mad at her?

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Do you like Dr Saperstein thatmuch?
What the fuck?
That was a weird choice.
I do want to note that anothercool thing that we got to see in
the movie, in the book you knowDr Saperstein arrives and he's
in control.
You know he's the one that'slike you're coming with us,

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we're taking you back to yourhome and you're gonna stay at
home.
In the book you get to, in themovie you get a visual guy
cannot even look at rosemary andhe is terrified of dr
saperstein.
And that's when you're like oh,you just a little bitch, aren't
you?
Fuck you, guy, mr, I'm incontrol.
You do as I say, you're just alittle ass bitch.
So that was really really nicemoment to see in the movie.

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So anyway, they take her back tothe apartment building.
They're gonna get on theelevator and Rosemary pretends
like she dropped her money.
Now all of the men, includingthe elevator, the elevator kid
go to pick up the money and indoing so she runs, grabs the
elevator.
It's one of them, manualelevators, so she has a hard
time, but she still gets to herfloor.

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She runs into her apartment andshe barricades herself inside
her apartment thinking she issafe.
Now, when she goes to make aphone call in the book, as far
as I remember, she makes thephone call In the book.
As far as I remember, she makesthe phone call.
Next thing she knows DrSaperstein is inside with Guy
and two other men.
That she doesn't realize howthey got in.
It later becomes revealed thatthere is a closet.

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There is a closet, that isfunny.
The first tenant had blockedoff with a cabinet but now that
closet was available, thatcloset had the wall connecting
the two apartments.
But in the movie, as she's onthe phone trying to call someone
, these men, in the most comicalway, do a little sneaky, sneaky
walk behind her and I was likethat was so funny, I was

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laughing my ass off and I waslike I don't think that was
meant to be funny.
I think we were supposed to bescared for her because how did
this man come in?
But the way they walked was sofunny that I could, I couldn't
help but laugh.
So, yeah, yeah, later on, uh,she makes the connections like
they uh basically drug her, um,and just they, they knock her

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out and she starts going intolabor, she's gonna have the baby
and essentially where, whereshe's uh kind of half in this
half dreamy, half drug state iswhen she kind of starts piecing
even more stuff together.
One of the dreams that shestarts remembering is being slid
, being carried when she wasdrugged by a guy, with the

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chocolate mousse being carriedthrough the closet, uh.
So that's kind of how she makesthe connection that, um, that
they were using, how she makesthe connection that they were
using that closet was theconnection between the two.
So, anyway, she has the babyand she wakes up.
She's like in the book.
She's like where's my baby,what the hell?
In the movie, for whateverreason, she's suddenly like, oh,

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where's my baby, is everythingokay?
So I'm like I don't think shewould react after all the fears
that she's had, um, this covenis after her baby, I don't think
she'd be that normal.
Well, dr saperstein says I'msorry the baby died.
Uh, were we in a hospital Iwould have been able to save him
.
But you know, because of you wehad to birth your baby here and

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the umbilical cord wrappedaround his neck, he's dead.
So obviously that's gonnadepress anybody.
But this I'm gonna call thiscoven.
Uh, has somebody watchingrosemary 24 7?
They don't want to let them outof their sight.
Now what ends up happening isobviously, uh, it as a woman
that just had a baby.
She's uh, milk milking,breasting.
There's breast milk coming outof her breasts that need to get

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pumped out.
So they always send a woman tocome and get milk out of her
breasts and she is like.
She's like what do you do withthat?
She said, well, we just dump itout because you know we don't
need it.
We're just making sure thatyou're OK and we're doing this
for you.
But she starts getting a littlesuspicious.
She's like something's notright.
One of the nights she hears ababy.
Now of it's not right.
One of the nights she hears ababy.
Now, of course, when she bringsthis up to Guy, guy's like, oh,

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it's because we have newneighbors on the eighth floor,
they have a baby.
And she's like, uh-huh, okay,they also start giving her these
pills, which she starts to nottake and hide them under the bed
or hide them in different parts.
Like it's another comical notmeant to be comical moment in
the movie where she's liketaking the pills right in front
of them and removing them.

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And I was like everybody cansee you, I don't understand.
Okay, whatever, that's a weirdstaging choice.
But one of the times that theythey take her milk, the lady's
like, okay, I'm gonna take thethe dishes now.
And rosemary's like, oh, I havea couple dishes.
She grabs a spoon that had beenin coffee and dumps it on the
breast milk and the lady ladyfreestyles like no, don't do
that.
Rosemary's like why not?

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That's for, that's just to getdumped out, right.
And she's like oh yeah, blah,blah, blah Makes up an excuse.
And that's when Rosemary startsbecoming suspicious that they
have my baby and they'reprobably going to eat my baby.

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Now in the book, rosemary, withall the pills that she has not
taken, she collects them andthis lady uh, the one that's
like guarding her she'sessentially the, the guard dog
brings her coffee.
And then rosemary's like oh,could I have some cookies?
I forget what she asked foranyway, the.
The lady has to go into thekitchen.
While she goes into the kitchen, rosemary breaks open the, the
tablets onto the other lady'sdrink.
She mixes it in, and so thatwhen the lady comes back she
drinks her coffee, she knocksout.

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And this is when Rosemary goesto the closet.
She takes the shells off, sherealizes that they're connecting
and through the peephole shecan see a baby.
I think it's called a bassinet,a baby's bassinet.
It's like a crib but rocks, Ithink it's bassinet, whatever

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that thing is called.
She notices and she's likethese fuckers have my baby.
She grabs a knife, she goesthrough the hallway with the
goal of just going straight tothe baby.
Now she realizes that thesepeople are are in the room,
including roman and minnie, whoare at this point supposed to be
out of town because they tookan out-of-town trip, because
roman is supposedly basically onhis deathbed.
Blah, blah, blah.
Clearly that's a lie, becausethey're there in the room, they
see her and they freak out alittle, but she keeps walking

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towards the baby.
In the movie she doesn't druganybody.
They kind of just, for whateverreason, decide to leave her
alone that day.
Sure, and then she proceeds andin the movie they make it seem
like she grabbed the knife inorder to stab these people and
then sees the bassinet, which tome it kind of makes a
difference, I feel.
In the book she just walks inlike a total badass.

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She's like I don't give a fuckwho you are, I'm going to my
baby.
I don't know.
And the movie it was just kindof like oh, what exactly is her
plan?
I don't know what her plan is.
So anyway, she gets to the babyand she's like oh, he's all
bundled up.
And then that's when you havethe infinite, infamous line what
have you done with his eyes?
Because he has his father'seyes, aka Satan.

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Basically, everything getsrevealed to her.
At that point Roman is sayinghail Satan.
They also say hail to thebaby's name and Rosemary is just
like fuck, like she's in, she'sa little bit in shock.
No, what, what ends uphappening there?
Uh, rosemary's is kind of inshock, obviously.
Uh, she just gave birth to thedevil's baby and as she's

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waiting in shock, one of theother ladies from the coven is
trying to to rock the baby.
But this lady has clearly neverdealt with a child in her damn
life, cause she's like rockingthe kid, like I don't even know
how to explain it.
It's just like back and forth,back and forth, back and forth.
And Rosemary is like that's notgoing to put the baby to sleep
and this thing is like shut up,what do you know?

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And Rosemary walks up, goes tothe baby.
The baby instantly knows that'smom because he gets quiet as

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soon as he's in the presence ofmom.
She rocks him nice and smoothand the baby goes to sleep.
Now this is where we startseeing some differences.
Now in the book you have somuch of her internal dialogue.
Now in the book she does grabthe baby, she picks him up and
she knows the baby has horns,has a tail and has those yellow

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eyes, but the baby is veryclearly happy with his mama.
In the movie you don't see thebaby, you don't know what the
baby looks like, which makessense to me because, especially
in that era of the 60s, making alittle baby with horns and a
tail might have come out reallyfunny.
It might not have delivered thefear that they would have
wanted and I think living it upto the imagination would be a

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lot scarier.
However, I looked up the why andthat is not the why.
The reason was because Mr RomanPolanski wanted the audience to
be left with the feeling of wasthis real or was she crazy all
along, and that just told meeverything I need to know about
how he directed this movie andwhy this movie has bothered me,

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like, even though so far thebook and the movie it's
basically been word for word.
The book, his focus was more soon making Rosemary look
hysterical as opposed tofocusing on the fact that this
is a woman who is beingmanipulated, abused by her
husband and her neighbors, andthat just drives me freaking

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crazy that this man would takethis story of abuse and be like,
no, it's about a woman beinghysterical.
Oh, that drives me fuckingcrazy.
And yeah, I made myself a notethis movie needed a woman
director.
It needed someone who couldtake a woman's experience and

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create this movie and make itstronger.
Yeah, anyway, continue on.
Before I continue ranting, Iwill rant some more.
I probably will.
One of the just in the movie.
She's rocking the baby.
You see her rocking the baby.
She kind of smiles and that'skind of it.
You don't know why you get theidea of well, she is a mama,
she's going to be the mama.

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Well, in the book you have awhole dialogue.
You have a whole dialogue ofher internal thoughts of I'm
going to kill myself.
That's her first thought.
Next thought no, I should killthis baby, this baby is the son
of Satan, I should kill it.
Until she gets to the pointwhere she says, sure, this baby
is the son of Satan, but hedoesn't have to complete his
role.
I'm going to be this baby'smother to lead him to the good

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side, to stay away from his roleas the son of evil.
And I think that's a veryinteresting way to end it.
It completes Rosemary's story,as opposed to just being left so
ambiguous.
And oh, is the woman crazy ornot.
It's just crazy women, right?
Oh, that pisses me off and thatexplains why Guy was directed

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in the way he was.
He wasn't the total assholethat he is in the book and, yeah
, that frustrated me.
That frustrated me too.
I do not know if that's whatIra Levin intended in writing
the book, but it reads that way.
It reads that she is ismanipulated, she's being abused,
she's being isolated.

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Guy does every effort to keepher away from everybody around
her.
So I feel like there was awhole lot, there was a whole lot
in the book internally, um,that we did not get in the movie
, um.
So yeah, and that's how themovie ends.
It does end really, uh,abruptly.
I do want to point out that onceit's revealed that it's a coven
, guy is a little bitch, hecontinues being a little bitch

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towards the end of the movie.
He's just a coward, um, andit's glorious to see him be a
coward.
And in the book, I will say,rosemary comes out so strongly
and it's badass to see thatopposite flip.
You don't see that in them.
You do see guy a little bitch,but you don't see Rosemary's
strength as much, and I thoughtthat that was missing.
Now there's a lot of changes,more in personality.

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For example, in the book, romanand the Asian doctor that's how
it's written the Asian doctor.
It's ridiculous.
But they have a lot morerespect for Rosemary, while the
rest of the coven is a littlescared.
But because Roman is the leader, they essentially do what Roman
says.
In the movie it seems likethey're all like yay, he's the
mom, she's the mom, let her be.

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It's not as tense, it's not aswhat's the word.
The stakes are not as muchthere.
Yeah, the ending is stillabrupt in both, but that is.
That is essentially thecomparison of Rosemary's Baby.
I feel like I jambled, Iblabbered a lot, I talked a lot,
but I hope you were able tofollow along to my crazy

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rambling.
If you look at it from a scriptvalue, yes, the movie is
faithful to the book.
However, you are missing a lotof what's going inside
rosemary's head.
Uh, you're missing a lot of thetiny little details that may
have seemed unimportant, but Ithink they were very important

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to the, to the overall majorpoint of the story.
So I guess this is where we getdown to the important part.
This is where yuvia gives herratings.
I rated the.
I rated the book three stars ongoodreads and I rated the movie
three stars on what's it calledletterboxd um, just so I can
keep track of my ratings.
However, if goodreads were toallow half stars, I would say

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it's a three and a half stars.
So time to declare the officialwinner.
How does Yuvia do her drum roll?
The book, the book wins becauseyou just get so many details.
It is a faithful adaptation.
Sure, every step, every scenehappens.

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However, the movie is soincredibly fast-paced, to the
point where it gets jumpy.
It is missing so many minordetails, so many important
details that give you a fullcharacter arc of who Rosemary is
, who Guy is and a betterunderstanding.
And I just feel like theoverall, the biggest horror for
me in this book I did not findit to be a scary book, I did not

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find it to be a scary movie thebiggest horror is the abuse and
the manipulation from Guy, thecast of it's two, but primarily
from Guy, who is the husband.
He essentially sold his wife toSatan for his career and then
proceeds to manipulate theliving hell out of her.
The biggest villain in thismovie, more than satan, is guy.

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Guy is the bad guy here.
Bad guy anyway, he is thevillain and I feel like you
definitely get that in the book,you don't get that.
You don't get that a lot in themovie.
Sure, it's hinted at, but Ithink that wasn't the problem.
It's hinted, it's not said,it's not as clear as it is in
the book.
So for that reason, I think thebook wins.

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Now, as I mentioned, I gave thebook a three star.
It was not perfect.
I do wish there was more of anending.
My understanding is thatthere's a second book called the
Son of Rosemary.
However, based on reviews, itis not a very well loved book.
But who knows, maybe I'll stillgive it a shot just to know
where exactly the story wraps up, because I felt like the ending

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was too abrupt.
Um, it was a good read.
I was entertained.
Um, I do recommend it for it'sit's, but I I wouldn't say it's
like oh my god, it's thescariest book I've ever read.
I was so terrified.
Um, especially consideringbecause when I returned the
exorcist, this was the one whatwas recommended.
When I returned the Exorcist,this was the one what was
recommended to me.
Now, the Exorcist was a scaryread for me.

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I was going to the bathroomwith every single light on in
the room because I was like I'mnot, yeah, I'm not fucking with
this.
Rosemary's Baby was more of acasual read for me.
I would categorize it more inthe drama category with a horror
ending twist.
So yeah, but yeah, so justreally quickly.

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I could not end this episodewithout bringing in my love for
the paranormal.
As anybody who knows me knows,I love the paranormal, including
cryptids, ghost stories,anything of that matter.
So I just want to bring outsome fun facts Before going into
the creepy ones.
There was two that I thoughtwere really interesting.
There is a scene in which MiaFarrow's character walks into

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oncoming traffic.
Turns out, roman Polanskiactually had Mia Farrow walk
onto real oncoming traffic,saying no one would hit a
pregnant woman.
Now, this situation was sodangerous, so bad that none of
the crew refused to go on camera.
So Roman Polanski had to getbehind the camera himself,
walking behind Mia Farrow,because nobody would do this.

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It was too dangerous, and itmakes you so glad that we have
all these regulations now,because what the fuck, roman
Polanski?
He put Mia Farrow in danger.
Because what the fuck RomanPolanski?
He put Mia Farrow in danger andunfortunately, it does seem
that Mia Farrow, at this pointin her career, was doing
whatever the director said,because that's the way things
were back then.
Another instance of that ofputting somebody in danger

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there's a scene in which sheeats chicken liver In the book
it's supposed to be chickenheart in which she eats chicken
liver In the book it's supposedto be chicken heart and the
reason she eats this is becausein the witchcraft book she reads
that chicken is essentiallyconsidered holy, which is why
she throws it off.
In the movie you don't get anyof that explanation.
You just see her eating chickenliver and that's it.
You don't understand why, butanyway she ate raw chicken liver
, which anything raw chickenwise is already dangerous.

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But she was vegetarian.
She was vegetarian and ate rawchicken liver for a couple of
I'm sure a lot of takes um justbecause the director said so,
and that that is upsetting to me.
That is.
I'm so glad we're in adifferent era of filmmaking
where actors don't have to beput through torture, because
that is just horrible.

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Those are two unfun facts thatI found, but paranormal wise.
As all films having to deal withthe devil, this film is
considered to be a cursed film.
So what events happened to giveit, making it called the cursed
film, the producer, WilliamCastle.
He also played a small part inthe movie.
I'm not exactly sure.

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I'm guessing he's one of thecoven members.
He had to be hospitalized afterreceiving hate mail from the
movie and, in a delirious stateof mind, yelled Rosemary, for
God's sake, drop the knife.
That was one instance.
Another one the composer,krizistov Komeda.
He fell off a rocky escarpmentand ended up in a four-month
coma from which he later died,which is, ironically, very

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similar to what happened toHutch.
Hutch went into a coma andlater died, so people have
always thought that that waspart of the curse.
Now, of course, the mostinfamous and most well-known
event is the Sharon Tate murders.
Sharon Tate was RomanPolanski's fiance.

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She was pregnant with the babyand I believe she was very far
along.
I don't know exactly how manymonths along she was, but she
was murdered by the Mansonfamily and a lot of people
believe that this was attachedto the curse.
Now, this one, I don't knowthis next one, I don't know that
I would count it as a curse,but people count it.
Mia Farrow was married to FrankSinatra.

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Now, frank Sinatra insistedthat she not take the role, but
she accepted it because she wasbeing promised that this was
what was going to get her theOscar.
So she took it and duringfilming, frank Sinatra filed for
divorce and it is said that sheactually served the papers a
while on set.
Now that is what a lot ofarticles say.
Truthfully, it seems to be thatFrank Sinatra didn't want her

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to take the part because he wasalready in another film I think
it was the Detective and theirschedules weren't weren't
matching and because she decidedto give more priority to the
movie rather than to him.
That's when frank sinatracalled it a divorce, so that I
wouldn't say frank sinatra waslike against the movie was more
so.
He was against her not givingtime to him, which is kind of

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selfish, if you ask me.
I mean, you're acting, bro, whycan't she act as well?
Men seem to be kind of assholesand it's.
It's kind of ironic that I'mrecording this on international
women's day, because I'm readingabout a lot of these men who
are being unfair to women.
Go figure, but anyway that thatis the reality.
But people think that thisdivorce is part of the curse.
Also, adding on to that, sheagain took this role because she

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thought that she was gonna getthe oscar.
Unfortunately she was snubbed.
She did not get it, uh.
But not only did she lose theoscar, she lost the oscars on a
year in which the leadingactress oscar ended in a tie.
She lost not only to one person, she lost to katherine hepburn
for the line in the winter andbarbara styson for funny girl.

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So I don't bad, but that sucks.
Not only did you lose to oneperson, you lost to two people
who tied for the leading rolefor the leading actress category
.
Now if you ask me if she wassnubbed, I don't think so.
I don't think her performancestood out and it's not her fault
.
I just feel like she wasdirected in a weird way.
Overall, the movie felt verycartoony.

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For me, the acting felt verycartoony, so I don't personally
feel like she was snubbed.
Now people were like, oh, themovie is cursed.
It can't have been that cursedbecause the lady who played
Minnie what's her name?
Ruth Gordon.
Ruth Gordon, who played Minnie,did win the Supporting Actress
Oscar that same year.
Now a lot of people have saidthat her not getting the curse,

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her not getting the Oscar, wasprobably godly punishment for
taking the role, especiallybecause, apparently Mia Farrow
was at one point in her lifeconsidering being a nun, so
people thought that that wasgodly punishment.
I don't think so, but whatever.
Now, another event that has beentied to this movie's so-called

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curse, uh, is that john lennonwas killed in 1980.
He was basically shot by a fanwho was a little crazy, but
where he was shot is just a fewsteps away from where terry's
death happened in the movie.
Um, it is, it's, yeah, just afew steps away, it's so close to
it.
So people have thought thatthat was part of the curse.

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I don't know, I mean, that's alittle bit too far ahead.
John Lennon died in the 80s,1980.
He was killed in 1980.
This movie is 1968, 67.
You'll be able to put the year,but that is too far.
I feel like that's too farahead for it to be part of the
Rosemary Curse.
However, with that said, theDakota building itself is

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considered to be severelyhaunted.
So who knows, Maybe it's notjust the movie, maybe it's the
film location that has the curse.
Who knows?
There's a lot of haunted ghoststories about that building,
which of course makes me want tovisit it, and that's just me.
I also wanted to point out twolittle Easter eggs.
One of them in the phone boothscene.

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Rosemary is heard mouthing 4377a couple of times Now 4377, if
you were to flip the numbersaround, apparently they spell
hell.
I feel like that's a bit of astretch, but people think that
Roman Polanski did that onpurpose, to kind of hint that
there is a little bit of evil,one that completely went over my
head.
Both in the book and in themovie.

(01:14:40):
The baby is born in June of1966.
Which spells out the numbers666.
I knew in the book the baby wasborn in June In the 60s.
I never connected that it was 6of 66.
So yeah, small little Eastereggs, but yeah, that is about
all I have.
I think I ran this episode alittle long.
I am so sorry.

(01:15:01):
Yuvia and Yuvia listeners,yuvia fans, thank you, thank you
for allowing me to do thisepisode.
I hope I didn't ramble too much.
I hope it makes sense.
But yeah, I hope everybodyenjoyed me taking over Books vs
Movies podcast for today.
Let Yuvia know what you think.
Be honest, be honest with her.

(01:15:21):
I will not be offended ifanyone's like please, for the
love of God, never bring him onagain.
Be honest with her.
But yeah, let her know what.
You want her to have me come inagain and do another horror
kind of review.
My specialty is horror andsuperheroes.
I have burnt Yuvia out ofsuperheroes so I don't think she
wants to watch anothersuperhero movie ever again.

(01:15:43):
So maybe that could be acategory.
But horror, as she mentioned,she does watch horror movies
with me.
She doesn't necessarily like it, but if it comes to demons
she's out, she's dead.
No, it's an absolute no for her.
But yeah, let her know.
If there's something, if youenjoyed it, let her know.
If you want me to come back orif you want me to never step
foot on this again, feel free tolet her know.

(01:16:03):
Other than that, thank you allso much.
Hope you all enjoyed theepisode.
Bye, bye.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Thank you so much to Orlando for hosting this week's
episode of Books vs Movies.
If you're enjoying the podcast,please be sure to leave it a
rating and a review on eitherApple or Spotify or wherever
you're listening to this podcast.
I still don't know what I'mreviewing next week, but I have
an idea.
But I don't want to say just incase it's not that, but be sure

(01:16:28):
to follow us and tell yourfriends all about it and see you
next time.
Bye.

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