Know the Enemy: Louisville

The Hokies were able to prevail in a wild back and forth contest in Lane Stadium on Friday night, taking down the Golden Bears in 2OT with a final score of 42-34. We Tell the Truth about a fun but chaotic game in Blacksburg. We then turn our attention to Louisville as we get to Know the Enemy ahead of Saturday's 3PM home tilt. We wrap as always by picking our Big Screeners of the week.

Episode Transcript

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Music. Music and welcome back to the

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Boundary Corner podcast with my partners, Brian Siegler, Shelton
Moss and Jonathan Talley. I'm in Curtis Wilson and as
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Welcome back Shelton, welcome back Tally.
We're it's all of us again. Woo Hoo you.
Know from A2 for to a four for. Yeah, good to be back, I guess.
What the? Hell, you call that thing.
I guess it's an awesome night for me.
Last time I had some some brief distractions watching watching
football. Some people in the comments on

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me know about it, but happy to be back after, especially after
a big a big Hokies win. We'll get into it.
But it awesome game, not just the win, but the fact that there
was so much awesome stuff that happened, like the shirtless
dudes in the stands, you know, the, the Super cold weather had
a bunch of my friends go and, you know, send me a bunch of fun
pictures. So it's just fun to get a win.

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And obviously had the the the Twitter war leading up to it,
the Calgary them trolling the memes.
That was awesome too. So just a great, great, fun week
of college football. Definitely fun week Cali.
Yeah, no, I was going to say me and Sheldon probably should just
drop off and let you and Brian run it because that seems to be
a winning, be a winning success there.

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Maybe we need to stay into that mindset of us just watching and
let y'all do it if that's going to help us get a win or
something. Oh hey, maybe.
We can. Just let y'all do it so I don't.
Believe. It yeah definitely definitely a
good a good day, a good a good game good week good win had a

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lot going on over this way. Wife just got home she had
surgery yesterday so yeah she got home today has been moving
around good. She had to have a bulging disc
fixed in her neck back area. So a little bit scary to think
about but you know prayerfully, thankfully the Lord took care of

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everything and everything went good.
So she is back home and moving around actually with the to
Walmart to do her walking because apparently she has to
get steps in so she doesn't get stiff.
So she went to Walmart to get that done.
So anyway great win by the Hokies.
Glad to be back. How y'all feeling?
I'm feeling good, but I'm going to just dress some real quick

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because I do not want it to be 6000 comments over here.
Yes, we see Twitter people saying James Franklin.
We don't know yet, y'all, until the person is introduced in
Merriman in front of the Hokie background.
He's holding a jersey with a helmet.
We don't know. I don't believe, OK.

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And that's when I believe in theday that happens, we will be
here, we will talk about it. Because three weeks ago all of
us sat here, all of us gave names, we gave our input on a
bunch of guys. Y'all came and gave input on a
bunch of guys. But until it happens, we don't
know. So put that to rest.
Because we acknowledge, we, we, we see the.

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We see. We see the rumblings.
We. See rumblings?
Don't listen, Don't listen to Curtis.
Keep them coming in the chat. I want to see everything, James.
Franklin, James. Franklin, James.
Franklin, matter of fact, just put whatever names you want to
put in there, say Nick Saban in the comments.
It don't matter. We need to just keep the
positive energy going. We got a wind going, we got good

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vibes happening. We don't know nothing.
We don't know if he's if, if Franklin's coming.
We're here in the rumblings. Hopefully it's true and Derek is
bad. Y'all, if you don't know, I
found. That out last.
How was that? That Derek is bad.
Yeah. So anyway, welcome back.
Welcome back. How you feeling?

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Man, it's been a been a busy start to the week man.
But it's going good on this end,man.
Looking forward to a little little Halloween weekend coming
up here. Yes, Halloween on a Friday.
Halloween on a Friday. God Almighty, good God almighty,
got to go make some witches brewespresso martinis pumpkin beer

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I'm going to get. Well.
No, I can't because I have to catch baseball at 9:00 the next
morning. So it's going to be horrible,
horrible. You can.
You can do a little bit. You can do a little bit.
I can do a little bit, I just can't let it go overboard
because if not, I'm going to be out there in like 41° cold
weather and a bunch of nine yearolds screaming the dugout.

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All right, y'all have already hit it.
Sheldon and Tally always talk about it.
We going to tell the truth Tuesday about a hell of a win on
Friday night. I mean, what went well is, first
of all, before we say anything, we want another damn game, which

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I did not foresee any more wins this season, so they shit on me
on Friday night. Once we got past Wake, I was
worried about this game, but this is the only other one.
I said well we got a fighting chance.
I didn't like our chances, but Ifigured it would be close.
It was close. Obviously 2 overtimes so it was

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a fun ride though. It was a fun ride.
So the other thing to talk aboutit and tally, you've been
mentioning this a couple times is there was effectively no quit
in this. There has not been any quit in
this team for about the last month and Friday night.
I mean, first of all, A2 score deficit, we jump out to the 10

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nothing lead and we give up 20 straight and I was like, Oh my
God, it's it's fucking Vanderbilt again.
We're going to lose this game 40to 10.
And then Shelton's favorite statistic, Shelton I'm.
Not following buddy. You're not following.
What else did I thought Montgomery do 1.

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Oh, yeah, Yeah. Oh, I got you.
Yeah, I got you. Yeah, sorry, that's whatever I
had. But yeah.
Have at it. What else went well for y'all on
Friday night? But beyond the no quit thing, I
think the adjustments that we saw in especially on the
offensive side and really we kind of came out out the gate

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running the football a whole lotmore and we stuck with it for
four quarters. I feel like in the, you know,
the second quarter, we kind of hit a little bit of a of a spot
there where their offense kind of figured out what we were
doing on defense a little bit. And we had a couple bad series
where we, you know, had some 3 and outs there.
But I mean, for the most part, we were committed to the running

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game. We said we're going to run this
ball down their throat and they did that for four quarters.
I couldn't stop it. I mean, running the ball seemed
to work. I've said it multiple times, I
would probably follow Georgia Tech's playbook and what they do
with Haynes King with Karen drones, and it seemed like

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that's what they did on Friday. Stop trying to make him a NFL
pocket passer because that's notwhat he does.
But when you use him, how he plays and how he's designed, it
works out because nobody on Kyle's defense was stopping him.

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He got tackled a lot. Somebody on Cal's team had about
20 tackles, but he wasn't stopping the run.
He was just in the way. He ain't getting them to the
ground. But great win.
Like you said, no, no, quit. Excuse me, continuing the fight.

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No quit in the coaching staff. I see the coaches on the
sidelines jumping up. I see Phillip Montgomery in the
refs face when they're making horrible calls back-to-back to
back-to-back. Some of it was just asinine,
like I'll probably use that in another segment to talk about
the refs. That was pitiful.
But no quit from any kid that's out there on the field.
And that is that's a good sign. That's something that you want

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to see. Sean, let us up with some run
data, man, because you got the analytical stuff.
How good was it last night? It, well, it was frankly insane.
I'm, I'm actually compiling someof the season numbers on, on
Terry and Stewart and Hawkins here in a second.
But just to talk about this gamespecifically, you look at the
overall numbers. I mean, yards for play with 6.3

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yards per rush was over 8 and I was kind of giving up some of
the stuff on PFF. You look at Tech success running
outside the tackles, they averaged 8.6 yards per carry and
also had two, both of their two rushing touchdowns on outside
the tackle, runs inside the tackle is that it was actually
still pretty good, but not quiteas good when they're going
outside. And obviously, you know, we'll

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talk about it, but they just, you know, kind of similarly kept
spamming that, you know, split zone read and and certain
variations of that look over andover again, you know, and I
think if we were if we were Cal fans or if we were watching it,
our defense perform like that, Ithink we'd all be kind of
ripping our hair out because Caljust could not stop it.
They had no answer for any of that stuff.
Can I say what I thought real quick, Sean, before you get it,

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The Syracuse play last year. Everybody remember the game?
No, the Rutgers play. The Rutgers?
Yeah, the Rutgers play New York,New Jersey.
Same difference. Go ahead, Sheldon, back to you.
Yeah, so I think I think the Golden Bears have have to go
back to drawing board in that one.
But still, Marcellus Hawkins 8 yards per carry and Tech as a
team forced 20 missed tackles, which is just an insane number

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for a single game. Stewart had nine missed tackles
for us. Tawkins had eight.
Drones had three. So you know, we'll we'll get to
the season numbers here pretty shortly, but it is just insane
what this group of running backshas been able to do when they've
had, you know, some some time and space to, you know, make
plays, you know, because they'rethey're seeing numbers are just
incredible at this point. So certainly got to give Elijah

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Brooks his flowers for the job that he's doing, bringing this
guys in and and developing like he has.
Brian hit on that split zone because Shelton message Brian
like I think it felt like it was6 O clock Saturday morning and
like Brian where they run a split zone and you were like.
They, they were running, they were calling that over and over
and they were doing a good job with mixing in some, some keeps

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with, with drones, really just getting outside the tackle and
doing, doing his thing there. And it was really they were,
they were putting them in conflict with that play all
night. I think it was just a
combination of, you know, tight end going across the formation,
guys just not passing off the assignments that the the way
they probably should it it kind of puts, you know, neutralizes

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you luave to a point where, you know, if you if you do give it,
he's probably going to be there to make a play.
But what we blocked it pretty well most of the time.
And when when Jones got outside,he made them pay for it big
time. Kelly anything else on the run
game Friday night? No, man, it was just good to

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see. I mean, I think when we figured
out that it was working and didn't go away from it, it was
awesome because I think we were like running the ball great.
And then we decided, oh, let's let Kyron throw it.
He throws the interception, man,just keep running.
If they're not going to stop youfrom running it, just run.
So I think once we figured that out after that series, like we
may have run the same play like 9 times in a row.

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Continue to run. It may not be.
Yeah, it may not be the sexy thing to do, but if it's putting
points on the board and it's holding the ball, keeping the
other offense off the field, man, I love it.
Let's keep doing it so. What is it?
Was it at one point there was the touchdown Dr. That was 9
plays, but it was at one point it was 18 consecutive runs and

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it was something like it was like 6 a pop on 18 consecutive
runs, which is just nuts. It was to close regulation I
believe. Like pretty much it was run,
run, run, run run one after the other. 100% yeah.
And and I know shelving through the the the data up there about
their yards per carry and roughly Hawkins 21 rushes,

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drones 21 rushes, bullied 14 rushes.
It was a good enough balance tooright night there you go Justin
had the number hit Justin 19 consecutive rushes, which is
that's. Crazy.
That's wild. And, and, and, and The thing is,
the way we were running it, the passes we did hit were

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significant. Like the one to Takihi.
I mean, it was not the best pass, but because we've been
running the ball so good, like it was no one where he could
still make the catch, so you know.
In in the one day overturned on Spencer.
Yeah. The one day overturned on
Spencer. He was pretty much as because of

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that run, because of that. Yeah.
He's you're open, you know, so Imean, you, that's what we are as
a team. I feel, I wish again, I wish
that we would have been doing that all along.
But you know, it is what it is. It was definitely good to see,
definitely good to see a a win Friday night.
And also I'm going to say this too, what what for me because

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people know how I am about Sandman, right?
If we going to do Sandman, if wedo it in a close game in the
fourth quarter or going from third quarter to fourth quarter
and it's like that, I'm cool with it.
Fuck doing it at the beginning of the game, like don't I'm

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tired because my thing isn't really the the entrance.
I think it's just how people idolize it and it doesn't mean
anything. But when we went, you know, when
they was playing it, when they're trying to drive late in
the 4th or going into overtime, whatever, it was like that was
awesome to see in here. You know what I'm saying?

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Like that's college football. So I'm like, bro, if you don't
use it like that, just use it like that all the time.
Hell, if we have been doing thaton the 17 games that probably
lost by 1 score, maybe we'd havewon three or four of them.
Play that shit when it's close in the third and fourth quarter.
That's what I want to see, the jumping around.
So it's crazy, man. I love.

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I love it. It was great.
It was great to see all. Right.
Let's put real to some other stuff that went good.
Let's talk about the defense rough into the first half, but
the way they came out in the second-half and then in general
how they shut down the run because I fully expected
Kendrick Raffy out to have a game and they shut him down.

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They shut him down. So any anybody, anything that
stuck out to y'all while watching a game or Shelton?
Any data from Friday night? I mean, they they their their
EPA per rush for Cal expected points added was in the 8th
percentile for all games this year.

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So that's really, I mean, you know, bottom 10% rushing
performance all season. That's that's pretty good.
So the run run defense is reallygood.
So I mean, they, you know, they kind of dominated that
statistically. I mean, I don't know, you know
what the, you know, the schematics of it was.
But, you know, I, I also thought, to be fair, I, I
thought Cal, Cal's receivers were, you know, pretty bad, like
dropping passes left and right. Oh, that was.

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Horrible. So yeah.
Except the Jesus. Except the Jesus, that little
son of a bitch. When they when they did catch
it, when they when they did catch it, they was moving and
grooving and that tight end minior whatever his name was, like I
feel like he was open all game, but they dropped so many passes.
So thank you, Cal Calgorithm, whatever you call it yourself.

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Thank you. They know what you're doing.
The the drops were crazy becausethey had a probably five or six
other first downs just on drops.I mean, it was, it was one of
those things where like you couldn't really get mad at the
quarterback. The quarterback was doing pretty
much everything you had to do towin that game.

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And it seemed like between theirdefense not adjusting to take
away what we were doing and thentheir receivers just not making
plays in, in crunch time, you know, made it close, kept us in
it. We got back in it, fought back
and we're we're thankfully able to come out on top in overtime

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after a couple scares there. 100% And is the defensive line
good the. The defensive tackles are good.
Well. Kumar Copeland is good because
they're putting him everywhere. Well-being Bell seems like he's
been doing some stuff too though, right?
If he could get somebody to the ground like he's, he's in there

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disruptive. He's disruptive a lot.
He got somebody to the ground and they called it a.
Yeah, unfortunately. He called the fumble and they
called it a rough in the passer that was that was an unexpected.
Thing in my life, I've never seen a rough in the passer when
the guy still got the ball. Yeah, he still had the ball.
That's not rough in the passer. That was the stupidest thing

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I've ever seen in my life and itwas it really screwed us in the
situation because if that doesn't happen, it's like 4th
from what, 1213 yard line? Yeah, something like that.
I. Don't think they get it but but
I love to see Kamari Copeland because he ate Friday night.
Especially his last sack, the one when they put him on the

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edge like out of the 9 techniqueand he just bullied through that
tackle. Just bullied through that tackle
and got his sack and I love it and I love it and I hate it
because you start seeing some fingerprints of Cevkis of like
what he will do with guys. It's a little bit too late and
it's unfortunate, but Kamari wasunbelievable.

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But yeah, is the D line good? Is it good or not?
I mean the. Defensive line is.
Definitely the one area that I wasn't worried about at the
start of the year. Obviously we're a little bit
lighter, a few pass rushers thanwhat we started with, but I feel
like the defensive tackles have played really well throughout

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the year that that that's been aspot that has been kind of a
standout for me. When we look at the defense,
they've had the least attrition,so that helps obviously.
But I think that, you know, thatposition group has definitely
been the strongest, the deepest and made the most plays.
I'm going to go off the script here just a little bit right

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quick, Curtis, but I'm going to toss it to you first.
And we don't have to talk about who it is.
Anybody new coach comes in, you see the film, you see the you
see the tape, you see what we have to offer, right?
Who are you? Who was your first?
Who was your first calls to keepon the staff and on the roster?

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I don't care how many you name 102038 a month, but I'm just
saying first calls to keep on the staff and on the roster.
First call on the first call on the staff and it's what he's
done this year because he did lose some depth is I'm going to

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probably say JC because they're playing at a high level and it's
different this year and we know how he recruit.
He finds guys right that can just play and can make chaos.
As far as the first player. And if it's more than one, it
don't have to be 1, I'm just. Like I like what you did, like

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that first call, give me a call.Give me Copeland because he's
got another year of eligibility.You see how passionate he is and
you saw, you've seen at times how dominant he can be.
And I know that's that both on the defensive side of the ball,
but that's my first two, JC and keep those two guys together

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because I think you can build around that.
And JC got the proof, right? Look what APR did.
Look what happened this year. All right, who's next?
Which one are y'all? I'm going.
To throw at the, I'm going to throw at the shell next.
He looks like he's ready and andand rearing to go.
Yes, I am. I mean, I think, I think Matt

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Morris, probably my #1 because Ithink, you know, he, we know he
has the coaching credentials. And I just think that's the
position where Vt really needs some continuity because they've
had what I think 4 online coaches over the last four
years. Yeah, maybe that would.
Be mice. 4 / 5. Yeah, although the.
One of those came in midway through the spring, so.

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Yeah. So I mean, you just you have to
start building some continuity there.
So I I would definitely try to keep him.
Elijah Brooks, like I said, you know, again, we're going to talk
about numbers here soon, but theproduction he's gotten from the
running backs is just insane. Like I think that's the spot
where. You know.
People, I mean people look at our wide receiver recruiting,
you know, and spend a little bitunderwhelming on the production

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side, development side. So we can have a, you know,
debate about that. But there's no question that the
production has been a lead from the running backroom over
multiple years with different players, which which suggests
that it's a coaching, it's a testament to coaching.
So those are probably the first two I'd start with.
He came to coach Brian. Yeah, you got to give me Matt
Moore as well for the same reasons as Sheldon.

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I think continuity is a big a big thing for especially for an
offensive line as it develops. And I mean it to that point.
I mean, I think you got to keep if you're if you're talking
about players, I think you got to start with the trenches, you
know, bring back a guy like Altooner, keep your center
intact. He's shown some promise this

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year. Play pretty well overall, you
know, had the yeah, the false snap there against Cal, but I
mean, he's played pretty well, especially for a guy getting his
first year starting. So keep the continuity there.
Obviously there's a lot of otherguys you call I like, I like
Brooks, I like JC Price. Mods would probably be the next

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one on the list if we had to go 4 deep there.
Still not convinced that the production problem is is a minds
problem necessarily. I think it's kind of been a
mismatch of scheme and just not always getting the ball where it
needs to go all the time. So yeah, that that that's where

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I'm going first. And like you said, I don't think
there's a calling Copeland will never be a bad decision as well.
So so keep it focused on the interior.
They also Altoona and Copeland will be the two guys that I'm
calling. First player was.
No, I just no man, I was thinking about this or have been
thinking about it. And to sum it all up, because

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it's not never one, right? I asked you a trick question,
but you think about mines BrooksJC, somebody else named
somebody. So mines Brooks JC and it was
somebody else, Matt Moore, right.
So you think about those coaches, if you do retain them
and what they have started to build.

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If I can only pick one, I would definitely say Brooks just
because like, it's insane to me what he is doing with these
running backs. You know, I know the line is a
big like the line has to open upa hole for him, right?
You can't have a quarterback anda running back that runs for
that much yards without having that offensive line.

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So Matt Moore doing a great job,but Brooks just has a great
offer talent. And I feel like because we've
been so bad and we have, you know, not lived up to our
potential as a team, we have really diminished what the
running backs that we've had over the last couple of years

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look like. You know what I'm saying?
Our performances, we don't even say what the full season looks
like for the guys we have this year, but we go back to Tooton
last year. Virginia Tech fans are going to
look back at what Tooten did when he was at Virginia Tech and
Black man, he was a top five running back.
I think when we did the show, a lot of people had him in there
with all the greats. Like that is crazy for him to

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come from where he came from to be able to do what he did.
But then also you just go on theplayers I'm I'm talking to, like
you said, Copeland, I'm talking to the Reddish.
I'm talking to most of the offensive lineman.
When you talk about like Altoona, great, great young, you

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know, player that looks like he has a lot of development that he
could do, but holds his own and and and bully Ann Hawkins.
You know, the both both of them have eligibility left, right?
Both of them have one. You have eligibility left.
Am I not mistaken? Stewart does not.
Hawkins may have a COVID year left.

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He has one left. Yeah.
He has one. Yeah.
Yeah. Hawkins does.
So bullies done, Yeah? Bully's done.
I'm talking to Hawkins. Hey, man, we need you in here.
Jeff Overton, you get healthy. We need you too, buddy.
All right, so we need, we need the running backs.

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Sheldon, that's a perfect setup because Italians up there
talking about Hawkins in the running backroom.
You you got some good stuff to share on that tonight.
Yeah, well, it's been really impressive.
Kind of a 1-2 punch. First off, with Hawkins overall
running grade, just running specifically 86.1 ranks 15th in
FBS. And then you look at the yards

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after contact numbers, just incredible.
Hawkins ranks 22nd, 4.72 after contact per rush.
And then Stewart is third in thecountry, 5.71.
So Tech has 2 running backs. They rank top 25 in the country
in yards after contact and again, these are, you know, two
first first year guys, one came from AG51, came from FCS.

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So the fact that you know, Brooks is able to pull these
guys in here and just get instant productivity is really
impressive. And they also both rank top 10
and elusiveness rating, which PFF tracks basically like
isolates the explosive plays andaccredited to the running back.
So I mean, no matter which way to slice it, it's been it's just
been incredible. And I don't think it's a
situation like last year where Ifeel like, you know, Tootin kind

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of had to be Superman like everyplay.
I feel like the O lines played alittle bit better recently.
I think they're, you know, they're open up some more, some
more holes and he's not, you know, being swallowed up in the
backfield. So it's been, it's been a sight
to see for sure. Good deal.
That's some good stats right to that The the the bully being 3rd
and like 20th he goes back. How you going to beat Louisville

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this weekend? Run the damn ball and just run
the shit out. Of it, you got to hold it.
No, I ain't, Curtis. I'll go ahead, Brian.
I'm sorry. I was just going to talk about
the the running back situation in in the offensive line.
Like one of the things I'm noticing, you know, you see the
broken tackles and things like that.
But the one thing that's been better and improved relative to
last year and what Tune was dealing with is that there's not

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as much contact at or behind a lot of scrimmage for that first
contact. A lot of the first contacts is
coming after positive yards havealready been gained and then
you're getting kind of that thatextra cream on top of that.
So that's been I think a positive improvement across the
board for the running game this year.
And kind of why I think a lot ofus were frustrated that we
weren't necessarily leaning on that as much as we could have.

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And hopefully that we see that after this by there's been kind
of a little bit of a of a changein philosophy and how they want
to approach the offense and that, you know, Cal's just a
sign of the things to come for what the offense is going to do
from a from a skiing perspective.
So yeah, I was going to say again, thank you to the chat for
just, you know, we see your comments thrown in now.

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Keep them coming. I want I can't even remember who
put it up. It's somewhere in there.
But somebody think we missed what somebody said third, like
how big has that been to have Jared Ferguson on the as the
strength and conditioning? Like, we talk about these guys
breaking tackles. We talk about the.
Looking good in the fourth, not running out of gas.

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Looking looking good in the fourth, not running out of gas
like Jared Ferguson being the man in charge, him being on the
sideline, you know, hyping the team up to, you know what I'm
saying, that being shown on camera is like a breath of fresh
air. So I can definitely see a
difference in strength and condition just going into those

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fourth quarters and stuff like that because I'm already we're
losing. It's A1 score game.
We ain't winning it. Yeah, we done.
We ain't going to make the game win and play.
But they keep playing tough, man.
You know, even in the games thatwe have not won, you know, I
keep seeing people play hard and, you know, making tackles
and and, you know, just looking the part more than we did in the

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past year. So Ferguson, don't know where
he's going to end up, don't knowwhat's going to happen with the
coach research, but good luck tohim.
Would love to hang him. Hang around, Yeah.
There's only a couple more things about the game I want to
hit before we flip over, talk Louisville for a little bit and
a few other things. But y'all special team shit

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guides me off my fucking knocker.
And you know what? The block kick.
OK, you know what sometimes people just make plates.
Sometimes people just make plates.
Block kicks happen. But when Kent Selman, that ball
like this man's own, that's justlike I'm sitting here doing this

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like first of all, a why'd he doit?
That's a little bit on him. But secondly, Steve Holt, why
aren't you telling them? Listen, if that ball's getting
to the end zone, just let it go.Be be like frozen.
And my daughter who watches it at least once a week or puts on
the the the the costumes. Let it go, let the ball go.

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I'm going to tell Stu. I'm going to tell Stu like my
boy did when he they was fishingat his son's pond.
Hit the road, dude. This ain't no state property.
This is private property. He got to go.
Man, that's all he's doing too. Like that's all that's all he's
doing right now. It's not like he's got

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distractions elsewhere that he'sworried about it.
Like all you're doing is specialteams, bro.
Yeah, get it right. Rough, rough Shelton, any
comments on either of those place probably or anything?
You got said it all. All right.
The the last piece I got to say is we usually we, we kind of hit
everything, the good, the bad, what we didn't expect because

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nobody expected a rough in the past to happen when the
quarterback still has the ball ever.
But the the split at which we had Friday night, run, pass
split, I think it was Sean, you got it up how many times we run
the ball. Give me I got to look up and
give me a SEC. But anyway, Sean's going to give
it to us. But that run, pass split and and

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you've been hitting the tally saying we've got to do this,
whatever that split was Friday night to have any semblance in
the next four games, any semblance of a chance.
It's got to be like that. But it's also got to be real.
Oh, Lord, but it's also got to be you're only down 10 points.

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Monty didn't panic. He stayed within the game plan,
right? He stayed within the game plan.
Said we won't still # the ball. What was the splits, Shelton?
It was 55 rushes to. Let's see here, 18 passes.
So but surprisingly enough, I mean, Kyrie was actually weirdly

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efficient like he only completed50% of his passes, but he had
three touchdowns and a really high yards per attempt.
So it's kind of like, you know, super, super efficient all.
Right, hold on, hold on. I I need everyone in the room to
address this. Hey, no disrespect, no

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disrespect to Montgomery. I think the dude has a great
opportunity to go coach like North Texas or something like
that. He going, we need him.
To be the head coach here, go togo anywhere.
I don't care if he wants to be ahead coach, he's going to find
somewhere. It just don't need to be here.
We let. Me tell you where we can I tell

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you where He's on land and probably have to do a good job.
Tulane. Where?
Tulane you think about what they.
Do. Is that right?
No, he was a. Tulsa.
Too late in them both. All right, let's keep it rolling
and let's talk about the game. Well, let's talk about this

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first. Brian Kelly got fired.
Yep. Good, hey.
Me too. But you know what?
Somebody I read somebody said hechecked out last year.
You know what I would do too. I got joked with a guy at work
today. Check out two of my buyout was
$60 million. I ain't doing shit this year.

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What do you want to do? You want to fire me and give you
all my? Money, man.
I can't. I can't imagine.
I can't imagine being in the situation where if I win I get
paid 10 million and if I lose I get paid 60 million. 60 million.

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Dollars, but it is. So let let me ask you all of the
big three, what's your order? What what's the best job?
Because it's a big three like I'm a college football fan.
It's a big three. It's Florida.
It's LSU. It's Penn State.
Tally. What's 123?
Man, I don't even think about all the money and talent and all

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that, but I'm just telling you, if I'm a head coach, I'm doing
my best to stay away from LSU and I'm doing my best to stay
away from the SEC. If I want to, like if I if I
just want to, it's going to be hard there too.
But if I just want to make as much money as I can and maybe be

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on some shows, sure. But when people will talk, and
I'm going to just say this, people were saying James
Franklin needs to go to Florida.Or I said the worst thing for a
James Franklin would be to go toa SEC school.
It'd be horrible for him. The reason I say that is because
it's a gauntlet and they're already going to be on him

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because he just came from like he's a, he got fired in the
middle of the year. He's not a up and coming coach.
He got fired in the middle of the year.
So he's going to come in and knows the SEC fans are going to
have expectations of you win nowor we want you gone.
You got to think Coach O won a national championship.
He was fired like the next season or the next two seasons.

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Same with Gene Chiswick, like you're not getting time to do
anything. Brian Kelly, 34 and 14, even
though he's an idiot and I really dislike him, like, if you
ain't, if you ain't getting it done quickly for us, you're out
of here. You know, we won't even go into
the whole there's just not a lotof black head coaches in the SEC

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in the past. But if you start thinking about
the black head coaches in the SEC, where are they now?
I'll wait. Not coaching.
You ain't hearing from them, Joker Phillips.
You know, of course Chrome is gone.
But you can say Charlie Strong, he was at Texas, never going to
be a head coach again. I'm just saying if I'm somebody

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like, if I'm somebody like JamesFranklin, there's no way I'm
looking at those jobs. And he does like he can coach at
any place he wants to, But I would be looking at somewhere
more like a, you know, Virginia Tech, UCLA, something like that.
But out of those three jobs, me,I'm going to say I would go Penn
State, LSU in Florida because I don't even know who can go and

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win in Florida. Like Florida's been snake been
since, you know, the the the years of of champions.
Well, they they had Dan Mullen. He was doing really good.
He had one bad season. They asked him one bad season.
He got out Shell. What's your?
So are we talking about like thethe big, the big 5 is it?
Well, no, I'm saying the top three because I think in my

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opinion, LSU, Penn State in Florida or head and shoulders
above. Yeah.
You know national championships won in the playoffs.
Great recruiting bases look 123 for you.
I'd say so. Florida's up there, OK State.

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OK. So it's kind of weird because I
feel like they're a very comparable program to Vt and
since if they've only had success with the one head coach
and you know, that's kind of like a, you know, mid level
program that, you know, kind of has to develop well.
And, you know, they've got some decent funding, but maybe not as
much as they had in the past. So I definitely think Vt is more
attractive than Arkansas just based on like, you know, ability
to compete in the CFP for the CFP, you know, spending relative

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to conference geography, recruiting base.
I I think Vt has got a lot goingfor compared to compared to
those couple jobs. So I mean, a lot of it depends
like on, you know, first of all the money and I think the
money's probably there. And second of all, does the head
coach like the administration that he works with now this is
going to get into the whole another kind of worms of like,
you know, what's going on with Wit and the Vt administration?

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I mean, I would imagine he's done by the end of the academic
year, but nothing's happened so far.
And like what? So like, if you're a coach,
like, you know, you walk in there and say like, OK, we're
going to, you know, do you have assurances that they're going to
get rid of wit, you know, and ifthe and if so, like, well, OK,
who's going to replace him? Like you don't know, Like I, I,

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I don't know if Vt is really maximizing their ability to hire
a quality head coach when they don't know who the next AD is
going to be. So that would be, that'd be my
concern. I don't think it's as much
infrastructure as you know, and,and ability to win.
I think it's more so like, what's this administration going
to look like? Bron.

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Yeah, I, I, I'm in agreement with with with that too.
And I think like when you look at the the three, you know, I,
I, I'd actually probably put putthem Florida, LSU, Penn State.
But I mean, I think Florida and LSU have, have their own pluses
and minuses. They all crazy based on where

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they're recruiting, the fan bases, expectations, all that.
I think there's a lot of problems that you get with
taking a job at like an LSU or aFlorida that you don't
necessarily get with some of these other schools.
And I think it's a little bit harder to win, even though it's
it's still easy relative to I think the rest of the country.

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But it's it's a little bit harder to win at a Florida or at
LSU than it maybe is for a Texasschool or Georgia or Alabama.
So, yeah, I think there's some inherent hills that you got to
kind of climb over as those two schools.
But then, you know, Penn State is still going to have to beat

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Ohio State every year. And as long as Ohio State is
still playing the way they are, Penn State's going to always be
playing second fiddle there. So that that's why that job's a
little bit lower, I think on thetotem pole than the rest of
them. Well, now you got, now you got
Indiana coming in now acting like they're juggernauts too.
Yeah. It's true.

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So are you thinking fiddle? Third fiddle. 4th fiddle.
Maybe 4th fiddle of Michigan or in USC.
Yeah, don't. Don't forget about USC.
USC and really fucking around methey're they're they're
definitely I think second tier there, but they're definitely
looking a little bit more like. Better and better.
Ready to ready to compete a little bit?

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See, the reason I'm going to putPenn State always one is the
other two. Penn State might give you a few
years. Florida and LSU.
I mean, like you said, Brian Kelly was 20 games over 500.
It was just like by 20 games over 500.
You said 34 and 14, right? 20 games over 500.
If Brent probably was 28 games over 500 in his fourth year with

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us, we'd lose our damn mind 20 games over.
We'd be happy big and shit. Yeah, I just said that.
But they but they expect to win a national title like every
other year so. Part.
Of the game and to be fair, likeLSU, like if you were to, I've
said this before, if you were todesign A school that was like
the maximal had like every maximal advantage and that you

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could it would be LSU like location resources, you know,
conference history, except, I mean, you know, but that's just
college football. Yeah, cool shit.
They've got so much they they have more or than any other
program. It's crazy.
Yeah, and guess what? All of of the other programs we
talked about, I probably could have gotten to LSU out of high

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school without an issue being exactly known for their academic
standards. Yeah.
The other two we mentioned actually have some.
All right, well, let's get into it.
We do have a game this weekend. 3:00 Hey Tally, we on your
favorite network? We on The CW this weekend.

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Yeah, and I'll tell them what we're going here ain't.
No telling for real. We do have Louisville, and
Louisville is one of the hottestteams in the country right now.
6:00 and 1:00 big win over Miamitwo weekends ago.
And I mean they crushed Boston College.
I think they had 300. I think they went 325 on the

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ground on Saturday against Boston College.
So you know, lot lot of fun to be had.
And let's take a look at a couple of the players on their
team that y'all better know these names because I feel like
the first guy I'm going to mention who's Chris Bell is
going to light us up. Not a highly recruited, I

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shouldn't say highly recruited like a mid three star guy when
he came out of school at a Whereis Yazoo City Ms. Galley?
It's a country place in Mississippi, somebody you
probably don't want to hit. He's probably strong as a ox.
He's he's 62, he's like two O 5.He is currently 11th in the

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country interceptions in receiving yards.
He's got 48 receptions, 687, sixtouchdowns and I mean, I just
like no one has secondary a little bit banged up.
I think he's going to absolutelycrush us.
Brian Shelton, Dally, anything you'll got on him.

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Oh, he's absolutely going to crush us.
Yeah, it's, it's really not. The question is going to be, you
know, what, what's he going to go for?
What's the top? And I'm really, I'm really
concerned. I'm, I'm hoping that the pass
rush, we can at least get what we saw against Cal, but I think

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it's going to be a long game forus unfortunately.
Shout out to All right, show them anything on him.
No, I mean. It's really good.
Yeah, Yeah. I mean just they've got they've
got a lot of, you know, experience and beef on that,

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that D line. So yeah, give.
Me a tough match D line the other the other couple guys to
worry about. You got Moss, who was AUSC guy.
He's balling. I mean, you know what, Jeff
Braun might need the Penn State higher.
He might leave Louisville because he can bring any damn
quarterback in and they just do good.

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I mean, Moss was cast off out ofUSC.
Well, he did not play bad. He's not played great this year.
But it just seems like with JeffBrahm, it's like every year, new
new, new quarterback, same results, competitive team, good
offense. Well, it's it, you know, don't
discount Bryant on Brahm at the AT OC there as well, because he

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does a good job of getting the quarterback settled in running
that offense, leaning on the strengths of what he has on the
roster. You know, I mean they, they
really got guys that can get thejob done at, at, at all three
phases there. And Isaac Brown, you guys do you
want to talk about? Next, I I think about Isaac

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Brown, but I mean, you know, you've already, you know, talked
a little bit about Chris Bell. I mean that's a big dude, man
and playing wide receiver that that size man.
Well, like Carson actually playing receiver.
He's he's going to be easy. He's a big dude, 4/4 speed.

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It's going to be a long game trying to cover him with with
how depleted our secondary is. So I guess that I'm hoping that
we can able to get some pressureon them.
So is there any chance from whatyou've looked at like pass
protection laws? Do they have a wink link?
I mean, I don't think I wouldn't.
I don't know if they this, I have like a a wink, a a weak

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link. I will say that the thing that
sticks out to me is that they seem to have their best graders
be at the most important positions.
So obviously you've got your skill guys, you know, Chris
Bell, Isaac Brown, Miller Moss, all really highly graded.
And then you've got, you know, your center, Pete Nigro, who's
at 69 1/2. He's pretty, pretty low ranked
and then guard Lance Robinson also up there too.

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So I mean the core of their team, interior O lines really,
really good. So that's, you know, that's kind
of their their bread and butter and that's kind of how I have to
build your team successfully all.
Right, there's some I want to say.
Look at this. That's Quest talking crazy.
Tell him, don't tell him. Don't bet no money on that.

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Don't bet the farm on that. But you know, the other thing we
talked about Brown, we hit bell sheltered ransom stuff off.
And this is what scares the bejesus out of you is if you
take a look at what Cajon Brown,who's their backup running back
did on Saturday against BC, he had 10 rushes for basically 95

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yards and a touchdown, 100 and almost 130 from scrimmage with a
huge catch. I guess that's where it's just
like, Jesus, like when you have that much from all over the
place and legitimately, you know, Brahms got a good passing
offense, but when you again, it's it was 319 is what they ran

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on. But here's the sicker part.
Sheldon, can you pull that up? They were 319 on 25 rushes.
Y'all 319 on 25 rushes. We did 357 on 50 something.
That was great. They they was busting big run

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after big run dawg. They thought explosive plays,
man, that's explosive plays. Oh, give, give Shelton a second
here. Give Shelton a second.
He is going to find how many explosive plays they had on
Saturday. Can we just keep it under like?
I mean, Isaac Brown is is is somebody that's going to give us
some problems too, just because it's how versatile he is, Manny,
because he can run it, he can catch it, he can do stuff in

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special teams. He's going to be a little bit
all over the place, I think. Any any luck yet Shelton?
No, I'm, I'm trying to look thatup.
But I will say though, interestingly, their offense
actually doesn't generate a a huge amount of explosive plays.
I mean, they've got, you know, 19 plays of 30 plus yards, you

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know, so that certainly counts for something.
But overall they're actually they're not a huge they're not
overly reliant on big plays for what I can tell.
So I mean, without, you know, necessarily like knowing other
stats, I would have guessed they're much more of like kind
of a, you know, ground and poundhigh success, right type of team
that's, you know, kind of turn out very consistent drives.
They're just not, you know, that's not their their bread and
butter necessarily is the big plays.

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Got it. All right, let's go to Anomaly
then. Yeah, Super Anomaly.
All right, flip over because yousaid you really want to talk
about their defensive line. What?
What you got? Oh me.
Yeah, you the one that you said 05 minutes ago, you were like.
Sorry, bud. Yeah, yeah, we'll go, We'll go.

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Yeah. So the so the big one is Jordan
Gerrad. I hope I'm not butchering that
pronunciation. So he is their best run
defender. Overall grade is over an 80 and
as well as his rush defense grade also had an 80.
So he's a fifth year guy, three-year transfer from Florida
International. So spent three years there now
in his second year with the program.
So he's been in college footballfor five years.

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Obviously bring some experience there.
And then their best pass rusher is Clev Lubin, and he is a 91
overall, which is a really good 92 pass rush.
So he's also a transfer from Coastal Carolina.
So, you know, clearly Brahm has been able to have a lot of
success with transfers in the portal, which isn't something

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you always see, but he's, he's done a really good job,
especially bringing some of those G5 guys up.
So really good evaluation and development on the part of that
staff. They've got some some some real
beef on that, that dip, that defensive line and.
Correct me if I'm wrong, we've almost got Lubin right last year
in the portal. I know we were in the mix for

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for Lubin, yeah. Yeah, OK.
In in Lubin, he he is a team leader along with W Banner
should be W Bailey. They got 4 sacks apiece.
Both are edges, both 6. Lubin's like 63240, Bailey's
like 652-5260. So I mean, you know, not great

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just because like where we are, like what's going on with our
team, but and just keep playing.Couple other guys to mention and
I and I want to figure out what Antonio Watts does.
Brian, did you get enough tape on him to figure out what
they're doing? Because Watts, he's been labeled

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as ADB just about everywhere, but basically he is on pace this
year to kind of shatter what he did last year when it comes to
tackles. So when I see that, it's got to
be a little something different.Yeah, I mean, he's he's a box
safety. He's going to be a little bit of
a hybrid guy. He's going to play really close
to the line of scrimmage, kind of blow up things, kind of that

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spill area from a run perspective.
But he's also got a pretty good coverage skills, definitely can
can lay the lumber on you. So he's a little bit all over
the place. He's definitely the guy that
kind of makes the back end of that defense run just because of
the versatility that he brings to the table on that defense.

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What about Hutchinson because he's the other guy that again
listed as DB second on the team in tackles.
Got to pick bunch of past deflections.
Did you get anything on him? Yeah, I mean, he's a he's a guy
that also is a little bit more, I'd say definitely more oriented
in the in the passing game in the coverage standpoint.

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But he's he's also somebody thatwill get up in there and make
some tackles as well. But he's more of a true, true
safety. Whereas you know, when you look
at a guy like, like Watts, he's truly more of a more of a
hybrid, hybrid safety that's, that's playing really up in the
box on a regular basis. All right, so you got kind of

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five names, Sheldon, any other piece of data to throw on us
before we start talking about, you know, what, what, what,
what, what Marcus says, Quest says and all happened, which is
we're going to pull the the big shock this weekend.
I mean, not really man. Like they're they're 20th
overall in defensive SP plus, sothey're just pretty solid on

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both sides of the ball, 32nd on offense.
So again, they just you know, they from what I can tell, like
they're not like elite at anyonespecific thing.
They're just pretty well-rounded, well balanced.
So, you know, you just, you get not a lot of holes in this team
and that's why they're, you know, 6:00 and 1:00.
In traditional metric, show it too.
They're 14th in the country in total defense.

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When? We beat Louisville.
We beat Louisville this weekend.We got to send Marcus Boundary
Corner Cup or something. I mean, there's got to be some
kind of, we got to give him somekind of.
He called his shot early, so. He always we got.
To send him something. Bro, if he Babe Ruth, if he say
clock this, we going to win. We got to send him something,

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man. I don't know what it's going to
be, but I don't see it happening.
But we, you know, it is what it is.
All right, Well, if you don't. If we win this game, then you
can maybe put me back on board to buying, making a bowl game.
Yeah, because you still got a, you know, very beatable looking
UVA and you still got FSU on theschedule.

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Well, well, well. Tally, let's let's get into it.
This man, the keys like what? What do you think?
Like you saw you seen Louisvilleplay a few times.
Yeah. What?
What's the key? What do we have to do?
I mean, you got to look how you ended the game at Cal.

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You got to start the game now. And it's, it's hard to do, you
know what I'm saying? But you got to have that same
game plan. And when I say that, I mean, you
got to run the ball. You got to make them choose
who's going to hurt them runningthe ball between Kyron Hawkins
and Bully. Connor's not going to be able to

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drop back and throw the ball allover the field.
Just like Justin said, we got topossess the ball.
We got to try to hold the ball some.
We got to have some long drives,sustain some drives.
Even if we only get 3 out of it because we know we like to do in
the red zone. We can't just three and out, get
in the ball, 3 and out, get in the ball.
Kind of how we get in that second quarter.

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What we're doing with Kyle, that's going to be the worst
thing we can do because this team, if we 3 and 9 give them
the ball, they're going to make us pay.
Then you're going to look up andit's going to be 24 to zero, 24
to 7. Then they're going to score some
more and then it's going to get out of hand.
So we've got to control that ball and we have to run the ball

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to be able to control it. John Brown, Whoever wants to go
next, John. I'll let you.
Go. Oh, let me go.
OK, Yeah. I mean, I don't really have a
ton to add to that. I was trying to look up their
their sack totals. Yeah, kind of the fact.

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So yeah, I mean, I guess the bigthing is just like how well can
Vt run the ball? Like you know, like Tally said,
you know, we are not going to have a ton of success in the
traditional drop back passing game.
So, you know, onus is going to be in the online to win up some
holes and running backs to continue kind of doing their
thing. I do feel somewhat more

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confident, as Curtis previously alluded to, that we do have a
head coach who seems to be, you know, have a basic level of
competence in, you know, winningclose games and you know, you're
going to be involved in a lot ofclose games this league.
So if you can at least make it acoin flip, that's good.
You know it's better than you know, having a you know O 91
winning percentage, maybe the worst close game coach ever in

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last 25 years of college football, but nonetheless
beside. The point?
We will hopefully, hopefully, ifit's a tight game, we can manage
to pull this one out. I I love Sheldon just beating
the dead horse there. That's that's, that's so
amazing. I'm going to I'm going to go

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here. So it's a couple things for me.
So obviously I think everybody'skind of talked about it.
We got to run the football. We got to run it successfully.
We got to control town possession, but we've got to be
good in the red zone and finishing drives and getting 7,
not 3 because Louisville is going to be able to score the
football. So if you're not it, it, it

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doesn't matter how much time you're taking off the clock if
you're not getting 7 when you get down there.
So we got to be efficient getting in the red zone and and
scoring the football when we getthere.
Oh, it's my turn now. It's you, yeah.
Well, I want to just beat the old dead horse.
I've been beaten a few weeks here and that's going to be Reds

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on defense because guess what, you went the.
Other way? We're still not that good at
Reds on defense, we're still dead last.
There have been 32 possessions. Teams are scoring 1616
touchdowns. Excuse me, 26 touchdowns and or

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excuse me 1623 touchdowns, 9 field goals.
I'm going to eventually get the shit right.
We are dead last. We are dead last.
We have given up the most threats on scores of anybody in
the country. If you get down there, stop.
Just one stop. And the sad part is we did get a
stop at the 25 on Friday night. Unfortunately they couldn't get

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a couple yards so we can get outof our bats.
Thank thankfully though in the the first overtime they started
at the 25. And they scored, so they didn't
have the 33rd. Score.
Yeah, but red zone, red zone defense, I mean, it, it's been
the biggest challenge all year. And the other thing it's it's

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going to sound the only game they lost this year to UVA, they
had multiple turnovers and you know, it was amazing.
We won the game. We did not turn the ball over it
for Cal. They turned it over on us and
took a sheer 3 off the board, which could have been the game.
So I mean, I know that's basic talk, but it's like if you get

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into, it's just like if they getdown there, because the one
thing about Brahm, he does get hyper aggressive when he gets in
the red zone. They do not like to kick field
goals. So if you get that 4th and three
and they're going for it becausethey just want to try to bury
us, then stop them there, make them pay.

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Is anybody picking us besides Marcus?
Anybody in the chat? I'm gonna, I'm gonna go ahead.
I'll, I'll put, I'll put it out there.
I'm not picking us to win. I am picking us to keep it
probably closer than a lot of people think.
Let me look at the line real quick.
I got it on the phone. Yeah, throw the line in there

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while I'm while I'm talking. I think it's tip and 1/2 right?
Did he go down? Oh shit, I think that it's a
touchdown game. I think.
I think we lose this one like 3220530124 somewhere in that
range all. Right, Shelton.

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I had 3120 Louisville all right.He's saying they're going to
cover the hook. Yeah, playing with the hook
there, playing with the danger zone tally. 3521 similar to what
the Georgia Tech game look like.It's what I feel that I know
we're not going to give up. I feel like we'll, you know, try
to make it a game, give me just a little bit of hope, but not

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really be able to really do it. Because it all it's all going to
come down to like the first half, right?
Because the Georgia Tech game after the first quarter, it was
basically an even game. But when you go down 18 in the
first quarter, like, OK, this game is over.

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Like we do not have the the horsepower to get that caught
back up. I'm I'm, I'm about where Shelton
is. I'll go 3424, like 10 points.
I think we'll fight all the way through.
But yeah, I, I just, I can't do it at that time.

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Can somebody tell that there's an issue when you do this?
That's just numbers. Who's winning the game?
Who's winning the game? I'm.
Going to assume you're you're you're taking.
Oh yeah, we we know who we say is winning the game and it
ain't. What do you think?

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Just just just to put this out here, I want Chris, you sticking
with that? You sticking with that?
Let us know. All righty, let's get ahead and
make some predictions for big screeners.
Brian had to do the walk of shame last Sunday because Brian

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didn't win a damn game last. Week that was a bad, bad
counting for me, for it was funny.
It was already bad. And then like the North Dakota
State game like that, that beinga complete blowout.
Wow, I was. Like OK.
All right. So that even even the one I
thought was I was like, Oh well,at least this one's going to.

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It'll at least make me look likeI know what I'm talking about.
And no, it did not. Not at all.
So everybody else went two and two last week 500 that with us
and you'd have been OK let's. Get to I'm back in the cellar.
Curtis passed me again my. Whole game tally, tally tally

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creeping back towards 500. He might get there for the end
of the season. What this is telling us, Curtis,
though, is don't bet with us. Don't bet with us.
All of. These.
Although you know what the the the craziest thing there was a
few weeks ago where the hook gotevery single one of us twice.
Like the hook, it was like the Notre Dame UFC week.

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It was like 10 1/2. They lost by 11.
I had them there and like Tally had somebody who was like 6 1/2.
They won by a touchdown and it was like a late touchdown.
It was just like mine. All righty.
So what's the first game? Brian, all right here.
We go, it's yours, it's my, my, my game is the first game and

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I'm picking a very interesting one here for several reason.
Memphis Rice. Rice is a 13 1/2 point dog at
home. Obviously Ron Silverfield, who
we've all been trying to keep our own.
That's kind of Shelton, one of his big guys that he likes
potentially taking over as an exHokies coach.
But I want to focus just a little bit on the coach of Rice

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for a couple reasons. First of all, if you don't know
who the coach of Rice is, of Rice is, his name is Scott Abel.
And me and Brian have a little bit of connection to Scott Abel.
Brian's late stepbrother Todd played with Scott at Longwood
University when they went to theD2 College World Series back in
the 90s. Scott Abel was actually in my

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fraternity. And if you look at Scott Abel,
you ever, you ever want to talk about literally coming from the
ground level, the ground level of coaching to get up to
Division One, Scott Abel's it. Scott Able coached at Albemarle,
Weston, Albemarle, Alta Vista, Liberty, Amherst County.

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Only Albemarle of those schools,Brian are like it's 5A up here.
They're only, that's the only big school he coached at for
basically the 1st 15 years of his coaching career.
He then went to Washington and Lee as the OC, then the head
coach, then Davison and then Rice.
And so it's cool to see this because it still happens.

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And and even though I'm not going to pick with him because I
think still feeling them going to blow them off the doors, the
doors off of them is still to see cool stories like this and
someone that you know again, he's he's he's significantly
older than me, but was in my fraternity in college connection
with Brian with his dad were playing baseball with him back

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in the early 1990s. But as far as pit goes, Scott, I
hope you keep doing what you're doing, man.
But Memphis by 21 Sheldon. Yes, I am taking Memphis.
God bless Rice, man. It's a tough, it's a tough job,
but I think Memphis is a wagon. Beating USF last week, kind of

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taking control of that of that conference, and I love, I love
the job that Silverfield's doing.
So rolling with the Tigers. Tally.
I got to go with benefits, man. I mean, Curtis gave us a cool
story and ain't going to help him on the field.
Even I admit that cool story andnot going to help him, but he is

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4/4 in his first year down there.
There you go. That's pretty impressive.
Yeah, I'm riding with Memphis aswell of the, you know, college
coaches I've got some tenuous line of connection with.
I'm I'm going to go with the theone that actually coached me on
this one. So and that's no knock to Abel.

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I think him taking a little bit of a winding path is is great
going from D3 after coaching high school football for so, so,
so long and then going to D1 nonscholarship and then jumping up
to to Rice. Now I think that's a that's a
pretty crazy path to get there at 55 S Hats off to him, but

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it's going to be the the Tigers.All righty, who's up next in
their game? Tally.
It's the tally, it's the tally. It's it's.
It's the beamer bowl part. Keep it going, man.
I got to see what he's going to do every week.
Once I started that that gauntlet that he was going

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through, I got to see it through.
I actually, I'm going to take South Carolina in this game.
I just feel like I watched him last week against Alabama and I
feel like the little bit of the curse Virginia Tech has on them.
Shane has inherited that some things that are going to go

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wrong is going to go wrong for him.
He'll make it close, but still going to lose.
So I would say probably Ole Misswins this game by 10 points all.
Right. Tally, I'm right there with you.
I think this is going to be one of those games where South

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Carolina hangs around, hangs around, hangs around, but can't
get it done at the end. You know, we saw it a little bit
against Alabama. We've seen it a couple other
times this year. I think we're going to see it
again. So I think it could be 8 or 9
point win by Ole Miss, but I think South Carolina will do
enough to cover that 12 1/2. Well, hold on Sheldon.

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I'm first. I got it.
I got it. Hold on.
I do have to say this regardless, and I know whether
you like Shane, hate Shane and whatnot.
Tally his kids are still fighting their asses for me.
They they had Bama on the roads last weekend and it crumbled
late unfortunately. So, So what I hate to hear,

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though, no disrespect to them, but what I hate to hear about
Shane and they put I got to quithaving this malice in my heart
toward him just because I feel like he has so much malice in
his heart, heart toward VirginiaTech.
He put so much on that first game, you know, and I get it.
It was emotional. That's where his dad coached.

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You know, you got to talk about his kids and hanging, hanging
the game ball to his dad and we talked about his kids fighting.
They're not going through adversity.
They have everything that's supposed to, they were supposed
to be a, a playoff team. I mean, they said that they had
the number one quarterback, Theysaid they had the number one

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defender. They said they had the number
one wide receiver. And you keep losing games.
So fighting is not the word. They are failing.
He needs to go win some games. You, you had Alabama on the
ropes. You're supposed to beat Alabama.
You got all the stuff to beat them.
He just doesn't coach his teams to win.

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They felt like I think I've seenone of the South Carolina fans
put a a tweet on on on X and he was like, in this moment, I just
knew everything in the world wasright.
And it was the first series of it was Virginia Tech.
You know what I'm saying? Well, they just drove the ball
and rammed it down. I throw their fans thought they
were going to the playoffs afterthat and now they came back down

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to earth. So I'm loving it.
I'm a hater. So what?
I hope Lane Given. I hope Lane Kiffin scores 70
points on him. I really do.
And I think Lane keeps cover and.
Keep him away from Virginia Tech.
I'm going to throw that in too. Lanes don't cover because last
week they chain got me. He didn't get me this week.

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Almost by 21. Yeah, I feel like, I feel like
South Carolina's on the verge of, you know, kind of quitting.
So I had to. Granted, I thought that last
week too, but I will be taking Ole Miss.
I just don't like, I don't like the vibes from the Gamecocks
right now. They're in some hot water.
Lots of discourse around the coach getting fired and it's
never, never a good sign. So you telling me I'm the only

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one with Brian? Change it, change it.
Give me all this. I don't want to be.
With Brian like that sounds. Don't put me on, please.
Come on now. It's a stinking ship over there
buddy. Cox will not be able to handle

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old piss. It's hurting.
My heart, it's hurting my heart,Tyler.
I Who's next? Shelton.
And Oh my God, what? A Let's go.
All right, I went a little bit with the wild card here, but
this is in my opinion, the best G5 game of the week.
This week. Navy and North Texas, two really
good teams in the American. I think it will be a low

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possession, low scoring game, but I will take Navy to cover.
I think the Schmidt shipment will get a big win and try to
assert themselves for supremacy in the American.
Tally I'm. Going to go with Navy as well.
I just like watching the play. It's fun, you know what I'm

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saying? Like a bag just said, North
Texas has been fun to watch too.Great game by child.
I would have never picked that game as a big Serena.
It's because I didn't pay enoughattention.
But once he put it up, I was like, you know what, It's
probably going to be a pretty cool game to watch, you know
what I'm saying? Just chilling watching football.
Let's watch that one. So I think Navy is going to pull
it out though. Yeah, this is this is an

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interesting one, like really kind of clash of styles and
things like that. So it's going to be a fun one to
watch on the screen I feel like.But I'm going to take Navy to
not only take the victory here, I think they'll they'll win
maybe about about a touchdown. So I'll go with Navy.
You just said complete clash of styles Navy #1 rushing offense

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in the country. North Texas is the #5 passing
offense in the country. It's all going to come down to
possessions. And can North Texas like, stop
Navy at least once driving the ball?
I don't think they can. I think Navy wins this game.

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I think I'm with you, Ryan. It's like a touchdown.
Like Navy does something stupid like gets the ball with 11
minutes to go in the fourth quarter tie game and they drive
it and literally score like 8 seconds left because we've seen
that shit happen. So there we go.
We're all the do you want to change your mind on this one too
Tally because Brian went with this one as well.

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I can't be with him by myself ifI if I got other people on there
just can't be. It's like if if we on a scary
movie and we're we're all tryingto get to safety.
I'm not going with Brian. He does not have a good track
record to run away from Texas Chainsaw Mexico.

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I don't. Want to go?
We got it. Always.
Wants to see what's going on upstairs and then Sheldon's
going to find a way for us to get out and at least try to go
get some help. Brian's going to go hide in the
in the cellar with the hooks andevery time.
Oh, he is just phone you, Brian.That's all right.

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What? What a fun.
What a fun episode, boys. Anything else before we get
ready to close this week? We got one more, man.
Yeah, one more. Oh, you'll even be hanging.
You'll even. Be hanging, you don't even.
Want me to pick? We we will see something here

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too. Go for it, Brian.
All right, so if you told me at the start of the season that in
this matchup Texas would not have the Heisman hopeful, I
would have called you a fucking liar.
But here we are. The Heisman hope hopeful in this
matchup is Diego Pavia and not Arch Manning.

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So for that very reason, I'm taking Randy.
I just don't think Texas is thatgood of a team.
They should have lost Mississippi.
They should have lost to Mississippi State, and Dang,
they should have. Honestly, they should have lost
Mississippi State last week and they should have lost to
Kentucky. They should be something like 2

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and 6. I think that'd be about right.
Give me Vandy, give me a point and a half.
Vandy wins. Yeah, well, this is actually
easy pick for me, and it sounds insane to say this, but I
actually think this is a trap game for Vanderbilt.
I think Texas has easily a top three, a top three defence in
the country. Their defence I think is really

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underrated with all the talk about Ohio State and I think I
think Vanderbilt's just due for a let down.
So that's why I took Texas Pain link.
In, in in our lifetimes, did we ever think that Vanderbilt would
be in a trap game? Vanderbilt.

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Bizarre word. Yeah, kind of crazy sicko mode.
I thought it was going to be thesame kind of like you said, trap
game. They came and and Vanderbilt
came off of a tough game last week.
You know, Missouri's a tough team.
They ended up losing their quarterback very close game.
Then going into this game, I think a lot of people are

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overlooking Texas, but then alsoI've seen the line and I was
like Vegas always knows something, right?
So I was like, yeah, I think I'mgoing to take Texas in this just
because of the kind of how they had it set up.
I know it's pick em but I think Texas takes it.
This is basically a true pick emright with the 1 1/2 point.
That's basically like field. Yeah, it's basically well, yeah,

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it's the true pick em. So no not the true pick em
because Texas could win 2827 andyou get the hook and Vandy takes
the win. Yeah, and I thought the default
advantage for a home team is a point and 1/2 so.
I thought it was 2 1/2. That's 2 1/2, yeah.
It's two and a half, 2 1/2, That's 2 1/2.

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Yeah. All right.
Now, is there anything else you'd like to bring up and talk
about or is anything that's breaking in the last 80 minutes
here? Nothing really breaking, but I
will go back and touch on again that I don't know what got into
coaching money after the game. He was crying, he was emotional.

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I don't know who he was coachingthat game for.
I don't know who was telling that man he better win.
But shout out to him for gettingout there and putting his all
in. The trying to get WS, trying to
get some of these kids to the next level, trying to get some
kids seen because again, it is fun to see a team that is

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playing hard, a staff just having fun kids that are just
out there doing what they do. So again, wasn't expecting to
see him that emotional in that game.
But maybe we can bring some of these these those emotions to
this Louisville game and let's make another memory.
Media staff has been on .2. Have y'all seen a new video yet?

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Haven't seen it yet. When you get off here, when you
get off here, they got the video.
You know, when you look at your phone, they tell you turn it
sideways. When that phone, when that phone
goes sideways, you know, somebody's cooking.
I don't. Do that.
I'm going to do that then. Anything else, gentlemen?
Yeah, media, media team has beencooking all year.

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And I mean, this is just anotherexample.
I mean, they they've been knocked out of the park and
unfortunately we haven't given awhole lot of wins where they can
really like lean into it, but but what they've been able to
put out there has been great. All right, they're just getting
warmed up when James come in. Getting warmed up with James.

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Well, whoever comes in, whoever it may be, because it's going to
be, I think it's going to be it's, it's going to have to be
God awful to get us upset. It's got to be God awful if
we're sitting here on the Mondayor Tuesday after the UVA game
and we're mad, you know, they didn't do something terrible

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wrong. So you don't know.
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