Drive Thru News #61: Mechanical Tricks & Trackside Treats

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Welcome to drive throughepisode number 61.
What do we have guys?
What do we wanna talk about this time?
I mean, Halloween isright around the corner.
Oh yeah.
Are you gonna dress up asthe scariest thing ever?

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A Nissan Ultima?
I don't know if I would do that.
If I acted my age.
That'd be pretty scary.
That's what my daughterskeep telling me all the time.
They keep telling you to act your age.
85. Yes, exactly.
It's true, true, true.
Do they have those SpiritHalloween costume packs?
That's for Nissan Ultima drivers?
I think it comes with a restraining order.
That was a thing a coupleof years ago, right?

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You could dress up as PorscheClub members and then they'd
be, they had BMW Club members.
You could always dress upas Corvette owners too.
You got the new balance.
The White Sox, the Jorts.
Halloween is right around the corner.
Have you picked your costume?
Are you gonna resurrect oneof your previous costumes?
Do you still have the unicorn onesie?
I do, but I upgraded.
Aren't you cookie that stuff?
She's for cookie.

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Yeah.
I'm pulling to seeTanya's Tomb Raider again.
'cause I thought that was pretty snappy.
You know, it's funny you bring that upbecause October seems to be the month
where stuff has just broken or gone wrong.
We have some issues on the clubhouseside of our website where we
have to rebuild the vault becauseit's gotten a little too big.
And I was going through some photosand I just happened to hit upon our

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road Atlanta trip where we dressed upfor Halloween for that Chin Track day.
It's amazing.
You look back at some of the stuffwe did pre COVID, it's really crazy.
The antics that we got up tojust almost week after week,
not just month after month.
It was absolutely bonkers.
We tried to be pre COVID recently, andthen the, the universe worked against us.
I, I'm getting to that.

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You know, I, I wrote anarticle about it too.
I read it.
There's some typos.
Of course there are.
It's okay.
Eric and Tanya, given the recent news thatjust came out that, you know, the average
new car price has crept up to $50,000.
Let's talk about, do you want to spend$50,000 on a brand new car or nickel

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and dimming to keep your old car alive?
Eric, what's going on in your world?
What would you do When itrains, it pours, right?
So it's like.
Brad, your car, why is it whatyour stuff's always super easy
where you show up with a carthat hasn't run in six years.
I throw a fuel pump in it and itruns no problem, no issues, no
check engine lights, no nothing.
Wait.
There's no check engine lightsthat I can tell at the moment.

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It's fantastic
breaking news.
Pumpkin spice lives.
It does.
That is, it was a miracle.
We have video proof that it lives.
Video proof.
It'll be on the website.
No, it won't.
I'm amazed.
It runs on that turpentineThat's in the tank too.
That tank is full, by theway, the gas tank is full.

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Yes.
Uh, so we need to drainit nearly full, right?
Yeah, just burn it off.
Just run it for a while.
It'll be fine.
We'll do the Ferris Buellerthing and put it up on stands
in reverse and it'll be perfect.
Yeah, we gotta run them clock back.
Maybe it's like a communicative disease.
You know, you bring anotherVolkswagen into the equation.
So your car gave my carCOVID, I think is what it did.

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Another 14 day quarantine.
Uh, now I'm plagued with all these issues.
I had a radiator that started leaking.
I had all this other stuff and then itjust bad to worse throughout the entire
weekend, just absolutely drove me nuts.
Did you ever get it figured outwhere I stand at the moment?
I got the Jeep situation figured out,which was also part of this mess.
The Jeep and the Volkswagenare different species.

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How did they contract the same diseases?
Avian, flu, all thebirds can get it right.
That's what it is.
There's so many movingparts to this equation.
The Volkswagen I knew had a radiatorproblem, and I thought it was one
of the fixtures on the radiator.
Either the sensor for the fans orthe spigot at the bottom or whatever.

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Something was leaking because it'sa 20-year-old radiator, whatever.
Turns out the radiator end capswere leaking on the driver's side,
and it literally dumped all itsfluid in my driveway very slowly.
So I ordered a new one.
I was like, ah, it's not a big deal.
Rip the front end of the car apart, changethe radiator out, you know, da da da.
Half a day's work.
Okay, fine.
So while I'm doing all that,I run out of antifreeze.

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When I go to go refill it,it's like I run into town.
It's like, oh.
And then I get in the Jeep andthe freaking service engine lights
come on, oil change due, blah.
I was like, all right, wellI'm headed to AutoZone anyway.
I might as well get oil while I'm at it.
You know, come back engine's hot,drain the oil, do the fuel filters.
I'm working on two carssimultaneously, right?
There were a couple other thingsI needed to do to the Volkswagen

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a BS sensors, which as we know asVolkswagen owners, they don't come out
unless you have a hammer and chisel.
So I beat all of them out.
E even though they all didn'tneed to be changed, they only
needed to do two of them.
I figured I'll just do allfour of them and they're fresh.
'cause the, the other, the othertwo would've gone bad like a month
later, thousand percent becausethat's just the way it works.
Got rid of my a BS lightand my brake light.

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That would come on randomlybecause I had two a BS sensors
that were bad, so, okay, fine.
Took care of that.
'cause I did a system scan and it's like,oh, you have a bad cam sensor on cam two.
I'm like, okay, cool.
I'll order those too.
They're actually super easy to change.
You know, you can actually get to them.
There's not a ton of stuff in the way.
This is where things startedto get slightly pear shaped.

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So I put two new cam sensors in again,figuring, well if one's gonna go,
might as well do the other one too.
And then the car did nothing butthrow check engine lights constantly.
Cam one was bad, cam onewas bad, cam one was bad.
I'm like, it's a brand new sensor.
So unless I misordered them and they'renot the same, I ended up putting

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the factory Bosch one back in that'sliterally 20 years old and it runs fine.
And so I'm like, okay, cool.
I drove it around, rangrape, blah, blah, blah.
So the next day, Tanya and I,we get a call from Porsche Al,
we go over to his house 'causehe's having a problem with his V.
It was like VW weekend.
Everybody's having an issue.
Right?
Get over to Porsche, Al's house.
He's got this old Jetta.

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He's complaining thatfifth gear disappeared.
Well, turns out the bushings inside thecar, another known fail point on all Mark.
Four Volkswagens.
He never changed the bushings.
He apparently ordered them and then lostthem, and he's gonna order them again.
It's a whole kerfuffle.
I told him, I said, there's noamount adjusting on this planet
that I can do to this shift.
Linkage fifth is never gonna be found.

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'cause there's literally not enoughmaterial to get the cables over there.
Like you need to replace all that.
Could you find parts from Home Depot?
I could have, but it wasn't worth it.
There's a kit from DieselGeek in Texas for 50 bucks.
Takes care of the problemfor the rest of your life.
Not Kerm and TDI?
No, no, no, no.
Diesel geek.
Got it.
Driving back with the Jeep, wego to go merge on the highway.

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I made it, I don't know, 25 yards.
Down the off ramp and we heardthis pop whoosh sound come from
somewhere in the engine compartment.
And I'm like, man, we justtotally lost all boost.
And then big red lights onthe center dash and it's like
service throttle control module.
And I'm like, oh no.
I went through this once beforewhen the Jeep was newer and the,

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it was covered under warranty.
It's like a $4,000replacement to do this thing.
'cause it's a module on the transmission,it connects to the throttle position
sensor and you can do all thisstuff and it, it's a nightmare.
It was in, it was in theshop for like a week, right?
For them to do this.
And I'm like, I am not lookingforward to this one bit.
Luckily the Jeep has torques.
It has a lot of torques.

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Yeah, mind you, Sunday morningpeople are going to church, going
to brunch, wherever they're going.
We've managed to keep upwith traffic with no boost.
I'm like fooling the transmission.
I'm playing with the throttle to getit to shift and get it to downshift
and like all this kinda stuff.
It locks out the manual controls.
So you can't use the flappy paddles,you can't put it in sport mode

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and God forbid you turn it off.
So it's like, let's just get home.
We limp all the way homeand then I just park it.
And we were supposed to go to a trunkor treat at the Carlisle Fairgrounds
where they hold, you know, Corvettes ofCarlisle and the GM Nationals and the
Ford Nationals and all these big shows.
And we even did a swap meetthere many, many years ago.
Again, going through allthese pictures in the fall.

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Do you remember when we did the Euroshow and sold off all that stuff?
Yep.
So same place, right?
Pack up the fam, we're gonnago to the trunk or treat.
I decided to take the Volkswagenbecause it's ready to go.
Everything's fixed.
You know, the doctorcleared it for service.
I make it, I don't know, five, sixmiles from the house, not even.
And we're in a line of cars going upnorth towards Pennsylvania and suddenly

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it just starts bucking and lurching.
And the EPC light on the dashboardis flashing, which is the equivalent
to the service throttle controlmodule that was on the Jeep.
And I'm like, it's been two hours.
Did the cars talk to each other?
Are they in cahoots?
What the hell's going on here?
Delusion.
So we're on the side of the road.
I pull off into this like little farmat, I don't even know what to call it.

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Like dude shows up with a tractor.
He is like, y'all allright, you need anything?
And I'm like, if you don'thave an OBD scanner, no.
Uh, you know I can't do anything for you.
You wanna keep one in the car?
I should.
At this point I should.
I've got like 12 different kinds too,which is the ironic part, realizing that
it was the EPC and thinking back to lastyear, I had an issue where I was driving

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to meet up with Mountain Mandan and thecar started doing some weird stuff on
the highway, like bucking and lurchingand whatever, but I was able to reset it
by, you know, doing the old key trick.
You're like 60 miles an hour, killthe ignition, pop the clutch, turn
it back on, and just keep going.
Right?
And it, it cleared itself outand showed itself every now and
again, just a weird hesitationwhen you're going down the highway.
Everything I read online, it's likethrottle body, throttle position sensor.

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It's all together, right?
It's all electronic.
It's all also, again, 20 plus years old.
So I'm like, oh man.
It finally kicked the bucket.
I popped the hood.
I get out.
I pulled both connectors from thecam sensors just in case something
was weird with those because theywere giving me issues before.
And I also popped the connectorto the throttle body and
we let it sit for a minute.
Plugged everything back in.

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Bra fires up and we're like, cool.
We're gonna get the heck outta here.
Make it 50 yards.
Buck, buck, buck.
Car's running like crap.
Pull into the air park and then mywife has to come, bring me the scanner
and you know, kind of help bail meout and all those kind of things.
So to make a long story short, wekept doing this every couple miles
and then the car would fail and I wastrying to get it home in limp mode.

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The Volkswagen though, it hastorque two, the computer will not
let it go above 20 mile an hour.
It's pathetic, right?
At least the Jeep, I mean,we could get it up to 70.
As long as you played with thetransmission and you kept it
within the power band where itwould make torque, it was fine.
You could keep up with traffic.
The Volkswagen was impossible.
Finally, it just died rightin front of a restaurant.

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So we pulled in.
We found an open parking spot, and thenthis other VW owner comes running over.
He's got an eos, you know, juststarts helping us push the car.
So we backed it into a spot.
I called aaa, they towed me home.
What did you get to eat at the restaurantwhile you were waiting for aaa?
Nothing.
Nothing.
Well, that sounds like a bad time then.
You should have said, wentinside and sat and ate.

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What was it?
At least a good restaurantlike what was it?
Was it Denny's?
No, it was a diner.
Perfect.
You should have went in and got some pie.
I feel like you did yourself a disservice.
You're not wrong about that.
If AAA had done what they normally do,which is we'll be there in 20 minutes and
three hours later they show up instead.
This guy, he was there, had us hookedup and delivered in less than an hour.

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Domino's isn't even that fast, right?
It's like, boom, done.
There was no time to get piebecause we were in and out.
There's always time for pie.
I'm tired, I'm defeated, I'm deflated.
Both cars are down.
I'm just like, you gotta be kidding me.
To make matters worse than wedecided to watch the Formula
One race, which we'll get to.

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So jump ahead to Monday.
The Jeep's fixed with a bunch ofMacGyvering, a bunch of mistakes.
I was able to come up with a solution andwhere the problem came from, I was right.
What I heard was not incorrect.
It was a boost leak, likesomething in the system blew apart.
It's not where I expectedit to blow apart.

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And so, you know, the ECU saysunder boost, and I'm like,
okay, it's all turbo related.
Either I blew up the turbo or it'ssomething in the intercooler system broke.
Not a problem.
What was going on is itwas separating mind you.
After almost five years of beingon the car, the silicone adapter
for my inner cooler kit kept comingoff the throttle body, and so it
was just venting to atmosphere.

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So the, the motor was literallypulling no air filter, no nothing.
It was just pulling whatever airit could from under the hood.
Can you reenact that motionagain for our viewers?
What was that motion?
Yeah, yeah.
For those that don't have that can't see.
It's the shake weight motion.
So anyway.
Some MacGyvering, some trial anderror, some test driving and whatnot.

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What I ended up doing was I wentback to the factory part, cut
it and made a hybrid solution.
I basically forced their siliconeto work with the metal and I made a
piece that actually holds on, likeyou can put full Brad strength on it.
It's not coming off of thethrottle body now, which is nice.
When I drove it, it feels peppierbecause now there's not boost

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leak at the throttle body.
I feel like you did yourself a disservice.
Again, not fixing it with Volkswagenparts 'cause that's what we tend to do.
Well, I used the Volkswagen Band clampbecause I needed something bigger.
That counts.
Okay.
Counts.
That counts.
All right.
That that works.
You know, I'm waiting on a throttlebody for the Volkswagen, but
that'll get fixed soon enough,so that should be pretty easy.

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My only fear is that these days, thequality of the parts is what scares me.
The 20-year-old part lasted 20 years.
The new parts that are coming fromcity of industry, China, if they
last 20 minutes, I'll be happy.
You know, and it is sort of likeHarbor Freight, you know what I mean?
If it lasts 30 days.
You're doing pretty good.

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Yeah, they're like single use tools.
I have a similar problem experience,the similar Poltergeist on the beetle
right now that I can't get it tonot have a check engine light or
not have a failed readiness state.
And one of my codes wasCAM position sensor.
So I changed the cam position sensor.
Still have the code, find out that maybeit's the crankshaft position sensor

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change, crankshaft position sensor.
Still have the code, wait, put theoriginal 20 some odd year old camshaft
position or sensor back on, oh, Idon't have a code anymore regarding.
I got a different code now for somethingelse, but I don't have that code anymore.
But I bought a German part.
Yeah, I was gonna say Eric, howcome you're buying parts from China?
Can you still get a OEM?

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Well you can still buy, so like I couldhave bought Bosch OEM or genuine VW Audi
cam shop sensor for like $300, right?
Or then you look at the made inGermany, blah, blah, blah, one for 30.
Yeah.
How do you know what the differenceis and how do you know that that other
company didn't make it for Bosch andthey put, you know, I don't know.

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So to your point, the throttlebodies for the 24 valve VR sixes,
they are no longer available.
Nobody has them unless you buythem Chinese made or whatever
it is, like finding a genuineBosch or a genuine Volkswagen.
One's gonna come from a third partyreseller from basically a salvage yard.
Or you know, somebody like a, like astrip search or a Ola or one of those

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companies that just takes those carsapart and they got parts on the shelf.
You know, that kind of thing.
New is not always the option.
And I mean, I looked everywhere,whether it was ECS or FCP or Euro
tuning or Rock Auto or O 34 Motorsport.
I mean, you just go down thelist of German man, the, even the
obscure ones, Blauer, Newgen, andtwo Bennett, like, does anybody
have this part from 20 years ago?
And the answer is no.

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You just kind of get what you getand you're not gonna be upset.
Now the question is, do Ineed to buy another one?
To have it on the shelf ifand when this one fails.
Right.
That becomes the bigger problem.
Yes.
Or keep an eye out for one on eBay,which is where I also started looking
and I have bought some parts andoddly enough parts from Eastern block
countries like Latvia and whatnot.

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It's actually been reallygood quality stuff.
I've ordered things for the Volkswagensand for the Jeep from that part of
the world, and I've had zero issueseven coming from like record yards
and stuff out there where it'slike euro only parts kind of thing.
No issues.
Now granted, we're in a new worldnow with tariffs and shipping and UPS
throwing packages away because theydon't know how to charge you for the

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tariffs and all that kind of stuff.
Unfortunately, I, I'm in a positionof if I wanna drive the car, I'm
gonna have to get what I can get.
And irony of ironies the place, Ifound parts that have actually been
rather decent, I'm gonna use that word.
I don't wanna say they'regood, but they're decent.
So far I haven't had a failure rateon anything I've ordered from Amazon.
Interesting.

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So I ordered my throttle body from Amazon.
On the blue car before I sold it,I ordered an AC compressor from,
it wasn't Amazon, it was Walmart.
Really?
You got the AC compressor from Walmart?
Yep.
I would've never thought to look there.
Uh, I didn't.
I did a Google search and Walmart cameup and they had had it in stock and
that was why I bought it from them.
It didn't work, but Ibought one from Walmart.

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It, it may have worked.
I never got a chance to test it.
Oh.
Because I didn't, I didn't rechargethe system or anything like that.
So maybe it worked, maybe it didn't.
Uh, well, in my world, so youall have issues with your cars.
Let me talk about the issuesI've got with my, with my truck
please.
I hear silence.
What, what issues do you, oh, none.
Ah.

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Must be nice.
Must be nice.
I mean, granted karma, I'm probably gonnago out and it's not gonna start, and I'm
gonna have four flat tires and whatever.
No, you should have bought a Toyota.
That's, that's all I'm gonna say.
How many miles does yourtruck have on it these days?
Uh, 86,000.
That's a baby.
It's just a baby.
It's just a baby, butit's eight years old.

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And the only issues I've hadoutside of normal maintenance
is the first week I had it.
There was a transmission sensorthat was faulty from the factory.
Yeah, they replaced it like immediatelyand then I had a battery die prematurely.
I put a new battery in and Ihaven't had to do anything to it
since regarding repairs, so I haveto kind of separate the thoughts.

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Right.
The Volkswagen is old.
It's 23 years old this year.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
And stuff's gonna go bad, right?
Yes.
It just is.
Especially old electronics things withservos and gears and stuff gets gummed up.
You know, I was reading online,there's guys that will take throttle
bodies and those electronic throttleposition sensors, you can send
'em off and have 'em rebuilt.
There's companies that dothat might be worth it.

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Yeah, exactly.
There's companies that dothat with dashboards and
stuff from like the old days.
That I'm not, I'm not too worriedabout because I kind of feel
like I got my money's worthoutta my throttle body, right?
It is what it is.
I am curious to open it,see what's wrong with it.
Maybe it's shear a toothor or something like that.
But the Jeep, as you know, 156,000miles now 11 years old, it's
been knock on wood, reliable.

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I've really had no issues with it.
So my thing is the issue I had, whichsuddenly reared its ugly head after
five years of having this intercoolerkit on the car, it's old silicone.
The silicone goes bad.
I had the same problem with the factorycharge hose or whatever the hose is
called, into the throttle body on the TDI.
Something happens to the rubberand it just didn't matter how tight

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you squeeze the band clamp on.
It would pop off.
It would pop off, and it would popoff, and it ended up buying a new one.
And you could actually seewhen you put them side by side,
it had like shrank slightly.
So like with age and time, it just,and the same thing would happen.
You were driving down the road andit would go p and then suddenly you
couldn't get out of your own way.
And I, there's so many times like, letme pull over and I'm on the highway,

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pull over on the side of the road,tighten it back up, and then you'd
go 10 minutes down the road and p andthen you weren't accelerating anymore.
So there's something with.
The rubber and the siliconethat Yeah, it ages out.
And I'm not blaming one sideor the other with the Jeep.
If you look at how that throttlebody is designed, it's dumb.
Oh yeah.
The way it's made is specific tothe connector that they developed.

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Yeah.
Which is like nothing else had they madeit, you know, like a standard rib slip a
hose over in a turbo clamp, you could putanything you wanted on there, but it's
specifically designed for that piece.
But they all do it.
'cause even the Volkswagenwas specifically designed
with the, what do you call it?
Not a pin, but it's got the collar, yeah.
Bracket that slips around it.

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And even that, like there's play in it.
So Kma sells kits or whatever, wherebasically they create a collar on it
to clamp it and like force it that it,it can't wear it over time where it
wears out their proprietary BS thing.
Keeps it all nice and tightso you're not losing boost.
But I don't know why they all do that.
Like what's the reason?
Proprietary, it's likeovercomplicating something.

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Exactly.
And in my case people are probablygoing Well why did you even
change those pipes to begin with?
Well first of all, the inner cooler kit ismetal and it doesn't expand or contract,
which is a problem with the factory onebecause they would swell and then the
pipes would burst because they were thin.
The one in particular at the top,at the throttle body, the way they
designed it, it sits up next to thefan housing and by engine vibration you

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could, I showed Tanya a picture of it.
It starts to wear into the pipe.
So it's gonna end upeventually cutting it.
Now the section that I salvaged to makemy adapter piece is nowhere near that.
It's up at the throttle body, soI only needed a couple of inches
and I discarded the rest of it.
Horror design or otherwise, whatever.
I mean, it's gone this long withoutan issue and hopefully it goes
another 10, 20 years without an issue.

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Which circles back toyour original point, Brad.
I still think it's cheaper to keep her.
Now I've got a question for you, you andme to an extent, and certainly Tanya are.
More mechanically inclinedthan your average auto buyer.
Well, and that's the thing, giventhe repairs that you just had to do

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and not knowing about Amazon Auto,right, and ECS or Euro tuning or
whatever, your car breaks, AAA tosyou to a shop In your estimation.
I know you don't know for certain.
Let's start with the Volkswagen.
How much would it havecost, labor and parts.
To fix the Volkswagen at anyreasonably priced independent shop?

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$800. $800 to tell me theycouldn't find the parts for it.
Let's start there.
Yeah.
There's that.
Assuming the part was available.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Assuming they got the part, theygot it at whatever their cost is
and they charge you 10% markup.
If they bought an OEM part, easily300 bucks Probably for the part, yeah.

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Three, 400.
There are some shops thatexclusively deal in OEM parts, right?
They won buy aftermarket, so No, no, no.
A hundred percent.
What would you say it would cost youand then we'll, we'll turn to the Jeep.
The Jeep, because thepiping had been changed.
If you took it to a shop.
Like a regular shop, not like anauto fab or a machine shop or you

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know, any fabricator or whatever.
I would've told you to putthe factory parts back on it.
Yeah, exactly.
And then you're gonna buy them new.
And at that point I'm like,well, I have 'em in a box, I'll
just put 'em back on myself.
It is not an easy job because yougot, again, you gotta take the front
end to part to get to all that stuff.
Yeah.
But Susie May with her, her own Jeep that.
Takes it to the dealershipfor service and stuff.
She decides to go to an independentplace, you know, to get it fixed.

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We probably, for that issue thathe had, you're probably talking 200
bucks for the upper pipe and thenthe labor, how was it made stock?
Because like that same elbow pipe,well, it's not an elbow on the Jeep,
but the elbow pipe and the Volkswagen,I think was like $75 or something.
It's really big.
It's like two and a half feet long.
Okay.
So maybe one 50.

(23:52):
And then even though it's five minutesto change an hour of labor, so 300.
Three 50.
Most shops charge what?
A hundred?
A hundred?
125. Closer to one 50.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, so one 50 labor.
Let, let's be on the, the, the highside, be a little more conservative.
So one 50 labor, youknow, an hour to do it.
And then an hour, 150, $200 in parts.

(24:12):
So, okay, so three 50 like Tanyawas saying, and then Tanya with your
issue, and then the troubleshooting.
'cause you had to do some troubleshootingtoo, even when you got the parts.
Oh my God.
With my issues and what they'reprobably gonna end up being.
Well, if they were gonna buy me OEMparts, I'd have to go back and look.
But I think it was a couple hundreddollars for a crankshaft position sensor
and even that camshaft position sensor.
So since the codes were confusingto me 'cause it threw different

(24:35):
codes and probably there's nothingactually wrong with the CAM and
it's actually is the crank one.
If they did change both, you're alreadybanging on $400 or $500 just in parts.
Right.
It's not hard to change.
'cause the cam is very easy.
You gotta charge youminimum of an an hour.
Yeah.
The crankshafts a little more trickyto get to easily another hour there.

(24:57):
So you're knocking on, whatdo we add up to four or five?
You're like 600 bucks maybe.
And don't forget markup on parts andthen all the shop fees because the
environmental, this and the Yeah,we used the fingers worth of grease.
The previous part disposal fee to Right.
All the BS that is justcash in their pocket.
I mean, I get it.
They gotta pay the bills andthey gotta keep the lights on.

(25:18):
So to the original question.
If these parts go another 20years, that's $600 divided out.
Over 20 cost of ownershipthere is still low.
To pull that thread a little further,you've got a car that you own outright.
It's completely paid off.
So you're not putting seven, eight,$900 a month into a car payment.

(25:38):
You're putting that into a savingsaccount to absorb issues like this.
Right.
So to Eric's point, you know, as we comefull circle, I'm gonna say something
that they say about marriages andstuff, it's just a joke, but it's,
it's cheaper to keep her, it's cheaperto keep your old car on the road.
Yeah.
Running always a hundred percent.
Unless you're driving something thatjust like is super niche, like a, an

(26:01):
old Maserati or something that justby turbo is immediately a money fit.
Exactly.
You just run it off a cliff.
You put the track insurance on it.
Then you take it to the track and youpurposefully run it into the wall and
total it so you get your money back.
It declared value anyway, the point isit's still cheaper to keep your old car on
the road than it is to go buy, especiallyif your car's only like 10 years old.

(26:24):
Yeah.
It's already got the updated safetystuff that the old, old cars don't have.
So you're, it's still safer and cheaper.
There's a lot of points herethat you guys have made.
Tanya's talking about amortizing,the total cost of ownership
and all that kind of stuff.
And I think Brad, you hit on somethingwithout saying something, which was,
there's also hidden costs when you gobuy a new car because the insurance
on your old car is probably cheaperthan the insurance on your new car.

(26:47):
You know, things like that.
And just because you buy a new car, justlike if you buy a new construction house,
for example, doesn't mean it's not gonnahave its own problems and it's program.
Right.
Right.
And so now on top of that, you'vegot your $900 car payment plus.
The service cost and themaintenance and stuff like that.
Let's talk about something there, becausethis is something we talked about in the
last, I don't know if it was the lastepisode or one of the last episodes.

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The question was, in 20 years, whatwill my kids be driving kind of thing.
What car am I holding onto given themaybe possible electronics gremlins We're
seeing in cars we already own 20, 25 yearsold, that we could arguably say maybe
build quality was better 25 years ago.
Where do we think a car with10,000 times more electronics?

(27:31):
In them.
Do we really think in 20 years,how do you fix them at that point?
When all of the gremlins startgoing bad, I think my kids and
Eric's kids are probably gonna endup driving Mark four Volkswagens.
We just need to resurrect them allnow and save them and just park
them somewhere and then fix them.
But I think Tanya's steering thisconversation in, in a really interesting

(27:52):
direction because the cars of todaythat I deem in a similar category to the
cars of yesteryear, of our yesteryear.
I'm not talking about Grand Pappy'sPackard and you know, the 1957 Chevy
Bel Air, and yeah, those things, youcould fix 'em with the screwdriver and
a dull knife, the hammer of the Clarks.
The cars of today that my kidswill be driving 20 years from now.

(28:13):
'cause I did think about this afterwe talked about that on that last
episode, is you have to lean Japanesebecause the Japanese have brought
creature comforts into their vehicles,but they didn't overcomplicate
them the way the Germans did.
Right.
I don't wanna talk about the Italians.
I don't wanna talk aboutthe rest of whatever.
The Americans are still sort ofexperimenting, like they're trying to

(28:35):
be cool and we're gonna put gadgetsand gizmos and it's all kind of
half baked at the end of the day.
But the Germans went full spaceprograms, star Wars, everything has
its own processor, its own module,its own subdivided, subprocesses.
It's like Tron inside of every car.
Absolutely bonkers.

(28:55):
And you need a degree in not being amechanic, being a computer scientist to
work on a Mercedes or an Audi, or even thelowliest of lowly Volkswagens these days.
And so I think the Japanese, when youopen the hood of a Mazda, or you look
at the Koreans and you open the hoodof a Hyundai, like I've said, you still
look at it and go, Hey, there's a motor.

(29:16):
You open the hood of A BMW, oryou open the hood of an Audi and
you're like, um, where's the engine?
Like everything's covered.
Everything's shrouded.
Everything's shielded.
You gotta spend half a day just to get toa coil pack, let alone to anything major.
And that's where I'mstarting to lose my loyalty.
Unfortunately, I've been exitingthis stage for quite a long time.
I've said it before, but it's beena long, very slow and painful road

(29:39):
to say goodbye to Volkswagen justbecause it's what you know, what you
imprinted on, what you grew up with.
Now, I'm still a huge fan of the oldcars, but the new ones, you look at the
price tag of a brand new GTI today, I'vesaid it before, you guys scoffed at me.
If you go price out the cars that wewant as an enthusiast, the auto bond
top edition, it starts at like 41.

(30:02):
It's insane.
It's insane.
So by the time you're out tags, titleinsurance, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, you're, you'rebanging on fifties door on a front
wheel drive, no manual transmission.
GTI called it.
It only gets worse from there.
So my point is, if you're thinkingabout the car of tomorrow for your
kid that you can help them work on,the list is gonna be really short.

(30:25):
I still think the Jeeps, eventhough I gotta talk about a Wrangler
experience I had here in a little bit.
Oh, wranglers are terrible for kids.
They are, but from a workabilityperspective, they're still
kind of dirt simple, right?
Like any pickup truck is kind ofdirt simple from a certain age.
And again, I think the Japanesecars are on the simpler side and
the cor, some of the Korean cars.

(30:46):
But German cars, I would notrecommend them for first time drivers.
It was funny you said Italian.
Anybody that buys their kid like a, aMaserati, even like the, the, the Ghibli
Ghibli the giblets, anybody buys their kidone of those, or the, the Alpha Romeos.
I was thinking the 500.
They're not worried aboutthe maintenance cost.
No, not at all.
True, true, true.

(31:07):
Yeah.
You shouldn't be driving.
No.
I mean I think our showcase kind of wenteverywhere or nowhere at the same time.
Well, no, I mean it started witha good point with the car prices.
Consistently going up given what'sgoing on in your neck of the woods.
With the government shutdown?
Yeah.
And the reduction in federal workforce.
Lots of people looking for jobs.
Lots of people.
Penny pinching now yet stilllike something's gotta give.

(31:29):
'cause people are losing their jobs.
Their incomes are shrinking.
But car prices and prices ingeneral for everything are going up.
But people are still buying cars.
Why?
I don't know.
Look at your 2005 Honda Accordthat's sitting in your driveway.
Ask yourself, do I really need a new caror can I just put a new alternator in it
and just drive it for another 50 years?

(31:50):
'cause I guarantee you that caryou'll get another 50 years out of it.
I think that's just it too.
Like you have to ask yourself.
I know the bills can be shockingsometimes, especially if you're
not doing the work yourself.
To Tanya's point earlier, howlong did you go, unless this
is like a recurring problem.
Did you go before that alternator quit?
Yeah, well you went 20 years beforeit quit, so put another one in it.

(32:11):
Cross your fingers.
It goes another at least 10.
Yeah, and I will say a lot of people didshy away from turning their own wrenches
for quite a long time, but I am stillamazed by the number of YouTube videos.
Where you can get help and people willwalk you through step-by-step how to
change even the most complicated things.
And I, myself sometimes are like,man, how do I do that again?

(32:31):
And I don't wanna go to the Bentleymanual because that drives me crazy.
It's written by, I don'tknow who writes those.
They're insane.
They're not written well andthe, and they're not documented.
Well, it's like 5,000 pages of nonsense.
And so I go to YouTube and thenfive minutes later I'm like,
oh yeah, that's how you do it.
That's right.
Turn it this way.
And spin on your head andtap your belly three times.
And that's how you dothe shift linkage, right?

(32:52):
I mean, and to your point, here'swhere I gotta give major props.
To, at least in the Volkswagen community,and I'm sure there are others in the, the
other manufacturer communities, uh, butI gotta give major props to ECS tuning
and FCP Euro, mainly FCP Euro becausethey have YouTube tutorial videos.
Yeah.
For many, many jobs.

(33:14):
When I had to do the PCV valve andthe intake, uh, manifold gasket on
my, my R 32, there was a step-by-stepvideo how to take it apart, how to do
it, all the pitfalls, all the adviceand everything the tools needed.
FCP Euro put it out and it ajob that I never in a million
years would've attempted myself.

(33:35):
I tried it and I was able to doit, and I did it successfully.
It was because of that YouTube videothat I was able to do so, and you
brought up two companies that are at theforefront in the German space, right.
They carry parts for BMWs and Audis andPorsches and Mercedes, and you name it.
Interestingly enough, becausethey're at each other's throats
from a competition perspective, bothnow have that lifetime warranty.

(33:57):
So it's like if you buy the part andit fails, they'll send you another one.
And if you buy the part and itwears out in five years and they
send you another one, as long asyou send the original one back.
I don't understand how they make anymoney off of that or how it works.
I mean, you could do used motor oil.
We've done brake pads for therace cars using their lifetime
warranty, stuff like that.
It works.
I'm not gonna question it.

(34:18):
As long as they keep doing it, I'm happy.
But that also factors in if youare a German car owner, a German
car enthusiast, to do the workyourself, it gets a lot cheaper.
When you have companies providingthose types of warranties long term,
'cause Tanya, that cam sensor, she'sgonna send it back or they'll send her
another one and she only paid for theone the first time and then that's it.

(34:39):
Right?
She can replace it as manytimes as she needs to.
And that's actually pretty cool.
You don't see that anymore.
I'm sure there's other companies, but atleast in, in the German car space, those
two are the ones that are gonna do it.
If you've got a Japanese car, anItalian car, or God forbid, like a
Swedish car, which FCP Euro coversSwedish cars too, they, well, they
check with whatever aftermarket sitesyou're using and see if they offer

(35:00):
something like that because that coulddefinitely help you limit your costs.
The independent shops you go to, you know,as we're giving advice now, before you go
in there and have them do work for you,make sure if you want to supply your own
parts, that they allow you to do that.
Some shops do not allow you tobring your own parts, right?
So I think Tanya ran into that in Texas.
The shop I use here in, inVirginia, the one shop will
not let me bring my own parts.

(35:21):
That's the one that only uses OEM parts.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, I did find another shop thatwill, if I need to go there, but.
It's cheaper to keep your old caron the road, stop buying new cars.
It's not doing anybody any good exceptfor the car makers and the dealers.
So keep your old cars on the road.
Well, that's probably a goodsegue to talk about the craziness
happening in the new car world.
So maybe we'll switch backto our regularly scheduled

(35:42):
ranting and raving, shall we?
Sure.
And since we tend to lean a little bitheavy in the world of Volkswagen, we'll
just continue in pulling that thread.
To your point, Brad, timesare tough decisions were
made, the people have spoken.
We don't want your stinking EVs.
So facilities that are home to carslike the Q4 E tron and the ID four

(36:04):
and the ID seven are seeing reducedoutput and are in the brink of closure.
Mm mm What a shame.
I think it is a reminder that the industrygiants need to adjust their strategy
and listen to what people actually want.
I've said it before, and I'll say itagain, Toyota, we weren't sure what
they were doing, but when Toyota doessomething, people should pay attention.

(36:27):
Toyota said, we're sticking with hybrid.
Hybrid is the answer, and everybody elseshould have been, you know, maybe we
shouldn't follow Tesla down this path.
I'm just gonna leave that where it is.
Toyota's not without their own issues.
I mean the, all the recalls and stuffon the new Tundra with the twin Turbo
V six and everything, I mean, they makemissteps, but they make good decisions

(36:51):
much more often than they do the missteps.
And they correct themissteps very quickly.
I bet if that same truck had nothad a twin turbo V six and had a V
eight normally aspirated like hasbeen around for a million years,
thanks to Toyota's debut intonascar, they probably have no issues.
There's a reason, there's all kindsof memes about the people and the
owners of the truck with the motorthat I have and how they look

(37:14):
down on all other Toyota owners.
Uh, yeah.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
It might not be the fastestV eight in the world, but it
is reliable, that's for sure.
It, it scoots.
Um, okay.
So yeah, they're shutting down.
I guess.
Are they gonna re, can they repurposethose facilities to make things that
people might actually wanna buy?
See, I think it's all about.
Reducing their loss leaders.
See, it's all about the bean countersbecause they gotta pay for Formula One.

(37:36):
I just keep bringing this up.
Volkswagen has to figure out how to payfor Audi to go to Formula One next year.
So anywhere they can cut thefat, they're gonna cut it.
So Volkswagen obviously hasn'theard the saying, how do you
make a small fortune in racing?
Start with a large fortune?
They haven't heard that before becausenow they've got a small fortune and

(37:56):
they're going racing at Dieselgate too.
Right?
So we talked last month about howVolkswagen pulled the plug on the
Lambo program in Hypercar, right?
For Weck and for imsa.
You said yourself, Brad, you were like, Ididn't even know they had a Lambo running
in the upper classes in endurance racing.
Fine.
Fine.
Well, we pulled the plug on that.

(38:16):
Well, guess what?
Surprise, but maybe not a surprise.
'cause I said it from the beginningand people are like, no, you'll see.
It's gonna be the greatest comeback sincethe 9 62 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
This is Porsche's newhalo car and yada yada.
The 9 63.
The 9 63, the 9 63 is gonna win.
Lama four years later,still hasn't won anything.

(38:40):
Uh, yes.
Okay.
It got constructor championshipor whatever it is in fine.
Great.
But it didn't win Lama.
It didn't win anything of significance.
So the factory, again, because Ithink they need to put their money
to Formula One, is pulling theplug on the Porsche 9 63 Hypercar.
It is done as of Petite Lama.
That's it.
That was its final race.
Do you think they would've continuedon with it had it been more successful?

(39:03):
I think Porsche's got thisthree strike strategy.
They either win three times and stop,or they lose three times and stop.
I think that's what it is.
But the 9 63 was kind of aloser from the beginning, right?
I mean, you could argue, oh,well balance of powers in the
favor, Ferrari, blah, blah, butFerrari doesn't compete stateside.
They compete at Lama and then they gohome, or they do some other big race.

(39:24):
They go back to Ello and theyignore everybody for another year.
The 9 63 comes over here and competesagainst Cadillac in Acura, or Aston
in the Valkyrie, you know, or whateverit is, and gets its butt handed to it.
It's just been hit or miss.
And granted, yeah, you got the power ofPenske and all these other independent
privateers and all this kinda stuff.
It hasn't come together for this car.
And so I said after the firstyear, I'll be amazed if the

(39:48):
9 63 makes it three years.
And here we are at the end of thethird year going into the fourth
season and they said, no, that's it.
It's done.
Sad, but not sad.
I don't care about that car.
To round up this conversation.
I got two Porsche tests while Iwas at Petite Lama this month.
Do tell, I forgot you went to that.
I can't wait to talk about that.

(40:09):
Yeah, yeah, we'll talkabout that a little bit too.
So I got to ride in a Macan GTS, andas I sat in it and I looked around, I
said, is it more than just a Tiguan?
Is it, I don't wanna offend theowner because let's face it, with
the new unified universal platform,mq, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
There's a lot of shared DNA betweentiguans tox and all this kind of stuff.

(40:34):
It's a very nice car.
It's a very quick car.
I don't like the interior.
The center console looks like somethingout of the Starship Enterprise.
It has literally like 50 buttons becauseit has no multifunction interface.
So things that should be softbuttons are hard buttons on either
side of the console, like down thepassenger side, up the driver's side.
It's craziness.
So I, I was sort of not a fan.

(40:55):
There's all these design cues, thenine, you know, the clock in the center.
Could you guys have just done your ownthing and not made it all look the same?
I feel like the little clock inthe center, like the ones Infinity
used to have, and, and the, theVolkswagen Fayton, I think had one.
It's so bougie, right?
It is bougie.
Look, I've got a Rolex on my dash.

(41:15):
It's not a Rolex,whatever, but it's a jox.
It's just like, look,look at what time it is.
Can you read that?
Only the sophisticated eye canread what that says, Uhhuh.
So, okay, so you drovea expensive take one.
No, no, no.
I got, I got the ride in the T one.
So it was not the turbo more closelyrelated to its cousin Volkswagen.
This was actually the six cylinderGod knew who makes the six cylinders

(41:37):
probably punched out Audi six cylinderor something like that, right?
So, I mean, it, it sounded good.
It, it boogied.
You know, all that kind of stuff.
It felt very planted on theroad, but I was just kind of kept
looking at it going, I like it.
I do like the way the Macan looks.
I like the way it looks overthe Cayenne, but I'm like,
mm-hmm could I own one of these?
You know?
And that's where I kind of went.
Uh, and if it was just me drivingevery day, I wouldn't want a Macon.

(42:02):
Right.
I would want something else.
It's interesting to hear you say that.
'cause when I was up there, you know, Iwas talking to Tanya and we were talking,
I was like, every once in a while I thinkabout getting rid of the truck and on
the short list of things that I wouldpotentially replace the truck with.
It's a Macon or a Cayenne, youknow, something stupid like that.
Or even a Volvo vaccine 90 or whatever.
But then I, I think.

(42:24):
The problem with the truck is it'snever, I can't say never, but it's
more than likely never going togive me a reason to need to sell it.
Right.
And it's been dead reliable.
It hopefully will continue tobe dead reliable if I got rid of
it and got something like this.
I'm just asking for trouble.
No, no, no.
You're absolutely right.
You're absolutely right.
So I did get to test drive aPorsche while I was in Atlanta.

(42:46):
Let me guess you testdrove a. Boxter s Boxter,
a 9 44 turbo.
I think I threw up in the backof my throat a little bit to know
how to fend the car that I drove.
This is the pinnacle of Pinnacles.
It wasn't a GT 3, 9 11 or anything,but it was a 2023 Cayman GT four.
Oh, those are very nice.

(43:08):
It is vetted.
Nice.
This is, the price tag is notvery nice, but they're very nice.
No, no, no.
So did it live up to the hype?
So it wasn't an rs, it wasjust a regular GT four.
I didn't know they had an RS versionof the Oh, the GT four Rs now.
Right.
You know how Porsche is, right?
Yeah.
They took parts off of it.
It made it more expensive.
Well, they put the ugliest wing youcould find from JC Whitney on the rs.

(43:31):
It looks horrendous.
I don't like it at all.
It just looks like a bolton you would put on an E 36.
It's just, ugh, horrible.
Sort of like that goofy wing that'son the, the Mustang GTD, like it
literally looked like they gluedit in the middle of the witch.
It's awful.
Anyway, the Cayman.
Is a car that's always been on my radar.
You can kind of almost pick justabout any year of Cayman, you

(43:53):
know, starting from the very firstones to the very current ones.
Looks aside.
Uh, well, the.one and the dottwo I, I hate that, by the way.
And the, the whole community of, werefer to them as like software packages,
service pack one and service back two.
Ugh.
It's just a Cayman like get over it.
Right?
This one had been massaged alittle bit, it had an exhaust,
some other stuff, whatever.
I don't, it's cool.

(44:14):
Like I liked it.
I did, you know, but again,it's, you sit there and you ask
yourself, am I that kind of poser?
Would I drive one every day?
I don't think I could do either.
I'd love to have one.
My problem with the Cayman is the sameproblem I have with the boxer is at
the end of the day, it's not a nine 11.
That's all the reasonI need to like it more.

(44:35):
Having driven nine elevens,I don't like the nine 11.
I don't like the way it handles,I don't like the way it feels.
I don't like that constant sense of it'sgonna kill you of nervousness that it has.
Like the Cayman super planted.
You could throw it in aturn and it could care less.
It's like driving anything else.
Now I prefer mid-engine cars.
You know, I've driven a a million of them.
So for me it's like, okay,great, but the nine 11, ugh.

(44:57):
I don't know.
That's a whole nother culture that I'msort of over it because I, I'd rather
be with the air cooled guys, you know?
But even there, I gotta be careful'cause it's like I'm old school eighties
where I'm like, Alala, yeah, let's go.
Like, I don't, I'm not a purist.
This is just me being bougie assomeone who's never technically
owned a nine 11 or, or, or a Porsche.

(45:19):
Period.
I see it from the outside andI'm like, well, oh, I gotta
have the top of the line model.
Oh well you gotta have the nine11 like it, it ain't cool if it
ain't a nine 11 kind of thing.
And that's just me.
I need to get over myself and likesay, yes horse makes other cool cars.
It doesn't have to be anine 11 came in GT four.
I didn't get to drive it on track.
That'd be a lot of fun too.
I mean, you could definitelytell it's very well sorted.

(45:41):
It's fast, it's everything you want.
It checks all the boxes.
I mean, it's the only box that doesn'tcheck is anything practical because
it's not, it's very small inside andit's like a little jet fighter and
you know, it's a modern nine 14 reallywhat it is at the end of the day.
So it's really cool.
So let's play a little game.
How much is a 2023 Cayman GT?

(46:01):
Four.
Rough ballpark.
I know it's six figures.
I know what was paid for the oneI drove to protect the innocent.
Just throw a number out, but not theexact number that that person paid.
One 30.
One 30, okay.
What else would you get for one 30?
I'd get a lot of things for one 30.
I know what Tanya would get at least.
I think I know what Tanya would get.
I think she would get an A-M-G-G-T.

(46:23):
Yeah, for sure.
The she and judging by hersmile, I think I'm right.
Can I get one for one 30?
I'm sure you could finda used one for one 30.
Eric, you would probablyget a newer R eight.
That's my guess.
Yeah.
An R eight and I'd have money left over Reight versus Cayman R eight all day long.
And I'm not even talking V 10, I'mtalking V eight with the six speed.

(46:46):
Right.
Like why wouldn't I do that?
It's, it's better looking,it's more interesting.
It's still mid-engine.
It handles really awesome,all that kind of stuff.
The Porsches are nice, but I feellike I've outgrown them actually.
Oh, well you've matured.
If I was going to buy a Porsche and ifI had 130 grand to spend, I actually
really like the 89 speedster, the nine11 Cabrio le with that hard clamshell

(47:10):
thing in the little short windshield.
I've always loved those.
That's a car.
Okay.
If I have 130 grand to piss away, that'swhat I'm buying in the Porsche catalog.
I'm not buying anything new.
I want something vintage.
Now I, I'm a hypocrite 'cause I justsaid, oh nine 11, blah, blah, blah.
But that's always been like my nine 11.
Right.
That's the one I I love.
I mean, I would take aCabrio and not the speedster.

(47:31):
It's the same.
Same but different, butyou know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I hear you.
Moving on.
We have a little bit ofSt News headlines today.
Reed, the former CEO of Stellantisis saying things like, stellantis
is gonna break up and all this.
I'm like, whatever.
We'll wait and seewhen, when that happens.
And they just get together.

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Feels like just yesterday they merged.
They talked about it for a whileand it took them forever to
come up with that stupid name.
They were together for a while.
And if you think about it, themost profitable part of Stellantis
stateside is Jeep 'cause dothey make anything else anymore?
That electric charger is a failure.
There's no more muscle cars.
Chrysler makes the Pacifica sort of,maybe not because they're built in Canada

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and all that stuff is still happening.
That isn't in the news anymore.
So what's left?
That's it.
Beats me.
Right?
But I did find this interesting'cause Brad, you know more
about this stuff than I do.
Oh, you, you're crazy.
The hurricane inline six.
Mm-hmm.
Got dropped into a Viper and it makes 400more horsepower than the V 10 did guessing

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the original V 10 blue, and that's whythey needed to put a new motor in it.
I mean, why would you do that toa Viper other than that reason?
Why would you put a VR sixin the back of a nine 11 that
we saw at H2O that one time?
I never understood that swap.
I think this is just as weird.
WI don't understand.
Unless they, one, maybe they justcouldn't source another V 10 or it

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was gonna take too long, or were theseYouTubers that were just looking for
something to do something different.
They look like dragracers looking to go fast.
Going to go real fast.
Oh, so it's a roadkill build.
So they're doing it for views.
That's why.
What about the Hellcat Prowler though?
Yes.
So Casey, now you got my attention.
That has been one of the prowlerbiggest criticisms ever since it
came out is the motor was anemic.

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Why did they do that?
Should have been a six cylinder.
Why not a hurricane in the prowler?
That makes a ton of sense.
Actually.
As an inline six, it would'vefit better in the front of
the prowler than the B eight.
Yeah.
850 horsepower prowler.
Now you're cooking with gas.
But does it make it any lessweird when it has more power?
No.
See, my problem with this whole situation,if we talk about the Viper, is like I'm

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all for like doing engine swaps and stufflike that, but not too iconic cars, right?
Like the Viper has the V 10.
It should always have the V 10.
The nine 11 should alwayshave Porsche six in the back.
Like the people like RenegadeMotor Sports that does the LS
swap nine elevens and stuff.
The boxers, yeah, I can see it likethe Caymans boxers, sure, but not
the nine 11 for whatever reason.

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In my little mind, I feel likeit's just, it doesn't work.
I wouldn't do it.
Doesn't make sense to me.
Does not compute well.
All of this STIs talk is really.
Just bluff and bluster to cover thefact that I wanna talk about the rental
car I had at Road Atlanta, the four xe?
Yes.
Let's talk about the four xe.
I've been very curious about these.
We had a bunch of other options, soI went with William from the Ferrari

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marketplace and so I met him in Atlanta.
We go down the aisle and they said,pick whatever you want out of this row.
And so it's, you know, the typical fairNissan Murano, cross Cale, no cross
cabs, you know, Impala, garbage can.
What ended up happeningwas there were two Jeeps.
As we walked down this aisle, the one Iwanted to rent was the new Grand Cherokee.

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'cause I was thinking, oh, I get a,basically a, a short term test drive
to compare it to my Grand Cherokee.
But he spotted the Wrangler and said,yeah, yeah, let's take the Jeep.
And I'm like, uh, no.
Two guys in our Jeep.
Did you put the top down?
No, it was a hard top.
Oh.
So you can take the hard top off.
Did it have the soft center towhere you could, the soft center

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where you could fold it back?
No, it had everything hard.
Oh, two guys in a hard Jeep.
Got it.
Okay.
Good.
Understood.
The only saving grace that it had,it was like, Ooh, it's a hybrid.
Problem is they didn'tplug it in and charge it.
Oh, great.
Yeah.
So it was basically flat.
It's okay, fine.
Everything you know, to be true abouta wrangler is still true to this day.

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They're noisy.
They ride rough.
The doors don't close properly.
They have a lot of wind noise.
They have a lot of road noise.
They meander around the road.
They tram line going down the highway.
They're a little bit sketch above 65.
It's like a broken oxcart.
I don't know why people drive them,and the worst part is the hybrid has

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a four cylinder turbo attached to it.
So you got this big,heavy 5,200 pound Jeep.
We looked up the weight of thething with a four cylinder turbo.
Now it'll scoot.
What reserve electricity has, ituses like an additional buy turbo.
One of them's electricand one of them's air.
The gas mileage was horrendous.
17 miles to the gallon,that's what it was getting.

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I'm sure with the hybridworking, maybe 30.
But if it's anything like my wifePacifica, you get 30 miles or 40
miles out of the battery and thenis depleted and you're back to
making 17 miles to the gallon again.
So what good is that?
You can't put anything in it.
You definitely can'thaul any mulch with it.
It's got a ton of ground clearance.
I'm sure it's great off road.
The interior is prettyspartan for what it is.

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It's not bad, but it's not luxurious.
It's comparing a grand and awrangler's like apples and chainsaws.
I mean, they have nothingto do with one another.
All in all, it was an epic fail andI couldn't wait to get rid of it.
Not surprised by any of your points.
No.
And I remember when you had your orangeone, it was red, it was orangey red.
It was like pumpkin spice.
It was maroon or like a dark, dark road.

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Hey, you're right.
It wasn't maroon.
That's right.
But you had the stick shift in that.
I had the six speed in that,and I had the five speed in my.
Tj the Wrangler is off my list.
I would not wish that upon my enemy.
Yeah.
The people that go out and buy a Wrangleras a family vehicle are absolutely insane.
I mean, I was hopingthat I would get a duck.
I was thinking maybe in the next twodays I'll get a duck so I can get
something positive outta the experience.

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Nobody would've known it was a rental.
There can have been like, oh,look at you, you get a duck.
You don't have a duck on your dashboard.
Here, here have a duck.
You own a Jeep.
You, you can still get a duck.
You get a Duckie and you get a duckie.
I was thinking parked at Road Atlanta withall those hundreds of thousands of people,
I would've gotten at least one duck.
I got nothing.
The, the, the whole duck thing likeskipped me, like I missed that part.
Uh, I guess that was after my time.

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Part of the ethos.
Now do Jeep people walk around withducks in their pocket and then just
randomly placing them on people's Jeeps?
I wonder that.
What do the Bronco people give each other?
They give them each other oranges.
Oh, nice.

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Very nice.
Very nice.
All right, well speaking of infinite newcar wisdom, just the other day my inbox
was exploding with emails from all over,from LinkedIn, from here, from everywhere.
I'm gonna summarize it.
The headline reads, GM takes 1.6 billionwith the B billion dollar hit on EVs.

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And I said to myself,is anybody surprised?
Reminds me of that drive-through.
We did a while back, Brad.
Remember we showcased GeneralMotors if you were like yesterday's
technology tomorrow, there it is.
There it is.
The ongoing joke in thatepisode was what moves faster?
GM or anything else?

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Very slow moving object.
Well, and it's hilarious because wereported for months and months and
months now companies are getting out.
Trying to ramp back up production ofpetrol engines or hybrids or whatever.
And here's gm, the caboose of the train.
Did you guys not see the warning signs?
Did you not learn anything fromyour acquisition of Nicola?

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Hello?
Do what Toyota does?
At least look over their shoulder.
I mean, try to get ahead of everybody.
Once unrelated, they've got those appsthat are advertised all over Instagram
about we follow and make the stock markettrades that the, the politicians make.
Like I, I feel like GM needs somethinglike that, but they need to follow

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Toyota and whatever things Toyota does.
Like your, to your point, GMneeds to just start doing.
Yeah.
They'll be a much better company.
Well, speaking of General Motors products,this isn't a recall, but this is really
funny, so I'll just read the headline.
C seven Corvette ZR one averages173 miles an hour in a Texas
road race, but melts its butt.

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Mm-hmm.
Oh, look at this thing.
How's that happen?
I mean, that's a lot of heat, right?
No wonder they were lighting on fire.
When the fuel spills and you're fillingit, this is the previous generation.
Oh, that's true.
Yes.
Right.
The engine's in the front.
That's right.
That's right.
The fuel thing's, the new ones.
That also shows you the aerodynamicsof the back of that car being flat.

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Heat gets trapped there because you wouldthink moving at 170 miles an hour that
that heat would escape just by sheerforce of the air flowing over the car.
But it gets trapped there and it meltedthe back end of it, vortex or something.
It also doesn't help that the exhaustis all right there in the center too.
But still, I mean, itmelted the taillights too.
It's.

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Just nuts.
That's hot.
Speaking of expensive repairs, true.
What is a shop gonna charge to fix that?
Aren't the rear these like all one piece?
Not like there's a bumperyou actually pull off, isn't
it All part of the back end.
Yikes.
Wow.
That is terrible design.
But Jake from State Farm willtake care of it, so it's all good.
Don't worry about it.
Exactly.
And then our rates will go up.

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Asian and domestic news.
I have a note here that saysToyota and Mazda teaming up
for the next Miata and GR 86.
Who put that in there?
I did.
What's that all about?
Well, apparently, which we already knew.
They're ditching BMW as a partner andnow they're teaming up with Mazda and
they're going to make the next great.
Miata.
The NE Miata, right?

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The next generation Miata.
Do you want a Miata?
Yeah, I want a Miata.
What Miata do you want?
Uh, any Miata, I guess I will tell.
It's all pretty new reporting.
We did some independent researching thatToyota owns 10% of Mazda and Mazda owns
like 0.0001% of Toyota or something.
Like there's a weird partnershipthere between the two.

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That just means Toyotaowns 0.0001% of themself.
Uh, yes.
If they own Mazda self-fulfillingprophecy, you know what I mean?
But I, I'd rather see them gettogether than the Mazda Ford thing
from, you know, 15, 20 years ago.
That made no sense to me whatsoever.
But I'm sure there wasa reason at the time.
But as a, as an outsider, it didn't seemclear as to why those two would team up.

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We've wondered for a while, what'sthe next generation Miata gonna
look like, or what's it gonna be?
Here's the question.
Is the Miata going to get biggeror is the GR 86 gonna get smaller?
The GR 86 doesn't need to get anysmaller, so the Miata is probably
gonna get a little bit bigger then.
I hope so, because I personallylike the NC for the fact that
it is a little bit bigger.
The third generation Miatawas more comfortable to drive.

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Yes, it didn't perform as well,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I get it.
But as a driver it was more comfortable.
Right.
We mentioned last timethe A 86, not the GR 86.
The 80 86, you could get newcrate motors from Toyota.
Right.
Have you guys seen the video going aroundInstagram of a guy that built the 80 86.
With the electric motor and thesix speed manual, it is bonkers.

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Awesome.
That's the kind of stuff we need now.
Apparently that build was partiallydone by Toyota because they supplied
the battery pack from Lexus and like abunch of other stuff to make it work.
It's super clean, it's really neat.
And then he's got this awesome setupwhere we joked about this before,
but he pipes the sound of an original80, 86 twin cam into the car.

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So it sort of fools youwhile you're driving it.
And I was like, okay, I get itnow because it all makes sense.
It all works together as a systemand it's actually pretty cool.
It sounds like something to competewith that Hyundai concept that they're
going to make, that's gonna be sixfigures and no one can afford, or no, no.
You mean the N 74, whatever that thing is.

(59:22):
Yeah, the N 70, whatever it was,the N 70, the Normandy, something.
Yeah, I was told at the track,'cause I kept saying ion when
we were at the Hyundai booth.
You're not pronouncing it correctly.
Yeah, yeah.
Why do you call?
It's the ion.
No.
Well, how come Cadillac calls itthe, the Celeste de derelict Dele.
Yeah.
Right.
So I'm like, well then it'sion, you have to say it, right?

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Yes.
I, I am I all Brad.
Well, we're gonna move on to lostand found your favorite section
of the drive through where we findout what Chuck led Duck and Gray
Chevrolet have to offer us this month.
And this next one just melts mybrain like that Corvets rear end.
I can't believe there's stillmore of these out there.
You can't believe it's Solanis.

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Third quarter sales resultincluded six Dodge Darts.
How is this possible not onlysix Dodge Darts, but also Dodge
Grand Caravan and a Dodge Journey?
This car has been out ofproduction for almost 10 years.
10 years.
This is so fascinating.
Long game, baby.
Yes.
They're playing the long game.
Exactly.
They make such terrible cars now thatthey have to go back and drum up all

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these old cars that they couldn't sellbefore because what's old is new again.
Clearly what's old is new.
You didn't wanna buy those cars then.
Maybe you wanna buy 'em now, butsure enough, six new 2016 Dodge
Darts were sold nine years later.
See, this answers yourquestion from before.
What do you buy your kid todaythat's gonna last them 20 years?

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You buy 'em a Dodge Dart, you canget 'em in a manual transmission.
You get brand new today atyour local Dodge dealer because
they're still out there.
Where do they keep finding them though?
They gotta be in like a subterraneanwarehouse in Detroit somewhere that
people just forgot that they've got30,000 Dodge Darts sitting there.
You think Dodge just kind of pulls'em out every once in a while.

(01:01:09):
Is this kind of like a trickle.
If they were smart, they would package'em as some heritage model or some
special paint jobs or something,or wrap 'em, you know, Shelby
additions or something, I don't know.
Whatever you wanna call it.
So my kids are four and two, soI've got 12 years and 14 years
respectfully before I need to buy a car.
At that point, I'm guessing I'llbe able to go to a dealer and buy

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a brand new 2025 Dodge Hornet,because that's the new Dodge Dart.
Right?
So it is.
Ah, well, this next onewas brought to us by Mr.
Mark Hewitt.
Mark Hewitt.
He's still alive.
He still listens.
Every month we still get comments back.
Thank you, mark, for being a loyaldrive-through Listener 61 episodes later.

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Headline reads, Nebraska onEarth's 1975 Chevy Vega from
World's largest time capsule.
Can we put it back, come again?
Yeah.
They put a Vega.
Underground 50 years ago.
Did you notice the plate on it?
Oh, there it is.
25 vanity plate.
Nebraska reads 2025.
Almost like they planned ahead.
They were thinking it's in good condition.

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It's in good condition.
They put it underground,brand new, but still whatever.
They put it underground in.
Is this the same placethey get the Dodge Darts?
That's good.
It didn't like a bunker.
It was in a bunker underground.
Well, that bunker hadvery good climate control.
Uh, it doesn't look likeit from the pictures.
Did you see the pictures of the bunker?

(01:02:36):
It looks like literallyjust a hole in the ground.
Yeah, it looks like where thatguy built that Lamborghini in,
like Slovenia or something.
Wherever that was.
I mean, once it's undergroundthere's pretty much Okay.
And they had it in plastic wrap.
Wait, why does it look likethere's rust off the hood?
This is an advertisement for plastic wrap.
That's what it's, they put it brand newand it already has scratches on the hood.

(01:02:56):
Well, they probably had crap on top of it.
Yeah, it looks like it rusted.
It was underground in a bunker.
Of course, it wasn't climatecontrolled, so it rusted sitting there.
What is all this other trashthey threw in this time capsule?
Like, yeah, I wanna hear more about that.
I'm sure it's everything they couldfind from 1975 newspapers and magazines

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and baseball cards, or a littlevega all alone in the dark hole.
This whole time, nobody was missing it.
Okay.
I'm just gonna point that out.
This is its villain origin story.
You know what's gonna happen to it?
Somebody's gonna buy it, stripit, and turn it into a dragster.
'cause that's whathappened with Las Vegas.
That's exactly what'sgonna happen in this car.
The race number will be 1975.
So I think we're gonna tryto start something new here.

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And it's Tanya's goal as a resultof last month's mental gymnastics,
trying to figure out Jonathan Priceand the Infinity commercials and
whoever this British guy is thateats the apple that we still don't.
It's like the sin bad movie.
We tried, oh, you should havegone through the exercise with us.
We were asking like chat GPT and weasked Steven, Izzy and all these other

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people, do you know about the Britishguy eating the apple and the white
suit and the commercial, blah blah.
I know he was somewhere, there'ssome sitcom where he's gonna
show up one day, some old TVshow where he was in an episode.
Also, one day this mystery willbe solved probably on Fraser.
Oh.
It was he.

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I gotta go back and watch Frazier.
I'm just giving her an excuseto watch Frazier at this point.
I don't think you need to giveher an excuse to watch Frazier.
Yeah, I mean it's been like fiveminutes since I've watched the
whole thing, so I gotta start again.
So this little gem that Tanyafound, I think we're gonna
try to do this every month.
It's fine.
Wacky car commercials that maybehave like celebrities in them.

(01:04:40):
Brad, have you seen this one yet?
I think I saw it when,when Tanya posted it.
Yes.
I would also just like to saythat this gem is in the vein of
the mystery British guy bitingthe apple at the end commercial.
And what is this commercial for?
God knows Canon Pixel jet printersstarring Don't Ansel this commercial.

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It's like a Japanesecommercial only aired in Japan.
Good.
But the ending is what gets me, what iswith the strawberry, what I don't know
in his creepy face, what is happening.

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Yummy.
That's a very Japanesething to do, I think.
Yes.
Did you also notice that his eyebrowsare his bushy as his mustache?
Wonder what else is, I mean, I couldjust watch those last five seconds
on repeat where he's like, Hmm.
Good.
Yeah, and eating the summer, it's,it's very creepy, but very satisfying

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at the same time, like I have awhole new respect for Nagel mantle
as a result of this commercial.
This is amazing stuff.
Amazing stuff.
Good.
Unbelievable.
So, Tanya, I'm lookingforward to your collection.
I wanna see what you come up with next.
For Lost and Found car commercials.

(01:06:02):
That'd be a good one.
I mean, we've alreadydone the Ridley Scott.
You remember that one where it's like,and then the turbo kicks in, like
there's some terrible car commercials.
One of my favorite ones that I'll,I'll give you guys when I can find
it, but it was the, the PontiacFirebird, the Trans Am, the fourth
gen from the early two thousands,late nineties, early two thousands.
It was sitting behind acar at a traffic light.

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It's like pitch black or whatever.
It's revving, its motor.
The car won't move, soit swallows the car.
It's like the Ford car.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like the sport car.
The evil car that kills the cats.
Do you guys remember the Trunk Monkey?
Mm, vaguely.
Go search the Trunk Monkey commercials.
Those are definitely not PC anymore.

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Perfect.
Right up my alley.
Definitely not kosher.
Alright.
We said we weren't gonna talk aboutthem, but they just seemed to never
leave the news and that's Tesla.
But now what those idiots do this time,headline reads, Tesla is urging drowsy
drivers to use full self-driving.

(01:07:06):
We know how this ends, folks with alawsuit, I mean, what could go wrong?
What could possibly go wrong?
How many countless floor demandstories suspect pulled over
sleeping while Tesla drives itself,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Everywhere around the world, right?
I mean, come on.
I'm sorry.
I thought the rules of even the fullself-driving was you still had to

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maintain awareness and whatnot and.
It's not really full self-driving.
Continue.
Maybe it's like initial D.You remember when he taped his
hand to the steering wheel?
That's how you defeat that part so youcan fall asleep and still be connected.
Oh, this is like when cell phoneswere becoming more popular and
it was decided that, you know,rightfully you should be hands free.

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And so people were tapingthe cell phone to their head.
I am still baffled by the amount ofpeople that go down the road holding the
phone to their chin and I look at theircar and go, it's like two years old.
It's not that hard to figure outhow to make the Bluetooth work.
Hello?
When I see that, Ithink one or two things.

(01:08:12):
One, they're either borrowing a carfrom a friend or two, it's a rental,
or three, they're just an idiot.
That's probably the more likely one.
It's number three.
Yeah.
Ah, well, speaking of what could go wrong,let's switch over to lowered expectations.
What is this?
Oh, of course.
You know, there's theannual pumpkin regatta.

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This is racing.
This is racing in pumpkins.
We've covered this before.
Well, they do it every year I guess,in Oregon and this year's Pumpkin
regatta winner was this dude in a936 pound pumpkin dressed like elf.
And the winner of thisyear's trip is this guy.
Look how happy he was.
Look at that face.
Victory.

(01:08:55):
Winning winner.
I'm gonna quote Mark Shank fromlike the last, what should I buy?
This is so Oregon and I love it.
And second Brad, speaking of commercials,does this remind you of those cuckoo bird
German dudes, cuckoo bird, German dudes?
Remember those guys?
That's not a commercial though.
That was a live performance.

(01:09:19):
Yes, that's exactly.
Oh my God.
Now I gotta watch that again.
Why did you do that to me?
It's like carbon income sale away.
Now I gotta go watch it.
So funny.
When are we going to commission a pumpkin?
For this.
How do you grow a 900 plus pound pumpkin?
You mean how do you row a boat?
No, I said, how do you grow?
Oh, how do you get, how do you obtaina 900 pound pumpkin to begin with?

(01:09:43):
A lot of miracle grow.
I think this guy's been competingin the regattas since 2013 with
the same pumpkin, the same pumpkin.
It's just gotten bigger over time.
It started out as like a 300 poundpumpkin, you know, like genetics, right?
If you take the seeds from your firstbig pumpkin and replant them, does that
mean you will get big pumpkins again?

(01:10:05):
I don't know.
Oh my God.
He bio-engineered a 900 pound pumpkin.
I mean, that's the only way, right?
It's a clone of the smallerof the other pumpkins.
What, what?
What is this Florida mandoing in lowered expectations?
What's this all about?
The moral of this story is the nexttime you're pulled over because you're
speeding, and this guy was doing 73in 55, he is response to the police

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officers, was his driving at DSP was a FU.
To the other drivers that were going slow.
Wow.
Wow.
I don't think that went well.
His mugshot, my goodness.
Looks like he was on something.
Also, I didn't know a Kia Soulcould do 73 miles an hour.

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Was it being pushed by a Silverado?
Like it was downhill?
Oh, there it goes.
Well, Florida, there are no hills, so.
Mm. I don't know.
That's what I'm saying.
Flat line speed of a Kia soul.
You're asking a lot.
Those hamsters were Were rolling.
Yeah, they were.
And how fitting.
We had this Florida man with a KiaSoul and the Kia Soul is no longer
going to be produced, end of an era.

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Unlike the Dodge Dart, which you canstill buy new, you know the only thing
people are gonna miss about the Kia Soul.
Are those hamster commercialsfrom the Super Bowl?
That is it.
They'll have to comeup in Tanya's research.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
We didn't hear if Tanyawatched the F1 movie yet.
I have not.
WW There's your update everybody.

(01:11:33):
Tanya has not watched the F1 movie.
Okay, moving on Book club.
Well, sticking with Formula One.
I finished another one thismonth by our friend of the show.
Was she been on twice now?
Multi-time guest, ElizabethBlackstock finally got around to
reading Racing With Rich Energy.
This has to be one of the most incrediblePonzi schemes of the modern era.

(01:11:54):
This story literally unfoldslike something out of Hollywood.
It is definitely a catchme if you can scenario.
It's a definite read for any FormulaOne fan out there, or anybody
that's spanning a Ponzi schemes.
Well, that too.
This might be the manifestofor a lot of 'em out there.
The one thing that's interesting is.
There's a lot of excerptsfrom like Twitter posts.

(01:12:16):
It's kind of strange.
The first book I've ever read, hashtags.
But it's part of the story, right?
Is, is those hashtags andall this other kind of stuff.
And so you're reading these, theselittle experts and these Twitter
posts and there's a lot of like bulletpointed lists and this and that.
I mean, it's much more journalismthan it is a novel, but it's still
captivating and some of the stuff thatthey report on just absolutely bonkers

(01:12:38):
and like how it all came together.
And I was left with the same question Istarted with, which I think we all said
when we tried Rich Energy, which Brad,you still have a case of rich energy.
And I took photographs of it with the bookto prove that hey, you know, it's sort
of like a newspaper, you know, ransom.
Like this is the date, here we go.
So we still have this case ofrich energy after all these years.

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It tastes like Red Bull.
It smells like Red Bull.
It looks like Red Bull.
It's made in Austriawhere Red Bull is made.
How do we know it wasn't justRed Bull at the end of the day
and this guy was their patsy.
They were adding another team withoutadding another team, or they were
secretly funding Gene Haas without tellingeverybody that they were funding Gene.

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You know what I mean?
How do we know?
Like that's the part of the story.
I was still left at the end going,well, how do we know it's not Red Bull?
That's an interesting tinfoilhat theory you have there, bud.
I mean, what else could it be?
I mean, energy drinkTastes like energy drink.
Tastes like energy drink.
I mean they're all made from prettymuch the same formulas of gross.
Yeah.

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Except for White Monster.
Yeah, white Monster is quite good.
Bigger free Monster with Yeager is Deliso.
The Yeager monster is quite good.
Yeah.
Rich energy, I mean, I don't know.
Whatever.
I mean, it's a good book.
I mean, don't get me wrong, kudosto Elizabeth and Alanis King.
They did a great job.
The book is availablethrough the McFarland Press.
It is now available also as an audio book.

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You can get that on Spotify andthrough your library through Hoopla.
So you can listen to racingwith Rich Energy that way
if you don't wanna read it.
But it's always nice to havethe analog version and it makes
a good stocking stuffer too.
It's not a very long book.
It's 200 and if you take awayall the citations, it's maybe 250
pages or so, maybe less, you know,support independent writers and pick

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up a cool book about Formula One.
To be fully transparent, I bought thebook, but I did not actually read it.
But next time we go to aprofessional race, I need to
make sure I take it with me.
'cause we may run into Elizabeth,she goes to a ton of races
so I can get it autographed.
But I'll probably do the audiobook now that I know that
it's available via audio book.
'cause that's how I liketo digest your literature.
Yep.
It's time we switch to fan favorite.

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Are you faster than an interceptor?
I found this one this month.
I found one Florida man storyand this to me took the cake.

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So somebody, please explain this to me.
Woman sues Volvo claims hands-freetailgate caused brain injury.
Her, your expressions say it all.
She whacked her headwhen the tailgate opened.
No, apparently, and this iswhere it becomes Florida, man.
The tailgates closed on her head.

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But those, those kind of tailgates havelike a safety feature in them, so they.
This was a Volvo.
This was a Volvo.
Apparently she was in the trunk.
I don't know if she wasresting her head on the sill.
Is she being kidnapped?
Her dog ran under the sensor.
Volvo must have the fastest closinghatch in all of the automotive industry.

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And then it repeatedly like, like acartoon, like the more I read this,
the more confused I was and the moreI started laughing and I'm like, this
has gotta be nap April Fool's joke.
Because there's, there's no way,oh, the light bulb just went off.
No, I'm still confused becausetailgates don't close that
violently or that quickly.

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So the first time ithappens, you move your head.
They usually stop whenever theyfeel some sort of resistance.
The court filing summarizes that amalfunction in the defendant's automated
tailgate system caused serious injurieswhen it struck the plaintiff in the head.
My question is, can theyreplicate the incident?
Yeah.
On Loony Tunes.
I mean, I would love to seethis on the next Law and order.

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This baffles me like Ijust don't understand.
Do you not hear the hatchcl Normally mine beeps.
Mine's 11 years old.
It goes beep, beep, beep, beep toget your attention that it's closing.
It's also not that fast.
If you hit it, it usuallystops or goes back up.
It's not like a guillotine, like, Idon't understand what's going on here.
I could see like not realizingit was closing and you got up and

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you banged your head real hard.
But like if your head was layingthere, head was out of the car.
If you watch the YouTube video thataccompanies this, they literally show
you the demo of the person using the footthing and like how fast or slow it opens.
It's not that fast.
So not only is Volvo apparentlyliable based on this court filing,

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they're trying to find the.
Quote unquote acquaintance.
'cause she's no longer a friend.
The acquaintance is liablebecause of her dog activating.
Uh, yeah, yeah.
Uhhuh.
Yeah.
Something tells me there'sgonna be a movie about this.
Jennifer Henry attempted to kill herfriend Megan Kur using the Volvo's door.

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I'm telling you, this is like,oh yeah, I hate that bitch.
Tries to trigger it.
This is like, oh, we're gonna,we're gonna blame Volvo.
We're gonna blame Volvo, but I'mgonna get that woman outta here.
I mean, there's a Volvo.
They're known for safety.
Yes, exactly.
I don't know.
I mean, it's unfortunate if shehas a brain injury, but it's hard
to believe anything these days.

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Judging by the court case.
I think she had the braininjury before the incident.
I was thinking that you said it.
Somebody had to, I don't knowthat it's clickbait, but I don't
know that she's maybe being.
Truthful with the circumstancesthat actually took place.
I think Brad's right attemptedmurder is probably closer to
what was really going on here.
This is a little less Jersey shoreand a little bit more law and order.

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Boom.
Boom.
Exactly.
Well, it's time we quickly gobehind the fit wall and talk
about murder sports news.
So you guys asked me how petite was.
Petite was awesome.
It was wonderful.
The weather was great.
Wish I could have been there.
Friday practice in qualifying.
I spent a lot of time running aroundtalking to people, networking, going to

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booths, you know, hi to former guests.
I stopped by the A CO booth for a while.
There's test driving Caymans,you know, stuff like that.
Just a lot of stuff going on.
Race day Saturday, it tookforever to get to the track.
We got there in time for the raceto start the wreck that happened
literally 30 seconds into the race,which caused a yellow forever.
The original obligations that Ihad on Saturday sort of changed

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on me, sort of vaporized sothat it freed up my whole day.
And I was able to take William aroundthe track to every corner of the track.
We spectated from literally everywhere.
'cause he wanted to take pictures and hewanted to see and experience and all that.
And it is a long race, right?
It's 10 hours and change or whatever.
So petite was great at the end.
The only thing I cared about washow Aston finished, which they

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finished an overall second, which wasabsolutely incredible in the Valkyrie.
I mean, they pulled itoff at the last minute.
The heart of racing team, I mean,they just did a fantastic job.
I was super stoked for that.
By the way, the Valkyrie sounds amazing.

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The only V 12 in the field.
You can hear it everywhere.
Sort of like the Garage 56 car.
Like you could tell it from the rest ofthe pack and you could hear it from far
away and it's just absolutely awesome.
So looking forward to more AstonMartin racing next year, but I felt
like it was sort of anticlimacticexcept for the race at the beginning.
Nothing really sort of happenedof any, you know, any real

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note or any real significance.
It was just a nice weekend.
It was nice to be at the track and it wasnice to be amongst the Seppa yet again.
Especially the race where the LMP carsare versus VIR where, you know, they
unfortunately run the smaller cars.
Right.
You know, petite's notthe important bit of news.
We need to catch up and find out aboutFranz Herman and how he did at the Berg.

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He did fantastic.
Oh yeah.
He has a racing team for staffing.comracing, and so his co-driver is a sim
racer and verse Tappen did a ver stoppenand he was so far ahead of everybody else.
The gap was ridiculous.
And when his co-driver came in for hisstint, that gap closed down so much that

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he's lucky that Max was his teammate or hewouldn't have, uh, finished in anything.
So Max is gonna max and he debutson the Nors life and dominates.
'cause he's one of the best apparently.
So Franz Herman we're, we're gonnawatch out for more Franz Herman action.
Didn't he also exit stage?
Right?
Like he did his stintand then he pieced out.
So he left his teammate thereto like sort of finish the race

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and he didn't care how it ended.
So it looked like that.
But in the end, no.
He actually was, I think on the podiumwith him, but it definitely looked
like he might, he was gonna just leave.
That's awesome.
Which is also Max maxing.
Well, that sort of leads us intoa conversation about Formula One.

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We have what, five, six more races to go.
It seems like it's unending.
I mean, we still have Mexico and we've gotLas Vegas and we got this and we got that.
We got so many races to watchbefore the end of the season.
That comes to its crescendo at YasMarina in Abu Dhabi, which I'm super
looking forward to that race 'cause Ireally do enjoy that track on the Sims.
So let's just talk about Coda, shall we?

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The US Grand Prix one of three.
'cause we got Miami, we've gotTexas, and we've got Las Vegas.
But Coda's the mostinteresting of the three.
I don't know about you, Tanya, butI think the sprint race was more
exciting than the actual race.
I mean, the sprint racewas Forza turn one chaos,

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absolute chaos.
I love the whole Zack Brown blameshulking berg, and then he retracts it,
and then everybody's blaming Kinberg.
But it's not Hulk Berg's fault.
Is it really Land's faultor is it Oscar's fault?
Nobody knew whose fault it was, butall I know there was a pile of rubble
in that turn and it was exciting.
Which Gold's fault.
It's always strolls.

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No, no.
Stroll had his own moment,which was absolutely hilarious.
Who did he wipe out?
Ocon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he, he did a hit and run.
He tried to drive off.
His front wheel is like bouncing,barely connected and he's driving
as he goes around Ocon, hewaves at him like, oh, so sorry.
And he tries to drive away.

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Like, what?
Dude, I was dying.
It was the funniest thing I'dseen in Formula One all year.
I was like, stroll, what is going on, bro?
Wow.
Unreal.
No, the sprint race was absolutelyamazing, but it was good for stopping.
Right.
He took an extra eight points home,which leans into his first place win.
So it's 25 points for the win.

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Yep.
So now he's got 31 extra pointstowards the championship.
And I, I turned to Tanya and Isaid, is he going to make the
ultimate comeback in Formula one?
'cause nobody's ever done this before.
Even in the, the modern times and the oldtimes, the Senate days Schumacher before,
nobody's done over a hundred point swingto come back and win the championship,

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but I think he can pull it off.
He can't do it alone, though.
There is a chance mathematically hecan do this as long as the Oscar screws
up and he wins everything, includingthe sprint races, max wins everything.
So just running some simple scenarios.
If he wins the last two remaining sprintraces and the last five races, Oscar can

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come in second every time except one time.
And Max will win.
But if Oscar comes in second everytime in the races and the sprint
races and Max comes in first,there's a three point difference.
You know what I'm gonna tellyou that's gonna make sure that
Oscar doesn't achieve that.
Okay?
It's two things.
Stroll.
The first one is Lando, andthe second one is Norris.

(01:24:35):
Okay?
Lando is not gonna let it happen, right?
He's either gonna take him out or he isgonna call up Big Papa Papaya, Zach Brown.
He is gonna say, team orders.
You need to put Oscar behind me becauseI'm the primary driver this week.
Remember, that's what'sgonna happen mathematically.
If Max wins the next five racesand the next two Sprint races, even

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if Lando comes in second in allthose races, he cannot beat Max.
Oscar can't beat Max.
Lando can't beat Max.
That's what I'm saying.
Burins got it in the bag because McLaren'sgonna take themselves out if that happens.
If they are not podium or theytake each other out completely.
If Max can win, every is done.

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He's, he is a five time championtelling you it's gonna happen.
The crystal ball, it's gonna happen.
It's gonna happen.
We're not gonna see the stupiditythat we saw earlier this year where
Max is taking people out and comingin like 13th and like whatever he
was doing in the middle of the year.
Well, he was doing thatfor Christian Horner.
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
But I'm also wondering if some of thatwas like, to get to this point, right?

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Like, all right Max, you gotta throwthese races away because then No, no, no.
Max max.
In the little that he letsyou know about himself.
'cause he is a very private personand although he is having his own
documentary coming out, I forget onwhat service would be as exciting as
that Scott Dixon thing we reviewed.
Yes.

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Because he's that kind of person.
But to my point, he is not thekind of person he would give
a big middle finger to you.
If someone came to himand said throw a race.
He is never going to do that.
He is always going to want to win.
Just like how can he race at Norslife in the middle of his F1 season?
How can he go do GT threeracing and all this other stuff?
Has any other driver evergone and done another series?

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Usually it's like, oh my god, youcan't even go fart in the corner.
'cause God forbid you getinjured and you can't race.
Right.
And yet he's out here doing whatever thef he wants because he can and he will.
He doesn't care, so I, no way.
I believe that he was throwing anything.
His car was crap and he dealtwith it the best way he could.
Eric just wrote the next script for Driveto Survive that he's not gonna watch.

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I'm never gonna watch.
I think also like Max didn't startracing in in GT three, you know, sport
car racing until Christian Horner left.
Am I correct in saying thatit all happened last time?
I don't know.
I thought he was doing a tonof sim racing, but he never
actually competed in a rule.
I thought he did that test with the Acuralike last year and some other stuff.

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Well, was it an actual official race?
The Franz Herman is new for this year.
Well, even the sim racing, he's been toldnot to do it, and he's basically said.
F you because he'll do sim racing wherehe is racing all through the night, right.
Especially like theseendurance sim racings.
And then the next day, you know, he isgetting a couple hours of sleep next
day getting the Formula One car to race.
And basically his answerwas, I just won the race.

(01:27:23):
What's the problem?
Yeah.
And I think that is a valid answer.
Touche like yeah, where's my number two?
Yeah.
I stayed up all night playing mysim racing, but I just came out here
qualified on pole and then won the race.
So because he downs like a sixpack of Red Bull, I mean, come
on, it's gotta be in his veins.
He's racing with rich energy.
Oh man.
That's the secret formula right there.

(01:27:45):
I didn't realize until I was going throughall this stuff with the clubhouse and
going through the vault and the pictures.
When we went to Coda in 2018,been a minute pre COVID, max
was already running at Red Bull.
I mean, he's been in FormulaOne for quite a long time.
To, to your point, Tanya,he doesn't care anymore.
He was basically oneof the youngest people.
He was like 17 or something.

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He was like controversial tooof him getting his license.
Like at the age that he did.
I'm telling you, he's gonna be up there.
People are gonna be talking about himlike Schumacher and Fangio and Senna.
He's gonna be the next one.
Crystal Ball says so.
Well, since you brought up SIM racingthis weekend, EA Sports gave F1
2025 a way for free through Steamfrom Friday night through Monday

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afternoon, and we got our hands on it.
What do we think?
What do we think aboutthe Formula One simulator?
It was a lot better than I wasexpecting it to be 'cause I still
remember, I haven't played a FormulaOne race game since, I don't know,
formula one, 2002 or something.
I don't know, like 1998.
The last time it wasfree and it was horrible.
They were like unplayable.

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As soon as you try to accelerate,you know, spin like a top.
And it's like every time you try toaccelerate out of a corner, they're
sideways and spinning and they wereunbearable, but I was expecting something
similar to this and instead it was notat all like that and it felt very smooth.
And I mean you could tell it wasdifferent than like a Forza or you know,
some other, if you wanna call it sim,some other racing game, if you will.

(01:29:13):
But I was pleased with it, man.
You played a lot newerFormula one game than I did.
The last Formula One game Iplayed was the Nigel Mantle World
Championship on Super Nintendo.
That's like a step above pole position.
No, I'm sorry.
It was the, the last formula onegame I played was the Tiger handheld.
Oh man, you're going way back.

(01:29:38):
That was the only sound effect.
Yeah, no, to your point,I tried it out too, and.
I liked it.
Now the question is, do Iwanna spend the 80 or a hundred
dollars or whatever it costs?
Yeah, that's the problem, the buy-in.
And the problem is here we are at thetail end of the formula one season and
EA iss like, oh, we'll give it to youfor free because 2026 is coming out.

(01:29:59):
And unlike EAs, other products wherelike WRC, they just keep adding to it.
All you had to do was buy it in 2023,and they've continued to just add onto
it and add onto it and add onto it.
Formula One is like Madden, it was like,oh, Madden 22 and 23 and 24 and 25.
So they're following thatmodel and that's what sucks.
It's like, well, I'm gonna pay fullprice, or maybe the discounted price

(01:30:21):
because of this promotional weekend.
But it's like the new onesaround the corner again.
Do you wait for 2026 to come out?
But you're gonna pay a hundred bucks or doyou buy 2025 and look at Dohan, you know,
and other drivers that aren't in the fieldanymore, you know, on the 2025 roster.
I don't know.
My problem with those games is like howmuch improvement is actually made other

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than the roster changes, how much do theyimprove the game itself, the gameplay, the
graphics and everything year over year?
Like you probably played Madden or NBAback in the day, so you know, a lot of the
times it was like reskinning, new boxing.
It never really felt any different.
And every so many years they would changethe mechanics or they would change the ui

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or technology would advance and it wouldforce them to change and they couldn't
just kind of lather, rinse, repeat.
And I think the same is a Formula One.
It's like, okay, well we use theego engine and it's tuned for
Formula One and blah, blah, blah.
And so none of that stuff reallychanges because if you think
about it, the way the cars areshaped don't mean a hill of beans.
In the digital world because there's noairflow, so the cars run at a prescribed

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speed and all those kinds of things.
To your point, I think there's alittle bit more of that regurgitation
going on on the formula one sidethan there would be maybe in any
other game or franchise, you know?
Yeah.
Now, I will say, just to add that it is,and it's unrelated to Formula One, but
related to what we're talking about withthis Sim Aceto, Corsa, you know, they
came out with Evo and Evos been sort ofah, because they released it pre-Alpha

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and every month you get an update andall this kind of thing behind the scenes.
And unbeknownst to a lot of people,probably one of the best kept
secrets in gaming right now is AcetoCorsa Rally, which has been under
development for the last not one.
But four years and they have their ownskunkworks division specifically dedicated

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to it, and it is coming out mid-November.
And I am so stoked.
And if you haven't seen the previews forit, where it's absolutely gorgeous, they
are not releasing the full game on dayone, which is a little bit disappointing,
but there's gonna be some cool stuff.
Come day one in November.
Super excited for that.
And there is one more racing gameon the radar and that is Project

(01:32:31):
Motor Racing, which looks like itmight be some of the guys from Bin
slash Slightly Mad Studios, all thoseguys that used to do project cars.
'cause you know the name project, theydidn't fall too far from the oak tree.
It looks really good.
They've got licensing from Porsche, whichmeans there's some money behind that.
'cause you can't just willy-nilly throwthe Porsche Crest and the cars around

(01:32:52):
without getting into some serious trouble.
Apparently they're gonna haveIMSA GTO racing in that game.
Exactly.
And that is super exciting.
So that's another one that's onmy radar here for the fall winter,
whenever they finally release it.
November 25th, two weeksafter a Seto rally.
So there we go, Brad, spend yourmoney on Formula 1 20 25 or buy
two games for the same price.

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You know what's kind of hard to getinto with the Formula One game, which
I found a little bit of a struggle asI sat there, you know, playing it is.
I enjoyed going to Coda.
Because I know Coda fromliteral firsthand experience.
And then you look at the rest ofthe roster and you're like, oh, well
I don't know any of these tracks.

(01:33:33):
Like other than a Yeah, spa.
No spa.
'cause you've played spaon other racing games.
But then it's like Miami.
What a trash heap.
That's a terrible track.
Horrible, terrible course, right?
Like at least.
You go to something like Forza orwhatever and it's like Watkins Glen and
VIR, and you have these other tracksthat maybe a little bit more familiar,
which makes it fun as well, right?

(01:33:54):
Because there's a littlebit of attachment there.
I don't know, go into some of thetracks that are in the Formula One rock.
It's like this track sucks.
Like I don't even like watchingit, let alone playing it.
Fictitiously definitely got abunch of those on my list too.
So those are all in the negativecolumn in the con column of why I
don't wanna spend the $80 on, youknow, the next title of Formula one.

(01:34:15):
I'd rather have something with alittle bit more diversity, right?
Well, our Motor Sports News isbrought to us in partnership with the
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(01:34:56):
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Well, guys, I guess thatsort of wraps things up.
So let's take it home with a Tracksidereport sponsored by the Northeast

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Region at the Audi Club of America.
Some sad news in the HPDE world.
Let's take a moment of silence here.
For some very upsettingnews to hear that pit race.
Is closing.
Ah, and there's confirmationfrom various sources that this is
indeed true, including directlyfrom pit race's own site.

(01:35:41):
That 2025 is the last seasonfor any racing at the facility.
They are going to bepermanently shutting down.
I plan to include some of ourhighlights from Fit Race for those
that have never seen a lap atPittsburgh International Raceway.
Check out the videos that weinclude with the show notes.
I mean, one of the most fun smilesper mile lap on the East Coast.

(01:36:04):
A heck of a lot of fun.
And it's, I'm just bummed.
I don't know what else to say.
Yeah, it doesn't have the same character.
As Road Atlanta or Wacked Glen, but itwas miles above a lot of other tracks.
And it's just a shame to see places likethis close and there's nothing near it.
It's in the middle of nowhere.
There's no developments.
There's, they claim it's gonna be turnedinto a data center or something like that.

(01:36:25):
You know, there's a lot of speculation,but the land has been sold and it's
just like, it's really, really sad.
And, and I put a, a slightarticle together about this too.
Where are events like the PittsburghVintage Grand Prix gonna go and all the,
the carting tournaments and all the otherstuff that was happening at pit raise.
It wasn't like, it wasn'tbusy, but it just got sold
out from underneath everybody.
And that's.
Sad and kind of tragic.

(01:36:47):
Everybody's got a price, money talks andyou know what happens to the rest of it.
But just because pit race is closingdoesn't mean there aren't still plenty
of laughs out there for you to enjoy.
Clubs like H-O-D-S-C-D-A and ChinTrack Days are running events through
the fall and winter months at trackslike Lyme Rock, Watkins Glen, Sebring,
Daytona Coda, VIR, and many others.
Check out club.gt motorsports.orgfor details and if you're not quite

(01:37:11):
ready to hit the track, don't forgetthat you can find tons of upcoming
local shows and events at the ultimatereference for car enthusiasts.
Collector car guide.net.
Be sure to jump back into our podcastcatalog and check out other programs
we offer like screen to speed theFerrari Marketplace, the Motoring
historian Evening with a legend.
The log book, break Fix, andof course the drive-through.

(01:37:33):
Tune in starting this month for ournewest program, the Racers round table.
That's right, Tanya, that is sponsoredby the Eastern Museum of Motor
Racing, and it's gonna focus onshort track and dirt track racing.
And so that's gonna be like Worldof Outlaws, sprint cars, uh, late
models, all that kinda stuff.
Really interesting.
We released our first episode thismonth, which coincides with our Sunday

(01:37:55):
Niagara Re-released from Watkins Glenabout the history of Niagara Dragway.
This actually had to do with theGolden Age of Gassers, which is
another class of drag racing.
So we kind of kicked it off withsomething a little bit outside
of their wheelhouse, but it was areally interesting conversation with
both amateur and pro drag racers.
So check those out.
The Sunday Niagara and the RacersRoundtable, golden Age of Gassers.

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And I do wanna mention, since we'retalking about podcast episodes,
stay tuned for next month where wehave our holiday shopping special.
Then December.
Normally we would do a best of, butsince we're not doing Tesla this year,
as our New Year's resolution continues,we're going to do December as a Formula
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