October 31, 2025 • 56 mins
Joined by his co-host Mark Gammie, Jon and Mark delve into various topics, including the comparison of the 1970s movie 'Moon Runners' to 'The Dukes of Hazard', car character development, and notable actors. The duo also explores vehicle ownerships like the Ford Fiesta, Mercedes, and the appeal of Range Rovers, detailing personal experiences with repairs, expenses, and the joys of collecting vehicles. They talk about specific car models such as the Ford ST, E 55 AMG, and the legendary Powerstroke Diesel. Additionally, they discuss the environmental impact, reliability, and the market for classic and high-performance cars. The conversation closes with a look into future automobile purchases and the practicality of moped usage in small towns.
===== (Oo---x---oO) ===== 00:00 Discussing 'Moon Runners' and 'Dukes of Hazard' 09:05 Car Talk: Honda CB 1000 Hornet 10:22 Mercedes Updates and Repairs 24:56 Electric vs. Gasoline Cars 26:27 Exploring Mercedes AMG Models 29:05 The Gentle Use of a CL vs. E Class 29:31 Buying the F250: A Well-Written Ad 32:23 The Rampage Motorcycle Lift 33:48 The Search for a Suitable Truck 35:56 The Appeal of Diesel Vehicles 40:37 The Range Rover Confession 45:32 Audi and the RS6 Launch 50:41 Moped Misadventures 52:38 Moving to a New Place 55:15 Conclusion and Sponsor Message====================
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Jon Summers is the Motoring Historian. He was a company car thrashing technology sales rep that turned into a fairly inept sports bike rider. On his show he gets together with various co-hosts to talk about new and old cars, driving, motorbikes, motor racing, motoring travel. Copyright Jon Summers, The Motoring Historian. This content is also available via jonsummers.net. This episode is part of the Motoring Podcast Network and has been republished with permission.
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John Summers is the motoring historian.
He was a company car thrashing technologysales rep that turned into a fairly inept
sports bike rider hailing from California.
He collects cars and bikesbuilt with plenty of cheap and
fast and not much reliable.
On his show, he gets together withvarious co-hosts to talk about new
and old cars driving motorbikes,motor racing, and motoring travel.
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Good day.
Good morning, good afternoon.
It is John Summers the motoringhistorian with Mark Gamy.
I'm back.
You are back?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like you never I'm I'm not evensure if you have been away.
Yeah, I'm not aware of the audio you'reputting these out in so it could have
been a listener might get confused.
That's what I worry about.
The poor blight probablyis super confused.
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I'm in my new spirit ofcoming straight to the point.
Um, have you heard of or seena movie called Moon Runners?
No.
If I told you it was produced, writtenand produced by Guy Waldron, does
that name name mean anything to you?
I've had the name, I'm nota hundred percent sure.
What I would tie it to this movie wasthe prototype for the Dukes of Hazard.
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Okay.
It features moonshine running.
Old man named Uncle Jesse whois looking after three worly
teenager, 20 something types.
They can drive really well.
They make moonshine one's a girl,the other's a, but it is a sort of
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grittier version of, of the story.
So the pub is called The Balls Nest.
Um, the sheriff is called Roscoe.
Boss Hog owns a whorehouse as well.
He's not called Boss Hog.
The Daisy character has run away fromMississippi because her stepdaddy sold her
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to the richest man in town into marriage.
This is set in the 1970s before theDukes of Hazard, like 70, mid seventies.
I would say Judging by the thecars, the cars do not take.
Center stage.
Right.
It's very, I was thinking, I watchedsome of the movie one night and then
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I watched some last night and fellasleep, and then I was watching a bit
more of it this morning before the,before the school run, I realized that
clearly one of the changes between MoonRunners and the Dukes of Hazard was a
decision to make the car a character.
Well, was the film successful?
I, I, I don't know.
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I should have done that before springingit on you as a topic was I, we discussed
an agenda before we came on air, andthen I thought of this topic as well.
It's 'cause when I looked at my pc, themovie was still, was still on and it
made me, uh, it made me, I mean maybethat it would make sense that they
were the sort of changes it had to makecommercially to be more successful.
If you've had a dry run, you're alwaysgonna edit for better success on you.
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Oh, well it, it softened the edges, right?
The, the Luke character.
Is much more interesting in the movie.
The Harder Core, uncle Jesseis interesting as well.
Roscoe and Boss are bothmuch better in the Dukes.
Boss particularly, he has the whiteCadillac and he's a fat bastard,
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but he's not charismatic and funny.
And I actually, it's funny, I watchedanother movie with Sorel book, the
guy that played Boss Hog, and wasstruck by how I, it was at the end
of the movie before I was like, oh,that's the dude that plays Boss Hog
because he's not actually that fat.
He's like padded himself to be Boss Hog.
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The fatness is the acting and then thecigar and the white suit and all of that.
The white Cadillac wasthere in Moon runners.
Duke is a bad guy, but in later episodesof the Dukes he, he's almost is really
too much Loki study here, but he'sa quasi-religious figure because you
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can come to him with your problems.
And he will fix them miraculously.
'cause you have to agree that innumerous episodes the fixes he performs
are nothing short of miraculous.
James Best made the Roscoecharacter come alive.
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The Roscoe character inthe movie is quite thin.
The other cops are moreinteresting characters than Roscoe.
There's a tobacco chewing copin the opening scene where
it dribbles down his chin.
The Duke farm, they don't makea big deal out of the Duke farm
and the way that in the Duke's ahazard before you go in the farm.
There's always like the shot of thefarm itself in the nature with the white
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pickup truck and the Dodge Charger.
They don't make a big play on that.
So I think visually, the Dukes,visually it was far more complete.
It makes you, I guess, as a storyteller,it's interesting because you see
how Waldron crafted what he had.
To go to the big studios, youknow, by having Baris do the car.
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So you have the beauty shot, so it walksand talks a little bit like Starsky and
Hutch, which was the biggest show in theworld when they were making the Dukes.
I'm sure the car idea camefrom, you know, Baris did the
Starsky and Hutch car, didn't he?
Unless I'm mistaken, I edit myselfout if I'm, but Barris did the General
Lee and James Best brought the comedyelement, the crashing into the water.
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That was the same, the car chase scenes,like on dirt roads where they're bashing
panels, that was was there as well,which is was of course how the film
cropped up in my feed in the first place.
And I was like, oh.
Oh, I never watched this before.
The brothers race a 55 Chevy, whichbarely features in, in the movie,
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although there is a scene of theracing and that car is named Traveler,
which was General Lee's horse.
That's how the car is positioned,but it is not the car,
which is used all the time.
There's a, like a fifties Chevy that'sused and clearly a bunch of beater cars,
which the production team were ableto like buy cheap in LA at that time.
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So, you know, the kind of thing that youcould, you know, four door rear wheel
drive, big sedans that they then abuseand clearly paint different colors and
fit different body panels to, and all ofthe stuff that they would subsequently
do to make the episodes of the Dukeswith the rapid cadence that they could.
You know that you'd buy asmany Plymouth Furies, as many
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Dodge Chargers as you could.
So actually, this is interesting, andI don't know if this is true, but Dave
Fryberger, the hot rod editor guy thatdid road Kill, who's now doing his own
YouTube channel, which I, which I watch.
Pretty avidly.
I've, I've gotta say fryer reckons, whenhe did a review a couple of videos ago,
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he did a review of all the cars thathe'd owned and in doing, talked about the
muscle car scene and the hot rod scene inLos Angeles in the eighties and nineties.
He's maybe three or four years olderthan you were, you or I. So almost
the same age, but little bit olderthan, uh, than than Mark Newton.
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And.
He reckons the.
He, he says, as, as I lookthrough these, it's noticeable.
You know, he's a Mopar guy to thecore, so there were a lot of dusters.
He has roadrunners, he's had aroadrunner, an orange roadrunner that
he bought when he was 17 that he'shad, so he's had B body cars, he's had
road, he's had sea body cars as well asthe little a, the little a body stuff.
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What he never seemed to have wascharges, and he addressed that
about halfway through the video.
And he says he thinks it was becausethe production company, Warner
Brothers were buying up all of thecharges that were used, charges that
were for sale, and he goes on sale.
And again, who knows if this is true.
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He had a neighbor.
Who was the guy who used to go andthe line was, and tell the old ladies
that their car wasn't gonna be paintedorange and trashed in next week's
show, which really was gonna be,
uh, I'd certainly heard that thatcon, that that show contributed
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to a death of those particularcars on the secondhand market.
329 cars is my understanding.
That's how many DodgeGeneral leads there were.
I, I mean, you can go to a websiteand check that now, can't you?
I was idly specking.
I was bored last night, so I was,I, after the Mrs had gone beds, I
went onto the Honda website and Iwas specking up CB 1000 Hornet sps.
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And the truth is, there's notmuch to speck up about 'em.
You either get the hornet or you getthe Hornet sp with the Olin suspension
and the, and you can have any coloryou want as long as it's black and
it looks fucking mean as in black.
Quite a fancy one, but I'm not sure Ican justify 10 grand new, even though
that is quite a bargain for that.
Are they a parallel twin?
It's the blade enginefrom a few years ago.
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Oh, so it's like 150 odd horsepower tunedfor more torque, and it's in a naked, like
super nosy, really sharp oing suspension.
40 14th.
Reviewed it.
I went and watched a bunch ofreviews, Neve Z reviewed it and a,
a bunch of other people reviewedit and that all of them were like.
Chef's kiss, it's fantastic.
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Honda should be saluted.
But a lot of people are gonna say, ohwell it's not this and it's not that.
And it's not, it's not the latestthat, and yeah, all of that's true.
But what they've done is done abargain basement, bits from the catalog
and delivered a real belter of a,of a bike for not a lot of money.
You had me, uh, it's gotthe old fire blade motor.
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So what's the latest withthe, what else we got on here?
What's the latest with the Mercedes?
Well, I was gonna ask you.
Oh this.
Sorry.
This is my own, this is my note.
I mean, I can tell you the latest,I've just been to pick mine up from
storage in Lodi where it sat for a year.
Yeah.
And it's been out and I'vebeen driving it around again.
But the weather hastaken a toll on the roof.
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So now basically has a holearound one quarter of the.
Sunroof.
So the sunroof is there, and then there'sa sort of hole around the front edge.
So I was like, you know,it'll be no problem.
I'll put rust cleaner on it.
I'll put masking tape onit, you know, duct tape.
I bought the best duct tapeI could, and Dana agreed that
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it did look less terrible.
Come across the street, right, whichwas my main goal in, in doing it, where
the carbon fiber sort of look stickeron the, a pillar of the driver door
where that had come off and had rustedunderneath and it looked terrible.
I held a piece of cardboard againstthe glass and I just hid it with
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the black rust inhibiting spray.
That's how the pros do it.
Yeah, yeah.
Totally do.
Totally, totally fixed, right?
Fixed.
I was, I was done in about 15 minutes.
Right.
It was masterly, masterly craftsmanship.
So Ollie and I drive intoK one go-karting, and he's
like, what's that noise?
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And I'm like, Hmm, it could, could be.
Could be my roof repair.
Working its way loose and flapping around.
That's definitely what it looks like.
It's, uh, a any tape based repairson like the, we, Angie's St.
Went into the garage for a MOT.
She'd had a little conant with acar park with a one of those orange,
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those yellow painted curbs inmulti-story car parks, which you've
gotta be a bit careful for against.
She hadn't been to this particularmulti-story and she was quite stressed.
So she got a bit of an incidentwith one, a fra car, should we say.
The, the left hand side, the, thenear side curbside of affair, uh, was,
has been a bit sort of pulled away onthe side skirt, so I sort of bd it.
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Um, with some C tape, and that lasted acouple of journeys and then it went in
for an MOT and the Ford dealership rangup and went, ah, we need to fix a couple
of things on this before it goes through.
I went, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Expecting.
And they said, well, the wing mirrorlike needs a, like a little glass in
it or something for the indicator.
I was like, yeah, yeah, fine, do that.
So they fixed that.
And then they said, oh, we needto reattach the side skirt.
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I, okay.
And I'm thinking, well,how, how much is that?
And they, oh, like 20 quid.
I'm like, oh, whatever.
No problem.
Just do that.
Then it arrived back and Iwalked around and looked at it.
They lo and behold, they had gaffertaped it as well just with different
color gaffer tape, and it was attached.
It last did one day until thenext day, and then came loose.
So my gaffer taping is betterthan Ford original gaffer taping.
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Well, my ST was brand new.
Ollie was a baby and was thatage where you have to like nap.
And I went with him to a hot rod show, butit was that age where he was so young that
I hadn't like coordinated it properly.
So by the time we got there,he needed to have his nap.
But I was like, youknow, no harm, no foul.
It doesn't matter that we gothere at noon and I'm not gonna
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be able to go in until three.
You know, this is what it is.
When you have a baby of that age,this is the life that you live.
So, you know, he just like in that, well.
I was feeling that as I backed the fiestainto a spot which had a high curve that
I hadn't seen and broke the clips thathold the back bumper in place, I like,
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oh man, the, the plastic's like an egg.
And once it's broken.
Like you like hit it in the wrongway, it cracks, and once it's
cracked, there's no fixing it.
The best thing you should dois just not worry about it.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, what I found, I can getanother one for 45 quid from a car
that's had an impact on the other side.
Then you have to paint itunless, no it comes in.
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Remember it's, remember it's Ford St.They only came in like three colors.
Most of them were in that blue.
So, you know, I can just get one on eBay.
Pre-done.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
To all those people.
Like all these roverloving people on YouTube.
This is why people love Ford.
This is why people love Ford.
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'cause not only are they good todrive, but when things happen,
the fix is easy and cheap.
Relative to your experience with your BMW.
Oh yeah, for sure.
I mean, look, you might have to put in alittle bit of effort on the basis that.
When it needed a new exhaust, I rang upthe dealership and said, right, I need
a new rear is like midsection back.
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I think I said this beforeand it was 1300 quid.
I was like, not with fitting bro.
And he was like, that is with fitting.
Sorry, that is without fitting.
I was went fuck sake.
So the whole new milltech system was 500 quid.
Okay.
To just get, you know, different stuff,you know, as you upgrade, as you, as you,
um, through the lifestyle of the car.
But yeah, and absolutely it'salways been a a, a benefit.
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I mean, mine only has 21 K on itand I'm, there's an air filter over
there that I still need to fit to it.
It's over in Lodi and I've juggled Lodi.
Now the Mercedes is out, the fiesta'sin, but I've also put a bunch of bikes
in so the Mercedes can't go back in.
How I get rid of a bunch of bikes.
I'll tell you how Tetris it is.
Last time I was in there, when Ipulled the door down to close it,
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it caught on the bike's handlebar.
And I had to do the door back up soI could go back outside so I could
stand by the bike to pull the thingdown so I could lean on the bike.
So it went away from the handlebarand then when the door went down, I
could then climb over the motorcycle.
So yeah, so I dunno what I'm gonnado going forward 'cause it's sort
of over there, but I couldn't bearit sitting around in the street.
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Like just getting toileted by the weather.
Mm-hmm.
You know, the Mercedes is hardlyany better because it's with
the best will in the world.
You know, that spraying a bit of rustonce they've started rusting it just
living by the seaside and stuff, you know.
Well, I dunno what I'm gonna do withit because, uh, for a hot minute there,
it was worth quite a lot of money.
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Because I think we, we talked in thelast pod about these people who believe
that peak car was like the year 2000.
You know, reason I love itis that it's a great car.
It is great to drive and super affordable.
And so as if you are lookingfor a starter classic that you
could actually use every day.
That kind of car is aterrific example of it.
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Only 70,000 of them made.
But here's the thing, right?
In the time since I've had it, the priceshot, the prices on them shot up in the
pandemic and really fell off quickly.
I think at its peak, I thinkI maybe could have got like
seven and a half grand for mine.
I think now it's worth like under $2,000.
I think it's a breaker because it'sin such bad condition, superficially
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like bodily and gamy I know of in thisneighborhood, four other cars of exactly
the same age, two of which are in superbcondition, and two other of which are
in much better condition than mine.
So you've literally, it is thatbeta Jaguar that I always wanted.
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And I just need to acceptthat it is perfect as it is.
And just let it carry on.
Just slow the decay.
That's what I'm trying to do.
That that is indeed whatyou're trying to do.
Which is why I'm street parkingit in saline air, right?
I mean, yeah, it's gonnatake money, isn't it?
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I mean, look, I'm just looking, youknow, because the reason I hadn't,
I wanted to ask about your Mercedes,which is why I had clicked, of course,
Mercedes on our five point bullet listfor the agenda was also talking about my.
A, my sort of potential purchaseof Mercedes, which is much more
loose in terms of the, the budget.
You know, 10 grand, not a millionmiles 'cause it's gonna get used.
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But automatic obviously, whichis part of the reason I just
want something to waft around in.
But again, it's the difficultybecause I thought whilst we're
chatting, I'll check on Autotrader,how many E 50 fives there are.
And there's a eight grand one witheight, 6,000 miles and a 99 plate
because they changed them in my jet.
Mine was current 98 to 2002.
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Yeah, this is a 99 plate.
Looks like yours.
Okay.
Yeah, there, you're right.
There are later ones.
The sort of oh oh 3, 0 4 ones.
Well, those, those laterones, uh, are supercharged.
Yeah, they're like 507horsepower instead of 355.
It's like a, a meaningful increase inhorsepower and decrease in reliability.
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I mean, what I will say isthere's an, this is why I like
the idea of getting a Mercedes.
There's an oh four plate E 55, sothe later one with 220,000 miles.
For five and half.
Yeah, I've seen ones like,this is what I was gonna say.
You limiting it to 60,000 miles.
I, I understand why you did that.
I'd rather take a hundred thousand milecar that's been owned by one or two dudes
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that's got a service history this thick.
And when you meet the dude,he reminds you of my dad.
I'd take that car with a hundredthousand miles on it before I
took a 50,000 mile one from adealer where there was no history.
Yeah, no, I hear you.
I mean, what the thing islike, I like, I mean, I'm just
looking at this E 55 in black.
I like it.
Eight grand for 86,000miles on 99 plate six miles.
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Um, I understand why you won 60 because mywhole challenge, and this is, that's the
thing, this is why I bought another truck.
I've had that tundra a year and I put20,000 miles on it in addition to whatever
other miles I've put on other stuff.
That's the challenge.
Yeah, it's gonna have to wear daily use.
So like not loads of nodes in aworld of video conferencing calls and
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stuff, and you know, I'm gonna getin the train to some appointments,
no doubt if they're in London.
But at the end of the day, you know,I'm gonna have to toot up em down
the highways and highways a bit.
Now look, this, I don't wanna havemillions of cars, but moving to the
new place, there is a room for about.
Five or six, so I couldcertainly have an extra one.
And I like the idea of buyingsomething like that E 55, that I
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actually sort of wouldn't mind.
It can just stay, you know, it can justfind a place and where 10,000 miles a
year, not 20,000 miles a year, but on theother end, realistically with your head,
you should just buy a middleweight, threeliter boo ring, whatever box Mercedes
with all toys so you can have a massagebutt crack and not care about killing it.
That's what I really should do.
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And ventilated.
But the other, the other thing to thinkabout is, is, is, uh, you know, Wayne
had, uh, E three 50 and it was maybe a20 11, 20 12, something like that, when
they had that E-Class, when they had thatsort of squared off, like fender line
and square, little square headlights.
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At the time, I was a bitlike, why'd you buy that way?
And didn't really understandwhy he, why he bought it.
In sport mode.
It was incredible.
It was absolutely incredible and Ithink that's what you have to understand
is that like a 2012 E three 50 insport mode is better than a 2005 A
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MG in sport mode is, if that's your.
You know, I, I don't know.
It might well be, it's just that thegeneration of, you know, the newer
cars are really great in sport mode.
Is, is I guess what I'm saying.
The other thing is, is that i, I, thatyou can do, that I envy you for is diesel.
Yeah.
But like, I can't.
Yeah, I mean, I, I won't let me, I,I, I un I understand why you, you,
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I think it's attractive to me 'causeit's like if there were 3, 3, 5 i's,
and 3, 3 5 D's both available here.
I would want the 3, 3, 5.
I, and I understand whyyou would want the three.
It's just the D appeals'cause you can't get 'em.
Yeah, no, I understand.
Forbidden and all that sort ofthing, but I fucking hate diesel.
Yeah.
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Um, I was telling Ollie I shallshare with you as well, the moment I
had that I hate Diesel moment groupand I took a vacation together.
It was like a weekend break to.
Monaco, or I can't remember where weflew to, but either way, we ended up
renting a car and driving from somewhereto somewhere to Monaco or something.
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Either way, I went to Monaco with Greek.
I walked the Monaco GrandPrix circuit with Greek.
We had this Lancia Libra rentalcar, which, uh, of course you did.
And, and on the drive there was aclimb and an overtake, and I went
to do the overtake and, you know,got alongside right at that moment
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where a gas powered car finds a bitmore power to complete the overtake.
And this thing just bouncedoff the rev limiter.
And add nothing.
And then I 500 revs.
About 4,000 revs.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
And, and so now I'm fighting foranother gear and now it's out of Turbo
Boost and now I'm about to get headon and, and that was the moment where
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I was like, I fucking hate diesel.
Right.
That was the, that's the standoutmoment to me with, with people
that is perfectly acceptable.
Like they, they're not reving like, it'slike, yeah, like talk, talk, whatever.
But like, you know, the, the talk,it just, it just runs outta puff
in a really disappointing way.
The running out of puff ina really disappointing way.
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Is it the oomph when you firstcome in, the gas is lovely.
Oh, that's nice.
The running out of puff ina really disappointed way.
Harley's are a little like that.
Yeah.
Yeah, I can see that.
I mean, I love it.
I, I love it.
And I, and you know, I justbought this diesel truck.
I'm enjoying both, I really enjoyedthe Virin bikes and the torque.
I love, I love the torque andfor an American environment, I, I
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absolutely, I absolutely get it.
Everything has its place.
So a lot of talk.
What I really love is a high revving,naturally aspirated gas motor.
And here I am eulogizingthe one in the BMW.
Um, but before that area, there's anarea where you can really red line
the BMW in like a couple of gears.
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He can, like any, youknow, he's got 180 horse.
He's not a fast car, so, youknow, out of the turn, second and
third, you know, and then intothe, you know, it sounds awesome.
That rush to the red line,that rush to the six grand,
six and a half grand red line.
It sounds awesome.
It's everything that makescars fun and, and great.
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And, and if you don't believeit, that's what's missing with
electric cars, that the zing is not.
Accompanied by the samesense of of theater, it's the
rock show without a sound.
I wanna say something else as well, andI wonder what your thoughts are on this.
I feel like the whole wayelectric vehicles, uh.
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Launch that whole like launchexperience and the building up
of speed that feels completelydifferent in electric vehicles to me.
And, and for a long time.
Well, for a long time, but I spent awhile, I had a ride in Rivian fairly
recently and I had that thought and Isaid as much to the owner and he was
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like, oh, there is fully a difference.
You know, there is fully a difference.
This is a less organic power delivery.
It's u Well, it's, but it's uniform.
It doesn't build it, it's, there'sno sort of like a appreciable feel
of the rev range in the same way.
You know, there's no power band.
It's all power band.
It's just sort of a uniform shove.
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It's a shit ton of shove.
And an exciting shoveand thrilling in its way.
Absolutely.
And faster, you know, most ofthe time in a straight line.
Yeah.
But it comes with a shit ton of weight.
You need to drive the fuckingthings for about 20 years before
you really pay for the, the actualenvironmental cost of buying them.
So I'll stick with the old carsand not ever need a new car.
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Yeah, that's the greenest thing I can do.
Speaking of which, one of the thingsthat came up on the list was like
SL 60 and stuff, which is extremelygreen in me to get like a V 12 Cabrio.
Okay, so I would urge with Mercedes, theA MG products because they do have that
sort of muscle carry kind of edge tothem, which is super, super appealing.
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The, the V twelves, I do feel like a,some of it was everyone at the golf
club as an SL 500, so I'll get a 600.
They did offer extrahorsepower and I did drive one.
A long time ago when I did the smogging,I got to be friends with a guy who did
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work on car, on my cars for me, and hewas doing some work on an SL 600, and
he said it's, it's like, it's basicallylike a really complicated Corvette.
And
that, I mean, sort of, yeah, becausethe thrust was kind of similar and
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it was a two-seater and it was anautomatic, and it wasn't floppy,
but it also wasn't your Nissan three50 in terms of, of how it felt.
Um, the thing with the, theSL 60 fives and stuff is
they're just way too expensive.
But on the other hand, ifyou look at SL 50 fives.
There's loads of 'em.
Yes.
And, and I think the, uh, theimportant thing is the a m genus.
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Yeah.
The, the other, the other one thatI like that's a bit of a, not on
the radar, but there's a lot of themare, there's, there's a few of them
around are the cls, the coupe ones.
Mm-hmm.
They do a CL 65, and I thinkbecause of that, the CL 60 threes.
From the era where they were doing that.
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M1 60 legendary 6.28 grand red line guy.
Mm-hmm.
That motor, you could get that in aCL and the CL 63, I guess because you
know, most sort of collector types wouldrather do the 65, the CL 60 threes.
They always seem pretty good.
Value to, to me, I can't recall.
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Yeah.
I'm just looking at one here.
There's a nice black one, an oh eight.
With 67,000 miles onthe clock for 15 grand.
Yeah, I like the no Cpillar, B pillar as well.
See if you look at, that's nice.
If you look at like a C 63 or an E 63that's been owned by somebody who's
actually like driven it, anybody whobought the CL 63, that strikes me
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as like an older person and somebodywho bought that as like a second car.
It just, I just feel like a CL is likelyto have been more used in a gentler way
than E class or certainly a C class.
I I'm feeling it.
I'm feeling it.
This person's taken panes to take allthe pictures outside of a country pub,
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which is, and let me justtell you, it's a thatched pub.
I was thinking as I, as I was dealingwith the purchase of this, this F two 50
that I've bought recently, that's a reallynice, I I, I was thinking about how.
You do judge on the ad, right?
This truck was quite a long wayaway because I sort of, normally
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I like have a short list and I,but I didn't do that this time.
I just was like, I'm just gonnacall about that particular, I
had two that I was gonna look at.
One of them, the ad wasn'tworking properly, the phone number
didn't seem to be working, soI was just like, fuck that one.
It's in fucking LasVegas anyway, which is.
Seven hours away from San Francisco.
So that's a massive logisticaloperation to look at the, yeah, buy
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the truck and get the truck home.
This one, um, was in Modesto only.
Two hours away.
So a, a much more, uh,realistic kind of prospect.
In the pictures, you could tellhow straight the panels were.
The ad was really well written, andif you just compare that with it's,
it's like, it was only after I'd likenegotiated with the people and bought
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the truck that I was like, you know,part of the reason why I bought this was
because the ad was actually well written.
So I knew that I was gonna be able tohave a proper conversation with somebody,
the kind of person who photographs.
A car half covered by a tarpaulin and then says, five grand.
No negotiation.
Don't waste my time.
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Is that really somebody youwanna be doing business with?
I'm gonna give money to thatperson when you've not you.
You know what I mean?
It just becomes when, when you are juston the shitter surfing, you're like,
Ooh, you know, I'll, I'll like that one.
When you're actually.
Got your hand on the dollars and you'reabout to place the call, suddenly at
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that point you begin to think much moreclearly about what you were, yeah, yeah.
No, that's a fair comment.
So there's F two 50 is a PowerstrokeDiesel seven three Powerstroke diesel.
It is currently wearing 465,800 miles.
Original transmission, original wheels.
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Two owners, dude, like trucksare held to a different standard
when we first got in it, right?
Firstly, Ollie loves it,loves, loves, loves it, right?
It's so totally the truck that he wanted.
Um, you know, he was like, you know,I didn't wanna say, but the Toyota
really wasn't doing it for me.
But this, this is like.
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It really is as far as I can makeout a pretty straight old truck.
Um, I've not done alot of miles in it yet.
It leaks from the front hub and ofcourse the rebuild on that, which I,
you know, budgeted a certain amount infor it's costing, you know, there's a
massive Bay Area tax on that being doneand the Ford guy doesn't want to touch
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it 'cause it's like four wheel drive.
And so the way I led up to this was.
Earlier in the year, I boughta rampage motorcycle lift.
We may have even talkedabout it on the pot.
You are nodding.
That means you remember the video of the,the way that it works, where you, you
sort of, yeah, there's a chalky part andyou put the front wheel in the chalky
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part and you strap the bike down as ifit was in the bed of the truck already.
And then you connect the winch.
The winch motor to thebattery of the truck.
And then you use the winch and thewinch winches the thing up in a
sort of quite magical motion intothe other part of the ramp, which
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is fixed in the bed of the truck.
And you know, then you, and theoriginal thought was, was this is
gonna go in the bed of the tundra.
But the Tandra's such a nice example,and I didn't want to drill the bed and
it means taking the tailgate off becausethe rampage will fit in an eight foot
bed, but it sticks out of six foot bed.
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You, what people do is just take thetailgate off, which is fine, right?
But it means that all the time I'dhave the thing sticking out as well.
It like sticks out a foot.
So you've sort of got thislike it's about a foot wide.
And, you know, a couple of inches,half, that'd be fucking annoying.
It would be.
'cause you bash into stuff all the timeand people will bash into it and you
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know, so I was just like, well, so thenI caught myself surfing like the cheapest
$2,000 trucks that I could, that were low.
So like, you know, like Mazda, Mitsubishi,mighty Maxes and Mazda B 22 hundreds,
you know, those kind of, but two wheeldrive ones, so they're super low.
'cause the name of the game for me,I should have backed up and, and, and
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said this was, uh, you were aware thatearlier in the year I was loading a
CB 900 with John and it fell on me.
It was the one with the Yura pipe.
And as we were going up onto the trailer,if you imagine where it goes up the ramp,
so where it comes off the ramp and intothe bed of the truck, there's a sort
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of low point, isn't that kinda light?
And the exhaust grazed at that pointit was this aftermarket yoshimura
and basically it rocked up onthe exhaust and fell towards me.
And John was just like, I can't hold it.
So like, let it go.
So anyway, so E eitherway it twisted up my back.
So this led to, we were talkingearlier before we came on air about
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my hip being like all janked up.
That's what was the beginning of,you know, me being an additional
level of junkiness of my, uh.
Of my back.
So I was like, I'm not fuckingup my back moving these fucking
crappy motorcycles anymore, right?
I'm just gonna solve this once and for,so hence the rampage where, you know, you
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push a button and it's, and it's done.
But you know, as I say, the truck,which the tundra was meant to
cover too many bases, and I'm justlike, ah, that's not gonna work.
So, uh, I need a truckwith an eight foot bed.
So I was looking for a two wheel drivetruck 'cause it was gonna be low, but then
it was like, you know what, if the rampageis going in, it could be four wheel drive.
I just get a decent, decent truck.
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Then you're like, well you coulddo like the Mitsubishi Mighty
Max or something like that.
Like something little and sensible.
But what you could do is, is dothe like million mile capable turbo
diesel and do the turbo diesel thing,which you've never really done.
You know, don't have anydiesel vehicles here.
We were just talking about how I'mquite attracted to diesel partly.
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'cause you know you can't getthe turbo diesel cars here.
I'd love a turbo diesel jaguar or a turbodiesel Audi that I would definitely,
I know you're wrinkling in your nose.
It's 'cause you get 'em,we can't get 'em here.
So it's quite, it's, it's quite a piece.
So this is lurking at theend of the street there.
It is enormous 'cause it's a crew cab.
It really is huge When youfire it up, when it's in like
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open cycle, it smells the way.
Do you remember the buses usedto smell in Plymouth, that
diesel smell, that like absolutehardcore, unfiltered diesel smell?
It's, it's that, it's,it's, it's really that.
There's a lot of stuff online abouthow legendary the power stroke is.
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If you Google it, there's allsorts of, you know, user groups
and, and all this sort of thing.
It really is, uh, uh, and part of thefollowing is like the mileage, right?
But part of the following is around thefact that there is a very distinctive
exhaust note, and I can't believe I'dmissed it before I bought the truck.
You know what?
It's in that moment where you start itand when you've bought a very high mile.
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Fucking cheap old truck every timeyou put the key in it for the first.
15 or 20 times, you're not really surewhether it's gonna start, are you?
You're a bit worried.
So when it fires up, there's alwaysa feeling of joy when it fires
up with the way these power, thispower stroke, seven, three fires
up and it's absolutely unmodified.
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It's not, you know, because you canturbot charge the crap out of them.
Like Marx has about 800 horsepower.
And that's with like a reliablekind of a, a tune on it.
Obviously not a Californiasmog legal tune.
And that's another thing about it.
This thing just passed smog.
Unbelievable.
So awesome, awesome, uh, piece of kit.
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Not tested the four wheel drive yet.
He told me.
That works.
The windows all work, central lock.
It doesn't, I made my payment to, Ithink the company was called, well,
I modify it for privacy and, and,and all of that, but it was something
similar to Circle M Hog callers.
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That was the, uh, so that's what it's,it's, it has a gooseneck in the bed.
Gooseneck hitch in the bed.
So it was probably hauling,you know, those kind of of, but
like for that sort of thing, youdon't want a high rev engine.
You want grunt low reving,just reliable, you know?
Yeah.
F yeah.
Sort of movement.
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And that's what theyare great at that shit.
They absolutely are.
Yeah.
Well that's why, that's why Iwanted this, this deep Yeah, yeah.
For this kind of thing.
And, and the idea is now the, theramp can stay in it all the time.
And when I do a trip like the Oregon onethat I just did, I can always take a bike
with me and it could just sit in the ramp.
And anytime I want to get out andride, I can just get out and ride.
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And the.
Tundra can still be used asa sort of luxury car way that
we have been using it for.
Now, you might say, well, whydon't you just buy an SUV?
And that's probably what we shouldhave done, but you know, yeah.
Fuck SUVs.
I probably didn't want anSUV, so we didn't buy an SUV.
I'd have done an S suv.
I was looking at Escalades.
I was looking at 6.2 liter Escaladesbefore, oh, of course you were 6.2 liter.
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Of course you were.
Like, well, why would you havethe five three when you're, could
have the six two for God's sake?
Why put up with 300 in change horsepower?
And you could have 400,but that motor un reliable.
Apparently.
That's why I was often, 'causeDaniel was quite into the idea of an
Escalade, but then I read that themotors blow up, so I was like, no.
Yeah, I, I mean, I don't like the SUVs.
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I just, you know, for England, forEngland, it it, I mean for here
it's a totally different thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So they still suck.
It depends, which they still can suckcompared to a proper car is my point.
You know, it's a better formatif they're too high, they're
too big, they're too bulky.
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They're compromises.
Yes, yes.
I, I, I feel all of that, but thewhole like commanding driving position
overrides all of that, doesn't it?
I guess.
I mean the minority.
I, I resisted the SUV thing for many,many years and then when I got that
Durango, I was like, oh, I kind of get it.
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I kind of get why people like, oh no,I mean, I'm sure I would be disarmed
by and, and would enjoy driving them.
I tend to enjoy driving everything.
So, I mean, you know, so I'mgonna make a confession now, mark.
I'm gonna confess something,which you might find appall.
We may not even be able tobe friends after I say this.
I might, I'm hoveringover the hangup button.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's gonna change the friendship of, ofmany decades, but I, I've kind of got a
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hankering for Range Rovers all the time.
They knew I've no fucking interest.
Right.
A knackered one.
Oh, well, okay.
So Harry.
Harry on Harry's garage, Harry Metcalfof Evo Fame and Fortune did an interview
where if you watch one of his, his, hisre his last couple of years, they, he did
an, uh, a 20 or 30 minute video with himand Clarkson of all people sitting on the
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back of their range rovers talking to eachother about why they bought the best one.
And they talk about all the different onesand why the ones that they've got are the
best ones and that you should get that.
So if you are interested, that'swhat you, that's the video for you.
Alright.
Because literally, I'm, I'm in that placewhere I've said before, after I bought
that Tundra, I, I was over sensible.
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It was no more sensible, itwas full stupid from there.
Hence, the crew cab half amillion mile diesel pickup to
simply to move motorcycles.
Like that really was pretty, uh, intense.
Like, I mean, this is the problem.
Yeah, we, I've, you and I havenever been able to stay on Target.
You know, we start with a perfectlyreasonable agenda of 10 grand
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and like 60,000 miles of Mercedesto just wear boring miles.
And then I ended up looking at this 15grand, CLS 55, and then thinking, well,
you know, you know, I like the no Bpillow and it's got a massive sunroof.
So the whole thing had been feelinglike a Cabrio the whole time.
Like, you know, sort ofthat would be quality.
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So, yeah.
And, and that occasionalbackseat counts for so much.
And the other thing about 'em is interms of the cls, particularly the
carpark presence, they're like ageless.
They're completely, I like the side swoop.
I definitely do.
But you know, these awesome search engineswhere you can just put in V 10 and Audi.
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And then just stack rank, then V 10Audi sedan and stack rank cheap to
expensive because that V 10 motor, thoseAudis had, it was Lamborghini derives.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Same one with the guy.
So ab Well, okay, Eric's likeif they break down all the time.
'cause the price is on them.
Dude, if you, the price is on, uh, uh, uh,on like Audi V 10, like an SA or an S six.
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That was the, the models that theywent into versus, uh, E 60 BMW.
M five V 10, the M five is worth way more.
And any E 63 is worth way more as well.
'cause the E 63 and the M five, bothgun classic cars, the Lamborghini
motor Audis are cheap now.
Eric's like, oh, we had one in the club.
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We had one, like a guy brought oneto a track day or something in it.
It like blew up and wasbroken all the time.
And I'm like, well.
You took it to the track, but yeah,just people seem underwhelmed by them,
but I'm like, how bad could it be?
Could you not put the Lamborghinilike exhaust kind of on the Audi,
like, I'm, I'm fascinated by that.
I kind of want one.
There was one I Googled, one up, I,I Googled on Auto Tempest, which is
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like a, you know, search aggregationengine for, for, for cars, which
is kind of useful for America.
Not com no, it's not thorough, Iwouldn't say, but it's, it's pretty good.
It found me, uh, like an eightgrand S six in Kansas City.
Right.
This is like 120,000 mile cars andthere's no like consumer law here.
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It's, you know, you driveoff the forecourt, whatever
happens, it's your problem.
Good luck.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sold as seed as they say.
You know, there's, there's thatto contend with, to say nothing
of the logistics of, a lot of 'emare on the east coast as well, and
I, I don't want an east coast car.
I'd rather have like a. Non rusts carve.
But yeah, I've thoughtabout those as well.
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It's just when it, whowould I get to fix it?
The difficulty I have with them is, again,in my sort of view of Audis, there are
only a handful that were worth having.
You know, objectively there's theRS four, there was R eights, there's
the TT RS 3.2, and that's about it.
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Because most of the other ones weretoo nose heavy and like under steer
and I fucking hate under steer.
Yeah.
Well, that's my objection to them.
I think now as I'm looking at thee sixties being like 15, 20, well
my, my old boss, um, well, my, mysales director at Fastnet had the,
the TT RS 3.2 and loved it, and thenhe swapped that out for an RS six.
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He said he wished after about six months,he rec, he said he reckoned the tt.
RS 3.2 was a better car and more fun.
What year?
RS six?
Yeah, it would've been about ohfive to 10, something like that.
Oh, okay.
Because Eric's thing is the, the producer,Eric the, instead of talking about the
V 10, he was like that first generation.
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Was it the RS six?
Yes.
Yes, it was, um, the first generationRS six because I remember that car
launching because I was at, it wasthe end of my time in tech in Britain.
I was working in London and we.
Rented.
I don't remember if we did it or ifa partner company did it or whatever.
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There was some fucking shindigat Jack Barclay's Bentley
dealership in fucking Mayfair.
Literally, you were the dealershipoverlooks Sir James's Park with Buckhouse.
Just up there, just justup the road kind of thing.
And it was the launch of that, um, RS sixAudi, and that was the first time I looked
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at an Audi and thought, bloody hell, Imight want one of those more than a BMW.
You know, it, it really, I feltlike that and in some ways.
Styling wise, you canargue that was peak Audi.
'cause the car they had was the sedan.
And you remember the way the taillights were on that era of really,
uh, distinctive great looking car.
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I don't know.
'cause 'cause I'm, I, I've an,I've an Audi one that got away
story 'cause I was offered.
Remember when?
Same era as as this probably same,same time I worked with a guy in
the city who did historic groupsea racing of all things he did
like this bar 24 and and so on.
And I guess I always felt like I shouldhave made an effort to get close to
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him, but he was a bit of an asshole.
So that was, you know, as somany successful salespeople are.
So that impeded me, youknow, his general need.
To show off to me constantly, uh,you know, kind of impeded my bill.
Dick Measuring gets tiring.
Dick measuring, got real tiring with,with this dude where wherever you are,
your life was cool, but you sadly weren't.
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He offered me, he had an RS two.
Do you remember those?
They were only wagonsand they were built by.
Porsche wasn't there?
Some shtick like, likePorsche brake calibers.
He had one of those, and I rememberhe offered it to me for 10 grand.
It was under 10 grand.
It was like 9, 9, 9 5 or what?
That was what he, what he wanted for it.
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And I remember saying to him at thetime, you know, that's reasonable.
I just don't have thatmoney to give you for it.
And looking back, that was.
Absolute steal of a deal.
Not that I'd have the car now, 'causeI'd have had it when I left England
and it would've gone at that time.
And then I'd been moresad to have let it go.
I probably would've had to let itgo for less than I paid him for it.
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'cause I'd have probably cured up thewheels and driven the shit out of it
and it not be worth What was That istrue before I uh, are they the ones that
had the little plaque inside the cabintelling you what number it was and stuff?
Dunno.
I never looked at the onesthat were built by Porsche.
Some of them did have that.
I never looked at the car.
Oh.
Probably was never looked at the car.
Can't believe we talkedso much about Howdy.
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Given that you and I aregenerally like, fuck those
things 'cause of the Understood.
Yeah.
Generally speaking, I mean, producerEric will say that producer,
Eric's very disappointed by the UrQuatro, like the original Quatro.
He reckons that's a likea don't meet your heroes.
Kind of a thing.
I mean, I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, I just, I just think ifI, if you think about the Ur Quatro,
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like an early Audi Quatro and youcompare it with Sierra Cosworth,
there's just no comparison in my mindbetween what I'd wanna drive and, and,
and I should say, you and I don't needto have this conversation, but, but
dear listeners, not the three door.
Guy with the big wingthat you are thinking of.
Mark and I are thinking of the four doorsapphire cosworth, which is Sapphire cozy.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
But actually did pack a little bitmore horse, but in the early years
people didn't know what they werelooking at with the sapphires.
So you really did have something thatwas, looked like it was, they were, they
weren't really very Q car when you lookback at 'em, but they were more, way more
Q car than the whale tail two door one.
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Yeah, way more.
Yeah.
And then, but of course by the erathat the Escort Cosworth launched.
By that era.
That was the era that they werebeing used by robbery for robberies
and in ram raids and Yeah.
And all that.
Uh, and the cache justgrew in their coolness.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and you couldn't get insurance couldyou, by the, like the escort Cosworth.
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If you were like 25 years old andliving in London, you could not insure
an escort Cosmo looking, looking back,it's not hard to see why, because.
Every OIC under the sun.
Mm-hmm.
Knew how to hot wire a FordEsco and fundamentally.
That part of an escort Cosworthwas exactly the same as, you
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know, every other bit of it.
There was no, yeah, yeah.
The door locks that you couldscrewdriver on your mom's 1.3.
You could still do the same door lockson the escort cosworth, couldn't you?
So, you know, it's uh oh on, on thatkind of theme, right the other day.
This is a while ago now, butthis is a story worth sharing.
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It was in the area where I wasstruggling with my, uh, with my hip.
So, uh, I booked this like,you know, massage downtown.
I don't wanna use the buses 'causethere's always like homeless people.
Pissing and puking and, youknow, just, I just don't want
to interact with that shit.
I'd like, that was like,that was years ago.
That's not how I'm going to interact now.
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So, but at the same time, to do like aWaymo backwards and forwards for 30 bucks.
I'll do it the first time, butthe second time I'm just like,
you know, I'm gonna do it myself.
So I zoomed down there on the moped,of course, as, as you, as you would.
And then, uh, whilst.
At some point during the massageprocess, lost the fucking key, didn't I?
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So that really fucking ruled.
But it was all right 'cause uh, I, Icame home and, uh, got the truck and a
ramp and just went and got the moped andloaded it in the back of the truck and
brought it home and was like, whatever.
And I priced up and I bought another lockbarrel with a key, but it was gonna be
really fucking annoying to have to changethe lock barrel and, and all of that.
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And then I noticed on my keyboardjust over there in the corner of
the room hanging up, there was somespare keys that had a fob on that.
You know, it seemed likethey'd come with the zoomer.
So although I had lost theoriginal key, there was another
couple of keys that were cut.
Lo and behold, I put them in the,and and they worked perfectly.
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So who knew I had thespare keys all along.
I could have just way mowed home, gotthe spare key and way mowed back and
fired the, uh, fired the thing up.
So that was lucky.
'cause uh, they didn't look likethey were exactly the same, but
they obviously came with it.
And that was enough to, they won't openthe seat, but I'd already disabled that
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the seat lock had already like, jammedup, so I just put some cardboard in it.
And so just.
It goes up and down rather.
That rather nice.
Well, actually, well that'sone of the things actually I'm
looking forward to on the side.
'cause I've, I was looking at a fewdifferent mopeds in the last few weeks,
just as sort of additional thing.
One of the things about thelittle village we're moving to is
it's, it's about a mile or two.
Outside of like the nearest town,and it's not a very big town, but
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it's a proper little English villagewith like, you know, 50 or so
houses in it, something like that.
And it, the town nearby is afew, you know, couple of thousand
people, but like not big, butthe Tesco is right at the top.
The Maori story is right atthe top, multi, um, sort of,
um, thing is right there.
So nipping out to get like a few beers ora bottle of wine or something on a Sunday
is just a little five minute moped away.
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So I was, I quite out the ideaof just having a little moped
to just zip and zip back?
Yeah, I can.
Our back garden will have enoughroom for me to have the gazebo up.
Next to the garage.
So I can have that up a lot of thetime, especially in the winter.
So I can bring stuff outta the garageand work on it in the daylight.
But with the gazebo keeping me dry, dude,I, I love the sound of this new place.
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Yeah, I love the, uh, so the otherthing I'm gonna buy, I decided, you
know, those big ass metals dishesthat you can buy to burn wood.
In the garden.
Yeah.
We've seen those big, thosecopper things that Goodwood always
have 'em at the outside events.
Right.
Whether it's warm or cold.
Anyway, there's always wood burningand you are always like, oh, bit of
an air fieldy kind of place, isn't it?
And yeah, it's a bit chilly in the wind,so you're always quite glad of them.
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But I was scoping one of thosefor exactly that sort of outdoor,
working on the bikes and stuff.
I don't like those chimney things.
'cause like you.
I don't wanna burn outdoor heater stuff.
I'm not trying to take the, you know, theplanet's burning down fast enough without
me getting behind it and giving it aho,you know, but a bit of wood burning is, is
like, you know, it's quite a nice thing.
Anyway.
You can get like reclaimed woodand shit from nearby and stuff.
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It doesn't need to be aprime mahogany or anything.
I'm not flying it in from SouthAmerica, so I'm, yeah, the, the,
the facility for me to fettle withadditional unrequired machinery
outside is, uh, enticing me into, intocruising bike trader for more things.
And of course, bikes have the advantagethat you can fit more things in.
Yeah, they really do have that event.
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Mm-hmm.
And there's a proper side gate, like asort of full on sort of farm gate style
five bar sort of thing on the side.
Wooden one that you, I can, you know,that you can get through to get down
to the side of the house by the garage.
So yeah, my brain is already fillingup the spare space with vehicles.
I don't yet own good news, mark.
Mm-hmm.
Well that note.
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Thank you for your time, mark.
Pleasure.
Thank you.
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Good day.
Good morning, good afternoon.
It is John Summers the motoringhistorian with Mark Gamy.
I'm back.
You are back?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like you never I'm I'm not evensure if you have been away.
Yeah, I'm not aware of the audio you'reputting these out in so it could have
been a listener might get confused.
That's what I worry about.
The poor blight probablyis super confused.
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I'm in my new spirit ofcoming straight to the point.
Um, have you heard of or seena movie called Moon Runners?
No.
If I told you it was produced, writtenand produced by Guy Waldron, does
that name name mean anything to you?
I've had the name, I'm nota hundred percent sure.
What I would tie it to this movie wasthe prototype for the Dukes of Hazard.
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Okay.
It features moonshine running.
Old man named Uncle Jesse whois looking after three worly
teenager, 20 something types.
They can drive really well.
They make moonshine one's a girl,the other's a, but it is a sort of
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grittier version of, of the story.
So the pub is called The Balls Nest.
Um, the sheriff is called Roscoe.
Boss Hog owns a whorehouse as well.
He's not called Boss Hog.
The Daisy character has run away fromMississippi because her stepdaddy sold her
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to the richest man in town into marriage.
This is set in the 1970s before theDukes of Hazard, like 70, mid seventies.
I would say Judging by the thecars, the cars do not take.
Center stage.
Right.
It's very, I was thinking, I watchedsome of the movie one night and then
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I watched some last night and fellasleep, and then I was watching a bit
more of it this morning before the,before the school run, I realized that
clearly one of the changes between MoonRunners and the Dukes of Hazard was a
decision to make the car a character.
Well, was the film successful?
I, I, I don't know.
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I should have done that before springingit on you as a topic was I, we discussed
an agenda before we came on air, andthen I thought of this topic as well.
It's 'cause when I looked at my pc, themovie was still, was still on and it
made me, uh, it made me, I mean maybethat it would make sense that they
were the sort of changes it had to makecommercially to be more successful.
If you've had a dry run, you're alwaysgonna edit for better success on you.
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Oh, well it, it softened the edges, right?
The, the Luke character.
Is much more interesting in the movie.
The Harder Core, uncle Jesseis interesting as well.
Roscoe and Boss are bothmuch better in the Dukes.
Boss particularly, he has the whiteCadillac and he's a fat bastard,
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but he's not charismatic and funny.
And I actually, it's funny, I watchedanother movie with Sorel book, the
guy that played Boss Hog, and wasstruck by how I, it was at the end
of the movie before I was like, oh,that's the dude that plays Boss Hog
because he's not actually that fat.
He's like padded himself to be Boss Hog.
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The fatness is the acting and then thecigar and the white suit and all of that.
The white Cadillac wasthere in Moon runners.
Duke is a bad guy, but in later episodesof the Dukes he, he's almost is really
too much Loki study here, but he'sa quasi-religious figure because you
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can come to him with your problems.
And he will fix them miraculously.
'cause you have to agree that innumerous episodes the fixes he performs
are nothing short of miraculous.
James Best made the Roscoecharacter come alive.
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The Roscoe character inthe movie is quite thin.
The other cops are moreinteresting characters than Roscoe.
There's a tobacco chewing copin the opening scene where
it dribbles down his chin.
The Duke farm, they don't makea big deal out of the Duke farm
and the way that in the Duke's ahazard before you go in the farm.
There's always like the shot of thefarm itself in the nature with the white
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pickup truck and the Dodge Charger.
They don't make a big play on that.
So I think visually, the Dukes,visually it was far more complete.
It makes you, I guess, as a storyteller,it's interesting because you see
how Waldron crafted what he had.
To go to the big studios, youknow, by having Baris do the car.
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So you have the beauty shot, so it walksand talks a little bit like Starsky and
Hutch, which was the biggest show in theworld when they were making the Dukes.
I'm sure the car idea camefrom, you know, Baris did the
Starsky and Hutch car, didn't he?
Unless I'm mistaken, I edit myselfout if I'm, but Barris did the General
Lee and James Best brought the comedyelement, the crashing into the water.
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That was the same, the car chase scenes,like on dirt roads where they're bashing
panels, that was was there as well,which is was of course how the film
cropped up in my feed in the first place.
And I was like, oh.
Oh, I never watched this before.
The brothers race a 55 Chevy, whichbarely features in, in the movie,
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although there is a scene of theracing and that car is named Traveler,
which was General Lee's horse.
That's how the car is positioned,but it is not the car,
which is used all the time.
There's a, like a fifties Chevy that'sused and clearly a bunch of beater cars,
which the production team were ableto like buy cheap in LA at that time.
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So, you know, the kind of thing that youcould, you know, four door rear wheel
drive, big sedans that they then abuseand clearly paint different colors and
fit different body panels to, and all ofthe stuff that they would subsequently
do to make the episodes of the Dukeswith the rapid cadence that they could.
You know that you'd buy asmany Plymouth Furies, as many
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Dodge Chargers as you could.
So actually, this is interesting, andI don't know if this is true, but Dave
Fryberger, the hot rod editor guy thatdid road Kill, who's now doing his own
YouTube channel, which I, which I watch.
Pretty avidly.
I've, I've gotta say fryer reckons, whenhe did a review a couple of videos ago,
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he did a review of all the cars thathe'd owned and in doing, talked about the
muscle car scene and the hot rod scene inLos Angeles in the eighties and nineties.
He's maybe three or four years olderthan you were, you or I. So almost
the same age, but little bit olderthan, uh, than than Mark Newton.
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And.
He reckons the.
He, he says, as, as I lookthrough these, it's noticeable.
You know, he's a Mopar guy to thecore, so there were a lot of dusters.
He has roadrunners, he's had aroadrunner, an orange roadrunner that
he bought when he was 17 that he'shad, so he's had B body cars, he's had
road, he's had sea body cars as well asthe little a, the little a body stuff.
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What he never seemed to have wascharges, and he addressed that
about halfway through the video.
And he says he thinks it was becausethe production company, Warner
Brothers were buying up all of thecharges that were used, charges that
were for sale, and he goes on sale.
And again, who knows if this is true.
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He had a neighbor.
Who was the guy who used to go andthe line was, and tell the old ladies
that their car wasn't gonna be paintedorange and trashed in next week's
show, which really was gonna be,
uh, I'd certainly heard that thatcon, that that show contributed
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to a death of those particularcars on the secondhand market.
329 cars is my understanding.
That's how many DodgeGeneral leads there were.
I, I mean, you can go to a websiteand check that now, can't you?
I was idly specking.
I was bored last night, so I was,I, after the Mrs had gone beds, I
went onto the Honda website and Iwas specking up CB 1000 Hornet sps.
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And the truth is, there's notmuch to speck up about 'em.
You either get the hornet or you getthe Hornet sp with the Olin suspension
and the, and you can have any coloryou want as long as it's black and
it looks fucking mean as in black.
Quite a fancy one, but I'm not sure Ican justify 10 grand new, even though
that is quite a bargain for that.
Are they a parallel twin?
It's the blade enginefrom a few years ago.
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Oh, so it's like 150 odd horsepower tunedfor more torque, and it's in a naked, like
super nosy, really sharp oing suspension.
40 14th.
Reviewed it.
I went and watched a bunch ofreviews, Neve Z reviewed it and a,
a bunch of other people reviewedit and that all of them were like.
Chef's kiss, it's fantastic.
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Honda should be saluted.
But a lot of people are gonna say, ohwell it's not this and it's not that.
And it's not, it's not the latestthat, and yeah, all of that's true.
But what they've done is done abargain basement, bits from the catalog
and delivered a real belter of a,of a bike for not a lot of money.
You had me, uh, it's gotthe old fire blade motor.
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So what's the latest withthe, what else we got on here?
What's the latest with the Mercedes?
Well, I was gonna ask you.
Oh this.
Sorry.
This is my own, this is my note.
I mean, I can tell you the latest,I've just been to pick mine up from
storage in Lodi where it sat for a year.
Yeah.
And it's been out and I'vebeen driving it around again.
But the weather hastaken a toll on the roof.
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So now basically has a holearound one quarter of the.
Sunroof.
So the sunroof is there, and then there'sa sort of hole around the front edge.
So I was like, you know,it'll be no problem.
I'll put rust cleaner on it.
I'll put masking tape onit, you know, duct tape.
I bought the best duct tapeI could, and Dana agreed that
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it did look less terrible.
Come across the street, right, whichwas my main goal in, in doing it, where
the carbon fiber sort of look stickeron the, a pillar of the driver door
where that had come off and had rustedunderneath and it looked terrible.
I held a piece of cardboard againstthe glass and I just hid it with
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the black rust inhibiting spray.
That's how the pros do it.
Yeah, yeah.
Totally do.
Totally, totally fixed, right?
Fixed.
I was, I was done in about 15 minutes.
Right.
It was masterly, masterly craftsmanship.
So Ollie and I drive intoK one go-karting, and he's
like, what's that noise?
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And I'm like, Hmm, it could, could be.
Could be my roof repair.
Working its way loose and flapping around.
That's definitely what it looks like.
It's, uh, a any tape based repairson like the, we, Angie's St.
Went into the garage for a MOT.
She'd had a little conant with acar park with a one of those orange,
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those yellow painted curbs inmulti-story car parks, which you've
gotta be a bit careful for against.
She hadn't been to this particularmulti-story and she was quite stressed.
So she got a bit of an incidentwith one, a fra car, should we say.
The, the left hand side, the, thenear side curbside of affair, uh, was,
has been a bit sort of pulled away onthe side skirt, so I sort of bd it.
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Um, with some C tape, and that lasted acouple of journeys and then it went in
for an MOT and the Ford dealership rangup and went, ah, we need to fix a couple
of things on this before it goes through.
I went, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Expecting.
And they said, well, the wing mirrorlike needs a, like a little glass in
it or something for the indicator.
I was like, yeah, yeah, fine, do that.
So they fixed that.
And then they said, oh, we needto reattach the side skirt.
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I, okay.
And I'm thinking, well,how, how much is that?
And they, oh, like 20 quid.
I'm like, oh, whatever.
No problem.
Just do that.
Then it arrived back and Iwalked around and looked at it.
They lo and behold, they had gaffertaped it as well just with different
color gaffer tape, and it was attached.
It last did one day until thenext day, and then came loose.
So my gaffer taping is betterthan Ford original gaffer taping.
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Well, my ST was brand new.
Ollie was a baby and was thatage where you have to like nap.
And I went with him to a hot rod show, butit was that age where he was so young that
I hadn't like coordinated it properly.
So by the time we got there,he needed to have his nap.
But I was like, youknow, no harm, no foul.
It doesn't matter that we gothere at noon and I'm not gonna
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be able to go in until three.
You know, this is what it is.
When you have a baby of that age,this is the life that you live.
So, you know, he just like in that, well.
I was feeling that as I backed the fiestainto a spot which had a high curve that
I hadn't seen and broke the clips thathold the back bumper in place, I like,
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oh man, the, the plastic's like an egg.
And once it's broken.
Like you like hit it in the wrongway, it cracks, and once it's
cracked, there's no fixing it.
The best thing you should dois just not worry about it.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, what I found, I can getanother one for 45 quid from a car
that's had an impact on the other side.
Then you have to paint itunless, no it comes in.
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Remember it's, remember it's Ford St.They only came in like three colors.
Most of them were in that blue.
So, you know, I can just get one on eBay.
Pre-done.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
To all those people.
Like all these roverloving people on YouTube.
This is why people love Ford.
This is why people love Ford.
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'cause not only are they good todrive, but when things happen,
the fix is easy and cheap.
Relative to your experience with your BMW.
Oh yeah, for sure.
I mean, look, you might have to put in alittle bit of effort on the basis that.
When it needed a new exhaust, I rang upthe dealership and said, right, I need
a new rear is like midsection back.
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I think I said this beforeand it was 1300 quid.
I was like, not with fitting bro.
And he was like, that is with fitting.
Sorry, that is without fitting.
I was went fuck sake.
So the whole new milltech system was 500 quid.
Okay.
To just get, you know, different stuff,you know, as you upgrade, as you, as you,
um, through the lifestyle of the car.
But yeah, and absolutely it'salways been a a, a benefit.
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I mean, mine only has 21 K on itand I'm, there's an air filter over
there that I still need to fit to it.
It's over in Lodi and I've juggled Lodi.
Now the Mercedes is out, the fiesta'sin, but I've also put a bunch of bikes
in so the Mercedes can't go back in.
How I get rid of a bunch of bikes.
I'll tell you how Tetris it is.
Last time I was in there, when Ipulled the door down to close it,
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it caught on the bike's handlebar.
And I had to do the door back up soI could go back outside so I could
stand by the bike to pull the thingdown so I could lean on the bike.
So it went away from the handlebarand then when the door went down, I
could then climb over the motorcycle.
So yeah, so I dunno what I'm gonnado going forward 'cause it's sort
of over there, but I couldn't bearit sitting around in the street.
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Like just getting toileted by the weather.
Mm-hmm.
You know, the Mercedes is hardlyany better because it's with
the best will in the world.
You know, that spraying a bit of rustonce they've started rusting it just
living by the seaside and stuff, you know.
Well, I dunno what I'm gonna do withit because, uh, for a hot minute there,
it was worth quite a lot of money.
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Because I think we, we talked in thelast pod about these people who believe
that peak car was like the year 2000.
You know, reason I love itis that it's a great car.
It is great to drive and super affordable.
And so as if you are lookingfor a starter classic that you
could actually use every day.
That kind of car is aterrific example of it.
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Only 70,000 of them made.
But here's the thing, right?
In the time since I've had it, the priceshot, the prices on them shot up in the
pandemic and really fell off quickly.
I think at its peak, I thinkI maybe could have got like
seven and a half grand for mine.
I think now it's worth like under $2,000.
I think it's a breaker because it'sin such bad condition, superficially
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like bodily and gamy I know of in thisneighborhood, four other cars of exactly
the same age, two of which are in superbcondition, and two other of which are
in much better condition than mine.
So you've literally, it is thatbeta Jaguar that I always wanted.
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And I just need to acceptthat it is perfect as it is.
And just let it carry on.
Just slow the decay.
That's what I'm trying to do.
That that is indeed whatyou're trying to do.
Which is why I'm street parkingit in saline air, right?
I mean, yeah, it's gonnatake money, isn't it?
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I mean, look, I'm just looking, youknow, because the reason I hadn't,
I wanted to ask about your Mercedes,which is why I had clicked, of course,
Mercedes on our five point bullet listfor the agenda was also talking about my.
A, my sort of potential purchaseof Mercedes, which is much more
loose in terms of the, the budget.
You know, 10 grand, not a millionmiles 'cause it's gonna get used.
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But automatic obviously, whichis part of the reason I just
want something to waft around in.
But again, it's the difficultybecause I thought whilst we're
chatting, I'll check on Autotrader,how many E 50 fives there are.
And there's a eight grand one witheight, 6,000 miles and a 99 plate
because they changed them in my jet.
Mine was current 98 to 2002.
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Yeah, this is a 99 plate.
Looks like yours.
Okay.
Yeah, there, you're right.
There are later ones.
The sort of oh oh 3, 0 4 ones.
Well, those, those laterones, uh, are supercharged.
Yeah, they're like 507horsepower instead of 355.
It's like a, a meaningful increase inhorsepower and decrease in reliability.
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I mean, what I will say isthere's an, this is why I like
the idea of getting a Mercedes.
There's an oh four plate E 55, sothe later one with 220,000 miles.
For five and half.
Yeah, I've seen ones like,this is what I was gonna say.
You limiting it to 60,000 miles.
I, I understand why you did that.
I'd rather take a hundred thousand milecar that's been owned by one or two dudes
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that's got a service history this thick.
And when you meet the dude,he reminds you of my dad.
I'd take that car with a hundredthousand miles on it before I
took a 50,000 mile one from adealer where there was no history.
Yeah, no, I hear you.
I mean, what the thing islike, I like, I mean, I'm just
looking at this E 55 in black.
I like it.
Eight grand for 86,000miles on 99 plate six miles.
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Um, I understand why you won 60 because mywhole challenge, and this is, that's the
thing, this is why I bought another truck.
I've had that tundra a year and I put20,000 miles on it in addition to whatever
other miles I've put on other stuff.
That's the challenge.
Yeah, it's gonna have to wear daily use.
So like not loads of nodes in aworld of video conferencing calls and
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stuff, and you know, I'm gonna getin the train to some appointments,
no doubt if they're in London.
But at the end of the day, you know,I'm gonna have to toot up em down
the highways and highways a bit.
Now look, this, I don't wanna havemillions of cars, but moving to the
new place, there is a room for about.
Five or six, so I couldcertainly have an extra one.
And I like the idea of buyingsomething like that E 55, that I
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actually sort of wouldn't mind.
It can just stay, you know, it can justfind a place and where 10,000 miles a
year, not 20,000 miles a year, but on theother end, realistically with your head,
you should just buy a middleweight, threeliter boo ring, whatever box Mercedes
with all toys so you can have a massagebutt crack and not care about killing it.
That's what I really should do.
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And ventilated.
But the other, the other thing to thinkabout is, is, is, uh, you know, Wayne
had, uh, E three 50 and it was maybe a20 11, 20 12, something like that, when
they had that E-Class, when they had thatsort of squared off, like fender line
and square, little square headlights.
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At the time, I was a bitlike, why'd you buy that way?
And didn't really understandwhy he, why he bought it.
In sport mode.
It was incredible.
It was absolutely incredible and Ithink that's what you have to understand
is that like a 2012 E three 50 insport mode is better than a 2005 A
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MG in sport mode is, if that's your.
You know, I, I don't know.
It might well be, it's just that thegeneration of, you know, the newer
cars are really great in sport mode.
Is, is I guess what I'm saying.
The other thing is, is that i, I, thatyou can do, that I envy you for is diesel.
Yeah.
But like, I can't.
Yeah, I mean, I, I won't let me, I,I, I un I understand why you, you,
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I think it's attractive to me 'causeit's like if there were 3, 3, 5 i's,
and 3, 3 5 D's both available here.
I would want the 3, 3, 5.
I, and I understand whyyou would want the three.
It's just the D appeals'cause you can't get 'em.
Yeah, no, I understand.
Forbidden and all that sort ofthing, but I fucking hate diesel.
Yeah.
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Um, I was telling Ollie I shallshare with you as well, the moment I
had that I hate Diesel moment groupand I took a vacation together.
It was like a weekend break to.
Monaco, or I can't remember where weflew to, but either way, we ended up
renting a car and driving from somewhereto somewhere to Monaco or something.
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Either way, I went to Monaco with Greek.
I walked the Monaco GrandPrix circuit with Greek.
We had this Lancia Libra rentalcar, which, uh, of course you did.
And, and on the drive there was aclimb and an overtake, and I went
to do the overtake and, you know,got alongside right at that moment
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where a gas powered car finds a bitmore power to complete the overtake.
And this thing just bouncedoff the rev limiter.
And add nothing.
And then I 500 revs.
About 4,000 revs.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
And, and so now I'm fighting foranother gear and now it's out of Turbo
Boost and now I'm about to get headon and, and that was the moment where
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I was like, I fucking hate diesel.
Right.
That was the, that's the standoutmoment to me with, with people
that is perfectly acceptable.
Like they, they're not reving like, it'slike, yeah, like talk, talk, whatever.
But like, you know, the, the talk,it just, it just runs outta puff
in a really disappointing way.
The running out of puff ina really disappointing way.
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Is it the oomph when you firstcome in, the gas is lovely.
Oh, that's nice.
The running out of puff ina really disappointed way.
Harley's are a little like that.
Yeah.
Yeah, I can see that.
I mean, I love it.
I, I love it.
And I, and you know, I justbought this diesel truck.
I'm enjoying both, I really enjoyedthe Virin bikes and the torque.
I love, I love the torque andfor an American environment, I, I
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absolutely, I absolutely get it.
Everything has its place.
So a lot of talk.
What I really love is a high revving,naturally aspirated gas motor.
And here I am eulogizingthe one in the BMW.
Um, but before that area, there's anarea where you can really red line
the BMW in like a couple of gears.
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He can, like any, youknow, he's got 180 horse.
He's not a fast car, so, youknow, out of the turn, second and
third, you know, and then intothe, you know, it sounds awesome.
That rush to the red line,that rush to the six grand,
six and a half grand red line.
It sounds awesome.
It's everything that makescars fun and, and great.
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And, and if you don't believeit, that's what's missing with
electric cars, that the zing is not.
Accompanied by the samesense of of theater, it's the
rock show without a sound.
I wanna say something else as well, andI wonder what your thoughts are on this.
I feel like the whole wayelectric vehicles, uh.
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Launch that whole like launchexperience and the building up
of speed that feels completelydifferent in electric vehicles to me.
And, and for a long time.
Well, for a long time, but I spent awhile, I had a ride in Rivian fairly
recently and I had that thought and Isaid as much to the owner and he was
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like, oh, there is fully a difference.
You know, there is fully a difference.
This is a less organic power delivery.
It's u Well, it's, but it's uniform.
It doesn't build it, it's, there'sno sort of like a appreciable feel
of the rev range in the same way.
You know, there's no power band.
It's all power band.
It's just sort of a uniform shove.
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It's a shit ton of shove.
And an exciting shoveand thrilling in its way.
Absolutely.
And faster, you know, most ofthe time in a straight line.
Yeah.
But it comes with a shit ton of weight.
You need to drive the fuckingthings for about 20 years before
you really pay for the, the actualenvironmental cost of buying them.
So I'll stick with the old carsand not ever need a new car.
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Yeah, that's the greenest thing I can do.
Speaking of which, one of the thingsthat came up on the list was like
SL 60 and stuff, which is extremelygreen in me to get like a V 12 Cabrio.
Okay, so I would urge with Mercedes, theA MG products because they do have that
sort of muscle carry kind of edge tothem, which is super, super appealing.
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The, the V twelves, I do feel like a,some of it was everyone at the golf
club as an SL 500, so I'll get a 600.
They did offer extrahorsepower and I did drive one.
A long time ago when I did the smogging,I got to be friends with a guy who did
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work on car, on my cars for me, and hewas doing some work on an SL 600, and
he said it's, it's like, it's basicallylike a really complicated Corvette.
And
that, I mean, sort of, yeah, becausethe thrust was kind of similar and
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it was a two-seater and it was anautomatic, and it wasn't floppy,
but it also wasn't your Nissan three50 in terms of, of how it felt.
Um, the thing with the, theSL 60 fives and stuff is
they're just way too expensive.
But on the other hand, ifyou look at SL 50 fives.
There's loads of 'em.
Yes.
And, and I think the, uh, theimportant thing is the a m genus.
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Yeah.
The, the other, the other one thatI like that's a bit of a, not on
the radar, but there's a lot of themare, there's, there's a few of them
around are the cls, the coupe ones.
Mm-hmm.
They do a CL 65, and I thinkbecause of that, the CL 60 threes.
From the era where they were doing that.
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M1 60 legendary 6.28 grand red line guy.
Mm-hmm.
That motor, you could get that in aCL and the CL 63, I guess because you
know, most sort of collector types wouldrather do the 65, the CL 60 threes.
They always seem pretty good.
Value to, to me, I can't recall.
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Yeah.
I'm just looking at one here.
There's a nice black one, an oh eight.
With 67,000 miles onthe clock for 15 grand.
Yeah, I like the no Cpillar, B pillar as well.
See if you look at, that's nice.
If you look at like a C 63 or an E 63that's been owned by somebody who's
actually like driven it, anybody whobought the CL 63, that strikes me
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as like an older person and somebodywho bought that as like a second car.
It just, I just feel like a CL is likelyto have been more used in a gentler way
than E class or certainly a C class.
I I'm feeling it.
I'm feeling it.
This person's taken panes to take allthe pictures outside of a country pub,
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which is, and let me justtell you, it's a thatched pub.
I was thinking as I, as I was dealingwith the purchase of this, this F two 50
that I've bought recently, that's a reallynice, I I, I was thinking about how.
You do judge on the ad, right?
This truck was quite a long wayaway because I sort of, normally
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I like have a short list and I,but I didn't do that this time.
I just was like, I'm just gonnacall about that particular, I
had two that I was gonna look at.
One of them, the ad wasn'tworking properly, the phone number
didn't seem to be working, soI was just like, fuck that one.
It's in fucking LasVegas anyway, which is.
Seven hours away from San Francisco.
So that's a massive logisticaloperation to look at the, yeah, buy
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the truck and get the truck home.
This one, um, was in Modesto only.
Two hours away.
So a, a much more, uh,realistic kind of prospect.
In the pictures, you could tellhow straight the panels were.
The ad was really well written, andif you just compare that with it's,
it's like, it was only after I'd likenegotiated with the people and bought
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the truck that I was like, you know,part of the reason why I bought this was
because the ad was actually well written.
So I knew that I was gonna be able tohave a proper conversation with somebody,
the kind of person who photographs.
A car half covered by a tarpaulin and then says, five grand.
No negotiation.
Don't waste my time.
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Is that really somebody youwanna be doing business with?
I'm gonna give money to thatperson when you've not you.
You know what I mean?
It just becomes when, when you are juston the shitter surfing, you're like,
Ooh, you know, I'll, I'll like that one.
When you're actually.
Got your hand on the dollars and you'reabout to place the call, suddenly at
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that point you begin to think much moreclearly about what you were, yeah, yeah.
No, that's a fair comment.
So there's F two 50 is a PowerstrokeDiesel seven three Powerstroke diesel.
It is currently wearing 465,800 miles.
Original transmission, original wheels.
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Two owners, dude, like trucksare held to a different standard
when we first got in it, right?
Firstly, Ollie loves it,loves, loves, loves it, right?
It's so totally the truck that he wanted.
Um, you know, he was like, you know,I didn't wanna say, but the Toyota
really wasn't doing it for me.
But this, this is like.
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It really is as far as I can makeout a pretty straight old truck.
Um, I've not done alot of miles in it yet.
It leaks from the front hub and ofcourse the rebuild on that, which I,
you know, budgeted a certain amount infor it's costing, you know, there's a
massive Bay Area tax on that being doneand the Ford guy doesn't want to touch
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it 'cause it's like four wheel drive.
And so the way I led up to this was.
Earlier in the year, I boughta rampage motorcycle lift.
We may have even talkedabout it on the pot.
You are nodding.
That means you remember the video of the,the way that it works, where you, you
sort of, yeah, there's a chalky part andyou put the front wheel in the chalky
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part and you strap the bike down as ifit was in the bed of the truck already.
And then you connect the winch.
The winch motor to thebattery of the truck.
And then you use the winch and thewinch winches the thing up in a
sort of quite magical motion intothe other part of the ramp, which
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is fixed in the bed of the truck.
And you know, then you, and theoriginal thought was, was this is
gonna go in the bed of the tundra.
But the Tandra's such a nice example,and I didn't want to drill the bed and
it means taking the tailgate off becausethe rampage will fit in an eight foot
bed, but it sticks out of six foot bed.
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You, what people do is just take thetailgate off, which is fine, right?
But it means that all the time I'dhave the thing sticking out as well.
It like sticks out a foot.
So you've sort of got thislike it's about a foot wide.
And, you know, a couple of inches,half, that'd be fucking annoying.
It would be.
'cause you bash into stuff all the timeand people will bash into it and you
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know, so I was just like, well, so thenI caught myself surfing like the cheapest
$2,000 trucks that I could, that were low.
So like, you know, like Mazda, Mitsubishi,mighty Maxes and Mazda B 22 hundreds,
you know, those kind of, but two wheeldrive ones, so they're super low.
'cause the name of the game for me,I should have backed up and, and, and
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said this was, uh, you were aware thatearlier in the year I was loading a
CB 900 with John and it fell on me.
It was the one with the Yura pipe.
And as we were going up onto the trailer,if you imagine where it goes up the ramp,
so where it comes off the ramp and intothe bed of the truck, there's a sort
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of low point, isn't that kinda light?
And the exhaust grazed at that pointit was this aftermarket yoshimura
and basically it rocked up onthe exhaust and fell towards me.
And John was just like, I can't hold it.
So like, let it go.
So anyway, so E eitherway it twisted up my back.
So this led to, we were talkingearlier before we came on air about
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my hip being like all janked up.
That's what was the beginning of,you know, me being an additional
level of junkiness of my, uh.
Of my back.
So I was like, I'm not fuckingup my back moving these fucking
crappy motorcycles anymore, right?
I'm just gonna solve this once and for,so hence the rampage where, you know, you
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push a button and it's, and it's done.
But you know, as I say, the truck,which the tundra was meant to
cover too many bases, and I'm justlike, ah, that's not gonna work.
So, uh, I need a truckwith an eight foot bed.
So I was looking for a two wheel drivetruck 'cause it was gonna be low, but then
it was like, you know what, if the rampageis going in, it could be four wheel drive.
I just get a decent, decent truck.
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Then you're like, well you coulddo like the Mitsubishi Mighty
Max or something like that.
Like something little and sensible.
But what you could do is, is dothe like million mile capable turbo
diesel and do the turbo diesel thing,which you've never really done.
You know, don't have anydiesel vehicles here.
We were just talking about how I'mquite attracted to diesel partly.
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'cause you know you can't getthe turbo diesel cars here.
I'd love a turbo diesel jaguar or a turbodiesel Audi that I would definitely,
I know you're wrinkling in your nose.
It's 'cause you get 'em,we can't get 'em here.
So it's quite, it's, it's quite a piece.
So this is lurking at theend of the street there.
It is enormous 'cause it's a crew cab.
It really is huge When youfire it up, when it's in like
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open cycle, it smells the way.
Do you remember the buses usedto smell in Plymouth, that
diesel smell, that like absolutehardcore, unfiltered diesel smell?
It's, it's that, it's,it's, it's really that.
There's a lot of stuff online abouthow legendary the power stroke is.
(36:43):
If you Google it, there's allsorts of, you know, user groups
and, and all this sort of thing.
It really is, uh, uh, and part of thefollowing is like the mileage, right?
But part of the following is around thefact that there is a very distinctive
exhaust note, and I can't believe I'dmissed it before I bought the truck.
You know what?
It's in that moment where you start itand when you've bought a very high mile.
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Fucking cheap old truck every timeyou put the key in it for the first.
15 or 20 times, you're not really surewhether it's gonna start, are you?
You're a bit worried.
So when it fires up, there's alwaysa feeling of joy when it fires
up with the way these power, thispower stroke, seven, three fires
up and it's absolutely unmodified.
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It's not, you know, because you canturbot charge the crap out of them.
Like Marx has about 800 horsepower.
And that's with like a reliablekind of a, a tune on it.
Obviously not a Californiasmog legal tune.
And that's another thing about it.
This thing just passed smog.
Unbelievable.
So awesome, awesome, uh, piece of kit.
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Not tested the four wheel drive yet.
He told me.
That works.
The windows all work, central lock.
It doesn't, I made my payment to, Ithink the company was called, well,
I modify it for privacy and, and,and all of that, but it was something
similar to Circle M Hog callers.
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That was the, uh, so that's what it's,it's, it has a gooseneck in the bed.
Gooseneck hitch in the bed.
So it was probably hauling,you know, those kind of of, but
like for that sort of thing, youdon't want a high rev engine.
You want grunt low reving,just reliable, you know?
Yeah.
F yeah.
Sort of movement.
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And that's what theyare great at that shit.
They absolutely are.
Yeah.
Well that's why, that's why Iwanted this, this deep Yeah, yeah.
For this kind of thing.
And, and the idea is now the, theramp can stay in it all the time.
And when I do a trip like the Oregon onethat I just did, I can always take a bike
with me and it could just sit in the ramp.
And anytime I want to get out andride, I can just get out and ride.
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And the.
Tundra can still be used asa sort of luxury car way that
we have been using it for.
Now, you might say, well, whydon't you just buy an SUV?
And that's probably what we shouldhave done, but you know, yeah.
Fuck SUVs.
I probably didn't want anSUV, so we didn't buy an SUV.
I'd have done an S suv.
I was looking at Escalades.
I was looking at 6.2 liter Escaladesbefore, oh, of course you were 6.2 liter.
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Of course you were.
Like, well, why would you havethe five three when you're, could
have the six two for God's sake?
Why put up with 300 in change horsepower?
And you could have 400,but that motor un reliable.
Apparently.
That's why I was often, 'causeDaniel was quite into the idea of an
Escalade, but then I read that themotors blow up, so I was like, no.
Yeah, I, I mean, I don't like the SUVs.
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I just, you know, for England, forEngland, it it, I mean for here
it's a totally different thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So they still suck.
It depends, which they still can suckcompared to a proper car is my point.
You know, it's a better formatif they're too high, they're
too big, they're too bulky.
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They're compromises.
Yes, yes.
I, I, I feel all of that, but thewhole like commanding driving position
overrides all of that, doesn't it?
I guess.
I mean the minority.
I, I resisted the SUV thing for many,many years and then when I got that
Durango, I was like, oh, I kind of get it.
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I kind of get why people like, oh no,I mean, I'm sure I would be disarmed
by and, and would enjoy driving them.
I tend to enjoy driving everything.
So, I mean, you know, so I'mgonna make a confession now, mark.
I'm gonna confess something,which you might find appall.
We may not even be able tobe friends after I say this.
I might, I'm hoveringover the hangup button.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's gonna change the friendship of, ofmany decades, but I, I've kind of got a
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hankering for Range Rovers all the time.
They knew I've no fucking interest.
Right.
A knackered one.
Oh, well, okay.
So Harry.
Harry on Harry's garage, Harry Metcalfof Evo Fame and Fortune did an interview
where if you watch one of his, his, hisre his last couple of years, they, he did
an, uh, a 20 or 30 minute video with himand Clarkson of all people sitting on the
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back of their range rovers talking to eachother about why they bought the best one.
And they talk about all the different onesand why the ones that they've got are the
best ones and that you should get that.
So if you are interested, that'swhat you, that's the video for you.
Alright.
Because literally, I'm, I'm in that placewhere I've said before, after I bought
that Tundra, I, I was over sensible.
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It was no more sensible, itwas full stupid from there.
Hence, the crew cab half amillion mile diesel pickup to
simply to move motorcycles.
Like that really was pretty, uh, intense.
Like, I mean, this is the problem.
Yeah, we, I've, you and I havenever been able to stay on Target.
You know, we start with a perfectlyreasonable agenda of 10 grand
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and like 60,000 miles of Mercedesto just wear boring miles.
And then I ended up looking at this 15grand, CLS 55, and then thinking, well,
you know, you know, I like the no Bpillow and it's got a massive sunroof.
So the whole thing had been feelinglike a Cabrio the whole time.
Like, you know, sort ofthat would be quality.
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So, yeah.
And, and that occasionalbackseat counts for so much.
And the other thing about 'em is interms of the cls, particularly the
carpark presence, they're like ageless.
They're completely, I like the side swoop.
I definitely do.
But you know, these awesome search engineswhere you can just put in V 10 and Audi.
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And then just stack rank, then V 10Audi sedan and stack rank cheap to
expensive because that V 10 motor, thoseAudis had, it was Lamborghini derives.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Same one with the guy.
So ab Well, okay, Eric's likeif they break down all the time.
'cause the price is on them.
Dude, if you, the price is on, uh, uh, uh,on like Audi V 10, like an SA or an S six.
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That was the, the models that theywent into versus, uh, E 60 BMW.
M five V 10, the M five is worth way more.
And any E 63 is worth way more as well.
'cause the E 63 and the M five, bothgun classic cars, the Lamborghini
motor Audis are cheap now.
Eric's like, oh, we had one in the club.
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We had one, like a guy brought oneto a track day or something in it.
It like blew up and wasbroken all the time.
And I'm like, well.
You took it to the track, but yeah,just people seem underwhelmed by them,
but I'm like, how bad could it be?
Could you not put the Lamborghinilike exhaust kind of on the Audi,
like, I'm, I'm fascinated by that.
I kind of want one.
There was one I Googled, one up, I,I Googled on Auto Tempest, which is
(43:49):
like a, you know, search aggregationengine for, for, for cars, which
is kind of useful for America.
Not com no, it's not thorough, Iwouldn't say, but it's, it's pretty good.
It found me, uh, like an eightgrand S six in Kansas City.
Right.
This is like 120,000 mile cars andthere's no like consumer law here.
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It's, you know, you driveoff the forecourt, whatever
happens, it's your problem.
Good luck.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sold as seed as they say.
You know, there's, there's thatto contend with, to say nothing
of the logistics of, a lot of 'emare on the east coast as well, and
I, I don't want an east coast car.
I'd rather have like a. Non rusts carve.
But yeah, I've thoughtabout those as well.
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It's just when it, whowould I get to fix it?
The difficulty I have with them is, again,in my sort of view of Audis, there are
only a handful that were worth having.
You know, objectively there's theRS four, there was R eights, there's
the TT RS 3.2, and that's about it.
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Because most of the other ones weretoo nose heavy and like under steer
and I fucking hate under steer.
Yeah.
Well, that's my objection to them.
I think now as I'm looking at thee sixties being like 15, 20, well
my, my old boss, um, well, my, mysales director at Fastnet had the,
the TT RS 3.2 and loved it, and thenhe swapped that out for an RS six.
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He said he wished after about six months,he rec, he said he reckoned the tt.
RS 3.2 was a better car and more fun.
What year?
RS six?
Yeah, it would've been about ohfive to 10, something like that.
Oh, okay.
Because Eric's thing is the, the producer,Eric the, instead of talking about the
V 10, he was like that first generation.
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Was it the RS six?
Yes.
Yes, it was, um, the first generationRS six because I remember that car
launching because I was at, it wasthe end of my time in tech in Britain.
I was working in London and we.
Rented.
I don't remember if we did it or ifa partner company did it or whatever.
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There was some fucking shindigat Jack Barclay's Bentley
dealership in fucking Mayfair.
Literally, you were the dealershipoverlooks Sir James's Park with Buckhouse.
Just up there, just justup the road kind of thing.
And it was the launch of that, um, RS sixAudi, and that was the first time I looked
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at an Audi and thought, bloody hell, Imight want one of those more than a BMW.
You know, it, it really, I feltlike that and in some ways.
Styling wise, you canargue that was peak Audi.
'cause the car they had was the sedan.
And you remember the way the taillights were on that era of really,
uh, distinctive great looking car.
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I don't know.
'cause 'cause I'm, I, I've an,I've an Audi one that got away
story 'cause I was offered.
Remember when?
Same era as as this probably same,same time I worked with a guy in
the city who did historic groupsea racing of all things he did
like this bar 24 and and so on.
And I guess I always felt like I shouldhave made an effort to get close to
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him, but he was a bit of an asshole.
So that was, you know, as somany successful salespeople are.
So that impeded me, youknow, his general need.
To show off to me constantly, uh,you know, kind of impeded my bill.
Dick Measuring gets tiring.
Dick measuring, got real tiring with,with this dude where wherever you are,
your life was cool, but you sadly weren't.
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He offered me, he had an RS two.
Do you remember those?
They were only wagonsand they were built by.
Porsche wasn't there?
Some shtick like, likePorsche brake calibers.
He had one of those, and I rememberhe offered it to me for 10 grand.
It was under 10 grand.
It was like 9, 9, 9 5 or what?
That was what he, what he wanted for it.
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And I remember saying to him at thetime, you know, that's reasonable.
I just don't have thatmoney to give you for it.
And looking back, that was.
Absolute steal of a deal.
Not that I'd have the car now, 'causeI'd have had it when I left England
and it would've gone at that time.
And then I'd been moresad to have let it go.
I probably would've had to let itgo for less than I paid him for it.
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'cause I'd have probably cured up thewheels and driven the shit out of it
and it not be worth What was That istrue before I uh, are they the ones that
had the little plaque inside the cabintelling you what number it was and stuff?
Dunno.
I never looked at the onesthat were built by Porsche.
Some of them did have that.
I never looked at the car.
Oh.
Probably was never looked at the car.
Can't believe we talkedso much about Howdy.
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Given that you and I aregenerally like, fuck those
things 'cause of the Understood.
Yeah.
Generally speaking, I mean, producerEric will say that producer,
Eric's very disappointed by the UrQuatro, like the original Quatro.
He reckons that's a likea don't meet your heroes.
Kind of a thing.
I mean, I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, I just, I just think ifI, if you think about the Ur Quatro,
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like an early Audi Quatro and youcompare it with Sierra Cosworth,
there's just no comparison in my mindbetween what I'd wanna drive and, and,
and I should say, you and I don't needto have this conversation, but, but
dear listeners, not the three door.
Guy with the big wingthat you are thinking of.
Mark and I are thinking of the four doorsapphire cosworth, which is Sapphire cozy.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
But actually did pack a little bitmore horse, but in the early years
people didn't know what they werelooking at with the sapphires.
So you really did have something thatwas, looked like it was, they were, they
weren't really very Q car when you lookback at 'em, but they were more, way more
Q car than the whale tail two door one.
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Yeah, way more.
Yeah.
And then, but of course by the erathat the Escort Cosworth launched.
By that era.
That was the era that they werebeing used by robbery for robberies
and in ram raids and Yeah.
And all that.
Uh, and the cache justgrew in their coolness.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and you couldn't get insurance couldyou, by the, like the escort Cosworth.
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If you were like 25 years old andliving in London, you could not insure
an escort Cosmo looking, looking back,it's not hard to see why, because.
Every OIC under the sun.
Mm-hmm.
Knew how to hot wire a FordEsco and fundamentally.
That part of an escort Cosworthwas exactly the same as, you
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know, every other bit of it.
There was no, yeah, yeah.
The door locks that you couldscrewdriver on your mom's 1.3.
You could still do the same door lockson the escort cosworth, couldn't you?
So, you know, it's uh oh on, on thatkind of theme, right the other day.
This is a while ago now, butthis is a story worth sharing.
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It was in the area where I wasstruggling with my, uh, with my hip.
So, uh, I booked this like,you know, massage downtown.
I don't wanna use the buses 'causethere's always like homeless people.
Pissing and puking and, youknow, just, I just don't want
to interact with that shit.
I'd like, that was like,that was years ago.
That's not how I'm going to interact now.
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So, but at the same time, to do like aWaymo backwards and forwards for 30 bucks.
I'll do it the first time, butthe second time I'm just like,
you know, I'm gonna do it myself.
So I zoomed down there on the moped,of course, as, as you, as you would.
And then, uh, whilst.
At some point during the massageprocess, lost the fucking key, didn't I?
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So that really fucking ruled.
But it was all right 'cause uh, I, Icame home and, uh, got the truck and a
ramp and just went and got the moped andloaded it in the back of the truck and
brought it home and was like, whatever.
And I priced up and I bought another lockbarrel with a key, but it was gonna be
really fucking annoying to have to changethe lock barrel and, and all of that.
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And then I noticed on my keyboardjust over there in the corner of
the room hanging up, there was somespare keys that had a fob on that.
You know, it seemed likethey'd come with the zoomer.
So although I had lost theoriginal key, there was another
couple of keys that were cut.
Lo and behold, I put them in the,and and they worked perfectly.
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So who knew I had thespare keys all along.
I could have just way mowed home, gotthe spare key and way mowed back and
fired the, uh, fired the thing up.
So that was lucky.
'cause uh, they didn't look likethey were exactly the same, but
they obviously came with it.
And that was enough to, they won't openthe seat, but I'd already disabled that
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the seat lock had already like, jammedup, so I just put some cardboard in it.
And so just.
It goes up and down rather.
That rather nice.
Well, actually, well that'sone of the things actually I'm
looking forward to on the side.
'cause I've, I was looking at a fewdifferent mopeds in the last few weeks,
just as sort of additional thing.
One of the things about thelittle village we're moving to is
it's, it's about a mile or two.
Outside of like the nearest town,and it's not a very big town, but
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it's a proper little English villagewith like, you know, 50 or so
houses in it, something like that.
And it, the town nearby is afew, you know, couple of thousand
people, but like not big, butthe Tesco is right at the top.
The Maori story is right atthe top, multi, um, sort of,
um, thing is right there.
So nipping out to get like a few beers ora bottle of wine or something on a Sunday
is just a little five minute moped away.
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So I was, I quite out the ideaof just having a little moped
to just zip and zip back?
Yeah, I can.
Our back garden will have enoughroom for me to have the gazebo up.
Next to the garage.
So I can have that up a lot of thetime, especially in the winter.
So I can bring stuff outta the garageand work on it in the daylight.
But with the gazebo keeping me dry, dude,I, I love the sound of this new place.
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Yeah, I love the, uh, so the otherthing I'm gonna buy, I decided, you
know, those big ass metals dishesthat you can buy to burn wood.
In the garden.
Yeah.
We've seen those big, thosecopper things that Goodwood always
have 'em at the outside events.
Right.
Whether it's warm or cold.
Anyway, there's always wood burningand you are always like, oh, bit of
an air fieldy kind of place, isn't it?
And yeah, it's a bit chilly in the wind,so you're always quite glad of them.
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But I was scoping one of thosefor exactly that sort of outdoor,
working on the bikes and stuff.
I don't like those chimney things.
'cause like you.
I don't wanna burn outdoor heater stuff.
I'm not trying to take the, you know, theplanet's burning down fast enough without
me getting behind it and giving it aho,you know, but a bit of wood burning is, is
like, you know, it's quite a nice thing.
Anyway.
You can get like reclaimed woodand shit from nearby and stuff.
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It doesn't need to be aprime mahogany or anything.
I'm not flying it in from SouthAmerica, so I'm, yeah, the, the,
the facility for me to fettle withadditional unrequired machinery
outside is, uh, enticing me into, intocruising bike trader for more things.
And of course, bikes have the advantagethat you can fit more things in.
Yeah, they really do have that event.
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Mm-hmm.
And there's a proper side gate, like asort of full on sort of farm gate style
five bar sort of thing on the side.
Wooden one that you, I can, you know,that you can get through to get down
to the side of the house by the garage.
So yeah, my brain is already fillingup the spare space with vehicles.
I don't yet own good news, mark.
Mm-hmm.
Well that note.
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Thank you for your time, mark.
Pleasure.
Thank you.
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