June 20, 2025 • 18 mins
On Ferrari Friday's, William Ross from the Exotic Car Marketplace will be discussing all things Ferrari and interviewing people that live and breathe the Ferrari brand. Topics range from road cars to racing; drivers to owners, as well as auctions, private sales and trends in the collector market.
In this episode William introduces a new video format for the podcast, and then dives into the intricacies of judging at prestigious car events, particularly Ferraris, highlighting the influence of judges' expertise, or lack thereof, on the value and recognition of collector cars. He also expresses concerns over the impact of inexperienced judges on passionate car owners and emphasizes the importance of fairness in the judging process. He also recommends attending live judging sessions and outlines future plans and ways the audience can support and expand the podcast.
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00:00 Introduction to the Show 02:30 Judging at Concours Events 04:57 The Importance of Accurate Judging 10:40 Challenges and Solutions in Judging 16:10 Wrapping Up and Final Thoughts
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(00:00):
As part of Ferrari Fridays, WilliamRoss from the Exotic Car Marketplace
will be discussing all things Ferrariand interviewing people that live
and breathe The Ferrari brand.
Topics range from road cars toracing drivers to owners, as well
as auctions, private sales andtrends in the collector market.
Never, never.
(00:28):
Hey everyone.
William Ross here atthe Ferrari Marketplace.
We are starting somethingnew for this episode.
We're actually doingvideo on this as well.
This is my third go around attemptingto record this episode due to the
fact is I'm just not a tech person.
Tried it several times, ittell 'em it doesn't record.
Sometimes it does, and I change afile name and then seems to erase
the sound, and then it's just.
(00:49):
Me and no sound and I look like badlip reading or something like that.
But anyways, I wanna welcome tothe Far Marketplace Podcast and
vlog, I guess you could say now.
'cause we're gonna post this up onthe, uh, YouTube channel as well.
And, uh, start spreadingthe word a little bit more.
And definitely check out Motoring PodcastNetwork and uh, check out all the other.
Podcasts that we have available on MPN.
(01:10):
There's a ton of awesome content on there.
I highly recommend you checkingit out and also check out past
episodes of the Ferrari marketplace.
I kinda go all over the place.
Yes, I talk about Ferrari in themarket today and that kind of
stuff, but I also just kind of getinto everything related Ferrari.
So for everything from Ferrari andPorsche, Lamborghini and Konig seg,
visit exotic car marketplace.com.
(01:31):
If you're into anything withwheels and a motor, log onto
the Motoring Podcast network.
And check out our family ofpodcasts@motoringpodcast.net.
This is the place to findyour favorite new show.
Next up a shout out to David Beatieand his team at Slot Mods who custom
build some of the coolest slot cartracks in the world@slotmods.com.
Let your imagination run wild andfinally, grand touring motorsports.
(01:56):
Covering all aspects of autoracing and motorsports history.
Check out their ine@gtmotorsports.org.
All the links for our sponsorsare in the description.
Check out our sponsors that werementioned here prior to this and uh,
really appreciate the support guy.
So onward and upward.
Got my diet Mountain Dew.
We are good to go.
(02:16):
Hopefully with my new mic I havehere, I got a new shore mic and
hopefully all the sounds better.
You've probably heard that too.
Open up my diet Mountain Dew.
'cause I am a fiend for it.
So you gotta have kind of one vice, right?
So it's Diet Mountain Dew for me.
So anyways, today's episode.
I had a different idea in mind forwhat I was gonna record for this week's
episode I was gonna get into aboutwarranties and stuff like that and what
(02:38):
she looked doing, even though I don'treally get in too much of the newer
stuff, but I was gonna kind of talk aboutthat and also maintenance and stuff.
But there was a post that someone Iknow stating the fact is that they
were going to be a judge this weekendat the Hillsborough Concord, which.
Quin say, enough, I'm headed there today.
So this post was put on thereand he was talking about, I was
being a judge of the Concord.
(02:58):
He was judging the Ferrari class.
There's a nice amount ofFerraris in this class.
'cause I'm actually goingthere myself to be a docent.
I don't think I'm judging,I don't like to be a judge.
'cause that's a lot of responsibilityput on your shoulders and we'll
get into that as to exactly why.
So this verse made the post and itkind of like struck a nerve with
me and now it against this person.
(03:19):
Just in how the judging works ingeneral at these CONCOR events.
Now, when you get into more prestigiousones, pebble Beach, Caino, stuff like
that, you know, they get very particularcredential wise and background wise, or
who they're gonna bring out as a judge.
Now these guys do, they'revolunteers straight up.
They don't get paid.
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They get in an event for free.
That's about it.
Maybe some free food free beverages.
That's about it.
So it's not like the wheels aregetting greased and saying, Hey,
vote for these cars or whatnot.
You know, that kind of gig.
Not to say that some money hasn't beentried to slip into a judge's hand at an
event, but, well, that's a whole differentargument, but it's a volunteer position.
That's basically what it boils down to.
You gotta pay your own way.
(04:01):
So if either you're drivinghour, two hours, or you're flying
across country, it's your dime.
So it just depends on howyou want, how you get there.
But anyways, when you get some of theseother events, I don't wanna say you're
scraping the bottom of the barrel.
That's not right because all thesepeople that are participating, you know,
have knowledge and background, but towhat extent is what I'm getting at, so.
This individual, they've only beenin this industry maybe four or five
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years, so their background knowledge,especially of Ferraris, is very
limited, and the only reason is workingfor one of the big auction houses.
That's how he jumped into this industry.
He started working for the auction house,whatever, but he hadn't been in the right
place, right time, and be involved inthe transaction of a very particular car.
All of a sudden got hima load of notoriety.
Good for him, Hey, got his bankaccount fluffed up, everything
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like that, which is fantastic.
Good for him.
Hey, kudos.
So again, this isn't about him.
This is not about his situ. Hadnothing to do with him, kudos
to him, everything like that.
Hey, he's taking the fast trackand having a great time and you
know, doing a lot of cool shit.
It just has to do with when youhave a car at a Concord event,
depending on the level of event.
You know, a lot of these owners take thattrophy placing what have you, you know,
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and that's value to that car because thenwhen you go to sell that car, you can
say, oh, my car wanted X, Y, Z or camefirst in class at X, Y, Z, or whatever.
It adds a lot of value to that car.
'cause you have a lot of people thatwhen they buy these cars, 'cause you
know they wanna do stuff with it.
And there's a very, very small amount ofpeople that they take these, they daily
dry 'em or dry 'em on a regular basis and.
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Drive 'em, like they should use 'emfor basic stuff and everything like
that, and have a lot of fun with them.
You know, we got a lot ofguys, hey, it's a weekend car.
They only take 'em to car shows.
They take 'em to events, youknow, take 'em to concourse.
Stuff like that.
You know, they pride theirselves onhaving a car that's award-winning or as
with Catalina Platinum Award winning.
'cause that adds a sh ton, a tonof value to the car, especially
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for Cavallo and Ferrari.
Porsche has the same thing in gettingthose type of awards and it boils down to.
Because a lot of these things,it has to come down to like
a point, point and a half.
Caino, was it 96 or higher?
95 and higher.
It's a hundred point scale, you know, soyou have a cheat sheet and so to speak
in regards to what you're looking for.
There's a lot of basic stuff,but there's a lot of stuff on
there If you really don't know.
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You could really ding a car, you know,looking at hex head bolts compared to
regular, you know, whatcha youma callbolts Phillips and blah blah blah.
That kind of stuff.
Or the hose clamp is wrong or wrong.
Oil filter, stuff like that.
I mean, 'cause if you don't know yourstuff, you could take a point off, half
a point off thinking, oh that's wrong.
But it could be, right?
I mean, that's the thing.
Do you know.
Now when they're judging atevents, it's not like there's
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one person go around to one car.
Usually you have a group.
I mean, that's how you should do it.
Now, I've seen events and beenevents where you have, they had one
judge going around or two judges.
That was it.
That again, that has to do with gettingvolunteers and people be able to come,
you know, it's, uh, all about that.
But normally you have four orfive, six judges in a group.
They go around collectivelyfrom car to car.
They have a specific amount of cars.
They'll know ahead of time, theseare the cars you're judging.
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So hopefully these people did theirhomework and brushed up on the
cars they're gonna be looking at,you know, and how in depth they
get into that, that's up to them.
Now, normally you also haveone judge in that panel.
That group, hey, they're theexpert, they'll know their stuff.
So you can lean on them in regards toquestions and everything like that.
And I highly recommend if you havetime and you're interested in it,
follow a group of judges around.
(07:15):
At the next big event you're at.
You don't have to follow'em the whole time, dude.
'cause it takes a few hours for 'em togo around 'cause they do multiple cars.
But watch 'em do a fewcars and see if they do.
It's pretty much the samein regards to every car.
'cause they have to check, Hey, checkthis, check the horn, check brake
lights, blah, blah, blah, da da da.
It's interesting to see howthey kind of tweak a little
bit from car to car, you know?
So it all kind of dependswhat they're getting at.
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And especially if a judgegoes, oh, I love this car.
This is one of my favorites.
You know, blah, blah,all that kind of stuff.
So.
I recommend it 'cause it's cool tojust kind of stand in the background,
watch them work and see what they do.
So now we have this group of judges.
Now you normally you have, okay, theowner of the car or whoever the handler
is, they're talking, normally they'lltalk to one of the judges predominantly
and kind of that's the judge askingall question, well, the other judges
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either talking to other people orthey're just kinda looking at stuff
on the car or everything like that.
You know, they might have twojudges where the guy's talking to,
but it's pretty much one person.
And I usually, that's the, I wannasay the go-to person in that group.
Or like I said, you know, you couldhave the owner and the, the Restore
or whatever the store's talking tothe judges while the owner's talking
to the other judges just shooting theshit, you know, that kind of stuff.
So it all depends, but you haveto turn in your score sheets
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and get rated on your car.
So at the end, they're tallyingup the points, they're tallying
everything up and kind of showingyou, okay, here's where you're at.
You can go back after thefact and ask for verification.
Say, Hey, you know,this doesn't seem right.
No, this is right.
But here's the problemis it's after the fact.
So it's not during the event itselfwhere, okay, well they're gonna all
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of a sudden reshuffle everything.
They won't, they'll rescore your card.
You might think, well, what's the point?
If there's a big difference betweenbeing a platinum and not a platinum
for like Ferrari and stuff like that.
I mean it's huge.
And like I said, when you're talking topoint half point, that goes a long way.
'cause when you check out listings andstuff for nicer, higher end collector
Ferraris, not your newer stuff, butyou know the older stuff and look at it
(09:05):
and you'll guarantee, if you say, oh,platinum award-winning, blah, blah, blah.
I mean, that's huge because it justshows that it was restored correctly.
It's almost as is iscoming outta the factory.
It's using NOS parts, allthat kinda stuff, you know?
I mean, that's cool.
It just adds a ton of valueto the car if you have that.
That's why you have a lot of these guysthat have the money that they started
sending over when Ferrari started doingtheir class East program, as they started
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sending them over to Italy, to Ferrariitself, to restore the cars because they
wanna get the award, they wanna get thePlatinum Award, they wanna win this event.
It's a huge ego thing fora lot of these people.
And on that note.
Judges can have a tendency to get anego on them because they feel that,
hey, they're holding all the power.
You know, it's kinda like when,um, go through T-S-A-T-S-A,
(09:51):
rightfully so, I guess.
I mean, they could make your fricking lifeand trip miserable if they really wanted
to, if they're just having a bad day.
I. You know, you're at the store andyou got some schlep, you got some clerk
that they feel like they got all thepower in the world right now over you.
'cause you everything'sin their hands, you know?
And it's like you gotta kowtowto them, everything like that.
So people have a tendency toget a bit of an ego on them.
(10:11):
But again, you know, not saying thatthey'd sabotage it, what have you,
but what I'm saying is they'll startnitpicking and start deducting.
Points for stuff that they'renot completely certain about.
Like I said, you know, I'm notsaying this happens all the time.
I'm not saying this is common.
I'm just making a point ofwhat potentially is there
in regards to doing it.
Because you know, it's notlike they're going back and
(10:32):
scrutinizing all this stuff.
Normally someone's bringing their carand they have a relatively strong idea
of where their car should score at.
I feel it's a huge disservice to theowners when you have judges coming in that
really have no business being a judge.
Now, if they stand on facts, oh, it'scelebrity judges, this and that, oh,
this is a, you know, they have someknowledge and again and again they
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should, they can study up beforehandand you go to like, you know, pebble
Beach, they have a lot of like extra.
You know, drivers and stuff like that.
Very well known people in the automotiveworld, being the group of judges
that, 'cause I mean, if you thinkabout like Pebble and stuff, they
gotta have a hundred, 200 judges.
I'm not exactly sure.
They have a lot.
So, and again, you volunteer everythinglike that, but it's a lot of fun.
It's very enjoyable to do.
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Again, it's somethingI don't choose to do.
I've been asked.
A lot.
And I just kinda, eh, you know, I,I kinda look at what the event is.
Well, what is my role within that group?
You know, what are you expecting from me?
One, I don't like to be the main person.
I just don't like tohave that responsibility.
'cause again, you know, you got someowners that can get pretty prickly about
what kind of score they receive anddemanding why and everything like that.
(11:36):
I mean, I've seen an instancehere or there where, you know, the
owners got extremely pissed off.
In regards to what their scorewas and why the hell is it this,
that I just spent this much moneygetting this done, da da da.
Then they go back onto therestore, what the hell's going on?
Like, no, that's right.
Like it can create a very, verysticky situation all around.
But anyways, so kind of going back towhat whole point of this was when you
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watch a judge agency, I said this all justbasically started with the fact is, you
know, it just kind of is a little bit ofa, I don't wanna say sore point with me.
I don't wanna say that.
I wanna say it's, you know, justsomething that kind of irks me a
bit and I think it's a disserviceto a lot of the owners now.
Like I, I don't know how you can fix it.
I mean, there's really new, 'causeagain, these guys volunteer, so it's
like the event itself is kind ofhamstrung in regards to, well, we
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gotta get who we can get because, youknow, we're not paying these people.
Then you might say, well, why don'tthey get judging just paying it?
Well, the money's not there for it.
All these events, a majority of themare about raising money for certain
nonprofits, charities, stuff like that.
They run his nonprofits.
So people aren't reallymaking money off these things.
You know, bill Warner's always made thecomment, people ask him all the time,
well, I'm thinking about starting thisconroy and this and that, and he tells
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'em, don't, don't, don't, don't do it.
Don't do it.
Don't, don't get, don't begetting in for make money on it.
You're not making money on it.
It's a lot of effort.
It's a lot of work andit costs a lot of money.
Stuff starts adding up.
So I mean, those ves run on volunteers.
You really can't go that route saying,well, you know, pay the judges then, you
know, because it just wouldn't happenbecause then all of a sudden you could get
into, well, they're getting paid so allof a sudden they're gonna have favoritism.
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That kind of stuff.
I don't know, like, I don't wanna sayit's a lose lose, but, and again, I
gotta reiterate, I'm not saying thishappens at every event and all, everybody
just say, it just struck a nerve.
When I saw that post, itmade me just kinda like, ugh.
It just brought something up tothe surface that it, it bothers
me for the owners of these cars.
It's one thing when you have theguy that's got hundreds of millions
of dollars in his bank account.
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Spending three, four, $5 millionon a car, even, you know,
a million dollars on a car.
Then spend another couple hundredthousand dollars, if not a million
dollars on the restoration.
All this kind of stuff.
And they get angry, but they'relike, oh, okay, well next year
we gotta fix this stuff and that.
Then we'll get those lastcouple points, yada yada.
It's the gentleman that.
He's saved up.
That's his only car, youknow, that's his baby.
He's had it for 30 years or20 years, whatever it is.
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Or he got it.
He restored it himselfand everything like that.
Super passionate.
I love these people.
I'm actually ado these people'cause they're true backbone
of the collector industry.
Not saying these huge collectors don'tcare about their cars, but I'm saying
the people that have one, maybe twocars, they're the passionate ones that,
you know, I just wanna be sure they'renot getting a disservice done to them in
regards to their car and at these events.
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Again, it's just something Iwanted to get off my chest.
I guess basically you could saythat's what this whole episode was.
It's just about me venting aboutthe situations and like I said, I,
there's really no way to fix it.
There's no way to correct it.
And again, it's not like it's,you know, all over the place.
It's, it isn't notsaying any of this stuff.
Could potentially happen.
You know, just someone beingrude and ego and I'm deducting
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points, I don't like this asshole.
You know, that kind of stuff.
Well, and you'd hope it wouldn't be,these people put a lot of time, effort,
and money into these cars, you know, andthey take pride in that when they go to
these events or to getting judged andthey bring it to these events 'cause they
gotta pay to put their car in this event,depending on what event it is, you know.
Get pretty expensive to have yourcar in the show to get judged
and something happens that goeswrong, then they get pissed off.
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They'll never bring their car backto that show again or what have you.
And as we know, I mean, we all love theweekends where there's events all over
the place, big, small, what have you,various types of cars, from exotics
to muscle cars, everything like that.
You know, these shows are fantastic.
You don't wanna see people get a badtaste in their mouth 'cause you wanna
see these cars out in the public, outin the wild, especially getting driven
and you know, everything like that.
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So, which is always great.
What's cool is that get these moreprestigious ones you like Pebbles,
you know, they have that drive theydo where you get extra points if you
participate in that drive day before,two days before the Concor stuff.
Like that's cool to see when yousee these cars actually in motion
getting driven, everything like that.
That's what I love about theSione Museum in Philadelphia.
If you have never been there, I highlyrecommend you visit the Sione Museum.
(15:32):
'cause they do events, I dunno often.
I don't know if it's every weekendor what have you, but they take their
cars out into their parking lot.
They drive 'em around.
I mean, it's not a very big parkinglot, but you hear 'em driving, you
hear 'em running, you know, theytreat 'em as a cars as they should be.
So, which is awesome.
And kind of as a back note.
They just had a fantastic event there fora viewing party for the Lamont 24 hours.
It just happened last weekend.
Helped put on by the A CO America.
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I highly recommend next yearyou're going check out the A CO
America website, join up, sign up.
You get a lot of perks and benefits,especially if you go over to lamont
itself or the Lamont Classic,but they do a lot of cool stuff
over the United States as well.
So check it out.
Definitely recommendgoing there next year.
I will be there myself,so please come there.
So anyways, I'm gonnawrap this up because.
I had to start packing formy trip to San Francisco.
(16:14):
My flight's not till five 40 inthe afternoon, so I have all day
like, God, it's a direct flight.
I gotta get that situated,get that all taken care of.
But again, appreciate you guys listening.
Tell me what you think.
If you appreciate, hey,doing the vlog as well.
We've discussed that, hey, it'sall depends on the listener.
Some people just like audio, some peoplelike video and some boats, what have you.
So.
It all depends and I don't know if you'relike looking at my ugly mug, but anyways.
(16:36):
And what do you think ofthe Ferrari TFM uh, swag.
We got some cool swag goingon, especially for MPN.
We got some cool swag forFerri Marketplace Garage 65.
We got a lot of cool swag going on.
You gotta check this stuff out.
We're thinking about bringing someof that stuff to market, see if
there's some interest there, butyou know, help support the cause.
Again, I appreciate you guys listening.
Remember, uh, on the, for the vlog, on theYouTube, you hit that like, and subscribe.
Spread the word.
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Let's get this thing out there.
We can blow it up.
We can do a lot morecool things with this.
Get some people and interview 'em,stuff like that, and do what we can.
So maybe do some onsite stuff,who knows where it can go.
Our appreciate guys listening.
Hit that like and subscribebutton and until next time, peace.
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As part of Ferrari Fridays, WilliamRoss from the Exotic Car Marketplace
will be discussing all things Ferrariand interviewing people that live
and breathe The Ferrari brand.
Topics range from road cars toracing drivers to owners, as well
as auctions, private sales andtrends in the collector market.
Never, never.
(00:28):
Hey everyone.
William Ross here atthe Ferrari Marketplace.
We are starting somethingnew for this episode.
We're actually doingvideo on this as well.
This is my third go around attemptingto record this episode due to the
fact is I'm just not a tech person.
Tried it several times, ittell 'em it doesn't record.
Sometimes it does, and I change afile name and then seems to erase
the sound, and then it's just.
(00:49):
Me and no sound and I look like badlip reading or something like that.
But anyways, I wanna welcome tothe Far Marketplace Podcast and
vlog, I guess you could say now.
'cause we're gonna post this up onthe, uh, YouTube channel as well.
And, uh, start spreadingthe word a little bit more.
And definitely check out Motoring PodcastNetwork and uh, check out all the other.
Podcasts that we have available on MPN.
(01:10):
There's a ton of awesome content on there.
I highly recommend you checkingit out and also check out past
episodes of the Ferrari marketplace.
I kinda go all over the place.
Yes, I talk about Ferrari in themarket today and that kind of
stuff, but I also just kind of getinto everything related Ferrari.
So for everything from Ferrari andPorsche, Lamborghini and Konig seg,
visit exotic car marketplace.com.
(01:31):
If you're into anything withwheels and a motor, log onto
the Motoring Podcast network.
And check out our family ofpodcasts@motoringpodcast.net.
This is the place to findyour favorite new show.
Next up a shout out to David Beatieand his team at Slot Mods who custom
build some of the coolest slot cartracks in the world@slotmods.com.
Let your imagination run wild andfinally, grand touring motorsports.
(01:56):
Covering all aspects of autoracing and motorsports history.
Check out their ine@gtmotorsports.org.
All the links for our sponsorsare in the description.
Check out our sponsors that werementioned here prior to this and uh,
really appreciate the support guy.
So onward and upward.
Got my diet Mountain Dew.
We are good to go.
(02:16):
Hopefully with my new mic I havehere, I got a new shore mic and
hopefully all the sounds better.
You've probably heard that too.
Open up my diet Mountain Dew.
'cause I am a fiend for it.
So you gotta have kind of one vice, right?
So it's Diet Mountain Dew for me.
So anyways, today's episode.
I had a different idea in mind forwhat I was gonna record for this week's
episode I was gonna get into aboutwarranties and stuff like that and what
(02:38):
she looked doing, even though I don'treally get in too much of the newer
stuff, but I was gonna kind of talk aboutthat and also maintenance and stuff.
But there was a post that someone Iknow stating the fact is that they
were going to be a judge this weekendat the Hillsborough Concord, which.
Quin say, enough, I'm headed there today.
So this post was put on thereand he was talking about, I was
being a judge of the Concord.
(02:58):
He was judging the Ferrari class.
There's a nice amount ofFerraris in this class.
'cause I'm actually goingthere myself to be a docent.
I don't think I'm judging,I don't like to be a judge.
'cause that's a lot of responsibilityput on your shoulders and we'll
get into that as to exactly why.
So this verse made the post and itkind of like struck a nerve with
me and now it against this person.
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Just in how the judging works ingeneral at these CONCOR events.
Now, when you get into more prestigiousones, pebble Beach, Caino, stuff like
that, you know, they get very particularcredential wise and background wise, or
who they're gonna bring out as a judge.
Now these guys do, they'revolunteers straight up.
They don't get paid.
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They get in an event for free.
That's about it.
Maybe some free food free beverages.
That's about it.
So it's not like the wheels aregetting greased and saying, Hey,
vote for these cars or whatnot.
You know, that kind of gig.
Not to say that some money hasn't beentried to slip into a judge's hand at an
event, but, well, that's a whole differentargument, but it's a volunteer position.
That's basically what it boils down to.
You gotta pay your own way.
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So if either you're drivinghour, two hours, or you're flying
across country, it's your dime.
So it just depends on howyou want, how you get there.
But anyways, when you get some of theseother events, I don't wanna say you're
scraping the bottom of the barrel.
That's not right because all thesepeople that are participating, you know,
have knowledge and background, but towhat extent is what I'm getting at, so.
This individual, they've only beenin this industry maybe four or five
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years, so their background knowledge,especially of Ferraris, is very
limited, and the only reason is workingfor one of the big auction houses.
That's how he jumped into this industry.
He started working for the auction house,whatever, but he hadn't been in the right
place, right time, and be involved inthe transaction of a very particular car.
All of a sudden got hima load of notoriety.
Good for him, Hey, got his bankaccount fluffed up, everything
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like that, which is fantastic.
Good for him.
Hey, kudos.
So again, this isn't about him.
This is not about his situ. Hadnothing to do with him, kudos
to him, everything like that.
Hey, he's taking the fast trackand having a great time and you
know, doing a lot of cool shit.
It just has to do with when youhave a car at a Concord event,
depending on the level of event.
You know, a lot of these owners take thattrophy placing what have you, you know,
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and that's value to that car because thenwhen you go to sell that car, you can
say, oh, my car wanted X, Y, Z or camefirst in class at X, Y, Z, or whatever.
It adds a lot of value to that car.
'cause you have a lot of people thatwhen they buy these cars, 'cause you
know they wanna do stuff with it.
And there's a very, very small amount ofpeople that they take these, they daily
dry 'em or dry 'em on a regular basis and.
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Drive 'em, like they should use 'emfor basic stuff and everything like
that, and have a lot of fun with them.
You know, we got a lot ofguys, hey, it's a weekend car.
They only take 'em to car shows.
They take 'em to events, youknow, take 'em to concourse.
Stuff like that.
You know, they pride theirselves onhaving a car that's award-winning or as
with Catalina Platinum Award winning.
'cause that adds a sh ton, a tonof value to the car, especially
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for Cavallo and Ferrari.
Porsche has the same thing in gettingthose type of awards and it boils down to.
Because a lot of these things,it has to come down to like
a point, point and a half.
Caino, was it 96 or higher?
95 and higher.
It's a hundred point scale, you know, soyou have a cheat sheet and so to speak
in regards to what you're looking for.
There's a lot of basic stuff,but there's a lot of stuff on
there If you really don't know.
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You could really ding a car, you know,looking at hex head bolts compared to
regular, you know, whatcha youma callbolts Phillips and blah blah blah.
That kind of stuff.
Or the hose clamp is wrong or wrong.
Oil filter, stuff like that.
I mean, 'cause if you don't know yourstuff, you could take a point off, half
a point off thinking, oh that's wrong.
But it could be, right?
I mean, that's the thing.
Do you know.
Now when they're judging atevents, it's not like there's
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one person go around to one car.
Usually you have a group.
I mean, that's how you should do it.
Now, I've seen events and beenevents where you have, they had one
judge going around or two judges.
That was it.
That again, that has to do with gettingvolunteers and people be able to come,
you know, it's, uh, all about that.
But normally you have four orfive, six judges in a group.
They go around collectivelyfrom car to car.
They have a specific amount of cars.
They'll know ahead of time, theseare the cars you're judging.
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So hopefully these people did theirhomework and brushed up on the
cars they're gonna be looking at,you know, and how in depth they
get into that, that's up to them.
Now, normally you also haveone judge in that panel.
That group, hey, they're theexpert, they'll know their stuff.
So you can lean on them in regards toquestions and everything like that.
And I highly recommend if you havetime and you're interested in it,
follow a group of judges around.
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At the next big event you're at.
You don't have to follow'em the whole time, dude.
'cause it takes a few hours for 'em togo around 'cause they do multiple cars.
But watch 'em do a fewcars and see if they do.
It's pretty much the samein regards to every car.
'cause they have to check, Hey, checkthis, check the horn, check brake
lights, blah, blah, blah, da da da.
It's interesting to see howthey kind of tweak a little
bit from car to car, you know?
So it all kind of dependswhat they're getting at.
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And especially if a judgegoes, oh, I love this car.
This is one of my favorites.
You know, blah, blah,all that kind of stuff.
So.
I recommend it 'cause it's cool tojust kind of stand in the background,
watch them work and see what they do.
So now we have this group of judges.
Now you normally you have, okay, theowner of the car or whoever the handler
is, they're talking, normally they'lltalk to one of the judges predominantly
and kind of that's the judge askingall question, well, the other judges
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either talking to other people orthey're just kinda looking at stuff
on the car or everything like that.
You know, they might have twojudges where the guy's talking to,
but it's pretty much one person.
And I usually, that's the, I wannasay the go-to person in that group.
Or like I said, you know, you couldhave the owner and the, the Restore
or whatever the store's talking tothe judges while the owner's talking
to the other judges just shooting theshit, you know, that kind of stuff.
So it all depends, but you haveto turn in your score sheets
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and get rated on your car.
So at the end, they're tallyingup the points, they're tallying
everything up and kind of showingyou, okay, here's where you're at.
You can go back after thefact and ask for verification.
Say, Hey, you know,this doesn't seem right.
No, this is right.
But here's the problemis it's after the fact.
So it's not during the event itselfwhere, okay, well they're gonna all
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of a sudden reshuffle everything.
They won't, they'll rescore your card.
You might think, well, what's the point?
If there's a big difference betweenbeing a platinum and not a platinum
for like Ferrari and stuff like that.
I mean it's huge.
And like I said, when you're talking topoint half point, that goes a long way.
'cause when you check out listings andstuff for nicer, higher end collector
Ferraris, not your newer stuff, butyou know the older stuff and look at it
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and you'll guarantee, if you say, oh,platinum award-winning, blah, blah, blah.
I mean, that's huge because it justshows that it was restored correctly.
It's almost as is iscoming outta the factory.
It's using NOS parts, allthat kinda stuff, you know?
I mean, that's cool.
It just adds a ton of valueto the car if you have that.
That's why you have a lot of these guysthat have the money that they started
sending over when Ferrari started doingtheir class East program, as they started
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sending them over to Italy, to Ferrariitself, to restore the cars because they
wanna get the award, they wanna get thePlatinum Award, they wanna win this event.
It's a huge ego thing fora lot of these people.
And on that note.
Judges can have a tendency to get anego on them because they feel that,
hey, they're holding all the power.
You know, it's kinda like when,um, go through T-S-A-T-S-A,
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rightfully so, I guess.
I mean, they could make your fricking lifeand trip miserable if they really wanted
to, if they're just having a bad day.
I. You know, you're at the store andyou got some schlep, you got some clerk
that they feel like they got all thepower in the world right now over you.
'cause you everything'sin their hands, you know?
And it's like you gotta kowtowto them, everything like that.
So people have a tendency toget a bit of an ego on them.
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But again, you know, not saying thatthey'd sabotage it, what have you,
but what I'm saying is they'll startnitpicking and start deducting.
Points for stuff that they'renot completely certain about.
Like I said, you know, I'm notsaying this happens all the time.
I'm not saying this is common.
I'm just making a point ofwhat potentially is there
in regards to doing it.
Because you know, it's notlike they're going back and
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scrutinizing all this stuff.
Normally someone's bringing their carand they have a relatively strong idea
of where their car should score at.
I feel it's a huge disservice to theowners when you have judges coming in that
really have no business being a judge.
Now, if they stand on facts, oh, it'scelebrity judges, this and that, oh,
this is a, you know, they have someknowledge and again and again they
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should, they can study up beforehandand you go to like, you know, pebble
Beach, they have a lot of like extra.
You know, drivers and stuff like that.
Very well known people in the automotiveworld, being the group of judges
that, 'cause I mean, if you thinkabout like Pebble and stuff, they
gotta have a hundred, 200 judges.
I'm not exactly sure.
They have a lot.
So, and again, you volunteer everythinglike that, but it's a lot of fun.
It's very enjoyable to do.
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Again, it's somethingI don't choose to do.
I've been asked.
A lot.
And I just kinda, eh, you know, I,I kinda look at what the event is.
Well, what is my role within that group?
You know, what are you expecting from me?
One, I don't like to be the main person.
I just don't like tohave that responsibility.
'cause again, you know, you got someowners that can get pretty prickly about
what kind of score they receive anddemanding why and everything like that.
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I mean, I've seen an instancehere or there where, you know, the
owners got extremely pissed off.
In regards to what their scorewas and why the hell is it this,
that I just spent this much moneygetting this done, da da da.
Then they go back onto therestore, what the hell's going on?
Like, no, that's right.
Like it can create a very, verysticky situation all around.
But anyways, so kind of going back towhat whole point of this was when you
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watch a judge agency, I said this all justbasically started with the fact is, you
know, it just kind of is a little bit ofa, I don't wanna say sore point with me.
I don't wanna say that.
I wanna say it's, you know, justsomething that kind of irks me a
bit and I think it's a disserviceto a lot of the owners now.
Like I, I don't know how you can fix it.
I mean, there's really new, 'causeagain, these guys volunteer, so it's
like the event itself is kind ofhamstrung in regards to, well, we
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gotta get who we can get because, youknow, we're not paying these people.
Then you might say, well, why don'tthey get judging just paying it?
Well, the money's not there for it.
All these events, a majority of themare about raising money for certain
nonprofits, charities, stuff like that.
They run his nonprofits.
So people aren't reallymaking money off these things.
You know, bill Warner's always made thecomment, people ask him all the time,
well, I'm thinking about starting thisconroy and this and that, and he tells
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'em, don't, don't, don't, don't do it.
Don't do it.
Don't, don't get, don't begetting in for make money on it.
You're not making money on it.
It's a lot of effort.
It's a lot of work andit costs a lot of money.
Stuff starts adding up.
So I mean, those ves run on volunteers.
You really can't go that route saying,well, you know, pay the judges then, you
know, because it just wouldn't happenbecause then all of a sudden you could get
into, well, they're getting paid so allof a sudden they're gonna have favoritism.
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That kind of stuff.
I don't know, like, I don't wanna sayit's a lose lose, but, and again, I
gotta reiterate, I'm not saying thishappens at every event and all, everybody
just say, it just struck a nerve.
When I saw that post, itmade me just kinda like, ugh.
It just brought something up tothe surface that it, it bothers
me for the owners of these cars.
It's one thing when you have theguy that's got hundreds of millions
of dollars in his bank account.
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Spending three, four, $5 millionon a car, even, you know,
a million dollars on a car.
Then spend another couple hundredthousand dollars, if not a million
dollars on the restoration.
All this kind of stuff.
And they get angry, but they'relike, oh, okay, well next year
we gotta fix this stuff and that.
Then we'll get those lastcouple points, yada yada.
It's the gentleman that.
He's saved up.
That's his only car, youknow, that's his baby.
He's had it for 30 years or20 years, whatever it is.
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Or he got it.
He restored it himselfand everything like that.
Super passionate.
I love these people.
I'm actually ado these people'cause they're true backbone
of the collector industry.
Not saying these huge collectors don'tcare about their cars, but I'm saying
the people that have one, maybe twocars, they're the passionate ones that,
you know, I just wanna be sure they'renot getting a disservice done to them in
regards to their car and at these events.
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Again, it's just something Iwanted to get off my chest.
I guess basically you could saythat's what this whole episode was.
It's just about me venting aboutthe situations and like I said, I,
there's really no way to fix it.
There's no way to correct it.
And again, it's not like it's,you know, all over the place.
It's, it isn't notsaying any of this stuff.
Could potentially happen.
You know, just someone beingrude and ego and I'm deducting
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points, I don't like this asshole.
You know, that kind of stuff.
Well, and you'd hope it wouldn't be,these people put a lot of time, effort,
and money into these cars, you know, andthey take pride in that when they go to
these events or to getting judged andthey bring it to these events 'cause they
gotta pay to put their car in this event,depending on what event it is, you know.
Get pretty expensive to have yourcar in the show to get judged
and something happens that goeswrong, then they get pissed off.
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They'll never bring their car backto that show again or what have you.
And as we know, I mean, we all love theweekends where there's events all over
the place, big, small, what have you,various types of cars, from exotics
to muscle cars, everything like that.
You know, these shows are fantastic.
You don't wanna see people get a badtaste in their mouth 'cause you wanna
see these cars out in the public, outin the wild, especially getting driven
and you know, everything like that.
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So, which is always great.
What's cool is that get these moreprestigious ones you like Pebbles,
you know, they have that drive theydo where you get extra points if you
participate in that drive day before,two days before the Concor stuff.
Like that's cool to see when yousee these cars actually in motion
getting driven, everything like that.
That's what I love about theSione Museum in Philadelphia.
If you have never been there, I highlyrecommend you visit the Sione Museum.
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'cause they do events, I dunno often.
I don't know if it's every weekendor what have you, but they take their
cars out into their parking lot.
They drive 'em around.
I mean, it's not a very big parkinglot, but you hear 'em driving, you
hear 'em running, you know, theytreat 'em as a cars as they should be.
So, which is awesome.
And kind of as a back note.
They just had a fantastic event there fora viewing party for the Lamont 24 hours.
It just happened last weekend.
Helped put on by the A CO America.
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I highly recommend next yearyou're going check out the A CO
America website, join up, sign up.
You get a lot of perks and benefits,especially if you go over to lamont
itself or the Lamont Classic,but they do a lot of cool stuff
over the United States as well.
So check it out.
Definitely recommendgoing there next year.
I will be there myself,so please come there.
So anyways, I'm gonnawrap this up because.
I had to start packing formy trip to San Francisco.
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My flight's not till five 40 inthe afternoon, so I have all day
like, God, it's a direct flight.
I gotta get that situated,get that all taken care of.
But again, appreciate you guys listening.
Tell me what you think.
If you appreciate, hey,doing the vlog as well.
We've discussed that, hey, it'sall depends on the listener.
Some people just like audio, some peoplelike video and some boats, what have you.
So.
It all depends and I don't know if you'relike looking at my ugly mug, but anyways.
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We got some cool swag goingon, especially for MPN.
We got some cool swag forFerri Marketplace Garage 65.
We got a lot of cool swag going on.
You gotta check this stuff out.
We're thinking about bringing someof that stuff to market, see if
there's some interest there, butyou know, help support the cause.
Again, I appreciate you guys listening.
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Spread the word.
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We can blow it up.
We can do a lot morecool things with this.
Get some people and interview 'em,stuff like that, and do what we can.
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