July 11, 2022 • 43 mins
What does it look like when you show up in full authenticity in your life and business? Unlike many of my guests, Gisele actually LOVED her corporate job and thought she'd be there forever. When someone from her team was going to have to get cut, Gisele volunteered herself so she could finally process the personal tragedy she'd experienced.
Gisele Gambi is a business and life coach as well as a fellow podcaster who's been helping people connect with their intuition and authenticity to create profitable businesses and lives.
In this episode, you'll learn about:
1. How authenticity plays a role in your health and finances
2. How to move through the darkest days to something that feels better
3. The power of the ripple effect
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Gisele Gambi (00:00):
Anyway, that was that was my body's saying to me
you are in the most incongruentplace right now. And luckily I
saw that right. And I listenedto it. And I said to the guys, a
few weeks down the track I haveto leave, which caused more
chaos. But it was the perfectdecision. And I then went
through a couple of months ofbeing really angry, and dark as
(00:21):
well, I went through a hopelessand helpless moment, but this
time I got really angry. And Ilearned that anger held in the
idea that there's a biggerpicture unfolding is actually
really powerful. It's a higheremotion than despair, right? I
mean, anger, right? Right,because I got to own up to I was
so being powerless. So beingpowerless, and so listening to
(00:44):
everybody else. And so I took mypower back.
Jamie Stephens (00:50):
Thanks for tuning in to another episode of
Breaking up with corporate eachweek I chat with everyday women
that ditch their nine to five tobet on themselves. We break down
their journey intoentrepreneurship, unpack the
lessons learned and create thevision of how this life gets to
be if you're willing to getuncomfortable and step into your
potential. I'm your host, JamieRene, to time corporate escapee
(01:13):
and coach to burnout womenlooking to plan their escape.
Let's go.
Hello, and welcome back toanother episode of Breaking up
with corporate today I haveGiselle can be on with me. And
Giselle is a business and lifecoach as well as a fellow
(01:34):
podcaster Welcome to the show,Giselle.
Gisele Gambi (01:37):
Thanks so much, Jamie. Thanks for inviting me to
come onto your podcast.
Jamie Stephens (01:41):
Yeah, for sure.
Okay, so let's just jump rightinto it. I know that you have
actually been out of corporatefor many, many years. But why
don't you go ahead and tell usabout what you were doing before
you kind of left the corporateenvironment and the quick
version of how you got here nowand then we'll just kind of dig
into it.
Gisele Gambi (02:02):
And do the quick version? Oh, yeah. Let's say, so
I have been out of corporatesince 2002, actually. So what's
that? That's 20 years. Oh, myGod. So it's interesting,
because your podcast is calledbreaking up with corporate and I
never meant to break up withcorporate. Yeah. So I'll start
(02:24):
with that. So I was in humanresources. I was working in five
star hotels in Starwood Hotels,they don't exist anymore. So
Sheraton, and four points and Whotels back then. And it's
really happy to be honest withyou. I was my last position was
I was HR director for threehotels. And I remember actually,
(02:44):
when I would welcome new staff,I would say, I think I'm going
to be doing this forever. Sobreaking up with corporate was
never in the plan. So the shortversion, and as you said, we can
go deeper later, is that I had amassive personal crisis that
catalyzed the breakup withcorporate and that is that I had
a really bad marriage. And thenI was pregnant, and then my baby
(03:07):
died when he was 11 days old,that completely shook me up. And
then that marriage broke up. AndI decided to go in do a
counseling course, whilst I wasstill working in corporate. And
then in 2002, my best malefriend said to me, you've got to
do this course this, you know,personal development course,
you've got to do it. And I'm aTorian. And I hate to be told
(03:29):
what to do. It took me a whileto actually actually ended up
being in his house, and he hadthe teacher there. And so I
thought, Okay, I'll go andlisten to him. And anyway, I
signed up that night. And so itwas through doing that course
and really remembering that I'vealways been intuitive, but I'd
never really owned it. And itwas through an intuitive process
(03:52):
that the message to leave my jobarrived. And do you want me to
just go there now? Or how do youwant to do
Jamie Stephens (04:02):
it? Yeah, let's just do it. I knew some of your
I knew your backstory. I don'tknow why I said the quick
version, because obviously,there's no quick way to, to
really tell this story. So yeah,let's just get into it.
Gisele Gambi (04:13):
Okay, thank you.
Thank you. So I was doing apiece of writing, which is
basically a piece of writing yougo into meditation to start
with, so you log off therational mind. And some people
call it stream of consciousnesswriting. So you basically just
start writing any write rubbish,right? I don't know what I'm
going to write about. I don'teven know what why I'm doing
this, blah, blah, blah. And thenyou start getting into the
(04:34):
groove. And, you know, thismight feel a little bit out
there for some people, but Ifelt like my son Joshua, was
coming through and speaking tome, which should really never
happened before. And so Istarted writing and, you know,
after a while, and he said tome, there was a peace in that
that he said to me, you're hereto ignite people's spirits and
hearts. That's what you did forme and 11 days was all I needed.
(04:57):
And now I Do the same to you.
And I was like, I wasblubbering, like, completely
overwhelmed emotionally. And itcontinued on Ed even spoke
about, you know, meeting, myfuture husband would find me,
which is exactly how ithappened. I completed that
(05:17):
writing, I had no idea what thatmeant. Absolutely zero idea what
igniting people's hearts andspirits meant. But I felt this,
I felt compelled that I had toleave my HR job, because I felt
that if I went back into it intonormal life in inverted commas,
that piece would just getswallowed up and be forgotten.
Jamie Stephens (05:39):
How long was it that you did that writing
between whenever he had passed,and that point, it was
Gisele Gambi (05:46):
three, three years since he had passed that I did
that piece of writing. And thenI think it was about a year on
that I broke up with my job. SoI held I held this, these words,
and I had the intention ofleaving. I didn't really tell
anybody about that. But I waswith it. I was not ignoring it.
(06:08):
And then synchronicity happened.
And my boss came to me one dayand said to me, we need to make
somebody redundant in your team.
And so I said, Pick Me. So madeit very easy for them, which was
great. And so that's whathappened. But I mean, I felt so
stupid, really, because Iremember going to lunch on my
last day with the generalmanager, you know, which was
(06:30):
very nice of him to take me tolunch. And he was asking me,
What are you going to do, and Icould not describe it, because I
didn't know. I really feltstupid. And my parents, my
brothers, you know, they've gonedown the traditional path, you
know, in the banking world, andvery high up in the banking
world. And my parents, in myperception revealed that. And so
(06:53):
when I told them, I was breakingup with this job, and my next
job was, I was being groomed fora regional role. So in my
parents eyes, you know, that wasamazing. And here I am saying,
You're here to ignite people'sspirits and hearts. The hell
does that mean?
Jamie Stephens (07:09):
Not really stupid, right? asked your mind
lost.
Gisele Gambi (07:13):
Exactly. Have you lost your mind that's exact,
especially with the crisis thatit just happened. I think people
really worried for me. Anyway, Itrusted it. And what I did was I
meditated every day. What doesit mean? What does it mean? What
does it mean? And then I thinkit was six months down the
track, that I saw what thatmeant. And what that meant was
when I did that personaldevelopment program, it was one
(07:36):
of those I know, it soundscorny, but it did change my
life. Because it taught me thatI create my reality. And up
until that time, I'd been avictim to my reality.
Jamie Stephens (07:49):
Well, yeah, I mean, it's it to go down that
path for sure. I mean, yeah,story, right. Imagine the, the
path. I mean, I don't even wantto, you know, I mean, it's, I
mean, that's just somethingthat, you know, no parent ever
wants to think about orconsider. And no, I mean, I
don't have words for that. Sojust keep going.
Gisele Gambi (08:10):
Okay, okay. Thank you. So, yes, I learned that I
create my reality, I learnedthat it's who I am being behind
what I'm doing, that is actuallycreating my reality. And I never
had seen up until that pointthat I had all these had this,
you know, pretty ensconcedbelief that I'm unworthy, and
(08:32):
I'm unlovable. And so of course,I choose a man who's going to
prove that right. So you know,he was really unfaithful, and he
was physically and emotionallyabusive. And so that that was
the perfect scenario, if youlike, for me believing that I'm
unworthy and that I'm unlovable.
So when I learned that, to stepoutside of victim mode, and take
responsibility, 100% personalresponsibility for the reality
(08:55):
that I had lived, I was free.
And so I'm then made aconnection to corporate, and
especially to HR. Because inthose days, a lot of what I was
dealing with was I was dealingwith people in conflict, and no
responsibility. And I thought,wow, wouldn't it be amazing if I
(09:17):
brought this to Corporation?
This notion of taking right I'vetaken 100% personal
responsibility,
Jamie Stephens (09:23):
what that would be for corporate America. What?
What
Gisele Gambi (09:27):
a game changer. So that's where it started. So I,
when I saw that, I wrote aprogram that lasted for six
months. And in my very in itreally, I was quite innocent,
very innocent. Which is abeautiful thing, actually. When
we break up with corporatebecause we need a sense of
(09:48):
innocence in a way that doesn'tmean naivety. It just means, you
know like bright eyed and bushytailed and that enthusiasm
really created my first gig So Ihad created this PowerPoint
presentation that I wrotelearned totally inauthentic.
Totally not trusting myself,right. I remember sitting in
(10:09):
front of my mom and you know,having my first laptop and rote
learning this PowerPointpresentation in front of her.
And I called up several of myfriends who I knew had small
businesses. And then one, whichwas a financial services
company, he said, come in andtell us about the program. And I
shared it in my wrote lert way.
And they said, I said, Okay,let's do it. Yes, my first gig
(10:31):
was, I think there was 15,financial services advisors that
I took away for four daysoriginally went away to this to
wine country in Australia to theHunter Valley. And I remember
doing a pilot program beforethat, because I wanted to test
this out. And it was mainlywomen on that program. And they
(10:51):
said to me at the end, we love Imean, they loved it, right? I
mean, they had massive personaltransformation, but they said,
we're really concerned for you,because the financial services
industry is full of men. And menaren't going to open up. And you
know what? That was so wrong. Itwas not true. I remember being
just in the introduction, wewere sitting around in a circle.
(11:12):
And we got to the, to the thirdperson, and he just started
sharing, like, who he is and whyhe's there. And he started
crying. Whoa. Yeah.
Jamie Stephens (11:23):
I mean, that's like, I mean, especially when
we're talking like 20 ish yearsago, or something.
Gisele Gambi (11:28):
I know, it's a different world now. Yeah, it's
a different world to what it wasthen. But it was amazing,
because that just showed me thatI was in the right place. Yeah,
and ended up working with himfor a couple of years, actually.
So that's how it first started.
And then it actually morphed,because the people on that
program, because they had such amassive transformation, they
said to me, could I please puton a program for their life
(11:50):
partners, you know, husbands andwives. And so we did that. And
the actual the bowl ended uprolling more easily down that
personal road road, then goinginto corporate and bringing this
to corporate,
Jamie Stephens (12:05):
you know, but still, I mean, if you're working
with all of those types ofpeople, eventually, the goal is
to like, have it seep into intocorporate America, right is the
Yes, or thing personally.
Gisele Gambi (12:19):
And, you know, in the long run, what because this
is this is, I guess, significantfor your podcast, what ended up
happening as a result of that, afew years down the track is that
they broke up, many members ofthat team broke up with their
jobs, even the head. And he wentand did what he loved. Or two
(12:40):
heads, actually, they went anddid what they loved. And some
rose, you know, really rose, andand absolutely were, and still
are, where they meant to be, andother people went and followed
their passion. So it's not muchof a sell point is it? Let me
come and run this program foryou. But more than likely, a lot
(13:02):
of you kind of break up.
Jamie Stephens (13:04):
You'll learn how powerful you really are. And
you'll realize you don't needthis job.
Gisele Gambi (13:09):
Yes, exactly. And I have to say that the two heads
of their company were sogracious, and so trusting
because in the bigger picture,because they were willing to let
go. I mean, that's a massivething. A massive thing. Well,
Jamie Stephens (13:22):
I mean, that's like, that's the sign of a true
leader, right? I mean, forsomeone, it's a shame that they
went and left corporate, becausethose are the kinds of people
that we that we need. But youknow, it's those people that
realize there's that personalresponsibility and that personal
growth and that everybody's ontheir own path. And, you know, I
(13:43):
want someone cheering me onwhenever you go and find that
thing that you love. So yes, Ilove that they were so involved.
Gisele Gambi (13:50):
Well, one of them went and followed. Absolutely.
He's passionate. He went intoart. And he makes incredible
exhibitions here in Sydney. Andhe's really well known now. But
the other one actually becameconsultants. So he is bringing
the love, if you like tocorporate, like, yeah,
Jamie Stephens (14:06):
so at what point did the other part of that, I
don't know if you call it avision, or like what the call to
if it's audible, as far asmeeting your husband, your
husband coming to you? And thatwhole journey? How long? Tell us
about that story?
Gisele Gambi (14:22):
Oh, this is this isn't this is a crazy story. So
this is now 2000. And I so it's2002. So the same year that I
was on that personal developmentprogram and that my son had
written to me, he said to me,something like I can't say
exactly the exact words but itwas something like don't worry,
he will find you because I wasso hopeless and helpless at that
(14:44):
time. And I had lost lost theplot there a bit, you know,
started going out a lot anddrinking and meeting guys and
just going down the wrong paththere. And so he said, Yes,
he'll find you so I was notmeant to be out this evening.
but an old work colleaguehappened to come back to Sydney
(15:05):
unexpectedly on a Friday. And soI went out. And this was very
late in the in the evening ormorning was probably two o'clock
in the morning at a nightclub.
But I have to give you thebackstory because it's more
interesting on my husband'sside. So my husband, his first
girlfriend, his childhoodsweetheart, he remained friends
with me, he still does remainfriends with. And she said to
(15:25):
him, a couple of months beforewe met, there's a girl that I'm
working with that you have tomeet. And so he said, you know,
sit up, let's go out one night,you know, at a bar. Anyway, it
never happened. And then thatnight, he was going out. And he
said to his friend, which isextremely, not who he is. And so
(15:46):
unlike him, he's electrician isvery salt of the earth. Straight
one at, you know, reallygrounded, would never call
himself intuitive. And he saidto his mate, I've got a funny
feeling that I'm going to meetthe girl forever tonight. Which
is not what he says. Yeah.
(16:06):
Right. So he was going out andmeeting girls. Is this the one?
No, is this the one? No. Is thisthe one no. And then at two
o'clock in the morning, he looksover at me. And I smile at him.
And he goes, Oh my God, she'sthe one. And so he thinks this
is just crazy. Yeah. So he'sgonna he tries to invalidate it.
So the first question he asksme, which is a such a bold
question is do you have aboyfriend thinking that I would
(16:28):
say yes. And then that wouldinvalidate? Yeah, he's
experience. And I said, No. Andhe thought, Oh, my God, she's
the one. Anyway, we weretalking. He said, What do you
do? And I said, I said, I'vejust been working in HR. And he
goes, I know a girl in in HR.
Her name's bush. I said, Oh, I'mJoe Bush's boss was his boss.
And that was his childhoodsweetheart. And I was the girl
(16:51):
that he was meant to meet. Noway. Yes. Yes. It was crazy.
Larry. Yes, it was absolutelycrazy.
Jamie Stephens (17:02):
So why didn't you guys meet, like, originally,
like she had planned like, itjust never worked out.
Gisele Gambi (17:07):
I just think it just never happened. Hmm. It
just never happened. Howbizarre. That is bizarre. And it
was one of those experienceslike we went out the next night.
And I remember having justsitting at a table having dinner
with him. It was like we'd knowneach other forever. It was just
one of those. Like, there wasnone of that awkwardness. The
only awkwardness that I had wasbecause he's very tall. And so
when you put his arm around me,and I was walking with him, I
(17:29):
felt like I was skipping along.
I couldn't keep in tune with.
It's like that was the only oddthing. Yeah. And you guys
together ever since? Yeah.
married for 18 years. 16 yearold boy called Joel and a 11
year old girl
Jamie Stephens (17:46):
called Ruby Rose. So amazing. Yeah.
Gisele Gambi (17:49):
Yeah. And he's been, I mean, I guess this is
also important for your podcastis that, you know, so he was
really on the journey with mefrom that from the beginning
there. And 2004 to 2011, thebusiness was going I mean, I
loved what I did absolutely lovewhat I did. And I found that
(18:10):
very natural. From aprofitability, financial
profitability point of view, itjust paid the bills. That's just
what it did. It was just enough,just enough. And then in then in
2000, and Ruby Rose in 2011. Andthen 12, and 13, I lost my
confidence. For whatever reason,I lost my confidence. And I had
(18:30):
a story that I couldn't sell.
And so I made some pretty stupiddecisions at the time, but
perfect in the long run ofpartnering up with one company,
not one company, I wouldn't saycompany, it was a guy with a
vision, who had an incrediblecommunity, and he wanted me to
kind of be their coach. Anyway,that didn't work. There was
absolutely no money coming inthere. And then the people that
(18:52):
were in that community that weredisgruntled. There were three of
them and myself who decided tojoin forces, which is a really
stupid decision to join forceforces from a place of being
disgruntled.
Jamie Stephens (19:05):
Yeah. So that was out as planned.
Gisele Gambi (19:11):
And that was that was the icing on the cake in all
the worst of ways that I workedso hard that year, I put myself
in all the most inauthenticplaces, and listened. So again,
this is so important that it foryour listeners listen to all of
you know, we hired marketers,and we had advisors and
basically, they were telling methat the way that I present
(19:34):
myself and the languaging that Iuse is unacceptable and that I
would need to change that inorder to be received. So I did
that. And what am I doing tomyself, I'm saying to myself,
you are not okay the way youare, you need to change and that
is such an unloving,disrespectful dishonouring
decision to make. So it'sputting myself in all these
(19:56):
positions and you know, pitchingin the most inauthentic way. I,
what happened there? Nothing, nobusiness at all. And my poor
body was riddled with anxiety.
And my husband was saying to me,you know, the ship is sinking at
home here financially, you haveto give yourself a cut off day.
And then we had a three a twoday facilitation with, like 15
CEOs. And the reason why we weredoing it was we wanted to prove
(20:21):
ourselves to them, so that theywould hopefully engage us.
Again, the premise of that is sofalse, so wrong. Let me prove
myself first, so that you likeus. So you know where that's
going to end, you know, there'snot going to be any Happy
Endings there. And I had aterror attack, which I'd never
experienced before. When I waspanic attack type, it was like
worse than a panic attack. Solike, I didn't even know what
(20:44):
that was notating I was soanxious. I couldn't move it on.
Normally, I couldn't move it on.
Because normally I'll say who'sanxious because I'm picking it
up within myself. And then itgoes, but it would not go. And
then we had a break. And I wasout with my colleagues. And I
started like, shivering and mylegs shaking, and my face is my
(21:04):
jaw is shaking, and there's ahospital up the road, and I'm
saying to them, I think I'mgonna have to go to hospital.
Like I didn't know what washappening. Anyway, that was that
was my body's saying to me, youare in the most incongruent
place right now. And luckily, Isaw that, right. And I listened
to it. And I said to the guys, afew weeks down the track, I have
to leave, which caused morechaos. But it was the perfect
(21:26):
decision. And I then wentthrough a couple of months of
being really angry, and dark aswell, I went through another
hopeless and helpless moment,but this time, I got really
angry. And I learned that angerheld in held in the idea that
there's a bigger pictureunfolding is actually really
powerful.
Jamie Stephens (21:47):
It's a higher emotion than despair, right? I
mean, anger. Right?
Gisele Gambi (21:51):
Right. Because I got to own up to I was so being
powerless. So being powerless,and so listening to everybody
else. And so I took my powerback. And that's another that's
another story that, you know, tothat end of 2013, to now, has
been another massive gamechanger for me.
Jamie Stephens (22:10):
Yeah, well, let's go into it. Because I
mean, it sounds like you are offto a great start. You had
recovered from your, yourpersonal tragedy, and your
divorce and the loss of yourson, all of those things, and
you were really kind of on a newpath. And then things were going
good until they weren't. Andthen you fell into like the
(22:32):
familiar hat like patterns andstuff again, that's what it
sounds like. So how, how did youbreak free from that cycle?
Again? I mean, I know you saidyou took back your power, but it
was it just the recognition,like, Hey, I've been here
before.
Gisele Gambi (22:46):
No, it was different. It was different. And
I'm and I'm so grateful for it.
Now. It was horrible at thetime, right when I was
experiencing that. But um, butit was necessary. It was
necessary to experience thatamount of intense contraction.
And I'll share why. So again, Iit was my intuition. Again, that
was the catalyst. And, you know,maybe some of your listeners
(23:09):
might be saying, but I'm notintuitive. Everybody is
everybody is they just have toget present. That's all. They
just have to get present to howthey're feeling and log off that
rational mind and allowexperiences to feed them to feed
them. Because life is alwayssupporting us. Yeah. So I was
going for a run. And as I'mgoing for a run, I hear the
(23:30):
message, stop and meditate.
Like, there's just in my mind,hear the message, stop and
meditate. And I'm like, what,I'm going for a run. I'm busy. I
know, like, this is not the timeto stop and meditate. I thought
alright, so I found a bench.
It's kind of like my favoritebench because it was really the
moment that changed everything.
I closed my eyes, and just, youknow, just got still even feel
(23:52):
emotional. Just back into thatmemory now. And I saw in my
mind's eye, I just saweverything that had happened. It
was like I thought I needed todo this hearing over here. I
thought I needed to be this overthere. Basically, what I saw was
I saw someone who absolutelyloved what they did, like I love
my coaching was my everything.
But the way in which I sold waseverything was everything that
(24:18):
were not meant to do. And I sawI've done it all like I had and
I've invested so much moneylistening to everybody else.
I've done it all and I and Ijust had this moment of
reverence actually, for thatprocess. It was like, wow, I
know what other people gothrough. But I'm kind of a
little bit more ahead of whatother people go through because
(24:39):
they they're still thinking thatthat's what they need to be and
do. And it was like, Wow, maybeI'm not here for everybody.
Maybe I'm just here for peoplewho are mirrors of me. And so I
was I got to that point offreedom again, right. I was no
longer victim. So you can seethe pattern here. Yes, that Yep,
taking response. ability. So Iran home and I love to write.
(25:01):
And actually, I had been writingon Facebook since Facebook
began, just for fun, just toshare what I write, I close my
eyes, and I just startedwriting. And then I read it. And
I thought, Oh, wow, that'sactually something that would be
quite valuable for people. Andfor the first time and never was
before I thought, what if Iattached a six month program to
(25:23):
that? Because I know, everythingyou're not supposed to be and
do. And so I put that up onFacebook. And then there wasn't,
there was a moment of like, youknow, what, are people going to
think of me? Because I've neverdone that before? And then I
thought, I don't actually can Iswear? Yeah, I mean, give a
shit. I don't give a shit anymore of what people think of me.
(25:44):
I've spent enough time there. Idon't need to do that anymore.
And I was supposed to go to anetworking event that night?
Because that's what you do.
Right? That's what you do.
Jamie Stephens (25:55):
That's what they tell you to do.
Gisele Gambi (25:57):
And I never liked it. I never, I never felt good
in these places. And I thoughtI'm not going to do I'm not
gonna go there. Right. Anyway,that night, I had two people
message me on Messenger fromthat advertisement. And one of
them is slightly new. And theother one I did not know. And
through face simply throughFacebook Messenger and me being
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present with them, and intuitiveand feeling them out. I signed
up two people, those two peoplefor a six month program that at
that time, I decided I'd put a$10,000 figure on and that was
done. Just like that, just likethat. You know, that was again,
talk about being a game changer.
And that and the ball keptrolling that way. Like that's, I
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really remembered that you know,who I am in coaching was
intuitive. Because I'm such afeeler, I can feel things, and I
can kind of know things aboutpeople. I just need to be that
in the sales process. That'sall. Yeah, some people will love
that. And some people won't.
Jamie Stephens (26:59):
And that's okay.
Exactly. Your people will loveit. That's right. And your
people will feel it. And that's,that's the difference. And you
know, I think as we're learningand growing, we tend to give
away so much of our power in theprocess just by being a student.
And you really have to make thatswitch of, okay, I know the
tools, and I know the rules. Andnow I'm gonna break them. Yeah,
(27:22):
like, you kind of have to learnthem and go through that phase
and like, kind of pay your dueskind of thing. But then it's
just like, oh, okay, Iunderstand kind of, like what
you were trying to do here, andI don't like it. So I mean, but
just getting back to thatauthentic, authentic, like, I'm
here to help people I'm here toshare, I am here to you know,
this is me all of the Take it orleave it, I don't give a shit.
(27:45):
If you don't like me, you know,I mean, like, whenever you get
to that space, it's just like,very freeing. It is, yeah, he's
Gisele Gambi (27:53):
unprofitable. And you know, what, not long after
that, you know, I woke up onemorning with these words, which
then became like, one of thefoundational premises of the
coaching authenticity isprofitable, in many ways, not
just financially in in manyways. And financially.
Jamie Stephens (28:11):
I just found the episode title. Great.
Authenticity is profitable. Yes.
Yes. It's I mean, that's such agreat message. I mean, just
being yourself and doing that.
Just now, I know that you alsohave a podcast, and that is
called the intuitive pool. Did Ijust Yes, that right, I think
(28:32):
okay. Yes. No. So I one of theepisodes that I just loved, that
you shared about in our group,and then I just went and cried
my eyes out, then my my daughterlistened to it, and she cried.
It was the episode on periodpoverty. Oh, wow. Can you share
(28:54):
that story and a little bitabout your podcast and kind of
the impact that that has had inyour life?
Gisele Gambi (29:01):
Oh, wow. That I mean, talk about choosing the
most perfect episode to talkabout. So I'll start there. And
then maybe I can talk about howthe podcast came about because I
was never in the plan similar tobreaking up with corporate it
was never in the plan. Never didI think I'd be podcasting. Yeah.
So there's a beautiful 18 yearold girl called Alia siringo.
(29:24):
Her mom is called Susan nap. AndSusan had listened to the
podcast and messaged me andsaid, You know, I love the
podcast and I think you wouldenjoy my story. So I met her and
she was incredible. And thepodcast episode that I
interviewed her is calledforgiving the unforgivable. So
(29:46):
Susan has four children. If I amremembering correctly, two of
them are adopted from Kenya.
Alia is one of those childrenwhose adopted from Kenya might
be wrong. In setting thenumbers, but at least certainly
adopted from Kenya. And when. Soyou can imagine with a title
called forgiving theunforgivable you can imagine
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what what they went through,there was a lot of chaos. So
Susan and I connected reallydeeply because she too, came out
of victim mode. And through herown process, we were both
students of a, an incrediblecookbook called A Course in
Miracles. And a miracle issimply it's a win win, we think,
you know, Jesus is that we allcan create miracles. It's a
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shift in perception, from fearto love for when it's so
whenever we have a shift inperception, from fear to love,
there is absolutely a miraclethat happens. Even the stories
that I've shared with mybusiness, all of them have been
shifts in perception from fearto love. Susan has taught her
children she's such anincredible mother, from the very
get go, you know, how we talkabout what do you be what what
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do you want to be when you growup? She says, Who do you want to
be now? And she says, How do youwant to contribute to the world
now. And you know, her kids arelike, as young as seven, right
up to I think the eldest is 21.
So I find that I find thatincredible. So when Susan was
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given an inheritance from herauntie, instead of buying a
house and doing what people do,or going on holidays, she
decided to build two schools inthe slums in Kenya. And, Alia,
after that happened, Alia, wentthrough a really dark time,
where she felt that there was noplace for her in the world. She
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went to visit one of theschools. And she knew what a
great opportunity is for thekids to go to school, because
just think about it, they're inthe slums, right? So it's just
this incredible, preciousopportunity. But what she was
noticing was that the girlsweren't turning up. She couldn't
understand why. So when sheinquired, she realized, it's
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because when they have theirperiods, they don't have the
sanitary means like we do to goto school. And so she then
realized that she could havebeen one of these girls had she
not been adopted. And so herpurpose for now was born. And
her purpose is to reduce or toadd money more Gee, sorry, to
eradicate period poverty inKenya, and then in other African
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countries.
And so what they do is that hersiblings and her raised, they
make things and they sell themand they raise money. That's one
of the ways and up untilrecently, they have employed a
couple of seamstresses, whichhas a ripple effect even in that
because they they're guaranteedemployment for a few months, and
(32:46):
then their children can go toschool. And last year, they sent
over seven 700 sanitary packs tothe girls. Which means that the
100 girls can go to school forthe next couple of years. And
when she was telling me, it wasquite a quite a harrowing
conversation if you like,because when she was telling me
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about reality over there, I wanther to feel like apologizing but
that the other hand, I don'tfeel like apologizing because
this is reality. They they shovenewspaper between their legs,
right? And then they don't havebathrooms like we do, they have
to go to the bathroom in a slum.
So they go to the bathrooms inthe slum, and there's men,
they're standing there withpads, pulling their pants down,
right in exchange for sets, justso if you think about the impact
(33:30):
that Alia has, it's it's justphenom phenomenal impact,
phenomenal impact. So I so Susanhad suggested that I interview
earlier which I had theprivilege of doing I shared that
episode, and I really had noexpectation of anything
happening from that episode.
Other than I thought, and I andI spoke this out loud because
(33:52):
she's an she's a wonderfulspeaker. And I said, you know,
for the people that listening,maybe you'd like to bring her
into your business and she canspeak to your business. That was
the way that I thought the ballwould roll. But what happened
was one of my clients who's adear friend of mine, messaged
me, she wanted to make ananonymous anonymous donation,
but the link that I'd put in theshow notes wasn't working. So
(34:13):
that's how I know it was her.
They got the right link, shemade the donation and then I get
a message from Susan thatafternoon saying oh my god,
Giselle. We've just receivedthat $1,000 donation, actually,
that was said that that donationwas this will support 100 girls
for the next three years. That'swhat it was that yes, yeah. That
was that one. My friend. clientwas just blown away. You know,
(34:35):
the words that she's usedbecause now this has ignited her
purpose. She said how can howgrand can a grand be? How grand
can a grand debate right nowshe's actually go ahead. And
Jamie Stephens (34:50):
I mean, it's just like, you know, $1,000 to
change the lives of 100 Girls,right? There's just So much
power in that, and there's justso much power and you just
choosing to listen to her story,and then her daughter story and
(35:11):
the story of these girls inKenya and just the ripple effect
that that creates. I mean, it isso powerful. I mean, the
platform and the possibilitythat is available to us, that
just wasn't the case. You know,not too long ago. And, I mean,
it's just, it floors me, itamazes me. I mean, it brings
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tears to my eyes, just thinkingof the power that we have, and
the power that we have toreally, really change lives. I
mean, that it's just amazing. Ilove that story. I mean, I hate
it. I love it. I mean, it's
Gisele Gambi (35:49):
I understand, and you know, the common denominator
that I've realized, every timesomething like this has
happened. It's always becauseit's been a consequence of
following the intuitive poolevery time. But there's no
rational planning here. Right?
There was no strategizing it wasevery time it was falling into
the pool. And you don't evenknow where it's gone since then.
Jamie Stephens (36:11):
Yeah, tell us the update, because that's been
like six weeks or somethingsince I think it aired somewhere
around there. Two things
Gisele Gambi (36:19):
happening. One of them. I received a message from
Susan. Yesterday, actually, Oh,wow. And she said that they're
about to be interviewed on areally popular, and it's a
really high quality program ontelevision, where they really
get into the, you know, they getinto the, the nuts and bolts of
(36:40):
life, like the hard nuts andbolts of life. And they have
really honest and challengingconversations. And so they're
now going to be sharing theirstory on this program called
Insight. And I asked Susan, Isaid, because she was thanking
me, and I said, How is thisrelated to the podcast? And she
said, by interviewing her thatthat day and becoming present
(37:03):
with her forgiving theunforgivable, that released a
massive block within herself,that has then created this
opportunity. So that's one andshe was like, Do you don't wish
she said, Actually, you willunderstand how big this is for
us, like this is big, she'll beon national television. So who
knows what will happen fromthere. The other thing that's
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happened is I have a, again, areally dear friend and peer. She
has an Ozzy lady who lives inKenya, who is a director of a
children's home of 40, orphanedor abandoned kids. And she
listened to the episode. And shenow has a vision, where she
wants the kids to start makingthe sanitary packs. Not only do
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they now learn to contribute,and to learn about period
poverty, and also for the boysto have respect for girls, which
is massive. But they also getinspired by Alia story of how
Jamie Stephens (37:59):
can you help today are who can you serve
today?
Gisele Gambi (38:03):
Imagine the amount of sanitary packs they're going
to be making. So it just keepson going. It just it just keeps
on at the ripple just keeps ongoing and going and going and
going.
Jamie Stephens (38:12):
So if someone is looking to practice their own,
listening to their own intuitionand hearing that pool, what is
the suggestion you have forpeople to really get started
with that? Meditate? Because weI mean, like you said, we all
have it? Yeah, we, I mean, it'spart of who being a human being.
Gisele Gambi (38:31):
I know. And I think when people connect
intuition with being a psychic,that's when we that's when we
think we don't have it.
Jamie Stephens (38:40):
Yeah, they're like, Oh, I can't do
Gisele Gambi (38:41):
that. And I can't even like if somebody says to
me, Are You Psychic? Like Ican't even define myself as that
because even I feel that's wayover there. Yeah. So we're all
connected. We're all connected.
And we, so the biggest practicethat I can recommend is
meditation. Meditation,meditation, meditation. And, you
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know, I say this many times, ifI didn't meditate, I would just
simply survive. Like, I get somuch from meditation, I get so
much. And meditation doesn'tjust mean sitting cross legged,
with your eyes closed, thinkingabout nothing, having no
thoughts, because I think that'swhere people get tripped up to.
I can't meditate because I can'tstop my thoughts. I have a lot
(39:24):
of thoughts when I meditate,have a lot of inspiration when I
meditate. And also meditation,you know, you know, when you're
in the shower, and you havethose thoughts. We're going for
a walk. And you have thosethoughts. It's just when we log
off that rational mind that, youknow, that has wants to tick off
the things on the list andorganize like, yes, we
absolutely need that mind. Butwe don't need to lead from that
(39:46):
mind. Yeah.
Jamie Stephens (39:49):
That's how we've kind of gotten to places where
we are today to where it's, it'smore of the just checking the
boxes instead of reallylistening to Have what we desire
and what you know, is part ofthe best and highest good for
people and yourself. I mean,because it's all intertwined.
(40:11):
Yeah. Whenever you just keeppushing it down and being a
victim to circumstance, likeyou're not open to the lessons,
and I think that that's so big.
I love it.
Gisele Gambi (40:22):
I think it's everything right? Yes,
everything. I think you and Istill on the same page there.
Yeah, yeah.
Jamie Stephens (40:29):
Awesome. Well, just though I have had so much
fun with this conversation. Ifpeople want to learn more about
you, your coaching your podcast,can you tell everybody where
they can find you? And then Iwill be sure to link them up in
the show notes.
Gisele Gambi (40:42):
Yes, thank you. So go to the intuitive poor podcast
on Apple podcast, and Spotify.
We'd love you to come and listento those episodes. And there is
there is an episode calledfollowing the intuitive pool. So
that might be interesting. Ifyou want to learn more about
connecting with your intuition,and then my website, www dot,
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Giselle gambi.com. Today you canconnect with me there. And also
feel free to Facebook friend me.
I'm a big Facebook. I'm sograteful to Facebook, I wouldn't
have a business if it weren'tfor Facebook. I'm only just
starting to get onto Instagramdoing my best there. So feel
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free to friend me on facebook.
GSL gambi. Yeah, that's awesome.
Jamie Stephens (41:30):
Okay, Giselle, thank you so much for your time
today. I really appreciateeverything and your story.
Gisele Gambi (41:35):
Thank you, Jamie.
It's been such a pleasure. Thankyou loved being with you, too.
Anyway, that was that was my body's saying to me
you are in the most incongruentplace right now. And luckily I
saw that right. And I listenedto it. And I said to the guys, a
few weeks down the track I haveto leave, which caused more
chaos. But it was the perfectdecision. And I then went
through a couple of months ofbeing really angry, and dark as
(00:21):
well, I went through a hopelessand helpless moment, but this
time I got really angry. And Ilearned that anger held in the
idea that there's a biggerpicture unfolding is actually
really powerful. It's a higheremotion than despair, right? I
mean, anger, right? Right,because I got to own up to I was
so being powerless. So beingpowerless, and so listening to
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everybody else. And so I took mypower back.
Jamie Stephens (00:50):
Thanks for tuning in to another episode of
Breaking up with corporate eachweek I chat with everyday women
that ditch their nine to five tobet on themselves. We break down
their journey intoentrepreneurship, unpack the
lessons learned and create thevision of how this life gets to
be if you're willing to getuncomfortable and step into your
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(01:13):
and coach to burnout womenlooking to plan their escape.
Let's go.
Hello, and welcome back toanother episode of Breaking up
with corporate today I haveGiselle can be on with me. And
Giselle is a business and lifecoach as well as a fellow
(01:34):
podcaster Welcome to the show,Giselle.
Gisele Gambi (01:37):
Thanks so much, Jamie. Thanks for inviting me to
come onto your podcast.
Jamie Stephens (01:41):
Yeah, for sure.
Okay, so let's just jump rightinto it. I know that you have
actually been out of corporatefor many, many years. But why
don't you go ahead and tell usabout what you were doing before
you kind of left the corporateenvironment and the quick
version of how you got here nowand then we'll just kind of dig
into it.
Gisele Gambi (02:02):
And do the quick version? Oh, yeah. Let's say, so
I have been out of corporatesince 2002, actually. So what's
that? That's 20 years. Oh, myGod. So it's interesting,
because your podcast is calledbreaking up with corporate and I
never meant to break up withcorporate. Yeah. So I'll start
(02:24):
with that. So I was in humanresources. I was working in five
star hotels in Starwood Hotels,they don't exist anymore. So
Sheraton, and four points and Whotels back then. And it's
really happy to be honest withyou. I was my last position was
I was HR director for threehotels. And I remember actually,
(02:44):
when I would welcome new staff,I would say, I think I'm going
to be doing this forever. Sobreaking up with corporate was
never in the plan. So the shortversion, and as you said, we can
go deeper later, is that I had amassive personal crisis that
catalyzed the breakup withcorporate and that is that I had
a really bad marriage. And thenI was pregnant, and then my baby
(03:07):
died when he was 11 days old,that completely shook me up. And
then that marriage broke up. AndI decided to go in do a
counseling course, whilst I wasstill working in corporate. And
then in 2002, my best malefriend said to me, you've got to
do this course this, you know,personal development course,
you've got to do it. And I'm aTorian. And I hate to be told
(03:29):
what to do. It took me a whileto actually actually ended up
being in his house, and he hadthe teacher there. And so I
thought, Okay, I'll go andlisten to him. And anyway, I
signed up that night. And so itwas through doing that course
and really remembering that I'vealways been intuitive, but I'd
never really owned it. And itwas through an intuitive process
(03:52):
that the message to leave my jobarrived. And do you want me to
just go there now? Or how do youwant to do
Jamie Stephens (04:02):
it? Yeah, let's just do it. I knew some of your
I knew your backstory. I don'tknow why I said the quick
version, because obviously,there's no quick way to, to
really tell this story. So yeah,let's just get into it.
Gisele Gambi (04:13):
Okay, thank you.
Thank you. So I was doing apiece of writing, which is
basically a piece of writing yougo into meditation to start
with, so you log off therational mind. And some people
call it stream of consciousnesswriting. So you basically just
start writing any write rubbish,right? I don't know what I'm
going to write about. I don'teven know what why I'm doing
this, blah, blah, blah. And thenyou start getting into the
(04:34):
groove. And, you know, thismight feel a little bit out
there for some people, but Ifelt like my son Joshua, was
coming through and speaking tome, which should really never
happened before. And so Istarted writing and, you know,
after a while, and he said tome, there was a peace in that
that he said to me, you're hereto ignite people's spirits and
hearts. That's what you did forme and 11 days was all I needed.
(04:57):
And now I Do the same to you.
And I was like, I wasblubbering, like, completely
overwhelmed emotionally. And itcontinued on Ed even spoke
about, you know, meeting, myfuture husband would find me,
which is exactly how ithappened. I completed that
(05:17):
writing, I had no idea what thatmeant. Absolutely zero idea what
igniting people's hearts andspirits meant. But I felt this,
I felt compelled that I had toleave my HR job, because I felt
that if I went back into it intonormal life in inverted commas,
that piece would just getswallowed up and be forgotten.
Jamie Stephens (05:39):
How long was it that you did that writing
between whenever he had passed,and that point, it was
Gisele Gambi (05:46):
three, three years since he had passed that I did
that piece of writing. And thenI think it was about a year on
that I broke up with my job. SoI held I held this, these words,
and I had the intention ofleaving. I didn't really tell
anybody about that. But I waswith it. I was not ignoring it.
(06:08):
And then synchronicity happened.
And my boss came to me one dayand said to me, we need to make
somebody redundant in your team.
And so I said, Pick Me. So madeit very easy for them, which was
great. And so that's whathappened. But I mean, I felt so
stupid, really, because Iremember going to lunch on my
last day with the generalmanager, you know, which was
(06:30):
very nice of him to take me tolunch. And he was asking me,
What are you going to do, and Icould not describe it, because I
didn't know. I really feltstupid. And my parents, my
brothers, you know, they've gonedown the traditional path, you
know, in the banking world, andvery high up in the banking
world. And my parents, in myperception revealed that. And so
(06:53):
when I told them, I was breakingup with this job, and my next
job was, I was being groomed fora regional role. So in my
parents eyes, you know, that wasamazing. And here I am saying,
You're here to ignite people'sspirits and hearts. The hell
does that mean?
Jamie Stephens (07:09):
Not really stupid, right? asked your mind
lost.
Gisele Gambi (07:13):
Exactly. Have you lost your mind that's exact,
especially with the crisis thatit just happened. I think people
really worried for me. Anyway, Itrusted it. And what I did was I
meditated every day. What doesit mean? What does it mean? What
does it mean? And then I thinkit was six months down the
track, that I saw what thatmeant. And what that meant was
when I did that personaldevelopment program, it was one
(07:36):
of those I know, it soundscorny, but it did change my
life. Because it taught me thatI create my reality. And up
until that time, I'd been avictim to my reality.
Jamie Stephens (07:49):
Well, yeah, I mean, it's it to go down that
path for sure. I mean, yeah,story, right. Imagine the, the
path. I mean, I don't even wantto, you know, I mean, it's, I
mean, that's just somethingthat, you know, no parent ever
wants to think about orconsider. And no, I mean, I
don't have words for that. Sojust keep going.
Gisele Gambi (08:10):
Okay, okay. Thank you. So, yes, I learned that I
create my reality, I learnedthat it's who I am being behind
what I'm doing, that is actuallycreating my reality. And I never
had seen up until that pointthat I had all these had this,
you know, pretty ensconcedbelief that I'm unworthy, and
(08:32):
I'm unlovable. And so of course,I choose a man who's going to
prove that right. So you know,he was really unfaithful, and he
was physically and emotionallyabusive. And so that that was
the perfect scenario, if youlike, for me believing that I'm
unworthy and that I'm unlovable.
So when I learned that, to stepoutside of victim mode, and take
responsibility, 100% personalresponsibility for the reality
(08:55):
that I had lived, I was free.
And so I'm then made aconnection to corporate, and
especially to HR. Because inthose days, a lot of what I was
dealing with was I was dealingwith people in conflict, and no
responsibility. And I thought,wow, wouldn't it be amazing if I
(09:17):
brought this to Corporation?
This notion of taking right I'vetaken 100% personal
responsibility,
Jamie Stephens (09:23):
what that would be for corporate America. What?
What
Gisele Gambi (09:27):
a game changer. So that's where it started. So I,
when I saw that, I wrote aprogram that lasted for six
months. And in my very in itreally, I was quite innocent,
very innocent. Which is abeautiful thing, actually. When
we break up with corporatebecause we need a sense of
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innocence in a way that doesn'tmean naivety. It just means, you
know like bright eyed and bushytailed and that enthusiasm
really created my first gig So Ihad created this PowerPoint
presentation that I wrotelearned totally inauthentic.
Totally not trusting myself,right. I remember sitting in
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front of my mom and you know,having my first laptop and rote
learning this PowerPointpresentation in front of her.
And I called up several of myfriends who I knew had small
businesses. And then one, whichwas a financial services
company, he said, come in andtell us about the program. And I
shared it in my wrote lert way.
And they said, I said, Okay,let's do it. Yes, my first gig
(10:31):
was, I think there was 15,financial services advisors that
I took away for four daysoriginally went away to this to
wine country in Australia to theHunter Valley. And I remember
doing a pilot program beforethat, because I wanted to test
this out. And it was mainlywomen on that program. And they
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said to me at the end, we love Imean, they loved it, right? I
mean, they had massive personaltransformation, but they said,
we're really concerned for you,because the financial services
industry is full of men. And menaren't going to open up. And you
know what? That was so wrong. Itwas not true. I remember being
just in the introduction, wewere sitting around in a circle.
(11:12):
And we got to the, to the thirdperson, and he just started
sharing, like, who he is and whyhe's there. And he started
crying. Whoa. Yeah.
Jamie Stephens (11:23):
I mean, that's like, I mean, especially when
we're talking like 20 ish yearsago, or something.
Gisele Gambi (11:28):
I know, it's a different world now. Yeah, it's
a different world to what it wasthen. But it was amazing,
because that just showed me thatI was in the right place. Yeah,
and ended up working with himfor a couple of years, actually.
So that's how it first started.
And then it actually morphed,because the people on that
program, because they had such amassive transformation, they
said to me, could I please puton a program for their life
(11:50):
partners, you know, husbands andwives. And so we did that. And
the actual the bowl ended uprolling more easily down that
personal road road, then goinginto corporate and bringing this
to corporate,
Jamie Stephens (12:05):
you know, but still, I mean, if you're working
with all of those types ofpeople, eventually, the goal is
to like, have it seep into intocorporate America, right is the
Yes, or thing personally.
Gisele Gambi (12:19):
And, you know, in the long run, what because this
is this is, I guess, significantfor your podcast, what ended up
happening as a result of that, afew years down the track is that
they broke up, many members ofthat team broke up with their
jobs, even the head. And he wentand did what he loved. Or two
(12:40):
heads, actually, they went anddid what they loved. And some
rose, you know, really rose, andand absolutely were, and still
are, where they meant to be, andother people went and followed
their passion. So it's not muchof a sell point is it? Let me
come and run this program foryou. But more than likely, a lot
(13:02):
of you kind of break up.
Jamie Stephens (13:04):
You'll learn how powerful you really are. And
you'll realize you don't needthis job.
Gisele Gambi (13:09):
Yes, exactly. And I have to say that the two heads
of their company were sogracious, and so trusting
because in the bigger picture,because they were willing to let
go. I mean, that's a massivething. A massive thing. Well,
Jamie Stephens (13:22):
I mean, that's like, that's the sign of a true
leader, right? I mean, forsomeone, it's a shame that they
went and left corporate, becausethose are the kinds of people
that we that we need. But youknow, it's those people that
realize there's that personalresponsibility and that personal
growth and that everybody's ontheir own path. And, you know, I
(13:43):
want someone cheering me onwhenever you go and find that
thing that you love. So yes, Ilove that they were so involved.
Gisele Gambi (13:50):
Well, one of them went and followed. Absolutely.
He's passionate. He went intoart. And he makes incredible
exhibitions here in Sydney. Andhe's really well known now. But
the other one actually becameconsultants. So he is bringing
the love, if you like tocorporate, like, yeah,
Jamie Stephens (14:06):
so at what point did the other part of that, I
don't know if you call it avision, or like what the call to
if it's audible, as far asmeeting your husband, your
husband coming to you? And thatwhole journey? How long? Tell us
about that story?
Gisele Gambi (14:22):
Oh, this is this isn't this is a crazy story. So
this is now 2000. And I so it's2002. So the same year that I
was on that personal developmentprogram and that my son had
written to me, he said to me,something like I can't say
exactly the exact words but itwas something like don't worry,
he will find you because I wasso hopeless and helpless at that
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time. And I had lost lost theplot there a bit, you know,
started going out a lot anddrinking and meeting guys and
just going down the wrong paththere. And so he said, Yes,
he'll find you so I was notmeant to be out this evening.
but an old work colleaguehappened to come back to Sydney
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unexpectedly on a Friday. And soI went out. And this was very
late in the in the evening ormorning was probably two o'clock
in the morning at a nightclub.
But I have to give you thebackstory because it's more
interesting on my husband'sside. So my husband, his first
girlfriend, his childhoodsweetheart, he remained friends
with me, he still does remainfriends with. And she said to
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him, a couple of months beforewe met, there's a girl that I'm
working with that you have tomeet. And so he said, you know,
sit up, let's go out one night,you know, at a bar. Anyway, it
never happened. And then thatnight, he was going out. And he
said to his friend, which isextremely, not who he is. And so
(15:46):
unlike him, he's electrician isvery salt of the earth. Straight
one at, you know, reallygrounded, would never call
himself intuitive. And he saidto his mate, I've got a funny
feeling that I'm going to meetthe girl forever tonight. Which
is not what he says. Yeah.
(16:06):
Right. So he was going out andmeeting girls. Is this the one?
No, is this the one? No. Is thisthe one no. And then at two
o'clock in the morning, he looksover at me. And I smile at him.
And he goes, Oh my God, she'sthe one. And so he thinks this
is just crazy. Yeah. So he'sgonna he tries to invalidate it.
So the first question he asksme, which is a such a bold
question is do you have aboyfriend thinking that I would
(16:28):
say yes. And then that wouldinvalidate? Yeah, he's
experience. And I said, No. Andhe thought, Oh, my God, she's
the one. Anyway, we weretalking. He said, What do you
do? And I said, I said, I'vejust been working in HR. And he
goes, I know a girl in in HR.
Her name's bush. I said, Oh, I'mJoe Bush's boss was his boss.
And that was his childhoodsweetheart. And I was the girl
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that he was meant to meet. Noway. Yes. Yes. It was crazy.
Larry. Yes, it was absolutelycrazy.
Jamie Stephens (17:02):
So why didn't you guys meet, like, originally,
like she had planned like, itjust never worked out.
Gisele Gambi (17:07):
I just think it just never happened. Hmm. It
just never happened. Howbizarre. That is bizarre. And it
was one of those experienceslike we went out the next night.
And I remember having justsitting at a table having dinner
with him. It was like we'd knowneach other forever. It was just
one of those. Like, there wasnone of that awkwardness. The
only awkwardness that I had wasbecause he's very tall. And so
when you put his arm around me,and I was walking with him, I
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felt like I was skipping along.
I couldn't keep in tune with.
It's like that was the only oddthing. Yeah. And you guys
together ever since? Yeah.
married for 18 years. 16 yearold boy called Joel and a 11
year old girl
Jamie Stephens (17:46):
called Ruby Rose. So amazing. Yeah.
Gisele Gambi (17:49):
Yeah. And he's been, I mean, I guess this is
also important for your podcastis that, you know, so he was
really on the journey with mefrom that from the beginning
there. And 2004 to 2011, thebusiness was going I mean, I
loved what I did absolutely lovewhat I did. And I found that
(18:10):
very natural. From aprofitability, financial
profitability point of view, itjust paid the bills. That's just
what it did. It was just enough,just enough. And then in then in
2000, and Ruby Rose in 2011. Andthen 12, and 13, I lost my
confidence. For whatever reason,I lost my confidence. And I had
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a story that I couldn't sell.
And so I made some pretty stupiddecisions at the time, but
perfect in the long run ofpartnering up with one company,
not one company, I wouldn't saycompany, it was a guy with a
vision, who had an incrediblecommunity, and he wanted me to
kind of be their coach. Anyway,that didn't work. There was
absolutely no money coming inthere. And then the people that
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were in that community that weredisgruntled. There were three of
them and myself who decided tojoin forces, which is a really
stupid decision to join forceforces from a place of being
disgruntled.
Jamie Stephens (19:05):
Yeah. So that was out as planned.
Gisele Gambi (19:11):
And that was that was the icing on the cake in all
the worst of ways that I workedso hard that year, I put myself
in all the most inauthenticplaces, and listened. So again,
this is so important that it foryour listeners listen to all of
you know, we hired marketers,and we had advisors and
basically, they were telling methat the way that I present
(19:34):
myself and the languaging that Iuse is unacceptable and that I
would need to change that inorder to be received. So I did
that. And what am I doing tomyself, I'm saying to myself,
you are not okay the way youare, you need to change and that
is such an unloving,disrespectful dishonouring
decision to make. So it'sputting myself in all these
(19:56):
positions and you know, pitchingin the most inauthentic way. I,
what happened there? Nothing, nobusiness at all. And my poor
body was riddled with anxiety.
And my husband was saying to me,you know, the ship is sinking at
home here financially, you haveto give yourself a cut off day.
And then we had a three a twoday facilitation with, like 15
CEOs. And the reason why we weredoing it was we wanted to prove
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ourselves to them, so that theywould hopefully engage us.
Again, the premise of that is sofalse, so wrong. Let me prove
myself first, so that you likeus. So you know where that's
going to end, you know, there'snot going to be any Happy
Endings there. And I had aterror attack, which I'd never
experienced before. When I waspanic attack type, it was like
worse than a panic attack. Solike, I didn't even know what
(20:44):
that was notating I was soanxious. I couldn't move it on.
Normally, I couldn't move it on.
Because normally I'll say who'sanxious because I'm picking it
up within myself. And then itgoes, but it would not go. And
then we had a break. And I wasout with my colleagues. And I
started like, shivering and mylegs shaking, and my face is my
(21:04):
jaw is shaking, and there's ahospital up the road, and I'm
saying to them, I think I'mgonna have to go to hospital.
Like I didn't know what washappening. Anyway, that was that
was my body's saying to me, youare in the most incongruent
place right now. And luckily, Isaw that, right. And I listened
to it. And I said to the guys, afew weeks down the track, I have
to leave, which caused morechaos. But it was the perfect
(21:26):
decision. And I then wentthrough a couple of months of
being really angry, and dark aswell, I went through another
hopeless and helpless moment,but this time, I got really
angry. And I learned that angerheld in held in the idea that
there's a bigger pictureunfolding is actually really
powerful.
Jamie Stephens (21:47):
It's a higher emotion than despair, right? I
mean, anger. Right?
Gisele Gambi (21:51):
Right. Because I got to own up to I was so being
powerless. So being powerless,and so listening to everybody
else. And so I took my powerback. And that's another that's
another story that, you know, tothat end of 2013, to now, has
been another massive gamechanger for me.
Jamie Stephens (22:10):
Yeah, well, let's go into it. Because I
mean, it sounds like you are offto a great start. You had
recovered from your, yourpersonal tragedy, and your
divorce and the loss of yourson, all of those things, and
you were really kind of on a newpath. And then things were going
good until they weren't. Andthen you fell into like the
(22:32):
familiar hat like patterns andstuff again, that's what it
sounds like. So how, how did youbreak free from that cycle?
Again? I mean, I know you saidyou took back your power, but it
was it just the recognition,like, Hey, I've been here
before.
Gisele Gambi (22:46):
No, it was different. It was different. And
I'm and I'm so grateful for it.
Now. It was horrible at thetime, right when I was
experiencing that. But um, butit was necessary. It was
necessary to experience thatamount of intense contraction.
And I'll share why. So again, Iit was my intuition. Again, that
was the catalyst. And, you know,maybe some of your listeners
(23:09):
might be saying, but I'm notintuitive. Everybody is
everybody is they just have toget present. That's all. They
just have to get present to howthey're feeling and log off that
rational mind and allowexperiences to feed them to feed
them. Because life is alwayssupporting us. Yeah. So I was
going for a run. And as I'mgoing for a run, I hear the
(23:30):
message, stop and meditate.
Like, there's just in my mind,hear the message, stop and
meditate. And I'm like, what,I'm going for a run. I'm busy. I
know, like, this is not the timeto stop and meditate. I thought
alright, so I found a bench.
It's kind of like my favoritebench because it was really the
moment that changed everything.
I closed my eyes, and just, youknow, just got still even feel
(23:52):
emotional. Just back into thatmemory now. And I saw in my
mind's eye, I just saweverything that had happened. It
was like I thought I needed todo this hearing over here. I
thought I needed to be this overthere. Basically, what I saw was
I saw someone who absolutelyloved what they did, like I love
my coaching was my everything.
But the way in which I sold waseverything was everything that
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were not meant to do. And I sawI've done it all like I had and
I've invested so much moneylistening to everybody else.
I've done it all and I and Ijust had this moment of
reverence actually, for thatprocess. It was like, wow, I
know what other people gothrough. But I'm kind of a
little bit more ahead of whatother people go through because
(24:39):
they they're still thinking thatthat's what they need to be and
do. And it was like, Wow, maybeI'm not here for everybody.
Maybe I'm just here for peoplewho are mirrors of me. And so I
was I got to that point offreedom again, right. I was no
longer victim. So you can seethe pattern here. Yes, that Yep,
taking response. ability. So Iran home and I love to write.
(25:01):
And actually, I had been writingon Facebook since Facebook
began, just for fun, just toshare what I write, I close my
eyes, and I just startedwriting. And then I read it. And
I thought, Oh, wow, that'sactually something that would be
quite valuable for people. Andfor the first time and never was
before I thought, what if Iattached a six month program to
(25:23):
that? Because I know, everythingyou're not supposed to be and
do. And so I put that up onFacebook. And then there wasn't,
there was a moment of like, youknow, what, are people going to
think of me? Because I've neverdone that before? And then I
thought, I don't actually can Iswear? Yeah, I mean, give a
shit. I don't give a shit anymore of what people think of me.
(25:44):
I've spent enough time there. Idon't need to do that anymore.
And I was supposed to go to anetworking event that night?
Because that's what you do.
Right? That's what you do.
Jamie Stephens (25:55):
That's what they tell you to do.
Gisele Gambi (25:57):
And I never liked it. I never, I never felt good
in these places. And I thoughtI'm not going to do I'm not
gonna go there. Right. Anyway,that night, I had two people
message me on Messenger fromthat advertisement. And one of
them is slightly new. And theother one I did not know. And
through face simply throughFacebook Messenger and me being
(26:20):
present with them, and intuitiveand feeling them out. I signed
up two people, those two peoplefor a six month program that at
that time, I decided I'd put a$10,000 figure on and that was
done. Just like that, just likethat. You know, that was again,
talk about being a game changer.
And that and the ball keptrolling that way. Like that's, I
(26:42):
really remembered that you know,who I am in coaching was
intuitive. Because I'm such afeeler, I can feel things, and I
can kind of know things aboutpeople. I just need to be that
in the sales process. That'sall. Yeah, some people will love
that. And some people won't.
Jamie Stephens (26:59):
And that's okay.
Exactly. Your people will loveit. That's right. And your
people will feel it. And that's,that's the difference. And you
know, I think as we're learningand growing, we tend to give
away so much of our power in theprocess just by being a student.
And you really have to make thatswitch of, okay, I know the
tools, and I know the rules. Andnow I'm gonna break them. Yeah,
(27:22):
like, you kind of have to learnthem and go through that phase
and like, kind of pay your dueskind of thing. But then it's
just like, oh, okay, Iunderstand kind of, like what
you were trying to do here, andI don't like it. So I mean, but
just getting back to thatauthentic, authentic, like, I'm
here to help people I'm here toshare, I am here to you know,
this is me all of the Take it orleave it, I don't give a shit.
(27:45):
If you don't like me, you know,I mean, like, whenever you get
to that space, it's just like,very freeing. It is, yeah, he's
Gisele Gambi (27:53):
unprofitable. And you know, what, not long after
that, you know, I woke up onemorning with these words, which
then became like, one of thefoundational premises of the
coaching authenticity isprofitable, in many ways, not
just financially in in manyways. And financially.
Jamie Stephens (28:11):
I just found the episode title. Great.
Authenticity is profitable. Yes.
Yes. It's I mean, that's such agreat message. I mean, just
being yourself and doing that.
Just now, I know that you alsohave a podcast, and that is
called the intuitive pool. Did Ijust Yes, that right, I think
(28:32):
okay. Yes. No. So I one of theepisodes that I just loved, that
you shared about in our group,and then I just went and cried
my eyes out, then my my daughterlistened to it, and she cried.
It was the episode on periodpoverty. Oh, wow. Can you share
(28:54):
that story and a little bitabout your podcast and kind of
the impact that that has had inyour life?
Gisele Gambi (29:01):
Oh, wow. That I mean, talk about choosing the
most perfect episode to talkabout. So I'll start there. And
then maybe I can talk about howthe podcast came about because I
was never in the plan similar tobreaking up with corporate it
was never in the plan. Never didI think I'd be podcasting. Yeah.
So there's a beautiful 18 yearold girl called Alia siringo.
(29:24):
Her mom is called Susan nap. AndSusan had listened to the
podcast and messaged me andsaid, You know, I love the
podcast and I think you wouldenjoy my story. So I met her and
she was incredible. And thepodcast episode that I
interviewed her is calledforgiving the unforgivable. So
(29:46):
Susan has four children. If I amremembering correctly, two of
them are adopted from Kenya.
Alia is one of those childrenwhose adopted from Kenya might
be wrong. In setting thenumbers, but at least certainly
adopted from Kenya. And when. Soyou can imagine with a title
called forgiving theunforgivable you can imagine
(30:08):
what what they went through,there was a lot of chaos. So
Susan and I connected reallydeeply because she too, came out
of victim mode. And through herown process, we were both
students of a, an incrediblecookbook called A Course in
Miracles. And a miracle issimply it's a win win, we think,
you know, Jesus is that we allcan create miracles. It's a
(30:32):
shift in perception, from fearto love for when it's so
whenever we have a shift inperception, from fear to love,
there is absolutely a miraclethat happens. Even the stories
that I've shared with mybusiness, all of them have been
shifts in perception from fearto love. Susan has taught her
children she's such anincredible mother, from the very
get go, you know, how we talkabout what do you be what what
(30:53):
do you want to be when you growup? She says, Who do you want to
be now? And she says, How do youwant to contribute to the world
now. And you know, her kids arelike, as young as seven, right
up to I think the eldest is 21.
So I find that I find thatincredible. So when Susan was
(31:17):
given an inheritance from herauntie, instead of buying a
house and doing what people do,or going on holidays, she
decided to build two schools inthe slums in Kenya. And, Alia,
after that happened, Alia, wentthrough a really dark time,
where she felt that there was noplace for her in the world. She
(31:41):
went to visit one of theschools. And she knew what a
great opportunity is for thekids to go to school, because
just think about it, they're inthe slums, right? So it's just
this incredible, preciousopportunity. But what she was
noticing was that the girlsweren't turning up. She couldn't
understand why. So when sheinquired, she realized, it's
(32:02):
because when they have theirperiods, they don't have the
sanitary means like we do to goto school. And so she then
realized that she could havebeen one of these girls had she
not been adopted. And so herpurpose for now was born. And
her purpose is to reduce or toadd money more Gee, sorry, to
eradicate period poverty inKenya, and then in other African
(32:25):
countries.
And so what they do is that hersiblings and her raised, they
make things and they sell themand they raise money. That's one
of the ways and up untilrecently, they have employed a
couple of seamstresses, whichhas a ripple effect even in that
because they they're guaranteedemployment for a few months, and
(32:46):
then their children can go toschool. And last year, they sent
over seven 700 sanitary packs tothe girls. Which means that the
100 girls can go to school forthe next couple of years. And
when she was telling me, it wasquite a quite a harrowing
conversation if you like,because when she was telling me
(33:07):
about reality over there, I wanther to feel like apologizing but
that the other hand, I don'tfeel like apologizing because
this is reality. They they shovenewspaper between their legs,
right? And then they don't havebathrooms like we do, they have
to go to the bathroom in a slum.
So they go to the bathrooms inthe slum, and there's men,
they're standing there withpads, pulling their pants down,
right in exchange for sets, justso if you think about the impact
(33:30):
that Alia has, it's it's justphenom phenomenal impact,
phenomenal impact. So I so Susanhad suggested that I interview
earlier which I had theprivilege of doing I shared that
episode, and I really had noexpectation of anything
happening from that episode.
Other than I thought, and I andI spoke this out loud because
(33:52):
she's an she's a wonderfulspeaker. And I said, you know,
for the people that listening,maybe you'd like to bring her
into your business and she canspeak to your business. That was
the way that I thought the ballwould roll. But what happened
was one of my clients who's adear friend of mine, messaged
me, she wanted to make ananonymous anonymous donation,
but the link that I'd put in theshow notes wasn't working. So
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that's how I know it was her.
They got the right link, shemade the donation and then I get
a message from Susan thatafternoon saying oh my god,
Giselle. We've just receivedthat $1,000 donation, actually,
that was said that that donationwas this will support 100 girls
for the next three years. That'swhat it was that yes, yeah. That
was that one. My friend. clientwas just blown away. You know,
(34:35):
the words that she's usedbecause now this has ignited her
purpose. She said how can howgrand can a grand be? How grand
can a grand debate right nowshe's actually go ahead. And
Jamie Stephens (34:50):
I mean, it's just like, you know, $1,000 to
change the lives of 100 Girls,right? There's just So much
power in that, and there's justso much power and you just
choosing to listen to her story,and then her daughter story and
(35:11):
the story of these girls inKenya and just the ripple effect
that that creates. I mean, it isso powerful. I mean, the
platform and the possibilitythat is available to us, that
just wasn't the case. You know,not too long ago. And, I mean,
it's just, it floors me, itamazes me. I mean, it brings
(35:31):
tears to my eyes, just thinkingof the power that we have, and
the power that we have toreally, really change lives. I
mean, that it's just amazing. Ilove that story. I mean, I hate
it. I love it. I mean, it's
Gisele Gambi (35:49):
I understand, and you know, the common denominator
that I've realized, every timesomething like this has
happened. It's always becauseit's been a consequence of
following the intuitive poolevery time. But there's no
rational planning here. Right?
There was no strategizing it wasevery time it was falling into
the pool. And you don't evenknow where it's gone since then.
Jamie Stephens (36:11):
Yeah, tell us the update, because that's been
like six weeks or somethingsince I think it aired somewhere
around there. Two things
Gisele Gambi (36:19):
happening. One of them. I received a message from
Susan. Yesterday, actually, Oh,wow. And she said that they're
about to be interviewed on areally popular, and it's a
really high quality program ontelevision, where they really
get into the, you know, they getinto the, the nuts and bolts of
(36:40):
life, like the hard nuts andbolts of life. And they have
really honest and challengingconversations. And so they're
now going to be sharing theirstory on this program called
Insight. And I asked Susan, Isaid, because she was thanking
me, and I said, How is thisrelated to the podcast? And she
said, by interviewing her thatthat day and becoming present
(37:03):
with her forgiving theunforgivable, that released a
massive block within herself,that has then created this
opportunity. So that's one andshe was like, Do you don't wish
she said, Actually, you willunderstand how big this is for
us, like this is big, she'll beon national television. So who
knows what will happen fromthere. The other thing that's
(37:24):
happened is I have a, again, areally dear friend and peer. She
has an Ozzy lady who lives inKenya, who is a director of a
children's home of 40, orphanedor abandoned kids. And she
listened to the episode. And shenow has a vision, where she
wants the kids to start makingthe sanitary packs. Not only do
(37:46):
they now learn to contribute,and to learn about period
poverty, and also for the boysto have respect for girls, which
is massive. But they also getinspired by Alia story of how
Jamie Stephens (37:59):
can you help today are who can you serve
today?
Gisele Gambi (38:03):
Imagine the amount of sanitary packs they're going
to be making. So it just keepson going. It just it just keeps
on at the ripple just keeps ongoing and going and going and
going.
Jamie Stephens (38:12):
So if someone is looking to practice their own,
listening to their own intuitionand hearing that pool, what is
the suggestion you have forpeople to really get started
with that? Meditate? Because weI mean, like you said, we all
have it? Yeah, we, I mean, it'spart of who being a human being.
Gisele Gambi (38:31):
I know. And I think when people connect
intuition with being a psychic,that's when we that's when we
think we don't have it.
Jamie Stephens (38:40):
Yeah, they're like, Oh, I can't do
Gisele Gambi (38:41):
that. And I can't even like if somebody says to
me, Are You Psychic? Like Ican't even define myself as that
because even I feel that's wayover there. Yeah. So we're all
connected. We're all connected.
And we, so the biggest practicethat I can recommend is
meditation. Meditation,meditation, meditation. And, you
(39:02):
know, I say this many times, ifI didn't meditate, I would just
simply survive. Like, I get somuch from meditation, I get so
much. And meditation doesn'tjust mean sitting cross legged,
with your eyes closed, thinkingabout nothing, having no
thoughts, because I think that'swhere people get tripped up to.
I can't meditate because I can'tstop my thoughts. I have a lot
(39:24):
of thoughts when I meditate,have a lot of inspiration when I
meditate. And also meditation,you know, you know, when you're
in the shower, and you havethose thoughts. We're going for
a walk. And you have thosethoughts. It's just when we log
off that rational mind that, youknow, that has wants to tick off
the things on the list andorganize like, yes, we
absolutely need that mind. Butwe don't need to lead from that
(39:46):
mind. Yeah.
Jamie Stephens (39:49):
That's how we've kind of gotten to places where
we are today to where it's, it'smore of the just checking the
boxes instead of reallylistening to Have what we desire
and what you know, is part ofthe best and highest good for
people and yourself. I mean,because it's all intertwined.
(40:11):
Yeah. Whenever you just keeppushing it down and being a
victim to circumstance, likeyou're not open to the lessons,
and I think that that's so big.
I love it.
Gisele Gambi (40:22):
I think it's everything right? Yes,
everything. I think you and Istill on the same page there.
Yeah, yeah.
Jamie Stephens (40:29):
Awesome. Well, just though I have had so much
fun with this conversation. Ifpeople want to learn more about
you, your coaching your podcast,can you tell everybody where
they can find you? And then Iwill be sure to link them up in
the show notes.
Gisele Gambi (40:42):
Yes, thank you. So go to the intuitive poor podcast
on Apple podcast, and Spotify.
We'd love you to come and listento those episodes. And there is
there is an episode calledfollowing the intuitive pool. So
that might be interesting. Ifyou want to learn more about
connecting with your intuition,and then my website, www dot,
(41:04):
Giselle gambi.com. Today you canconnect with me there. And also
feel free to Facebook friend me.
I'm a big Facebook. I'm sograteful to Facebook, I wouldn't
have a business if it weren'tfor Facebook. I'm only just
starting to get onto Instagramdoing my best there. So feel
(41:25):
free to friend me on facebook.
GSL gambi. Yeah, that's awesome.
Jamie Stephens (41:30):
Okay, Giselle, thank you so much for your time
today. I really appreciateeverything and your story.
Gisele Gambi (41:35):
Thank you, Jamie.
It's been such a pleasure. Thankyou loved being with you, too.
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