September 4, 2025 • 43 mins
Childhood Memories of the 90s—take a trip back to when photo albums were the real cloud storage, Dunkaroos were currency, and siblings could live the same day but remember it completely differently.
In this episode, Lisa and Josh dive deep into their childhood memories, debating 90s snack wars, the great Nintendo vs Sega divide, and whether mom’s “wooden spoon” was a legitimate threat or just parental theater. From Paula Abdul topping the charts in 1989 to the days before iCloud, they explore how our memories shape the stories we tell—and why your sibling probably swears you’re remembering it all wrong.
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Lisa (00:00):
Quick question Do you and your sibling actually remember
the same childhood?
Because Josh and I havecompletely different versions of
everything.
Josh (00:10):
Especially the parts where I'm clearly the innocent one,
and Lisa's rewriting historylike she's publishing a memoir.
Lisa (00:18):
Give me a break.
Today we're diving into thelies, the legends and the
totally false confidence we allhave in our own memories.
Josh (00:28):
We are unpacking everything from photo albums
versus phone pics to the greatsnitching incident of 94.
Lisa (00:37):
Plus, we'll be rewinding to September 1989, when Paul
Abdul was number one and Joshstill thought he was mom's
favorite.
Josh (00:47):
And a real listener letter about sibling memory wars.
That hits way too close to home.
Lisa (00:54):
Memory is a scam and you're about to get exposed.
Let's go, josh.
(01:14):
Did photo albums make memoriesmore real than phone pics?
Do you even have photo albums?
Josh (01:23):
No, I do not have photo albums Zero.
Lisa (01:28):
Not even one.
Josh (01:29):
Not even one.
Lisa (01:30):
Wow, okay, so I think I know who's what side you're
going to take.
Josh (01:37):
Well, I mean, everything is phone pics and you know,
through Apple you can orderthose nice photos.
Lisa (01:45):
Yes, like the photo books and stuff.
Josh (01:46):
Yeah.
So, like you know I have, likeI might have like.
Yeah, I have two photo bookslike that I got as gifts with
one of Jet, one of Fallon, butnot like, if you're talking
photo albums, like you take thephoto and you put it in.
No, no, no, no.
Lisa (02:05):
No, no, no.
In photo albums, like you takethe photo and you put it in no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, thoselike those feel very like
tangible you know what I meanlike the memories feel more real
when it's it, when it's likeyou're holding it does that make
sense.
I don't know why, but like I'm a, I'm a scrapbooker.
I don't want to say I do it allthe time.
Usually once a year I'll justkind of catch up or something
(02:28):
and do a year's worth ofscrapbooking and it's definitely
turned.
It started with the paperscrapbooking the legit old
school way, and now it's moredigital where I can create a
scrapbooking effect and thenprint it out on like a, an
actual film, like I don't knowwhat.
(02:49):
Would you call it like film?
yeah, I guess, I guess whateverbut I still have like tons of
pictures yeah, I don't know, Ithink it's, you know the it's.
Josh (03:03):
It's like my audiobooks, like I prefer audio books over
like the real thing.
But now I've been kind ofdabbling with the real thing,
like now I want to hold the book.
So you know, I I relate it tothat a little bit.
I guess you know you're youwant to hold the photo, you want
to.
You know, it feels maybe morereal to you versus probably some
(03:24):
people.
You know the photos, I, I don'teven.
I think it's never been a thingfor me.
That's why I think we look atphotos differently, period oh
for sure, of course, of courselike I'm the guy that you know,
I always got flack for this.
Um, I don't know if it's a guything or if it's a Josh thing,
(03:47):
but like I'll go to an event andit's like a super great moment.
But like I'll never pull out myphone because, like I'm in the
moment, so like I'm likeenjoying, like watching, uh, you
know, and it's like you didn'ttake a photo and I I'm like, oh
shit, no, you know.
So like I'm very much like inthe moment, so to speak, to be
(04:09):
able to have my brain be like oh, this is going to be a great
moment.
I should like take a photo ofthis.
Yeah.
I can't Like my mind can't likefathom that.
It has to be in the moment.
Lisa (04:23):
Interesting.
Can't like fathom that.
It has to be in the moment.
Interesting, see, but I wonder,is that something that you have
because we didn't grow up likethat, like we didn't have a lot
of pictures growing up?
Right think about it like.
I mean, there's not even likedigital evidence now of like old
pictures of us like we.
(04:44):
We have very few, like I think.
Josh (04:47):
Do you mean like our era, or do you mean us personally?
Lisa (04:49):
Us personally.
Oh, okay, like I mean yes.
Josh (04:52):
Well, you do the photos, don't you?
Lisa (04:56):
Yeah, there's a lot of like old school, like I went
through mom and dad's like stashand they have the old school
like things that you put in,like the projector slides, the
projector slides of like or likeyou know, early eighties, and
(05:17):
it's just like you have to holdit up to the to the light to see
what the fuck it even is, andlike it's ridiculous, right.
And and I tried at one point,like in the last, I'll say,
decade, to like take a bunch ofthose and actually get them
printed out like, or a digitalcopy of them, and like the
process is like ridiculous.
(05:38):
You know so, but the thing is islike if you back then you only
had the physical pictures, right, so you had, or the negatives,
right, but like who kept thefucking negatives?
Like I hated the negatives,chuck them, you know.
Now I'm like, wow, that wasreally stupid.
But like you only had thepicture and so like, if you lost
(06:01):
it, or like we lost a lot ofstuff, like in the 80s flood
when we had to like get rid of alot of things, like a lot of
our pictures got ruined andstuff like that Like they're
done.
Josh (06:12):
There was a flood, you had a flood.
Lisa (06:13):
Yeah, you were still really young.
But like it was, like you, it'sruined, it's done.
You don't have a digital copy,you don't have extra copies of
this picture laying around, soin that respect it's kind of
like yeah, for sure.
You know.
So I like that aspect of likeit's always digital and like I
(06:35):
have it no matter where I go.
I you know I have.
I can have it on my phone.
I've saved it on the hard drive, like we have evidence that
we've lived through these things.
Josh (06:44):
Yeah, I think that's why iPhone is so successful.
Lisa (06:48):
You know like because iPhone, specifically, or any
phone, well I, this isn't anyphone.
Josh (06:52):
Yeah, any phone.
But like I feel like iPhone waskind of like the like you know
we're, we're going to be, we'regoing to be a part of your
memories, you know kind of thing, and it's like iPhone, apple
photos, you know all of that.
Lisa (07:08):
Yeah, the iCloud, all of it, yeah.
Josh (07:10):
Yeah, like, and you're right, you know that is
something that's kind of cool.
Is that like you have all ofthat stuff?
Yeah, saved.
Lisa (07:19):
Yep, and like I mean now, like I mean I even have Amazon
photos.
Like I mean now, like I mean, Ieven have.
Amazon photos Me too.
Right, and it's awesome becauseyou can like.
Josh (07:26):
It's unlimited and it's free.
Lisa (07:28):
Exactly For pictures.
For pictures, Not for videosunfortunately, but it's like I
love that, because then I couldbe like oh okay, so I was this
age.
Like sometimes you rememberthings like, oh, I was, I was,
you know, it was New Year's of99, whatever right.
(07:49):
Or New Year's of 2010.
And I can go back to the album,the 2010 album, and find what I
need to, whereas, like, if youhave only physical photos,
imagine like, unless you'resuper duper, like into Like
albums 1999, 2000, 2001.
And all of your pictures arelike in order by sequence, like
(08:10):
come on, I'm sure there's peoplethat do that.
Josh (08:15):
But that to me is like Well, that's a lot of work.
Lisa (08:17):
It is a lot of work.
I wouldn't want to do that allthe time, so anyways.
So I think what you're digitaland I'm half half.
I'm going to say half half.
Josh (08:31):
Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely digital.
Lisa (08:33):
I like memories to be pretty, so the scrapbooking part
of it is, and the physical partof it that that satisfies my
creative, my creative juices, soto speak.
All right, so I think thatwraps up our 90s mystery
question photo albums.
All right, let's move on tothis or that.
Josh (08:57):
Yes.
Lisa (08:58):
You ready.
Josh (08:59):
I'm ready.
Lisa (09:00):
Okay, the first one Nintendo versus Sega.
Oh boy, so we're talking backin the day though one Nintendo
versus Sega.
Josh (09:05):
Oh boy, so we're talking back in the day though.
Lisa (09:08):
Oh yeah, these are all back in the day, this or that
back in the day.
Josh (09:12):
Okay, so in that case, sega.
If you asked me now, it wouldbe Nintendo, but back then I was
in awe about Sega because Ididn't have it as much.
I had the Super Nintendo.
I had you know, but Sega was,like, you know, sonic and
everyone was so into it and sothat was something that always
(09:35):
interested me.
So, like this or that back inthe day, sega okay, for me it
was Nintendo, love Nintendo.
Troll dolls versus beaniebabies.
Lisa (09:48):
So, okay, I remember troll dolls more in my, like high
school days.
We used to keep them in ourlocker for good luck.
I don't know we were weird, butbeanie babies like I remember
that a lot Like mom used tocollect them.
Remember when they used to havethem as like McDonald's toys.
Josh (10:04):
Yes.
Lisa (10:05):
She'd have garbage bags full of them.
Josh (10:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Lisa (10:08):
Yeah.
So I'm going to say BeanieBabies, what?
Josh (10:11):
about you.
Lisa (10:13):
If you had to.
I know you probably don't givea shit.
Josh (10:16):
Probably Troll Dolls.
Lisa (10:18):
Yeah.
Josh (10:19):
Yeah, I think so yeah.
Lisa (10:21):
Okay, saved by the Bell or Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
Josh (10:25):
Fresh Prince because I never even watched Saved by the
Bell, oh, or Fresh Prince ofBel-Air.
Lisa (10:28):
Fresh Prince because I never even watched Saved by the
Bell.
Oh no, I just I didn't clickwith it.
I watched it a few times,Didn't click with it as much.
Fresh Prince every weekend.
Josh (10:35):
Yeah, Fresh Prince, that was the best All the time.
Lisa (10:44):
Fm radio countdowns or Napster playlists Gosh Napster
yeah, I figured you would saythat.
For me, though, my like peakwas more FM radio countdowns.
I would sit there with acassette player and wait for my
song to come on to record it.
Yeah, that's how we had torecord stuff.
(11:07):
Yes, every recording I hadalways included a clip of like
the radio host at the beginningor the end, and I always fucking
hated when they wouldn't let asong finish you know, oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah don't you know?
Josh (11:25):
we're trying to record here it's true uh, dunkaroos
versus gushers of dunkarooshands down my favorite, the, the
treat I could never get.
I know right we weren't, weweren't allowed to have that
stuff no, I would trade my foodand stuff to get one of the
dunkaroos from people yep, youknow what else was really good
(11:47):
Lunchables.
Oh yeah, but we never got thoseeither.
Lisa (11:51):
Mom was like well, just cut up some cheese and crackers.
Josh (11:53):
And I think we're like no, it's not the same.
I remember, though she used to.
She cracked a few times.
Remember those?
It was like a little pizza andyou'd put the little sauce and
then you put the little cheesewith like two pepperonis.
Lisa (12:08):
Never, not with me.
Josh (12:09):
That was a good one, so I guess we know who's mom's
favorite.
Well, I already knew thatSaturday morning cartoons or
TGIF.
Lisa (12:21):
Oh, tgif hands down.
Josh (12:22):
Yeah, same, yeah, absolutely.
Lisa (12:25):
Like I'm trying to remember if we even did Saturday
morning cartoons.
Josh (12:29):
I mean I did, but it wasn't like a thing like we, it
was just kind of like yeah, youknow.
Lisa (12:36):
Yeah.
Josh (12:37):
I'd be watching Dragon Ball Z or whatever.
Lisa (12:40):
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was a big thing, yeah
Two.
Josh (12:43):
Yeah, I mean, we are seven years apart, six, six years
apart.
So like in the scenario of likewatching cartoons together, you
know, probably not really.
Lisa (12:52):
Not really, but we did only have the one TV, josh, yeah
.
Josh (12:55):
TGIF, though, was a thing.
Yes, for sure.
Lisa (12:58):
Yeah, walkman versus Discman.
Josh (13:02):
I mean, I remember having a yellow Walkman which was
probably yours at once upon atime or something it was.
I'm remembering it right now soI remember having snow as one
of my, one of my um cassettes,really that was a cassette, it
wasn't a cd no, it was acassette fuck.
Lisa (13:21):
So that was, um, that was when we lived on Mizunov, um, so
, like, I guess I'm gonna saycassette yeah same well, I feel,
I just feel like that, like Imean, I had a discman too at one
point later on, but walkman,like was just epic, and like
(13:43):
listening to a song over andover again and like rewind,
rewind yeah, oh yeah yeah, lovethat oh my gosh I.
I don't love it, but I miss it.
You know what I mean yeah whenI think about those times, I'm
just like oh those were the goodold days watch, I bet you they.
Josh (13:59):
They make a comeback with a fancy cassette player and then
people can do cassettes again.
Look how, how the vinyls.
Look at the vinyl things thatare coming out now to do the big
records?
yeah, but I think becoming moreand more popular yes, those were
always there, but it was aniche like those never went away
(14:19):
no, but it was a niche, but nowcassettes went away yeah, but
like now, the companies havelike these fancy ones like
recorders you know like to, toput the you can buy like, uh,
like some of our podcastequipment.
They sell disc record yeah,yeah.
Lisa (14:38):
Interesting, yeah, interesting DJs.
Josh (14:42):
DJs use them a lot.
Oh well, yeah of course, andthey're fancy ones.
Lisa (14:45):
Yes.
Josh (14:46):
They're all like made out of aluminum, and you know so.
Lisa (14:49):
Yeah.
Josh (14:52):
Slap bracelets versus friendship bracelets.
Lisa (14:56):
I remember slap bracelets more than friendship bracelets.
Josh (15:00):
Me too.
Yeah, slap bracelets all theway.
Lisa (15:02):
Yeah, and in the last few years one of the kids went to a
birthday party and in theirfavor bag it was a slide.
I was just like I went throughdown this like a little rabbit
hole of like my youth, I lovethese things.
The kids were looking at melike okay, you're a little weird
(15:22):
.
Nickelodeon versus DisneyChannel?
If I remember correctly, wedidn't have Nickelodeon.
Was a Nickelodeon like its ownchannel on cable.
Josh (15:36):
I think some was mixed in with like YTV and stuff.
No yeah, but I feel like I'mpretty sure it was mixed in.
But I don't even rememberanything from Disney Channel.
I don't even remember there wasa Disney Channel.
Lisa (15:50):
No, no, no yeah.
Josh (15:53):
So I'm going to say Nickelodeon, I guess, because
that was stuff like.
I remember watching some showswhere Nickelodeon yeah, it's
like the Rugrats.
Yeah, yeah, so.
I remember stuff like that, butDisney-wise.
Lisa (16:10):
See, I remember like Fraggle Rock was a Disney one,
wasn't it?
Like I know, it's a Jim Hensonshow.
I would think it was Disney,but anyways, regardless, you
don't remember Fraggle Rock?
Oh no.
It's definitely the 80s, butI'm going to say Disney Channel.
(16:30):
Okay.
Because for me again, I think itgoes back to the age difference
.
By the time, like Nickelodeonlike was a thing, I was older
and like kind of past that shit.
But I remember like everySunday night after dinner,
before bed, we sat and watchedthe Disney movie at six oh my
(16:55):
god do you know what I mean?
Josh (16:56):
yeah, but you know, I just hit me.
You know what cartoon Iabsolutely love the little
freaking ducks, the kids oh, ohyeah, yes Duck, yes DuckTales.
Ducktales yeah, that's Disney,no.
Lisa (17:12):
Yeah, it's DuckTales, because it's Donald Duck.
Josh (17:17):
Yeah, right, donald Duck is Disney, right?
Yeah, do they have that onDisney Plus?
Lisa (17:21):
Yeah, no, they have it.
Yes, they do Because the kidswatch it.
Josh (17:26):
The DuckTales that was.
I loved that show so much.
The adventures, yeah, theadventures and everything.
Oh, that was the best.
Um, are you afraid of the darkversus goosebumps?
Lisa (17:39):
I'm gonna say goosebumps same hands down and like, did
you read the books?
Josh (17:44):
oh, you weren't really a big I read a little bit of the
books, yeah, but like you know,I had them.
Lisa (17:48):
I don't know if I read them but yeah, those were, those
were my favorite yeah, well, Ilove the show.
Josh (17:55):
Yeah, the show.
The goosebumps yeah, they, theyhad them on ytv sometimes.
And uh, yeah, after school okay, see, I didn't.
Lisa (18:05):
I wasn't so much into that .
It was definitely the books forme.
Josh (18:08):
No, it was awesome, but have you seen the recent
Goosebumps?
Shows.
No, they still do it.
Lisa (18:14):
They reinvented it a little.
Listen, watched it with Riley.
I was like this shit is good.
I know they're probablymarketing towards kids,
obviously, or tweens, teens, butI was like this is pretty good.
Josh (18:30):
Damn.
Yeah, I didn't even know theyremade or they started making
them again.
Lisa (18:34):
Neither did I, and then I just we happened to come across
actually I think Riley mentionedit I was like oh, goosebumps.
I was like huh, because we gotthem all the books.
Josh (18:43):
I used to love the fancy books, like because Goosebumps
was always prickly there on thebook.
I think that's why I boughtthem.
I don't think it was to readthem.
Lisa (18:54):
You're so funny, that's hilarious.
Okay, so now we're going totake it to our Dear.
Whatever letter.
Okay are you ready.
Do you want to read our firstletter?
Josh (19:08):
Sure.
Lisa (19:09):
Go for it.
Josh (19:10):
Dear sibling.
Whatever.
My brother and I have totallydifferent memories of our
parents' divorce.
He remembers it as peaceful andmature.
I remember it as a screamingmatch and moving into grandma's
house with nothing but a trashbag of clothes.
Now, as adults, he says I'mmaking it more dramatic than it
(19:33):
was and I say he's ignoring thetrauma.
It's causing real tension,especially around family
holidays or when our kids askquestions.
How do you navigate conflictingchildhood memories without
discrediting each other orrewriting the past?
Oh.
Holy shit, are we freakingtherapists now?
Lisa (19:55):
No, not in the least.
Okay.
But we're going to try to giveour opinions at least.
All right.
Try to help.
So I'm feeling the feels.
Try to help.
So I'm feeling the feels.
I feel very like, sad for this,for this person.
Hmm.
(20:18):
That could be very traumatic.
I'm trying to think ofsomething that, like I'm sure
there are things that we bothlive through, so like there's
the event and then there's yourperception and my perception,
and like what we each take awayfrom it.
Right, and it's so funny.
(20:39):
There have been times over theyears where, like, we'll be
discussing something from thepast, whatever it is, and I'll
look at you and I'll be be likehow the hell did you get that
from that?
Josh (20:52):
do you know what I mean?
Lisa (20:54):
it's just like, did we even grow up in the same house?
Like what, it's so funny howthat happens I don't know why.
Josh (21:03):
Well, it's like that it's because the perception is
different.
Also, like this question alsodepends on the age difference.
Are they the same age?
Are they not the same age?
Lisa (21:14):
Yeah.
Josh (21:15):
Because that can impact the perception Right.
Lisa (21:19):
Yeah.
Josh (21:20):
I think regardless, though I think that I always hated
that little comment, you know, Ithink you're making it more
dramatic than it was.
Lisa (21:31):
Oh yes.
Josh (21:32):
So I feel like I guess you know, I understand that it's a
sibling and obviously we careabout our siblings, but for me,
you know, you can't, you know,take it to heart what they feel
and their perception of whathappened or control it Exactly.
(21:55):
So then it is what it is, youknow, and whatever they say to
you about how you should feel orshouldn't feel, I mean you know
, that I take with a grain ofsalt.
Lisa (22:04):
Yeah, I think this day and age we should stop telling
people how to feel, or stoptelling them that their feelings
are not valid.
Like enough already.
Josh (22:15):
Yeah, I think we're all guilty of doing that at some
point.
Lisa (22:18):
Absolutely, absolutely we are, but yeah, but let's take a
step back and start like it's.
We don't have to agree onthings for me to appreciate the
fact that you can feel how youfeel.
And I'm sure, I hope you feelthe same about me.
So it's kind of like I don'tknow I'm going to side with our,
(22:39):
our, our writer here.
Yeah.
If there is a side to take, youknow, but how, how would we?
What would we?
What kind of advice would weoffer?
Josh (22:54):
I guess I would say that it sounds, at least from the
letter, like this person is notexpressing to the brother how
it's making them feel.
And so I think you know, if Ihad to guess I could be totally
(23:16):
wrong.
But I guess my perception is,if I had to guess, the brother
is probably older.
And you know he's saying heremembers it as peaceful and
mature, blah, blah, blah.
And you know he's saying heremembers it as peaceful and
mature, blah, blah, blah.
And you know now, as adults,you know he says that, you know
you're making it more dramaticthan it was.
Lisa (23:38):
And it's causing tension.
Josh (23:40):
So I mean, you know, I don't know, I guess this is not
like a big deal for me.
So like, if this is causingtension, like if this is causing
tension, we've got problems.
You know, we've got problemsout there, like I mean, I mean
(24:02):
this can't be the only thingthere's got to be more to it.
Yeah, I, yeah.
I mean that wholeheartedly.
Of course I don't meandisrespect, I just mean, if this
is something that is, you know,having real tension towards
family holidays, you know, whenour kids ask questions or this
(24:24):
or that, I mean you know there's, there's gotta be a lot more
going on there.
Lisa (24:29):
I think so too.
Josh (24:31):
Um, and, and you know, maybe, like when the kids are
asking questions or you know,talk to your sibling and maybe
have like a setup or you knowsomething like okay, by the way,
like I understand, you know you, you think this way, I think
that way.
Like I understand, you know you, you think this way, I think
(24:51):
that way.
But if the kids are saying this, let's tell them, like what you
know, just some kind ofconnection so that you know
there's not this.
You say something and then theother, uh, the other sibling is
like no, that never happened, orwhatever, and yeah, and then it
just gets out of hand.
Lisa (25:05):
Right yeah.
And if this is in fact the onlything and we're wrong, there's
not more to it, then, like Imean, I'm going to just pull
something out of the old Lisahat, which is avoidance is key,
oh jeez.
You know what I mean, likemaybe just don't talk about it,
(25:25):
then you know yeah.
And when the kids bring it upsay you know what it's in the
past, we're going to keep it inthe past and leave it at that.
Yeah.
Like agree to disagree and moveon, because for the I mean
moving on.
Josh (25:45):
I think is important because I guess for me I can't
think that far in advance.
Yeah, I think about today, notlike, oh boy, next week we're
going to this thing and we'regoing to talk about.
Lisa (25:52):
Oh, my God Josh.
Josh (25:54):
Like I can't do that.
Lisa (25:56):
I'm the opposite.
I've planned three years inadvance.
Josh (26:00):
Well, I mean, it took a lot of time for me to be able to
do that, yeah, but you know,now it's a lot more peaceful.
So I think that that's part ofit.
It's about finding your peace,and the way you find your peace
is to not think about theseconversations and it's to just
kind of go with the flow.
And sibling happens to saysomething.
(26:20):
It's like you could look at ittwo different ways you can
bicker and argue about it, oryou can smile and say that's how
you feel Cool and move on.
Lisa (26:33):
All right, Well, disclaimer we are not therapists
.
But, this is our opinions.
Josh (26:39):
And good luck.
Mess up some people.
Lisa (26:44):
I hope not.
Please tune in again, josh.
I hope not.
Please tune in again, josh.
Do you remember mom or dad evertelling you or us something
terrifying, just to make usbehave?
Josh (27:01):
I feel like, yes, I remember, but it's just I don't
know if I have it in my head toremember, but yes, I remember
there was some like littleterrifying little like oh my
gosh, you know, kind of things.
Um, that weren't true, um, butyeah, no, I, I agree there's.
Lisa (27:24):
There's gotta be some out there.
But I'm going to just refreshyour memory.
And this will bring up a wholeflood of emotions.
I'm sure the wooden spoon Right.
So they didn't tell.
Well, they did tell us it wasdo I have to get the wooden
(27:47):
spoon?
That was the trigger.
Yeah.
Do you remember what you feltevery time you heard that, and
when did you stop caring, if youdid?
Josh (28:00):
I don't remember.
Lisa (28:02):
No.
Josh (28:04):
I don't remember.
I remember the wooden spoon,but I remember mom wooden spoon.
Lisa (28:08):
But I remember mom used to keep it very handy.
Yeah, oh shit, yeah, yeah, Iwas terrified of that.
I was terrified of that.
That brings up like that bringsup some shit for me, honestly.
(28:34):
Yeah, I think that's why I'm,I'm the good one, the listen you
know and be good like, do whatyou're told and like you know so
you're yeah right, but it couldalso be quite the opposite with
that in what way?
What do you mean?
Josh (28:48):
well, if you're saying like, you know threats or, or,
or you know usage of the woodenspoon, I mean that can go 50, 50
.
Yeah.
You have people where you hearit all the time where they're
like, you know, like, oh, Iturned out fine, you know, like,
because I was disciplined orwhatever.
And then you have others thatwere like little shits because
(29:09):
of that, you know.
So it's like a 50-50.
Lisa (29:12):
I guess.
So yeah.
So I ended up in the firstbatch, which is you know, and
for the longest time I did kindof like say exactly that, which
is well, like we got spanked andI turned out just fine, right.
And then you hit 40 and go downthis like childhood trauma
(29:39):
rabbit hole and you're like, ohwait a second, I'm actually not
fucking fine.
Yeah, well.
Does that have anything to dowith it?
No, maybe not.
Who knows?
But all I know is that when Ihad my first kid, the very first
thing that I thought of when Iwas thinking of parenting styles
was I'm not going to fuckinghit my kid, there's going to be
(30:03):
no wooden spoon in my house.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, so clearly.
It affected me enough that thatwas the very clearly the number
one thing that I was like neverhappening in my house, you know
.
Josh (30:19):
Yeah, I think.
I think, as time went on,things changed and evolved.
Things changed and evolved and,you know, we realized that
positive reinforcement was a bigfactor in learning.
Well, what do?
Lisa (30:36):
you learn when you're afraid all the time.
Josh (30:39):
Well, you learn to.
You know, not fuck up.
Lisa (30:42):
There you go Right.
Josh (30:44):
Right, but it's a different form of that.
Lisa (30:47):
Like you know, it's not the same thing, so so oh, yay,
so as we, I guess, uh, I guessI'm the one with all the trauma
and you can't remember shit well, that that could be.
Josh (31:01):
That could be trauma, in a nutshell, right there there you
go.
Lisa (31:05):
Actually, you're right, I shouldn't, I shouldn't, joke
about that I've always hadissues with past memories.
Josh (31:11):
For some reason okay but definitely this past year, I've
kind of developed this wholething of like the moment
tomorrow and the momentyesterday is over, like like you
died, you're done like theday's over.
It's like you died, you're doneLike the day's over, it's gone,
it doesn't exist anymore.
And so I've been trying it's sohard, but I've been trying to
(31:35):
kind of have that mindset sotomorrow doesn't exist yet
You're not born yesterday, youdied.
The only moment you have is thepresent, right now.
This is the only time you'realive, right, you know?
Lisa (31:51):
That's an amazing sorry, were you done or did you want to
?
Josh (31:54):
finish your thought.
No, go ahead.
Lisa (31:55):
That's amazing.
I love that thought processright.
Mm-hmm.
But where does learningsomething and growing something
fit in there?
Josh (32:09):
Because if tomorrow's dead no no, no, yesterday was dead.
Lisa (32:13):
Or whatever.
Sorry, yesterday is dead.
Josh (32:15):
Tomorrow.
You're just not born yet.
Lisa (32:16):
Okay, but if yesterday's dead and it's like it's done,
you can't think about it, youcan't change anything.
Where does like learning, likelearning lessons, learning from
your mistakes?
Where does that fit in?
Josh (32:30):
Well, it doesn't mean that you're not taking something
away.
Lisa (32:34):
Oh, okay, right Okay.
Josh (32:35):
It just means that you know yesterday is over, like
whatever happened that day,whatever is negative that people
bring in to the next day, soit's like holding on to things.
Yeah.
Lisa (32:50):
As opposed to learning something.
Josh (32:52):
Learning something is something completely different
and having goals doesn't meanthat you don't think about the
possibility of goals you know inthe future.
What it means is that you don'tthink about you know, I'm going
to be happy when I have this.
Or.
I'm going to be happy once Ihave X, y, z taken care of, or I
(33:12):
achieve this goal, or whatever.
Okay, so it's a lot morethinking of, just like the now
concept.
Lisa (33:21):
Okay, right, I understand.
Josh (33:22):
But you still have goals, you still learn.
It's like being born every day,but you have the knowledge of
what you learned the day before.
Lisa (33:31):
Right.
Josh (33:31):
Right, it just means that you don't carry over the burden.
Lisa (33:34):
Yeah, like you're not holding onto grudges, you're not
bringing in the negativeself-talk oh, yesterday was such
a bad day.
Josh (33:40):
Okay, how was?
How was your day?
Uh, how was your week?
Oh, yesterday was so bad.
You know, I had this happen tome and, oh, you know, and dah,
dah, dah, dah.
And now, all of a sudden,you're living the next day,
which has nothing to do withyesterday anymore, and all
you're thinking about is hownegative it was and how bad it
was, and you think that you'regoing to be productive that day
(34:03):
with that thought process.
yeah, right yeah so I guess theway I look at it is that it just
it's not logical to you reallyhave to be in tune then.
Well, it's hard Like truly itmust be, it's a process.
It must be, and I'm nowherenear perfected it, but I try.
Lisa (34:25):
Well, that's really.
Sometimes we have these likelittle tidbit conversations and
I'm like in awe of you sometimes, you know.
Josh (34:33):
No, I'm serious.
Why?
Lisa (34:34):
I'm just like I don't know , Because I guess maybe in some
way I still think of you as likemy little brother.
Josh (34:41):
I am.
Lisa (34:42):
You know what I mean.
Like the little brother, youknow that's annoying me all the
time and shit.
And I'm like oh man, heactually has like like really
fucking good thoughts and like agreat like perspective on
things.
And it's just it's nice.
Josh (34:57):
I think I owe it to you know the philosophies and
everything that I've been intoin the past year.
You know, yeah, yeah.
Wow.
Like now I'm getting intoJapanese philosophy.
Lisa (35:13):
Really.
Unbelievable Is that on is isTao.
Josh (35:18):
Taoism.
Lisa (35:19):
Taoism.
Is that Japanese or no?
Josh (35:21):
Oh, it's more Chinese.
Lisa (35:23):
Okay, um which?
Josh (35:25):
which, which I'm like that If I had to say something that
I am like, it's definitely that.
Lisa (35:31):
Taoism.
Josh (35:32):
Yeah, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know 100%.
And then there's just otherthings that like are just added
to it, that like complete thecircle, kind of thing.
That's so cool Right.
Lisa (35:43):
Yeah, so and yeah.
So what's Japanese?
Josh (35:45):
Oh, like Bushido, and you know just the way of the warrior
, oh, and just the.
You know the way they think andso on.
It's really incredible theirphilosophies.
They really are.
They're so honorable.
Lisa (36:00):
I know right.
Josh (36:01):
You know, like you ever hear those like on TV or movies.
You know where they like takethe sword and they like cut open
their.
You know, but it's like whenyou learn about why they do it.
Lisa (36:13):
Well, yeah, it's all about honor yeah, it's, it's
incredible yeah it's incredible.
Josh (36:18):
So, um, yeah, I'm learning about, you know, and zen, like
zen, that's japanese, so youknow learning about that a
little bit too, along withbuddhism, confucianism.
It it's a lot of fun, and allof this to say that it really
(36:38):
intrigues me, you know, like I'mpretty sure in a past life I
must have been in some way,shape or form, in that kind of
situation.
Yeah, yeah, because it's tooclose to home for me to think
you know like why.
Lisa (36:56):
That it's just random or something.
Josh (36:57):
Yeah that, it's just random.
Yeah so so for sure, you know,I must've been a monk in my
previous life, or something.
Lisa (37:03):
Josh the monk.
Yeah, all right.
So, josh, now we're going to doour flashback debate.
Okay, are you ready for this?
We're going to dredge up an oldmemory and we're going to ask
you, the audience, to let usknow who you believe.
Side with me, side with me.
Josh (37:26):
That just shows you're guilty.
Lisa (37:28):
Shut up, okay.
Okay, so we're each gonna have20 seconds to give our side of
the story.
Okay, you first me.
First.
Josh went out when he wasn'tsupposed to go out.
(37:48):
It doesn't matter what he wasdoing or who he was doing it
with.
Mom said he was not allowed todo it and he went and he did it.
Mom caught him.
He blames me, says that I wasthe snitch.
Okay, I was not the snitch.
He just doesn't know how tofucking lie, okay.
(38:09):
Okay.
Josh (38:10):
Go okay, okay, go.
Literally walked across thestreet to get a super nintendo
game, came back into my house toplay this said super nintendo
game and then parents got home Iwas already in bed.
Mom comes up to me, wakes me upand says where is the game?
(38:33):
And I'm like what, what are youtalking about?
And I just see Lisa in thebackground.
She's like I just couldn't.
I had to tell her.
I had to tell her, josh, and Iwas like come on, what a rat.
Completely ratted out herbrother yeah, yeah, yeah, I
never said that, and now so thepoint of the story is is that I
(38:58):
exited the house where we had notechnology, so there's no way
that the parents you know saw acamera or something you know
well, it's the 90s.
Of course we didn't havetechnology and, and you know, I
was just sleeping minding my ownbusiness, and boom, my parents
came home and right away it waswhere's the game?
(39:19):
And I was grounded.
Lisa (39:21):
And here's the thing.
Okay, mom, and you cannot denythis, mom has this otherworldly,
otherworldly like sixth sense.
She can look at you with theeyes and just know when you're
lying.
Okay, I actually did tell her.
(39:51):
No, he didn't leave and all shedid was look at me, went in
your room, asked you and youcopped to it if you had stuck to
your story, we would not behaving this conversation.
Josh (40:00):
No way.
Lisa (40:01):
And I swear to God she knows things.
Josh (40:03):
All this to say is that I would not rob a bank with my
sister because I would probablygo to jail 19,.
Lisa (40:09):
What was it?
What year is this?
What year?
94?
, 94?
, 93?
, like fucking 30 years later,you know.
Josh (40:21):
So who's right?
Lisa (40:22):
And by the way this story still comes up, at Christmas, of
course, every fucking year.
Josh (40:26):
Of course.
So who's right?
Lisa the snitch or Josh theconspiracy theorist, apparently?
Lisa (40:34):
I take offense to that name.
Oh, my goodness you are aterrible liar, my friend oh yeah
, okay, okay.
Okay, okay.
So let's do a little popculture rewind to end this
episode.
Okay, little pop culture rewindto end this episode.
Okay, 1989.
(40:57):
Paul Abdul had a number onesong Cold Hearted.
Do you remember Paul Abdul?
Josh (41:02):
Kinda from freaking American Idol.
Lisa (41:06):
I know right Movie was Parenthood with Steve Martin.
Game Boy was released that year?
Oh, no way.
The debut of the Simpsons.
Oh damn 1989, my friendWindbreakers.
Oh shit, Do you remember whereyou were in 1989?
(41:28):
How old were you?
Five?
Josh (41:31):
I don't remember shit.
Lisa (41:34):
That was the year that we went to Cuba.
Do you remember that?
Josh (41:40):
Cuba.
I mean, I remember the picturesof me like on the horse.
Lisa (41:44):
Oh, that's so sad that, like your memories, you don't
actually have the memories.
No, like if you were nevershown a picture, you don't
actually have the memories.
Josh (41:53):
No, like if you were never shown a picture you would never
know.
I do remember picking up a logand having these prickly things
all over my hand and some personstarted taking off the prickly
things off me and then they wereon him.
Lisa (42:08):
Oh.
Josh (42:09):
I remember that.
Lisa (42:10):
In Cuba.
I think it was Cuba Wow wowmaybe it wasn't cuba do you
remember the little puppies?
Josh (42:17):
oh my god, yes, yeah, the little babies.
Yeah, yeah, I do remember that.
Lisa (42:22):
And the chef is the only dog that I ever petted the
little puppies yeah, I rememberthat oh man, those were the good
old days.
I don't remember too much interms of pop culture, like
obviously I know who Paula Abdulis and stuff and I know
Parenthood, the movie now, butat the time we didn't like
(42:43):
really listen or watch thatstuff but like tie, dye, jeans,
you know the high, like the highhair, all that stuff like I
remember I got my first permaround like yeah, 89, 89, 90
around there.
It was horrible.
(43:03):
I don't know what I wanted what, what mom was thinking letting
me have a perm, but anyway, andthat's how you turn childhood
dysfunction into YouTube content.
If you related to any of this,congratulations.
You've survived the 90s too.
Josh (43:21):
Follow or subscribe for weekly nostalgic chaos.
Seriously, if you are alreadyspiraling about your childhood,
you might as well commit.
Don't stop here.
Lisa (43:29):
Cue up another episode and relive more memories you didn't
know you were repressing yourchildhood.
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Cue up another episode andrelive more memories you didn't
know you were repressing.
Quick question Do you and your sibling actually remember
the same childhood?
Because Josh and I havecompletely different versions of
everything.
Josh (00:10):
Especially the parts where I'm clearly the innocent one,
and Lisa's rewriting historylike she's publishing a memoir.
Lisa (00:18):
Give me a break.
Today we're diving into thelies, the legends and the
totally false confidence we allhave in our own memories.
Josh (00:28):
We are unpacking everything from photo albums
versus phone pics to the greatsnitching incident of 94.
Lisa (00:37):
Plus, we'll be rewinding to September 1989, when Paul
Abdul was number one and Joshstill thought he was mom's
favorite.
Josh (00:47):
And a real listener letter about sibling memory wars.
That hits way too close to home.
Lisa (00:54):
Memory is a scam and you're about to get exposed.
Let's go, josh.
(01:14):
Did photo albums make memoriesmore real than phone pics?
Do you even have photo albums?
Josh (01:23):
No, I do not have photo albums Zero.
Lisa (01:28):
Not even one.
Josh (01:29):
Not even one.
Lisa (01:30):
Wow, okay, so I think I know who's what side you're
going to take.
Josh (01:37):
Well, I mean, everything is phone pics and you know,
through Apple you can orderthose nice photos.
Lisa (01:45):
Yes, like the photo books and stuff.
Josh (01:46):
Yeah.
So, like you know I have, likeI might have like.
Yeah, I have two photo bookslike that I got as gifts with
one of Jet, one of Fallon, butnot like, if you're talking
photo albums, like you take thephoto and you put it in.
No, no, no, no.
Lisa (02:05):
No, no, no.
In photo albums, like you takethe photo and you put it in no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, thoselike those feel very like
tangible you know what I meanlike the memories feel more real
when it's it, when it's likeyou're holding it does that make
sense.
I don't know why, but like I'm a, I'm a scrapbooker.
I don't want to say I do it allthe time.
Usually once a year I'll justkind of catch up or something
(02:28):
and do a year's worth ofscrapbooking and it's definitely
turned.
It started with the paperscrapbooking the legit old
school way, and now it's moredigital where I can create a
scrapbooking effect and thenprint it out on like a, an
actual film, like I don't knowwhat.
(02:49):
Would you call it like film?
yeah, I guess, I guess whateverbut I still have like tons of
pictures yeah, I don't know, Ithink it's, you know the it's.
Josh (03:03):
It's like my audiobooks, like I prefer audio books over
like the real thing.
But now I've been kind ofdabbling with the real thing,
like now I want to hold the book.
So you know, I I relate it tothat a little bit.
I guess you know you're youwant to hold the photo, you want
to.
You know, it feels maybe morereal to you versus probably some
(03:24):
people.
You know the photos, I, I don'teven.
I think it's never been a thingfor me.
That's why I think we look atphotos differently, period oh
for sure, of course, of courselike I'm the guy that you know,
I always got flack for this.
Um, I don't know if it's a guything or if it's a Josh thing,
(03:47):
but like I'll go to an event andit's like a super great moment.
But like I'll never pull out myphone because, like I'm in the
moment, so like I'm likeenjoying, like watching, uh, you
know, and it's like you didn'ttake a photo and I I'm like, oh
shit, no, you know.
So like I'm very much like inthe moment, so to speak, to be
(04:09):
able to have my brain be like oh, this is going to be a great
moment.
I should like take a photo ofthis.
Yeah.
I can't Like my mind can't likefathom that.
It has to be in the moment.
Lisa (04:23):
Interesting.
Can't like fathom that.
It has to be in the moment.
Interesting, see, but I wonder,is that something that you have
because we didn't grow up likethat, like we didn't have a lot
of pictures growing up?
Right think about it like.
I mean, there's not even likedigital evidence now of like old
pictures of us like we.
(04:44):
We have very few, like I think.
Josh (04:47):
Do you mean like our era, or do you mean us personally?
Lisa (04:49):
Us personally.
Oh, okay, like I mean yes.
Josh (04:52):
Well, you do the photos, don't you?
Lisa (04:56):
Yeah, there's a lot of like old school, like I went
through mom and dad's like stashand they have the old school
like things that you put in,like the projector slides, the
projector slides of like or likeyou know, early eighties, and
(05:17):
it's just like you have to holdit up to the to the light to see
what the fuck it even is, andlike it's ridiculous, right.
And and I tried at one point,like in the last, I'll say,
decade, to like take a bunch ofthose and actually get them
printed out like, or a digitalcopy of them, and like the
process is like ridiculous.
(05:38):
You know so, but the thing is islike if you back then you only
had the physical pictures, right, so you had, or the negatives,
right, but like who kept thefucking negatives?
Like I hated the negatives,chuck them, you know.
Now I'm like, wow, that wasreally stupid.
But like you only had thepicture and so like, if you lost
(06:01):
it, or like we lost a lot ofstuff, like in the 80s flood
when we had to like get rid of alot of things, like a lot of
our pictures got ruined andstuff like that Like they're
done.
Josh (06:12):
There was a flood, you had a flood.
Lisa (06:13):
Yeah, you were still really young.
But like it was, like you, it'sruined, it's done.
You don't have a digital copy,you don't have extra copies of
this picture laying around, soin that respect it's kind of
like yeah, for sure.
You know.
So I like that aspect of likeit's always digital and like I
(06:35):
have it no matter where I go.
I you know I have.
I can have it on my phone.
I've saved it on the hard drive, like we have evidence that
we've lived through these things.
Josh (06:44):
Yeah, I think that's why iPhone is so successful.
Lisa (06:48):
You know like because iPhone, specifically, or any
phone, well I, this isn't anyphone.
Josh (06:52):
Yeah, any phone.
But like I feel like iPhone waskind of like the like you know
we're, we're going to be, we'regoing to be a part of your
memories, you know kind of thing, and it's like iPhone, apple
photos, you know all of that.
Lisa (07:08):
Yeah, the iCloud, all of it, yeah.
Josh (07:10):
Yeah, like, and you're right, you know that is
something that's kind of cool.
Is that like you have all ofthat stuff?
Yeah, saved.
Lisa (07:19):
Yep, and like I mean now, like I mean I even have Amazon
photos.
Like I mean now, like I mean, Ieven have.
Amazon photos Me too.
Right, and it's awesome becauseyou can like.
Josh (07:26):
It's unlimited and it's free.
Lisa (07:28):
Exactly For pictures.
For pictures, Not for videosunfortunately, but it's like I
love that, because then I couldbe like oh okay, so I was this
age.
Like sometimes you rememberthings like, oh, I was, I was,
you know, it was New Year's of99, whatever right.
(07:49):
Or New Year's of 2010.
And I can go back to the album,the 2010 album, and find what I
need to, whereas, like, if youhave only physical photos,
imagine like, unless you'resuper duper, like into Like
albums 1999, 2000, 2001.
And all of your pictures arelike in order by sequence, like
(08:10):
come on, I'm sure there's peoplethat do that.
Josh (08:15):
But that to me is like Well, that's a lot of work.
Lisa (08:17):
It is a lot of work.
I wouldn't want to do that allthe time, so anyways.
So I think what you're digitaland I'm half half.
I'm going to say half half.
Josh (08:31):
Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely digital.
Lisa (08:33):
I like memories to be pretty, so the scrapbooking part
of it is, and the physical partof it that that satisfies my
creative, my creative juices, soto speak.
All right, so I think thatwraps up our 90s mystery
question photo albums.
All right, let's move on tothis or that.
Josh (08:57):
Yes.
Lisa (08:58):
You ready.
Josh (08:59):
I'm ready.
Lisa (09:00):
Okay, the first one Nintendo versus Sega.
Oh boy, so we're talking backin the day though one Nintendo
versus Sega.
Josh (09:05):
Oh boy, so we're talking back in the day though.
Lisa (09:08):
Oh yeah, these are all back in the day, this or that
back in the day.
Josh (09:12):
Okay, so in that case, sega.
If you asked me now, it wouldbe Nintendo, but back then I was
in awe about Sega because Ididn't have it as much.
I had the Super Nintendo.
I had you know, but Sega was,like, you know, sonic and
everyone was so into it and sothat was something that always
(09:35):
interested me.
So, like this or that back inthe day, sega okay, for me it
was Nintendo, love Nintendo.
Troll dolls versus beaniebabies.
Lisa (09:48):
So, okay, I remember troll dolls more in my, like high
school days.
We used to keep them in ourlocker for good luck.
I don't know we were weird, butbeanie babies like I remember
that a lot Like mom used tocollect them.
Remember when they used to havethem as like McDonald's toys.
Josh (10:04):
Yes.
Lisa (10:05):
She'd have garbage bags full of them.
Josh (10:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Lisa (10:08):
Yeah.
So I'm going to say BeanieBabies, what?
Josh (10:11):
about you.
Lisa (10:13):
If you had to.
I know you probably don't givea shit.
Josh (10:16):
Probably Troll Dolls.
Lisa (10:18):
Yeah.
Josh (10:19):
Yeah, I think so yeah.
Lisa (10:21):
Okay, saved by the Bell or Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
Josh (10:25):
Fresh Prince because I never even watched Saved by the
Bell, oh, or Fresh Prince ofBel-Air.
Lisa (10:28):
Fresh Prince because I never even watched Saved by the
Bell.
Oh no, I just I didn't clickwith it.
I watched it a few times,Didn't click with it as much.
Fresh Prince every weekend.
Josh (10:35):
Yeah, Fresh Prince, that was the best All the time.
Lisa (10:44):
Fm radio countdowns or Napster playlists Gosh Napster
yeah, I figured you would saythat.
For me, though, my like peakwas more FM radio countdowns.
I would sit there with acassette player and wait for my
song to come on to record it.
Yeah, that's how we had torecord stuff.
(11:07):
Yes, every recording I hadalways included a clip of like
the radio host at the beginningor the end, and I always fucking
hated when they wouldn't let asong finish you know, oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah don't you know?
Josh (11:25):
we're trying to record here it's true uh, dunkaroos
versus gushers of dunkarooshands down my favorite, the, the
treat I could never get.
I know right we weren't, weweren't allowed to have that
stuff no, I would trade my foodand stuff to get one of the
dunkaroos from people yep, youknow what else was really good
(11:47):
Lunchables.
Oh yeah, but we never got thoseeither.
Lisa (11:51):
Mom was like well, just cut up some cheese and crackers.
Josh (11:53):
And I think we're like no, it's not the same.
I remember, though she used to.
She cracked a few times.
Remember those?
It was like a little pizza andyou'd put the little sauce and
then you put the little cheesewith like two pepperonis.
Lisa (12:08):
Never, not with me.
Josh (12:09):
That was a good one, so I guess we know who's mom's
favorite.
Well, I already knew thatSaturday morning cartoons or
TGIF.
Lisa (12:21):
Oh, tgif hands down.
Josh (12:22):
Yeah, same, yeah, absolutely.
Lisa (12:25):
Like I'm trying to remember if we even did Saturday
morning cartoons.
Josh (12:29):
I mean I did, but it wasn't like a thing like we, it
was just kind of like yeah, youknow.
Lisa (12:36):
Yeah.
Josh (12:37):
I'd be watching Dragon Ball Z or whatever.
Lisa (12:40):
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was a big thing, yeah
Two.
Josh (12:43):
Yeah, I mean, we are seven years apart, six, six years
apart.
So like in the scenario of likewatching cartoons together, you
know, probably not really.
Lisa (12:52):
Not really, but we did only have the one TV, josh, yeah
.
Josh (12:55):
TGIF, though, was a thing.
Yes, for sure.
Lisa (12:58):
Yeah, walkman versus Discman.
Josh (13:02):
I mean, I remember having a yellow Walkman which was
probably yours at once upon atime or something it was.
I'm remembering it right now soI remember having snow as one
of my, one of my um cassettes,really that was a cassette, it
wasn't a cd no, it was acassette fuck.
Lisa (13:21):
So that was, um, that was when we lived on Mizunov, um, so
, like, I guess I'm gonna saycassette yeah same well, I feel,
I just feel like that, like Imean, I had a discman too at one
point later on, but walkman,like was just epic, and like
(13:43):
listening to a song over andover again and like rewind,
rewind yeah, oh yeah yeah, lovethat oh my gosh I.
I don't love it, but I miss it.
You know what I mean yeah whenI think about those times, I'm
just like oh those were the goodold days watch, I bet you they.
Josh (13:59):
They make a comeback with a fancy cassette player and then
people can do cassettes again.
Look how, how the vinyls.
Look at the vinyl things thatare coming out now to do the big
records?
yeah, but I think becoming moreand more popular yes, those were
always there, but it was aniche like those never went away
(14:19):
no, but it was a niche, but nowcassettes went away yeah, but
like now, the companies havelike these fancy ones like
recorders you know like to, toput the you can buy like, uh,
like some of our podcastequipment.
They sell disc record yeah,yeah.
Lisa (14:38):
Interesting, yeah, interesting DJs.
Josh (14:42):
DJs use them a lot.
Oh well, yeah of course, andthey're fancy ones.
Lisa (14:45):
Yes.
Josh (14:46):
They're all like made out of aluminum, and you know so.
Lisa (14:49):
Yeah.
Josh (14:52):
Slap bracelets versus friendship bracelets.
Lisa (14:56):
I remember slap bracelets more than friendship bracelets.
Josh (15:00):
Me too.
Yeah, slap bracelets all theway.
Lisa (15:02):
Yeah, and in the last few years one of the kids went to a
birthday party and in theirfavor bag it was a slide.
I was just like I went throughdown this like a little rabbit
hole of like my youth, I lovethese things.
The kids were looking at melike okay, you're a little weird
(15:22):
.
Nickelodeon versus DisneyChannel?
If I remember correctly, wedidn't have Nickelodeon.
Was a Nickelodeon like its ownchannel on cable.
Josh (15:36):
I think some was mixed in with like YTV and stuff.
No yeah, but I feel like I'mpretty sure it was mixed in.
But I don't even rememberanything from Disney Channel.
I don't even remember there wasa Disney Channel.
Lisa (15:50):
No, no, no yeah.
Josh (15:53):
So I'm going to say Nickelodeon, I guess, because
that was stuff like.
I remember watching some showswhere Nickelodeon yeah, it's
like the Rugrats.
Yeah, yeah, so.
I remember stuff like that, butDisney-wise.
Lisa (16:10):
See, I remember like Fraggle Rock was a Disney one,
wasn't it?
Like I know, it's a Jim Hensonshow.
I would think it was Disney,but anyways, regardless, you
don't remember Fraggle Rock?
Oh no.
It's definitely the 80s, butI'm going to say Disney Channel.
(16:30):
Okay.
Because for me again, I think itgoes back to the age difference
.
By the time, like Nickelodeonlike was a thing, I was older
and like kind of past that shit.
But I remember like everySunday night after dinner,
before bed, we sat and watchedthe Disney movie at six oh my
(16:55):
god do you know what I mean?
Josh (16:56):
yeah, but you know, I just hit me.
You know what cartoon Iabsolutely love the little
freaking ducks, the kids oh, ohyeah, yes Duck, yes DuckTales.
Ducktales yeah, that's Disney,no.
Lisa (17:12):
Yeah, it's DuckTales, because it's Donald Duck.
Josh (17:17):
Yeah, right, donald Duck is Disney, right?
Yeah, do they have that onDisney Plus?
Lisa (17:21):
Yeah, no, they have it.
Yes, they do Because the kidswatch it.
Josh (17:26):
The DuckTales that was.
I loved that show so much.
The adventures, yeah, theadventures and everything.
Oh, that was the best.
Um, are you afraid of the darkversus goosebumps?
Lisa (17:39):
I'm gonna say goosebumps same hands down and like, did
you read the books?
Josh (17:44):
oh, you weren't really a big I read a little bit of the
books, yeah, but like you know,I had them.
Lisa (17:48):
I don't know if I read them but yeah, those were, those
were my favorite yeah, well, Ilove the show.
Josh (17:55):
Yeah, the show.
The goosebumps yeah, they, theyhad them on ytv sometimes.
And uh, yeah, after school okay, see, I didn't.
Lisa (18:05):
I wasn't so much into that .
It was definitely the books forme.
Josh (18:08):
No, it was awesome, but have you seen the recent
Goosebumps?
Shows.
No, they still do it.
Lisa (18:14):
They reinvented it a little.
Listen, watched it with Riley.
I was like this shit is good.
I know they're probablymarketing towards kids,
obviously, or tweens, teens, butI was like this is pretty good.
Josh (18:30):
Damn.
Yeah, I didn't even know theyremade or they started making
them again.
Lisa (18:34):
Neither did I, and then I just we happened to come across
actually I think Riley mentionedit I was like oh, goosebumps.
I was like huh, because we gotthem all the books.
Josh (18:43):
I used to love the fancy books, like because Goosebumps
was always prickly there on thebook.
I think that's why I boughtthem.
I don't think it was to readthem.
Lisa (18:54):
You're so funny, that's hilarious.
Okay, so now we're going totake it to our Dear.
Whatever letter.
Okay are you ready.
Do you want to read our firstletter?
Josh (19:08):
Sure.
Lisa (19:09):
Go for it.
Josh (19:10):
Dear sibling.
Whatever.
My brother and I have totallydifferent memories of our
parents' divorce.
He remembers it as peaceful andmature.
I remember it as a screamingmatch and moving into grandma's
house with nothing but a trashbag of clothes.
Now, as adults, he says I'mmaking it more dramatic than it
(19:33):
was and I say he's ignoring thetrauma.
It's causing real tension,especially around family
holidays or when our kids askquestions.
How do you navigate conflictingchildhood memories without
discrediting each other orrewriting the past?
Oh.
Holy shit, are we freakingtherapists now?
Lisa (19:55):
No, not in the least.
Okay.
But we're going to try to giveour opinions at least.
All right.
Try to help.
So I'm feeling the feels.
Try to help.
So I'm feeling the feels.
I feel very like, sad for this,for this person.
Hmm.
(20:18):
That could be very traumatic.
I'm trying to think ofsomething that, like I'm sure
there are things that we bothlive through, so like there's
the event and then there's yourperception and my perception,
and like what we each take awayfrom it.
Right, and it's so funny.
(20:39):
There have been times over theyears where, like, we'll be
discussing something from thepast, whatever it is, and I'll
look at you and I'll be be likehow the hell did you get that
from that?
Josh (20:52):
do you know what I mean?
Lisa (20:54):
it's just like, did we even grow up in the same house?
Like what, it's so funny howthat happens I don't know why.
Josh (21:03):
Well, it's like that it's because the perception is
different.
Also, like this question alsodepends on the age difference.
Are they the same age?
Are they not the same age?
Lisa (21:14):
Yeah.
Josh (21:15):
Because that can impact the perception Right.
Lisa (21:19):
Yeah.
Josh (21:20):
I think regardless, though I think that I always hated
that little comment, you know, Ithink you're making it more
dramatic than it was.
Lisa (21:31):
Oh yes.
Josh (21:32):
So I feel like I guess you know, I understand that it's a
sibling and obviously we careabout our siblings, but for me,
you know, you can't, you know,take it to heart what they feel
and their perception of whathappened or control it Exactly.
(21:55):
So then it is what it is, youknow, and whatever they say to
you about how you should feel orshouldn't feel, I mean you know
, that I take with a grain ofsalt.
Lisa (22:04):
Yeah, I think this day and age we should stop telling
people how to feel, or stoptelling them that their feelings
are not valid.
Like enough already.
Josh (22:15):
Yeah, I think we're all guilty of doing that at some
point.
Lisa (22:18):
Absolutely, absolutely we are, but yeah, but let's take a
step back and start like it's.
We don't have to agree onthings for me to appreciate the
fact that you can feel how youfeel.
And I'm sure, I hope you feelthe same about me.
So it's kind of like I don'tknow I'm going to side with our,
(22:39):
our, our writer here.
Yeah.
If there is a side to take, youknow, but how, how would we?
What would we?
What kind of advice would weoffer?
Josh (22:54):
I guess I would say that it sounds, at least from the
letter, like this person is notexpressing to the brother how
it's making them feel.
And so I think you know, if Ihad to guess I could be totally
(23:16):
wrong.
But I guess my perception is,if I had to guess, the brother
is probably older.
And you know he's saying heremembers it as peaceful and
mature, blah, blah, blah.
And you know he's saying heremembers it as peaceful and
mature, blah, blah, blah.
And you know now, as adults,you know he says that, you know
you're making it more dramaticthan it was.
Lisa (23:38):
And it's causing tension.
Josh (23:40):
So I mean, you know, I don't know, I guess this is not
like a big deal for me.
So like, if this is causingtension, like if this is causing
tension, we've got problems.
You know, we've got problemsout there, like I mean, I mean
(24:02):
this can't be the only thingthere's got to be more to it.
Yeah, I, yeah.
I mean that wholeheartedly.
Of course I don't meandisrespect, I just mean, if this
is something that is, you know,having real tension towards
family holidays, you know, whenour kids ask questions or this
(24:24):
or that, I mean you know there's, there's gotta be a lot more
going on there.
Lisa (24:29):
I think so too.
Josh (24:31):
Um, and, and you know, maybe, like when the kids are
asking questions or you know,talk to your sibling and maybe
have like a setup or you knowsomething like okay, by the way,
like I understand, you know you, you think this way, I think
that way.
Like I understand, you know you, you think this way, I think
(24:51):
that way.
But if the kids are saying this, let's tell them, like what you
know, just some kind ofconnection so that you know
there's not this.
You say something and then theother, uh, the other sibling is
like no, that never happened, orwhatever, and yeah, and then it
just gets out of hand.
Lisa (25:05):
Right yeah.
And if this is in fact the onlything and we're wrong, there's
not more to it, then, like Imean, I'm going to just pull
something out of the old Lisahat, which is avoidance is key,
oh jeez.
You know what I mean, likemaybe just don't talk about it,
(25:25):
then you know yeah.
And when the kids bring it upsay you know what it's in the
past, we're going to keep it inthe past and leave it at that.
Yeah.
Like agree to disagree and moveon, because for the I mean
moving on.
Josh (25:45):
I think is important because I guess for me I can't
think that far in advance.
Yeah, I think about today, notlike, oh boy, next week we're
going to this thing and we'regoing to talk about.
Lisa (25:52):
Oh, my God Josh.
Josh (25:54):
Like I can't do that.
Lisa (25:56):
I'm the opposite.
I've planned three years inadvance.
Josh (26:00):
Well, I mean, it took a lot of time for me to be able to
do that, yeah, but you know,now it's a lot more peaceful.
So I think that that's part ofit.
It's about finding your peace,and the way you find your peace
is to not think about theseconversations and it's to just
kind of go with the flow.
And sibling happens to saysomething.
(26:20):
It's like you could look at ittwo different ways you can
bicker and argue about it, oryou can smile and say that's how
you feel Cool and move on.
Lisa (26:33):
All right, Well, disclaimer we are not therapists
.
But, this is our opinions.
Josh (26:39):
And good luck.
Mess up some people.
Lisa (26:44):
I hope not.
Please tune in again, josh.
I hope not.
Please tune in again, josh.
Do you remember mom or dad evertelling you or us something
terrifying, just to make usbehave?
Josh (27:01):
I feel like, yes, I remember, but it's just I don't
know if I have it in my head toremember, but yes, I remember
there was some like littleterrifying little like oh my
gosh, you know, kind of things.
Um, that weren't true, um, butyeah, no, I, I agree there's.
Lisa (27:24):
There's gotta be some out there.
But I'm going to just refreshyour memory.
And this will bring up a wholeflood of emotions.
I'm sure the wooden spoon Right.
So they didn't tell.
Well, they did tell us it wasdo I have to get the wooden
(27:47):
spoon?
That was the trigger.
Yeah.
Do you remember what you feltevery time you heard that, and
when did you stop caring, if youdid?
Josh (28:00):
I don't remember.
Lisa (28:02):
No.
Josh (28:04):
I don't remember.
I remember the wooden spoon,but I remember mom wooden spoon.
Lisa (28:08):
But I remember mom used to keep it very handy.
Yeah, oh shit, yeah, yeah, Iwas terrified of that.
I was terrified of that.
That brings up like that bringsup some shit for me, honestly.
(28:34):
Yeah, I think that's why I'm,I'm the good one, the listen you
know and be good like, do whatyou're told and like you know so
you're yeah right, but it couldalso be quite the opposite with
that in what way?
What do you mean?
Josh (28:48):
well, if you're saying like, you know threats or, or,
or you know usage of the woodenspoon, I mean that can go 50, 50
.
Yeah.
You have people where you hearit all the time where they're
like, you know, like, oh, Iturned out fine, you know, like,
because I was disciplined orwhatever.
And then you have others thatwere like little shits because
(29:09):
of that, you know.
So it's like a 50-50.
Lisa (29:12):
I guess.
So yeah.
So I ended up in the firstbatch, which is you know, and
for the longest time I did kindof like say exactly that, which
is well, like we got spanked andI turned out just fine, right.
And then you hit 40 and go downthis like childhood trauma
(29:39):
rabbit hole and you're like, ohwait a second, I'm actually not
fucking fine.
Yeah, well.
Does that have anything to dowith it?
No, maybe not.
Who knows?
But all I know is that when Ihad my first kid, the very first
thing that I thought of when Iwas thinking of parenting styles
was I'm not going to fuckinghit my kid, there's going to be
(30:03):
no wooden spoon in my house.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, so clearly.
It affected me enough that thatwas the very clearly the number
one thing that I was like neverhappening in my house, you know
.
Josh (30:19):
Yeah, I think.
I think, as time went on,things changed and evolved.
Things changed and evolved and,you know, we realized that
positive reinforcement was a bigfactor in learning.
Well, what do?
Lisa (30:36):
you learn when you're afraid all the time.
Josh (30:39):
Well, you learn to.
You know, not fuck up.
Lisa (30:42):
There you go Right.
Josh (30:44):
Right, but it's a different form of that.
Lisa (30:47):
Like you know, it's not the same thing, so so oh, yay,
so as we, I guess, uh, I guessI'm the one with all the trauma
and you can't remember shit well, that that could be.
Josh (31:01):
That could be trauma, in a nutshell, right there there you
go.
Lisa (31:05):
Actually, you're right, I shouldn't, I shouldn't, joke
about that I've always hadissues with past memories.
Josh (31:11):
For some reason okay but definitely this past year, I've
kind of developed this wholething of like the moment
tomorrow and the momentyesterday is over, like like you
died, you're done like theday's over.
It's like you died, you're doneLike the day's over, it's gone,
it doesn't exist anymore.
And so I've been trying it's sohard, but I've been trying to
(31:35):
kind of have that mindset sotomorrow doesn't exist yet
You're not born yesterday, youdied.
The only moment you have is thepresent, right now.
This is the only time you'realive, right, you know?
Lisa (31:51):
That's an amazing sorry, were you done or did you want to
?
Josh (31:54):
finish your thought.
No, go ahead.
Lisa (31:55):
That's amazing.
I love that thought processright.
Mm-hmm.
But where does learningsomething and growing something
fit in there?
Josh (32:09):
Because if tomorrow's dead no no, no, yesterday was dead.
Lisa (32:13):
Or whatever.
Sorry, yesterday is dead.
Josh (32:15):
Tomorrow.
You're just not born yet.
Lisa (32:16):
Okay, but if yesterday's dead and it's like it's done,
you can't think about it, youcan't change anything.
Where does like learning, likelearning lessons, learning from
your mistakes?
Where does that fit in?
Josh (32:30):
Well, it doesn't mean that you're not taking something
away.
Lisa (32:34):
Oh, okay, right Okay.
Josh (32:35):
It just means that you know yesterday is over, like
whatever happened that day,whatever is negative that people
bring in to the next day, soit's like holding on to things.
Yeah.
Lisa (32:50):
As opposed to learning something.
Josh (32:52):
Learning something is something completely different
and having goals doesn't meanthat you don't think about the
possibility of goals you know inthe future.
What it means is that you don'tthink about you know, I'm going
to be happy when I have this.
Or.
I'm going to be happy once Ihave X, y, z taken care of, or I
(33:12):
achieve this goal, or whatever.
Okay, so it's a lot morethinking of, just like the now
concept.
Lisa (33:21):
Okay, right, I understand.
Josh (33:22):
But you still have goals, you still learn.
It's like being born every day,but you have the knowledge of
what you learned the day before.
Lisa (33:31):
Right.
Josh (33:31):
Right, it just means that you don't carry over the burden.
Lisa (33:34):
Yeah, like you're not holding onto grudges, you're not
bringing in the negativeself-talk oh, yesterday was such
a bad day.
Josh (33:40):
Okay, how was?
How was your day?
Uh, how was your week?
Oh, yesterday was so bad.
You know, I had this happen tome and, oh, you know, and dah,
dah, dah, dah.
And now, all of a sudden,you're living the next day,
which has nothing to do withyesterday anymore, and all
you're thinking about is hownegative it was and how bad it
was, and you think that you'regoing to be productive that day
(34:03):
with that thought process.
yeah, right yeah so I guess theway I look at it is that it just
it's not logical to you reallyhave to be in tune then.
Well, it's hard Like truly itmust be, it's a process.
It must be, and I'm nowherenear perfected it, but I try.
Lisa (34:25):
Well, that's really.
Sometimes we have these likelittle tidbit conversations and
I'm like in awe of you sometimes, you know.
Josh (34:33):
No, I'm serious.
Why?
Lisa (34:34):
I'm just like I don't know , Because I guess maybe in some
way I still think of you as likemy little brother.
Josh (34:41):
I am.
Lisa (34:42):
You know what I mean.
Like the little brother, youknow that's annoying me all the
time and shit.
And I'm like oh man, heactually has like like really
fucking good thoughts and like agreat like perspective on
things.
And it's just it's nice.
Josh (34:57):
I think I owe it to you know the philosophies and
everything that I've been intoin the past year.
You know, yeah, yeah.
Wow.
Like now I'm getting intoJapanese philosophy.
Lisa (35:13):
Really.
Unbelievable Is that on is isTao.
Josh (35:18):
Taoism.
Lisa (35:19):
Taoism.
Is that Japanese or no?
Josh (35:21):
Oh, it's more Chinese.
Lisa (35:23):
Okay, um which?
Josh (35:25):
which, which I'm like that If I had to say something that
I am like, it's definitely that.
Lisa (35:31):
Taoism.
Josh (35:32):
Yeah, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know 100%.
And then there's just otherthings that like are just added
to it, that like complete thecircle, kind of thing.
That's so cool Right.
Lisa (35:43):
Yeah, so and yeah.
So what's Japanese?
Josh (35:45):
Oh, like Bushido, and you know just the way of the warrior
, oh, and just the.
You know the way they think andso on.
It's really incredible theirphilosophies.
They really are.
They're so honorable.
Lisa (36:00):
I know right.
Josh (36:01):
You know, like you ever hear those like on TV or movies.
You know where they like takethe sword and they like cut open
their.
You know, but it's like whenyou learn about why they do it.
Lisa (36:13):
Well, yeah, it's all about honor yeah, it's, it's
incredible yeah it's incredible.
Josh (36:18):
So, um, yeah, I'm learning about, you know, and zen, like
zen, that's japanese, so youknow learning about that a
little bit too, along withbuddhism, confucianism.
It it's a lot of fun, and allof this to say that it really
(36:38):
intrigues me, you know, like I'mpretty sure in a past life I
must have been in some way,shape or form, in that kind of
situation.
Yeah, yeah, because it's tooclose to home for me to think
you know like why.
Lisa (36:56):
That it's just random or something.
Josh (36:57):
Yeah that, it's just random.
Yeah so so for sure, you know,I must've been a monk in my
previous life, or something.
Lisa (37:03):
Josh the monk.
Yeah, all right.
So, josh, now we're going to doour flashback debate.
Okay, are you ready for this?
We're going to dredge up an oldmemory and we're going to ask
you, the audience, to let usknow who you believe.
Side with me, side with me.
Josh (37:26):
That just shows you're guilty.
Lisa (37:28):
Shut up, okay.
Okay, so we're each gonna have20 seconds to give our side of
the story.
Okay, you first me.
First.
Josh went out when he wasn'tsupposed to go out.
(37:48):
It doesn't matter what he wasdoing or who he was doing it
with.
Mom said he was not allowed todo it and he went and he did it.
Mom caught him.
He blames me, says that I wasthe snitch.
Okay, I was not the snitch.
He just doesn't know how tofucking lie, okay.
(38:09):
Okay.
Josh (38:10):
Go okay, okay, go.
Literally walked across thestreet to get a super nintendo
game, came back into my house toplay this said super nintendo
game and then parents got home Iwas already in bed.
Mom comes up to me, wakes me upand says where is the game?
(38:33):
And I'm like what, what are youtalking about?
And I just see Lisa in thebackground.
She's like I just couldn't.
I had to tell her.
I had to tell her, josh, and Iwas like come on, what a rat.
Completely ratted out herbrother yeah, yeah, yeah, I
never said that, and now so thepoint of the story is is that I
(38:58):
exited the house where we had notechnology, so there's no way
that the parents you know saw acamera or something you know
well, it's the 90s.
Of course we didn't havetechnology and, and you know, I
was just sleeping minding my ownbusiness, and boom, my parents
came home and right away it waswhere's the game?
(39:19):
And I was grounded.
Lisa (39:21):
And here's the thing.
Okay, mom, and you cannot denythis, mom has this otherworldly,
otherworldly like sixth sense.
She can look at you with theeyes and just know when you're
lying.
Okay, I actually did tell her.
(39:51):
No, he didn't leave and all shedid was look at me, went in
your room, asked you and youcopped to it if you had stuck to
your story, we would not behaving this conversation.
Josh (40:00):
No way.
Lisa (40:01):
And I swear to God she knows things.
Josh (40:03):
All this to say is that I would not rob a bank with my
sister because I would probablygo to jail 19,.
Lisa (40:09):
What was it?
What year is this?
What year?
94?
, 94?
, 93?
, like fucking 30 years later,you know.
Josh (40:21):
So who's right?
Lisa (40:22):
And by the way this story still comes up, at Christmas, of
course, every fucking year.
Josh (40:26):
Of course.
So who's right?
Lisa the snitch or Josh theconspiracy theorist, apparently?
Lisa (40:34):
I take offense to that name.
Oh, my goodness you are aterrible liar, my friend oh yeah
, okay, okay.
Okay, okay.
So let's do a little popculture rewind to end this
episode.
Okay, little pop culture rewindto end this episode.
Okay, 1989.
(40:57):
Paul Abdul had a number onesong Cold Hearted.
Do you remember Paul Abdul?
Josh (41:02):
Kinda from freaking American Idol.
Lisa (41:06):
I know right Movie was Parenthood with Steve Martin.
Game Boy was released that year?
Oh, no way.
The debut of the Simpsons.
Oh damn 1989, my friendWindbreakers.
Oh shit, Do you remember whereyou were in 1989?
(41:28):
How old were you?
Five?
Josh (41:31):
I don't remember shit.
Lisa (41:34):
That was the year that we went to Cuba.
Do you remember that?
Josh (41:40):
Cuba.
I mean, I remember the picturesof me like on the horse.
Lisa (41:44):
Oh, that's so sad that, like your memories, you don't
actually have the memories.
No, like if you were nevershown a picture, you don't
actually have the memories.
Josh (41:53):
No, like if you were never shown a picture you would never
know.
I do remember picking up a logand having these prickly things
all over my hand and some personstarted taking off the prickly
things off me and then they wereon him.
Lisa (42:08):
Oh.
Josh (42:09):
I remember that.
Lisa (42:10):
In Cuba.
I think it was Cuba Wow wowmaybe it wasn't cuba do you
remember the little puppies?
Josh (42:17):
oh my god, yes, yeah, the little babies.
Yeah, yeah, I do remember that.
Lisa (42:22):
And the chef is the only dog that I ever petted the
little puppies yeah, I rememberthat oh man, those were the good
old days.
I don't remember too much interms of pop culture, like
obviously I know who Paula Abdulis and stuff and I know
Parenthood, the movie now, butat the time we didn't like
(42:43):
really listen or watch thatstuff but like tie, dye, jeans,
you know the high, like the highhair, all that stuff like I
remember I got my first permaround like yeah, 89, 89, 90
around there.
It was horrible.
(43:03):
I don't know what I wanted what, what mom was thinking letting
me have a perm, but anyway, andthat's how you turn childhood
dysfunction into YouTube content.
If you related to any of this,congratulations.
You've survived the 90s too.
Josh (43:21):
Follow or subscribe for weekly nostalgic chaos.
Seriously, if you are alreadyspiraling about your childhood,
you might as well commit.
Don't stop here.
Lisa (43:29):
Cue up another episode and relive more memories you didn't
know you were repressing yourchildhood.
You might as well commit.
Don't stop here.
Cue up another episode andrelive more memories you didn't
know you were repressing.
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