January 23, 2025 • 17 mins
Ever thought about what life would be like if you swapped your sibling for a famous celebrity? That's exactly where we kick things off this week with our "Weekly What If?" segment, as Lisa opts for the charming Drew Barrymore, while Josh takes us back to the '90s with his playful choice of Vanilla Ice. Our banter unfolds into a nostalgic discussion of childhood music memories, like the days of wearing our pants backward in homage to Kris Kross. It's a delightful trip down memory lane that showcases the quirks of our sibling bond before we venture into weightier topics.
But it's not all fun and games; we shift gears to explore our upbringing in a Jehovah Witness household, sharing candid experiences that shaped our views on religion and personal autonomy. Our journey uncovers the complexities of faith and family dynamics, leading to thoughtful reflections on how early religious experiences influence our present beliefs. We also address the labyrinth of Canadian and Quebec politics, voicing frustrations with language laws and systemic issues, while stressing the importance of open dialogue and respecting individual choices. Join us as we navigate these intersections, weaving stories and insights that resonate deeply with our listeners.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, this is Brother, Sister.
Whatever, I'm Josh.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And I'm Lisa, and this is the podcast where we
talk about everything Fromfamily drama to the meaning of
life and everything in between.
So let's start.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Where are we headed on this show today?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's time for one of our favorite parts of the show,
josh, the Weekly what If?
Where we ask a totally random,silly, mind-boggling question
and let our imaginations runwild.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, so I got one.
What if you had to trade yoursibling for a famous celebrity?
Who would you pick?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Oh man, have I thought of this question over
the years, or what?
No, just kidding.
Because you're a boy, does thatmean I need to pick a boy to
replace you, or can I just pickany famous celebrity, like,
regardless of gender?
Like, are we matching gendersor are we just picking whatever?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
It's up to you.
I mean, I think we could, Idon't know.
That's a good question.
I this one's going to be veryhard for me.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
This one is super easy for me.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay so.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
If I had to trade you for a famous celebrity, I would
pick Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Oh my god, it is absolutely hilarious that you
say Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Were you going to pick Drew Barrymore?
Nope, oh, okay.
Why is it hilarious?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Because you are Drew Barrymore, so the fact that you
say that is hilarious.
It's the one actress thatalways reminded me of you.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Really.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yes, just her personality.
So I find it very hilariousthat the sibling you would pick
is Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Interesting?
I didn't know that.
Is Drew Barrymore Interesting?
I didn't know that.
Yeah, no, I love her.
I think she's so personable.
She's very touchy, feely, huggy, very like talk to me about
things and I love that.
Okay, so you must've come upwith something already.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
No, oh my gosh, I really this one's tough for me.
I'm just going to kind of saythe first thing that popped into
my mind, and I don't know why.
There's no you know reason forit, but I'm just going to say
the celebrity that popped intomy head.
Okay, what Vanilla Ice?
If I could trade you, I know itwould be Vanilla Ice.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I know why.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Why.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Come on, Josh.
That was like the firstmusician that you listened to
growing up.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I'd say, yeah, probably Vanilla Ice and Snow.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And Snow.
Yes, yeah, absolutely the twothat were on repeat over and
over and over again.
Yeah, if I had to listen toRunway one more time Lady with
the Red Dress.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Do you remember Criss Cross?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yes, I used to wear my yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I used to wear my pants backwards to school,
running away from the cops likethat wasn't easy.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Josh.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I don't know that story oh my gosh.
Okay.
So listen, that's the end ofour weekly what if?
Session.
We'll have another fun questionnext week.
Don't know what it is, butwe'll see.
We'll pick out of the hat.
But today we're going to diveinto something a little bit more
heavy Faith politics, religionand family and how that all fits
(03:13):
together.
Question for you becausethere's an age gap in terms of
timing in our life.
I'm curious what you rememberabout growing up and religion,
if you remember anything.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I remember Jehovah Witnesses.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I remember that I would always fall asleep at the,
at the congregations.
I remember the celebrationswere limited because being a
Jehovah Witness meant certainthings.
So I think like Christmas, likewe would do like a present, but
like we wouldn't label itChristmas.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
And we do it in November.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, you know birthdays.
I think we're a little bit likethat too.
That's kind of like what Iremember and what.
I'm really happy that for me,my perspective I'm very happy
that I went through that becauseI learned at a very young age
that it wasn't for me.
My perspective, I'm very happythat I went through that because
I learned at a very young agethat it wasn't for me.
I really don't mean that likein a in a negative way or
anything.
I just mean it more like um,because I had some really good.
(04:16):
You know, something that Iactually remember vividly was
having little meetings with oneof the Jehovah Witness, like I
don't know what they'remissionaries, whatever they're
called.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
But I remember I would have little meetings,
one-on-ones.
My mom would drop me off and wewould.
Mom would drop me off and Iwould have, like, these little
meetings, these little talks.
You know we'd have these talksabout God and this and that, you
know.
And for me I was alwaysquestioning.
It was always like, well then,why is this happening, or why
(04:49):
did that happen?
And there was always an answer.
Don't get me wrong.
No matter what I came up with,there was always an answer.
But I was really happy aboutthose events that I had, you
know, even though at the time Iwas very like, oh, I have to go
do this again, you know.
But now, like, I'm actuallyvery happy I had those.
(05:09):
Now, of course, looking back,it was definitely a highlight
into whether religion was for meor not.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Well, I remember my sixth birthday party was the
last birthday that we celebratedfor quite a few years.
So I think we were an infantwhen mom and dad, like, started
going to the kingdom hall.
I would say by the time Istarted high school they were
done with it.
But I just I have a differentperspective because I was a
(05:38):
little bit older.
I also didn't like it very muchand it was definitely.
It's funny that you bring upthat that even those the, the
experiences that you remember,like the memories that you have
of that time, some of the, someof the things that you, you went
through and experienced how itaffects your.
Look at religion now because Ivery much agree with that, based
(06:00):
on some of the things that I'vewitnessed and seen and
experienced in those few years,really made me kind of have a
sour taste in my mouth fororganized religion.
I was baptized a Mormon when Iwas 17, 18.
That lasted a couple of yearsand that was a different
(06:21):
experience too.
We had an aunt and an unclethat were Mormons and we used to
stay with them every summer, sowe would go to church with them
, just by default right.
Because we were there.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Again.
It's weird, Didn't enjoy itthen.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, but looking back on it, Enjoy it now.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Maybe I did enjoy it, you know, I just didn't want to
admit it.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
There's a lot of things about religion that are
great and there's a lot of like,I think, the sense of community
within the church, right, well,yeah, can be amazing.
So I think that's a great thingabout it.
You know, having that like,like mindedness and the things
in common that you can likerelate to the people around you,
(07:01):
that that whole sense ofcommunity.
But it's like the intricaciesthat I don't like, the
limitations that are set on you,and when you break a rule, as I
do, air quotations and then therepercussions of that within
that community can be veryisolating.
(07:23):
So it's funny how you can bewithin a community but then also
feel isolated at the same time.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
There's a lot of, a lot of.
I have a very complicatedrelationship personally with
religion.
I'm not for it, I'm not againstit.
All I know is right now I'm notinvolved in anything I do like
spirituality, feeling connectedto something bigger than you,
all of that stuff, right.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I mean, okay, here's a loaded question.
Then, since we're on this topicdo you believe in God?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
honestly, I don't know okay.
I feel like I should, becausefrom such a young age I was, I
was kind of taught that there'sa God, a heaven, a hell.
His son sacrificed his life forus to be forgiven, and but then,
like, if you look at all thedifferent religions, there's the
basics, the foundations, whichare pretty standard across the
(08:15):
board, right, for the most part.
Again, I'm not an expert onreligions but, having dabbled in
a few over my 40 plus years,fundamentals are pretty much
there, but then each religionhas its own micro, like little
things that make it thatreligion, and so it's those
things that I have the issuewith.
I don't.
(08:36):
I also don't believe thatreligion has the right to tell
me what to do with my body.
But you know, we're delvinginto like a whole bunch of other
things, which is probably notwhat we mean to be talking about
.
Needless to say, I have acomplicated relationship with
religion and I'm not practicinganything at the moment, and I'm
very happy about that.
I respect other people'schoices.
When it comes up at the dinnertable, it doesn't not religion
(09:01):
anyway.
Politics is a different storyand we'll touch on that in a
minute but you know, if it comesup in conversation with friends
, with you know extended family.
I give grace to people to havetheir own choices and to have
because I would want that formyself.
But I do know that there aresome people out there that are
very forceful with their choices.
(09:22):
Moving on to politics a littlePolitics is a big thing.
At the dinner table,specifically with dad.
Dad is definitely into thepolitics.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, I mean when it comes to the politics in general
.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I will be the first to say that I don't know too too
much about Canadian politics.
I do know that what's going onright now isn't working for a
lot of us.
The in-depth look at Canadianpolitics not really.
I'm not your gal to be talkingabout Quebec politics.
I know a little bit more aboutthose.
It makes me angry and thingsthat make me angry I want to
(09:57):
know about.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Do you mean like the French stuff?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
The language laws are ridiculous.
True, the health and educationsystems in Quebec.
We need to get going on thisstuff, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, in Quebec we need to get going on this stuff,
you know?
Yeah, Because I always wondered, you know, like, why is Quebec
the way Quebec is?
Why is it okay for them to dothis?
Like, what I didn't know is thereason why they have the rights
that they have is because inthe war they didn't want to help
and the English promised thatif they aided, that they could
keep their laws, their French,their language, their culture.
(10:32):
They could keep everything theway it was.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And so I didn't know this.
So it kind of made me say likeokay, so like now it's a matter
of, in the sense of the heritage, the culture.
You know, if I was brought upinto that culture and it was
like we were promised thesethings, I can see, maybe, why
they want to keep their, theirculture intact to a degree
(10:56):
absolutely but I think that it'sa little over the top.
When I have a poster, and godforbid that the English letters
font size are the same size asthe French ones, well, this,
this is a big no-no.
I'm getting a ticket.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
So these things, I think, are a little over the top
, because, especially someonelike me who doesn't know a lot
about the French culture, itmakes me not want to know about
the French culture, instead ofme saying it's a beautiful
language, and it's a beautifullanguage like I, and and it's a
beautiful culture, and this, andthat all I get is attacked, or
(11:35):
at least I feel attacked, eventhough they probably feel
attacked because my font size isthis big compared to the French
, and you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So I think that, yeah , there's a lot to kind of
unravel in that.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I have to say I will admit that when politics comes
up in any conversation, I getquite aggressive, but aggressive
in the in terms of shutting itdown mm-hmm like.
I just don't even want to hearabout it.
It gets me upset like in whatregard?
Just I think that when I speakto somebody and their view and I
(12:14):
know that the point of viewthat I have is not shared with
that person in regards topolitics, that I will it's like
I don't, I don't want to hear it.
Why go there and get annoyedwhen you could just not talk
about it?
I'm all about avoidance.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, I mean, I've never been that person either.
To be to be really like, Idon't even get into the
conversations about politics.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Right, but why?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I don't know, maybe it's a childhood thing.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
What do you mean?
It's a childhood thing.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Maybe because we never talked about it, Maybe
because you know, it was neverreally.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
But we never really Okay.
But, josh, we never reallytalked about anything really.
It was not like we haddiscussions at the table.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
No, I guess not About anything really Right.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
It was like the normal how's's your day, that
kind of thing like we were never.
It was never like sharingopinions.
We didn't grow up in that kindof an environment.
So maybe that's why we're bothkind of like a step away from
that kind of thing, because justto avoid yeah, maybe having
conflict maybe I don't thinkthere's any way to avoid it
(13:27):
other than shutting it down whenit comes up.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, I think that maybe we also have learned that,
no matter who is in charge, youknow, it's never good, in many
ways, you know.
I have to say, though, as anadult, probably been never worse
than it is lately with Trudeau.
Yeah, he's done some greatthings.
The opposition was primeminister didn't even touch it,
(13:52):
and vice versa.
So there is some positivesthere.
But I think just myself as anentrepreneur and I'd say that I
definitely felt the difference,being in business for 20 years
and having him come in, you know, for almost a decade there's
definitely been a big change.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
That's where.
That's pretty much all I canreally say about it.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Let's go back for a second Growing up.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And not being able to celebrate holidays for that
chunk of change.
What holiday did you miss themost?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You know, I don't know what necessarily is wrong
with my brain, but I can'tremember certain things.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
So I have a very I don't know.
You know, I've noticed thisthat there's a lot of blanks.
Maybe I need like hypnotismtherapy or something to remember
stuff.
So, like that question, I drawa complete blank.
You know, I mean you were sixyears into your life when those
rules changed For me.
I was born into it, so for meit was normal.
(14:52):
So I don't as of right thissecond, I can't tell you that I
missed anything.
This is probably why I don'tremember birthdays.
This is probably why I don'teven remember holidays.
That's just me.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That is so funny Mom has said that actually that she
doesn't really put much stockinto actual holidays, you know,
like her birthday andChristmases and stuff like that.
I am the exact opposite.
I like every.
Like I mean every singleholiday, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I clearly feel like I missed out on something and I'm
trying to turn back time orlike catch up with all of these
things, but I mean, if you wantto talk about a holiday that I
celebrate the most, it'scompletely random.
It's a big day for a lot ofpeople, but it's Thanksgiving,
you know, and it was kind of oneof those things where I didn't
(15:38):
have a highlight holiday.
I have to say, though,especially now at this age, with
my kids, eight and six, I dofind that Christmas is becoming
more special, so I definitelywill add that in there.
But Thanksgiving is kind oflike my thing, and so that's the
day where you know I cookeverything, I brine the turkey,
(15:59):
I, you know I hunt the turkey.
You know like I everything fromscratch.
You know it's like that big day.
You know where we give thanks.
I don't know, you know, maybemaybe mom will hear this podcast
and be like.
You know why you think likethat?
Because something I don't knowor remember.
You know what I mean aboutThanksgiving or what we did.
I find it like a privilege forsomeone to be at my house at
(16:22):
that time, and it's like it'svery exclusive, you know,
exclusive party.
It's like squid game, you know,and like exclusive, you know
it's like.
It's like it's like squid game,you know, and like the, the,
you know the higher guys withthe with the golden mask there
it's like it's like that's like,you know we're not, we're not
killing people, but you knowit's like that.
You know it's like really like,you know, executive kind of
thing.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So that's how it makes me feel, you know, I feel
like we're.
We're up there, you know, andthis is like very special.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well listeners, how does your family handle
disagreements about religionpolitics?
Let us know your tips andstories and we might share them
in a future episode.
So that's it for today'sepisode of Brothers or Whatever.
Thanks for hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We'll catch you next time.
Same time, same place.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Take care Bye.
Hey, this is Brother, Sister.
Whatever, I'm Josh.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And I'm Lisa, and this is the podcast where we
talk about everything Fromfamily drama to the meaning of
life and everything in between.
So let's start.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Where are we headed on this show today?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's time for one of our favorite parts of the show,
josh, the Weekly what If?
Where we ask a totally random,silly, mind-boggling question
and let our imaginations runwild.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, so I got one.
What if you had to trade yoursibling for a famous celebrity?
Who would you pick?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Oh man, have I thought of this question over
the years, or what?
No, just kidding.
Because you're a boy, does thatmean I need to pick a boy to
replace you, or can I just pickany famous celebrity, like,
regardless of gender?
Like, are we matching gendersor are we just picking whatever?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
It's up to you.
I mean, I think we could, Idon't know.
That's a good question.
I this one's going to be veryhard for me.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
This one is super easy for me.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay so.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
If I had to trade you for a famous celebrity, I would
pick Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Oh my god, it is absolutely hilarious that you
say Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Were you going to pick Drew Barrymore?
Nope, oh, okay.
Why is it hilarious?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Because you are Drew Barrymore, so the fact that you
say that is hilarious.
It's the one actress thatalways reminded me of you.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Really.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yes, just her personality.
So I find it very hilariousthat the sibling you would pick
is Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Interesting?
I didn't know that.
Is Drew Barrymore Interesting?
I didn't know that.
Yeah, no, I love her.
I think she's so personable.
She's very touchy, feely, huggy, very like talk to me about
things and I love that.
Okay, so you must've come upwith something already.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
No, oh my gosh, I really this one's tough for me.
I'm just going to kind of saythe first thing that popped into
my mind, and I don't know why.
There's no you know reason forit, but I'm just going to say
the celebrity that popped intomy head.
Okay, what Vanilla Ice?
If I could trade you, I know itwould be Vanilla Ice.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I know why.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Why.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Come on, Josh.
That was like the firstmusician that you listened to
growing up.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I'd say, yeah, probably Vanilla Ice and Snow.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And Snow.
Yes, yeah, absolutely the twothat were on repeat over and
over and over again.
Yeah, if I had to listen toRunway one more time Lady with
the Red Dress.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Do you remember Criss Cross?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yes, I used to wear my yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I used to wear my pants backwards to school,
running away from the cops likethat wasn't easy.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Josh.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I don't know that story oh my gosh.
Okay.
So listen, that's the end ofour weekly what if?
Session.
We'll have another fun questionnext week.
Don't know what it is, butwe'll see.
We'll pick out of the hat.
But today we're going to diveinto something a little bit more
heavy Faith politics, religionand family and how that all fits
(03:13):
together.
Question for you becausethere's an age gap in terms of
timing in our life.
I'm curious what you rememberabout growing up and religion,
if you remember anything.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I remember Jehovah Witnesses.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I remember that I would always fall asleep at the,
at the congregations.
I remember the celebrationswere limited because being a
Jehovah Witness meant certainthings.
So I think like Christmas, likewe would do like a present, but
like we wouldn't label itChristmas.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
And we do it in November.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, you know birthdays.
I think we're a little bit likethat too.
That's kind of like what Iremember and what.
I'm really happy that for me,my perspective I'm very happy
that I went through that becauseI learned at a very young age
that it wasn't for me.
My perspective, I'm very happythat I went through that because
I learned at a very young agethat it wasn't for me.
I really don't mean that likein a in a negative way or
anything.
I just mean it more like um,because I had some really good.
(04:16):
You know, something that Iactually remember vividly was
having little meetings with oneof the Jehovah Witness, like I
don't know what they'remissionaries, whatever they're
called.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
But I remember I would have little meetings,
one-on-ones.
My mom would drop me off and wewould.
Mom would drop me off and Iwould have, like, these little
meetings, these little talks.
You know we'd have these talksabout God and this and that, you
know.
And for me I was alwaysquestioning.
It was always like, well then,why is this happening, or why
(04:49):
did that happen?
And there was always an answer.
Don't get me wrong.
No matter what I came up with,there was always an answer.
But I was really happy aboutthose events that I had, you
know, even though at the time Iwas very like, oh, I have to go
do this again, you know.
But now, like, I'm actuallyvery happy I had those.
(05:09):
Now, of course, looking back,it was definitely a highlight
into whether religion was for meor not.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Well, I remember my sixth birthday party was the
last birthday that we celebratedfor quite a few years.
So I think we were an infantwhen mom and dad, like, started
going to the kingdom hall.
I would say by the time Istarted high school they were
done with it.
But I just I have a differentperspective because I was a
(05:38):
little bit older.
I also didn't like it very muchand it was definitely.
It's funny that you bring upthat that even those the, the
experiences that you remember,like the memories that you have
of that time, some of the, someof the things that you, you went
through and experienced how itaffects your.
Look at religion now because Ivery much agree with that, based
(06:00):
on some of the things that I'vewitnessed and seen and
experienced in those few years,really made me kind of have a
sour taste in my mouth fororganized religion.
I was baptized a Mormon when Iwas 17, 18.
That lasted a couple of yearsand that was a different
(06:21):
experience too.
We had an aunt and an unclethat were Mormons and we used to
stay with them every summer, sowe would go to church with them
, just by default right.
Because we were there.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Again.
It's weird, Didn't enjoy itthen.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, but looking back on it, Enjoy it now.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Maybe I did enjoy it, you know, I just didn't want to
admit it.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
There's a lot of things about religion that are
great and there's a lot of like,I think, the sense of community
within the church, right, well,yeah, can be amazing.
So I think that's a great thingabout it.
You know, having that like,like mindedness and the things
in common that you can likerelate to the people around you,
(07:01):
that that whole sense ofcommunity.
But it's like the intricaciesthat I don't like, the
limitations that are set on you,and when you break a rule, as I
do, air quotations and then therepercussions of that within
that community can be veryisolating.
(07:23):
So it's funny how you can bewithin a community but then also
feel isolated at the same time.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
There's a lot of, a lot of.
I have a very complicatedrelationship personally with
religion.
I'm not for it, I'm not againstit.
All I know is right now I'm notinvolved in anything I do like
spirituality, feeling connectedto something bigger than you,
all of that stuff, right.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I mean, okay, here's a loaded question.
Then, since we're on this topicdo you believe in God?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
honestly, I don't know okay.
I feel like I should, becausefrom such a young age I was, I
was kind of taught that there'sa God, a heaven, a hell.
His son sacrificed his life forus to be forgiven, and but then,
like, if you look at all thedifferent religions, there's the
basics, the foundations, whichare pretty standard across the
(08:15):
board, right, for the most part.
Again, I'm not an expert onreligions but, having dabbled in
a few over my 40 plus years,fundamentals are pretty much
there, but then each religionhas its own micro, like little
things that make it thatreligion, and so it's those
things that I have the issuewith.
I don't.
(08:36):
I also don't believe thatreligion has the right to tell
me what to do with my body.
But you know, we're delvinginto like a whole bunch of other
things, which is probably notwhat we mean to be talking about
.
Needless to say, I have acomplicated relationship with
religion and I'm not practicinganything at the moment, and I'm
very happy about that.
I respect other people'schoices.
When it comes up at the dinnertable, it doesn't not religion
(09:01):
anyway.
Politics is a different storyand we'll touch on that in a
minute but you know, if it comesup in conversation with friends
, with you know extended family.
I give grace to people to havetheir own choices and to have
because I would want that formyself.
But I do know that there aresome people out there that are
very forceful with their choices.
(09:22):
Moving on to politics a littlePolitics is a big thing.
At the dinner table,specifically with dad.
Dad is definitely into thepolitics.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, I mean when it comes to the politics in general
.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I will be the first to say that I don't know too too
much about Canadian politics.
I do know that what's going onright now isn't working for a
lot of us.
The in-depth look at Canadianpolitics not really.
I'm not your gal to be talkingabout Quebec politics.
I know a little bit more aboutthose.
It makes me angry and thingsthat make me angry I want to
(09:57):
know about.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Do you mean like the French stuff?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
The language laws are ridiculous.
True, the health and educationsystems in Quebec.
We need to get going on thisstuff, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, in Quebec we need to get going on this stuff,
you know?
Yeah, Because I always wondered, you know, like, why is Quebec
the way Quebec is?
Why is it okay for them to dothis?
Like, what I didn't know is thereason why they have the rights
that they have is because inthe war they didn't want to help
and the English promised thatif they aided, that they could
keep their laws, their French,their language, their culture.
(10:32):
They could keep everything theway it was.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And so I didn't know this.
So it kind of made me say likeokay, so like now it's a matter
of, in the sense of the heritage, the culture.
You know, if I was brought upinto that culture and it was
like we were promised thesethings, I can see, maybe, why
they want to keep their, theirculture intact to a degree
(10:56):
absolutely but I think that it'sa little over the top.
When I have a poster, and godforbid that the English letters
font size are the same size asthe French ones, well, this,
this is a big no-no.
I'm getting a ticket.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
So these things, I think, are a little over the top
, because, especially someonelike me who doesn't know a lot
about the French culture, itmakes me not want to know about
the French culture, instead ofme saying it's a beautiful
language, and it's a beautifullanguage like I, and and it's a
beautiful culture, and this, andthat all I get is attacked, or
(11:35):
at least I feel attacked, eventhough they probably feel
attacked because my font size isthis big compared to the French
, and you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So I think that, yeah , there's a lot to kind of
unravel in that.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I have to say I will admit that when politics comes
up in any conversation, I getquite aggressive, but aggressive
in the in terms of shutting itdown mm-hmm like.
I just don't even want to hearabout it.
It gets me upset like in whatregard?
Just I think that when I speakto somebody and their view and I
(12:14):
know that the point of viewthat I have is not shared with
that person in regards topolitics, that I will it's like
I don't, I don't want to hear it.
Why go there and get annoyedwhen you could just not talk
about it?
I'm all about avoidance.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, I mean, I've never been that person either.
To be to be really like, Idon't even get into the
conversations about politics.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Right, but why?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I don't know, maybe it's a childhood thing.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
What do you mean?
It's a childhood thing.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Maybe because we never talked about it, Maybe
because you know, it was neverreally.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
But we never really Okay.
But, josh, we never reallytalked about anything really.
It was not like we haddiscussions at the table.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
No, I guess not About anything really Right.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
It was like the normal how's's your day, that
kind of thing like we were never.
It was never like sharingopinions.
We didn't grow up in that kindof an environment.
So maybe that's why we're bothkind of like a step away from
that kind of thing, because justto avoid yeah, maybe having
conflict maybe I don't thinkthere's any way to avoid it
(13:27):
other than shutting it down whenit comes up.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, I think that maybe we also have learned that,
no matter who is in charge, youknow, it's never good, in many
ways, you know.
I have to say, though, as anadult, probably been never worse
than it is lately with Trudeau.
Yeah, he's done some greatthings.
The opposition was primeminister didn't even touch it,
(13:52):
and vice versa.
So there is some positivesthere.
But I think just myself as anentrepreneur and I'd say that I
definitely felt the difference,being in business for 20 years
and having him come in, you know, for almost a decade there's
definitely been a big change.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
That's where.
That's pretty much all I canreally say about it.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Let's go back for a second Growing up.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And not being able to celebrate holidays for that
chunk of change.
What holiday did you miss themost?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You know, I don't know what necessarily is wrong
with my brain, but I can'tremember certain things.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
So I have a very I don't know.
You know, I've noticed thisthat there's a lot of blanks.
Maybe I need like hypnotismtherapy or something to remember
stuff.
So, like that question, I drawa complete blank.
You know, I mean you were sixyears into your life when those
rules changed For me.
I was born into it, so for meit was normal.
(14:52):
So I don't as of right thissecond, I can't tell you that I
missed anything.
This is probably why I don'tremember birthdays.
This is probably why I don'teven remember holidays.
That's just me.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That is so funny Mom has said that actually that she
doesn't really put much stockinto actual holidays, you know,
like her birthday andChristmases and stuff like that.
I am the exact opposite.
I like every.
Like I mean every singleholiday, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I clearly feel like I missed out on something and I'm
trying to turn back time orlike catch up with all of these
things, but I mean, if you wantto talk about a holiday that I
celebrate the most, it'scompletely random.
It's a big day for a lot ofpeople, but it's Thanksgiving,
you know, and it was kind of oneof those things where I didn't
(15:38):
have a highlight holiday.
I have to say, though,especially now at this age, with
my kids, eight and six, I dofind that Christmas is becoming
more special, so I definitelywill add that in there.
But Thanksgiving is kind oflike my thing, and so that's the
day where you know I cookeverything, I brine the turkey,
(15:59):
I, you know I hunt the turkey.
You know like I everything fromscratch.
You know it's like that big day.
You know where we give thanks.
I don't know, you know, maybemaybe mom will hear this podcast
and be like.
You know why you think likethat?
Because something I don't knowor remember.
You know what I mean aboutThanksgiving or what we did.
I find it like a privilege forsomeone to be at my house at
(16:22):
that time, and it's like it'svery exclusive, you know,
exclusive party.
It's like squid game, you know,and like exclusive, you know
it's like.
It's like it's like squid game,you know, and like the, the,
you know the higher guys withthe with the golden mask there
it's like it's like that's like,you know we're not, we're not
killing people, but you knowit's like that.
You know it's like really like,you know, executive kind of
thing.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So that's how it makes me feel, you know, I feel
like we're.
We're up there, you know, andthis is like very special.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well listeners, how does your family handle
disagreements about religionpolitics?
Let us know your tips andstories and we might share them
in a future episode.
So that's it for today'sepisode of Brothers or Whatever.
Thanks for hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We'll catch you next time.
Same time, same place.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Take care Bye.
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