March 13, 2025 • 20 mins
Are you truly an introvert, extrovert, or something else entirely? This captivating exploration of personality types ventures beyond simplistic labels to uncover the fluid nature of our social batteries and how they shape our interactions.
We journey through the fascinating spectrum of personality types, introducing listeners to ambiverts (balanced individuals with traits from both sides) and omniverts (those who dramatically shift between extremes depending on circumstances or company). The conversation reveals how our social tendencies evolve throughout our lives, with many reporting more extroverted behaviors in youth followed by an appreciation for solitude as they age.
Debunking persistent myths forms a cornerstone of our discussion, particularly challenging the stereotype that introverts make poor leaders. The evidence? Look no further than powerhouse introverts like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, and Michael Jordan—all revolutionaries in their respective fields despite their reserved tendencies.
One particularly thought-provoking segment explores a world where everyone wore visible meters displaying their current social battery level. How would this change our interactions? Would it foster greater empathy when someone seems withdrawn, rather than taking their behavior personally?
For parents and partners navigating relationships with different personality types, we offer practical insights on balancing needs and expectations. The key lies in understanding that differences in social energy aren't personal—they're simply part of what makes each of us unique.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Brother, sister, whatever where real talk
meets zero chill.
I'm Lisa.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And I'm Josh Subscribe so you don't miss the
chaos and let's dive in.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Are you the life of the party or the one making an
early exit?
Today, we're going to dive into what it means to be an
introvert, extrovert or ambivert, breaking down the stereotypes
and exploring how our socialbatteries really work.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
What do you think introvert?
Extrovert means Like?
What's your definition of it?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh, this is.
You know, I'm really not goodat this stuff.
So I think introvert means likeI'm more to myself.
Extrovert is like I'm more open, that's all I know.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, you're right, that's the overall picture of it
, but recently I discovered thatthere's actually like a middle
ground.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Which is an ambivert.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Or an omnivert, and I'll tell you what the
difference is between the two,because I obviously I looked
into this because I was veryinterested.
Ambivert is like a balancedmixed of both introvert and
extrovert.
Okay, okay, so kind of like inthe middle yeah and an omnivert
(01:20):
is somebody that can drasticallychange between the two.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Oh shit, okay, that would be me.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Like one would look at that person and be like.
That's a personality changecompletely.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's kind of how I am.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, because it depends on who I'm with.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
What would you call yourself?
An introvert or an extrovert?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
If I only had those choices, yeah, yourself an
introvert or an extrovert.
If I only had those choices,yeah, if I only had those
choices.
I think I've always consideredmyself introvert.
Okay, you know where.
I'm just kind of like more tomyself.
But I think people in mypersonal life might say yes, I
think people who see me on theoutside, I think they would be
(02:02):
like what?
Like no, josh is not introvertat all.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Have you always felt like you were an introvert?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Um no More when I, as I got older, Okay.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So when you were a kid, you were more like
extroverted.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So I want to see, like, what the actual like
traits were for each of these.
And introvert is somebody.
It's all about what makes youfeel energized inside, and so,
whether that's quiet solitudebeing alone makes you feel more
(02:43):
energized, or being aroundpeople, Makes you energized.
Makes you energized.
So it's all about the energylevel that determines which part
of the scale you're on.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Interesting Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I always thought that I was an introvert.
I had friends, I enjoyedspending time doing things, but
I really loved just being alonereading book or quiet, just
being in the quiet.
But now that I'm aware thatthere's an ambivert and an
(03:21):
omnivert, I could say in someways that I'm an ambivert.
I'm able to kind of have abalance between the two.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Also, don't you think that it has something to do
with who your circle is?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Who you're choosing to spend time with, yeah, and
what personality type they are,or just in general?
Just in general.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I mean because the way I look at it is like if
we're saying that this brings usjoy let's say, but also we're
saying like, oh yeah, being outor with people like this doesn't
interest me.
Could there also be an argumentthat it might also have to do
with the people we're hangingout with, because I have a
(04:09):
couple people where, when I'mwith them, it's like I could be
crazy.
You know, okay, I don't meancrazy like stupid, you know, I
just mean like crazy.
You know, like like laughing,fucking, like you know, on the
whole opposite spectrum of whatI would normally.
And then others it's like youknow I'm sitting down and it's
like yeah, yeah, sure you knowwhat I mean like it's like
(04:32):
completely the other side of thelike you could sit in silence
and watch something, or evenjust sit in silence sometimes
like have have that few minutes.
With people.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
With people, yeah, and just sit in silence?
Well, to me that would be anambivert.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Maybe, but it could be extreme right.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, so for you, you feel like it's more extreme.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Well, I think it's extreme, because I'll have
people say why are you so quiet?
You know like what's wrong, areyou okay?
I get like what's wrong, areyou okay?
I get that all what's wrong,are you okay?
So, depending on the personthat you're with, yeah, and then
with other people they're likedamn, they're like, I had no
idea you were so crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Okay, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And it depends on if it's something new or something
not new.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Like what.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Like, if I go to a new restaurant that I've never
been there before and I'm withhalf of the people I've never
met before, I'm automaticallygoing to be more introverted
Versus if I go with a group ofpeople that I'm used to, it's a
restaurant where, like, I knowthe waiters and whatever I might
(05:48):
be on the other spectrum, andif I'm with my kids, I'm always
in introvert mode, you know,because that's just how I am.
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So I know this is why it's yeah, but that's the thing
, like I wonder if everybodykind of experiences the full
spectrum.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And if that, even if it's not even so much as like a
global thing, but maybe likeokay with certain people or
certain times in their lives,like ages, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
That's it Like what if you're thinking of someone
and you're saying, oh no, thisperson is for sure introverted,
but then what if they're onlylike that with you?
So then what does that mean?
Are they introverted or arethey not introverted, Are they?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
meeting your vibe or are you meeting theirs?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Well, that's it.
And then what does that mean?
Is that ambivert where it's inbetween, where you kind of pick
up on the volume of where you'reat?
To not sound so confusing, Iwould say that as I'm getting
older, I'm noticing, like youknow.
I just want peace.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Mellow.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, like I go.
I went on a vacation recentlyand I think 99% of the time I
was relaxing Versus like let'syou know.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Go discover this part of the island.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, which I did, you know which I did, but I had
the most enjoyment when I wasjust kind of looking at the
ocean, chilling versus thatwould never be me when I was
younger.
I'd be like, hey, I want to dosomething, like I don't want to
just sit here, you know, andlike, look at the water, like
yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
It's just.
It's funny how circumstances,alcohol, the different kinds of
people that you ages, everythingjust changes the vibe that you
put out in terms of personalityand how you react to people and
what makes you happiest.
It's just interesting so nowwe're going to ask the weekly
(07:50):
what if question.
Ask the Weekly what If?
Question.
What if everyone had to wear avisible meter showing their
social battery level?
It's almost like a braceletthat says oh, I'm an introvert,
extrovert.
How would that change socialinteractions?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Whoa.
Well, I think it would changethings a lot.
Yeah, I think it would changethings a lot.
Yeah, I think it would.
I'm I'm kind of surprised,actually, now that I think of it
, that there isn't um, like, uh,like that doesn't exist on like
facebook, you know, likeintrovert, extrovert, or you
know like, think about it, it'strue.
You know like watch, watch,watch, it be created now
(08:31):
someone's listening to.
Yeah, I think it would changethings a little bit.
I mean, it's like anythingreally right, when you know more
than you normally would aboutthe stranger, you automatically
you know, like I don't know whatto say.
You know like.
So, for example, if I meetsomeone and I'm like, hey, how's
(08:52):
it going?
And oh, okay, your bracelet,you know, and it says you're
introvert, you know, and whenyou say like battery, do you
mean like it shows how muchenergy they have?
Like right now, like I'm atlike a 20%.
So it's like, oh, I'm not goingto talk to this person.
This person has no energy rightnow.
Yeah, maybe, you know, usuallyyou find that out in a few
(09:12):
moments after talking to theperson.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Right.
So that would kind ofpreemptively Like hey, my name's
.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Lisa, how are you?
Yeah, I'm good.
Thanks, it's like okay, theirbattery level is pretty low,
right, you know?
It might explain a few things,though Instead of maybe taking
it personal, you might say ohwell, okay, look, see the
battery level.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
That's a good.
That's a good point.
Didn't think of that.
I think there's assholeseverywhere, and so I don't think
.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I think we can all be an asshole a little bit.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, but I mean, I think there's assholes
everywhere in the sense thatthey don't give a shit about
your social battery level.
I want this or I need this, orwhatever.
They're coming with their ownstuff right For sure.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Now imagine if it showed a list of everyone's
boundaries.
There's a bracelet with all theboundaries there.
A digital you know pops up likethis, you know, and it's just
like, okay, these are all theboundaries there.
A digital you know pops up likethis, you know, and it's just
like, okay, these are all theboundaries.
Wow, imagine that.
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think there's some peoplethat would not respect the
boundary of the introvert.
(10:27):
Extrovert people would takeadvantage to a degree or or just
not bother with.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I would like to think that there would be a little
bit of compromise andunderstanding.
I think so.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I think there's people that are already like
that, just from you know, Ithink I'd like to think that I'm
one of them If I'm talking tosomeone and I see that they're
not feeling great or thatthey're depressed, or you know.
I mean depression can look likeso many things, but you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I would be one to be like oh, you know, I'm going to
maybe be quiet, just because youknow I care about how the other
people think.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, interesting Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I like that.
That's a good.
What if, though?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, okay.
So what is one of the biggestmyths about introverts?
That they're not leadershipmaterial.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Oh, really, is this a fact yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Based on the research that I did, that they lack
social skills.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Really.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, that they're unfriendly, that they don't have
fun, that they're unfriendly,that they don't have fun.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
That they're unfriendly.
Yeah, oh boy.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Did you know some of the more popular introverts in
the world?
Can you guess off the top ofyour head what you think?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Like we're talking like massive celebrities.
Celebrities or public figuresElon Musk 100%.
Definitely yes.
Bill Gates 100%.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yes, you got two out of three.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
And then Warren Buffett 100%.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Oh yeah, 100%, yeah, a hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
All famous introverts .
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
But look at what they've managed to accomplish.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
So not leadership material.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Not true.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Not true.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
No yeah, even though they all have very different
leadership styles.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Of course, okay.
So now what about extroverts?
When you think of an extrovert,you think life of a party,
right?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So, like you know, all those rock and rollers you
know, uh, the Beatles you know,and all those guys uh, like you
have to be some, you have tohave some form of of of
extroverting you to be able togo out and and do that every day
, like day in, day out.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
For sure, for sure.
Like Ariana Grande, a hundredpercent is an extrovert.
She has to be, she has to be.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Do you think that extroverts are always on?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
No, I don't think so.
I think there's.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I think everybody has to have a downtime.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
What do you think extroverts do for downtime?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I don't know, go like skydiving or something, I don't
know.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Well, think, about it like reading a book or taking a
walk, a solo walk, right.
Those are things that are notnecessarily only an introvert.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
True.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So ambiverts, do you think that they're the most
balanced personality type?
It's based on levels, right,social levels.
Yeah.
So if you looked at it fromthat perspective, would an
ambivert be the most balanced?
Or, technically, are all ofthem have their own balance in
(13:48):
their own way.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Way over my head.
Yeah, I guess, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
It's like a thought provoking thing, though, you
know.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
When was this word created?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
What Introvert.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, I know that sounds maybe funny, but like,
like, is this a new thing or isthis always been like our?
Our, our, our great greatgrandparents talked about
introvert and extrovert I don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I don't know when it was created.
You'll have to look it up onyour phone if you want to check
all right, let's find out 1921okay, so like 100 years yeah
yeah, so oh wow, introvertsfocused inward, gaining energy
from solitude.
Was there, like a doctor, aspecific doctor?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah.
Or it was popularized by CarlJung in his 1921 book
Psychological Times.
Jung's ideas were laterexpanded by Eysnick in the 1940s
yeah, Interesting.
And then the concepts becamemore mainstream in the mid-20th
century.
So the 1940s, yeah.
And then the concepts becamemore mainstream in the mid-20th
century.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So the, 50s.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Similar ideas existed in philosophy and psychology.
Ancient Greek physiciansproposed temperaments based on
bodily humors that looselycorresponded to introversion and
extroversion.
So while the specific termintrovert and extrovert became
widely recognized in the early20th century, the underlying
ideas have been around forcenturies in different forms.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
In different forms.
Well, there you go.
Okay, quickfire opinions.
Workplace stereotypes Areextroverts better leaders.
We've already discussed that.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I don't necessarily think that extroverts make
better leaders, you agree.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Dating and friendship .
Is it easier for extroverts toform connections?
Oh boy, I'm going to say no.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I think everybody forms connections in their own
way.
I don't think it's exclusive toextroverts.
Are people too quick to labelthemselves introverts or
extroverts?
I don't know if it's too quick.
I don't think it's too quick.
I think you know yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I don't even think about those terms.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Well, right.
So, it's not like you're goingthrough your day-to-day thing
saying I'm an introvert.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Right, you know like no yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
But you do know what kind of a personality style?
Well, you said it.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, I think I'm omni Okay.
Yeah, I think Okay.
Still confusing.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I know, I know Again, introvert, extrovert is very
clear and defined.
But then the omnivore and theambivore.
You're like, okay, but likewhat?
If I like this?
Like what does it put me?
You know, like.
I think maybe now we're puttingtoo much pressure on labeling
ourselves.
Personality tests Do you thinkthey're helpful or do you think
(16:46):
it's like pseudoscience?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I don't know A little bit here and there.
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I think that can be fun.
Certain ones obviously can befun.
I do find it helpful a littlebit.
I like knowing what makes metick.
Now I understand myself better,almost Okay, can you train
yourself to be more extrovertedor more introverted?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Probably.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
But what do you think would be easier, if you were an
extrovert, training yourself tobe more introverted, or if you
were an introvert, trainingyourself to be more extroverted?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I think it would be easier if you were an extrovert
training yourself to be moreintroverted.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, I guess.
So that would probably beeasier.
Actually, now that I think ofit, it would be easier because
you don't have to put yourselfout there like the introvert
would have to.
You know, in that, sense.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yes, oh, one last question though.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
What if you're married or in a relationship or,
even better, if your childrenhave different personality types
than you?
How would you handle it?
I?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
think my kids do.
It's about making sure that youunderstand that you know
they're not supposed to be you.
I try to accommodate whateverthey're doing or feeling or
whatever you know.
So if one is more introvertedor feeling or whatever you know,
so if one is more introverted,I try to help that one.
Focus on you know, whateverthat might entail.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
That they love, for example that they love, you know
.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And then the one who's the opposite, I'll you
know.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Okay, so here's the thing.
So let's say you're moreintroverted, like myself, and
your kids want to have playdatesbecause they're extroverted,
and your kids want to have playdates because they're
extroverted and they always wantto have other kids over.
How do you deal with that kindof a thing?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I do it, you do it does it drive you nuts?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
a little yeah a little so you just put up with
it for sure how do you rechargeafterwards?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
you know, then I'm alone, I take my, I go to bed at
eight you know, or whateverthere you go but.
But I think it's important thatthey have their things.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, you know well, I guess it's the same thing as
as work, right?
Okay, you owning your ownbusiness, you have to have kind
of like a shift in you'remeeting them where they are, so
to speak exactly, and so thesame kind of thing applies.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And then you just go home and recharge the way you
need to recharge, so you have ahigher social level.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Or your battery is charged up for the next day,
right?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
That's it.
That's it.
You have no choice.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
And I'm Josh Subscribe so you don't miss the
chaos and let's dive in.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Are you the life of the party or the one making an
early exit?
Today, we're going to dive into what it means to be an
introvert, extrovert or ambivert, breaking down the stereotypes
and exploring how our socialbatteries really work.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
What do you think introvert?
Extrovert means Like?
What's your definition of it?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh, this is.
You know, I'm really not goodat this stuff.
So I think introvert means likeI'm more to myself.
Extrovert is like I'm more open, that's all I know.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, you're right, that's the overall picture of it
, but recently I discovered thatthere's actually like a middle
ground.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Which is an ambivert.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Or an omnivert, and I'll tell you what the
difference is between the two,because I obviously I looked
into this because I was veryinterested.
Ambivert is like a balancedmixed of both introvert and
extrovert.
Okay, okay, so kind of like inthe middle yeah and an omnivert
(01:20):
is somebody that can drasticallychange between the two.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Oh shit, okay, that would be me.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Like one would look at that person and be like.
That's a personality changecompletely.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's kind of how I am.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, because it depends on who I'm with.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
What would you call yourself?
An introvert or an extrovert?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
If I only had those choices, yeah, yourself an
introvert or an extrovert.
If I only had those choices,yeah, if I only had those
choices.
I think I've always consideredmyself introvert.
Okay, you know where.
I'm just kind of like more tomyself.
But I think people in mypersonal life might say yes, I
think people who see me on theoutside, I think they would be
(02:02):
like what?
Like no, josh is not introvertat all.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Have you always felt like you were an introvert?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Um no More when I, as I got older, Okay.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So when you were a kid, you were more like
extroverted.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So I want to see, like, what the actual like
traits were for each of these.
And introvert is somebody.
It's all about what makes youfeel energized inside, and so,
whether that's quiet solitudebeing alone makes you feel more
(02:43):
energized, or being aroundpeople, Makes you energized.
Makes you energized.
So it's all about the energylevel that determines which part
of the scale you're on.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Interesting Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I always thought that I was an introvert.
I had friends, I enjoyedspending time doing things, but
I really loved just being alonereading book or quiet, just
being in the quiet.
But now that I'm aware thatthere's an ambivert and an
(03:21):
omnivert, I could say in someways that I'm an ambivert.
I'm able to kind of have abalance between the two.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Also, don't you think that it has something to do
with who your circle is?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Who you're choosing to spend time with, yeah, and
what personality type they are,or just in general?
Just in general.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I mean because the way I look at it is like if
we're saying that this brings usjoy let's say, but also we're
saying like, oh yeah, being outor with people like this doesn't
interest me.
Could there also be an argumentthat it might also have to do
with the people we're hangingout with, because I have a
(04:09):
couple people where, when I'mwith them, it's like I could be
crazy.
You know, okay, I don't meancrazy like stupid, you know, I
just mean like crazy.
You know, like like laughing,fucking, like you know, on the
whole opposite spectrum of whatI would normally.
And then others it's like youknow I'm sitting down and it's
like yeah, yeah, sure you knowwhat I mean like it's like
(04:32):
completely the other side of thelike you could sit in silence
and watch something, or evenjust sit in silence sometimes
like have have that few minutes.
With people.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
With people, yeah, and just sit in silence?
Well, to me that would be anambivert.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Maybe, but it could be extreme right.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, so for you, you feel like it's more extreme.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Well, I think it's extreme, because I'll have
people say why are you so quiet?
You know like what's wrong, areyou okay?
I get like what's wrong, areyou okay?
I get that all what's wrong,are you okay?
So, depending on the personthat you're with, yeah, and then
with other people they're likedamn, they're like, I had no
idea you were so crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Okay, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And it depends on if it's something new or something
not new.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Like what.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Like, if I go to a new restaurant that I've never
been there before and I'm withhalf of the people I've never
met before, I'm automaticallygoing to be more introverted
Versus if I go with a group ofpeople that I'm used to, it's a
restaurant where, like, I knowthe waiters and whatever I might
(05:48):
be on the other spectrum, andif I'm with my kids, I'm always
in introvert mode, you know,because that's just how I am.
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So I know this is why it's yeah, but that's the thing
, like I wonder if everybodykind of experiences the full
spectrum.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And if that, even if it's not even so much as like a
global thing, but maybe likeokay with certain people or
certain times in their lives,like ages, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
That's it Like what if you're thinking of someone
and you're saying, oh no, thisperson is for sure introverted,
but then what if they're onlylike that with you?
So then what does that mean?
Are they introverted or arethey not introverted, Are they?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
meeting your vibe or are you meeting theirs?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Well, that's it.
And then what does that mean?
Is that ambivert where it's inbetween, where you kind of pick
up on the volume of where you'reat?
To not sound so confusing, Iwould say that as I'm getting
older, I'm noticing, like youknow.
I just want peace.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Mellow.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, like I go.
I went on a vacation recentlyand I think 99% of the time I
was relaxing Versus like let'syou know.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Go discover this part of the island.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, which I did, you know which I did, but I had
the most enjoyment when I wasjust kind of looking at the
ocean, chilling versus thatwould never be me when I was
younger.
I'd be like, hey, I want to dosomething, like I don't want to
just sit here, you know, andlike, look at the water, like
yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
It's just.
It's funny how circumstances,alcohol, the different kinds of
people that you ages, everythingjust changes the vibe that you
put out in terms of personalityand how you react to people and
what makes you happiest.
It's just interesting so nowwe're going to ask the weekly
(07:50):
what if question.
Ask the Weekly what If?
Question.
What if everyone had to wear avisible meter showing their
social battery level?
It's almost like a braceletthat says oh, I'm an introvert,
extrovert.
How would that change socialinteractions?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Whoa.
Well, I think it would changethings a lot.
Yeah, I think it would changethings a lot.
Yeah, I think it would.
I'm I'm kind of surprised,actually, now that I think of it
, that there isn't um, like, uh,like that doesn't exist on like
facebook, you know, likeintrovert, extrovert, or you
know like, think about it, it'strue.
You know like watch, watch,watch, it be created now
(08:31):
someone's listening to.
Yeah, I think it would changethings a little bit.
I mean, it's like anythingreally right, when you know more
than you normally would aboutthe stranger, you automatically
you know, like I don't know whatto say.
You know like.
So, for example, if I meetsomeone and I'm like, hey, how's
(08:52):
it going?
And oh, okay, your bracelet,you know, and it says you're
introvert, you know, and whenyou say like battery, do you
mean like it shows how muchenergy they have?
Like right now, like I'm atlike a 20%.
So it's like, oh, I'm not goingto talk to this person.
This person has no energy rightnow.
Yeah, maybe, you know, usuallyyou find that out in a few
(09:12):
moments after talking to theperson.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Right.
So that would kind ofpreemptively Like hey, my name's
.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Lisa, how are you?
Yeah, I'm good.
Thanks, it's like okay, theirbattery level is pretty low,
right, you know?
It might explain a few things,though Instead of maybe taking
it personal, you might say ohwell, okay, look, see the
battery level.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
That's a good.
That's a good point.
Didn't think of that.
I think there's assholeseverywhere, and so I don't think
.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I think we can all be an asshole a little bit.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, but I mean, I think there's assholes
everywhere in the sense thatthey don't give a shit about
your social battery level.
I want this or I need this, orwhatever.
They're coming with their ownstuff right For sure.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Now imagine if it showed a list of everyone's
boundaries.
There's a bracelet with all theboundaries there.
A digital you know pops up likethis, you know, and it's just
like, okay, these are all theboundaries there.
A digital you know pops up likethis, you know, and it's just
like, okay, these are all theboundaries.
Wow, imagine that.
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think there's some peoplethat would not respect the
boundary of the introvert.
(10:27):
Extrovert people would takeadvantage to a degree or or just
not bother with.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I would like to think that there would be a little
bit of compromise andunderstanding.
I think so.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I think there's people that are already like
that, just from you know, Ithink I'd like to think that I'm
one of them If I'm talking tosomeone and I see that they're
not feeling great or thatthey're depressed, or you know.
I mean depression can look likeso many things, but you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I would be one to be like oh, you know, I'm going to
maybe be quiet, just because youknow I care about how the other
people think.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, interesting Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I like that.
That's a good.
What if, though?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, okay.
So what is one of the biggestmyths about introverts?
That they're not leadershipmaterial.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Oh, really, is this a fact yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Based on the research that I did, that they lack
social skills.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Really.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, that they're unfriendly, that they don't have
fun, that they're unfriendly,that they don't have fun.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
That they're unfriendly.
Yeah, oh boy.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Did you know some of the more popular introverts in
the world?
Can you guess off the top ofyour head what you think?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Like we're talking like massive celebrities.
Celebrities or public figuresElon Musk 100%.
Definitely yes.
Bill Gates 100%.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yes, you got two out of three.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
And then Warren Buffett 100%.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Oh yeah, 100%, yeah, a hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
All famous introverts .
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
But look at what they've managed to accomplish.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
So not leadership material.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Not true.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Not true.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
No yeah, even though they all have very different
leadership styles.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Of course, okay.
So now what about extroverts?
When you think of an extrovert,you think life of a party,
right?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So, like you know, all those rock and rollers you
know, uh, the Beatles you know,and all those guys uh, like you
have to be some, you have tohave some form of of of
extroverting you to be able togo out and and do that every day
, like day in, day out.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
For sure, for sure.
Like Ariana Grande, a hundredpercent is an extrovert.
She has to be, she has to be.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Do you think that extroverts are always on?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
No, I don't think so.
I think there's.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I think everybody has to have a downtime.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
What do you think extroverts do for downtime?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I don't know, go like skydiving or something, I don't
know.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Well, think, about it like reading a book or taking a
walk, a solo walk, right.
Those are things that are notnecessarily only an introvert.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
True.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So ambiverts, do you think that they're the most
balanced personality type?
It's based on levels, right,social levels.
Yeah.
So if you looked at it fromthat perspective, would an
ambivert be the most balanced?
Or, technically, are all ofthem have their own balance in
(13:48):
their own way.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Way over my head.
Yeah, I guess, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
It's like a thought provoking thing, though, you
know.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
When was this word created?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
What Introvert.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, I know that sounds maybe funny, but like,
like, is this a new thing or isthis always been like our?
Our, our, our great greatgrandparents talked about
introvert and extrovert I don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I don't know when it was created.
You'll have to look it up onyour phone if you want to check
all right, let's find out 1921okay, so like 100 years yeah
yeah, so oh wow, introvertsfocused inward, gaining energy
from solitude.
Was there, like a doctor, aspecific doctor?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah.
Or it was popularized by CarlJung in his 1921 book
Psychological Times.
Jung's ideas were laterexpanded by Eysnick in the 1940s
yeah, Interesting.
And then the concepts becamemore mainstream in the mid-20th
century.
So the 1940s, yeah.
And then the concepts becamemore mainstream in the mid-20th
century.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So the, 50s.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Similar ideas existed in philosophy and psychology.
Ancient Greek physiciansproposed temperaments based on
bodily humors that looselycorresponded to introversion and
extroversion.
So while the specific termintrovert and extrovert became
widely recognized in the early20th century, the underlying
ideas have been around forcenturies in different forms.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
In different forms.
Well, there you go.
Okay, quickfire opinions.
Workplace stereotypes Areextroverts better leaders.
We've already discussed that.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I don't necessarily think that extroverts make
better leaders, you agree.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Dating and friendship .
Is it easier for extroverts toform connections?
Oh boy, I'm going to say no.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I think everybody forms connections in their own
way.
I don't think it's exclusive toextroverts.
Are people too quick to labelthemselves introverts or
extroverts?
I don't know if it's too quick.
I don't think it's too quick.
I think you know yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I don't even think about those terms.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Well, right.
So, it's not like you're goingthrough your day-to-day thing
saying I'm an introvert.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Right, you know like no yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
But you do know what kind of a personality style?
Well, you said it.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, I think I'm omni Okay.
Yeah, I think Okay.
Still confusing.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I know, I know Again, introvert, extrovert is very
clear and defined.
But then the omnivore and theambivore.
You're like, okay, but likewhat?
If I like this?
Like what does it put me?
You know, like.
I think maybe now we're puttingtoo much pressure on labeling
ourselves.
Personality tests Do you thinkthey're helpful or do you think
(16:46):
it's like pseudoscience?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I don't know A little bit here and there.
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I think that can be fun.
Certain ones obviously can befun.
I do find it helpful a littlebit.
I like knowing what makes metick.
Now I understand myself better,almost Okay, can you train
yourself to be more extrovertedor more introverted?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Probably.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
But what do you think would be easier, if you were an
extrovert, training yourself tobe more introverted, or if you
were an introvert, trainingyourself to be more extroverted?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I think it would be easier if you were an extrovert
training yourself to be moreintroverted.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, I guess.
So that would probably beeasier.
Actually, now that I think ofit, it would be easier because
you don't have to put yourselfout there like the introvert
would have to.
You know, in that, sense.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yes, oh, one last question though.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
What if you're married or in a relationship or,
even better, if your childrenhave different personality types
than you?
How would you handle it?
I?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
think my kids do.
It's about making sure that youunderstand that you know
they're not supposed to be you.
I try to accommodate whateverthey're doing or feeling or
whatever you know.
So if one is more introvertedor feeling or whatever you know,
so if one is more introverted,I try to help that one.
Focus on you know, whateverthat might entail.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
That they love, for example that they love, you know
.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And then the one who's the opposite, I'll you
know.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Okay, so here's the thing.
So let's say you're moreintroverted, like myself, and
your kids want to have playdatesbecause they're extroverted,
and your kids want to have playdates because they're
extroverted and they always wantto have other kids over.
How do you deal with that kindof a thing?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I do it, you do it does it drive you nuts?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
a little yeah a little so you just put up with
it for sure how do you rechargeafterwards?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
you know, then I'm alone, I take my, I go to bed at
eight you know, or whateverthere you go but.
But I think it's important thatthey have their things.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, you know well, I guess it's the same thing as
as work, right?
Okay, you owning your ownbusiness, you have to have kind
of like a shift in you'remeeting them where they are, so
to speak exactly, and so thesame kind of thing applies.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And then you just go home and recharge the way you
need to recharge, so you have ahigher social level.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Or your battery is charged up for the next day,
right?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
That's it.
That's it.
You have no choice.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Well, that's it for today, everybody.
If you like this, please hitlike and subscribe.
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Speaker 2 (19:32):
Drop your hot take in the comments.
We want to hear it.
See you next time on Brother,Sister, whatever.
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