February 27, 2025 • 24 mins
What if you could instantly become a master of any skill, just like in "The Matrix"? Join us as we entertain this tantalizing thought experiment on "Brother, Sister, Whatever." Lisa dreams of mastering kung fu and jiu-jitsu for the empowerment and confidence it exudes, while Josh envisions a deep dive into the world of psychology, inspired by the analytical prowess of figures like Jordan Peterson. Together, we paint a picture of a world where learning is as easy as downloading a new skill set, imagining the empowerment and fantasy that comes with immediate mastery.
Our conversation takes a thoughtful turn as we reflect on the journey of aging. We weigh the wisdom and insight gained over the years against the challenges of a slower metabolism and occasional vertigo. With humor and candor, we share personal stories and observations about societal perceptions of aging, especially the pressures women face to maintain a youthful appearance. Drawing inspiration from motivational figures like Gary V, we explore the idea that it's never too late to embark on new adventures and chase fresh ambitions. Join us for a rich discussion on aging, societal norms, and the enduring spirit to redefine personal goals at any stage of life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everyone, welcome back to Brother, Sister.
Whatever, I'm Lisa.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
And I'm Josh.
Today we're diving intosomething a lot of people might
be curious about aging.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
We're talking about getting older, the ups and downs
and everything in between.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
But first we'll have our weekly what-if question.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
What if you could instantly master any skill?
Would you choose, and why?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
okay, you first on this one okay, I would learn all
kinds of self-defense methods,okay, okay like kung fu,
jiu-jitsu karate you know, likethe matrix, where they plug it
in and it's just you, instantlyknow all this stuff like, who
can forget that montage, right?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
yeah, that was awesome, that was awesome, like
downloaded.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, remember even like uh, when they needed to
like fly a chopper, it was likeyou know, they download it boom.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I know how to fly it exactly, exactly at at its base.
It's all about self-defenseknowing how to protect myself if
I need to, that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
However, I think there's also a little bit of
like a power.
I would feel powerful.
I feel like it would be reallygreat for your how to take.
You know how to take care ofyourself that's actually that
way.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, that's actually a really good point.
You know how, like someone witha black belt, they can't really
fight anyone because they'revery dangerous.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
They're like a lethal weapon, right yeah, I think the
power would be more just for me, like I don't feel like I would
necessarily like use it as ashield or like, uh a shield with
the people around me.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
But you see, that's my point.
No one who is in that scenarioacts like that, because that's
the point.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Okay, I think I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Is that the?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
people with the power that know that they have power
don't feel the need to use it.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And they can control it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
They'll say is Superman brave or not?
And my answer is that he's notreally brave, and the reason why
he's not brave is because he'sindestructible.
Nothing can kill him.
So I have no problem walking infront of the bullet.
(02:32):
I have no problem going andsaving those people.
Nothing can kill me, nothingcan hurt me.
Is that brave?
Versus, like I don't know.
I'm sure people listening tothis might argue with me, but
like I don't know.
I'm sure people listening tothis might argue with me, but
like I don't know.
Iron man I mean, it's a suit,it's a little different.
I mean he could stilltechnically get his bones
(02:54):
crushed, you know if, if he'snot careful, or you know like
things can still happen to tohim.
Batman and superman there we go, because, if you think about it
, batman is very breakable.
So every day that he doessomething, you know you could
consider that brave.
So I guess where I'm going withthis before we I hijacked the
(03:17):
podcast is that like you sayingthat like, oh, it would be
amazing for me to learn all ofthese skills, like these martial
arts, not so that you can useit.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
No.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You have that Batman feeling.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yes, learning that skill is not for anybody else
but me yeah.
That's awesome, like what aboutyou?
What skill would you master?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
what about you?
What skill would you master?
I'm, I'm very much into um like, just like profiling and
psychology and that type ofstuff so I would love to just
like become you know like a guru.
Jordan Peterson.
You know, like boom, just thatknowledge is like in my head.
You know, like that would bepretty amazing, it'd be fun to
(04:09):
kind of have that skill.
And you know, it's funny thatnow that I just I just literally
thought of it, because wantingthat skill is actually very
close to what I do already.
Okay, but for dogs, and and andalso, it makes me realize like,
oh yeah, I guess it's notreally far off from yours, is
far off.
You know, like I would have notexpected that.
(04:32):
I would have thought maybesomething to do with like
business or like internet orlike, you know, like a webmaster
or like graphic designer orsomething like that.
But no, I did not think youwere going to go for martial
arts.
So but yeah, I guess mine iskind of it's pretty boring.
I guess it's like in the samecategory of what I'm already
doing I analyze dogs every day,then I mediate the families, the
(04:57):
people, and in this case I wantto have that Jordan Peterson
mind.
That would be the skill, thoughlike to have his brain.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
You know, I don't want to be him, specifically for
his brain.
I don't want to be him.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Like he's just so good.
I don't know if you've everwatched any of his interviews or
anything.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Nothing Can I be honest, I don't even know who he
is.
Okay, but so why that skillspecifically?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Like I said, you know , I think it would be really
wonderful to just understandpeople a little bit more on a
deeper level and not so much onjust a surface level kind of
thing I think that would be.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
that would be really like going back to the matrix.
I feel like if ever the worldwas going towards something like
that okay, not the wholeexternal, like the world is dead
and we're like living in pods,but I mean like the the pot, the
part, specifically about how welearn things that insert and
(05:57):
you've learned it and you're amaster man the shit we could do
oh man, that would be crazy Iknow right yeah it's like even
just like, I want to learn howto knit, but I don't want to
like.
It's so like come on, justinsert a little chip and let me
just knit but you know what I'mso stupid, I know, but no it's
(06:21):
not, but I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But also you want to know something, what?
And it really only just kind ofthought of that afterwards,
like when you were saying thatabout the knit, and like you
know, I just want to.
I don't know why he popped intomy head, but like Michael
Jordan popped into my head.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay, why?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And he popped into my head because he's so great,
okay Right, so great.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Okay, right.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Imagine if everyone could pop a chip and be like
Michael Jordan.
Michael Jordan wouldn't beMichael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Exactly how special would we be?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
So you know that's the downside of things.
Okay, we're going into like awhole other podcast, because now
, now, like think about it, youknow, because then practice
right, like that suffering thatentrepreneurs and and and
athletes talk about, then thatthat would.
There would be no like growth,growth, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Like what we were discussing last week, where it's
like instant, instantgratification, almost Right.
Where it's just like give it tome now.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, boom.
You know, and then how muchfulfillment would there be?
Because we know that all thereally really successful,
whether it's money or whetherit's athlete or they all say the
same thing.
They all say that when theyreach it, it's never enough,
it's it's always been about thejourney, and they only realize
it's about the journey afterthey kind of hit a destination
(07:43):
and then they choose another one, like there's always another
mountain that's higher, right,you know.
So it's more about the journey.
So if that's true, technicallythat would really ruin a lot of
ambition, but it would also makeprobably the world quite great
in many ways.
Oh, it's a it's a tough one.
(08:04):
You know what would happen towhat the chips can you imagine?
Because the way that they cankind of monopolize it is if the
chips were very expensive andonly certain people could afford
these certain chips or so whatis?
apprentice chip, journeymanship,master chip, right, so it's
(08:25):
like I have master forpsychology and then you know
there's a.
You know it's like I can onlyafford the journeyman one.
So I'll know a lot aboutpsychology, but not like a
doctor.
And then, oh, that could bemoney here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
What if we could do something like that?
Every person only gets onething in the thing.
What if we could do somethinglike that?
Every person only gets onething in their lifetime.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
What would it be?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, Like I said, we could talk about this.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
This is a whole different podcast yeah a whole
different podcast.
We'll do one about this andwe'll name it the Matrix.
Okay, that'll be the podcastname.
Stay tuned, matrix.
Okay, that'll be the podcastname.
Stay tuned, guys.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So, let's talk about aging.
Let's start with the physicalthings.
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
What would be a good thing anda bad thing?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
you've noticed as you've gotten older because now
we're both in our 40s.
About aging um, I'd say badthing my skin.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
You know, I remember being able to wake up hungover,
whatever the case, didn't take ashower for seven days, whatever
it was, and my face lookedsparkling.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You know, now it's like shower every day, use the
little fucking serum, you know,and all that shit, and I'm like,
why the fuck do I still havedry skin?
You know it's like.
So I definitely think skin is adownfall for me.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
You know genes right, everyone's a little different.
And I'd say good thing, becauseI'm on TRT.
So that has helped me and mademe feel great.
So in the sense of my age, I'mfinally able to actually gain
muscle.
So it's something thattechnically I never got when I
(10:35):
was younger, because I found outthat, yeah, in a weird way,
that me being older is giving methat young thing that most
people would have at that age.
So that's definitely kind ofalmost rejuvenated me in some
(10:57):
ways.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
The good thing about aging is the perspective that
I've gained.
The older I get, the more thatI don't tolerate things that
used to bother me or such a bigdeal are really not that big of
a deal.
So that kind, and I guess mycon, the con of aging, is slow
(11:27):
metabolism for myself.
Yeah, I'm not very happy withthat.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Now, when you say slow metabolism, define that.
What do you mean?
Now, you can't eat what youwant.
Is that what you're saying?
Define that like.
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
like now, like you can't eat what you want.
Is that what you're saying?
I was a lucky person in which Icould eat whatever I wanted
right and I looked a certain way.
Okay, now I understand that.
You know, as a woman, after youhave children your body changes
anyway, so there's that aspectto it.
(12:07):
But in general, even afterhaving kids, my body kind of
bounced back.
But then as I hit, I sort ofhit my forties and then all of a
sudden it's well, nothing'schanged in my dietary habits,
but my body is not looking theway it was, it's not reacting to
(12:31):
the foods the same way, it'sjust different.
Yeah, and obviously yes, I cancertainly change that if I want
to.
I can certainly change that ifI want to.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I'm sure that if I worked out more, or if I could
get.
I guess I'm just mourning theloss of not having to do that.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Okay, fun take.
If you could have one part ofyour 20-year-old body back, what
would it be?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
If I could have one part.
Yeah, oh, I don't know.
You tell me.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
If I could have one part of my 20-year-old body back
, it would be the lack of backpain, so like a stronger back.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I have had fucking vertigo and it drives me fucking
crazy.
So, I don't know, is that myears, I guess, or my fucking
head, or whatever?
I would love to fucking have anormal head where I'm not
getting goddamn vertigo everytime I go on a goddamn plane and
land and then all of a suddenmy vacation is ruined because
(13:44):
I'm fucking crawling against thewalls for for a week.
You know like shit, you knowwith the stupid exercises and
you know like so you know, andthat only happened when I
started getting old.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Okay, so there you go .
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I mean, you know, I would hope that there isn't an
18-year-old walking around withfucking vertigo.
It's the worst feeling ever.
Have you had vertigo?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Oh, you are the luckiest person in the world.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I've gotten seasick, but that's not very fun either.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
You know vertigo, I'm not even kidding you.
You're going to think I'mover-exaggerating, because
that's exactly what I thoughtother people were when they
would say this If you literallyspun like, just spun around like
15, 16 times and then try tostop.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yes, that feeling.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That feeling, that's vertigo, like the moment you
stand up.
Sit up, you get that feelinglike crazy right away.
That's what fucking vertigo is.
Yeah, it sucks balls.
It's not fun.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
No I bet it isn't.
It doesn't sound fun, so Idon't want that, that you know.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
They talk about the crystals and the ear.
So I don't know, fuck, Icleaned my goddamn ears, you
know.
I don't know what to say, youknow.
But so, whatever, that oldnessof ear and head that I want to
go away, that would be my thing.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Okay, okay, let's look at the differences between
men and women just very quickly,in terms of aging and and how
society looks at it.
So, for example, I'll give youan example First thing that
comes to my mind is gray hair.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You see, like a guy with salt and pepper hair or
grayish hair, it's likedistinguished.
He's a distinguished older man,right?
Sure, no, this is a thing.
But a woman with gray hair isvery rare, unless they're much
(15:52):
older in life, because mostwomen have continued to dye
their hair, right?
So, that it's not gray.
I'm certainly one of thosepeople.
I've also for a moment in timeat least a good two years tried
to just not dye my hair and,just like you know what it's
(16:12):
graying, it is what it is.
And then at one point I wasjust like, okay, I've had enough
and I dyed it.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
So why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's the patriarchy.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
No, I'm serious.
Men and women are, withinsociety, looked at differently.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So why is it that women have to attain this beauty
image of like a 20-year-old atall times, but men are allowed
to age, gracefully?
Society has ingrained in usthat if we go out looking less
than, then we are less than.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
So it's just, I don't necessarily want you to answer
the question, it's just thoughtprovoking in a way.
One of the things that I'vekind of, you know, over the
years, struggled with is almostfeeling like, oh, I'm past my
due, I can't go back to schoolnow, I'm too old.
I've always kind of held myselfback because it was you know,
(17:24):
don't have the time, don't havethe you know, have kids in
school that should be focusingon them and all of that stuff.
Is your take on aging, startingover even it, like with a new
career?
When are you too old to do that, if you are?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I'm a.
I'm a huge gary v fan, okay, so, um, you know, because of that
he's pretty much ingrained itinto.
I'm sure anyone who's alistener of g Vee will think the
same as me.
I don't think you're ever tooold.
I really don't, because I usedto be very much like that.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Even though I'm only 40.
I was very much like that.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
You're still.
You're not even like halfway,like halfway through your life.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I know.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So imagine all of the 40 years that you've lived and
grown you have another 40.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
It's crazy when you think about it.
I know you don't think likethat.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
We look at midlife crisis.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Oh, you know, it's like the end, it's the start of
the end.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
It's true, though, right.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
It is.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Okay, Fun.
Take If you could have any jobat this stage in life, no limits
.
What would it be?
Let's reintroduce our matrix.
What if?
And say it could be a plug-in.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And you could start a whole new career, would you?
And what would it be?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You know, lately don't ask me why I've had a
fascination for jet fighters Iwould love.
I would probably regret this,but I would love, especially
with my vertigo, but, but, but Iwould love to like fly a fly a
jet.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
And this is going to sound boring in comparison to
yours I would want to be alawyer.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Okay, like suits.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Not corporate, like family law.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Oh, wow, okay, that's pretty boring.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Oh, I'm kidding, that's cool.
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, I mean, how long does it take to be a lawyer
In?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
real life.
I think it's like a four toeight year thing.
It's really not that bad whenwe were younger looking at being
older or looking at people intheir forties or fifties, what
was your perception and what wassomething that you kind of were
like, oh, that's so old.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I mean honestly, I thought that you know, it was
really old.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Like just age wise.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It wasn't necessarily just about what they were doing
yeah, it's like they're,they're, they're done.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
You know like they're , it's finished for them.
You know like their life isover and now it's my turn.
You know like I really feltlike that life is over and now
it's my turn.
You know like I really feltlike that and ew moments.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Not really ew moments , but kind of like oh, I don't
want to be like that.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Like I'll give you some examples.
I guess, like the fleecesweater, you know, like those
old guys, the cardigans.
You know the cardigans, Didn'tyou walk in with?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
a cardigan no.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
That you know the cardigans and the cardigan no,
that's not a cardigan, don'teven start, no, but you know, so
like yeah, no, I don't.
I hate that, you know, and thelittle you know, like the collar
okay the collar there, you know, and the hilarious even with
the salt and pepper hair there.
No, no, no, that's not okay.
You know like that.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
You know like you know, your life is over you kill
me you know, well, I rememberthinking back at, like, looking
at people that were older thanme and just being like you
garden like how lame.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
That's a good point actually, yeah yeah, that's a
good point.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And now I'm like spending the springs in my
garden and I'm all like this isso joyful.
I'm like, oh my god, I'm one ofthem yeah, I have joined the
group, that's true just stufflike that.
You know, just like we're sojudgmental.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Oh, geez, okay.
So midlife bucket list Is theresomething that you want to
accomplish before the nextdecade, so before you turn 50,
give me one or two things thatyou want to accomplish, whether
personally or professionally, orboth.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I guess I would like to have you know Jet figured out
a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Okay, so you'd like to help Jet.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, you know he has some difficulties.
So, you know, I'd like to kindof have a little bit of a
trajectory of what's going.
You know, because right nowit's so like up in the air Right
now like we have to look into adifferent school now for him.
So you know, like right nowit's so like up in the air right
now like, uh, where we have tolook into a different school now
for him, so so you know, likeit's, it's messy, you know, uh,
(22:22):
so so I'd like to try to havethat figured out.
Um, I mean, I'm assuming I'mgoing to have that figured out
way before 50.
And then I guess, uh,professionally, um, uh, I, I,
you know, I, I keep saying it, Ineed to get off my ass and just
do it.
I really want to get into myonline stuff.
That's probably something thatyou know.
(22:44):
I want it to be fully done,finished, accomplished, journey
ends for that task, thatspecific thing, definitely by
the time I'm 50.
If not 45.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So yeah, 45.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Okay so yeah, you, okay.
Well, I've got a few less yearsbefore my decade comes up, so
in the next four years, I wantto be in a better place in terms
of self-care and self-worth.
I want to be eating healthier.
(23:18):
I want to be in a fitnessregimen that works for me.
I want to be healthy.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I want to be strong.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And I want to feel good about myself.
So all of that, I want to trynew things, find something that
I really love like this podcast,and then just so that's it for
today's episode.
Let us know what's been thebest part of getting older for
you.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
And don't forget to answer our what-if question in
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Speaker 1 (23:50):
Make sure to follow, subscribe and share the podcast
and, as always, we'll see younext time on Brother, Sister,
Whatever.
Hi everyone, welcome back to Brother, Sister.
Whatever, I'm Lisa.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
And I'm Josh.
Today we're diving intosomething a lot of people might
be curious about aging.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
We're talking about getting older, the ups and downs
and everything in between.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
But first we'll have our weekly what-if question.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
What if you could instantly master any skill?
Would you choose, and why?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
okay, you first on this one okay, I would learn all
kinds of self-defense methods,okay, okay like kung fu,
jiu-jitsu karate you know, likethe matrix, where they plug it
in and it's just you, instantlyknow all this stuff like, who
can forget that montage, right?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
yeah, that was awesome, that was awesome, like
downloaded.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, remember even like uh, when they needed to
like fly a chopper, it was likeyou know, they download it boom.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I know how to fly it exactly, exactly at at its base.
It's all about self-defenseknowing how to protect myself if
I need to, that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
However, I think there's also a little bit of
like a power.
I would feel powerful.
I feel like it would be reallygreat for your how to take.
You know how to take care ofyourself that's actually that
way.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, that's actually a really good point.
You know how, like someone witha black belt, they can't really
fight anyone because they'revery dangerous.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
They're like a lethal weapon, right yeah, I think the
power would be more just for me, like I don't feel like I would
necessarily like use it as ashield or like, uh a shield with
the people around me.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
But you see, that's my point.
No one who is in that scenarioacts like that, because that's
the point.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Okay, I think I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Is that the?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
people with the power that know that they have power
don't feel the need to use it.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And they can control it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
They'll say is Superman brave or not?
And my answer is that he's notreally brave, and the reason why
he's not brave is because he'sindestructible.
Nothing can kill him.
So I have no problem walking infront of the bullet.
(02:32):
I have no problem going andsaving those people.
Nothing can kill me, nothingcan hurt me.
Is that brave?
Versus, like I don't know.
I'm sure people listening tothis might argue with me, but
like I don't know.
I'm sure people listening tothis might argue with me, but
like I don't know.
Iron man I mean, it's a suit,it's a little different.
I mean he could stilltechnically get his bones
(02:54):
crushed, you know if, if he'snot careful, or you know like
things can still happen to tohim.
Batman and superman there we go, because, if you think about it
, batman is very breakable.
So every day that he doessomething, you know you could
consider that brave.
So I guess where I'm going withthis before we I hijacked the
(03:17):
podcast is that like you sayingthat like, oh, it would be
amazing for me to learn all ofthese skills, like these martial
arts, not so that you can useit.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
No.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You have that Batman feeling.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yes, learning that skill is not for anybody else
but me yeah.
That's awesome, like what aboutyou?
What skill would you master?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
what about you?
What skill would you master?
I'm, I'm very much into um like, just like profiling and
psychology and that type ofstuff so I would love to just
like become you know like a guru.
Jordan Peterson.
You know, like boom, just thatknowledge is like in my head.
You know, like that would bepretty amazing, it'd be fun to
(04:09):
kind of have that skill.
And you know, it's funny thatnow that I just I just literally
thought of it, because wantingthat skill is actually very
close to what I do already.
Okay, but for dogs, and and andalso, it makes me realize like,
oh yeah, I guess it's notreally far off from yours, is
far off.
You know, like I would have notexpected that.
(04:32):
I would have thought maybesomething to do with like
business or like internet orlike, you know, like a webmaster
or like graphic designer orsomething like that.
But no, I did not think youwere going to go for martial
arts.
So but yeah, I guess mine iskind of it's pretty boring.
I guess it's like in the samecategory of what I'm already
doing I analyze dogs every day,then I mediate the families, the
(04:57):
people, and in this case I wantto have that Jordan Peterson
mind.
That would be the skill, thoughlike to have his brain.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
You know, I don't want to be him, specifically for
his brain.
I don't want to be him.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Like he's just so good.
I don't know if you've everwatched any of his interviews or
anything.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Nothing Can I be honest, I don't even know who he
is.
Okay, but so why that skillspecifically?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Like I said, you know , I think it would be really
wonderful to just understandpeople a little bit more on a
deeper level and not so much onjust a surface level kind of
thing I think that would be.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
that would be really like going back to the matrix.
I feel like if ever the worldwas going towards something like
that okay, not the wholeexternal, like the world is dead
and we're like living in pods,but I mean like the the pot, the
part, specifically about how welearn things that insert and
(05:57):
you've learned it and you're amaster man the shit we could do
oh man, that would be crazy Iknow right yeah it's like even
just like, I want to learn howto knit, but I don't want to
like.
It's so like come on, justinsert a little chip and let me
just knit but you know what I'mso stupid, I know, but no it's
(06:21):
not, but I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But also you want to know something, what?
And it really only just kind ofthought of that afterwards,
like when you were saying thatabout the knit, and like you
know, I just want to.
I don't know why he popped intomy head, but like Michael
Jordan popped into my head.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay, why?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And he popped into my head because he's so great,
okay Right, so great.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Okay, right.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Imagine if everyone could pop a chip and be like
Michael Jordan.
Michael Jordan wouldn't beMichael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Exactly how special would we be?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
So you know that's the downside of things.
Okay, we're going into like awhole other podcast, because now
, now, like think about it, youknow, because then practice
right, like that suffering thatentrepreneurs and and and
athletes talk about, then thatthat would.
There would be no like growth,growth, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Like what we were discussing last week, where it's
like instant, instantgratification, almost Right.
Where it's just like give it tome now.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, boom.
You know, and then how muchfulfillment would there be?
Because we know that all thereally really successful,
whether it's money or whetherit's athlete or they all say the
same thing.
They all say that when theyreach it, it's never enough,
it's it's always been about thejourney, and they only realize
it's about the journey afterthey kind of hit a destination
(07:43):
and then they choose another one, like there's always another
mountain that's higher, right,you know.
So it's more about the journey.
So if that's true, technicallythat would really ruin a lot of
ambition, but it would also makeprobably the world quite great
in many ways.
Oh, it's a it's a tough one.
(08:04):
You know what would happen towhat the chips can you imagine?
Because the way that they cankind of monopolize it is if the
chips were very expensive andonly certain people could afford
these certain chips or so whatis?
apprentice chip, journeymanship,master chip, right, so it's
(08:25):
like I have master forpsychology and then you know
there's a.
You know it's like I can onlyafford the journeyman one.
So I'll know a lot aboutpsychology, but not like a
doctor.
And then, oh, that could bemoney here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
What if we could do something like that?
Every person only gets onething in the thing.
What if we could do somethinglike that?
Every person only gets onething in their lifetime.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
What would it be?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, Like I said, we could talk about this.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
This is a whole different podcast yeah a whole
different podcast.
We'll do one about this andwe'll name it the Matrix.
Okay, that'll be the podcastname.
Stay tuned, matrix.
Okay, that'll be the podcastname.
Stay tuned, guys.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So, let's talk about aging.
Let's start with the physicalthings.
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
What would be a good thing anda bad thing?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
you've noticed as you've gotten older because now
we're both in our 40s.
About aging um, I'd say badthing my skin.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
You know, I remember being able to wake up hungover,
whatever the case, didn't take ashower for seven days, whatever
it was, and my face lookedsparkling.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You know, now it's like shower every day, use the
little fucking serum, you know,and all that shit, and I'm like,
why the fuck do I still havedry skin?
You know it's like.
So I definitely think skin is adownfall for me.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
You know genes right, everyone's a little different.
And I'd say good thing, becauseI'm on TRT.
So that has helped me and mademe feel great.
So in the sense of my age, I'mfinally able to actually gain
muscle.
So it's something thattechnically I never got when I
(10:35):
was younger, because I found outthat, yeah, in a weird way,
that me being older is giving methat young thing that most
people would have at that age.
So that's definitely kind ofalmost rejuvenated me in some
(10:57):
ways.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
The good thing about aging is the perspective that
I've gained.
The older I get, the more thatI don't tolerate things that
used to bother me or such a bigdeal are really not that big of
a deal.
So that kind, and I guess mycon, the con of aging, is slow
(11:27):
metabolism for myself.
Yeah, I'm not very happy withthat.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Now, when you say slow metabolism, define that.
What do you mean?
Now, you can't eat what youwant.
Is that what you're saying?
Define that like.
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
like now, like you can't eat what you want.
Is that what you're saying?
I was a lucky person in which Icould eat whatever I wanted
right and I looked a certain way.
Okay, now I understand that.
You know, as a woman, after youhave children your body changes
anyway, so there's that aspectto it.
(12:07):
But in general, even afterhaving kids, my body kind of
bounced back.
But then as I hit, I sort ofhit my forties and then all of a
sudden it's well, nothing'schanged in my dietary habits,
but my body is not looking theway it was, it's not reacting to
(12:31):
the foods the same way, it'sjust different.
Yeah, and obviously yes, I cancertainly change that if I want
to.
I can certainly change that ifI want to.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I'm sure that if I worked out more, or if I could
get.
I guess I'm just mourning theloss of not having to do that.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Okay, fun take.
If you could have one part ofyour 20-year-old body back, what
would it be?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
If I could have one part.
Yeah, oh, I don't know.
You tell me.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
If I could have one part of my 20-year-old body back
, it would be the lack of backpain, so like a stronger back.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I have had fucking vertigo and it drives me fucking
crazy.
So, I don't know, is that myears, I guess, or my fucking
head, or whatever?
I would love to fucking have anormal head where I'm not
getting goddamn vertigo everytime I go on a goddamn plane and
land and then all of a suddenmy vacation is ruined because
(13:44):
I'm fucking crawling against thewalls for for a week.
You know like shit, you knowwith the stupid exercises and
you know like so you know, andthat only happened when I
started getting old.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Okay, so there you go .
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I mean, you know, I would hope that there isn't an
18-year-old walking around withfucking vertigo.
It's the worst feeling ever.
Have you had vertigo?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Oh, you are the luckiest person in the world.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I've gotten seasick, but that's not very fun either.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
You know vertigo, I'm not even kidding you.
You're going to think I'mover-exaggerating, because
that's exactly what I thoughtother people were when they
would say this If you literallyspun like, just spun around like
15, 16 times and then try tostop.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yes, that feeling.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That feeling, that's vertigo, like the moment you
stand up.
Sit up, you get that feelinglike crazy right away.
That's what fucking vertigo is.
Yeah, it sucks balls.
It's not fun.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
No I bet it isn't.
It doesn't sound fun, so Idon't want that, that you know.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
They talk about the crystals and the ear.
So I don't know, fuck, Icleaned my goddamn ears, you
know.
I don't know what to say, youknow.
But so, whatever, that oldnessof ear and head that I want to
go away, that would be my thing.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Okay, okay, let's look at the differences between
men and women just very quickly,in terms of aging and and how
society looks at it.
So, for example, I'll give youan example First thing that
comes to my mind is gray hair.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You see, like a guy with salt and pepper hair or
grayish hair, it's likedistinguished.
He's a distinguished older man,right?
Sure, no, this is a thing.
But a woman with gray hair isvery rare, unless they're much
(15:52):
older in life, because mostwomen have continued to dye
their hair, right?
So, that it's not gray.
I'm certainly one of thosepeople.
I've also for a moment in timeat least a good two years tried
to just not dye my hair and,just like you know what it's
(16:12):
graying, it is what it is.
And then at one point I wasjust like, okay, I've had enough
and I dyed it.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
So why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's the patriarchy.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
No, I'm serious.
Men and women are, withinsociety, looked at differently.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So why is it that women have to attain this beauty
image of like a 20-year-old atall times, but men are allowed
to age, gracefully?
Society has ingrained in usthat if we go out looking less
than, then we are less than.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
So it's just, I don't necessarily want you to answer
the question, it's just thoughtprovoking in a way.
One of the things that I'vekind of, you know, over the
years, struggled with is almostfeeling like, oh, I'm past my
due, I can't go back to schoolnow, I'm too old.
I've always kind of held myselfback because it was you know,
(17:24):
don't have the time, don't havethe you know, have kids in
school that should be focusingon them and all of that stuff.
Is your take on aging, startingover even it, like with a new
career?
When are you too old to do that, if you are?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I'm a.
I'm a huge gary v fan, okay, so, um, you know, because of that
he's pretty much ingrained itinto.
I'm sure anyone who's alistener of g Vee will think the
same as me.
I don't think you're ever tooold.
I really don't, because I usedto be very much like that.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Even though I'm only 40.
I was very much like that.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
You're still.
You're not even like halfway,like halfway through your life.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I know.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So imagine all of the 40 years that you've lived and
grown you have another 40.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
It's crazy when you think about it.
I know you don't think likethat.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
We look at midlife crisis.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Oh, you know, it's like the end, it's the start of
the end.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
It's true, though, right.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
It is.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Okay, Fun.
Take If you could have any jobat this stage in life, no limits
.
What would it be?
Let's reintroduce our matrix.
What if?
And say it could be a plug-in.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And you could start a whole new career, would you?
And what would it be?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You know, lately don't ask me why I've had a
fascination for jet fighters Iwould love.
I would probably regret this,but I would love, especially
with my vertigo, but, but, but Iwould love to like fly a fly a
jet.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
And this is going to sound boring in comparison to
yours I would want to be alawyer.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Okay, like suits.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Not corporate, like family law.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Oh, wow, okay, that's pretty boring.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Oh, I'm kidding, that's cool.
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, I mean, how long does it take to be a lawyer
In?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
real life.
I think it's like a four toeight year thing.
It's really not that bad whenwe were younger looking at being
older or looking at people intheir forties or fifties, what
was your perception and what wassomething that you kind of were
like, oh, that's so old.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I mean honestly, I thought that you know, it was
really old.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Like just age wise.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It wasn't necessarily just about what they were doing
yeah, it's like they're,they're, they're done.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
You know like they're , it's finished for them.
You know like their life isover and now it's my turn.
You know like I really feltlike that life is over and now
it's my turn.
You know like I really feltlike that and ew moments.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Not really ew moments , but kind of like oh, I don't
want to be like that.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Like I'll give you some examples.
I guess, like the fleecesweater, you know, like those
old guys, the cardigans.
You know the cardigans, Didn'tyou walk in with?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
a cardigan no.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
That you know the cardigans and the cardigan no,
that's not a cardigan, don'teven start, no, but you know, so
like yeah, no, I don't.
I hate that, you know, and thelittle you know, like the collar
okay the collar there, you know, and the hilarious even with
the salt and pepper hair there.
No, no, no, that's not okay.
You know like that.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
You know like you know, your life is over you kill
me you know, well, I rememberthinking back at, like, looking
at people that were older thanme and just being like you
garden like how lame.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
That's a good point actually, yeah yeah, that's a
good point.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And now I'm like spending the springs in my
garden and I'm all like this isso joyful.
I'm like, oh my god, I'm one ofthem yeah, I have joined the
group, that's true just stufflike that.
You know, just like we're sojudgmental.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Oh, geez, okay.
So midlife bucket list Is theresomething that you want to
accomplish before the nextdecade, so before you turn 50,
give me one or two things thatyou want to accomplish, whether
personally or professionally, orboth.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I guess I would like to have you know Jet figured out
a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Okay, so you'd like to help Jet.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, you know he has some difficulties.
So, you know, I'd like to kindof have a little bit of a
trajectory of what's going.
You know, because right nowit's so like up in the air Right
now like we have to look into adifferent school now for him.
So you know, like right nowit's so like up in the air right
now like, uh, where we have tolook into a different school now
for him, so so you know, likeit's, it's messy, you know, uh,
(22:22):
so so I'd like to try to havethat figured out.
Um, I mean, I'm assuming I'mgoing to have that figured out
way before 50.
And then I guess, uh,professionally, um, uh, I, I,
you know, I, I keep saying it, Ineed to get off my ass and just
do it.
I really want to get into myonline stuff.
That's probably something thatyou know.
(22:44):
I want it to be fully done,finished, accomplished, journey
ends for that task, thatspecific thing, definitely by
the time I'm 50.
If not 45.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So yeah, 45.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Okay so yeah, you, okay.
Well, I've got a few less yearsbefore my decade comes up, so
in the next four years, I wantto be in a better place in terms
of self-care and self-worth.
I want to be eating healthier.
(23:18):
I want to be in a fitnessregimen that works for me.
I want to be healthy.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I want to be strong.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And I want to feel good about myself.
So all of that, I want to trynew things, find something that
I really love like this podcast,and then just so that's it for
today's episode.
Let us know what's been thebest part of getting older for
you.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
And don't forget to answer our what-if question in
the comments or message us onInstagram.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Make sure to follow, subscribe and share the podcast
and, as always, we'll see younext time on Brother, Sister,
Whatever.
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