March 20, 2025 • 34 mins
What transforms a simple activity into a meaningful hobby? Is it the joy of creation, the thrill of skill-building, or perhaps the escape it provides from everyday pressures?
In this thought-provoking episode, we peel back the layers on what makes our favorite pastimes so essential to our wellbeing and identity. Josh opens up about his newfound passion for collecting Dragon Ball Z cards alongside his son's One Piece collection, while I've rediscovered the simple pleasure of drawing—both for myself and as quality time with my kids. These personal connections set the stage for a deeper conversation about what fuels our leisure pursuits.
We tackle some fascinating questions: Does a hobby need to involve skill development, or is pure enjoyment enough? When does a healthy interest cross the line into unhealthy escapism? Should certain activities remain sacred spaces for enjoyment rather than being monetized? Josh shares vulnerably about how gaming once served as his primary coping mechanism during difficult times, highlighting the complex psychology behind what draws us to certain activities.
What surprised us most was realizing how our perception of other people's hobbies has evolved with age. Things we might have dismissed in our twenties—like collecting colognes or maintaining extensive movie libraries—now fascinate us. This growing appreciation reflects a broader maturity that comes with life experience.
Whether you're passionate about creative expression, skill-building, or simply finding moments of peace in a chaotic world, this conversation will inspire you to reflect on the activities that bring meaning to your life beyond work and responsibilities. Share your own hobby journey in the comments, and subscribe for new episodes every Thursday!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Brother, sister, whatever where real talk
meets zero chill.
I'm Lisa.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And I'm Josh Subscribe so you don't miss the
chaos and let's dive in.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
All right Hobbies.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hobbies.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's a recent hobby that you've?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
A recent hobby.
Oh, I just just just startedcollecting Dragon Ball Z cards.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
And my son is doing One Piece, so we're kind of
collecting together.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
What's One Piece?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
One Piece.
It's an anime there.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Oh, it's a okay.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
The Pirates there.
I'm sure your kids have watchedit, I don't know.
There's even a real show of iton Netflix now.
Really One Piece, it's reallygood.
I actually watched the showOkay.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'll have to check it out, jet is obsessed the anime.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
there's like 700 episodes or something.
He's on like 576.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
How long are they?
How long are the episodes like?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Probably 20, 30 minutes.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Oh, okay, wow, that's dedication.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, he loves it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So, okay, cool For me it's um, that's one of the
hobbies I've been doing.
Oh, you know what I've beendoing lately with the kids?
What Drawing.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh, no way.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Like art.
I used to take art in highschool.
I'm like drawing and stuff likethat and I I really I don't
know.
It's kind of peaceful and nice,but I wanted to also do
something with the kids, Kind oflike make it a twofer, but yeah
(01:37):
, it's really fun.
We found this Art for Kids hubon YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Oh cool.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And I've been doing different things.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
That's awesome, yeah, so it's kind of fun.
I like it.
Speaking of art there, my kids,they go with their mom to the
ceramic cafe.
Like all the time they bringcups and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
They bring their own stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I wonder if you can Sorry you bring home.
They bring home stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I just forgot what you were saying.
Yes, Sorry.
I was like oh, you could bringyour own cups, Because that
would definitely save money.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's so expensive, is it?
I don't know how much it is.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It's like I don't think I've spent less than $100.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Because it's not just're you're buying the
ceramic, but then you're alsobuying your time there, Right,
and like the paints and all ofthat.
Still, it's like, yeah, Duringthe pandemic they had a, a, like
a do it yourself at home kitthat you could buy.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It's been around for a while.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Oh yeah, oh wow yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I didn't even know about it until very recent.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's fun.
So hobbies, they aren't justlike time fillers.
They're how we explorecreativity, unwind and sometimes
even find our communities.
Today, we're going to dig intothe value of hobbies, why we
pick them and how they shape ouridentities.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Love it, so this is a fun one.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, how would you define a hobby?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Something I like to do.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay, so enjoyment.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Do you think skill has anything to do with it?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
But do you think you have to have skill in order to
have a hobby?
No, or enjoy a hobby.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I think that's also part of it.
You build the skills of thehobby you're into.
Right you get better at it.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah.
You know, what if you don't?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well then you suck, but you can still enjoy it.
Yeah, you can still.
You know, I mean, how manytimes do we hear stuff like that
?
I mean, I suck at it, but youknow, I love doing it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Or, like I mentioned the other day, the last episode
or something.
I think it was like knitting Ijust want to knit and I can't
seem to fucking get it.
That'll probably be.
If I stick with that.
That'll probably be a hobbythat's going to take me a while
to get a skill at, that's forsure.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Plus it takes forever just to do like the blankets
and stuff.
I know.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I was just aiming for like a little handkerchief or
something.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Fallon got one made from her mom and it took a year.
Wow, but it's nice.
It's a nice big, big blanket.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
She knows how to knit .
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, I'm jealous, yeah, but I mean, you know, she
just kind of started right andnow she's really good at it yeah
.
Because she's been doing it forthe whole year and now she just
started Jets Blanket Nice.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Let's start with our weekly what if?
What if you could only keep onehobby for the rest of your life
?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
What would it be and why Does fitness working out?
Is that a hobby?
Or is that like, because I feellike it's a necessity, but I
also feel like it's a hobby, butI also feel like sometimes it's
a pain in the ass.
So, like, what do you define?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Okay, so maybe it's different for everybody.
Okay, so maybe it's differentfor everybody.
But let's say, I think thatgoing to the gym would not be a
hobby.
Would not be a hobby.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
that you do or that you're interested in there where
it's like bodybuilding.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Bodybuilding could be a hobby, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
But that involves going to the gym.
I don't know.
I feel like going to the gym isa pretty.
Can you think of another hobby?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, because this is what I'm saying, like, if
you're telling me you know theweekly what if is, you know if
you can only pick one hobby, if,if, if working out is in that
category, then obviously I'mgoing to pick that because I
need to do it.
But if you told me but that'sthe thing.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Ah, ah, there, that's the word.
Need to do it.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, I need to do it .
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Okay, so it's not a need.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It's a want, it's a desire.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah.
So in that case then I wouldprobably say the only other
hobby that I really have is alittle bit of gaming here and
there.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
You know, like I mentioned the new hobby I just
got into, right, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
But but you wouldn't want to like.
If you could only pick onehobby for the rest of your life,
you probably wouldn't want tocollect.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I think it would be a little bit more
entertainment-wise.
Okay, Like the games, and youknow PS5, or like you know, the
computer.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Okay, so gaming for you.
Okay, that's cool.
Yeah, if I could only pick onehobby, I'm going to stick with
my art.
I actually kind of really likeit.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, I'm going to stick with or without the kids.
That's good.
Yeah, I'm going to stick withor without the kids, okay.
I would stick with that drawing, Love it Drawing specifically.
Yeah, Do you think that thesocial aspect is important with
a hobby?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yes and no, I mean, I guess it depends on the hobby,
right, yes and no, I mean, Iguess it depends on the hobby
right?
Um, you know, in, in, in, insenses of of me gaming, right,
it can go.
It can go, you know, from theleft to the right, because there
are plenty of games where it'sjust solo yep, just you, just
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you, that's it, that's all.
And then you have games that,like must be with other people.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Right, like the online community games and stuff
like that.
Exactly so you can have thebest of both worlds with that.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You can have the best of both worlds, you know.
So that's the great thing aboutthat hobby, right, and I mean
technically, most hobbies can goeither way.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Go either way, even reading books as hobbies.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, you'd have a book club, exactly, yeah, yeah,
it's true, it's true Same.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Like, so for me, with the art or drawing, it would be
like participating in an artclass.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah.
Would be the community orsocial aspect of it, or even
just a community of like postingyour art Right, of like posting
your art Right, and then peoplelike oh wow, I love it.
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah for sure.
So let's break down thedifferent aspects of hobbies.
Okay, okay.
So there's the creativeexpression, there's the skill
building, the social connectionand then the mental health
benefits.
So all of those things, okay,let's start with creative
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expression.
How can they help us tap intocreativity?
Do you want to stick with yourgaming or do you want to do a
more broad?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It'll depend on the category.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Okay If I were to stick with art or drawing.
I think that's prettyself-explanatory.
I mean it is creativity it iscreativity right.
Yeah yeah, you can draw endlessamount of things that exist or
don't exist.
You can make up your own.
It could be abstract, it couldbe so.
There's tons of creativity inthat.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, yeah, creativity in the games I think
is more on the style of gamesthat you kind of get into.
You know.
There's creativity in the sensethat you know, if you get
really good at that hobby youcould even be like a coach or
you can help other people, andso there's a lot of ways that I
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think creativity can come out ofit.
It can even create a businessout of it, you know, in the
sense of gaming.
I mean, look how much Twitchstreamers.
So to me that's creative Goingfrom man.
I really like this game to likehuh, I'm not bad, maybe people
will like watching me.
And then to me that's anotherform of art in many ways.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Oh yeah, for sure, riley is also a gamer, loves
playing games, and now he's intocreating his own games oh wow,
that's awesome you know writinghis own stories and creating
characters and all of that stuff, so it sparks creativity in him
big time.
(10:01):
I know it's huge it's insanesome of the ideas this kids wow
kids.
Wow Kids have.
Do you think?
All hobbies have to be creativethough.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
No.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I don't think so either.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I mean, you know, and I think it depends on where you
go with that hobby.
I mean, the first thing I thinkabout is my dad, our dad.
Yeah, you know, remember backin the day the little comics he
used to make, and it was for noone, it was just for him.
It was just for him and it wasfor, like the buddies at work
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and they'd laugh about it orwhatever.
But like fuck man, like dadcould have.
If he had even just an ounce ofentrepreneurship, man he could
have taken.
I think he could have went farwith that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You kidding me?
Everything goes back toentrepreneurship for you.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
No, but it's true, you know, I think you could, I
think he could have, like,literally made art for tattoo
artists.
I think he could have made alot of things you know with,
with how artistic he was.
You know, I I did not get thatfucking skill.
No, Fuck, no man.
But, you know I make stick, menthat's as far as I go.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, but we kind of discussed a little bit like you
don't necessarily need the skill, but the more that you do it.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, it doesn't interest me though.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Okay, but that's the thing right.
So, therein lies the problem ordifference whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
But like that is something that was creative,
yeah, and a big hobby in someways of his um.
But again, it's just that tothe point of what you were
saying.
you know, it's like some peopleit's like I'm fine with just
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doing that and then that's it,that's all, like I don't want to
turn into a business right howmany people or at least I hear
that often because because again, always in the entrepreneurship
mindset there but someone willmake like crazy good cookies or
something you know.
I'll be like holy shit, I'mlike you should fucking open up
a goddamn bakery or somethingyou know, and it's like, ah, but
then it won't be fun.
You know, and, and and I guessyou could look at that in any
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aspect you could be doing yourart and you love it, and then
you turn it into a business andthen all of a sudden you're like
, oh fuck, I have to do it now.
So there's a difference fromhaving to and wanting to.
Same thing with streamersstreamers have to go on and
fucking stream well, if theywant it to be successful and do
something.
Exactly.
I'm sure there's tons ofstreamers or people that post,
(12:42):
who are like hobbyists in asense, where it's like I go on
once a month and I stream.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Of course yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
One person's following them.
But yeah, that's okay, justlike us, yeah, just like us,
yeah, just like us.
We have one follower, I think,right.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
No, I think we're at three now.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Oh shit, Okay Guys, did you hear that?
Three followers.
Please spread the word.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Do all okay, so do all the hobbies need to be
creative?
I'm trying to actually think ofa hobby that's not necessarily
creative, Like reading a book isconsidered a hobby, but you
can't really be creative withthat, could you Not really?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I don't know.
Couldn't we argue that readinga book or sorry, the hobby is
reading?
Couldn't we say that the mindmust be creative, like the
person's mind must be creative.
I feel like people who read youknow, I find them so fucking
intelligent and like those artpeople who do, like the crazy,
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like you know, the big, you know, and it's like all just like
blobs of paint everywhere.
It's just like wow, like youknow, they're so smart, you know
, they're so intelligent, youknow.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Well, they're tapping into a part of their brain.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
That's it.
The creative, the creative,that's it right.
So, like these people that readbooks I don't know man, I don't
know if we could just countthem out, because I feel like a
lot of these people who,especially, read a lot, like
it's their hobby, fuck man, arethey ever intelligent?
Like I find that their brain isjust like something else.
So I don't know, I feel likethat's considered creativity.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So what you're saying then and correct me if I'm
wrong is that essentially, it'sthe person that's doing the
hobby, as opposed to just thehobby.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So like the brain of the person doing the hobby,
whether they're tapped intotheir creativity or their
whatever then therefore makesthe hobby creative or not
creative.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Okay, okay, skill building Learning a new skill
versus enjoying the process.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well, you can do both .
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Is the goal of a hobby to get better at it.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
No Right.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
No, I don't think so.
I think the goal of the hobbyis to Love it.
Love it, but also to it has torespond to whatever it is that
you are seeking.
Yeah, in a way that feeling offinishing something, that
feeling of comfort, the feeling,of.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
there's plenty of feelings.
I feel like that can get mixedup, though.
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Plenty of feelings, I feel like that can get mixed up
though.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
What do you mean?
I feel like that can get mixedup with escape, and escape could
be good, but escape can also bevery bad.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Give me an example my hobby, the games.
Oh, I will go to anotheruniverse in my head, and it's
because I'm trying to escapereality.
And so you know, there's, Ithink, a fine line between this
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is a hobby and this is somethingyou love versus like just
trying to escape my reality justtrying to escape reality, where
it's like you almost areconsumed by it.
And I think you know somehobbies.
People are consumed by them,you know, and for sure,
especially in my younger years,that was definitely me, you know
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, and so yeah, I remember thatyou kind of mix hobby and you
know, or at least you could bemixing.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Okay, like what?
If you suck at your hobby,should you stick to it?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Again, I think if you love it, you're going to stick
to it.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah.
You know, how hobbies can bringpeople together.
There's the social connection.
Have you made friends through ahobby?
There you go.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Online friends right connection.
Have you made friends through ahobby?
There you go for sure.
Online friends right.
I remember when we were youngeryou were really, really, really
into what was it ultima onlineoh my god, yeah at the time,
yeah, and it was like you werealways in your room yeah, I got
so freaking good at that game.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, and now, like my gaming experience is really
just like you know half an hour,45 minutes of call of duty on
PS5.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
And now it's and it actually has nothing to do with
social interaction anymore,because I don't talk to anyone,
I just go on, I shoot people andthen, you know, I go on with my
day.
Yeah, now I'm really hyperfocused on all the other things
in life.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Do you think that your hobbies, or the way or the
amount of the way that you havehobbies, the amount of time you
put into your hobbies, haschanged since kids?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Of course, right, I think.
I think that's kind ofinevitable.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
For sure, but also I feel like the hobby slash
addiction has changed altogetherbecause I stopped.
Because you have differentpriorities, Different priorities
you know, but like an addictionis an addiction right Like you
can have kids and still beaddicted to fucking coke.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
You know what I mean though.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So like the addiction is still there if I allow it to
take over right, like if I, ifI do the drug very easily, easy
to like, get back into that kindof exactly and I don't, I don't
.
You know I don't, because I'vealways said that I have a very
addictive personality.
You know, I I play my littleCall of Duty.
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I've somehow managed to controlPS5.
You know what I mean?
Yep, it's like I have controlPC online community, that's your
spot.
That's where I get trapped.
I think it's something to dowith my shitty life in my mind
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at the time and how it made mejust feel incredible Escapism.
Yeah, exactly, and I think thatthat's a very dangerous place
to be.
It's something that I thinkabout Jet often, you know,
because Jet can be misunderstoodand he has a hobby, like me,
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which is the games, and he'sreally good at them.
So again, him kind of goinginto that place.
But we have to have a fewconversations when he starts
getting into computers you know,but yeah, and I don't want to,
you know, not allow him to dothose things.
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I just want him to kind ofbecause I didn't know those
things, like I didn't know that,I didn't know that it was
taking me away.
You know, you only know thatnow because of, well, you know,
self-help and realizing whatthat actually did, and you start
noticing that everything has aconnection to why, versus when
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you're young, you're just like,yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You know, like it's just something I love, yeah, so
yeah, yeah, I think that I canunderstand that, though, like
that form of escapism, and howit can be very addicting.
Like I loved reading books.
I was always reading books as akid and it was like I was in
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the book.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, and I was living withthese characters and living
these stories with like onecould you know.
One could say, oh, you haveimagination or whatever, and
yeah, I'm sure that's part of ittoo.
But there's like a very fineline sometimes you know, between
wanting to like or sorry,between enjoying a book or
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enjoying an activity or whateverit is.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And having it like consume and almost become, in a
way, like your reality.
It's really, yeah, not everyhobby can do that.
I don't know if knitting coulddo something like that, but yeah
, there's some.
There's like little tricky,tricky spots, I think.
Yeah, so health benefits andhow, like the role that hobbies
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play in, like relaxation andmindfulness, and has a hobby
ever helped you through a toughtime or can having too many?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
hobbies become overwhelming.
I think that just coincideswith what I just said about
escape.
Yeah, I think that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
But it's not helping you through a tough time, it's
just.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
You're coping, but theoretically that's helping.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, you're coping, you're using it, but
theoretically that's helping.
Yeah, you're coping.
You're using it as a copingmechanism.
Maybe Exactly, Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So, and not saying that that's healthy, but just to
say that like I guess it cantechnically go both ways.
Yeah, you know, in that sense,and that's the difference, it's
about figuring out that thatgood zone, right.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
What about you when you are doing your art?
What do you feel?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
It makes me feel relaxed.
It taps in to a little bit oflike that creative side of my
brain which, for myself inparticular, I feel like I
haven't really dabbled in for awhile, and it's nice to kind of.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I feel almost like a freshness.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean yeah,because you know I just got,
even though they hurt as hell,um, but like I just got into
massages and uh, you know,because of all the working out
and everything, and thatfreshness that you're talking
about, I'm just kind ofcomparing it because in the
sense of like, not that it's ahobby, but just in the sense of
like how you feel when you getout of a massage, or how you
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feel when you're using a stressball, or how you feel like you
know, like oh, okay, I played mygame.
Like I feel good.
Okay, I played my game.
Like I feel good, like I feelrecharged.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
It's all little tools , almost to kind of like
replenish you right, exactlyyeah.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
So that's what you're saying.
The art is doing.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
It's kind of giving you this freshness.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, and no matter what I'm doing in that creative
headspace.
So, like I'm saying right now,art, because that's one of my
favorite things.
But I've also done, you know,some little diamond painting
kits or I've dabbled in, youknow, writing, again like
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creative writing, short storiesor poems, which I was like.
It takes me back to a time whenI was younger younger because I
did all of those things when Iwas younger.
So it makes me feel like, okay,I haven't lost all of these
parts of myself that have kindof been dormant for a while,
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which makes that, in and ofitself, makes me feel that spark
, hobby hot takes.
Should hobbies stay hobbies oris it cool to turn them into
jobs?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yes or no?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I think it's cool to turn them into jobs.
Okay, I knew you would say that, Mr Entrepreneur over there,
I'm going to say in the middleyes, no.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You just said yes or no.
You looked at me and you saidyes or no, so you said I
couldn't do the middle.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Okay, fine.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
So I'm'm gonna say hobbies should stay hobbies okay
, why do you think they shouldstay hobbies?
Because of the enjoyment right?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
yes okay, let's, let's just have some things that
are just purely for enjoyment.
Going back to your point Sorry.
No, but going back to yourpoint about how your brain works
and how okay you're doing theseDragon Ball Z cards and how you
can't help but think about allof these things, right that in
and of itself, there's nothingwrong with that.
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Have you done it?
You're not going to act onevery single thing.
A thought is a thought, right?
You're not going to act onevery single hobby and make it a
job.
You might think about it, butthat doesn't mean you're going
to do it.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I typically do.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Oh, you're killing me .
I'm trying to make a point here.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
My point is is that like?
So you see my brain justautomatically goes there
automatically goes there.
And so now it's like okay, I got, I bought one fricking pack of
of Dragon Ball cards and I gotone pack of my son's one piece
cards that he wanted.
And already I'm thinking like Iwonder how much of these
tournaments make.
I don't even know how to playthe fucking game yet, but I'm
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like I wonder if, like, theymake a lot of money.
You know, like, so you know,and I'm I'm like I wonder if
they make a lot of money.
You know, so you know, and I'mthere asking chat, gpt, like
what's the most expensive DragonBall card?
You know what packs can I buy?
But but, but, but you know, I'mso.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
My gosh.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's my brain.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
That's your brain, that's how it?
Works, collecting, harmless fun, or just organized hoarding.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I don't know how to describe that.
I'm not good at organizinganything, so you're going to say
harmless fun.
Harmless fun.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Okay, you.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Are you a hoarder?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
No, I'm not a hoarder , but I look at that kind of a
thing like collecting.
Oh you know what?
I can't do that Like teacups orsomething.
I cannot do that because Icollect some things.
It's just coming to me now.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
What do you collect?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Okay, you're going to laugh at me, but you see those
little Spider-Man cases overthere.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I used to collect the little beanies.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Okay, and they're up there now collecting dust.
Grayson I live vicariouslythrough Grayson and we collect
little mini squishmallow or likethe little durables.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Fallon man with the squishables, right Squishmallows
, can we collect those?
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So I guess, because I would listen, my adult brain
that was going to say it'sorganized hoarding.
But I can't do that now,because now I'm calling myself a
hoarder.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
You are.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So I'm going to say harmless fun, okay, skill-based
hobbies versus relaxing hobbies,which are better for mental
health.
I don't think there's adifference.
I think it depends on theperson.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
It 100% depends on the person, Because I know that
I can play a game like Call ofDuty and that relaxes me and I
know and that Duty and thatrelaxes me.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And I know, and that would do the opposite for me.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Exactly the person next to me is like oh my God,
that's so stressful.
I just want to play my jewelgame or whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Tetris or something yeah you know.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
So, yeah, it's definitely different, for sure,
per person.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Ooh, okay, this one Expensive hobbies worth the
money or unnecessary?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Well, I mean, the card thing that I'm just getting
into right now is a lot offucking money.
I mean, those cards are notcheap.
So you know, I guess it alldepends.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yep, it depends on your means.
I don't think it's necessary tohave a hobby that is expensive,
but if you do have one, thenall the more power to you, good
for you.
And if you can afford it andyou enjoy it, then who am I?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And you know, I guess it's about perspective too.
You know, because I justthought of it.
It's like, okay, you know I'mcomplaining that the packs of
cards are too expensive, but avideo game is $90.
Right, so I mean $90 can getyou quite a bit of cards.
So I guess it's aboutperspective.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, at the end of the day and if you enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, because like how many games do I buy?
I don't buy many.
But then you know, now it's noteven about buying the game.
You games do I buy?
I don't buy many.
But then you know, now it's noteven about buying the game.
You buy the game, then it's thebattle pass, it's the skins,
it's all that other shit, youknow that you want.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
That's so annoying.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Well, it's annoying, but also it's something that,
like, gamers, just thrive off of.
You know they love it.
They love it, Including me.
So I guess, yeah, I guess, whenyou look at it like that card,
you know I get a perspective,Perspective.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
See, okay, it's a little side note, brawl.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Stars.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Riley loves it, yeah, and actually they're always
trying to get me.
My kids are always trying toget me to play these games and
I'm just like I don't't.
But this one I actually findquite interesting.
It's fun.
So I play with him sometimes,but I'm clearly like level two.
He's like level 400, you know,like whatever.
They're always, uh, sellingthese like a brawl star passes
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and like exclusive skins and I'mjust like who gives a shit what
t-shirt you're wearing in yourcharacter on the iPad?
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I don't get it, but forhim it's, it's a big deal, yeah,
okay, is there a hobby trendsthat you just don't get?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You know, I think if you asked me this 20 years ago,
I would probably say yeah, a lotof stuff, um, but nowadays,
like no, I I actually lovefinding out what people are into
I do too you know like yourhusband is into colognes right
(30:33):
yes, he collects colognes andsee if, if you would have asked
me about that when I was like 20, yeah, I'd be like like what,
like why?
Why would I collect colognes?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
but now I think it's so cool, you know like, well,
when I, when I met him yeah, Ididn't, I didn't understand it.
I was just like wow, that's,that's interesting.
But but now I actuallyappreciate it with him like, and
he has such a there's something, this, this has a scent of
cigars and oak wood and you'relike okay, you know, like, wow,
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interesting.
Like he just he has such aknowledge and appreciation for
it that you can't help butappreciate it as well.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, and that I'm into now way more as I got older
.
Remember Blockbuster?
Yeah, you know, like moviebuffs, we were all like pretty
much movie buffs, yes, but Inever had a collection like like
you guys had, you know, ofmovies and stuff, and so that's
another thing where, back in theday, I would be like, well, I
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work at Blockbuster Like why,why am I gonna buy the movies
and like have like 5 000 movies?
Like I'm just gonna like getthe movie, play it and then like
bring it back yeah you knowversus now.
You know it's kind of cool, youknow seeing like all the movies
and it's like, oh shit.
You know like it brings backmemories and this and that you
know what I mean so this is likea fraction of the stuff that we
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have like this doesn't evencount, you know, but to that
question, I think it's alsoabout age and I think there's a
lot of factors that go into that.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I agree, and I think too that as I've gotten older,
I've gotten less judgmentalabout other people's like things
that I wouldn't have thoughtabout, and I'm like oh my gosh.
And I'll say like, wow, I neverwould have thought that that's
a hobby, but not as a judgment,more of a.
That's really cool and I wantto see like what that's about.
Kind of.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Thing.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Like does that work for me?
Does that, would I likesomething like that yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, I think I'd become way less judgmental in
those scenarios as well.
Yeah, well, like.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I mean, just even what.
Was it the last episode orwhatever, when we were like
talking about our perception ofolder people, like getting older
and stuff.
Or like gardening.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
You know like gardening was such a like oh,
but like what a delightful hobbygardening is.
So, to wrap things up a littlebit, Josh, is there perhaps a
hobby that you would like to trynext?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Something that you haven't tried before that's of
interest to you.
I actually think I would liketo get into some colognes.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, Okay, cool Well you'll have to talk to James.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Get some insight there.
I'd like to do something moreof a physical activity as a
hobby, okay, like maybe yoga.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
It's so crazy.
You say that because I havebeen looking into doing yoga.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, Because apparently for the stretching
and which I'm in so much pain ingeneral just from trying to do
this bodybuilding thing, I'vebeen actually really considering
yoga.
I guess I didn't look at itlike a hobby.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
All right Hobbies.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hobbies.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's a recent hobby that you've?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
A recent hobby.
Oh, I just just just startedcollecting Dragon Ball Z cards.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
And my son is doing One Piece, so we're kind of
collecting together.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
What's One Piece?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
One Piece.
It's an anime there.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Oh, it's a okay.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
The Pirates there.
I'm sure your kids have watchedit, I don't know.
There's even a real show of iton Netflix now.
Really One Piece, it's reallygood.
I actually watched the showOkay.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'll have to check it out, jet is obsessed the anime.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
there's like 700 episodes or something.
He's on like 576.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
How long are they?
How long are the episodes like?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Probably 20, 30 minutes.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Oh, okay, wow, that's dedication.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, he loves it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So, okay, cool For me it's um, that's one of the
hobbies I've been doing.
Oh, you know what I've beendoing lately with the kids?
What Drawing.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh, no way.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Like art.
I used to take art in highschool.
I'm like drawing and stuff likethat and I I really I don't
know.
It's kind of peaceful and nice,but I wanted to also do
something with the kids, Kind oflike make it a twofer, but yeah
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, it's really fun.
We found this Art for Kids hubon YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Oh cool.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And I've been doing different things.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
That's awesome, yeah, so it's kind of fun.
I like it.
Speaking of art there, my kids,they go with their mom to the
ceramic cafe.
Like all the time they bringcups and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
They bring their own stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I wonder if you can Sorry you bring home.
They bring home stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I just forgot what you were saying.
Yes, Sorry.
I was like oh, you could bringyour own cups, Because that
would definitely save money.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's so expensive, is it?
I don't know how much it is.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It's like I don't think I've spent less than $100.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Because it's not just're you're buying the
ceramic, but then you're alsobuying your time there, Right,
and like the paints and all ofthat.
Still, it's like, yeah, Duringthe pandemic they had a, a, like
a do it yourself at home kitthat you could buy.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It's been around for a while.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Oh yeah, oh wow yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I didn't even know about it until very recent.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's fun.
So hobbies, they aren't justlike time fillers.
They're how we explorecreativity, unwind and sometimes
even find our communities.
Today, we're going to dig intothe value of hobbies, why we
pick them and how they shape ouridentities.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Love it, so this is a fun one.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, how would you define a hobby?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Something I like to do.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay, so enjoyment.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Do you think skill has anything to do with it?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
But do you think you have to have skill in order to
have a hobby?
No, or enjoy a hobby.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I think that's also part of it.
You build the skills of thehobby you're into.
Right you get better at it.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah.
You know, what if you don't?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well then you suck, but you can still enjoy it.
Yeah, you can still.
You know, I mean, how manytimes do we hear stuff like that
?
I mean, I suck at it, but youknow, I love doing it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Or, like I mentioned the other day, the last episode
or something.
I think it was like knitting Ijust want to knit and I can't
seem to fucking get it.
That'll probably be.
If I stick with that.
That'll probably be a hobbythat's going to take me a while
to get a skill at, that's forsure.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Plus it takes forever just to do like the blankets
and stuff.
I know.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I was just aiming for like a little handkerchief or
something.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Fallon got one made from her mom and it took a year.
Wow, but it's nice.
It's a nice big, big blanket.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
She knows how to knit .
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, I'm jealous, yeah, but I mean, you know, she
just kind of started right andnow she's really good at it yeah
.
Because she's been doing it forthe whole year and now she just
started Jets Blanket Nice.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Let's start with our weekly what if?
What if you could only keep onehobby for the rest of your life
?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
What would it be and why Does fitness working out?
Is that a hobby?
Or is that like, because I feellike it's a necessity, but I
also feel like it's a hobby, butI also feel like sometimes it's
a pain in the ass.
So, like, what do you define?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Okay, so maybe it's different for everybody.
Okay, so maybe it's differentfor everybody.
But let's say, I think thatgoing to the gym would not be a
hobby.
Would not be a hobby.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
that you do or that you're interested in there where
it's like bodybuilding.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Bodybuilding could be a hobby, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
But that involves going to the gym.
I don't know.
I feel like going to the gym isa pretty.
Can you think of another hobby?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, because this is what I'm saying, like, if
you're telling me you know theweekly what if is, you know if
you can only pick one hobby, if,if, if working out is in that
category, then obviously I'mgoing to pick that because I
need to do it.
But if you told me but that'sthe thing.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Ah, ah, there, that's the word.
Need to do it.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, I need to do it .
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Okay, so it's not a need.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It's a want, it's a desire.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah.
So in that case then I wouldprobably say the only other
hobby that I really have is alittle bit of gaming here and
there.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
You know, like I mentioned the new hobby I just
got into, right, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
But but you wouldn't want to like.
If you could only pick onehobby for the rest of your life,
you probably wouldn't want tocollect.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I think it would be a little bit more
entertainment-wise.
Okay, Like the games, and youknow PS5, or like you know, the
computer.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Okay, so gaming for you.
Okay, that's cool.
Yeah, if I could only pick onehobby, I'm going to stick with
my art.
I actually kind of really likeit.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, I'm going to stick with or without the kids.
That's good.
Yeah, I'm going to stick withor without the kids, okay.
I would stick with that drawing, Love it Drawing specifically.
Yeah, Do you think that thesocial aspect is important with
a hobby?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yes and no, I mean, I guess it depends on the hobby,
right, yes and no, I mean, Iguess it depends on the hobby
right?
Um, you know, in, in, in, insenses of of me gaming, right,
it can go.
It can go, you know, from theleft to the right, because there
are plenty of games where it'sjust solo yep, just you, just
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you, that's it, that's all.
And then you have games that,like must be with other people.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Right, like the online community games and stuff
like that.
Exactly so you can have thebest of both worlds with that.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You can have the best of both worlds, you know.
So that's the great thing aboutthat hobby, right, and I mean
technically, most hobbies can goeither way.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Go either way, even reading books as hobbies.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, you'd have a book club, exactly, yeah, yeah,
it's true, it's true Same.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Like, so for me, with the art or drawing, it would be
like participating in an artclass.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah.
Would be the community orsocial aspect of it, or even
just a community of like postingyour art Right, of like posting
your art Right, and then peoplelike oh wow, I love it.
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah for sure.
So let's break down thedifferent aspects of hobbies.
Okay, okay.
So there's the creativeexpression, there's the skill
building, the social connectionand then the mental health
benefits.
So all of those things, okay,let's start with creative
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expression.
How can they help us tap intocreativity?
Do you want to stick with yourgaming or do you want to do a
more broad?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It'll depend on the category.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Okay If I were to stick with art or drawing.
I think that's prettyself-explanatory.
I mean it is creativity it iscreativity right.
Yeah yeah, you can draw endlessamount of things that exist or
don't exist.
You can make up your own.
It could be abstract, it couldbe so.
There's tons of creativity inthat.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, yeah, creativity in the games I think
is more on the style of gamesthat you kind of get into.
You know.
There's creativity in the sensethat you know, if you get
really good at that hobby youcould even be like a coach or
you can help other people, andso there's a lot of ways that I
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think creativity can come out ofit.
It can even create a businessout of it, you know, in the
sense of gaming.
I mean, look how much Twitchstreamers.
So to me that's creative Goingfrom man.
I really like this game to likehuh, I'm not bad, maybe people
will like watching me.
And then to me that's anotherform of art in many ways.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Oh yeah, for sure, riley is also a gamer, loves
playing games, and now he's intocreating his own games oh wow,
that's awesome you know writinghis own stories and creating
characters and all of that stuff, so it sparks creativity in him
big time.
(10:01):
I know it's huge it's insanesome of the ideas this kids wow
kids.
Wow Kids have.
Do you think?
All hobbies have to be creativethough.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
No.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I don't think so either.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I mean, you know, and I think it depends on where you
go with that hobby.
I mean, the first thing I thinkabout is my dad, our dad.
Yeah, you know, remember backin the day the little comics he
used to make, and it was for noone, it was just for him.
It was just for him and it wasfor, like the buddies at work
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and they'd laugh about it orwhatever.
But like fuck man, like dadcould have.
If he had even just an ounce ofentrepreneurship, man he could
have taken.
I think he could have went farwith that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You kidding me?
Everything goes back toentrepreneurship for you.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
No, but it's true, you know, I think you could, I
think he could have, like,literally made art for tattoo
artists.
I think he could have made alot of things you know with,
with how artistic he was.
You know, I I did not get thatfucking skill.
No, Fuck, no man.
But, you know I make stick, menthat's as far as I go.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, but we kind of discussed a little bit like you
don't necessarily need the skill, but the more that you do it.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, it doesn't interest me though.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Okay, but that's the thing right.
So, therein lies the problem ordifference whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
But like that is something that was creative,
yeah, and a big hobby in someways of his um.
But again, it's just that tothe point of what you were
saying.
you know, it's like some peopleit's like I'm fine with just
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doing that and then that's it,that's all, like I don't want to
turn into a business right howmany people or at least I hear
that often because because again, always in the entrepreneurship
mindset there but someone willmake like crazy good cookies or
something you know.
I'll be like holy shit, I'mlike you should fucking open up
a goddamn bakery or somethingyou know, and it's like, ah, but
then it won't be fun.
You know, and, and and I guessyou could look at that in any
(12:20):
aspect you could be doing yourart and you love it, and then
you turn it into a business andthen all of a sudden you're like
, oh fuck, I have to do it now.
So there's a difference fromhaving to and wanting to.
Same thing with streamersstreamers have to go on and
fucking stream well, if theywant it to be successful and do
something.
Exactly.
I'm sure there's tons ofstreamers or people that post,
(12:42):
who are like hobbyists in asense, where it's like I go on
once a month and I stream.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Of course yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
One person's following them.
But yeah, that's okay, justlike us, yeah, just like us,
yeah, just like us.
We have one follower, I think,right.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
No, I think we're at three now.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Oh shit, Okay Guys, did you hear that?
Three followers.
Please spread the word.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Do all okay, so do all the hobbies need to be
creative?
I'm trying to actually think ofa hobby that's not necessarily
creative, Like reading a book isconsidered a hobby, but you
can't really be creative withthat, could you Not really?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I don't know.
Couldn't we argue that readinga book or sorry, the hobby is
reading?
Couldn't we say that the mindmust be creative, like the
person's mind must be creative.
I feel like people who read youknow, I find them so fucking
intelligent and like those artpeople who do, like the crazy,
(13:38):
like you know, the big, you know, and it's like all just like
blobs of paint everywhere.
It's just like wow, like youknow, they're so smart, you know
, they're so intelligent, youknow.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Well, they're tapping into a part of their brain.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
That's it.
The creative, the creative,that's it right.
So, like these people that readbooks I don't know man, I don't
know if we could just countthem out, because I feel like a
lot of these people who,especially, read a lot, like
it's their hobby, fuck man, arethey ever intelligent?
Like I find that their brain isjust like something else.
So I don't know, I feel likethat's considered creativity.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So what you're saying then and correct me if I'm
wrong is that essentially, it'sthe person that's doing the
hobby, as opposed to just thehobby.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So like the brain of the person doing the hobby,
whether they're tapped intotheir creativity or their
whatever then therefore makesthe hobby creative or not
creative.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Okay, okay, skill building Learning a new skill
versus enjoying the process.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well, you can do both .
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Is the goal of a hobby to get better at it.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
No Right.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
No, I don't think so.
I think the goal of the hobbyis to Love it.
Love it, but also to it has torespond to whatever it is that
you are seeking.
Yeah, in a way that feeling offinishing something, that
feeling of comfort, the feeling,of.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
there's plenty of feelings.
I feel like that can get mixedup, though.
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Plenty of feelings, I feel like that can get mixed up
though.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
What do you mean?
I feel like that can get mixedup with escape, and escape could
be good, but escape can also bevery bad.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Give me an example my hobby, the games.
Oh, I will go to anotheruniverse in my head, and it's
because I'm trying to escapereality.
And so you know, there's, Ithink, a fine line between this
(15:47):
is a hobby and this is somethingyou love versus like just
trying to escape my reality justtrying to escape reality, where
it's like you almost areconsumed by it.
And I think you know somehobbies.
People are consumed by them,you know, and for sure,
especially in my younger years,that was definitely me, you know
(16:08):
, and so yeah, I remember thatyou kind of mix hobby and you
know, or at least you could bemixing.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Okay, like what?
If you suck at your hobby,should you stick to it?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Again, I think if you love it, you're going to stick
to it.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah.
You know, how hobbies can bringpeople together.
There's the social connection.
Have you made friends through ahobby?
There you go.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Online friends right connection.
Have you made friends through ahobby?
There you go for sure.
Online friends right.
I remember when we were youngeryou were really, really, really
into what was it ultima onlineoh my god, yeah at the time,
yeah, and it was like you werealways in your room yeah, I got
so freaking good at that game.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, and now, like my gaming experience is really
just like you know half an hour,45 minutes of call of duty on
PS5.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
And now it's and it actually has nothing to do with
social interaction anymore,because I don't talk to anyone,
I just go on, I shoot people andthen, you know, I go on with my
day.
Yeah, now I'm really hyperfocused on all the other things
in life.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Do you think that your hobbies, or the way or the
amount of the way that you havehobbies, the amount of time you
put into your hobbies, haschanged since kids?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Of course, right, I think.
I think that's kind ofinevitable.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
For sure, but also I feel like the hobby slash
addiction has changed altogetherbecause I stopped.
Because you have differentpriorities, Different priorities
you know, but like an addictionis an addiction right Like you
can have kids and still beaddicted to fucking coke.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
You know what I mean though.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So like the addiction is still there if I allow it to
take over right, like if I, ifI do the drug very easily, easy
to like, get back into that kindof exactly and I don't, I don't
.
You know I don't, because I'vealways said that I have a very
addictive personality.
You know, I I play my littleCall of Duty.
(18:16):
I've somehow managed to controlPS5.
You know what I mean?
Yep, it's like I have controlPC online community, that's your
spot.
That's where I get trapped.
I think it's something to dowith my shitty life in my mind
(18:41):
at the time and how it made mejust feel incredible Escapism.
Yeah, exactly, and I think thatthat's a very dangerous place
to be.
It's something that I thinkabout Jet often, you know,
because Jet can be misunderstoodand he has a hobby, like me,
(19:04):
which is the games, and he'sreally good at them.
So again, him kind of goinginto that place.
But we have to have a fewconversations when he starts
getting into computers you know,but yeah, and I don't want to,
you know, not allow him to dothose things.
(19:25):
I just want him to kind ofbecause I didn't know those
things, like I didn't know that,I didn't know that it was
taking me away.
You know, you only know thatnow because of, well, you know,
self-help and realizing whatthat actually did, and you start
noticing that everything has aconnection to why, versus when
(19:49):
you're young, you're just like,yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You know, like it's just something I love, yeah, so
yeah, yeah, I think that I canunderstand that, though, like
that form of escapism, and howit can be very addicting.
Like I loved reading books.
I was always reading books as akid and it was like I was in
(20:22):
the book.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, and I was living withthese characters and living
these stories with like onecould you know.
One could say, oh, you haveimagination or whatever, and
yeah, I'm sure that's part of ittoo.
But there's like a very fineline sometimes you know, between
wanting to like or sorry,between enjoying a book or
(20:43):
enjoying an activity or whateverit is.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And having it like consume and almost become, in a
way, like your reality.
It's really, yeah, not everyhobby can do that.
I don't know if knitting coulddo something like that, but yeah
, there's some.
There's like little tricky,tricky spots, I think.
Yeah, so health benefits andhow, like the role that hobbies
(21:09):
play in, like relaxation andmindfulness, and has a hobby
ever helped you through a toughtime or can having too many?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
hobbies become overwhelming.
I think that just coincideswith what I just said about
escape.
Yeah, I think that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
But it's not helping you through a tough time, it's
just.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
You're coping, but theoretically that's helping.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, you're coping, you're using it, but
theoretically that's helping.
Yeah, you're coping.
You're using it as a copingmechanism.
Maybe Exactly, Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So, and not saying that that's healthy, but just to
say that like I guess it cantechnically go both ways.
Yeah, you know, in that sense,and that's the difference, it's
about figuring out that thatgood zone, right.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
What about you when you are doing your art?
What do you feel?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
It makes me feel relaxed.
It taps in to a little bit oflike that creative side of my
brain which, for myself inparticular, I feel like I
haven't really dabbled in for awhile, and it's nice to kind of.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I feel almost like a freshness.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean yeah,because you know I just got,
even though they hurt as hell,um, but like I just got into
massages and uh, you know,because of all the working out
and everything, and thatfreshness that you're talking
about, I'm just kind ofcomparing it because in the
sense of like, not that it's ahobby, but just in the sense of
like how you feel when you getout of a massage, or how you
(22:54):
feel when you're using a stressball, or how you feel like you
know, like oh, okay, I played mygame.
Like I feel good.
Okay, I played my game.
Like I feel good, like I feelrecharged.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
It's all little tools , almost to kind of like
replenish you right, exactlyyeah.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
So that's what you're saying.
The art is doing.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
It's kind of giving you this freshness.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, and no matter what I'm doing in that creative
headspace.
So, like I'm saying right now,art, because that's one of my
favorite things.
But I've also done, you know,some little diamond painting
kits or I've dabbled in, youknow, writing, again like
(23:32):
creative writing, short storiesor poems, which I was like.
It takes me back to a time whenI was younger younger because I
did all of those things when Iwas younger.
So it makes me feel like, okay,I haven't lost all of these
parts of myself that have kindof been dormant for a while,
(23:55):
which makes that, in and ofitself, makes me feel that spark
, hobby hot takes.
Should hobbies stay hobbies oris it cool to turn them into
jobs?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yes or no?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I think it's cool to turn them into jobs.
Okay, I knew you would say that, Mr Entrepreneur over there,
I'm going to say in the middleyes, no.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You just said yes or no.
You looked at me and you saidyes or no, so you said I
couldn't do the middle.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Okay, fine.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
So I'm'm gonna say hobbies should stay hobbies okay
, why do you think they shouldstay hobbies?
Because of the enjoyment right?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
yes okay, let's, let's just have some things that
are just purely for enjoyment.
Going back to your point Sorry.
No, but going back to yourpoint about how your brain works
and how okay you're doing theseDragon Ball Z cards and how you
can't help but think about allof these things, right that in
and of itself, there's nothingwrong with that.
(24:57):
Have you done it?
You're not going to act onevery single thing.
A thought is a thought, right?
You're not going to act onevery single hobby and make it a
job.
You might think about it, butthat doesn't mean you're going
to do it.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I typically do.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Oh, you're killing me .
I'm trying to make a point here.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
My point is is that like?
So you see my brain justautomatically goes there
automatically goes there.
And so now it's like okay, I got, I bought one fricking pack of
of Dragon Ball cards and I gotone pack of my son's one piece
cards that he wanted.
And already I'm thinking like Iwonder how much of these
tournaments make.
I don't even know how to playthe fucking game yet, but I'm
(25:36):
like I wonder if, like, theymake a lot of money.
You know, like, so you know,and I'm I'm like I wonder if
they make a lot of money.
You know, so you know, and I'mthere asking chat, gpt, like
what's the most expensive DragonBall card?
You know what packs can I buy?
But but, but, but you know, I'mso.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
My gosh.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's my brain.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
That's your brain, that's how it?
Works, collecting, harmless fun, or just organized hoarding.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I don't know how to describe that.
I'm not good at organizinganything, so you're going to say
harmless fun.
Harmless fun.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Okay, you.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Are you a hoarder?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
No, I'm not a hoarder , but I look at that kind of a
thing like collecting.
Oh you know what?
I can't do that Like teacups orsomething.
I cannot do that because Icollect some things.
It's just coming to me now.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
What do you collect?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Okay, you're going to laugh at me, but you see those
little Spider-Man cases overthere.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I used to collect the little beanies.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Okay, and they're up there now collecting dust.
Grayson I live vicariouslythrough Grayson and we collect
little mini squishmallow or likethe little durables.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Fallon man with the squishables, right Squishmallows
, can we collect those?
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So I guess, because I would listen, my adult brain
that was going to say it'sorganized hoarding.
But I can't do that now,because now I'm calling myself a
hoarder.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
You are.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So I'm going to say harmless fun, okay, skill-based
hobbies versus relaxing hobbies,which are better for mental
health.
I don't think there's adifference.
I think it depends on theperson.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
It 100% depends on the person, Because I know that
I can play a game like Call ofDuty and that relaxes me and I
know and that Duty and thatrelaxes me.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And I know, and that would do the opposite for me.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Exactly the person next to me is like oh my God,
that's so stressful.
I just want to play my jewelgame or whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Tetris or something yeah you know.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
So, yeah, it's definitely different, for sure,
per person.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Ooh, okay, this one Expensive hobbies worth the
money or unnecessary?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Well, I mean, the card thing that I'm just getting
into right now is a lot offucking money.
I mean, those cards are notcheap.
So you know, I guess it alldepends.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yep, it depends on your means.
I don't think it's necessary tohave a hobby that is expensive,
but if you do have one, thenall the more power to you, good
for you.
And if you can afford it andyou enjoy it, then who am I?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And you know, I guess it's about perspective too.
You know, because I justthought of it.
It's like, okay, you know I'mcomplaining that the packs of
cards are too expensive, but avideo game is $90.
Right, so I mean $90 can getyou quite a bit of cards.
So I guess it's aboutperspective.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, at the end of the day and if you enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, because like how many games do I buy?
I don't buy many.
But then you know, now it's noteven about buying the game.
You games do I buy?
I don't buy many.
But then you know, now it's noteven about buying the game.
You buy the game, then it's thebattle pass, it's the skins,
it's all that other shit, youknow that you want.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
That's so annoying.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Well, it's annoying, but also it's something that,
like, gamers, just thrive off of.
You know they love it.
They love it, Including me.
So I guess, yeah, I guess, whenyou look at it like that card,
you know I get a perspective,Perspective.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
See, okay, it's a little side note, brawl.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Stars.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Riley loves it, yeah, and actually they're always
trying to get me.
My kids are always trying toget me to play these games and
I'm just like I don't't.
But this one I actually findquite interesting.
It's fun.
So I play with him sometimes,but I'm clearly like level two.
He's like level 400, you know,like whatever.
They're always, uh, sellingthese like a brawl star passes
(29:55):
and like exclusive skins and I'mjust like who gives a shit what
t-shirt you're wearing in yourcharacter on the iPad?
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I don't get it, but forhim it's, it's a big deal, yeah,
okay, is there a hobby trendsthat you just don't get?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You know, I think if you asked me this 20 years ago,
I would probably say yeah, a lotof stuff, um, but nowadays,
like no, I I actually lovefinding out what people are into
I do too you know like yourhusband is into colognes right
(30:33):
yes, he collects colognes andsee if, if you would have asked
me about that when I was like 20, yeah, I'd be like like what,
like why?
Why would I collect colognes?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
but now I think it's so cool, you know like, well,
when I, when I met him yeah, Ididn't, I didn't understand it.
I was just like wow, that's,that's interesting.
But but now I actuallyappreciate it with him like, and
he has such a there's something, this, this has a scent of
cigars and oak wood and you'relike okay, you know, like, wow,
(31:10):
interesting.
Like he just he has such aknowledge and appreciation for
it that you can't help butappreciate it as well.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, and that I'm into now way more as I got older
.
Remember Blockbuster?
Yeah, you know, like moviebuffs, we were all like pretty
much movie buffs, yes, but Inever had a collection like like
you guys had, you know, ofmovies and stuff, and so that's
another thing where, back in theday, I would be like, well, I
(31:38):
work at Blockbuster Like why,why am I gonna buy the movies
and like have like 5 000 movies?
Like I'm just gonna like getthe movie, play it and then like
bring it back yeah you knowversus now.
You know it's kind of cool, youknow seeing like all the movies
and it's like, oh shit.
You know like it brings backmemories and this and that you
know what I mean so this is likea fraction of the stuff that we
(31:59):
have like this doesn't evencount, you know, but to that
question, I think it's alsoabout age and I think there's a
lot of factors that go into that.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I agree, and I think too that as I've gotten older,
I've gotten less judgmentalabout other people's like things
that I wouldn't have thoughtabout, and I'm like oh my gosh.
And I'll say like, wow, I neverwould have thought that that's
a hobby, but not as a judgment,more of a.
That's really cool and I wantto see like what that's about.
Kind of.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Thing.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Like does that work for me?
Does that, would I likesomething like that yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, I think I'd become way less judgmental in
those scenarios as well.
Yeah, well, like.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I mean, just even what.
Was it the last episode orwhatever, when we were like
talking about our perception ofolder people, like getting older
and stuff.
Or like gardening.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
You know like gardening was such a like oh,
but like what a delightful hobbygardening is.
So, to wrap things up a littlebit, Josh, is there perhaps a
hobby that you would like to trynext?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Something that you haven't tried before that's of
interest to you.
I actually think I would liketo get into some colognes.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, Okay, cool Well you'll have to talk to James.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Get some insight there.
I'd like to do something moreof a physical activity as a
hobby, okay, like maybe yoga.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
It's so crazy.
You say that because I havebeen looking into doing yoga.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, Because apparently for the stretching
and which I'm in so much pain ingeneral just from trying to do
this bodybuilding thing, I'vebeen actually really considering
yoga.
I guess I didn't look at itlike a hobby.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
All right.
Well, that's it for today.
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Speaker 2 (34:00):
Drop your hot take in the comments.
We want to hear it.
See you next time on Brother,Sister, Whatever.
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