April 3, 2025 • 22 mins
We explore our complicated relationship with the outdoors, sharing personal stories about camping, swimming fears, and the surprising psychological benefits of reconnecting with nature.
• Weekly “What If”: Could we survive a week completely offline in the wilderness?
• Josh reveals he doesn’t know how to swim—and how that shaped his childhood
• Stories from Spartan races, Mud Girl competitions, and pushing past comfort zones
• Debate: Do humans still have survival instincts, or are we too far gone?
• Hot takes like “the ocean is terrifying” and “hiking is just walking with extra effort”
• This-or-that game with survival-style choices like “sunrise hike or midnight campfire”
• Scientific fact: 10 seconds of birdsong can increase serotonin
• Why even 5 minutes outside can boost your mental and physical health
🎧 Challenge: Step outside for at least five minutes today—even if it’s just to listen. It’s good for your brain.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So when's the last time that you like actually were
outside, like spent timeoutside?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Like yesterday.
Oh shit, what am I saying?
It wasn't yesterday, it waslike the day before, it was
before this, because obviouslyit snowed yesterday again.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
You know, but the other day it was so nice.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
It was.
It was so nice that I actuallyput away the winter things.
Me too that I actually put awaythe winter things.
Yeah, me too.
And then I realized, when Iwoke up the next morning and it
was snowing.
I was like well, shit, yeah.
So let's start off with ourweekly what if yes.
Are you ready for this one?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Okay, you go first.
So the question is what if youhad to spend a full week
completely offline living innature, but there's like no
phone, no tech, just theoutdoors?
Would you thrive?
Would you just survive?
Like what?
How would you feel?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I think I would feel pretty good.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, there's something about wanting to
disconnect Like this is underthe impression I don't have to
think about my business oranything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah,yeah, fuck all that shit.
Or even like just like a weekand like a week off, kind of
thing, right, yeah, yeah, Iwould thrive.
I would thrive you, you wouldthrive, no.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So here's the thing.
Outdoors only, ooh, there'slike lots of bugs.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, I mean you have a tent and stuff.
Okay, yeah, like.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I like the concept of outdoors Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
There's people who love it.
There's probably people who, no, like it's not happening.
Yeah, probably people who know.
Like it's not happening, yeah,the one kind of outdoorsy thing
that I can't do that people dojust because we're on the topic
is, like you know, the antarcticoutdoorsy people, the ones who
will have the pitch, the tent ona mountain with like minus 40
and stuff like okay, yeah,that's extreme like that's like,
(02:00):
like those I don't know howthose guys do it because of the
weather yeah, it's the.
It's because of the cold.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Okay, I totally agree with that.
Anything with the cold I'm likeno, no Indoors for me.
But here's the thing I want toclarify that the weekly would
have questions said likeoutdoors, right, and would I
thrive in that.
Everything else about it, likethe no tech, the just relaxing,
(02:28):
disconnecting, I'm there for itIf it was like a glamping
experience where it's notnecessarily like.
Maybe you're in a cabin in thewoods somewhere.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
That I would be like.
Yes, sign me up.
But the pitching of the tentand the fucking cooking hot dogs
on tree branches and shit, Notfor me.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Not for me.
Oh, you can take a harpoon andtry to catch a fish.
Yeah, no, oh my God.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Okay.
So, josh, let's talk a littlebit about some of this outdoorsy
stuff.
Okay, I want to figure outwhere we stand with this.
Now that the weather is comingup, maybe we might plan
something this summer.
Who knows?
Oh yeah, all of us.
Maybe, who knows?
Let's do it, so let's see.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Okay, so how about I go first here?
I'll ask you a question.
Okay, If you could only spendtime in one outdoor environment
like mountains, beach, forest,desert for the rest of your life
, which one would you pick?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Beach hands down.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Just warmer weather, the sound of the waves.
Are you a big swimmer?
Fuck, no, I don't know how toswim actually, so I'd have to
bring James who's lifeguardstatus.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Wait, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
you don't know how to swim, the sound of the waves?
Are you a big swimmer?
Fuck, no, I don't know how toswim actually, so I'd have to
bring James, who's lifeguard?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
status.
Wait, what do you mean?
You don't know how to swim.
I've been telling everyone youknow how to swim.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Why?
When does that come up in yourconversations?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's a stupid analogy I use with dog training.
I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Are you serious?
Yeah, even though, even thoughWell like I mean I can stay
afloat, but if I was ever inlike a breaststroke competition,
I'd fucking lose.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Okay, so you can float, I can float.
I can do the dog paddle, I canlike, I can't float.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Oh, so you really can't swim.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
No, no, no, no, no.
Like, if I'm in the water it'skind of because, yeah, um one
time, because the kids are likefish, right, they were swimming
so far out on the beach and likethe waves and everything, and
like I felt so helpless, youknow way, you know and, and I
was just yelling at them, youknow I was like, get your over
(04:38):
here.
You know like, and you know I'mjust standing there right like
like, uh, oh man, I can't, can't.
The only time that I'm assuming, I hope that I would, just, I
don't give a shit kind ofbehavior is if, like, my kid
fell off a boat or somethingLike, I'm pretty sure I would
jump right in.
You know Like I feel, like Iwould.
(04:59):
I hope my instinct would youknow, yeah, yeah and shit, I
hope I save him and not justdrown with him.
I think it's something I needto really kind of do, especially
if I'm going to be going onvacations, let's say.
Or you know like I need to getover this, yeah, I need to float
.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
But you say, get over this.
But it's not a fear of water,it's just you just don't know
how to swim.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, but that makes it fearful for me.
Oh, okay, okay, so it's turnedinto a fear well, if you threw,
if you were like josh, we'regonna throw you into the water
no, okay at the deepest point,I'd be like uh well, what do you
mean?
I'm gonna die, yeah I get it.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I get it actually, like the, even just in pools on
the deep end.
Oh, there's this, this thing inyour throat where you're just
the only way it's a little safe.
My feet need to touch thebottom, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
The only way I can do it is if I'm holding on and
then I push off and I swim asshitty as it looks, and then I
get to the other side and then Ihold on.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
That's the only way I'm going to be able to do it.
Yeah, that's the only way I'mgoing to be able to do it.
Yeah, I remember so many missedopportunities when I was young
because I couldn't swim and Iwouldn't tell whoever like, hey,
we're going to go to the waterslides, and I'd be like, oh,
that's cool.
And it's like, why don't youcome?
Like no, no, thanks, I don'tlike water slides, but you know.
(06:27):
But the reality was that Iwould.
I think it would be so much fun, but I would have this fear of
some of the water slides.
Some of the water, when you hitthe end is deep, and so I would
be like, no, I'm not takingthat risk.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
That's a FOMO moment.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, I guess.
So yeah, actually it is Now Icould really give a shit.
But yes, you're right, when Iwas a kid, like, I remember
those missed opportunities, so Idon't want them to have that.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
What's the most outdoorsy thing you've ever done
, and did you actually enjoy it?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Probably the most outdoorsy thing I've done,
probably the Spartan races.
You know I did a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I did a lot of them so I'd say that that's probably
uh, it was kind of part of mywhole vegan vibe, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And did you enjoy?
It?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Fuck, no, no, I'm kidding.
I mean, you know, you, you loveand hate it.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, it's, it's 30 burpees.
Every obstacle failed, right,and uh, you're going up a
mountain, right, basically,while doing obstacles and
climbing rope and 10 foot wallsand all sorts of shit, but.
But oh man, there's nothinglike that feeling when you
(07:45):
finish.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Especially that meal, the meal afterwards.
Whatever you're're eating,whether it's pizza or whatever,
oh man, it just it's.
Uh, it hits different that'sgood, so I'd say that that's
probably like a big one.
Yeah, that's probably thebiggest thing I've done I did
because I've never done anycamping.
No, no, have you yeah have youreally?
Yeah, shit, I, I can, and itwasn't glamping, what do you
(08:10):
mean?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It was like a legit camping experience.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
We'll get into it Like shit in a bush.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Oh, like you have no idea, you have no fucking idea.
It was disgusting.
I would never do it again.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Oh my gosh yeah.
What about you?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Well, you know what To piggyback off of your spartan
race?
I did the mud girl race oh, didyou years ago.
Yeah, I never knew that two,two or three years ago with uh
where the hell's the pictures?
They're on my insta oh, arethey?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
yeah, oh shit, are we following each other?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
okay, that just goes to show you how not on social
media you are right very often,um, but yeah, like, and it was,
I was terrified, wasn't surewhat to expect, but you did it
but I did it and got your metalfelt fucking good yeah fuck,
yeah, man, good job, good job itwas it was really awesome
(09:07):
actually doesn't it feelempowering it?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It does, it does.
That's why I got addicted to it.
You know, I did the 5K, I didthe 10K, I was supposed to do
the Beast and then I fell off,which is like 21K.
It's like a half marathon.
Oh, wow, yeah, it's like howmany obstacles, my God.
(09:29):
I don't know.
Do you think humans are builtfor survival or have we lost our
instincts?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I think both.
Actually I think we are builtfor survival.
Clearly we came from cavemenright, but over the centuries
we've lost our instincts.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, because we're comfortable now.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, I kind of have to say those survivalists that
live out in the woods, what'sthe word off the grid?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I have a deep admiration for that.
Well, yeah, I really do, Iwouldn't do it but I have deep
admiration for it.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I mean, it's a whole skill set.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
It's unbelievable.
But think of the strength,speaking of empowerment, the
strength and empowerment thatone would have by having these
skills and knowing that, nomatter where you were you could
survive it.
So if you had to live in thewild for a year but could bring
three modern conveniences, whatwould they be?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Okay, I'd probably bring an oven.
Oh well, no, I could make firesand all that stuff you could.
How would you keep your stuffcold, though I'd make?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
fires and all that stuff you could.
How would you keep your stuffcold, though I'd bring a fridge?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
What stuff Like you're not going to have ketchup
and mayo.
Oh, that's true.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Or milk.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Where are you going to get milk?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You're going to be milking a fucking cow.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You're going to find a cow in the wild.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
You think cows are just walking in the wild?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well then, how the fuck are you going to survive
for a year?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Definitely not by drinking milk.
Oh shit, I don't know, man, Idon't know, this is hard.
Three conveniences, I mean, Iguess, I guess.
Oh, like I'd bring like one ofthose insane like archer bow
things, like the new ones.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Like Daryl, you know, like from fucking Walking Dead.
Okay, this bow and arrow thingthere.
I'd bring one of those crossbowthings so that, like I could
just kill the animals, you know,and stuff.
Okay, fine, crossbow phone,maybe gps, like okay, I've been
(12:00):
here, you know, just oh, somekind of water recycling thing
where I can just place it inlike the rain and then I get
fresh water.
Look at you, damn huh, smartguy survivalist in making.
I would survive, no matter what.
(12:20):
All right.
How about if a reality showlike Survivor forced you to live
outside for a month?
How would you actually do Onewhole month outside, 30 days, no
shelter?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I think you would find me under a tree begging for
mommy.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Did you have like the little soccer ball with the
painted face?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, wilson, oh fuck , no, I I'd like to think that I
would do what I needed to do.
I don't think it would be a funexperience and I don't think I
(13:14):
would ever want to do it againand I think I would walk away
with some form of trauma.
But I think I could do it.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Cool, I mean just the fact that you think you could
do it.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I mean that's huge Right.
Yeah, you know what it's not,but you know what it is.
It's not about living out inthe in the wilderness for a
month, it's about the foodsupply.
The idea of eating a bug orskinning a snake, that kind of
(13:45):
shit just uber creeps me out.
So that is what I have the mostproblems with, but anyway, okay
.
So, josh, now we're going tomove on to hot takes.
Let's do it Okay, so let mestart us off this time.
Nature is great until youremember bugs exist.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yes, yes indeed.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Bees are cool, but wasps are just nature's
gangsters.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
That's true.
Have you ever been stung by awasp?
That shit's not fun.
No, hiking is just walking withextra effort.
That's true.
That's true.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You are not really one with nature if you bring a
Bluetooth speaker.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
What does it take to be one with nature?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I mean, I think, Does that mean you?
Have to go all in.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
So you can't be sitting outside with your cup of
coffee, listening to some softmusic and enjoying the
environment?
That's not being one withnature.
No, apparently not.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Okay, you have to hear the birds chirp.
That's it.
That's not being one withnature, no, apparently not Okay.
You have to hear the birdschirp.
That's it, that's all.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Okay, this one is for you, Josh.
The ocean is terrifying and weshould all respect it more.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah, people who live offthe grid actually just live on
a smaller grid.
Yeah, okay, okay, the gridactually just live on a smaller
grid.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, okay, okay.
National parks are cool untilyou realize they have no
self-service.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
The worst part of camping themoment you have to get out of
your sleeping bag.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Oh yes, all right, so now it's the this or that.
Oh yes, all right, so now it'sthe this or that.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
This or that.
Yes, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
So quick, yes or no, pick whichever one you want, you
ready.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
You ready, yeah Go for it Surviving in the
wilderness for a week or beinglocked in a haunted house for a
week?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I'll definitely take the outdoors.
Absolutely, I can't even lookat a haunted house.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
What about you, what would you pick?
Probably the wilderness.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
But there's no scenario.
Like neither one of thosescenarios, I'm walking away
without being traumatized.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah or dead.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Or dead.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Sunrise hike or a midnight campfire.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Ooh, I think I would go with the midnight campfire.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Really you going to bed at eight o'clock?
You're going to do the midnightcampfire.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I would have thought you'd pick the sunrise hike.
I'm already up anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
The sunrise hike sounds nice, but there's
something about like beingaround a fire that's nice.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Okay, okay, understood, understood.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
But I just realized the, the, the midnight part of
that like you know, maybe likean eight o'clock eight o'clock
at night fire yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Would be better For 15 minutes, and then it's
bedtime.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, exactly, would you rather be rained on or
snowed on while camping?
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Snowed.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Really.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So that means it's going to be freezing.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, I just realized that, as I was as you said
really.
And then I was like oh yeah, itfreezing.
Yeah, I just realized that, asI was as you said really, and
then I was like oh yeah it's thecold.
I hate the cold, raining thenOkay, yeah, okay, living in a
tree house or living in a cave.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Ooh, tree house sounds cool.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, I would do tree house yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, I also feel like a cave.
You're kind of like, you know,like a back against the wall,
kind of feeling Like where doyou go from there?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, it's true, you know it's true.
Cooking over a fire or eatingcold food for a week.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Cooking over a fire.
Oh, come on.
I'm not that ridiculous eatingcold food for a week.
Have you ever tried coldfucking beans, canned beans,
cold oh, that shit's disgusting,it's disgusting as is.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
It's like such a camping thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
It is and it's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Just open the can.
Oh, it's so gross.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
This is a good one for us pale skin people oh boy
no sunscreen or no bug spray nobug spray yeah I can't go
without sunscreen.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
No, I mean, um, I think, uh, I've, I've learned my
lesson over the years, becauseI was always very stubborn about
suntan, same.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
But um, no, now I'm like no I don't want to come
back as a leathered person.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, no fishing for food or for sport.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
It's got to be for food.
What other fucking point isthere to fish?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
People fish for sport .
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
It's right up there with golf.
It's up there with golf.
Oh my God.
Okay, no shoes or no jacket inthe wild no shoes or no jacket.
In the wild no shoes or nojacket.
I'm gonna have to say no jacket.
I guess it's still bad.
(19:24):
But still bad but you know,because I could still
technically have a ton ofsweaters.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
You said nothing about sweaters with that
suitcase that you're carrying inthe wild?
No, but like, imagine having noshoes.
Because, at a certain point youwouldn't be able to walk
anymore because your feet wouldbe all fucking cut up and raw
and shit.
And then what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah well, you'd have to wrap it with, like some
shirt, rags or something youknow, or leaves, big palm tree
leaves.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
What if you had to wrap it with a jacket?
You had, then you've got noshoes and no fucking jacket.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Come on, all right, that was fun.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
That was, that was good.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Okay.
So final question, josh If youcould make one outdoor activity
mandatory for every human beingto do at least once a month,
what would it be?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I think it would even just be as simple as a walk.
I think if everyone did morewalking, I think there'd be a
lot healthier people out there.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah.
You know, yeah, but not justhealthier physically, I think
mentally too like well, that'swhat I mean oh, okay, it's a
scientific fact that listeningto birds chirp for 10 seconds,
10 seconds a day automaticallylike um increases.
(20:54):
Uh, what's the hormone?
Yeah, and and and um serotoninserotonin and like allows you to
be happier and more carefree.
10 fucking seconds.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
It's unbelievable Just to listen to birds chirp.
I think that would be my, mypick.
Yeah Well, 10 seconds, gooutside and just listen, for
some birds, I think that wouldbe my pick For 10 seconds.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
go outside and just listen for some birds.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, well, I mean you hear them all the time, but
you don't listen you don'tlisten.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, exactly that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, that's cool, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Pretty cool.
I was like 46 years old when Ilearned that fact.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
All right, guys.
So we're going to challengeevery one of you to step outside
, even just for five minutes,whether it's a walk or listening
to birds chirp.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You got to do it.
It's good for your mentalhealth.
So next time we're going todive into regrets Nice, yeah,
some of the mistakes that we'vemade and regrets that we live
with.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Oh, I can't wait for that.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So, yeah, you guys will have to tune into next
episode and we'll see you nextweek.
Have a good one, bye.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Later.
So when's the last time that you like actually were
outside, like spent timeoutside?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Like yesterday.
Oh shit, what am I saying?
It wasn't yesterday, it waslike the day before, it was
before this, because obviouslyit snowed yesterday again.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
You know, but the other day it was so nice.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
It was.
It was so nice that I actuallyput away the winter things.
Me too that I actually put awaythe winter things.
Yeah, me too.
And then I realized, when Iwoke up the next morning and it
was snowing.
I was like well, shit, yeah.
So let's start off with ourweekly what if yes.
Are you ready for this one?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Okay, you go first.
So the question is what if youhad to spend a full week
completely offline living innature, but there's like no
phone, no tech, just theoutdoors?
Would you thrive?
Would you just survive?
Like what?
How would you feel?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I think I would feel pretty good.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, there's something about wanting to
disconnect Like this is underthe impression I don't have to
think about my business oranything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah,yeah, fuck all that shit.
Or even like just like a weekand like a week off, kind of
thing, right, yeah, yeah, Iwould thrive.
I would thrive you, you wouldthrive, no.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So here's the thing.
Outdoors only, ooh, there'slike lots of bugs.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, I mean you have a tent and stuff.
Okay, yeah, like.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I like the concept of outdoors Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
There's people who love it.
There's probably people who, no, like it's not happening.
Yeah, probably people who know.
Like it's not happening, yeah,the one kind of outdoorsy thing
that I can't do that people dojust because we're on the topic
is, like you know, the antarcticoutdoorsy people, the ones who
will have the pitch, the tent ona mountain with like minus 40
and stuff like okay, yeah,that's extreme like that's like,
(02:00):
like those I don't know howthose guys do it because of the
weather yeah, it's the.
It's because of the cold.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Okay, I totally agree with that.
Anything with the cold I'm likeno, no Indoors for me.
But here's the thing I want toclarify that the weekly would
have questions said likeoutdoors, right, and would I
thrive in that.
Everything else about it, likethe no tech, the just relaxing,
(02:28):
disconnecting, I'm there for itIf it was like a glamping
experience where it's notnecessarily like.
Maybe you're in a cabin in thewoods somewhere.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
That I would be like.
Yes, sign me up.
But the pitching of the tentand the fucking cooking hot dogs
on tree branches and shit, Notfor me.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Not for me.
Oh, you can take a harpoon andtry to catch a fish.
Yeah, no, oh my God.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Okay.
So, josh, let's talk a littlebit about some of this outdoorsy
stuff.
Okay, I want to figure outwhere we stand with this.
Now that the weather is comingup, maybe we might plan
something this summer.
Who knows?
Oh yeah, all of us.
Maybe, who knows?
Let's do it, so let's see.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Okay, so how about I go first here?
I'll ask you a question.
Okay, If you could only spendtime in one outdoor environment
like mountains, beach, forest,desert for the rest of your life
, which one would you pick?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Beach hands down.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Just warmer weather, the sound of the waves.
Are you a big swimmer?
Fuck, no, I don't know how toswim actually, so I'd have to
bring James who's lifeguardstatus.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Wait, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
you don't know how to swim, the sound of the waves?
Are you a big swimmer?
Fuck, no, I don't know how toswim actually, so I'd have to
bring James, who's lifeguard?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
status.
Wait, what do you mean?
You don't know how to swim.
I've been telling everyone youknow how to swim.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Why?
When does that come up in yourconversations?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's a stupid analogy I use with dog training.
I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Are you serious?
Yeah, even though, even thoughWell like I mean I can stay
afloat, but if I was ever inlike a breaststroke competition,
I'd fucking lose.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Okay, so you can float, I can float.
I can do the dog paddle, I canlike, I can't float.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Oh, so you really can't swim.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
No, no, no, no, no.
Like, if I'm in the water it'skind of because, yeah, um one
time, because the kids are likefish, right, they were swimming
so far out on the beach and likethe waves and everything, and
like I felt so helpless, youknow way, you know and, and I
was just yelling at them, youknow I was like, get your over
(04:38):
here.
You know like, and you know I'mjust standing there right like
like, uh, oh man, I can't, can't.
The only time that I'm assuming, I hope that I would, just, I
don't give a shit kind ofbehavior is if, like, my kid
fell off a boat or somethingLike, I'm pretty sure I would
jump right in.
You know Like I feel, like Iwould.
(04:59):
I hope my instinct would youknow, yeah, yeah and shit, I
hope I save him and not justdrown with him.
I think it's something I needto really kind of do, especially
if I'm going to be going onvacations, let's say.
Or you know like I need to getover this, yeah, I need to float
.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
But you say, get over this.
But it's not a fear of water,it's just you just don't know
how to swim.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, but that makes it fearful for me.
Oh, okay, okay, so it's turnedinto a fear well, if you threw,
if you were like josh, we'regonna throw you into the water
no, okay at the deepest point,I'd be like uh well, what do you
mean?
I'm gonna die, yeah I get it.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I get it actually, like the, even just in pools on
the deep end.
Oh, there's this, this thing inyour throat where you're just
the only way it's a little safe.
My feet need to touch thebottom, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
The only way I can do it is if I'm holding on and
then I push off and I swim asshitty as it looks, and then I
get to the other side and then Ihold on.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
That's the only way I'm going to be able to do it.
Yeah, that's the only way I'mgoing to be able to do it.
Yeah, I remember so many missedopportunities when I was young
because I couldn't swim and Iwouldn't tell whoever like, hey,
we're going to go to the waterslides, and I'd be like, oh,
that's cool.
And it's like, why don't youcome?
Like no, no, thanks, I don'tlike water slides, but you know.
(06:27):
But the reality was that Iwould.
I think it would be so much fun, but I would have this fear of
some of the water slides.
Some of the water, when you hitthe end is deep, and so I would
be like, no, I'm not takingthat risk.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
That's a FOMO moment.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, I guess.
So yeah, actually it is Now Icould really give a shit.
But yes, you're right, when Iwas a kid, like, I remember
those missed opportunities, so Idon't want them to have that.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
What's the most outdoorsy thing you've ever done
, and did you actually enjoy it?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Probably the most outdoorsy thing I've done,
probably the Spartan races.
You know I did a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I did a lot of them so I'd say that that's probably
uh, it was kind of part of mywhole vegan vibe, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And did you enjoy?
It?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Fuck, no, no, I'm kidding.
I mean, you know, you, you loveand hate it.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, it's, it's 30 burpees.
Every obstacle failed, right,and uh, you're going up a
mountain, right, basically,while doing obstacles and
climbing rope and 10 foot wallsand all sorts of shit, but.
But oh man, there's nothinglike that feeling when you
(07:45):
finish.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Especially that meal, the meal afterwards.
Whatever you're're eating,whether it's pizza or whatever,
oh man, it just it's.
Uh, it hits different that'sgood, so I'd say that that's
probably like a big one.
Yeah, that's probably thebiggest thing I've done I did
because I've never done anycamping.
No, no, have you yeah have youreally?
Yeah, shit, I, I can, and itwasn't glamping, what do you
(08:10):
mean?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It was like a legit camping experience.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
We'll get into it Like shit in a bush.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Oh, like you have no idea, you have no fucking idea.
It was disgusting.
I would never do it again.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Oh my gosh yeah.
What about you?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Well, you know what To piggyback off of your spartan
race?
I did the mud girl race oh, didyou years ago.
Yeah, I never knew that two,two or three years ago with uh
where the hell's the pictures?
They're on my insta oh, arethey?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
yeah, oh shit, are we following each other?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
okay, that just goes to show you how not on social
media you are right very often,um, but yeah, like, and it was,
I was terrified, wasn't surewhat to expect, but you did it
but I did it and got your metalfelt fucking good yeah fuck,
yeah, man, good job, good job itwas it was really awesome
(09:07):
actually doesn't it feelempowering it?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It does, it does.
That's why I got addicted to it.
You know, I did the 5K, I didthe 10K, I was supposed to do
the Beast and then I fell off,which is like 21K.
It's like a half marathon.
Oh, wow, yeah, it's like howmany obstacles, my God.
(09:29):
I don't know.
Do you think humans are builtfor survival or have we lost our
instincts?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I think both.
Actually I think we are builtfor survival.
Clearly we came from cavemenright, but over the centuries
we've lost our instincts.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, because we're comfortable now.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, I kind of have to say those survivalists that
live out in the woods, what'sthe word off the grid?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I have a deep admiration for that.
Well, yeah, I really do, Iwouldn't do it but I have deep
admiration for it.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I mean, it's a whole skill set.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
It's unbelievable.
But think of the strength,speaking of empowerment, the
strength and empowerment thatone would have by having these
skills and knowing that, nomatter where you were you could
survive it.
So if you had to live in thewild for a year but could bring
three modern conveniences, whatwould they be?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Okay, I'd probably bring an oven.
Oh well, no, I could make firesand all that stuff you could.
How would you keep your stuffcold, though I'd make?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
fires and all that stuff you could.
How would you keep your stuffcold, though I'd bring a fridge?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
What stuff Like you're not going to have ketchup
and mayo.
Oh, that's true.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Or milk.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Where are you going to get milk?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You're going to be milking a fucking cow.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You're going to find a cow in the wild.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
You think cows are just walking in the wild?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well then, how the fuck are you going to survive
for a year?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Definitely not by drinking milk.
Oh shit, I don't know, man, Idon't know, this is hard.
Three conveniences, I mean, Iguess, I guess.
Oh, like I'd bring like one ofthose insane like archer bow
things, like the new ones.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Like Daryl, you know, like from fucking Walking Dead.
Okay, this bow and arrow thingthere.
I'd bring one of those crossbowthings so that, like I could
just kill the animals, you know,and stuff.
Okay, fine, crossbow phone,maybe gps, like okay, I've been
(12:00):
here, you know, just oh, somekind of water recycling thing
where I can just place it inlike the rain and then I get
fresh water.
Look at you, damn huh, smartguy survivalist in making.
I would survive, no matter what.
(12:20):
All right.
How about if a reality showlike Survivor forced you to live
outside for a month?
How would you actually do Onewhole month outside, 30 days, no
shelter?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I think you would find me under a tree begging for
mommy.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Did you have like the little soccer ball with the
painted face?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, wilson, oh fuck , no, I I'd like to think that I
would do what I needed to do.
I don't think it would be a funexperience and I don't think I
(13:14):
would ever want to do it againand I think I would walk away
with some form of trauma.
But I think I could do it.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Cool, I mean just the fact that you think you could
do it.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I mean that's huge Right.
Yeah, you know what it's not,but you know what it is.
It's not about living out inthe in the wilderness for a
month, it's about the foodsupply.
The idea of eating a bug orskinning a snake, that kind of
(13:45):
shit just uber creeps me out.
So that is what I have the mostproblems with, but anyway, okay
.
So, josh, now we're going tomove on to hot takes.
Let's do it Okay, so let mestart us off this time.
Nature is great until youremember bugs exist.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yes, yes indeed.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Bees are cool, but wasps are just nature's
gangsters.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
That's true.
Have you ever been stung by awasp?
That shit's not fun.
No, hiking is just walking withextra effort.
That's true.
That's true.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You are not really one with nature if you bring a
Bluetooth speaker.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
What does it take to be one with nature?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I mean, I think, Does that mean you?
Have to go all in.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
So you can't be sitting outside with your cup of
coffee, listening to some softmusic and enjoying the
environment?
That's not being one withnature.
No, apparently not.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Okay, you have to hear the birds chirp.
That's it.
That's not being one withnature, no, apparently not Okay.
You have to hear the birdschirp.
That's it, that's all.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Okay, this one is for you, Josh.
The ocean is terrifying and weshould all respect it more.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah, people who live offthe grid actually just live on
a smaller grid.
Yeah, okay, okay, the gridactually just live on a smaller
grid.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, okay, okay.
National parks are cool untilyou realize they have no
self-service.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
The worst part of camping themoment you have to get out of
your sleeping bag.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Oh yes, all right, so now it's the this or that.
Oh yes, all right, so now it'sthe this or that.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
This or that.
Yes, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
So quick, yes or no, pick whichever one you want, you
ready.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
You ready, yeah Go for it Surviving in the
wilderness for a week or beinglocked in a haunted house for a
week?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I'll definitely take the outdoors.
Absolutely, I can't even lookat a haunted house.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
What about you, what would you pick?
Probably the wilderness.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
But there's no scenario.
Like neither one of thosescenarios, I'm walking away
without being traumatized.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah or dead.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Or dead.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Sunrise hike or a midnight campfire.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Ooh, I think I would go with the midnight campfire.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Really you going to bed at eight o'clock?
You're going to do the midnightcampfire.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I would have thought you'd pick the sunrise hike.
I'm already up anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
The sunrise hike sounds nice, but there's
something about like beingaround a fire that's nice.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Okay, okay, understood, understood.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
But I just realized the, the, the midnight part of
that like you know, maybe likean eight o'clock eight o'clock
at night fire yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Would be better For 15 minutes, and then it's
bedtime.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, exactly, would you rather be rained on or
snowed on while camping?
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Snowed.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Really.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So that means it's going to be freezing.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, I just realized that, as I was as you said
really.
And then I was like oh yeah, itfreezing.
Yeah, I just realized that, asI was as you said really, and
then I was like oh yeah it's thecold.
I hate the cold, raining thenOkay, yeah, okay, living in a
tree house or living in a cave.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Ooh, tree house sounds cool.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, I would do tree house yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, I also feel like a cave.
You're kind of like, you know,like a back against the wall,
kind of feeling Like where doyou go from there?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, it's true, you know it's true.
Cooking over a fire or eatingcold food for a week.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Cooking over a fire.
Oh, come on.
I'm not that ridiculous eatingcold food for a week.
Have you ever tried coldfucking beans, canned beans,
cold oh, that shit's disgusting,it's disgusting as is.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
It's like such a camping thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
It is and it's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Just open the can.
Oh, it's so gross.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
This is a good one for us pale skin people oh boy
no sunscreen or no bug spray nobug spray yeah I can't go
without sunscreen.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
No, I mean, um, I think, uh, I've, I've learned my
lesson over the years, becauseI was always very stubborn about
suntan, same.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
But um, no, now I'm like no I don't want to come
back as a leathered person.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, no fishing for food or for sport.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
It's got to be for food.
What other fucking point isthere to fish?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
People fish for sport .
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
It's right up there with golf.
It's up there with golf.
Oh my God.
Okay, no shoes or no jacket inthe wild no shoes or no jacket.
In the wild no shoes or nojacket.
I'm gonna have to say no jacket.
I guess it's still bad.
(19:24):
But still bad but you know,because I could still
technically have a ton ofsweaters.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
You said nothing about sweaters with that
suitcase that you're carrying inthe wild?
No, but like, imagine having noshoes.
Because, at a certain point youwouldn't be able to walk
anymore because your feet wouldbe all fucking cut up and raw
and shit.
And then what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah well, you'd have to wrap it with, like some
shirt, rags or something youknow, or leaves, big palm tree
leaves.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
What if you had to wrap it with a jacket?
You had, then you've got noshoes and no fucking jacket.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Come on, all right, that was fun.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
That was, that was good.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Okay.
So final question, josh If youcould make one outdoor activity
mandatory for every human beingto do at least once a month,
what would it be?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I think it would even just be as simple as a walk.
I think if everyone did morewalking, I think there'd be a
lot healthier people out there.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah.
You know, yeah, but not justhealthier physically, I think
mentally too like well, that'swhat I mean oh, okay, it's a
scientific fact that listeningto birds chirp for 10 seconds,
10 seconds a day automaticallylike um increases.
(20:54):
Uh, what's the hormone?
Yeah, and and and um serotoninserotonin and like allows you to
be happier and more carefree.
10 fucking seconds.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
It's unbelievable Just to listen to birds chirp.
I think that would be my, mypick.
Yeah Well, 10 seconds, gooutside and just listen, for
some birds, I think that wouldbe my pick For 10 seconds.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
go outside and just listen for some birds.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, well, I mean you hear them all the time, but
you don't listen you don'tlisten.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, exactly that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, that's cool, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Pretty cool.
I was like 46 years old when Ilearned that fact.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
All right, guys.
So we're going to challengeevery one of you to step outside
, even just for five minutes,whether it's a walk or listening
to birds chirp.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You got to do it.
It's good for your mentalhealth.
So next time we're going todive into regrets Nice, yeah,
some of the mistakes that we'vemade and regrets that we live
with.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Oh, I can't wait for that.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So, yeah, you guys will have to tune into next
episode and we'll see you nextweek.
Have a good one, bye.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Later.
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