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February 4, 2025 104 mins
 Although Lisa worked as a chemical engineer, spirituality always was the priority in her life. In 2009, at a silent retreat, her thought-based identity dropped away, and she saw only the single flow of benevolence in all that is. When some of those thoughts returned a few weeks later (less convincing than before), there also came a deep curiosity to inquire into those thoughts. She developed many tools to return to a lived experience of the deeper knowing. Both of her books share these tools. All that is is a vibrant expression erupting from a single full emptiness. Website: experiencingthetrueself.com Books: An Unprincipled Life: Living from the Unknown Living Awake: 20 Techniques to End "I Got It; I Lost It" Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group. Summary and transcript of this interview Interview recorded January 26, 2025 YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump Series    00:04:27 Early Childhood Spiritual Insights    00:08:09 Exploring the Astral Body and Embodiment    00:11:15 Understanding the Koshas: Layers of Existence    00:15:16 Discovering Inner Strength Through Adversity    00:19:44 The Journey of Pure Intelligence and Self-Rediscovery  00:23:47 Understanding the Mind: A Sense Organ analogy    00:27:56 Discovering the Root of Aliveness in Spiritual Practice  00:31:05 Embracing Life's Uncertainties and Letting Go of Control  00:34:18 Understanding Impermanence in Awakening  00:38:12 Embracing Flexibility in Life's Demands    00:42:34 Understanding Life's Impetus    00:47:11 Parenting Lessons from Calvin and Hobbes    00:51:44 Spiritual Principles in Dire Situations    00:55:33 The Power of Positivity and Human Kindness  00:58:56 Choosing Challenging Lifetimes for Wisdom    01:02:29 Exploring Past Life Memories    01:06:48 Concept of Past Lives and Dimensions  01:11:42 Finding Positivity in Adversity: Lessons from Prisoners  01:17:00 The Illusion of Shoulds and Self-Realization    01:20:57 The Balance of Opposing Forces and Human Nature    01:25:15 Experiencing Wisdom in a Different Realm    01:29:49 Understanding Malignant Narcissism in Leadership    01:33:25 Embracing Life's Harmony and Challenges    01:36:44 The Role of Creativity and Connection in Environmental Action  01:40:16 Climate Change and Thwaites Glacier Threat    01:42:32 Embracing Inner Wisdom vs. Scientific Method  01:46:06 Integrating Science with Inner Wisdom    01:50:29 Embracing Personal Growth and Self-Reflection    01:55:24 Political Perspectives and Third Party Hopes  01:59:09 Embracing Open Dialogue and Challenging Ideas
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