April 3, 2023 • 50 mins
After growing up on a farm, active and at the young age of 25, Dr. Jill was diagnosed with stage 4 aggressive breast cancer. How is she here today?
Check out this incredible podcast as Coach Britt interviews renownd Functional Medicine Practitioner and MD, Dr. Jill Carnahan all about her story, mold toxicity, faith and her NEW, BEST SELLING BOOK "Unexpected."
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What if every experience, every hardship,
every obstacle was given to you,not to break you, but to mold
you and strengthen you?
What if the center of yoursuffering was actually the key
to ultimate health?
And what if your own pain wasmeant to be the catalyst for
your greatest purpose?
Welcome to Budha Belly Life,empowering Purpose Mind to
(00:26):
Microbiome.
Welcome to the Budha Belly LifePodcast.
My guest today is renownedfunctional medicine practitioner
and author Jill Carnahan.
Dr.
Jill Carnahan Can't take awaythat whose new book Unexpected
is rocking the Souls of All ittouches.
These are just a few thingsbeing shared amongst the elite
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community of functionalpractitioners.
Dr.
Mark Hyman states, Dr.
Jill Carnahan shares herriveting personal story and
using her and uses her shockingdiagnosis with aggressive breast
cancer at only 25 years old.
To introduce a new paradigm forreaders where fear and the
unknown are replaced withresilience, healing, and a very
realistic set of tools toinspire health and communication
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with those who deal with inhealth.
Um, within the four of thisbook, you guys boast additional
support and praise from otherwell-known figures.
This are just a few, such asDave Asprey, Joan London, Dr.
Amy Meyers, Dr.
Frank Lipman, and many more.
In the forward of this book,which this is one of my, my
favorite pieces here, it waswritten by Dr.
Sarah Gottfried, who you guysare probably familiar with and
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I'm really familiar with.
And she states this in referenceto Dr.
Jill.
I've observed in my 35 years ofpracticing medicine that people
who have experienced thegreatest hardships finding
cancer at a young age, dealingwith an incurable autoimmune
condition or getting exposed totoxic stress, toxic stress from
environmental chemicals, mold ortrauma, often become the most
soulful, compassionate healersand mystics searching for deeper
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truths.
They're the people who tend tobuck convention, so it's rare to
find them in your local hospitalor clinic.
So with that said, we are soexcited to welcome to the
podcast Dr.
Jill Carnahan.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Thank you Brit.
And what a heartfelt, beautifulintroduction.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me heretoday.
I'm super excited.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well, your humility is really sweet, but you
absolutely learned it like orearned it like that.
Those were the cliff notes of alot of the stuff that I've read
about the work you've done inyour story and I love passion
and purpose.
So you guys, while we are goingto cover things like mold and
we're gonna get into some of herexpertise that's gonna benefit
more of you than you may believe, um, there's a lot of passion
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and purpose behind everythingshe's talking about and you know
that I wouldn't have it anyother way.
So, this is where we're acommunity that, that we stay in
rising from the ashes, right?
So, so yes, Dr.
Jill, tell us, give us just alittle bit of info.
I know you probably repeat thisa lot and I'm a little privy to
it, but give us a little outlineof your story and kind of how
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you got here, how you're morethan just a doctor with a degree
and with some information.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Thank you Bri.
Yeah, it so drives my passion,purpose, and I know your
community understands that wellfrom you and what you do.
Um, I grew up on a farm incentral Illinois.
I was one of five children.
Um, and you would think it wasthe most healthy idyllic place
in the world.
Very Norman wa Rockwell esque.
I had parents that have beenmarried over 50 years, like a
great salad communityfoundation.
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I went to a small community, um,high school where actually
academics were celebrated andjust, it was a really, really
wonderful childhood.
But unbeknownst to me, a lot ofthe chemicals that are used, um,
on growing corn and soybeans inthe traditional man manner,
which is what my father did, um,are very, very toxic to our
bodies.
And I did not know this growingup.
Um, but the well water we hadprobably had some contamination
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with pesticides and herbicidesand uh, things like atrazine,
which are known to be endocrinedisruptors.
And what that mean is they havea hormone like effect on the
body.
So for men, like risk ofprostate cancer for women, risk
of breast cancer.
And you know where the story isgoing because you heard in the
intro, I was in medical schooltraining to become a physician.
I had the heart of a healer andI again, grew up around even we
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had a, uh, organic garden wherewe grew vegetables and fruits
and things and ate a lot ofthings frozen, a lot of things.
So I really had a very helhealthy, holistic lifestyle.
And I decided to go intoallopathic conventional medicine
because I wanted to learn thebest of the system that
currently is reimbursable in theUS and actually start to change
and move the system to a moreholistic way.
Though even though I was in thisallopathic model of, you know,
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traditional pharmaceuticals anddrugs and surgery, there's a
perfectly appropriate place forthat if you have a heart attack
or whatever.
But I had this heart of a healerthat really wanted to make
change and say, how do weactually stay well and thrive?
But I had no idea that I wasgoing to face cancer in the
midst of my medical journey.
And at the age, literally oneweek after my 25th birthday, so
I just turned 25, I found a lumpin my breast and I didn't think
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anything of it.
Cuz I mean, you know, youngwomen fibrocystic breast, it
doesn't mean it's cancer.
And usually young women do notget cancer.
I was so busy with rotationsdoing 36 hour shifts at a time,
insane amount of work and I justdidn't even have time for it.
But at the urging of my husbandat the time, I went ahead and
got an ultrasound, a mammogram,needed a biopsy.
And I never forget that day.
(05:06):
I was sitting in the chair in myliving room condo in Chicago and
I get a call from the surgeonand she said, Jill, I don't know
how to tell you this, but youhave aggressive breast cancer.
You're 25, which means you'regonna be in the fight of your
life.
I'm sure your listeners knowpeople who've had breast cancer.
It's so common.
I bet every single one of thelisteners knows someone, friend,
(05:27):
family, someone in their circlethat has had this.
But it's a whole differentdisease when it hits young women
versus 50, 60, 70, it's muchmore slow growing.
It can still be deadly.
It's a very serious disease.
But in 20 somethings it's adeath sentence.
And to prove that, I was withthe young women's group under
40, so there's a support groupin Chicago where I was diagnosed
and I am the only one stillliving Brit.
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Like it's wow, I'm a miracle.
And I kind of knew in the earlydays of that, that I was facing,
you know, something that couldabsolutely take my life.
And the moment I get that call,my life changed forever.
And I didn't know if I had sixweeks or six months or six
years.
But what I knew is that I wasborn to be a healer.
I was born to learn.
And what I've learned over theyears is every single
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experience, especially the mostdifficult ones, has meaning and
purpose if we allow it to.
And even at that very beginningstage when I was afraid I didn't
know what to do, I had thissense that there was something
greater if I hung on.
That's like on a roller coasterhanging on for dear life, right?
And you're like, okay, what'scoming?
This is terrifying, but there'sgotta be something good.
And this is one of the things Iteach in the book is perspective
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matters.
So even at the early stages, Iwas scared.
I didn't know what was gonnahappen.
I didn't know what I needed todo to treat it.
I knew that if I looked for themeaning and purpose, if I looked
for the bigger, um, uh, lessonthere, then something good would
come of it.
And I would have never, uh,known in a million years how
that could have transformed mypractice of medicine.
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But it was probably one of themost powerful, not only
teachers, but even platforms forme to speak and share and, and
help humanity.
Because I've been there.
I've been a patient, I know whatit's like.
I went on to have three drug,very aggressive chemotherapy.
Basically they took me up to themaximum allowed dose before my
heart stop beating.
And literally for the lifetime Ican never have those drugs again
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because I've had the maximumcapacity my body could handle.
So it was devastating.
The kind of the, the treatmentwas a lot harder than the breast
cancer itself.
Yeah, I lost all my hair.
I learned a new word forhairless.
It's called G laborious.
So instead of bald, I'm like,I'm g laborious,
instead of much, much nicer tosay.
But I was bald and I was, youknow, weak.
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I was sick from that.
And nine months later I gotthrough radiation, multiple
surgeries, chemotherapy.
I was a wreck because thosedrugs are so toxic to the body.
But I'd beat cancer and I cameout of that a shell of myself
and went right back intorotations.
And this is one of the lessonsI've learned in the book and
shared too, is like how to relove and be kind to herself.
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Because at that PO point in mylife, I was just pushing,
pushing, pushing and suppressingmy true needs and suppressing my
need to rest and just beinglike, no, I have to show up.
And of course, growing up in afarm, it's like that pull up by
the bootstraps mentality where,you know, we have to show up and
be strong and don't be weak andall those mindset things.
And I really had to work toovercome that.
But in my 26th year right afterbreast cancer, I didn't know any
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better.
So I went right again back intorotations, back into insane
schedule.
I was so sick and I startedhaving cyclical fevers, started
having abdominal pain, I justchalked it up to the treatment
cuz it was so toxic.
But one day I couldn't ignore itanymore.
When I passed out in theemergency room, I'm taking a
patient's blood pressure and I'mon the floor and I was rushed
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into the ER as a patient.
And that night I went intoemergency surgery for an abscess
that was brewing in my gut.
And the next morning I came outand the surgeon came in to tell
me how the surgery had went.
And he said, Jill, you haveCrohn's disease.
So this is within a year periodof time.
And my second life-threateningdiagnosis.
Again, I was kind of in shock,like what in the world?
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Now in hindsight, I know thosechemotherapeutic drugs, which
saved my life, also created amassive intestinal permeability.
So massive leaky gut.
And then I was geneticallyprogrammed to overreact the
bacteria that was leaking fromthe gut into the bloodstream
into create Crohn's, which iswhen your body, your immune
system goes awry and starts toattack your own tissues.
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So once again, life-threatening,my GI doctor that I followed up
with a week later said, Jill,you're gonna be on lifelong
immune modulating drugs.
You need steroids, you'reprobably gonna have part of your
colon removed over yourlifetime.
And this is incurable.
I mean, he gave me a lot of hope.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Mm-hmm.
.
Oh my.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And I remember like sitting there thinking, okay,
what can I do?
And I knew some of the holisticprinciples, but I was still
really quite ignorant.
Mm-hmm.
.
And the last question I askedhim was, you know, doc, I'll do
whatever I can.
Does diet have anything to dowith this?
Like, what should I eat?
He did not stop, pause.
He just said, Jill, diet hasnothing to do with this.
Mm-hmm.
.
And this lesson was my heartbecause my intuition was like, I
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didn't know much.
I was a 30 medical student, Ihad no major nutritional
background.
My mind said, okay, I need tobelieve this doctor.
Right?
But my heart was like, thatcan't be true.
How does diet not have anythingto do with the gut and the gut
inflammatory disease?
So I went to prove him wrong andI found a certain diet called
specific carbohydrate diet,which I talk about in the book.
And within two weeks of changingmy diet, my fevers, my
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inflammation was gone.
So I wasn't cured.
It took many years to fix thegut, but that was my highlight
into number one, trusting myintuition.
And I wanna take, talk to thelisteners out there because many
of you have had illness, havehad issues.
You've gone to a doctor said,doctor, I don't feel well, can
you please help me?
They do some tests and they said, everything looks fine.
There's nothing wrong with you.
That's called medicalgaslighting.
(10:38):
Mm-hmm.
and I wanna talkabout that to some extent
because you know, your body,even if you're with a
professional and they know maybemedical education more than you,
I wanna encourage you to trustyour heart.
In this sense, I trusted myselfand I literally considered today
myself cured from Crohn'sbecause of that trust and my
intuition.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
That's that's beautiful.
And, and yes, and, and just totouch on this too, and it's
never to, you know, depreciatemedical professionals, you know,
we need them.
But we talk about this a lot andwe've had enough doctors on
here, and I love the functionalmedicine doctors for this
reason, because traditionalmedicine consists, I mean, just
the training of, you know,regular medicine is like 40%
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pharmacology.
Yes.
It's okay, let's understand thebiology of the body.
Let's understand all thesedisorders and, and conditions,
and then let's find the rightpill or whatever to treat the,
and which more often than not isa symptom.
And the doctors that likeyourself who move their way, and
you have such a story in whatbrought you there personally,
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which is even cooler.
But the doctors that move theirweight into expanding beyond
that and knowing beyond that isbecause they start to understand
that this body is multifacetedand not just on a physical
level, but on an emotional and amental and a spiritual level.
And that we are not looking at,we're looking through this itty
bitty little scope.
And then yes, medicalgaslighting, I'm huge about, uh,
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you know, uh, mental likemanipulation and things like
that.
Right?
There's so much in our, in ourworld environment and yes.
And there's so much authority inlike, I love that you brought
that up because there's so muchauthority in what a doctor says
or what, you know, where weperceive this, this, these words
to be so true.
And they can be a, they cancause a death sentence.
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I believe two people who giveinto that.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I totally agree.
Yeah.
And I just wanna encourage thatit's really in that heart space
so we can be up here in ananalytical mind, right?
That's a great source of wisdom.
But there's this heart bodyspace where you as a listener,
if you've been throughsomething, you know, gosh, this
doesn't feel right or somethingfeels wrong.
I just wanna encourage you totrust that because part of my
journey was learning to trustthat part, that intuition, that
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heart space.
And, and that's part of thehealing because your body knows,
and you may not have all theknowledge or education, but you
can find it.
And you just wanna empower thelistener.
Because for me, as, and I was inmedical school, right?
I was trained, I was a trainedmedical professional and I still
needed to trust that heart spacefor sometimes the direction to
go.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
And we always say, we have a saying, and with our
coaches, I always say, rememberyou guys, you are not there to
help.
Like first of all, you know,you're not a doctor, you stay in
your scope of practice as acoach, but you're a great guide.
But the individual is their ownbest practitioner.
And I always say that, yes,there's nobody that can ever
know your own body and yourjourney and all the things like
you.
And even the best, most skillfuldoctor, physician or anything is
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a contributor to your journey.
Like you have to take thosereins.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah.
So coaches listen to, to Bretthere, because this is so, no, I
love this because, and as acoach you have this incredible,
just like me, we have thisincredible privilege of sitting
in a holy space, this sacredspace with a client or the
patient and they pour out to youstuff they may never told anyone
else.
And to me that is like the mostsacred gift in the world to be
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part of that place with them.
And when you hold that spacewith unconditional love and
acceptance and you say, I'lllisten to you.
I am here with you, you guyshave such a powerful job and
it's so, so important.
And we as physicians needcoaches like you and like all
the people you're training Brit,because it is literally, to me,
it's sacred that space.
And so often when you create aspace for unconditional love and
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acceptance, they're gonna sharestuff they've never shared and
you're gonna help them in a waythat no one has ever helped them
because of that sacredrelationship.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yes.
Thank you for that.
That is, that is so true.
So true.
And, and, and you are.
So I had rearranged some ofthese questions actually, cuz I
actually retitled you guys, Iretitled this podcast.
Um, I don't remember whatoriginally had it titled titled
that, but what his titled as nowis, was after going through more
of, of her stuff, and really Dr.
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Jill, you talk about, and we'regonna get into talking about
molden stuff, but I, becauseyou're so passionate, because
this is so important and becauseyou talk about the heart space,
this is something I'm still, I'mstill in my journey every day as
are most of the coaches, as aremost of our clients, right?
Like, it's crazy how we'reempowered.
We are given the blessing ofbeing able to give even when
we're still in a process ofworking.
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Yes.
Like, maybe, maybe one day, likeI'm behind the scenes, like
going through it, doing allthese deep, deep things alone,
you know?
And the next day I'm called outto help someone else and, and I
can do it.
You can still show up whenyou're not there cuz you're
never there.
Right.
But you talk about really faithin the process and you share a
story in her book, you guys, sheshares a story about a patient
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who came to you and your clinicwas booked out three years.
And you, they basically, hermother, her her daughter was
very young and she says shedoesn't have three years.
We don't know if she has threemonths.
They were desperate, they'd seen40 doctors, nothing was working.
And they came to see you and youcouldn't do anything for her.
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But can you explain a little bitof what, what you did for her?
This is, this is really cool tome.
And, and, and when we talk aboutfaith here, guys, like I'm
respectful of every singlebelief system and everything,
but faith is something, I mean,we need to hang onto something,
especially when we go throughsuffering.
So can you just give a little
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah.
And before I do, I couldn'tagree more, Bri I have a deep
belief in God.
But you may out there be atheistor a Buddhist or Jewish or
Christian or whatever you comefrom or none of those.
And I just wanna say to me,faith is something much greater.
It's the how do we deal with theinevitable uncertainty of life
mm-hmm.
the stuff that, sowhatever your background is, I
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just wanna be so open and, andlet you know, when you listen to
me talk about this, I am notbringing any perspective.
I mean, I have a strong divineconnection.
Yeah.
But there is such openness toanyone out there, wherever
you're at, because uncertaintyis inevitable.
Right?
It's gonna happen.
And so often we build thesethings around just like
insurance policies that make usfeel like we have control.
And I think one of the greatestgifts we can give to our clients
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and ourselves is like realizingthat medicine and coaching and
all the things we do iscompletely uncertain.
There's not a black and whitelike, we'd like to think.
So I just wanna empower you inthat idea that faith is bigger
than just a certain religion.
That's not how I come here.
So thank you for that and thankyou for letting me be open.
Okay.
So the story, so Alex came to meand, uh, it still, it still, uh,
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chokes me up a little.
And she was so, so sick withLyme disease, mold illness, mass
cell activation, this commonchronic, serious, serious
illness.
Her gut was rejecting food.
And she came to me at such alate stage that we try, we still
tried to do things, but it, itwasn't very helpful.
And what I did though is justlike we talked about a moment
ago, I just sat there and likeopened my heart to, okay, what
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can I do?
And opened my heart to justunconditionally being present
with this beautiful child, 22.
But she was, you know, a girl.
And, um, I read the intake as Ikind of felt this hopelessness.
I'm sure as a coach, do you everfeel like you're with this
patient and you have all thisknowledge, you have all this
ability to help, but they'rethese situations where you're
like, I feel kind of helplessand I'm gonna say as even a
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expert functionalist and doctor,I've been there, I get it.
And I was in that place withAlex.
I was like, gosh, I don't knowwhat I can do to turn this
around.
And I looked on her intake formand she said, faith in God was
important to her.
And again, I only do this.
I I reach where I go into wherethey're at.
Right.
I'm not gonna put anything.
But I said, can I pray with you?
And we just had this like momentof divine connection about first
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of all, what's mean, yourpurpose for you as a patient,
um, what, you know, could you dosomething greater in this last,
you know, part of your life?
It ended up, she created afoundation like that kind of
time with her navigating whatreally matters to you.
And, uh, having that like prayerblessing and peace and, and lack
of pain for her, um, allowed herto think about something bigger.
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And she literally created afoundation to help patients get,
uh, medical needs and testingand stuff so they could prevent
where she was.
And her mom wrote a memoirthat's been acclaimed and all
this happened.
She ended up dying.
I mean, that's like the ultimateawful outcome as a coach or a
doctor, right?
But what I see now is her motheris in the world during the
message that her daughter wantedto share, she's created a
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foundation that has hundreds ofthousands of dollars to help
patients like herself.
And this greater thing came outof it.
And so I realized we're allterminal, right?
That's really hard to thinkabout.
Mm-hmm.
.
So like what meaning and purposeand passion do we and how can we
impart in the clients yourcoaching?
Because the things that livebeyond us are what really,
really matters or our passionand purpose while we're still
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here and we're not guaranteedanother breath.
Mm-hmm.
.
So it's how do we kinda havethat perspective a meaning
purpose?
And for me it was profound andit was profound, Bri to share
that in the book, he said, couldbe a failure on my part.
Right.
You could look at it like, oh mygosh, she died.
Like that's tragic, but I wantedto celebrate it because death is
inevitable.
And how do we like live life tothe fullest in the best way that
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we can while we still havebreath and life.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Absolutely.
And I think, you know, I'mfinding in my own journey
through things that we try sohard to latch onto control and
this need for, uh, this, thisvision, this illusion that we
have of control A, is absolutelydetrimental to us, to our
physical bodies and our healthand our adrenals and all these
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things.
And also to our mind becausethen we live in more fear.
We live in stress and angst ofall the stuff that we're trying
to control.
Like in in, if we were to justcome to that understanding, I
think what, when you brought upthat, that faith piece, um, and
I just did a little class onthis a bit ago, but I was like,
the aspect of faith is, istrust.
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It's a trust that like no matterhow ugly or how hard or whatever
I may face right here and now Itrust it like that the outcome
for me is always going to begreat on, in the end no matter
what.
And that this life is ultimatelyvery short, you know, for in, in
the grand scheme of things.
And so she, like, she lived aripple effect.
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She had a purpose to create thisripple effect that's still
rippling and that is reallybeautiful.
And she turned around and shehad faith in the process of, of
what her calling was during hertime here.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I love that.
And I would also say, you know,my resilience is in the title
and it's something I wanna partwith you and everyone who reads
it.
And to me, resilience is whatyou just said, Brett.
It's like knowing that no matterwhat comes our way, that we will
have the reason.
We may not have'em right now atthis moment, but in real time
when something comes that'sunexpected, very difficult, we
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will have what we need toovercome or to get through it.
Yeah.
And I, at this point, after allthe things I've been through,
finally I'm far from perfect.
I still have doubt and fear andI'm human, but I have a, a sense
of certainty about I will beable to overcome or deal with
whatever comes my way.
And that's part of what I'mgonna give to your audience.
And you and anyone who reads abook is like, you too can have
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that assurance that you havewhat you need, that we have the
resources we need.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
It's freedom.
It's like soul freedom.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
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And so your journey after thispoint, so you've got the Crohn's
disease and now you're, you'reputting that into a remission
kayley.
You're, you're not only puttingyourself through medical school
at these early years when whenreally we're not very
emotionally mature yet.
Right.
Right.
Like as life goes on, we just,we think like, I'm so mature
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right now and in three yearsI'll laugh about how mature
quote unquote I am.
Right.
.
Right.
You know, I'll be, you know, 40plus and be like, oh yeah, that
was cute.
Totally.
But so after you do this, thenyou start having additional
issues.
And this time it is relative tomold and yeah, we hear about
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mold a lot, but tell us a littlebit about that.
I think it's something we needto take way more seriously.
And tell us a little bit aboutwhat you dealt with there and
what it can look like in as faras symptoms and experiences that
people may be having.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Sure.
So got through Crohn's, gotthrough cancer and it took me a
while to rebuild as you canimagine.
But I was doing really well.
And in 2010 I moved to Boulder,Colorado to start a functional
medicine practice.
Prior to that I had been inIllinois and uh, was thriving.
I was running marathons, I washiking, I was skiing, I mean
very good health.
And I thought, okay, all this isbehind me.
And then 2013 there was amassive flood in Boulder.
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It was called the thousand yearflood.
It flooded.
Just literally did billions ofdollars of damage, completely
flooded the city.
And the area surrounding myoffice was in Boulder, my
medical office.
And it was already kind of anolder seventies building and the
flood took it to the next levelas far as water damage.
And there were several thingsabout it.
And the basement had flooded andthere was already mold growing
there.
Got a lot worse.
And I was, my office was on thesecond floor right above a crawl
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space that was unfinished withstanding water.
Mm-hmm.
, I didn't know anyof this cuz I didn't know mold
was an issue.
Right.
And then the other thing that Ithink is actually kind of funny
now, but not funny.
Um, my office, we rebuilt withbeautiful bamboo floors and kind
of remodeled it.
And my contractor, who I didn'tknow any better, he put bamboo
flooring right on top of old,like 20 year old carpet.
So, and the boost soft.
So every time you'd step, you'dsquish this old and the carpet
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was probably full of mold andgross stuff.
It's all that to say.
2014, the year after the flood,I started having brain fog.
I would, you know, I was reallyclear with the medical stuff,
but as far as like names andwords, I would have trouble with
words and names.
Um, and I started havingshortness of breath as I'd walk
up the stairs with the patients.
I started having red, irritatedeyes, rashes, infections, and oh
so many things.
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Uh, nuance, adult asthma andsinus issues, which I've never
had.
And I knew something was goingon.
Um, but I didn't quite know.
And I always have compassion forthose who have had mold related
illness who are maybe goingthrough it because, um, there's
a piece of denial that's veryreal in many people's lives
because it either means you haveto move or your workplace, or, I
mean it often involvesoverwhelming sacrifice.
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Yeah.
And it's overwhelming.
Mm-hmm.
and mold itself,literally keto and some of these
um, uh, black molds that createmycotoxins in sabotage and cause
us to feel more overwhelmed.
Like that's part of thephysiology of the toxin.
So needless to say, I was goingdownhill and I did not know what
it was.
But finally I was getting sickenough.
I tested the, um, basement,walked in with an inspector and
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tested my body for urine and itmatched, it was black toxic mold
and triazines, the toxics theyproduce.
So I literally, when I found outall the information, I never
again set foot in my office.
I left everything including 20years of books.
So I love books.
So I, I left everything.
I completely started over.
I went, I started worked out ofmy house while I looked for a
new office space.
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And it was devastating cuz hereI am physically completely
affected by mold, overwhelmed,exhausted rashes, infections.
I was so, so sick.
And just like in med school, Ihad this like, okay, I just
gotta keep going.
Um, but it was really, reallyhard.
And I ended up finding new spaceand getting established.
And what I had to do, just likeeverything else, is I had to
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figure this out to survive.
So I kind of defaultaccidentally became the mold
expert because I had to dive andsay, how do we recover from
this?
And what we know now is one infour people have difficult
ability to tag those toxins thatmold produces in our body.
So it's not like mold colonizesour body, although it can, but
the toxins that mold is spewingout the fumes.
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It's like the, the size ofsmoker formaldehyde, they're 2.5
microns or less.
So they're extremely small.
We inhale them and they godirectly into our alveoli, into
our bloodstream without evenbeing transported.
So you can be in a moldybuilding within five seconds and
inhale those spores and they'rein your bloodstream.
And again, it's not likecolonization, like the mold is
always growing in the body, butthe toxins that the mold is
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producing to protect itself,they do go in the body and the
effect, and they can haveimmunosuppressive effects, they
can have nephrotoxic, kidneytoxic effects, lung toxic
effects, brain toxic effects.
And this is documented so wellin the literature.
In fact, one of the ones that Iwas exposed to, triazines, which
is the toxic black nasty mold,um, has been used in chemical
warfare.
Like it's been studied becauseit's so, so toxic to humans.
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So I had to figure out what todo.
And like I said, one in fourpeople like myself had trouble
tagging that.
So I really learned and divedeep.
And at the core you have to getout of the main exposure, which
I moved and got out of thatbuilding.
And then you have to work ondetox and we can go into some of
those principles of basic detoxon how to do that.
But I had to learn how to dothat.
And it, it really took, I'd sayabout 18 months to get recovered
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in maybe 80% better.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
And what do you think about this?
Because obviously, and obviouslyin coaching there's a lot of
women and so we're men, we'rewaiting for you to jump on the
bandwagon.
I mean,, I'm like, you'regonna have a rad niche if more
men jump into actual healthcoaching.
But we have a lot of women andso hear a lot about and and
female clients of women andthings like that and hormonal
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issues or, or like invisibleillness is such a thing, thyroid
malfunction, adrenal, et cetera,et cetera.
So the hard thing for me, whatare your thoughts on the, either
the co relationship or just theconfusion between, okay, I'm,
I've got brain fog, I've gotfatigue, I've got this and this
and could it be mold or or is itmaybe my thyroid or is it this,
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like how do we decipher some ofthis?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Oh, such a great question but so, um, mold has an
effect on every system in thebody.
And I'm gonna tell you right nowhow it affects the thyroid, the
adrenals of hormones because itall works together.
What I've seen is after thismold exposure and realizing how
massively crazy that the moldaffected every system and
getting well from it andlearning how to teach patients
to do the same.
I didn't wanna go from that andsay, okay, everybody has mold
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cause that's not true.
But I will tell you over andover and over again at the root
of autoimmunity, of chronicfatigue, of unexplained
migraines, of unexplained, um,hormonal disruptions, of
unexplained thyroid adrenalissues over and over and over
again, I found mold.
So have a high index ofsuspicion because if you're not,
what I find today is ifsomeone's like all the stuff I
should that should be helping,we, we modulate the thyroid, we
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support the adrenals, we do thehormones.
Men are fe male or female andthen they're not getting, well
think mold.
So if you're stuck and there'ssomething like, hmm, why aren't
they getting well, mold is atthe top of my list and I over
and over again shockingly foundit was an issue.
So let's talk about how thisrelates to hormone thyroids
adrenal.
Okay.
It absolutely does.
So, uh, multiple sabotage thepituitary and the function of
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the pituitary, one thing thatwill happen is antidiuretic
hormone will go down.
So you have someone who has,that's the regulatory, that's
vasopressin, which regulates ourhydration.
So it basically keeps ushydrated as we drink, we
maintain the volume of ourblood.
But if we have no a D h, wedrink and we pee and we drink
and we pee and we cannotmaintain hydration.
So one of the symptoms of maltoxicity is frequent urination
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gaining up urinate at night.
Um, a lot of people, I even knowpatients currently, they know
they have had mold exposure.
If they start having to go tothe bathroom frequently and
usually the urine becomeslighter because it's diluted cuz
the body cannot concentrate itanymore.
So they're walking around,they're drinking, drinking,
drinking cuz they're thirsty andthey're peeing all the time and
they cannot maintain hydrationeven though the drinking gallons
of water a day.
So that's number one.
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That's the antidiuretic hormone.
Um, then we talk about estrogen,progesterone, testosterone, D h
E A, these are all the hormones.
Men or women, there's an enzymecalled aromatase.
Aromatase will convert yourtestosterone and precursors to
estrogen.
It's okay, it's normal, we allhave it.
But with mold that aromatasewill be upregulated.
And so in men or women, you'llhave excessive estrogen dominant
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symptoms and or breasts,fibrocystic breasts, painful
heavy periods, irregular cycles,um, you know, p m s symptoms,
moodiness, bloating, like allthese symptoms of estrogen
dominance.
Men will have weight gain, lackof libido, um, man boobs, a
central obesity though diabetes.
So both men and women can beaffected.
And I frequently see as aprecursor, if you're looking at
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lab values, you might seetestosterone incredibly low in
men or women.
And that often is a trigger forme to look at mold as a
possibility.
Cuz it's polling all thepreachers of testosterone, you
have no testosterone left andthen you have lots of estrogen
and that could be harmful.
That can even cause cancers likehormone, wood cancers.
Um, adrenal.
So atomium, one of their mostnasty toxic molds out there pre
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produces koma gleen and othertrico.
And these particular ones I'veseen actually suppress cortisol
though in some mold cases we'llsee really, really high cortisol
and they're so stressed and soanxious and they're cortisol in
the serums like above 20.
Or if you're doing some of theother hormone tests, the the
morning will be really, reallyhigh.
That's one side.
The other side is their flatline.
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They have no cortisol, they'reextremely exhausted.
And I've also seen thisexacerbated with long covid
because one of the things I'veseen over and over again with
long covid is the adrenals areaffected and the cortisol
extremely low.
And those symptoms people wouldhave would be dizzy or
lightheaded.
Cuz again, they can't regulatevolume.
They might be extremelyexhausted or craving salt.
Um, anything that's coming theirway as a stressor is gonna feel
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way more overwhelming.
So they're gonna feel way moreoverwhelmed because their
cortisols are buffer to theworld.
They might have new onset foodallergies or new onset breathing
issues like asthma or allergies.
They might have more chemicalsensitivity.
Again, cortisols are buffer tothe world to protect us from
overreacting.
And so whether it's emotional orphysical or chemical.
And if we don't have thatcortisol, we tend to be very,
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very sensitive to things, veryoverreactive.
Uh, again, not only emotional,but just the physical, um, body
and the allergies, the asthma,the mast cell stuff can be
worse.
And then thyroid.
And thyroid.
It's funny cuz your tssh isgonna look pretty good.
Your t4 T3 might look prettygood.
Yeah, right?
Mm-hmm.
, so you're like,you look okay, but they have
trouble.
Either the receptors can beblocked or the conversion of T4
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to t3.
So you can have someone wholooks euthyroid looks pretty
normal, but they feel hypothyweight.
They lose the outer third oftheir eyebrows, which is a, uh,
path pneumonic for hypothyroid.
Or they're getting swollen.
You can actually see a goiter orissues with their, um, gland in
their neck if you're, you know,uh, if they've maybe done an
exam with a, with a doctor.
Um, so all those things.
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And then, um, gosh, there's somany things related to hormones.
So adrenals, we have a, uh,estrogen dominance, we have the
thyroid, um, and, and theexhaustion because this really
affects the mitochondria.
But that's what you might seeand you might be going after.
It's perfectly fine to go afterthe cortisol, go after the
thyroid, but you're gonna beplaying whack-a-mole.
Mm-hmm.
, you're gonna bewhackamole.
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And the big issue in thebackground is the mold and it's
not, um, being helped.
One of the thing reallyimportant, if you have someone
who comes in, especiallyfemales, but males too, where
all of a sudden they're notchanging their diet, they're not
changing anything about whatthey're doing.
They've gained 20, 30, 40, 50pounds, right?
Mm-hmm.
, they're doingthis massive weight gain mold
will stick in the leptinreceptors and cause leptin
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resistance.
So this is really a big dealbecause almost anything they do
will be sabotaged.
They can't lose weight.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Mm-hmm.
.
Oh, that's so interesting.
And I feel like one of mysisters dealt with a lot of this
and she had an obvious moldproblem in her house, and then
she got, um, oh, she got reallysick with multiple things and we
were in in, in thyroid, uh, youknow, symptoms and all this
stuff too.
So I'm, I'm, there's so manypeople that are going to get
benefit from this question.
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So when, if you're going to, shegot all this stuff, where do
people start?
Do they start with mold or dothey start with the other things
first?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
That's a great question.
So, um, like I said, I didn'twanna be the person who had mold
and thinks everything's mold.
Like, you think everything lookslike this and then, right.
So I've been extremelydeliberate about being
objective, but shockingly overand over and over I'm like, oh,
here we go again.
It's mold.
So first of all, the first thingis have a high index of
suspicion.
So have that in the back of yourmind.
Like, okay, if we do, becauseyou can still start with
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checking thyroid, checkingadrenals, checking, and again,
within your scope of practice,making advice as far as what to
do nutritionally or otherwise.
But when you think of mold iswhen you get stuck.
Now in my practice now, I havepeople on a waiting list and I,
they've been waiting, they'veseen a lot of doctors.
So when someone comes into menow, I do a big swath of
testing.
So I'll do all of the hormones,all the stuff we just talked
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about on every level.
I'll check for infections andtoxins.
And here's a little snippet,tidbit at the core of functional
medicine.
This is a pearl.
Uh, so I think almosteverything, chronic complex
inflammatory is either toxicload or infectious burden or
some combination of the two.
So if you're thinking on thoselines, again, you don't have to
be there in the beginning, butthink about the patient coming
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in as there's probably beentoxic exposures, mold being one
of them, them, um, maybe mold inthis case, maybe heavy metals,
maybe paraben, stites or otherchemicals.
And infectious burden is likethose old things, like maybe a
tick bite at 12 years old orEpstein bar at 19 or chickenpox
at five.
And all those old infections ina weakened immune system will
start to pop up.
But a more complex level toxicload, infectious burden is the
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thing that's driving what yousee as far as the thyroid, the
adrenals, the hormones, thefatigue, the, so we're up here,
which is perfect place to start.
You look at the thyroid, youlook at the adrenals, you get
the lifestyle, and you canalways start simple.
Start with clean air, cleanwater, clean food, basic, basic
principles, their lifestylestuff.
You can start there.
But then if they're not gettingbetter, go to the hormone,
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adrenal, thyroid kind of at thatwhole axis.
And then if they're not gettingbetter, go to mold and go to, so
you can still start in that sameorder, but when you encounter
resistance or you're doingeverything right with diet and
exercise, they're not losingweight.
Mold might be an issue.
So you can definitely still putit in the second or third tier.
And what I was explaining isbecause this people have been
waiting, I'm usually throwingeverything out there and doing a
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huge workout, including mold inthe beginning.
But you don't have to startthere.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
And so, so when it comes to if we're gonna test our
homes for mold mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
How do we know what's a good test?
Because I, we came from a house,my whole family and especially
during 2020, and I had a, ababy, a geriatric unexpected
pregnancy at 35.
My husband and I have six kidsbetween the two of us.
We are remarried, we have a, hismine and ours, we have a blended
family.
We have six kids under the ageof 12.
And we combine this family andI'm pregnant with this, this
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surprise baby girl.
And before we know it, within 448 hours of moving everybody in
this house, we're locked downwith covid and six kids, or five
kids and one on the way.
And we are the parents that aregonna figure out how to
homeschool them in this chaos,right?
Yeah.
Because the other parents havejob jobs,, and we can,
we're flexible, so it'scrazy.
But the house at the time wasreally nice house by, you know,
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the golf course and stuff, butit was really near our lake.
It's really pretty and stuff.
We're in northern Idaho.
It's old though, and it's jankyand it smells old.
It smelled like, you know, anold grandma's house, uhhuh or
something that I can relate.
And it smelled like mold all thetime.
And, and I was, and we had allkinds of stuff.
And of course this is around thetime of Covid and we got six
kids, they're petri dishes.
But I was telling my husbandleft and right.
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I'm like, I think there's moldhere.
We finally, we got it tested andit came out fine.
And I still, he in in, in, youknow, my husband's was really
trusting and he's in realestate, he's really trusting the
people that did it.
They were like freaks abouttesting it.
But I still to this day, thatgut thing, that instinct thing
still tells me that that's notaccurate.
(38:16):
So would you be looking for withtesting?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, let's talk about testing cuz this is one of
the most complex, and I willjust say real clearly I am not
the environmental expert.
But because I love patients andwant them to heal, I've had to
really, really get to know thisand I think I can bring you some
good information.
But always, if you want aresource, um, indoor air quality
professionals, there's iaq.org Ibelieve.
Um, and also ICI is a nonprofit,it's International Society for
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Environmentally AcquiredIllness.
That's a mouthful, but it's is ea i.org again, nonprofit.
Um, they have, uh, resourceswith either docs at no mold or
also uh, uh, professionalsbecause you might need a
professional sometime or or yourclients.
But let's go to what you can do.
So I still recommend.
So basically we have, there'sPetri dishes you can buy at Home
Depot or Lowe's and put themout.
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Those are the poor man's way andthey're not bad.
But what happens is this, thistoxic black stuff that I, and
they're even not even alwaysblack, but the titanium stacky
batters are really, really toxicmolds.
They tend to need a water sourceand they're not typically in the
air.
They might be like afterHurricane Katrina, if your whole
house flooded, you probably havestacky in the air.
But generally, even if there's abig issue behind a wall in a
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basement, in a cross space ofthese really toxic black molds,
they're sticky, they're dark,they like to live under
floorboards in the, you know,uh, paneling behind the wall and
you're not gonna find them veryoften.
And then the air, so airsampling is fine.
And if you have an issue withasperges penicillin, which is
much more common, early mold,not quite as toxic, you might
find it in the air, but if youfind stacky or keto in the air,
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it's a big issue because thoseguys usually don't, they hide
behind the walls.
And let me just explain thephysiology of mold, that's kinda
like a dead flower arrangementor you know, or corsage maybe
held from high school and it'sdead and dried, right?
And if you were to flick that orblow on it, it would just
scatter into a million pieces.
It's like, you know, veryfragile mold spores are like
that.
So if it's like behind the wallbeside me here, it's gonna kind
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of stay.
It might not even be livinganymore.
It could be dead mold.
But the fragments, if you startto disrupt that or open that up,
the fragments of that dead moldwill still cause immune in and
issues infl inflammation inpatients.
And then right now, even if thatmold's behind the wall, it's
contained, it's not out in myenvironment, it's still the
microtoxins I mentioned.
And they're a fraction of thesize of the spores.
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So they are literally 2.5microns, which is the same as a
virus and the same as like smokeor formaldehyde.
So these are like fumesliterally they can go right
through the wall.
So what I wanted to say is,number one, you can do Petri
dishes, but often the stuffthat's in the air could be
serious and you see somethingand the portman's test without
even sending them in, if youhave four or less colonies on
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the plate, it's less likely anissue.
If you have five to eightcolonies on the plate, it's a
medium load.
If you have nine or above, it'sa pretty high load.
And again, that might just be aneasy cheap test to say, could
there be an issue?
The second thing I recommend issomething called ermi.
Now the ERMI test itself is thennot validated.
So the technology under the erm,but you still see it as ermi.
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Um, so we don't call it ermianymore, but the technology is
called qPCR R.
What it means is you take a dustsample of your home and you say,
is there any dust fragments, DNAof mold in the dust of my house?
Now I find that to be as good orbetter than air samples,
there's, you shouldn't saybetter because there's a place
for both, right?
But you can do this at homeyourself.
You can order yourself, I thinkthink in viral biotics.com and
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micrometric.com has these tests.
You can order them as a clientpatient.
You don't need a doctor's orderor a professional and you get a
Swiffer cloth and you take thatcloth around, wait like seven to
10 days between cleanings, getthe dust of your home, send it
in, they will look at DNA n inthe mold and give you a list.
And that's called the, butagain, the ERM number, ignore
it.
But you can look at those moldsand say, oh my gosh, there's 20
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stacky batteries in this dust.
That's a big deal.
So you can look at that dust.
And I've looked in, I've lookedat hundreds of those.
So I'll have patients bring themin and I'll look at them with
them.
And that's what you could do.
Or anyone could, could do ifthey're like, oh, the air
samples look good.
Now air samples are great,especially after mediation
because if you open up a wallcabin, you wanna know, did that
debris get stuck in the air inmy home?
Is it in the ducts?
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Um, and that's a big deal too.
But sometimes if it's stuckbehind a wall stuck under a
floorboard, the air sample willlook pretty good and you'll miss
it.
So it is one of those thingswhere you kind of wanna look at
different angles.
And the erm I love, which isalso, again, qPCR is the
technical name that is valid,um, is a great way that you can
have yourself, your clientscheck without an inspector.
Now inspector's the best if youget someone who really knows
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what they're looking for, but itcosts more money.
And these are kind of ways youcan start on your own.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
That's great.
Thank you for that information.
My husband's gonna be like, see,I told you the inspector
probably did a good job and I'mstill gonna be like, I don't
know how we got away withoutmolding the house.
Anyway, um, so when it comes tothis stuff, so I think you've
given us some awesome stuff tochew on.
When it comes to mold, I thinkit's something we need to talk
about cuz we are talking abouttoxic load a ton.
(43:09):
We need to talk about it more.
I think people are really awareof it being in chemicals and
body products and all that, butthey're not aware that of, of,
of full load that how like, likea little bit of this cannot be
healthy, but our body can rid it.
But the problem is, there're alittle bit of this in a lot of
things in our air, in our water,in our, everything we're using
and stuff.
And that's just too much for thebody.
(43:31):
Um, so I, I think this is a bigquestion, but you're good with
big questions like this.
So knowing that you can't savethe entire world, and I think
this is something a lot of usstruggle with, I think, um,
especially if we as coaches, wetend to call ourselves empaths a
lot.
And we are, and we also maybestruggle with co-dependency.
(43:51):
I mean it might be.
Um, but knowing that you can'tsave the entire world, which is
like a hard thing for peoplelike guess to swallow, um,
what's the biggest gift inwisdom that you would give those
struggling on their own journeyfor health and life?
Because the journey is going to,to, it's not linear and it's
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going to have these ups anddowns and sometimes the healing
process or the thing we gothrough, whether it's emotional,
physical, all of the above, thehealing process is un guaranteed
unknown.
The time can go on for a while.
Like, what's, what would yougift people knowing that you
can't save everyone?
Like what's your gift for them?
Speaker 2 (44:33):
So I think it's around, these are all lessons
I've learned myself still in theprocess with you all.
Um, but one thing that comes tomind is so many of us are driven
, um, and we, so many of us havethe messages from childhood,
maybe we're not worthy or we'renot lovable or we're not enough
or those are really common toall community.
And sometimes those things willdrive performance, achievement,
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success.
And we get on this treadmillbecause we think if we do the
next thing, we save the nextlife, if we do, if we help this
next client, then it'll beenough.
And I'm here to tell you frompersonal experience, it's never
enough.
You get on this treadmill andthere's another a hundred people
that need your help.
And so you're never gonna get tothat place where you feel, oh,
you might rest cuz you've helpedone person, but then the next
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day you wake up and like, I needto do this again.
And so if we can go inside inthat messaging of ourself and
realize that our worthiness doesnot come from us saving lives
and helping people, even thoughwe get great joy out of it, I do
too.
But it doesn't come from anotherlife saved or another
transformation in our, uh,clients.
It comes from the intrinsicknowledge that we are worthy of
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love just for being born, forbreathing, for being not the
doing.
So often I got caught up in thedoing, doing, doing, doing.
And that would give mevalidation, but the next day I
had to do it again.
And it's exhausting and it'simpossible to keep that up
because we get some, you know, agreat thing that happens and
then the next day we need to doit again.
But if you can start to loveyourself in the way and show
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that self-compassion, um, toknow that you are worthy just
for, and all of you are healersout there, that's why you're in
this profession.
Like that's a gift from thedivine that you have and you
have this ability to helppeople, but your abil, your
value, your worthiness does notrely on the number of people you
help.
And we can kind of pull thatapart and believe that we
intrinsically have value justfor breathing and showing up in
(46:25):
this world.
Um, that's powerful because thenwe don't have to prove to anyone
our value or our worth.
And again, this is stillprocess.
I'm in it with you every singleday, but it's so powerful and we
can shine that love andcondition, unconditional love on
people, and that's part of ourhealing ability.
But we have to reflect it toourself.
And I just literally write on aprescription band all the time.
(46:45):
Be kind to yourself, be kind toyourself, show yourself that
loving compassion and know thatyou're worthy just for being
you.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
That's beautiful.
I think that I'm, I'm, I'mlearning that more and more as
time goes on, that I think, Ithink it's easy to get into a
state of selflessness and the,the fulfillment that we get from
giving.
And especially if you've got abackground of pain, which most
of us do like and most coachesdo, most people that are in any
kind of profession like this,they have this personal story.
And so they just wanna save theworld.
(47:14):
They wanna give so much, but wecan bleed ourselves dry giving
all day long.
And then what happens is that wearen't as good anymore.
Our, our purpose now can't beseen as well and it's not able
to do his job because we're notadequate.
And so part of that, you know,that, that, like you said,
self-love and time for yourselfand our own healing process.
(47:36):
Taking that time to like, Hey,no, today I need to work
through, you know, my chronicanxiety, my, you know, symptoms
or autoimmune stuff.
Maybe I'm going through or myfear-based thinking or my, you
know, depression or whatever itis that I'm going through today,
I'm gonna go through today.
That doesn't make me any lessvaluable to the world tomorrow.
In fact, it makes me morevaluable.
.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Well, that's amazing.
So what can, what can theyexpect in unexpected?
What can people expect?
Because by the time this isgonna drop in a couple weeks
from today's recording day, andby then this book will be live
for purchase.
So I've, I've got my pre-orderalready, but they, it will be
live for everybody else.
So what can they expect andwhere can they find it and where
(48:19):
can they go for more of you?
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Thank you.
Um, the main mainland, you canfind it anywhere.
So anywhere you buy books, gothere.
It doesn't matter to me.
If you want, um, I put togethersome really fun for gifts that I
think for you coaches would begreat.
It's at read unexpected.com.
So just read unexpected.com.
Um, I've got a mast cellactivation lecture, so that'll
be helpful for, I've got a freecoloring journal cuz then part
of my journey was like goingback to that childlike state of
(48:43):
creativity and beauty and loveand, and innocence and coloring
for me was part of thattransformation.
So I have a, a coloring bookbasically that goes along with
the book.
Um, there's a recorded chapterthat's not in the book, so just
a bunch of just fun stuff thatyou can get there as well, um,
after you purchase the book.
But the bottom line is, um, mygoal in, in for the reader is,
(49:04):
it's my story, but it's notreally about me, it's about you.
And what I hope is that as youread my story and my journey,
you can see reflections of yourown journey and be encouraged
and inspired to become moreresilient in this thing.
We call it life and that we'rein it together.
And then besides that is allthese really, really practical
sidebars on how to cure formold, what labs test.
(49:25):
So there's gonna be some realpractical stuff, but my goal is
for you to actually enjoy thestory and be inspired in your
own journey.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Thank you so much Dr.
Jill.
Oh, thank you so much.
And where can we find, can yousay, I'm gonna put you guys, I'm
gonna put her stuff in the shownotes here too, but can you give
us your, your website link andstuff too?
Obviously we can find your bookanywhere.
Um, but where else can you giveus your website link one more
time?
Yes,
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Jillian.com.
Just my name has all kinds ofblogs and podcast and free
resources there.
Tons of free stuff on jillcorian.com as well.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
She's, she's humble but well known, so if you Google
her, we'll definitely find allher things.
But thank you so much, Jill.
You were light in the world.
You have survived all of thistime to be a contributor and you
are a gift to all of us.
Thank you so much for being onthe podcast.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Thank you for having me.
It's been my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Thank you for joining us for another empowering
episode of Budha Belly Life.
For more information on guthealth and mindset, resources,
visit budha belly life.com andremember, heal yourself and then
empower others to do the same.
What if every experience, every hardship,
every obstacle was given to you,not to break you, but to mold
you and strengthen you?
What if the center of yoursuffering was actually the key
to ultimate health?
And what if your own pain wasmeant to be the catalyst for
your greatest purpose?
Welcome to Budha Belly Life,empowering Purpose Mind to
(00:26):
Microbiome.
Welcome to the Budha Belly LifePodcast.
My guest today is renownedfunctional medicine practitioner
and author Jill Carnahan.
Dr.
Jill Carnahan Can't take awaythat whose new book Unexpected
is rocking the Souls of All ittouches.
These are just a few thingsbeing shared amongst the elite
(00:47):
community of functionalpractitioners.
Dr.
Mark Hyman states, Dr.
Jill Carnahan shares herriveting personal story and
using her and uses her shockingdiagnosis with aggressive breast
cancer at only 25 years old.
To introduce a new paradigm forreaders where fear and the
unknown are replaced withresilience, healing, and a very
realistic set of tools toinspire health and communication
(01:08):
with those who deal with inhealth.
Um, within the four of thisbook, you guys boast additional
support and praise from otherwell-known figures.
This are just a few, such asDave Asprey, Joan London, Dr.
Amy Meyers, Dr.
Frank Lipman, and many more.
In the forward of this book,which this is one of my, my
favorite pieces here, it waswritten by Dr.
Sarah Gottfried, who you guysare probably familiar with and
(01:29):
I'm really familiar with.
And she states this in referenceto Dr.
Jill.
I've observed in my 35 years ofpracticing medicine that people
who have experienced thegreatest hardships finding
cancer at a young age, dealingwith an incurable autoimmune
condition or getting exposed totoxic stress, toxic stress from
environmental chemicals, mold ortrauma, often become the most
soulful, compassionate healersand mystics searching for deeper
(01:51):
truths.
They're the people who tend tobuck convention, so it's rare to
find them in your local hospitalor clinic.
So with that said, we are soexcited to welcome to the
podcast Dr.
Jill Carnahan.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Thank you Brit.
And what a heartfelt, beautifulintroduction.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me heretoday.
I'm super excited.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well, your humility is really sweet, but you
absolutely learned it like orearned it like that.
Those were the cliff notes of alot of the stuff that I've read
about the work you've done inyour story and I love passion
and purpose.
So you guys, while we are goingto cover things like mold and
we're gonna get into some of herexpertise that's gonna benefit
more of you than you may believe, um, there's a lot of passion
(02:31):
and purpose behind everythingshe's talking about and you know
that I wouldn't have it anyother way.
So
rising from the ashes, right?
So, so yes, Dr.
Jill, tell us, give us just alittle bit of info.
I know you probably repeat thisa lot and I'm a little privy to
it, but give us a little outlineof your story and kind of how
(02:51):
you got here, how you're morethan just a doctor with a degree
and with some information.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Thank you Bri.
Yeah, it so drives my passion,purpose, and I know your
community understands that wellfrom you and what you do.
Um, I grew up on a farm incentral Illinois.
I was one of five children.
Um, and you would think it wasthe most healthy idyllic place
in the world.
Very Norman wa Rockwell esque.
I had parents that have beenmarried over 50 years, like a
great salad communityfoundation.
(03:17):
I went to a small community, um,high school where actually
academics were celebrated andjust, it was a really, really
wonderful childhood.
But unbeknownst to me, a lot ofthe chemicals that are used, um,
on growing corn and soybeans inthe traditional man manner,
which is what my father did, um,are very, very toxic to our
bodies.
And I did not know this growingup.
Um, but the well water we hadprobably had some contamination
(03:39):
with pesticides and herbicidesand uh, things like atrazine,
which are known to be endocrinedisruptors.
And what that mean is they havea hormone like effect on the
body.
So for men, like risk ofprostate cancer for women, risk
of breast cancer.
And you know where the story isgoing because you heard in the
intro, I was in medical schooltraining to become a physician.
I had the heart of a healer andI again, grew up around even we
(04:01):
had a, uh, organic garden wherewe grew vegetables and fruits
and things and ate a lot ofthings frozen, a lot of things.
So I really had a very helhealthy, holistic lifestyle.
And I decided to go intoallopathic conventional medicine
because I wanted to learn thebest of the system that
currently is reimbursable in theUS and actually start to change
and move the system to a moreholistic way.
Though even though I was in thisallopathic model of, you know,
(04:22):
traditional pharmaceuticals anddrugs and surgery, there's a
perfectly appropriate place forthat if you have a heart attack
or whatever.
But I had this heart of a healerthat really wanted to make
change and say, how do weactually stay well and thrive?
But I had no idea that I wasgoing to face cancer in the
midst of my medical journey.
And at the age, literally oneweek after my 25th birthday, so
I just turned 25, I found a lumpin my breast and I didn't think
(04:46):
anything of it.
Cuz I mean, you know, youngwomen fibrocystic breast, it
doesn't mean it's cancer.
And usually young women do notget cancer.
I was so busy with rotationsdoing 36 hour shifts at a time,
insane amount of work and I justdidn't even have time for it.
But at the urging of my husbandat the time, I went ahead and
got an ultrasound, a mammogram,needed a biopsy.
And I never forget that day.
(05:06):
I was sitting in the chair in myliving room condo in Chicago and
I get a call from the surgeonand she said, Jill, I don't know
how to tell you this, but youhave aggressive breast cancer.
You're 25, which means you'regonna be in the fight of your
life.
I'm sure your listeners knowpeople who've had breast cancer.
It's so common.
I bet every single one of thelisteners knows someone, friend,
(05:27):
family, someone in their circlethat has had this.
But it's a whole differentdisease when it hits young women
versus 50, 60, 70, it's muchmore slow growing.
It can still be deadly.
It's a very serious disease.
But in 20 somethings it's adeath sentence.
And to prove that, I was withthe young women's group under
40, so there's a support groupin Chicago where I was diagnosed
and I am the only one stillliving Brit.
(05:49):
Like it's wow, I'm a miracle.
And I kind of knew in the earlydays of that, that I was facing,
you know, something that couldabsolutely take my life.
And the moment I get that call,my life changed forever.
And I didn't know if I had sixweeks or six months or six
years.
But what I knew is that I wasborn to be a healer.
I was born to learn.
And what I've learned over theyears is every single
(06:10):
experience, especially the mostdifficult ones, has meaning and
purpose if we allow it to.
And even at that very beginningstage when I was afraid I didn't
know what to do, I had thissense that there was something
greater if I hung on.
That's like on a roller coasterhanging on for dear life, right?
And you're like, okay, what'scoming?
This is terrifying, but there'sgotta be something good.
And this is one of the things Iteach in the book is perspective
(06:31):
matters.
So even at the early stages, Iwas scared.
I didn't know what was gonnahappen.
I didn't know what I needed todo to treat it.
I knew that if I looked for themeaning and purpose, if I looked
for the bigger, um, uh, lessonthere, then something good would
come of it.
And I would have never, uh,known in a million years how
that could have transformed mypractice of medicine.
(06:51):
But it was probably one of themost powerful, not only
teachers, but even platforms forme to speak and share and, and
help humanity.
Because I've been there.
I've been a patient, I know whatit's like.
I went on to have three drug,very aggressive chemotherapy.
Basically they took me up to themaximum allowed dose before my
heart stop beating.
And literally for the lifetime Ican never have those drugs again
(07:12):
because I've had the maximumcapacity my body could handle.
So it was devastating.
The kind of the, the treatmentwas a lot harder than the breast
cancer itself.
Yeah, I lost all my hair.
I learned a new word forhairless.
It's called G laborious.
So instead of bald, I'm like,I'm g laborious,
instead of much, much nicer tosay.
But I was bald and I was, youknow, weak.
(07:33):
I was sick from that.
And nine months later I gotthrough radiation, multiple
surgeries, chemotherapy.
I was a wreck because thosedrugs are so toxic to the body.
But I'd beat cancer and I cameout of that a shell of myself
and went right back intorotations.
And this is one of the lessonsI've learned in the book and
shared too, is like how to relove and be kind to herself.
(07:53):
Because at that PO point in mylife, I was just pushing,
pushing, pushing and suppressingmy true needs and suppressing my
need to rest and just beinglike, no, I have to show up.
And of course, growing up in afarm, it's like that pull up by
the bootstraps mentality where,you know, we have to show up and
be strong and don't be weak andall those mindset things.
And I really had to work toovercome that.
But in my 26th year right afterbreast cancer, I didn't know any
(08:15):
better.
So I went right again back intorotations, back into insane
schedule.
I was so sick and I startedhaving cyclical fevers, started
having abdominal pain, I justchalked it up to the treatment
cuz it was so toxic.
But one day I couldn't ignore itanymore.
When I passed out in theemergency room, I'm taking a
patient's blood pressure and I'mon the floor and I was rushed
(08:35):
into the ER as a patient.
And that night I went intoemergency surgery for an abscess
that was brewing in my gut.
And the next morning I came outand the surgeon came in to tell
me how the surgery had went.
And he said, Jill, you haveCrohn's disease.
So this is within a year periodof time.
And my second life-threateningdiagnosis.
Again, I was kind of in shock,like what in the world?
(08:57):
Now in hindsight, I know thosechemotherapeutic drugs, which
saved my life, also created amassive intestinal permeability.
So massive leaky gut.
And then I was geneticallyprogrammed to overreact the
bacteria that was leaking fromthe gut into the bloodstream
into create Crohn's, which iswhen your body, your immune
system goes awry and starts toattack your own tissues.
(09:18):
So once again, life-threatening,my GI doctor that I followed up
with a week later said, Jill,you're gonna be on lifelong
immune modulating drugs.
You need steroids, you'reprobably gonna have part of your
colon removed over yourlifetime.
And this is incurable.
I mean, he gave me a lot of hope
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Mm-hmm.
Oh my.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And I remember like sitting there thinking, okay,
what can I do?
And I knew some of the holisticprinciples, but I was still
really quite ignorant.
Mm-hmm.
And the last question I askedhim was, you know, doc, I'll do
whatever I can.
Does diet have anything to dowith this?
Like, what should I eat?
He did not stop, pause.
He just said, Jill, diet hasnothing to do with this.
Mm-hmm.
And this lesson was my heartbecause my intuition was like, I
(09:53):
didn't know much.
I was a 30 medical student, Ihad no major nutritional
background.
My mind said, okay, I need tobelieve this doctor.
Right?
But my heart was like, thatcan't be true.
How does diet not have anythingto do with the gut and the gut
inflammatory disease?
So I went to prove him wrong andI found a certain diet called
specific carbohydrate diet,which I talk about in the book.
And within two weeks of changingmy diet, my fevers, my
(10:16):
inflammation was gone.
So I wasn't cured.
It took many years to fix thegut, but that was my highlight
into number one, trusting myintuition.
And I wanna take, talk to thelisteners out there because many
of you have had illness, havehad issues.
You've gone to a doctor said,doctor, I don't feel well, can
you please help me?
They do some tests and they said, everything looks fine.
There's nothing wrong with you.
That's called medicalgaslighting.
(10:38):
Mm-hmm.
because you know, your body,even if you're with a
professional and they know maybemedical education more than you,
I wanna encourage you to trustyour heart.
In this sense, I trusted myselfand I literally considered today
myself cured from Crohn'sbecause of that trust and my
intuition.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
That's that's beautiful.
And, and yes, and, and just totouch on this too, and it's
never to, you know, depreciatemedical professionals, you know,
we need them.
But we talk about this a lot andwe've had enough doctors on
here, and I love the functionalmedicine doctors for this
reason, because traditionalmedicine consists, I mean, just
the training of, you know,regular medicine is like 40%
(11:19):
pharmacology.
Yes.
It's okay, let's understand thebiology of the body.
Let's understand all thesedisorders and, and conditions,
and then let's find the rightpill or whatever to treat the,
and which more often than not isa symptom.
And the doctors that likeyourself who move their way, and
you have such a story in whatbrought you there personally,
(11:40):
which is even cooler.
But the doctors that move theirweight into expanding beyond
that and knowing beyond that isbecause they start to understand
that this body is multifacetedand not just on a physical
level, but on an emotional and amental and a spiritual level.
And that we are not looking at,we're looking through this itty
bitty little scope.
And then yes, medicalgaslighting, I'm huge about, uh,
(12:02):
you know, uh, mental likemanipulation and things like
that.
Right?
There's so much in our, in ourworld environment and yes.
And there's so much authority inlike, I love that you brought
that up because there's so muchauthority in what a doctor says
or what, you know, where weperceive this, this, these words
to be so true.
And they can be a, they cancause a death sentence.
(12:23):
I believe two people who giveinto that.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I totally agree.
Yeah.
And I just wanna encourage thatit's really in that heart space
so we can be up here in ananalytical mind, right?
That's a great source of wisdom.
But there's this heart bodyspace where you as a listener,
if you've been throughsomething, you know, gosh, this
doesn't feel right or somethingfeels wrong.
I just wanna encourage you totrust that because part of my
journey was learning to trustthat part, that intuition, that
(12:47):
heart space.
And, and that's part of thehealing because your body knows,
and you may not have all theknowledge or education, but you
can find it.
And you just wanna empower thelistener.
Because for me, as, and I was inmedical school, right?
I was trained, I was a trainedmedical professional and I still
needed to trust that heart spacefor sometimes the direction to
go.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
And we always say, we have a saying, and with our
coaches, I always say, rememberyou guys, you are not there to
help.
Like first of all, you know,you're not a doctor, you stay in
your scope of practice as acoach, but you're a great guide.
But the individual is their ownbest practitioner.
And I always say that, yes,there's nobody that can ever
know your own body and yourjourney and all the things like
you.
And even the best, most skillfuldoctor, physician or anything is
(13:34):
a contributor to your journey.
Like you have to take thosereins.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah.
So coaches listen to, to Bretthere, because this is so, no, I
love this because, and as acoach you have this incredible,
just like me, we have thisincredible privilege of sitting
in a holy space, this sacredspace with a client or the
patient and they pour out to youstuff they may never told anyone
else.
And to me that is like the mostsacred gift in the world to be
(14:02):
part of that place with them.
And when you hold that spacewith unconditional love and
acceptance and you say, I'lllisten to you.
I am here with you, you guyshave such a powerful job and
it's so, so important.
And we as physicians needcoaches like you and like all
the people you're training Brit,because it is literally, to me,
it's sacred that space.
And so often when you create aspace for unconditional love and
(14:25):
acceptance, they're gonna sharestuff they've never shared and
you're gonna help them in a waythat no one has ever helped them
because of that sacredrelationship.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yes.
Thank you for that.
That is, that is so true.
So true.
And, and, and you are.
So I had rearranged some ofthese questions actually, cuz I
actually retitled you guys, Iretitled this podcast.
Um, I don't remember whatoriginally had it titled titled
that, but what his titled as nowis, was after going through more
of, of her stuff, and really Dr.
(14:55):
Jill, you talk about, and we'regonna get into talking about
molden stuff, but I, becauseyou're so passionate, because
this is so important and becauseyou talk about the heart space,
this is something I'm still, I'mstill in my journey every day as
are most of the coaches, as aremost of our clients, right?
Like, it's crazy how we'reempowered.
We are given the blessing ofbeing able to give even when
we're still in a process ofworking.
(15:17):
Yes.
Like, maybe, maybe one day, likeI'm behind the scenes, like
going through it, doing allthese deep, deep things alone,
you know?
And the next day I'm called outto help someone else and, and I
can do it.
You can still show up whenyou're not there cuz you're
never there.
Right.
But you talk about really faithin the process and you share a
story in her book, you guys, sheshares a story about a patient
(15:41):
who came to you and your clinicwas booked out three years.
And you, they basically, hermother, her her daughter was
very young and she says shedoesn't have three years.
We don't know if she has threemonths.
They were desperate, they'd seen40 doctors, nothing was working.
And they came to see you and youcouldn't do anything for her.
(16:02):
But can you explain a little bitof what, what you did for her?
This is, this is really cool tome.
And, and, and when we talk aboutfaith here, guys, like I'm
respectful of every singlebelief system and everything,
but faith is something, I mean,we need to hang onto something,
especially when we go throughsuffering.
So can you just give a little
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah.
And before I do, I couldn'tagree more, Bri I have a deep
belief in God.
But you may out there be atheistor a Buddhist or Jewish or
Christian or whatever you comefrom or none of those.
And I just wanna say to me,faith is something much greater.
It's the how do we deal with theinevitable uncertainty of life
mm-hmm.
(16:38):
just wanna be so open and, andlet you know, when you listen to
me talk about this, I am notbringing any perspective.
I mean, I have a strong divineconnection.
Yeah.
But there is such openness toanyone out there, wherever
you're at, because uncertaintyis inevitable.
Right?
It's gonna happen.
And so often we build thesethings around just like
insurance policies that make usfeel like we have control.
And I think one of the greatestgifts we can give to our clients
(17:00):
and ourselves is like realizingthat medicine and coaching and
all the things we do iscompletely uncertain.
There's not a black and whitelike, we'd like to think.
So I just wanna empower you inthat idea that faith is bigger
than just a certain religion.
That's not how I come here.
So thank you for that and thankyou for letting me be open.
Okay.
So the story, so Alex came to meand, uh, it still, it still, uh,
(17:22):
chokes me up a little.
And she was so, so sick withLyme disease, mold illness, mass
cell activation, this commonchronic, serious, serious
illness.
Her gut was rejecting food.
And she came to me at such alate stage that we try, we still
tried to do things, but it, itwasn't very helpful.
And what I did though is justlike we talked about a moment
ago, I just sat there and likeopened my heart to, okay, what
(17:44):
can I do?
And opened my heart to justunconditionally being present
with this beautiful child, 22.
But she was, you know, a girl.
And, um, I read the intake as Ikind of felt this hopelessness.
I'm sure as a coach, do you everfeel like you're with this
patient and you have all thisknowledge, you have all this
ability to help, but they'rethese situations where you're
like, I feel kind of helplessand I'm gonna say as even a
(18:06):
expert functionalist and doctor,I've been there, I get it.
And I was in that place withAlex.
I was like, gosh, I don't knowwhat I can do to turn this
around.
And I looked on her intake formand she said, faith in God was
important to her.
And again, I only do this.
I I reach where I go into wherethey're at.
Right.
I'm not gonna put anything.
But I said, can I pray with you?
And we just had this like momentof divine connection about first
(18:27):
of all, what's mean, yourpurpose for you as a patient,
um, what, you know, could you dosomething greater in this last,
you know, part of your life?
It ended up, she created afoundation like that kind of
time with her navigating whatreally matters to you.
And, uh, having that like prayerblessing and peace and, and lack
of pain for her, um, allowed herto think about something bigger.
(18:49):
And she literally created afoundation to help patients get,
uh, medical needs and testingand stuff so they could prevent
where she was.
And her mom wrote a memoirthat's been acclaimed and all
this happened.
She ended up dying.
I mean, that's like the ultimateawful outcome as a coach or a
doctor, right?
But what I see now is her motheris in the world during the
message that her daughter wantedto share, she's created a
(19:10):
foundation that has hundreds ofthousands of dollars to help
patients like herself.
And this greater thing came outof it.
And so I realized we're allterminal, right?
That's really hard to thinkabout
Mm-hmm.
So like what meaning and purposeand passion do we and how can we
impart in the clients yourcoaching?
Because the things that livebeyond us are what really,
really matters or our passionand purpose while we're still
(19:31):
here and we're not guaranteedanother breath.
Mm-hmm.
So it's how do we kinda havethat perspective a meaning
purpose?
And for me it was profound andit was profound, Bri to share
that in the book, he said, couldbe a failure on my part.
Right.
You could look at it like, oh mygosh, she died.
Like that's tragic, but I wantedto celebrate it because death is
inevitable
And how do we like live life tothe fullest in the best way that
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we can while we still havebreath and life.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Absolutely.
And I think, you know, I'mfinding in my own journey
through things that we try sohard to latch onto control and
this need for, uh, this, thisvision, this illusion that we
have of control A, is absolutelydetrimental to us, to our
physical bodies and our healthand our adrenals and all these
(20:18):
things.
And also to our mind becausethen we live in more fear.
We live in stress and angst ofall the stuff that we're trying
to control.
Like in in, if we were to justcome to that understanding, I
think what, when you brought upthat, that faith piece, um, and
I just did a little class onthis a bit ago, but I was like,
the aspect of faith is, istrust.
(20:38):
It's a trust that like no matterhow ugly or how hard or whatever
I may face right here and now Itrust it like that the outcome
for me is always going to begreat on, in the end no matter
what.
And that this life is ultimatelyvery short, you know, for in, in
the grand scheme of things.
And so she, like, she lived aripple effect.
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She had a purpose to create thisripple effect that's still
rippling and that is reallybeautiful.
And she turned around and shehad faith in the process of, of
what her calling was during hertime here.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I love that.
And I would also say, you know,my resilience is in the title
and it's something I wanna partwith you and everyone who reads
it.
And to me, resilience is whatyou just said, Brett.
It's like knowing that no matterwhat comes our way, that we will
have the reason.
We may not have'em right now atthis moment, but in real time
when something comes that'sunexpected, very difficult, we
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will have what we need toovercome or to get through it.
Yeah.
And I, at this point, after allthe things I've been through,
finally I'm far from perfect.
I still have doubt and fear andI'm human, but I have a, a sense
of certainty about I will beable to overcome or deal with
whatever comes my way.
And that's part of what I'mgonna give to your audience.
And you and anyone who reads abook is like, you too can have
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that assurance that you havewhat you need, that we have the
resources we need.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
It's freedom.
It's like soul freedom.
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And so your journey after thispoint, so you've got the Crohn's
disease and now you're, you'reputting that into a remission
kayley.
You're, you're not only puttingyourself through medical school
at these early years when whenreally we're not very
emotionally mature yet.
Right.
Right.
Like as life goes on, we just,we think like, I'm so mature
(22:49):
right now and in three yearsI'll laugh about how mature
quote unquote I am.
Right.
Right.
You know, I'll be, you know, 40plus and be like, oh yeah, that
was cute
Totally.
But so after you do this, thenyou start having additional
issues.
And this time it is relative tomold and yeah, we hear about
(23:09):
mold a lot, but tell us a littlebit about that.
I think it's something we needto take way more seriously.
And tell us a little bit aboutwhat you dealt with there and
what it can look like in as faras symptoms and experiences that
people may be having.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Sure.
So got through Crohn's, gotthrough cancer and it took me a
while to rebuild as you canimagine.
But I was doing really well.
And in 2010 I moved to Boulder,Colorado to start a functional
medicine practice.
Prior to that I had been inIllinois and uh, was thriving.
I was running marathons, I washiking, I was skiing, I mean
very good health.
And I thought, okay, all this isbehind me.
And then 2013 there was amassive flood in Boulder.
(23:44):
It was called the thousand yearflood.
It flooded.
Just literally did billions ofdollars of damage, completely
flooded the city.
And the area surrounding myoffice was in Boulder, my
medical office.
And it was already kind of anolder seventies building and the
flood took it to the next levelas far as water damage.
And there were several thingsabout it.
And the basement had flooded andthere was already mold growing
there.
Got a lot worse.
And I was, my office was on thesecond floor right above a crawl
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space that was unfinished withstanding water.
Mm-hmm.
was an issue.
Right.
And then the other thing that Ithink is actually kind of funny
now, but not funny.
Um, my office, we rebuilt withbeautiful bamboo floors and kind
of remodeled it.
And my contractor, who I didn'tknow any better, he put bamboo
flooring right on top of old,like 20 year old carpet.
So, and the boost soft.
So every time you'd step, you'dsquish this old and the carpet
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was probably full of mold andgross stuff.
It's all that to say.
2014, the year after the flood,I started having brain fog.
I would, you know, I was reallyclear with the medical stuff,
but as far as like names andwords, I would have trouble with
words and names.
Um, and I started havingshortness of breath as I'd walk
up the stairs with the patients.
I started having red, irritatedeyes, rashes, infections, and oh
so many things.
(24:48):
Uh, nuance, adult asthma andsinus issues, which I've never
had.
And I knew something was goingon.
Um, but I didn't quite know.
And I always have compassion forthose who have had mold related
illness who are maybe goingthrough it because, um, there's
a piece of denial that's veryreal in many people's lives
because it either means you haveto move or your workplace, or, I
mean it often involvesoverwhelming sacrifice.
(25:09):
Yeah.
And it's overwhelming.
Mm-hmm.
um, uh, black molds that createmycotoxins in sabotage and cause
us to feel more overwhelmed.
Like that's part of thephysiology of the toxin.
So needless to say, I was goingdownhill and I did not know what
it was.
But finally I was getting sickenough.
I tested the, um, basement,walked in with an inspector and
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tested my body for urine and itmatched, it was black toxic mold
and triazines, the toxics theyproduce.
So I literally, when I found outall the information, I never
again set foot in my office.
I left everything including 20years of books.
So I love books.
So I, I left everything.
I completely started over.
I went, I started worked out ofmy house while I looked for a
new office space.
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And it was devastating cuz hereI am physically completely
affected by mold, overwhelmed,exhausted rashes, infections.
I was so, so sick.
And just like in med school, Ihad this like, okay, I just
gotta keep going.
Um, but it was really, reallyhard.
And I ended up finding new spaceand getting established.
And what I had to do, just likeeverything else, is I had to
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figure this out to survive.
So I kind of defaultaccidentally became the mold
expert because I had to dive andsay, how do we recover from
this?
And what we know now is one infour people have difficult
ability to tag those toxins thatmold produces in our body.
So it's not like mold colonizesour body, although it can, but
the toxins that mold is spewingout the fumes.
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It's like the, the size ofsmoker formaldehyde, they're 2.5
microns or less.
So they're extremely small.
We inhale them and they godirectly into our alveoli, into
our bloodstream without evenbeing transported.
So you can be in a moldybuilding within five seconds and
inhale those spores and they'rein your bloodstream.
And again, it's not likecolonization, like the mold is
always growing in the body, butthe toxins that the mold is
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producing to protect itself,they do go in the body and the
effect, and they can haveimmunosuppressive effects, they
can have nephrotoxic, kidneytoxic effects, lung toxic
effects, brain toxic effects.
And this is documented so wellin the literature.
In fact, one of the ones that Iwas exposed to, triazines, which
is the toxic black nasty mold,um, has been used in chemical
warfare.
Like it's been studied becauseit's so, so toxic to humans.
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So I had to figure out what todo.
And like I said, one in fourpeople like myself had trouble
tagging that.
So I really learned and divedeep.
And at the core you have to getout of the main exposure, which
I moved and got out of thatbuilding.
And then you have to work ondetox and we can go into some of
those principles of basic detoxon how to do that.
But I had to learn how to dothat.
And it, it really took, I'd sayabout 18 months to get recovered
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in maybe 80% better.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
And what do you think about this?
Because obviously, and obviouslyin coaching there's a lot of
women and so we're men, we'rewaiting for you to jump on the
bandwagon.
I mean,
men jump into actual healthcoaching
But we have a lot of women andso hear a lot about and and
female clients of women andthings like that and hormonal
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issues or, or like invisibleillness is such a thing, thyroid
malfunction, adrenal, et cetera,et cetera.
So the hard thing for me, whatare your thoughts on the, either
the co relationship or just theconfusion between, okay, I'm,
I've got brain fog, I've gotfatigue, I've got this and this
and could it be mold or or is itmaybe my thyroid or is it this,
(28:26):
like how do we decipher some ofthis?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Oh, such a great question but so, um, mold has an
effect on every system in thebody.
And I'm gonna tell you right nowhow it affects the thyroid, the
adrenals of hormones because itall works together.
What I've seen is after thismold exposure and realizing how
massively crazy that the moldaffected every system and
getting well from it andlearning how to teach patients
to do the same.
I didn't wanna go from that andsay, okay, everybody has mold
(28:51):
cause that's not true.
But I will tell you over andover and over again at the root
of autoimmunity, of chronicfatigue, of unexplained
migraines, of unexplained, um,hormonal disruptions, of
unexplained thyroid adrenalissues over and over and over
again, I found mold.
So have a high index ofsuspicion because if you're not,
what I find today is ifsomeone's like all the stuff I
should that should be helping,we, we modulate the thyroid, we
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support the adrenals, we do thehormones.
Men are fe male or female andthen they're not getting, well
think mold.
So if you're stuck and there'ssomething like, hmm, why aren't
they getting well, mold is atthe top of my list and I over
and over again shockingly foundit was an issue.
So let's talk about how thisrelates to hormone thyroids
adrenal.
Okay.
It absolutely does.
So, uh, multiple sabotage thepituitary and the function of
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the pituitary, one thing thatwill happen is antidiuretic
hormone will go down.
So you have someone who has,that's the regulatory, that's
vasopressin, which regulates ourhydration.
So it basically keeps ushydrated as we drink, we
maintain the volume of ourblood.
But if we have no a D h, wedrink and we pee and we drink
and we pee and we cannotmaintain hydration.
So one of the symptoms of maltoxicity is frequent urination
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gaining up urinate at night.
Um, a lot of people, I even knowpatients currently, they know
they have had mold exposure.
If they start having to go tothe bathroom frequently and
usually the urine becomeslighter because it's diluted cuz
the body cannot concentrate itanymore.
So they're walking around,they're drinking, drinking,
drinking cuz they're thirsty andthey're peeing all the time and
they cannot maintain hydrationeven though the drinking gallons
of water a day.
So that's number one.
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That's the antidiuretic hormone.
Um, then we talk about estrogen,progesterone, testosterone, D h
E A, these are all the hormones.
Men or women, there's an enzymecalled aromatase.
Aromatase will convert yourtestosterone and precursors to
estrogen.
It's okay, it's normal, we allhave it.
But with mold that aromatasewill be upregulated.
And so in men or women, you'llhave excessive estrogen dominant
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symptoms and or breasts,fibrocystic breasts, painful
heavy periods, irregular cycles,um, you know, p m s symptoms,
moodiness, bloating, like allthese symptoms of estrogen
dominance.
Men will have weight gain, lackof libido, um, man boobs, a
central obesity though diabetes.
So both men and women can beaffected.
And I frequently see as aprecursor, if you're looking at
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lab values, you might seetestosterone incredibly low in
men or women.
And that often is a trigger forme to look at mold as a
possibility.
Cuz it's polling all thepreachers of testosterone, you
have no testosterone left andthen you have lots of estrogen
and that could be harmful.
That can even cause cancers likehormone, wood cancers.
Um, adrenal.
So atomium, one of their mostnasty toxic molds out there pre
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produces koma gleen and othertrico.
And these particular ones I'veseen actually suppress cortisol
though in some mold cases we'llsee really, really high cortisol
and they're so stressed and soanxious and they're cortisol in
the serums like above 20.
Or if you're doing some of theother hormone tests, the the
morning will be really, reallyhigh.
That's one side.
The other side is their flatline.
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They have no cortisol, they'reextremely exhausted.
And I've also seen thisexacerbated with long covid
because one of the things I'veseen over and over again with
long covid is the adrenals areaffected and the cortisol
extremely low.
And those symptoms people wouldhave would be dizzy or
lightheaded.
Cuz again, they can't regulatevolume.
They might be extremelyexhausted or craving salt.
Um, anything that's coming theirway as a stressor is gonna feel
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way more overwhelming.
So they're gonna feel way moreoverwhelmed because their
cortisols are buffer to theworld.
They might have new onset foodallergies or new onset breathing
issues like asthma or allergies.
They might have more chemicalsensitivity.
Again, cortisols are buffer tothe world to protect us from
overreacting.
And so whether it's emotional orphysical or chemical.
And if we don't have thatcortisol, we tend to be very,
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very sensitive to things, veryoverreactive.
Uh, again, not only emotional,but just the physical, um, body
and the allergies, the asthma,the mast cell stuff can be
worse.
And then thyroid.
And thyroid.
It's funny cuz your tssh isgonna look pretty good.
Your t4 T3 might look prettygood.
Yeah, right?
Mm-hmm.
trouble.
Either the receptors can beblocked or the conversion of T4
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to t3.
So you can have someone wholooks euthyroid looks pretty
normal, but they feel hypothyweight.
They lose the outer third oftheir eyebrows, which is a, uh,
path pneumonic for hypothyroid.
Or they're getting swollen.
You can actually see a goiter orissues with their, um, gland in
their neck if you're, you know,uh, if they've maybe done an
exam with a, with a doctor.
Um, so all those things.
(33:07):
And then, um, gosh, there's somany things related to hormones.
So adrenals, we have a, uh,estrogen dominance, we have the
thyroid, um, and, and theexhaustion because this really
affects the mitochondria.
But that's what you might seeand you might be going after.
It's perfectly fine to go afterthe cortisol, go after the
thyroid, but you're gonna beplaying whack-a-mole.
Mm-hmm.
(33:27):
And the big issue in thebackground is the mold and it's
not, um, being helped.
One of the thing reallyimportant, if you have someone
who comes in, especiallyfemales, but males too, where
all of a sudden they're notchanging their diet, they're not
changing anything about whatthey're doing.
They've gained 20, 30, 40, 50pounds, right?
Mm-hmm.
will stick in the leptinreceptors and cause leptin
(33:48):
resistance.
So this is really a big dealbecause almost anything they do
will be sabotaged.
They can't lose weight.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Mm-hmm.
Oh, that's so interesting.
And I feel like one of mysisters dealt with a lot of this
and she had an obvious moldproblem in her house, and then
she got, um, oh, she got reallysick with multiple things and we
were in in, in thyroid, uh, youknow, symptoms and all this
stuff too.
So I'm, I'm, there's so manypeople that are going to get
benefit from this question.
(34:15):
So when, if you're going to, shegot all this stuff, where do
people start?
Do they start with mold or dothey start with the other things
first?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
That's a great question.
So, um, like I said, I didn'twanna be the person who had mold
and thinks everything's mold.
Like, you think everything lookslike this and then, right.
So I've been extremelydeliberate about being
objective, but shockingly overand over and over I'm like, oh,
here we go again.
It's mold.
So first of all, the first thingis have a high index of
suspicion.
So have that in the back of yourmind.
Like, okay, if we do, becauseyou can still start with
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checking thyroid, checkingadrenals, checking, and again,
within your scope of practice,making advice as far as what to
do nutritionally or otherwise.
But when you think of mold iswhen you get stuck.
Now in my practice now, I havepeople on a waiting list and I,
they've been waiting, they'veseen a lot of doctors.
So when someone comes into menow, I do a big swath of
testing.
So I'll do all of the hormones,all the stuff we just talked
(35:11):
about on every level.
I'll check for infections andtoxins.
And here's a little snippet,tidbit at the core of functional
medicine.
This is a pearl.
Uh, so I think almosteverything, chronic complex
inflammatory is either toxicload or infectious burden or
some combination of the two.
So if you're thinking on thoselines, again, you don't have to
be there in the beginning, butthink about the patient coming
(35:33):
in as there's probably beentoxic exposures, mold being one
of them, them, um, maybe mold inthis case, maybe heavy metals,
maybe paraben, stites or otherchemicals.
And infectious burden is likethose old things, like maybe a
tick bite at 12 years old orEpstein bar at 19 or chickenpox
at five.
And all those old infections ina weakened immune system will
start to pop up.
But a more complex level toxicload, infectious burden is the
(35:57):
thing that's driving what yousee as far as the thyroid, the
adrenals, the hormones, thefatigue, the, so we're up here,
which is perfect place to start.
You look at the thyroid, youlook at the adrenals, you get
the lifestyle, and you canalways start simple.
Start with clean air, cleanwater, clean food, basic, basic
principles, their lifestylestuff.
You can start there.
But then if they're not gettingbetter, go to the hormone,
(36:17):
adrenal, thyroid kind of at thatwhole axis.
And then if they're not gettingbetter, go to mold and go to, so
you can still start in that sameorder, but when you encounter
resistance or you're doingeverything right with diet and
exercise, they're not losingweight.
Mold might be an issue.
So you can definitely still putit in the second or third tier.
And what I was explaining isbecause this people have been
waiting, I'm usually throwingeverything out there and doing a
(36:38):
huge workout, including mold inthe beginning.
But you don't have to startthere.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
And so, so when it comes to if we're gonna test our
homes for mold mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
How do we know what's a good test?
Because I, we came from a house,my whole family and especially
during 2020, and I had a, ababy, a geriatric unexpected
pregnancy at 35.
My husband and I have six kidsbetween the two of us.
We are remarried, we have a, hismine and ours, we have a blended
family.
We have six kids under the ageof 12.
And we combine this family andI'm pregnant with this, this
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surprise baby girl.
And before we know it, within 448 hours of moving everybody in
this house, we're locked downwith covid and six kids, or five
kids and one on the way.
And we are the parents that aregonna figure out how to
homeschool them in this chaos,right?
Yeah.
Because the other parents havejob jobs,
we're flexible
But the house at the time wasreally nice house by, you know,
(37:34):
the golf course and stuff, butit was really near our lake.
It's really pretty and stuff.
We're in northern Idaho.
It's old though, and it's jankyand it smells old.
It smelled like, you know, anold grandma's house, uhhuh or
something that I can relate.
And it smelled like mold all thetime.
And, and I was, and we had allkinds of stuff.
And of course this is around thetime of Covid and we got six
kids, they're petri dishes.
But I was telling my husbandleft and right.
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I'm like, I think there's moldhere.
We finally, we got it tested andit came out fine.
And I still, he in in, in, youknow, my husband's was really
trusting and he's in realestate, he's really trusting the
people that did it.
They were like freaks abouttesting it.
But I still to this day, thatgut thing, that instinct thing
still tells me that that's notaccurate.
(38:16):
So would you be looking for withtesting
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, let's talk about testing cuz this is one of
the most complex, and I willjust say real clearly I am not
the environmental expert.
But because I love patients andwant them to heal, I've had to
really, really get to know thisand I think I can bring you some
good information.
But always, if you want aresource, um, indoor air quality
professionals, there's iaq.org Ibelieve.
Um, and also ICI is a nonprofit,it's International Society for
(38:41):
Environmentally AcquiredIllness.
That's a mouthful, but it's is ea i.org again, nonprofit.
Um, they have, uh, resourceswith either docs at no mold or
also uh, uh, professionalsbecause you might need a
professional sometime or or yourclients.
But let's go to what you can do.
So I still recommend.
So basically we have, there'sPetri dishes you can buy at Home
Depot or Lowe's and put themout.
(39:02):
Those are the poor man's way andthey're not bad.
But what happens is this, thistoxic black stuff that I, and
they're even not even alwaysblack, but the titanium stacky
batters are really, really toxicmolds.
They tend to need a water sourceand they're not typically in the
air.
They might be like afterHurricane Katrina, if your whole
house flooded, you probably havestacky in the air.
But generally, even if there's abig issue behind a wall in a
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basement, in a cross space ofthese really toxic black molds,
they're sticky, they're dark,they like to live under
floorboards in the, you know,uh, paneling behind the wall and
you're not gonna find them veryoften.
And then the air, so airsampling is fine.
And if you have an issue withasperges penicillin, which is
much more common, early mold,not quite as toxic, you might
find it in the air, but if youfind stacky or keto in the air,
(39:45):
it's a big issue because thoseguys usually don't, they hide
behind the walls.
And let me just explain thephysiology of mold, that's kinda
like a dead flower arrangementor you know, or corsage maybe
held from high school and it'sdead and dried, right?
And if you were to flick that orblow on it, it would just
scatter into a million pieces.
It's like, you know, veryfragile mold spores are like
that.
So if it's like behind the wallbeside me here, it's gonna kind
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of stay.
It might not even be livinganymore.
It could be dead mold.
But the fragments, if you startto disrupt that or open that up,
the fragments of that dead moldwill still cause immune in and
issues infl inflammation inpatients.
And then right now, even if thatmold's behind the wall, it's
contained, it's not out in myenvironment, it's still the
microtoxins I mentioned.
And they're a fraction of thesize of the spores.
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So they are literally 2.5microns, which is the same as a
virus and the same as like smokeor formaldehyde.
So these are like fumesliterally they can go right
through the wall.
So what I wanted to say is,number one, you can do Petri
dishes, but often the stuffthat's in the air could be
serious and you see somethingand the portman's test without
even sending them in, if youhave four or less colonies on
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the plate, it's less likely anissue.
If you have five to eightcolonies on the plate, it's a
medium load.
If you have nine or above, it'sa pretty high load.
And again, that might just be aneasy cheap test to say, could
there be an issue?
The second thing I recommend issomething called ermi.
Now the ERMI test itself is thennot validated.
So the technology under the erm,but you still see it as ermi.
(41:13):
Um, so we don't call it ermianymore, but the technology is
called qPCR R.
What it means is you take a dustsample of your home and you say,
is there any dust fragments, DNAof mold in the dust of my house?
Now I find that to be as good orbetter than air samples,
there's, you shouldn't saybetter because there's a place
for both, right?
But you can do this at homeyourself.
You can order yourself, I thinkthink in viral biotics.com and
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micrometric.com has these tests.
You can order them as a clientpatient.
You don't need a doctor's orderor a professional and you get a
Swiffer cloth and you take thatcloth around, wait like seven to
10 days between cleanings, getthe dust of your home, send it
in, they will look at DNA n inthe mold and give you a list.
And that's called the, butagain, the ERM number, ignore
it.
But you can look at those moldsand say, oh my gosh, there's 20
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stacky batteries in this dust.
That's a big deal.
So you can look at that dust.
And I've looked in, I've lookedat hundreds of those.
So I'll have patients bring themin and I'll look at them with
them.
And that's what you could do.
Or anyone could, could do ifthey're like, oh, the air
samples look good.
Now air samples are great,especially after mediation
because if you open up a wallcabin, you wanna know, did that
debris get stuck in the air inmy home?
Is it in the ducts?
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Um, and that's a big deal too.
But sometimes if it's stuckbehind a wall stuck under a
floorboard, the air sample willlook pretty good and you'll miss
it.
So it is one of those thingswhere you kind of wanna look at
different angles.
And the erm I love, which isalso, again, qPCR is the
technical name that is valid,um, is a great way that you can
have yourself, your clientscheck without an inspector.
Now inspector's the best if youget someone who really knows
(42:40):
what they're looking for, but itcosts more money.
And these are kind of ways youcan start on your own.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
That's great.
Thank you for that information.
My husband's gonna be like, see,I told you the inspector
probably did a good job and I'mstill gonna be like, I don't
know how we got away withoutmolding the house
Anyway, um, so when it comes tothis stuff, so I think you've
given us some awesome stuff tochew on.
When it comes to mold, I thinkit's something we need to talk
about cuz we are talking abouttoxic load a ton.
(43:09):
We need to talk about it more.
I think people are really awareof it being in chemicals and
body products and all that, butthey're not aware that of, of,
of full load that how like, likea little bit of this cannot be
healthy, but our body can rid it.
But the problem is, there're alittle bit of this in a lot of
things in our air, in our water,in our, everything we're using
and stuff.
And that's just too much for thebody.
(43:31):
Um, so I, I think this is a bigquestion, but you're good with
big questions like this.
So knowing that you can't savethe entire world, and I think
this is something a lot of usstruggle with, I think, um,
especially if we as coaches, wetend to call ourselves empaths a
lot.
And we are, and we also maybestruggle with co-dependency.
(43:51):
I mean it might be
Um, but knowing that you can'tsave the entire world, which is
like a hard thing for peoplelike guess to swallow, um,
what's the biggest gift inwisdom that you would give those
struggling on their own journeyfor health and life?
Because the journey is going to,to, it's not linear and it's
(44:12):
going to have these ups anddowns and sometimes the healing
process or the thing we gothrough, whether it's emotional,
physical, all of the above, thehealing process is un guaranteed
unknown.
The time can go on for a while.
Like, what's, what would yougift people knowing that you
can't save everyone?
Like what's your gift for them?
Speaker 2 (44:33):
So I think it's around, these are all lessons
I've learned myself still in theprocess with you all.
Um, but one thing that comes tomind is so many of us are driven
, um, and we, so many of us havethe messages from childhood,
maybe we're not worthy or we'renot lovable or we're not enough
or those are really common toall community.
And sometimes those things willdrive performance, achievement,
(44:55):
success.
And we get on this treadmillbecause we think if we do the
next thing, we save the nextlife, if we do, if we help this
next client, then it'll beenough.
And I'm here to tell you frompersonal experience, it's never
enough.
You get on this treadmill andthere's another a hundred people
that need your help.
And so you're never gonna get tothat place where you feel, oh,
you might rest cuz you've helpedone person, but then the next
(45:16):
day you wake up and like, I needto do this again.
And so if we can go inside inthat messaging of ourself and
realize that our worthiness doesnot come from us saving lives
and helping people, even thoughwe get great joy out of it, I do
too.
But it doesn't come from anotherlife saved or another
transformation in our, uh,clients.
It comes from the intrinsicknowledge that we are worthy of
(45:39):
love just for being born, forbreathing, for being not the
doing.
So often I got caught up in thedoing, doing, doing, doing.
And that would give mevalidation, but the next day I
had to do it again.
And it's exhausting and it'simpossible to keep that up
because we get some, you know, agreat thing that happens and
then the next day we need to doit again.
But if you can start to loveyourself in the way and show
(46:02):
that self-compassion, um, toknow that you are worthy just
for, and all of you are healersout there, that's why you're in
this profession.
Like that's a gift from thedivine that you have and you
have this ability to helppeople, but your abil, your
value, your worthiness does notrely on the number of people you
help.
And we can kind of pull thatapart and believe that we
intrinsically have value justfor breathing and showing up in
(46:25):
this world.
Um, that's powerful because thenwe don't have to prove to anyone
our value or our worth.
And again, this is stillprocess.
I'm in it with you every singleday, but it's so powerful and we
can shine that love andcondition, unconditional love on
people, and that's part of ourhealing ability.
But we have to reflect it toourself.
And I just literally write on aprescription band all the time.
(46:45):
Be kind to yourself, be kind toyourself, show yourself that
loving compassion and know thatyou're worthy just for being
you.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
That's beautiful.
I think that I'm, I'm, I'mlearning that more and more as
time goes on, that I think, Ithink it's easy to get into a
state of selflessness and the,the fulfillment that we get from
giving.
And especially if you've got abackground of pain, which most
of us do like and most coachesdo, most people that are in any
kind of profession like this,they have this personal story.
And so they just wanna save theworld.
(47:14):
They wanna give so much, but wecan bleed ourselves dry giving
all day long.
And then what happens is that wearen't as good anymore.
Our, our purpose now can't beseen as well and it's not able
to do his job because we're notadequate.
And so part of that, you know,that, that, like you said,
self-love and time for yourselfand our own healing process.
(47:36):
Taking that time to like, Hey,no, today I need to work
through, you know, my chronicanxiety, my, you know, symptoms
or autoimmune stuff.
Maybe I'm going through or myfear-based thinking or my, you
know, depression or whatever itis that I'm going through today,
I'm gonna go through today.
That doesn't make me any lessvaluable to the world tomorrow.
In fact, it makes me morevaluable.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Well, that's amazing.
So what can, what can theyexpect in unexpected?
What can people expect?
Because by the time this isgonna drop in a couple weeks
from today's recording day, andby then this book will be live
for purchase.
So I've, I've got my pre-orderalready, but they, it will be
live for everybody else.
So what can they expect andwhere can they find it and where
(48:19):
can they go for more of you?
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Thank you.
Um, the main mainland, you canfind it anywhere.
So anywhere you buy books, gothere.
It doesn't matter to me.
If you want, um, I put togethersome really fun for gifts that I
think for you coaches would begreat.
It's at read unexpected.com.
So just read unexpected.com.
Um, I've got a mast cellactivation lecture, so that'll
be helpful for, I've got a freecoloring journal cuz then part
of my journey was like goingback to that childlike state of
(48:43):
creativity and beauty and loveand, and innocence and coloring
for me was part of thattransformation.
So I have a, a coloring bookbasically that goes along with
the book.
Um, there's a recorded chapterthat's not in the book, so just
a bunch of just fun stuff thatyou can get there as well, um,
after you purchase the book.
But the bottom line is, um, mygoal in, in for the reader is,
(49:04):
it's my story, but it's notreally about me, it's about you.
And what I hope is that as youread my story and my journey,
you can see reflections of yourown journey and be encouraged
and inspired to become moreresilient in this thing.
We call it life and that we'rein it together.
And then besides that is allthese really, really practical
sidebars on how to cure formold, what labs test.
(49:25):
So there's gonna be some realpractical stuff, but my goal is
for you to actually enjoy thestory and be inspired in your
own journey.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Thank you so much Dr.
Jill.
Oh, thank you so much.
And where can we find, can yousay, I'm gonna put you guys, I'm
gonna put her stuff in the shownotes here too, but can you give
us your, your website link andstuff too?
Obviously we can find your bookanywhere.
Um, but where else can you giveus your website link one more
time?
Yes,
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Jillian.com.
Just my name has all kinds ofblogs and podcast and free
resources there.
Tons of free stuff on jillcorian.com as well.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
She's, she's humble but well known, so if you Google
her, we'll definitely find allher things.
But thank you so much, Jill.
You were light in the world.
You have survived all of thistime to be a contributor and you
are a gift to all of us.
Thank you so much for being onthe podcast.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Thank you for having me.
It's been my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Thank you for joining us for another empowering
episode of Budha Belly Life.
For more information on guthealth and mindset, resources,
visit budha belly life.com andremember, heal yourself and then
empower others to do the same.
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