April 24, 2024 • 25 mins
Episode 323: What time of day do you train Jiu-Jitsu? There are 3 major class times that BJJ folks fall into, each has it's benefits and potential downsides. Early Morning Movers, the Lunch time Killers and the Night time ninjas. For you it may be a simple decision of where the heck can I just fit in my training?
But if you haven't tried training at other times in the day you might be missing out. Whatever your work schedule might be JT & Joey explain why training at a different time in the day can benefit your BJJ learning and memory retention. Since changing from night to morning classes JT has improved his recovery dramatically. Joey trains lunches and nights and it works for him but what no one tells you are the potential draw backs to each different time slot- could the time of day you train be holding back your progress in Jiu-Jitsu. This episode offers some different perspectives that can help you think about your training differently.
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What time of the day do youtrain?
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What tribe are you?
Are you the morning crew?
Are you a lunchtime person?
You know lunchtime warrior?
Or are you a nighttime crusader?
And we were talking about thisbecause Joe was saying you know,
some people just don't have achoice.
But I think there is pros andcons to different times of the
day and maybe, given theopportunity, training at a
(02:13):
different time of the day mightgive you a different benefit.
Yeah, I want to go first to ourmorning crew, because I believe
that there is a few differentpeople in the morning crew and
typically it's people justtrying to get it in before work
because they have no other timein the morning crew and
typically it's people justtrying to get it in before work
because I have no other time inthe day.
Like they're, like myexperience has been, it's not a
lot of parents, it's not hardroles.
People are coming in.
(02:33):
It's almost like morning yoga.
They're just getting the bloodcirculating.
You know there's actually not alot of learning going on.
Like people are like halfasleep.
There's there's probably onlyone person in there who's
actually really awake andthey're not even the instructor.
They've either punched a bunchof coffee, they've already had
their ice bath, they ran there.
They're like fucking, let's go.
(02:53):
They're probably a white beltand then the rest of the crew is
just using the class to wake up.
And it's actually a fuckingawesome way to start the day.
If you can eat the early start.
The post-morning roll is a goodvibe.
You're starting the day on sucha good vibe, yeah, and I mean,
whether you're trainingjiu-jitsu or doing gym stuff in
(03:14):
the morning, you get thatbenefit.
Through the whole day Justflows on All those endorphins
and that sort of pride pointwhere you're like, fuck, yeah, I
trained today, I got it done, Idid that little struggle.
Yeah, everything's better yourrelationships, your productivity
, it all goes higher.
There's so many memes aboutmorning people mocking
(03:34):
non-morning people like it's got.
It's got like a bunch of.
I think it's like taken from acomedy vampire series and
they're all like wearing cravatsand wigs and kind of 15th
century french shit and andthere's like four of them.
They're all like looking realsnobby and they're like how 6am
crew looks at everybody else whodoesn't train in the morning.
But the truth is like I am thatkind of get up early kind of
(03:55):
guy.
I had found that most people Irolled with in the morning were
maybe slightly older and theyhad jobs.
A lot of parents, a lot ofparents and they just there's no
20 year olds don't need totrain in the morning.
No, I mean, if they can, theycan.
But it was interesting becauseone of the three sessions they
do that day exactly just got toget it in first one checked off.
The only downside, or the majordownside I found from training
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in the morning was I didn'tlearn that much.
Right, it was good for gettingthe gears turning over, but even
though the instructor's therethey teach the lesson and I've
taught that many morning classesI found my morning crew, the
retention was not great.
I would show a technique onMonday.
By the time we got to Fridaypeople were still like you know,
(04:41):
even though there wasprogressions and different
things around it, people werenot keeping any of it.
Yeah, right, they got theirjujitsu in, but maybe the
learning wasn't.
Yeah, I would say that the, the, the general energy of a
morning session is a more kindof more sporting.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Oh yeah, if you say, let's get together and like play
a couple rounds.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You know it's like it's that kind of thing, whereas
you know you contrast to anevening thing where it is, it
can be often more competitive,very intense.
Yeah, um, I got it, you know.
Exception, and I've mentionedthem before the guys at baume
that I that I have done a fewmorning sessions with.
They fucking cram a huge amountin.
There's tough roles and whattime is that like six?
oh, there you go yeah okay, yeahit, yeah, it's awful, horrific.
(05:24):
Please describe the horrors.
And it's also like they're alsovery cerebral about it, like,
okay, today we're working onthis and who's been workshopping
that and what problems have wehad?
Okay, let's look at this littledetail in it.
So do you think that's a gymculture thing?
Then, yeah, I think they are abit of an exception, because my
exposure to mornings otherwisehas been a little bit more, you
(05:46):
know, aforementioned, yeah, moregood vibes.
Yeah, yeah, and also there's asocial component, because
sometimes people who work in themorning maybe they own their
own business, so their starttimes make they don't have to
rush out, so maybe, like, whowants to get a coffee after?
You know there could be, therecould be a social component to
it if you're the kind of personwho has the liberty to do that
(06:07):
kind of thing.
Here's another interestingobservation of people that train
in the morning.
Because you know you could, um,I'm sure there's people out
there like, fuck you, we train,I train super hard in the
morning and you know, of coursepeople do, um, I'm sure you do,
but the it's called beingcondescending, but heard of it,
but they but.
But there's an argument thatpeople train, like in the
evening.
(06:28):
Classes are longer, there'smore people there, it's usually
harder sessions.
However, you have control ofthe morning.
If you can train in the morning, your chances of being
consistent over a long period oftime are probably the highest
they can be, definitely, whereasthe evenings we have less
control over because shit comesup during the day.
You've got to stay back at work.
(06:48):
Of course, kid got sick,meetings yeah, like you just had
to do something, couldn't makeit in.
I was planning to go tonight,but I didn't get there.
So, even though we might be, ina very general way, saying yeah
, mornings are sometimes alittle bit easier.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
You do see morning people like get really good
because it's three, like it'severy week, week in, week out
there's very littleinconsistency.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
The thing that makes mornings harder and we've talked
about this is the nutritioncomponent.
You know, it's like not havingfood in your tummy.
The system's not warmed up, youbarely probably drank your
water.
Physically it can be verydemanding depending on how
organized you are.
You know, I have found,intensity wise, my best
intensity, even though I've hadsome really hard night sessions.
(07:30):
My best intensity is generatedkind of mid to late morning or
lunchtime.
Yeah, for me, because you knowthere's water in the system,
food in the system, caffeine inthe system, I'm at my best to
roll as hard as I can.
Yeah, and generally that's onlythe domain of.
You know, maybe this is like afourth slot that people don't
(07:50):
talk about, which is kind of thepros.
They're training at 10 in themorning because they don't do
anything else and that wouldcount as a morning session.
But that's not your 6 am crew,it's a little bit different.
Yeah, it's like a daytimesession, daytime sesh, and
they're beautiful if you can getit.
That's classically the realm ofthe open mat.
Yeah, the 9, 10 am run itthrough to lunch.
It's a good vibe if you can getit.
(08:10):
But if we're talking aboutweekday hustle lunchtimes
Because there's some people outthere.
Maybe they work close to theirgym.
That's the only time they canget it.
Suit goes off, gear goes on,let's bang.
It's usually a pretty shortclass, similar thing to the
morning.
Right, it's like we don't havea lot of time, let's just
fucking get in, get a couplerounds there.
You go, get up.
Yeah, that can be great too,that can be a really good, that
(08:34):
can be a really good um energy,but also it could fuck you up.
Here's how you're a person, aprofessional, and you're like,
yeah, I just want to get somerounds in, I'm not here to fight
to death.
And then you've got some matrat crew who have just been on
there since the morning.
They're like we're trying toget our second training session
in and they're there to bang itout.
(08:55):
And you get kicked in the faceand you break your nose or you
know you get a because it canhappen.
I, that can be problematic.
Right, at the end of the dayit's kind of like, all right, I
guess we're going to go toemergency or whatever.
But middle of the day it's like, oh sorry, boss, can't go
(09:16):
finish that job.
Whatever it might be, I'm inemergency.
I got kicked in the face by a17-year-old.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's like what the fuck?
You're not getting fired, butthat's an inconvenience, subopt,
suboptimal.
I believe that the lunchtimeclass is all about convenience.
That's my take on it.
Yeah, again, I think that.
Yeah, I think that thosesessions, yeah, generally, are
often the domain of, like,that's my only slot, so that's
when I do it.
Yeah, and you know, like, ifyou, um, if you live in the
(09:43):
suburbs and you work in the city, yep, and your gym is in the
city, then it, it kind of makessense that, like, lunchtime is
probably going to be the onlytime you could go there.
You wouldn't go back home andthen drive back to the city,
right, not at all, yeah, butwhat I found actually like
absolute mma in the city, theirlunchtime class pumped.
Like the location was primo forthat, because right in the
(10:04):
central business district,people get confused when I say
cbd.
They're like the oil, thegummies.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I'm like no central business district where all the
buildings are downtown for ourAmerican listeners downtown,
where all the roles I can'tbelieve you hadn't just adopted
downtown since of this you knowoh because of because.
I've seen American podcastersno, unfortunately not.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I'll work on it.
Sorry friends, straight out thejacks.
Just a point there, though.
Um and I really got toreiterate this I've been guilty
of showing up to morning classesand lunchtime classes at random
gyms over the years, thinking,oh, this is going to be chill.
And then you fucking slap handswith someone and they fucking
put it on and you're like whoa,whoa, whoa, it's a lunchtime
(10:47):
class.
What are we doing?
You know, I thought we weretaking it easy.
They're like no cunt, I'mtraining, this is my time, and
you're like, ah, a bit of amisconception, sure you know I
think.
I think that's very important tomention.
And you do also get in a lot ofthose sessions.
You get people that have beenthere.
They've been I don't know whatit is, but they've established,
yeah, they've been there for along time.
They're maybe not trying to,maybe they're at purple bell
(11:09):
brown, they're not trying tolike do the evening hustle and
they're like look, I've settledinto this because it's a bit
more balanced for my lifestyle,but I will still fuck you up, I
will kill you.
Yeah, yeah, and respect to that, respect absolutely.
But, um, what I see as a bit ofa drawback on the um lunchtime
even though there's so many pros, there's less time to work on
(11:31):
your jiu-jitsu, yeah.
So, yes, they do a technique,you practice the technique, you
roll, but then you straight onto the next thing.
I feel the thing that's reallymissing with the lunchtime class
.
Now, maybe, if you get a chanceto hang out, that's cool.
But what I notice is people arelike off the mats in the
showers bang, bang, bang, getthe fuck out.
Yeah, there's no, you don'thave much free time.
There's no afterwards like ohyo, hey, what did you do there?
(11:53):
And I think that there's a hugevalue in jujitsu in the kind of
post-class breakdown or they'rejust just a bit of workshopping,
post-training chat,troubleshooting.
There's insight there, yeah,and that is totally missed, like
I.
I feel at least from myexperience and I've trained at a
lot of different gyms that justthat 10 minutes after class
where someone could be like, hey, man, can you show me this?
Or you could be like, hey, whatdid you do there that can
(12:16):
unlock so much of your knowledgeor your thinking about
jiu-jitsu, whereas if you justwham bam, thank you, ma'am, and
you're out, you miss it.
And so I think that, eventhough there may be people out
there who are like I'm justtrying to get it in respect, you
may be missing out to a certainextent yeah yeah, I'd agree.
But then we, we turn to thebrotherhood of the night, uh,
(12:40):
sisterhood also.
Night training is justgenerally where everyone, most
people, can get it right.
You'd say night classes are thebiggest generally generally
speaking.
Yeah, generally the biggest.
Yeah, busy, generally speaking,yeah, generally the biggest.
Yeah, busy, often longer yes,like your night class might be
the 90-minute thing, whereasmaybe in the mornings and
lunchtime is an hour and peoplecan often hang around for a
(13:02):
little bit.
They can Do that thing.
Some people do the double classOof, you know, like that's
really.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I used to do that a lot like stick around for two
and a half hours.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
So, yeah, it lends itself to a different energy.
Definitely, like you weresaying, joe, the thing which can
fuck up the consistency whichis what we need is your day
blowing out.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Like you get a flat tire or your kid punches another
kid at preschool and you'relike, oh, I'm going to have to
go in here and defend him.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, Good on you son , that was him.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
yeah, good on your son, that was a great straight
right.
I love that.
No, you can't say that in frontof the kindy kids, um, but you
know it's true and I knew thisof my clients, my evening
clients, like relevant to beinga personal trainer there was
nearly always one sessioncancelled in the week yeah,
because of life.
Yeah, work, drinks or some shit,well, even just okay, no, I had
to go do something.
Yeah, and it just means I justcan't be there.
And you're like, oh god, that's, it's a punish, because if
(13:56):
you're only training twice orthree times a week, that's a
huge, huge miss.
Yeah, even though there's somuch going on when you get there
, everyone's there, thetechniques there, the rolling,
you know the whole energy of thenight training.
I believe it's easier forpeople to skip a night class.
That's that's my take on it.
Yeah, for sure, for sure, waymore stuff gets in the way.
(14:16):
There's I.
When I used to train evenings alot, I would never go into the
week with a pre-thought outschedule.
Right, it wasn't like, yep, I'mdoing monday, wednesday,
thursday, or it was just Itrained today, I'll probably be
back tomorrow, come.
Tomorrow, probably come thenext day.
But it gets very easy whenyou're in that loop to maybe you
(14:37):
miss Monday and then you have abig day at work on Monday,
tuesday, and then you're like,ah, it's Wednesday now.
You're like, ah, got a bigweekend coming up and then all
of a sudden you just didn'treally train that week.
So I find like, like you know,takeaway there is, try to have a
schedule if you can.
That kind of anchors you.
But the morning and thelunchtime people, they have
their schedule, yeah, becauseit's usually tied to their work,
(15:00):
yeah, or to their routine, andit's like no, I go on this day
at this time and that's when Iget it in.
Structure is important, yeah.
And look, part of the reason whyI kind of cut back on the night
training was I just found it,it fucked my sleep.
I couldn't I mean, I'm anobsessive person as well like if
I maybe didn't get the betterof a particular role and
(15:22):
something happened, it wouldjust, I would just ruminate.
I found, even if I wouldstretch after class, I would
just to have just flushed withall the stress hormones and just
jujitsu was in my brain.
So even I come home, have myshower, do whatever before I go
to sleep I'd still be thinkingabout jujitsu and I just didn't
rest.
Well my body, I would get outthe shower I'd still be sweating
(15:43):
like I don't know.
I'm a I, I kind of I'm ahot-blooded human, but I just
the change for me that I foundworked exceptionally well.
And now I understand that thisis not available to everyone
because of life.
Doing a morning or doing alunch and then maybe doing some
weights later in the day, notnecessarily nighttime, but like
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Arvo-ish four, five o'clock,like after work is done, meant
once I was home I was eatingdinner, rest, digest.
I actually think there's a hugevalue in after about 6, 7 pm,
just not doing stressful things,and I understand that for most
people it's very hard to do that.
(16:26):
But what I wanted to put outthere just off the back of this
episode is if you haven't done amorning class, because it seems
like it's too much messingabout to go early, maybe if you
just try it one time you mightbe like oh, hang on that that
was great.
I got a lot from that actually,yeah, like a net, like the
getting up early sucked, butthere was all these other
(16:47):
positives that came from it,yeah, and then maybe that means
it doesn't mean you change yourwhole life, even though you
should, no, um, but you knowthat one change.
You think, oh, maybe one day aweek I might do a morning class.
Maybe a Friday I can start abit later, I can start at nine
instead of eight or something,so that way I can get a morning
class in.
And then you're like, oh well,that actually just changed my
(17:08):
whole day and my wholeexperience.
Because me personally, eventhough I have found night
classes to be awesome in termsof you get the most training
partners, it's usually thehardest training.
The technical information isthe most, in my opinion, the
best.
Man night training.
I would just be really… you paya price, yeah.
(17:29):
There's a cost there, oh yeah.
And so I mean, how about you,Joe, Because you've done a
variety of session times throughthe day.
What is your preferred time now, do you think?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Pros and cons, all balanced.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I'm back, I'm coaching Advantage Monday night
and I'm rolling Yep, and so I'mback in the night thing on
Mondays and it's fun, like it'sgreat, getting to connect with
all the team again.
I haven't seen everyone forages.
People are coming for me, whichis, you know, it's part of the
game.
You see the wins.
He's like yeah, just thinkingback to when Eric Eric tapped me
(18:04):
with a full Nelson, full Nelsonfrom the back, oh, this is big
baseball bat Club arms came inand then my all of a sudden, my
shoulders were just beingseparated from my neck like from
my torso.
It was great, but but yeah, sucha brute bro, but I'm talking
about big frames, right, yeah,but you know so that that's been
really fun and I and and I'vemissed those guys.
(18:24):
But my sleep is shit.
I was up till I think 10 past11 on Monday, cause I 10 o'clock
, I'd finished cleaning thekitchen and I'm like normally
I'd be in bed 20 minutes beforethat.
Yep, that's late and I'm likethere's no chance I'm going to
bed right now.
So I sat down and watched TVfor an hour and that was great.
I accepted the late, the latebedtime, but it meant that when
(18:47):
I went to sleep I could sleepRight.
But that was really suboptimalfor me because I'm usually in
bed between 9, 30 and 10, whichmeans that I'm up between 5 36
yeah so that one nightthroughout my whole kind of
routine, which is not optimal,of course.
Look for me.
These days I really like thepros and cons, right.
Sure, I love the lunchtimesession.
(19:08):
Lunchtime works great for meand that's what I've been doing
at gracie bowman.
Yep, it's awesome.
I got good energy.
I know that I can train hardand then I can have plenty of
time to like I can go back towork afterwards and chill out
and all that.
But it's not good for me when Ihave a lot of work and I'm
trying to be productive, becauseto go and train at sort of
(19:28):
12.30 means that I'm alreadykind of like I've got to leave
the house, you know just about12.
I've got to leave the house,you know just about 12, I start
getting ready like quarter to 12.
And then I'm not really back onthe tools until 3 o'clock.
Yeah, you know when you factorin like okay, 90 minutes of
training plus a shower and shit,and then you're having lunch.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
And it's like that's actually a huge chunk of the
middle of the day, Massive, yeah.
So I do find if I'm on a flowwith getting work done, I'll
just be like nah.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Nah, fair enough.
Now I'm in a bit of a stickyspot.
I'm not so desperate that I'vegot to make the mornings work.
Sure, If that was gettingchronically like if I was not
getting the training in, I wouldlove to see it.
Joey just comes to work andhe's just like a little jittery
and I'm like, oh, what's goingon?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You what's going on?
Man, you look a little bitflustered.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He's like I'm on my third coffee and I'm like, oh,
it's the, it's only nine o'clock, you haven't been meditating
what's going on, right?
Yeah, like tables turned, Icould see myself doing mornings
at a point.
Yeah, you know, um, just to fitit.
But for now, yeah, lunchtime'sgreat.
Yeah, what informs the way Iapproach this whole thing?
Partly I've read it in dr matMatthew Baker's book why we
Sleep.
Matthew Walker, matthew Walker,dr Matthew Walker, I apologize.
Thanks for listening.
Sorry, I fucked up your name.
(20:44):
Here's the thing With circadianrhythms, whatever.
When you look at people who aremore prone to being awake
earlier, being alert earlier,and people who are more prone to
being alert later, people whoare more early risers, early
birds, they do their best mentalwork in the morning.
That's when they are at theirmost efficient.
(21:06):
So that really that's me Fornine hours.
like my partner Ola, she doesher best cognitive work kind of
post 7 pm, right she kind of hasthis second yeah gear where she
goes 7 pm all right on thelaptop, do it and she's good
till like midnight, yeah,whereas me, once I get past
about like 1 pm 2 pm,cognitively I'm terrible.
(21:27):
Physically I can do a lot, Ican still train, I can do a lot,
but I'm not making gooddecisions after that time.
So for me, in terms of how Ibalance my day, I prefer to get
get up fucking ridiculous early,get it out by lunch and then
I'm kind of free, yeah, whetherI'm lifting weights or I'm doing
jiu-jitsu, I can choose how Idictate that and I'm pretty
(21:47):
lucky that my work allows me todo that.
But yeah, like you might beworking a night shift fuck, you
might be working two jobs, soyou're like I'll just do
jiu-jitsu whenever the bloodyhell I can fit it yeah, and
salute to folks like you.
I met a gentleman on the um lastweek.
Who was who?
Was that kind of a guy you knowtwo kids, two jobs, like just
(22:07):
doing it.
I was like, how often you'retraining?
He's like man, sometimes it'sonce a week.
I'm like, yeah, all right, cool.
He's like sometimes I get threeand I'm stoked.
But he was was a tough role,like he's a strong, tough human,
so he was just trying to getthe most out of whatever he
could fit in.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I think the great thing is now that most jiu-jitsu
gyms will offer multiple timeslots.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
So there's more ways to get it in your life.
And different gyms will havedifferent cultures around that,
won't they like?
You know, like I was sayingbefore, like about main morning
crew is like really fuckingsolid, it's tough, yeah.
And you go to another gym andmorning crew is like it's more,
it's a bit more relaxed, it's abit lighter.
Some gyms have that pro sessionright where you've got a bunch
of killers coming in at like 10o'clock.
I remember, you know, gracie,we used to.
(22:48):
They had like the, the blackbelt training which was like 10,
30, you know, a couple days aweek.
You're like fuck, this is areally like tough mat.
So you know, different gyms gotdifferent things going on.
I think you know to your pointearlier about, say, maybe the
shorter classes, like morningcrew, lunch crew.
They often miss out on thatextra time to just kind of
troubleshoot stuff.
(23:09):
Yep, you could easily just putthat in by going like oh, hey,
just put that in by going like,oh, hey, on, uh, on the thursday
or the friday session.
We're just going to keep thatas like a bit of an open mat
kind of workshop thing.
So come in with any problemsyou had from the week and let's
discuss them there.
And you know so, rather than itbeing like an after each
session.
It's like on that session we dothat.
Yeah, the only drawback and Ilove an open mat, I think open
(23:32):
mat is is a beautiful thingpeople just leave.
You know how typically peoplego okay, see, I've got to go,
whatever.
That's cool.
But because there's no actualstructure, people can kind of
come when they want and they cankind of go when they want and
that is the beauty of the thing.
But oftentimes the person youwanted to chat to, or whatever
they might have just had to jet,and then you're like, oh, we
(23:54):
were here, but then, yeah, themoment is is gone, it's true,
whereas with the structuredclass it ends, and if it's a
container it stops yeah and thenwe know that, hey, we've got 10
minutes before coach wants toclean the mats or whatever, and
so that's when we can do thelittle power.
is that a case, you think, forlike having a little bit of a
structure with open mats, beinglike hey, starts here, finishes
(24:15):
here, finishes here, you know?
So it's like you're kind ofletting people know like, don't
come and go as you please.
Yeah, I think there's somethingto that, and what I had seen is
that they would have a class ofsorts.
So I'm not super strict, butafter a certain point it's open
mat and so….
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Right, so they would already do some rolling.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
We're going to do a bit of technique stuff and then
open and then it's up to youcome and go as you please, but
after that time you know thatmaybe I can hang around or I
can't, and I think takingadvantage of that little window
post-training is a good time toget a bit of extra learning in
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Speaker 2 (01:14):
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
Just got inspired like that.
Yeah, just listening to stuffabout um bruce buffer getting a
punch on in the elevator justcommentators their it's quite
interesting.
Oh, wow, it's cool that guy canthrow hands, can he?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Fuck, he's a weapon.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I really like Bruce Buffer.
He's an icon.
Yeah, there's more to him thanit would seem.
I hope no fucking sexualallegations get made against him
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No, the only thing that he's acriminal of is fashion, because
Because his suits are the worst,yeah, but they're unique,
they're gaudy, they're the mostgaudy as fuck, but hey, he's a
star.
Good on him, guys.
What time of the day do youtrain?
(01:50):
What tribe are you?
Are you the morning crew?
Are you a lunchtime person?
You know lunchtime warrior?
Or are you a nighttime crusader?
And we were talking about thisbecause Joe was saying you know,
some people just don't have achoice.
But I think there is pros andcons to different times of the
day and maybe, given theopportunity, training at a
(02:13):
different time of the day mightgive you a different benefit.
Yeah, I want to go first to ourmorning crew, because I believe
that there is a few differentpeople in the morning crew and
typically it's people justtrying to get it in before work
because they have no other timein the morning crew and
typically it's people justtrying to get it in before work
because I have no other time inthe day.
Like they're, like myexperience has been, it's not a
lot of parents, it's not hardroles.
People are coming in.
(02:33):
It's almost like morning yoga.
They're just getting the bloodcirculating.
You know there's actually not alot of learning going on.
Like people are like halfasleep.
There's there's probably onlyone person in there who's
actually really awake andthey're not even the instructor.
They've either punched a bunchof coffee, they've already had
their ice bath, they ran there.
They're like fucking, let's go.
(02:53):
They're probably a white beltand then the rest of the crew is
just using the class to wake up.
And it's actually a fuckingawesome way to start the day.
If you can eat the early start.
The post-morning roll is a goodvibe.
You're starting the day on sucha good vibe, yeah, and I mean,
whether you're trainingjiu-jitsu or doing gym stuff in
(03:14):
the morning, you get thatbenefit.
Through the whole day Justflows on All those endorphins
and that sort of pride pointwhere you're like, fuck, yeah, I
trained today, I got it done, Idid that little struggle.
Yeah, everything's better yourrelationships, your productivity
, it all goes higher.
There's so many memes aboutmorning people mocking
(03:34):
non-morning people like it's got.
It's got like a bunch of.
I think it's like taken from acomedy vampire series and
they're all like wearing cravatsand wigs and kind of 15th
century french shit and andthere's like four of them.
They're all like looking realsnobby and they're like how 6am
crew looks at everybody else whodoesn't train in the morning.
But the truth is like I am thatkind of get up early kind of
(03:55):
guy.
I had found that most people Irolled with in the morning were
maybe slightly older and theyhad jobs.
A lot of parents, a lot ofparents and they just there's no
20 year olds don't need totrain in the morning.
No, I mean, if they can, theycan.
But it was interesting becauseone of the three sessions they
do that day exactly just got toget it in first one checked off.
The only downside, or the majordownside I found from training
(04:20):
in the morning was I didn'tlearn that much.
Right, it was good for gettingthe gears turning over, but even
though the instructor's therethey teach the lesson and I've
taught that many morning classesI found my morning crew, the
retention was not great.
I would show a technique onMonday.
By the time we got to Fridaypeople were still like you know,
(04:41):
even though there wasprogressions and different
things around it, people werenot keeping any of it.
Yeah, right, they got theirjujitsu in, but maybe the
learning wasn't.
Yeah, I would say that the, the, the general energy of a
morning session is a more kindof more sporting.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Oh yeah, if you say, let's get together and like play
a couple rounds.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You know it's like it's that kind of thing, whereas
you know you contrast to anevening thing where it is, it
can be often more competitive,very intense.
Yeah, um, I got it, you know.
Exception, and I've mentionedthem before the guys at baume
that I that I have done a fewmorning sessions with.
They fucking cram a huge amountin.
There's tough roles and whattime is that like six?
oh, there you go yeah okay, yeahit, yeah, it's awful, horrific.
(05:24):
Please describe the horrors.
And it's also like they're alsovery cerebral about it, like,
okay, today we're working onthis and who's been workshopping
that and what problems have wehad?
Okay, let's look at this littledetail in it.
So do you think that's a gymculture thing?
Then, yeah, I think they are abit of an exception, because my
exposure to mornings otherwisehas been a little bit more, you
(05:46):
know, aforementioned, yeah, moregood vibes.
Yeah, yeah, and also there's asocial component, because
sometimes people who work in themorning maybe they own their
own business, so their starttimes make they don't have to
rush out, so maybe, like, whowants to get a coffee after?
You know there could be, therecould be a social component to
it if you're the kind of personwho has the liberty to do that
(06:07):
kind of thing.
Here's another interestingobservation of people that train
in the morning.
Because you know you could, um,I'm sure there's people out
there like, fuck you, we train,I train super hard in the
morning and you know, of coursepeople do, um, I'm sure you do,
but the it's called beingcondescending, but heard of it,
but they but.
But there's an argument thatpeople train, like in the
evening.
(06:28):
Classes are longer, there'smore people there, it's usually
harder sessions.
However, you have control ofthe morning.
If you can train in the morning, your chances of being
consistent over a long period oftime are probably the highest
they can be, definitely, whereasthe evenings we have less
control over because shit comesup during the day.
You've got to stay back at work.
(06:48):
Of course, kid got sick,meetings yeah, like you just had
to do something, couldn't makeit in.
I was planning to go tonight,but I didn't get there.
So, even though we might be, ina very general way, saying yeah
, mornings are sometimes alittle bit easier.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
You do see morning people like get really good
because it's three, like it'severy week, week in, week out
there's very littleinconsistency.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
The thing that makes mornings harder and we've talked
about this is the nutritioncomponent.
You know, it's like not havingfood in your tummy.
The system's not warmed up, youbarely probably drank your
water.
Physically it can be verydemanding depending on how
organized you are.
You know, I have found,intensity wise, my best
intensity, even though I've hadsome really hard night sessions.
(07:30):
My best intensity is generatedkind of mid to late morning or
lunchtime.
Yeah, for me, because you knowthere's water in the system,
food in the system, caffeine inthe system, I'm at my best to
roll as hard as I can.
Yeah, and generally that's onlythe domain of.
You know, maybe this is like afourth slot that people don't
(07:50):
talk about, which is kind of thepros.
They're training at 10 in themorning because they don't do
anything else and that wouldcount as a morning session.
But that's not your 6 am crew,it's a little bit different.
Yeah, it's like a daytimesession, daytime sesh, and
they're beautiful if you can getit.
That's classically the realm ofthe open mat.
Yeah, the 9, 10 am run itthrough to lunch.
It's a good vibe if you can getit.
(08:10):
But if we're talking aboutweekday hustle lunchtimes
Because there's some people outthere.
Maybe they work close to theirgym.
That's the only time they canget it.
Suit goes off, gear goes on,let's bang.
It's usually a pretty shortclass, similar thing to the
morning.
Right, it's like we don't havea lot of time, let's just
fucking get in, get a couplerounds there.
You go, get up.
Yeah, that can be great too,that can be a really good, that
(08:34):
can be a really good um energy,but also it could fuck you up.
Here's how you're a person, aprofessional, and you're like,
yeah, I just want to get somerounds in, I'm not here to fight
to death.
And then you've got some matrat crew who have just been on
there since the morning.
They're like we're trying toget our second training session
in and they're there to bang itout.
(08:55):
And you get kicked in the faceand you break your nose or you
know you get a because it canhappen.
I, that can be problematic.
Right, at the end of the dayit's kind of like, all right, I
guess we're going to go toemergency or whatever.
But middle of the day it's like, oh sorry, boss, can't go
(09:16):
finish that job.
Whatever it might be, I'm inemergency.
I got kicked in the face by a17-year-old.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's like what the fuck?
You're not getting fired, butthat's an inconvenience, subopt,
suboptimal.
I believe that the lunchtimeclass is all about convenience.
That's my take on it.
Yeah, again, I think that.
Yeah, I think that thosesessions, yeah, generally, are
often the domain of, like,that's my only slot, so that's
when I do it.
Yeah, and you know, like, ifyou, um, if you live in the
(09:43):
suburbs and you work in the city, yep, and your gym is in the
city, then it, it kind of makessense that, like, lunchtime is
probably going to be the onlytime you could go there.
You wouldn't go back home andthen drive back to the city,
right, not at all, yeah, butwhat I found actually like
absolute mma in the city, theirlunchtime class pumped.
Like the location was primo forthat, because right in the
(10:04):
central business district,people get confused when I say
cbd.
They're like the oil, thegummies.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I'm like no central business district where all the
buildings are downtown for ourAmerican listeners downtown,
where all the roles I can'tbelieve you hadn't just adopted
downtown since of this you knowoh because of because.
I've seen American podcastersno, unfortunately not.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I'll work on it.
Sorry friends, straight out thejacks.
Just a point there, though.
Um and I really got toreiterate this I've been guilty
of showing up to morning classesand lunchtime classes at random
gyms over the years, thinking,oh, this is going to be chill.
And then you fucking slap handswith someone and they fucking
put it on and you're like whoa,whoa, whoa, it's a lunchtime
(10:47):
class.
What are we doing?
You know, I thought we weretaking it easy.
They're like no cunt, I'mtraining, this is my time, and
you're like, ah, a bit of amisconception, sure you know I
think.
I think that's very important tomention.
And you do also get in a lot ofthose sessions.
You get people that have beenthere.
They've been I don't know whatit is, but they've established,
yeah, they've been there for along time.
They're maybe not trying to,maybe they're at purple bell
(11:09):
brown, they're not trying tolike do the evening hustle and
they're like look, I've settledinto this because it's a bit
more balanced for my lifestyle,but I will still fuck you up, I
will kill you.
Yeah, yeah, and respect to that, respect absolutely.
But, um, what I see as a bit ofa drawback on the um lunchtime
even though there's so many pros, there's less time to work on
(11:31):
your jiu-jitsu, yeah.
So, yes, they do a technique,you practice the technique, you
roll, but then you straight onto the next thing.
I feel the thing that's reallymissing with the lunchtime class
.
Now, maybe, if you get a chanceto hang out, that's cool.
But what I notice is people arelike off the mats in the
showers bang, bang, bang, getthe fuck out.
Yeah, there's no, you don'thave much free time.
There's no afterwards like ohyo, hey, what did you do there?
(11:53):
And I think that there's a hugevalue in jujitsu in the kind of
post-class breakdown or they'rejust just a bit of workshopping,
post-training chat,troubleshooting.
There's insight there, yeah,and that is totally missed, like
I.
I feel at least from myexperience and I've trained at a
lot of different gyms that justthat 10 minutes after class
where someone could be like, hey, man, can you show me this?
Or you could be like, hey, whatdid you do there that can
(12:16):
unlock so much of your knowledgeor your thinking about
jiu-jitsu, whereas if you justwham bam, thank you, ma'am, and
you're out, you miss it.
And so I think that, eventhough there may be people out
there who are like I'm justtrying to get it in respect, you
may be missing out to a certainextent yeah yeah, I'd agree.
But then we, we turn to thebrotherhood of the night, uh,
(12:40):
sisterhood also.
Night training is justgenerally where everyone, most
people, can get it right.
You'd say night classes are thebiggest generally generally
speaking.
Yeah, generally the biggest.
Yeah, busy, generally speaking,yeah, generally the biggest.
Yeah, busy, often longer yes,like your night class might be
the 90-minute thing, whereasmaybe in the mornings and
lunchtime is an hour and peoplecan often hang around for a
(13:02):
little bit.
They can Do that thing.
Some people do the double classOof, you know, like that's
really.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I used to do that a lot like stick around for two
and a half hours.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
So, yeah, it lends itself to a different energy.
Definitely, like you weresaying, joe, the thing which can
fuck up the consistency whichis what we need is your day
blowing out.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Like you get a flat tire or your kid punches another
kid at preschool and you'relike, oh, I'm going to have to
go in here and defend him.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, Good on you son , that was him.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
yeah, good on your son, that was a great straight
right.
I love that.
No, you can't say that in frontof the kindy kids, um, but you
know it's true and I knew thisof my clients, my evening
clients, like relevant to beinga personal trainer there was
nearly always one sessioncancelled in the week yeah,
because of life.
Yeah, work, drinks or some shit,well, even just okay, no, I had
to go do something.
Yeah, and it just means I justcan't be there.
And you're like, oh god, that's, it's a punish, because if
(13:56):
you're only training twice orthree times a week, that's a
huge, huge miss.
Yeah, even though there's somuch going on when you get there
, everyone's there, thetechniques there, the rolling,
you know the whole energy of thenight training.
I believe it's easier forpeople to skip a night class.
That's that's my take on it.
Yeah, for sure, for sure, waymore stuff gets in the way.
(14:16):
There's I.
When I used to train evenings alot, I would never go into the
week with a pre-thought outschedule.
Right, it wasn't like, yep, I'mdoing monday, wednesday,
thursday, or it was just Itrained today, I'll probably be
back tomorrow, come.
Tomorrow, probably come thenext day.
But it gets very easy whenyou're in that loop to maybe you
(14:37):
miss Monday and then you have abig day at work on Monday,
tuesday, and then you're like,ah, it's Wednesday now.
You're like, ah, got a bigweekend coming up and then all
of a sudden you just didn'treally train that week.
So I find like, like you know,takeaway there is, try to have a
schedule if you can.
That kind of anchors you.
But the morning and thelunchtime people, they have
their schedule, yeah, becauseit's usually tied to their work,
(15:00):
yeah, or to their routine, andit's like no, I go on this day
at this time and that's when Iget it in.
Structure is important, yeah.
And look, part of the reason whyI kind of cut back on the night
training was I just found it,it fucked my sleep.
I couldn't I mean, I'm anobsessive person as well like if
I maybe didn't get the betterof a particular role and
(15:22):
something happened, it wouldjust, I would just ruminate.
I found, even if I wouldstretch after class, I would
just to have just flushed withall the stress hormones and just
jujitsu was in my brain.
So even I come home, have myshower, do whatever before I go
to sleep I'd still be thinkingabout jujitsu and I just didn't
rest.
Well my body, I would get outthe shower I'd still be sweating
(15:43):
like I don't know.
I'm a I, I kind of I'm ahot-blooded human, but I just
the change for me that I foundworked exceptionally well.
And now I understand that thisis not available to everyone
because of life.
Doing a morning or doing alunch and then maybe doing some
weights later in the day, notnecessarily nighttime, but like
(16:05):
Arvo-ish four, five o'clock,like after work is done, meant
once I was home I was eatingdinner, rest, digest.
I actually think there's a hugevalue in after about 6, 7 pm,
just not doing stressful things,and I understand that for most
people it's very hard to do that.
(16:26):
But what I wanted to put outthere just off the back of this
episode is if you haven't done amorning class, because it seems
like it's too much messingabout to go early, maybe if you
just try it one time you mightbe like oh, hang on that that
was great.
I got a lot from that actually,yeah, like a net, like the
getting up early sucked, butthere was all these other
(16:47):
positives that came from it,yeah, and then maybe that means
it doesn't mean you change yourwhole life, even though you
should, no, um, but you knowthat one change.
You think, oh, maybe one day aweek I might do a morning class.
Maybe a Friday I can start abit later, I can start at nine
instead of eight or something,so that way I can get a morning
class in.
And then you're like, oh well,that actually just changed my
(17:08):
whole day and my wholeexperience.
Because me personally, eventhough I have found night
classes to be awesome in termsof you get the most training
partners, it's usually thehardest training.
The technical information isthe most, in my opinion, the
best.
Man night training.
I would just be really… you paya price, yeah.
(17:29):
There's a cost there, oh yeah.
And so I mean, how about you,Joe, Because you've done a
variety of session times throughthe day.
What is your preferred time now, do you think?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Pros and cons, all balanced.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I'm back, I'm coaching Advantage Monday night
and I'm rolling Yep, and so I'mback in the night thing on
Mondays and it's fun, like it'sgreat, getting to connect with
all the team again.
I haven't seen everyone forages.
People are coming for me, whichis, you know, it's part of the
game.
You see the wins.
He's like yeah, just thinkingback to when Eric Eric tapped me
(18:04):
with a full Nelson, full Nelsonfrom the back, oh, this is big
baseball bat Club arms came inand then my all of a sudden, my
shoulders were just beingseparated from my neck like from
my torso.
It was great, but but yeah, sucha brute bro, but I'm talking
about big frames, right, yeah,but you know so that that's been
really fun and I and and I'vemissed those guys.
(18:24):
But my sleep is shit.
I was up till I think 10 past11 on Monday, cause I 10 o'clock
, I'd finished cleaning thekitchen and I'm like normally
I'd be in bed 20 minutes beforethat.
Yep, that's late and I'm likethere's no chance I'm going to
bed right now.
So I sat down and watched TVfor an hour and that was great.
I accepted the late, the latebedtime, but it meant that when
(18:47):
I went to sleep I could sleepRight.
But that was really suboptimalfor me because I'm usually in
bed between 9, 30 and 10, whichmeans that I'm up between 5 36
yeah so that one nightthroughout my whole kind of
routine, which is not optimal,of course.
Look for me.
These days I really like thepros and cons, right.
Sure, I love the lunchtimesession.
(19:08):
Lunchtime works great for meand that's what I've been doing
at gracie bowman.
Yep, it's awesome.
I got good energy.
I know that I can train hardand then I can have plenty of
time to like I can go back towork afterwards and chill out
and all that.
But it's not good for me when Ihave a lot of work and I'm
trying to be productive, becauseto go and train at sort of
(19:28):
12.30 means that I'm alreadykind of like I've got to leave
the house, you know just about12.
I've got to leave the house,you know just about 12, I start
getting ready like quarter to 12.
And then I'm not really back onthe tools until 3 o'clock.
Yeah, you know when you factorin like okay, 90 minutes of
training plus a shower and shit,and then you're having lunch.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
And it's like that's actually a huge chunk of the
middle of the day, Massive, yeah.
So I do find if I'm on a flowwith getting work done, I'll
just be like nah.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Nah, fair enough.
Now I'm in a bit of a stickyspot.
I'm not so desperate that I'vegot to make the mornings work.
Sure, If that was gettingchronically like if I was not
getting the training in, I wouldlove to see it.
Joey just comes to work andhe's just like a little jittery
and I'm like, oh, what's goingon?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You what's going on?
Man, you look a little bitflustered.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He's like I'm on my third coffee and I'm like, oh,
it's the, it's only nine o'clock, you haven't been meditating
what's going on, right?
Yeah, like tables turned, Icould see myself doing mornings
at a point.
Yeah, you know, um, just to fitit.
But for now, yeah, lunchtime'sgreat.
Yeah, what informs the way Iapproach this whole thing?
Partly I've read it in dr matMatthew Baker's book why we
Sleep.
Matthew Walker, matthew Walker,dr Matthew Walker, I apologize.
Thanks for listening.
Sorry, I fucked up your name.
(20:44):
Here's the thing With circadianrhythms, whatever.
When you look at people who aremore prone to being awake
earlier, being alert earlier,and people who are more prone to
being alert later, people whoare more early risers, early
birds, they do their best mentalwork in the morning.
That's when they are at theirmost efficient.
(21:06):
So that really that's me Fornine hours.
like my partner Ola, she doesher best cognitive work kind of
post 7 pm, right she kind of hasthis second yeah gear where she
goes 7 pm all right on thelaptop, do it and she's good
till like midnight, yeah,whereas me, once I get past
about like 1 pm 2 pm,cognitively I'm terrible.
(21:27):
Physically I can do a lot, Ican still train, I can do a lot,
but I'm not making gooddecisions after that time.
So for me, in terms of how Ibalance my day, I prefer to get
get up fucking ridiculous early,get it out by lunch and then
I'm kind of free, yeah, whetherI'm lifting weights or I'm doing
jiu-jitsu, I can choose how Idictate that and I'm pretty
(21:47):
lucky that my work allows me todo that.
But yeah, like you might beworking a night shift fuck, you
might be working two jobs, soyou're like I'll just do
jiu-jitsu whenever the bloodyhell I can fit it yeah, and
salute to folks like you.
I met a gentleman on the um lastweek.
Who was who?
Was that kind of a guy you knowtwo kids, two jobs, like just
(22:07):
doing it.
I was like, how often you'retraining?
He's like man, sometimes it'sonce a week.
I'm like, yeah, all right, cool.
He's like sometimes I get threeand I'm stoked.
But he was was a tough role,like he's a strong, tough human,
so he was just trying to getthe most out of whatever he
could fit in.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I think the great thing is now that most jiu-jitsu
gyms will offer multiple timeslots.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
So there's more ways to get it in your life.
And different gyms will havedifferent cultures around that,
won't they like?
You know, like I was sayingbefore, like about main morning
crew is like really fuckingsolid, it's tough, yeah.
And you go to another gym andmorning crew is like it's more,
it's a bit more relaxed, it's abit lighter.
Some gyms have that pro sessionright where you've got a bunch
of killers coming in at like 10o'clock.
I remember, you know, gracie,we used to.
(22:48):
They had like the, the blackbelt training which was like 10,
30, you know, a couple days aweek.
You're like fuck, this is areally like tough mat.
So you know, different gyms gotdifferent things going on.
I think you know to your pointearlier about, say, maybe the
shorter classes, like morningcrew, lunch crew.
They often miss out on thatextra time to just kind of
troubleshoot stuff.
(23:09):
Yep, you could easily just putthat in by going like oh, hey,
just put that in by going like,oh, hey, on, uh, on the thursday
or the friday session.
We're just going to keep thatas like a bit of an open mat
kind of workshop thing.
So come in with any problemsyou had from the week and let's
discuss them there.
And you know so, rather than itbeing like an after each
session.
It's like on that session we dothat.
Yeah, the only drawback and Ilove an open mat, I think open
(23:32):
mat is is a beautiful thingpeople just leave.
You know how typically peoplego okay, see, I've got to go,
whatever.
That's cool.
But because there's no actualstructure, people can kind of
come when they want and they cankind of go when they want and
that is the beauty of the thing.
But oftentimes the person youwanted to chat to, or whatever
they might have just had to jet,and then you're like, oh, we
(23:54):
were here, but then, yeah, themoment is is gone, it's true,
whereas with the structuredclass it ends, and if it's a
container it stops yeah and thenwe know that, hey, we've got 10
minutes before coach wants toclean the mats or whatever, and
so that's when we can do thelittle power.
is that a case, you think, forlike having a little bit of a
structure with open mats, beinglike hey, starts here, finishes
(24:15):
here, finishes here, you know?
So it's like you're kind ofletting people know like, don't
come and go as you please.
Yeah, I think there's somethingto that, and what I had seen is
that they would have a class ofsorts.
So I'm not super strict, butafter a certain point it's open
mat and so….
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Right, so they would already do some rolling.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
We're going to do a bit of technique stuff and then
open and then it's up to youcome and go as you please, but
after that time you know thatmaybe I can hang around or I
can't, and I think takingadvantage of that little window
post-training is a good time toget a bit of extra learning in
no matter what time of dayyou're doing it, I like it.
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